Tuesday Rockpile: Roster Purge Continued With Ryan Spilborghs Non-Tendered
by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 13, 2011 8:12 AM MST
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No one really knows what the Rockies' Opening Day roster will look like - we just know it will be a lot different than it used to. It isn't apparent what Dan O'Dowd's ultimate plan is, but it clearly transpires in two acts. Act One: make like Kevin Towers and eliminate as much dead weight on the roster as possible. Act Two: acquire talent.
We are essentially at intermission, and it is too late to rewrite Act One. O'Dowd has leapt off the diving board and has peaked his dive - now we must wait to see if his descent is a belly-flop or an artfully constructed entry into the 2012 season with confidence. While Act Two's successful completion is critical to fielding a contending team, Act One will play a large part as well.
As shown to the right, the Rockies have disposed of several players who either were paid a lot to be mediocre at best, or were outright terrible. Five players have been traded or non-tendered this off-season. Seven more have been traded, released, or allowed to leave in free agency since last Opening Day. Those 12 players took up almost $35million in payroll space (42% of the 2011 payroll) and delivered a total of -0.8 fWAR.
So Act One of Dan O'Dowd's plan is clear. Cut the fat. Eliminate those players weighing down payroll and winning percentages. It doesn't mean O'Dowd now has $35million to play with, obviously. Raises to Tulo, Cargo, Fowler, Smith, Belisle etc. eat up a good chunk, but there is some money. It is very important for O'Dowd to use that newfound flexibility wisely, or jumping off the diving board would have been a bad idea in the first place.
The Rockies' winter thus far has created financial flexibility and options. The next step is to maximize them.
I'll get more into what is on the table on that front in a bit, but notably, the Rockies non-tendered Ryan Spilborghs and Cole Garner last night. With all the frustration hurtled at Aaron Cook, Felipe Paulino, Huston Street and Ty Wigginton, no one seemed to notice that Ryan Spilborghs was really hurting the team. In fact, Spilborghs ranked 663rd out of 670 MLB players in fWAR in 2011 with -1.1. That was better only than Chone Figgins, Orlando Cabrera, Raul Ibanez, Tsuyoshi Nishioka, Bill Hall, Felix Pie and Adam Dunn.
We all love Ryan Spilborghs. He had some great moments as a Rockie. While most came off the field, he had his moments on the field. He had four career 2-home-run games. He had a .384 wOBA in 2008. But Ryan Spilborghs has declined, hard. We as fans need to be either committed to winning without him or losing with him - sadly, his play has dicatated no other options. The angst from fans at losing such a personality is understandable, but if we want to see the playoffs, Spilborghs needed to at least be a replacement player to get a free ride as a clubhouse novelty item, and he was nowhere close.
Spilborghs may return to Colorado, though the Phillies are interested, forever and ever. If he does return, it will be at a much lower salary, even a minor league contract. I don't feel too bad for Spilly. He played parts of seven seasons in Colorado, made over $4million and contributed 2.6 fWAR. He's done fine for himself. I do, however, feel bad for Cole Garner.
Drafted in the 26th round in 2003, Garner has been a part of the Rockies' organization for almost nine years. He fought through struggles with switch hitting, nagging injuries and generally being forgotten on the farm. He persisted after poor years and hit continually at upper levels. He re-signed with Colorado after the 2009 season despite earning minor league free agency, then wasn't awarded any major league time in 2010, although Colorado needed an outfielder, and his stats were the best in the Springs. He got nine big league at-bats in 2011, but he only played in 46 games in the minors due to injury. He just wasn't on the Rockies' radar, but by all accounts, he was one of the most quality young men in in the organization and worked hard for years to get to this point. I wish him luck breaking through with another organization, and with his health.
Michael Cuddyer Watch
Ken Rosenthal reported the Rockies were pushing hard for Cuddyer yesterday.
Later in the day, Jim Bowden reported the Rockies have not made an offer for Cuddyer.
Lindsay Guentzel tweeted that the Twins are holding firm at a 3-year $26million contract for Cuddyer and will not increase their offer. For the Rockies to lure Cuddyer away from Minnesota, it would seem to take at least $2-3million more, at which point, Cuddyer is looking less like a good buy. If Minnesota gets Cuddyer, the Rockies could then be competing against the Indians for Josh Willingham.
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National League Non-Tenders: MLB Rumors - MLBTradeRumors.com Among the other non-tenders last night was Jeff Keppinger from the Giants. He isn't great defensively and doesn't have much power, but he fits the second base hole, experience and contact skills the Rockies seem to be stressing this offseason.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 13, 2011 8:20 AM MST reply actions
step 3 ???
Step 4: Profit!
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by Rox R Champs on Dec 13, 2011 8:21 AM MST via iPhone app reply actions
JFK's Quote of the Day:
“I’d rather have a Gold Glove (Award) than a Silver Slugger (Award). Defense is so much more of a team game and one of my goals this year was to make fewer than twenty-five errors.” ~Alex Rodriguez
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CounterPoint
“Mussina doesn’t get hammered at all. He’s making a boatload of money. Giambi’s making ($20.4 million), which is fine and dandy, but it seems those guys get a pass. When people write (bad things) about me, I don’t know if it’s (because) I’m good-looking, I’m biracial, I make the most money, I play on the most popular team…” – Sept. 25, 2006 issue of Sports Illustrated
Ummm … if by “biracial” A-Rod’ means his parents are both Dominican.
Wow....
It couldn’t be because he’s a [number irrelevant] “tool” player?
It's just like that quote in the Social Network
“…you’re going to go through life thinking that people don’t like you because you’re a nerd (insert “rich baseball player”). And I want you to know, from the bottom of my heart, that that won’t be true. It’ll be because you’re an asshole."
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 9:22 AM MST up reply actions
I always read your quotes
in JFK’s voice…
Well at least in Mayor Quimby’s voice.
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The rest of the dead weight
Should we expect that if they do not perform this year that Gomez, Herrera, Nelson and Young, Hoffman, etc. are gone off the roster next season?
TGFPR!!
I'm not even sure they'll make the 25-man, any of them
Possibky Herrera
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 13, 2011 8:34 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Wouldn't be shocked
If I recall correctly, Nelson and Young are out of options, while Gomez/Hoffman/Herrera have one.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 13, 2011 8:35 AM MST up reply actions
I heard Cuddyer back to Twins..
Per SI.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 13, 2011 8:33 AM MST via mobile reply actions
I'm not seeing that anywhere on Twitter
Probably still a fluid situation.
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The headline on the SI story: “Cuddyer choosing Twins over Rockies?”
That question mark is kind of significant, there.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
Yeah.
My apologies guys.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 13, 2011 8:41 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah I'm sorry about that.
It got RT’d by someone, and then I jumped the gun a bit. The article I was referring to just said that Cuddyer is ‘leaning towards Minn’.
Wow, heyman’s last tweet
#rockies are making a push for carlos beltran. they also made an offer to cuddyer. want 1 or the other.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 13, 2011 8:40 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
hope they want 1 more than the other
arenado: it's Rockie for future
I for one ...
Hope this happens. I have this uneasy feeling we sign Cuddyer for too much $$, and would love to be wrong about that.
John Rocker
now there’s a name I haven’t heard in a while.
Also of note in the Slowey avoids arb. article: Jason Grilli avoids arbitration with the Pirates (hadn’t realized he was still around although he did get into 28 games with Pitt last year)
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#rockies are making a push for carlos beltran. they also made an offer to cuddyer. want 1 or the other.
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Yeah, but can we count on even 120 games from him? The fact that ‘Beltran or Cuddyer?’ is even a choice is kind of a testament to Beltran’s deteriorating health. If Beltran had knees left it’d be a slam dunk.
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then again, Beltran wouldn't be a 3 year deal
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I don't even know why I'd ever say I want him.
But yes, I’ll take Beltran in a 1 year deal, over Cuddyer almost ever.
I'll take him in a 2 year deal
considering his switch hitting ability above league average from both sides of the plate
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 13, 2011 8:45 AM MST up reply actions
look at this way
Remember yesterday, when I said I’m not really excited about Cuddyer but the front office has to sign somebody with that freed up money for public interest?
Yeah, Beltran is a much better move in that specific direction.
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Ty Wigginton can hit?
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by jrockies on Dec 13, 2011 8:47 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
142 games in 2011
yeah he had injuries 2009-10, but has been over 140 Games every other season, and I think his health last year bodes well.
Switch hitter who rakes at both sides of the plate
If he’s healthy, he’s going to absolutely wear out Coors Field.
I’ll take that flier.
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quick
someone put together a mid-season lineup with Beltran and Arenado so I can drool
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1. Beltran
2. Arenado
3. Beltran
4. Arenado
5. Beltran
6. Arenado
7. Beltran
8. Hernandez
by roxintober on Dec 13, 2011 8:56 AM MST up reply actions 7 recs
that's funny
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JFK
Arenado doesn’t play 2nd base
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 13, 2011 8:58 AM MST up reply actions 2 recs
And why isn't Hernandez hitting cleanup?
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 9:25 AM MST up reply actions
nice
1. Fowler
2. 2nd Baseman (rulz R rulz)
3. CarGo
4. Tulo
5. Beltran
6. Helton
7. 3rd baseman
8. Hernandez.
by Traindogger on Dec 13, 2011 8:59 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
1. Fowler
2. Helton
3. Cargo
4. Tulo
5. Beltran
6. Hernandez
7. Arenado
8. Scutaro
Please?
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droooooooolll
"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
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JFK
More yummy
But I can’t imagine Scutaro + Beltran.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 13, 2011 9:03 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
It would take some creative dealings by Dan
I’m not sure both would fit whatever budget we have, so Scutero would require Boston to eat a bit of salary, which kind of defeats the purpose on them trading him.
Helton's going to play 2B after all these years?
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by glaucophane on Dec 13, 2011 9:03 AM MST up reply actions 5 recs
Hey, if Jose Morales can do it....
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by Junction Rox on Dec 13, 2011 12:59 PM MST up reply actions
We're talking if's and but's here
but I like Scutaro in the 2 hole and not just because he has to either, the 2B thing.
I think his best years in Toronto were when he was in the top of the order. Then he went to Boston where he was relegated to the 8 and 9 and he was less productive.
by MileHighHawkeye on Dec 13, 2011 9:55 AM MST up reply actions
I would bat Arenado 5th
68 today, 67 tomorrow is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training.
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Nahhhhh.
He’s better there in the 7th spot.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 13, 2011 2:14 PM MST up reply actions
bat the rookie ahead of carlos freaking beltran?
no way
arenado: it's Rockie for future
I'm aroused
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 13, 2011 9:20 AM MST up reply actions
Remember - after 4 hours you need to call your Doctor...
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by Junction Rox on Dec 13, 2011 12:59 PM MST up reply actions
Depends on the size of the bat
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by SDcat09 on Dec 13, 2011 1:47 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
yummy.
Sign Keppinger, insert him at 2B.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 13, 2011 9:02 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
enjoy it for like 3 minutes, before everybody on here rips beltran into shreds and everybody decides its risky, and hes a health concern, and he has some +or- number that translates not hitting curveballs well on odd numbered days
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 13, 2011 8:57 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
It’s a risk move. I love it.
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Carlos Beltran is really good. Michael Cuddyer is okay. Why would one team want one or the other? You want Beltran, Colorado.
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by Muzia on Dec 13, 2011 9:00 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Please
"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
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JFK
He still feels like a Boston move to me, but If we can get him first I will love that
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 13, 2011 9:01 AM MST up reply actions
oh, dave
arenado: it's Rockie for future
Well, he's right
/not that I think you disagree with him
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he's just...
a unique writer.
arenado: it's Rockie for future
Beltran had a very sneaky 4.7 fWAR last season
His knees can’t be that bad right?
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 13, 2011 9:16 AM MST up reply actions
and missed less games than either Cargo or Tulo
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 13, 2011 9:25 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
actually, Tulo played one more game than CB
But Beltran’s 142 games would’ve been 3rd on our team last year.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 13, 2011 9:29 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
And his 598 PA's would have been second only to Tulo's 606
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 13, 2011 9:51 AM MST up reply actions
.910 OPS last year playing at Citi and AT&T
He might not be all that far from 1.000 if he puts out the same production again playing at Coors
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 13, 2011 9:18 AM MST up reply actions
And remember
there was that one game last year at Coors that I’d rather not remember him hitting three out.
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Ugh I remember that game.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 13, 2011 2:14 PM MST up reply actions
Sure its risky and bold and what not, but I like risky moves because NOT ALL RISKS end up as BAD RISKS
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 13, 2011 8:43 AM MST up reply actions
Heyman update
#rockies goal is to sign either beltran or cuddyer. they offered cuddyer more than the $25M for 3 the #twins bid
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 13, 2011 8:47 AM MST up reply actions
I thought we hadn't officially submitted an offer...
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according to him we have…who knows
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 13, 2011 8:48 AM MST up reply actions
Rosenthal Follow Up
Sources: #Rockies on Beltran, as first reported by @JonHeymanCBS. Likely would require shorter term than Cuddyer, who wants 3-4 years. #MLB
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 13, 2011 8:50 AM MST up reply actions
Thats good
I can see two years with an option thrown on at the end. My guess, two years 22 million is what he will end up receiving.
I’ll give him 2 years 24 mil if we can get it done right now
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 13, 2011 9:06 AM MST up reply actions
Say we give Beltran 2/24 and sign Keppinger for around 2.75mil.
Would everyone be okay with going into 2012 with the rest of the team as is?
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Fowler
Keppinger
CarGo
Tulo
Helton
Beltran
Smith
Hernandez
LeMahieu
I think I could dig it.
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I don’t know how Smith got in there. Oops.
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I thought maybe DJ was going into the rotation...
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by Junction Rox on Dec 13, 2011 1:02 PM MST up reply actions
Lineup wise
Yes. I would still prefer a Scutero or Prado type at 2nd. But, I could live with it. We would still need to move Smith, probably for another starter. And I still think we need to pickup one more reliever.
I hadn't thought
of Smith for Starter trade if this were to happen. I like it even more with that possibility
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We wouldn't quite get that rotation stability we all want
But I could see a Smith for Volquez type move.
ACQUIRE ALL ARMS
someone’s bound to work out
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ON WITH THE ARMS RACE
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 13, 2011 9:35 AM MST up reply actions
I wouldn't mind
another pitcher but if that ate all our payroll I don’t think we get a good innings eater for $2.75 (I hope I’m wrong).
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I'd be as excited as I was about this team for a long time
But I’d still want to so more without damaging our 2013 and beyond chances.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 13, 2011 9:32 AM MST up reply actions
Although with most of the $ used up I'm not sure how we would do that yet.
I’d have to look closer after the details are sorted out
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 13, 2011 9:32 AM MST up reply actions
Signing those FA
wouldn’t hurt 2013 and beyond by much. We’re definitely not trading those years and prospects for anything
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I would like those two moves
But the bullpen will be on fumes by July because the biggest hole (starting pitcher innings) really hasn’t been substantially addressed.
by Northsider1964 on Dec 13, 2011 9:42 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes as to position players for sure
not so much as to the pitching staff. Need another guy still.
If this is all it's going to take to sign him (I thought it would take more)
Then I don’t know what the hell teams are waiting for.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 13, 2011 9:30 AM MST up reply actions
whoa, you mean an impact bat that doesn’t suck at defense that wouldn’t require anything beyond 2 years with an option?
I’m down. so down.
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I am in love with this idea
of course Beltran could miss some games with injury. I would bank on it going in. But he could more than make up for it with production.
CarGo/Dex/ Beltran works great for me, although I would definitely want nobody less than Blackmon as the 4th OF, and a real 5th OF option available as well. I would expect the 4th OF to get at least one string of extended playing time, and would like to have a good 5th OF (read: NOT EY2) who can fill in for guys if Beltran (or also possibly CarGo) is out for a while.
But yes, please, make this happen…
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by Junction Rox on Dec 13, 2011 1:21 PM MST up reply actions
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Jon Heyman
#rockies are making a push for carlos beltran. they also made an offer to cuddyer. want 1 or the other.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 13, 2011 8:41 AM MST reply actions
#(&^)T(&EW)(%U#)(^&@)(#*
Okay, that’s kinda cool.
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I'm the first who called him CarBelt...
You are my witness.
I'm trying to limit
my expectations by reminding myself that it is a rumor, but man what a good rumor
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JFK
Do you know what would really be awesome about it?
The Giants gave up Zack Wheeler for two months of him only to see him play the next season for a division rival. I think the mental torture of that might be my favorite part of this idea.
by Rox Girl on Dec 13, 2011 9:34 AM MST up reply actions 2 recs
5 McCovey Cove Splashes in 2012 for Beltran if he plays for the Rockies
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 13, 2011 9:37 AM MST up reply actions
an MCC sampling at this rumor
If the Rockies sign Carlos Beltran, Giants management is not going to read my comments for the next few months.
LOL us
/facepalm
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by Muzia on Dec 13, 2011 9:37 AM MST up reply actions 4 recs
awesome
arenado: it's Rockie for future
This is reason enough to make the deal.
"Surgeons have determined that doing the wave will, yes, will cause tears to the suprapinatus muscle and the infraspinatus muscle from the throwing of an individual's arms rapidly into the air. In addition, any children doing the wave will be sold to the circus. Do NOT do the wave in the ballpark. Doing the wave is safe at pro football games and Miley Cyrus concerts.
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Great. This is green
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Pedro Ciriaco was non-tendered.
Rox would be stupid to not try and get him on a minor league deal, IMO.
You know you're a Rockies fan when you hear that name
and think you mean Juan Ciriaco
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"Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est"
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 13, 2011 8:44 AM MST up reply actions
What does the future hold for sir Manuel Corpas?
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Doesn't mean he can't ask...
I don’t think its a lot left for him. He needs to be healthy and get some control back but neither seems like something I would bet on.
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JFK
yeah, kinda what I figured. Tough guy def had/has some talent
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 13, 2011 8:44 AM MST up reply actions
well yeah but is he gonna play somewhere? Is he healthy?
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 13, 2011 8:44 AM MST up reply actions
I believe Texas signed him last year
with the knowledge he’d be useless until 2012
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 13, 2011 8:44 AM MST up reply actions
Which is why we let him go
and still had his contract to deal with (glad it’s gone too now)
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JFK
oh interesting
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 13, 2011 8:46 AM MST up reply actions
According to B-R
they gave him up on November 2, 2011. Now a free agent
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JFK
I wanna have a CarBelt!
It could be key to the Rockies’ motor running properly in 2012!
I wanna be a FanBelt!
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Junction Rox on Dec 13, 2011 1:22 PM MST up reply actions
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I think I have that card
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JFK
I once met Beltran...
In a Milwaukee hotel where I was on business. Saw him and a couple other players in the lobby and walked up to him. He smiled, reached out to shake my hand and said “Hi, I’m Carlos Beltran.”. We then talked baseball for maybe a half hour. He was very nice. This was about 10 years ago. I told him I hope he plays for the Rockies some day. He just smiled when pondering the thought.
A decade later, it might finally come to pass.
by GoRoxGo on Dec 13, 2011 9:12 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
We're not giving you a commission if he signs...
if that’s what you’re hinting at… :-)
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by Junction Rox on Dec 13, 2011 1:23 PM MST up reply actions
Heres a question
Has Beltrans fielding slipped so far that he is a worse fielder than even Cuddyer at this point? I’m also assuming that we’re going to stick him in left field with we end up with him, with Cargo in right… does that make the most sense?
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I <3 Johnson
He doesn't have the best range anymore, but still has a great arm. I'd stick him in RF
Cargo LF
Dex CF
Beltran RF
Blackmon OF
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I would put in RF as well
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 13, 2011 9:28 AM MST up reply actions
I don't think it has gone that far.
But, I haven’t payed attention to either in the field, so I can’t say for certain, I will say that it’s not an asset for either player now.
i wouldn't stick him in left
right is easier in coors, isn’t it, thanks to the deep gap in left?
arenado: it's Rockie for future
This makes sense
Although I am loathe to take CarGo out of right… is it just me or does he just look more comfortable there than in LF?
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by SurfaceThought on Dec 13, 2011 9:19 AM MST up reply actions
Well, theres our 2B solution!
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by SurfaceThought on Dec 13, 2011 9:20 AM MST up reply actions
But, he can't do this if he is at 2nd.
http://colorado.rockies.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=12460001
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=18376239
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He makes it all look easy
I don’t think it matters where he plays as long as he plays (my favorite thing about him)
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What field contains the fewest walls?
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Polo grounds
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Center Field, Polo Grounds
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by SurfaceThought on Dec 13, 2011 9:21 AM MST up reply actions
baker bowl
arenado: it's Rockie for future
KFC Famous Bowl™
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by Muzia on Dec 13, 2011 9:55 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Thomas Field
It contains just a very low ceiling.
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 13, 2011 9:54 AM MST up reply actions 5 recs
Field Of Dreams...
Only contains green corn stalks and a Pepsi machine ;-)
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"Boys, baseball is a game where you gotta have fun. You do that by winning."
Dave Bristol
Will the good 2012 ever get here?
by Roxman on Dec 13, 2011 10:36 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
His range and speed have decreased
but he still gets excellent jumps on the ball and has a good arm. I could have him in RF, especially with Gonzalez in left at Coors
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This
As much credit as he got for his range in his prime, his jumps were always just as good. So even though his range is all but shot, he’s still going to be far from terrible because of his ability to read balls off the bat.
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 13, 2011 9:36 AM MST up reply actions
I'd guess a slightly below average defender now
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 13, 2011 9:37 AM MST up reply actions
act 2
I think Act 2 will take this off season as well as the the next off season. With the rotation and outfield and infield all needing work they’re not going to get it all this winter.
*Plugs ears*
NANANANANANANANANANA WHAT!? I CAN’T HEAR YOU
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by SurfaceThought on Dec 13, 2011 9:20 AM MST up reply actions
Carlos Beltran
needs to be a rocky. that is all.
Carlos Beltran has played in 140+ games in 7 of his past 9 years, including 142 last year. 81 in 2009, 64 in 2010
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 13, 2011 9:23 AM MST via mobile reply actions
I like the Beltran idea
Having had microfracture surgery myself, I think the more serious decline in his mobility is still a couple of years away. When that decline comes it will come hard, but he should still have a couple of big seasons in those legs.
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8 Week Old Puppy- Named_________ CarGo
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8 Week Old Puppy- Named_________CarGo
8 Week Old Puppy- Named———————→CarGo
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 13, 2011 9:30 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Stella says Merry Christmas
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by hotdoglady on Dec 13, 2011 9:37 AM MST up reply actions 4 recs
why yes.
yes she is.
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so glad to see Stella...l was wonderlng about her durlng your move.:)
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Yup she stayed with me
and is loving living with my parents and their westy.
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by hotdoglady on Dec 13, 2011 9:48 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
my first dog was a westy
She was a trooper. Got run over by a horsewagon while pregnant a couple weeks before successfully giving birth to a healthy rottweiler mutt litter. Died last year.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 13, 2011 9:52 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
I thought Stella was Jewish?
Filling up your senses like a night in the forest since 1992.
by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 13, 2011 11:37 AM MST up reply actions
She is 1/16th Jewish.
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No dog this pretty can be real :)
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She is freaking adorable.
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I was thinking exactly this
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She is very pretty..
also probably helps that I know how to use a camera…
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CarGo
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 13, 2011 10:05 AM MST up reply actions 6 recs
Awww
What a cutie!
The off-season sucks.
That is all.
by DAWNMARIE01 on Dec 13, 2011 10:08 AM MST up reply actions
He had his Broncos thing on for the Game on Sunday
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 13, 2011 10:15 AM MST up reply actions
Does he have a Rockies sweater yet?
The off-season sucks.
That is all.
by DAWNMARIE01 on Dec 13, 2011 10:16 AM MST up reply actions
No, but I believe we are getting one made by my Grandma. Gonna be tough tho cuz he is only 8 weeks old and is gonna get a little bigger
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 13, 2011 10:19 AM MST up reply actions
He'll probably be at least 2-3 times his current size by Opening Day.
/sniff – they grow up so fast
The off-season sucks.
That is all.
by DAWNMARIE01 on Dec 13, 2011 10:21 AM MST up reply actions
He is reporting now so he can get into shape and hopefully be full “trained” by spring training
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 13, 2011 10:23 AM MST up reply actions
Better start teaching him
how to throw a splitter
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 10:24 AM MST up reply actions
Or how to fetch beer.
The off-season sucks.
That is all.
by DAWNMARIE01 on Dec 13, 2011 10:26 AM MST up reply actions
He needs a Cargo jersey
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 13, 2011 10:25 AM MST up reply actions
That would be so darn cute!
The off-season sucks.
That is all.
by DAWNMARIE01 on Dec 13, 2011 10:26 AM MST up reply actions
with Broncos ones I usually just buy a baby jersey and it works, need to find baby baseball jerseys
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 13, 2011 10:27 AM MST up reply actions
too cute!
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Ludo wants to say hi too
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by biondino on Dec 13, 2011 10:53 AM MST up reply actions 5 recs
well hullo there!
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You're lucky Rhode Island is not near Colorado
Or else I might have made plans to steal him ;-)
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 13, 2011 10:14 AM MST up reply actions
Notice he is in the corner…he spent the first 3 quarters of the Broncos game there
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 13, 2011 1:21 PM MST up reply actions
Hanging out with Tebow huh?
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Scared by all the yelling?
My dog hides under the table or in the closet.
The off-season sucks.
That is all.
haha exactly!
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 13, 2011 2:29 PM MST up reply actions
Oh I just figured he disappeared like Tebow
does until the last 5 minutes of a game.
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Puppy pictures might cheer me up even more than rumors about improving the Rockies.
/pet person without a pet at the moment
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by glaucophane on Dec 13, 2011 11:01 AM MST up reply actions
"/>The Dog Actually named CarGo doesn’t get the most recs…unbelievable
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 13, 2011 1:19 PM MST up reply actions
Pebbles wants to say that all your other dogs suck, and are not as cute as I am
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
by wolf213 on Dec 13, 2011 10:56 AM MST up reply actions 5 recs
Or as handsome as I am, says Ludo
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by biondino on Dec 13, 2011 10:59 AM MST up reply actions 5 recs
ALL dogs are cute!
The off-season sucks.
That is all.
by DAWNMARIE01 on Dec 13, 2011 11:02 AM MST up reply actions
Acquire all the cute dogs!
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 11:04 AM MST up reply actions 4 recs
Bambi disagrees
But we love her anyways
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
by wolf213 on Dec 13, 2011 11:05 AM MST up reply actions 4 recs
Do they eat innings
or just chew on them for a while, and then leave them beside your chair while looking hopefully at you?
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by glaucophane on Dec 13, 2011 11:15 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
all nasty and covered with slobber
and you don’t want to pick the innings up and move them, but sitting there next to you and getting you nasty and slobbery…. ugh, nothing worse than chewed-up innings
arenado: it's Rockie for future
Nor does Teddy
The off-season sucks.
That is all.
by DAWNMARIE01 on Dec 13, 2011 11:13 AM MST up reply actions 4 recs
This is the best day on Purple Row ever
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by Franchise26 on Dec 13, 2011 11:32 AM MST up reply actions 3 recs
Casey wonders when baseball season will start
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by RoarFrom112 on Dec 13, 2011 11:58 AM MST up reply actions 5 recs
Buster says hi!
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I miss the magic. (h/t papality)
by rockhead on Dec 13, 2011 12:00 PM MST up reply actions 4 recs
Lainey and Sophie want to be involved
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I have rec’d every last one of these pictures in order to encourage more sharing of dog pictures.
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by Franchise26 on Dec 13, 2011 12:54 PM MST up reply actions
It's cool to see everybody's dogs.
Kind of puts a face to a name.
Can I post a picture of my dead cat
or will that ruin the mood?
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by SDcat09 on Dec 13, 2011 1:00 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Stella as a puppy:
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by hotdoglady on Dec 13, 2011 1:23 PM MST up reply actions 4 recs
And Playing in the mud...
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by hotdoglady on Dec 13, 2011 1:26 PM MST up reply actions 4 recs
Heck yes she is!
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Well, she’s not mine, she’s my parents, but still – here’s Gwynn.
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by Franchise26 on Dec 13, 2011 1:38 PM MST up reply actions 4 recs
If we're including dog relatives, this is Tina:
by holly96 on Dec 13, 2011 1:42 PM MST up reply actions 3 recs
And here's my mom's dog Sammy:
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The off-season sucks.
That is all.
by DAWNMARIE01 on Dec 13, 2011 2:31 PM MST up reply actions 4 recs
Australian Shepherd. She’s a Blue Heeler.
It’s our second Aussie named after a ballplayer. We had Griffey for 10 years.
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I thought that looked like an Aussie.
My dog is a border collie/Aussie hybrid, which is a great combo.
Congratulations!
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I'm naming the dog I get in 6 years Tulo.
But until then, I don’t have a dog.
I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.
by prettyinpurple on Dec 13, 2011 1:59 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I was gonna go Tulo…but cousin had already taken that one. She has Tulo and Spilly
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 13, 2011 2:01 PM MST up reply actions
Jim Tracy is going to hate the idea of
Beltran over Cuddyer…Jim Tracy wantzzzzzzzzzzz MATCUPzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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but add too many options, too confusing, Magic 8 ball doesn't handle it
The off-season sucks.
That is all.
Good point…
He could virtually bat in every lineup spot but 2nd
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 13, 2011 9:38 AM MST up reply actions
Versatilityzzz
He wants a LF/RF/3B/1B/C/LHP/RHP – he doesn’t care if they can actually play any of those positions.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 9:38 AM MST up reply actions
i hear honus wagner's corpse is mostly intact
arenado: it's Rockie for future
When was the last time
that the Rockies were reported to be seriously pursuing a free agent of Beltran’s caliber? This is exciting. I have no idea how realistic it is, but please, let this happen.
NEIFI says:
2012: 3.33 WAR
2013: 2.59 WAR
2014: 1.85 WAR
Which is another way of saying that if we have to give him a three-year deal, then by all means, let’s do it. Excellent bat (.292 ABR projection… compare to Smith .280, Willingham .280, Cuddyer .272), and should be at least average in RF throughout the contract. If we pay him $12-13 million a year, he can spend six weeks a year on the DL and still be an asset overall.
I have never felt this excited,Heltonfan...
which probably means it won’t happen.
In answer to your headline question...
It has actually been 16 years. Would be most impactful FA signing since Larry Walker. And Beltran is actually a very similar risk/reward to Walker at a similar age.
Walker was 27
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You don't get my point....
Beltran and Walker at age 35 were similar risk/rewards due to injury history. I wasn’t saying we signed Walker at age 35.
Putting it another way....
is take a look at Walker’s age 35 and 36 seasons. That’s what we could reasonably expect overall from Beltran if he stays healthy, or close.
Ahh well if we could get anything like Walkers .309/.422/.551 line from 35-37
out of Beltran we should go for it
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I was thinking 11 years
NEIFI didn’t exist back then, but I have to think that Hampton projected to be as valuable in 2001 as Beltran does in 2012. But in any case, it’s been a long time.
You may be right about that...
I was thinking solely in terms of hitters brought in here. Jeromy Burnitz doesn’t qualify even though he had one really good year with us. He was just about done when we signed him. Beltran has shown he’s far from done.
Beltran for one year I like, beyond I don't
One year is all I really want to give Beltran. I’d be happy to over pay for that one year to a degree but beyond that, pass. I feel pretty confident that the player Beltran is today is going to be a lot different than the player his is in 3 years. He’s going to be 35 years old next season, give him a 3 year deal and you’ll have him through his age 37 season. Given his bone on bone condition in his leg, the fact that his range in the OF is already declining, and the random injuries increasing, I just dont see him being the kind of guy you’d gamble on long term. I think right now he is the best of the OF free agents but the window where that remains true is running out, imo.
As much as I like Beltran, and I am a long time fan of his from my time back East rooting for the Mets, I don’t want to have to start viewing him like I did Helton before Helton restructured his contract where his contract overshadows his play. I worry that could happen with a multi-year contract with Beltran. I’d happily over pay for one year of Beltran, maybe kick in a vesting option for a 2nd year,but that’s the best I do. No way do I want to go 3 years with Beltran. I really don’t think he has 3 good years left in him, unless he has the ability to DH.
This said, I don’t know how serious their interest in Beltran really is. Could just be a way to put some pressure on Cuddyer, could just be them testing the waters and seeing what Beltran is looking for given that his market isn’t what he might have expected at the onset of free agency.
my worry is that Beltran was content to wait late in the offseason
And many teams are willing to pursue him. Now that Rox have opened the bidding, so to say, he will get double the offer elsewhere. 2011 breeds pessimism
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 13, 2011 9:45 AM MST via mobile reply actions
he still seems like a Boston/Giants move to me
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 13, 2011 9:46 AM MST up reply actions
Giants are out
They were never in according Brian Sabean
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still seems like a Boston move to me
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 13, 2011 9:48 AM MST up reply actions
The Red Sox don't seem that keen on him right now.
As Fisher indicates, though, this rumor should kick up the teams that are interested, so we’ll have a clearer picture of what his market really is. They’re really trying to stay under the luxury tax and have a bigger need at closer.
We have...
… oh, wait, we traded him already.
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O'Dowd knew this. Everybody knew it.
That Boston didn’t offer something more appealing to the Rockies F.O. than Nick Schmidt should tell us something about Street’s real value around the league.
still seems like a move to me
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 9:52 AM MST up reply actions
I think the Drew and Crawford deals may help temper the Red Sox interest here
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 13, 2011 9:58 AM MST up reply actions
makes sense
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 13, 2011 9:49 AM MST up reply actions
i dunno
craig holliday schumaker jay berkman, plus whomever in the minors…. cards seem pretty good on outfielders/potential outfielders
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Berkman is the defacto 1B now
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i bet he'll see a few days in right
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St. Louis?
I don’t know… depends on Allen Craig’s health, I guess. But I have to think they want Craig in the lineup, after the year he had, and finding at-bats for Holliday, Berkman, Beltran and Craig is pretty tough (assuming that Beltran can’t play CF at all anymore, which looks like a safe enough assumption).
Based on roster composition, I’d say the Red Sox make more sense than the Cards for Beltran… but if they really are trying not to go over the luxury tax, then that changes things. If we’re willing to make a real offer (say, 2/26 or 3/38), I think we’ve got a real chance.
Berkman's moving to 1B with Pujols gone. They really aren't that keen on Fielder.
And Craig’s injury and uncertainty just made it a lot more likely than it had been.
Yeah, I know Berkman's at 1B
But still, a Beltran signing would relegate Craig to the bench after he gets healthy… I don’t know that they want to do that.
They didn't mind the deep bench last season with Berkman/Rasmus/Jay/Holliday/Craig
The Cardinals do seem to be one of those teams that tries to stock starting caliber talent for their first reserve positions.
That was also a TLR run team
The bench set up might be completely different now
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fair point.
That’s usually a GM’s job, but TLR probably had a lot more clout in personnel decisions than most managers.
Well
setting up the bench and how you want things to work might have a lot more to do with the manager than getting the starting 8
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True
Another team for whom Beltran makes all the sense in the world is the Cubs. I have no doubt that Theo and Hoyer recognize that Soriano is a sunk cost… Beltran would be a massive upgrade there. A lot bigger of an upgrade than he’d be for us. And it goes without saying that the Cubs have plenty of money to throw around.
I sort of agree, but playing devil's advocate a little,
The Cubs don’t have a situation where the incumbent OF has trade value to the team that Smith might for the Rockies. So adding Beltran plus eating Soriano’s salary (for nothing) may make less sense for them than adding Beltran and trading Smith for another valuable player makes for the Rockies.
Soriano is replacement level now
Getting him off the roster, so that there’s no chance of him getting any playing time at all, has tremendous value. The absolute worst thing the Cubs can do is give Soriano another 500-600 PA.
Do you think Soriano could still play a passable 2B?
If so, he could be an upgrade for us if the Cubs ate his contract.
Soriano was barely passable at 2B even when he actually played the position
I think he’d be an absolute horror show there now. And he projects at a .248 ABR… no reason to go after him when there are Keppingers and Scutaros available.
I actually agree...
but I worry that we even will let the Keppingers and Scutaros play elsewhere. Compared to EYJ/Herrera/Field/incumbent drek I’d take a chance on Soriano having one rejuvenated season for us at 2B, and hopefully not screwing us too much on defense. At this point, though, such a desperation move isn’t needed.
too bad Soriano is signed for three more years
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yep... it's a pretty terrible idea.
The Cubs aren’t going to eat all of his salary, and that’s the only way he could possibly be remotely worth considering.
I think the OF right now is Holliday, Jay, and Craig.
Craig is out for a while after surgery and Beltran is a player with his own health issues that isn’t going to be available for a full season. He’s going to have more of a Helton schedule. Bringing Beltran in gives them the luxury of having Craig’s spot covered while he’s out and when he comes back in they get to mix and match their lineups. I think Jay is the guy whose playing time will coordinate most with Beltran’s (drop in defense, bump in offense) but having Beltran would allow all those OF the chance for an occasional spell.
Beltran has played in 140+
games in almost every season except 2009-2010. I don’t think he’s on Helton schedule playing time wise at all, but we will see
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True
but he also played 140 last year which indicates to me that he’s more healthy than Helton, but again only 2012 will show what really happens
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boston doesn't need him
or even probably really want him
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Or supposedly have the money for him
There’s talk that they are trying not to go over the luxury cap, meaning they only have $3-$5 million to spend, without clearing payroll. And with their need for SP and RP I think OF would be a lower priority.
we will take him…done
so we have
2nd and RF figured out
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 13, 2011 9:54 AM MST up reply actions
Well
“can” is a pretty big leap here. I have no idea what our budget looks like this year, as I have not heard a concrete number, nor have I looked at our commitments yet, but it seems that squeezing both in would be tough. But man, that would be one hell of a lineup.
my counterargument would be
Beltran came up as a Royals player, and has always seemed like a mid-market guy to me. Didn’t he regret signing with the Mets?
He may only have a few years left in his career. Maybe he wants to end it in a mid-market with a fun hitting environment and good, young teammates.
/projecting
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and i hear boston has drama
beltran is too nice for boston drama
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St Louis
They have been rumored to be interested and they have the OF depth to use him in a way to maximize his health. Plus, after losing Pujols they should have some money to spend.
they make the most sense
then again, they just gave Furcal 7mil this season. They may want to limit how many injury-prone players they sign to big money
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I would hope ownership would sign off on a slight increase in payroll.
if Beltran was the target. The visibility of such a signing would easily pay for itself.
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In addition to that
The potential payoff if it works is well worth the risk
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 13, 2011 10:00 AM MST up reply actions
not to mention...
a lot of pressure would exist on the big free agent signed to replace albert’s bat
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% Chances of Rockies actually getting Beltran
25% IMO
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It won’t be much easier getting Beltran He would fit well. But still plenty of teams interested And Boras client, Meaning patience the word
Rockies were lukewarm on Beltran last month. But they are going to continue shaking trees, esp w Cuddyer a favorite to stay in Minn
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Not a Boras client a Lonzano client
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My bad on Beltran. He switched to Lozano as his agent. Sorry for the confusion.
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 13, 2011 10:03 AM MST up reply actions
Get Giambi and Tulo
on the phone and tell them to call Beltran up and say how nice Colorado is. That always seems to do the trick
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better yet
get cargo to call him, surely there’s a few good puns to be worked out there
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If Rockies were lukewarm,they are dumber than I thought...
and that’s saying something. Why they would prefer Cuddyer to Beltran is beyond me. Yes, he could cost a bit more, but I’d bet he’d be worth it, even without the ’versatility".
Yes, on a per-season basis...
Beltran would cost more. But he’d be worth it even if he misses 50 games to injury. Know why? MARKETING. Beltran signing could actually sell tickets. Cuddyer wouldn’t.
that caught my eye as well
People will buy Beltran jerseys. People will not buy Cuddyer jerseys.
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Exacty....
My post immediately before your’s points out the marketing benefits.
I would hope the "lukewarm" phrase
refers to the perceived market for Beltran. There really hasn’t been any chatter about the player so far, maybe the Rockies think they may have a shot.
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Key word is "last month"
I remember hearing last month that we were also luke warm on Cuddyer. That has since changed.
I'm guessing it's more posturing to keep the salary demand down.
And also to keep fan expectations low until it’s a bit more certain that Beltran will fit within the team’s salary range. I do believe, like they seemed willing to do with Wright, that the team will be willing to extend the budget a bit for a known superstar like Beltran.
Exactly
The minute we get all excited about him, we create more excitement, until it spirals out of our price range.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 10:15 AM MST up reply actions
"We" being the Rockies FO
It’s our job as fans to get excited, whether it’s realistic or not.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 10:16 AM MST up reply actions
Yes lets all keep quiet so nobody else remembers that Beltran is still out there
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 13, 2011 10:16 AM MST up reply actions
i'd buy the crap out of a rockies beltran jersey
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Wouldn't you rather have the jersey?
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by J_Stone on Dec 13, 2011 12:14 PM MST up reply actions 3 recs
New Offseason Plans
Sign Beltran
Trade for Scutaro
Sign a warm Body for 3b until Nolan proves ready….
Boom Done.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
And get a frontline starter...
Edwin Jackson, Rickey Nolasco caliber.
Jackson and Nolasco are unexciting #3 starters, I wouldn't call them frontline
But we certainly could use a pitcher like that, I’m not against the idea by any means…
It's all relative, HF...
Based on what we have now, they look “frontline” to me. Besides, I have no illusions we can go get anyone significantly better within our budget.
As a matter of fact
I think Pom might be the best pitcher we have going into this season, and he’s just a Rookie. We need something stable besides Chacin.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
Right, Pom's upside is #1 or #2...
but we can’t count on it yet. We need a more proven “veteran” commodity that can get us 200 quality innings.
Thats what I keep thinking, but then I wonder if we just get as many marginal arms as we can, they can all combine to fill that veteran role and possibly provide more upside
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 13, 2011 10:13 AM MST up reply actions
I wouldn't call Chacin stable either.
Didn’t finish strong.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 13, 2011 10:23 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Diagree on Edwin
Think he is more a #2 than #3.
by Traindogger on Dec 13, 2011 10:17 AM MST up reply actions
I don't see how the budget will fit Beltran, Scutero
And one of Nolasco/Jackson. There is simply no way that all fits.
Oh my
The Rockies definitely do not have the salary space for these moves, guys.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 13, 2011 10:23 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
If the first two happen, I’d throw LeMahieu at 3B until Arenado is ready.
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I can live with it
Or even Pacheco. Considering how last year went, I can live with just one weak spot in the lineup.
I'd be ok with that I guess
And you still have the Pu-Pu Platter of Nelson/Herrera/Wood/Pacheco as well.
Why not try and get a Reid Brignac of the Rays or a Sean Rodriguez. They can probaly provide some value as well.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
Yes on Sean-Rod, no on Brignac
I mentioned Rodriguez yesterday, I think… he’s a guy I’d love to see us target.
Wouldn't Brignac be the perfect buy low type player though
Once highly thought of prospect, who had bad year, but is still young enough to rebound?
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
He'll rebound, sure...
But to something closer to 2009 than 2010. I don’t see much upside there anymore.
having a hole at 2B or 3B won't sink this team
The giant gaping swaths of suck in Fisher’s table at the top sunk this team.
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Perhaps if we had Phillies or Giants type rotation it wouldn't
But with our rotation I think it would.
Having a hole at 2B or 3B
dramatically increases the odds of experiencing similar “giant gaping swaths of suck” (nice phrase)… of course we need to address those holes.
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Other candidates for the 3B job
I’m sure we could pry Juan Francisco or Todd Frazier away from the Reds… not sure about their gloves, but either of those guys would bring far more offensive potential than our current parade of AAA dreck.
Really Like the Idea of Francisco
But I doubt the Front Office would go after him considering they just shipped his twin brother to the cubs.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
the real issue with the front office's thinking on this
is that they would see it as “blocking” Arenado, particularly with Francisco since he’s pretty much a 3B and nothing else. I think this is a mistake, teams rarely regret adding as much young talent as possible, you can sort out where they play later, and if it means taking a small hit on defense, so be it. I like the idea of either Francisco or Frazier, and have said as much.
The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence
Francisco would be a new face, with upside… you never know. And, heck, we signed Brandon Wood, who has been about 10x more disappointing than Stewart…
LeMahieu at 3B....
would be like the Giants with Bill Mueller. Actually a “poor-man’s” Mueller.
I hear Vinny still likes to play some hot corner every now and then
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 13, 2011 10:08 AM MST up reply actions
Like I said above, that wont happen
Scutaro + Beltran is too expensive.
Beltran + Keppinger sounds great to me. Trade Smith/Wheeler/Pitching prospect (Bettis/Cabrera pop out to me) and get a good SP.
Boom. We compete next season.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 13, 2011 10:20 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
I'm willing to bet
That the Rockies would spend a bit more if it meant getting a Beltran. As Rox Girl noted above.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
That is referring to Beltran's salary.
Relative to Cuddyer. Rockies won’t go $10mil on Cuddyer, but would go more than that on Beltran. But that likely cuts out Scutaro. And then there’s still that SP problem..
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 13, 2011 10:27 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
If Beltran happens
I think we either see a solution to SP or IF through trade. One or the other, I don’t think there’s room for both.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 10:31 AM MST up reply actions
Pretty much exactly what I said 3 posts up^^^
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 13, 2011 10:33 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
What I was saying above is that signing Beltran would likely add to the budget ceiling
in a way that signing Cuddyer would not. So while yes, it would cost more money on an AAV basis, there will likely also be factored in additional revenue, meaning more money to spend. At least there should be. Scutaro was always a little iffy based on salary, the Red Sox might have to eat some, Keppinge should easily be doable, depending on the interest he garners.
I would like to see Smith and Lindstrom for Frazier and Volquez
then go give Sonnastine a chance to be Belisle
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Even better would be to get Dan Wheeler on a short contract
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So does this meaan
We ARE going for in 2012, rather than 2013 as we’ve expected?
I've always thought the FO would go in for 2012
I think DOD is smart enough to know that he only has so many years where he has healthy, young, prime years Cargo and Tulo at reasonable prices – the next 4-5 years are really a “stars” align situation for us, and hopefully DOD has gotten the Monforts to see that and open their wallets up a little bit.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 10:20 AM MST up reply actions
We have to go for it in 2012
the world is ending at the end of year!
Your 2012 Colorado Rockies:freshly exorcised from Ty Wigginton
That's what the FO will say,
Beltran’s still valuable in 2013, though. I reiterate that’s the primary target. Similar to 2007, we’d be ahead of schedule if we compete in 2012. It’s more than possible, though, especially with a signing like this.
can someone tell me if my money figures are wrong?
Looking at Cots excel spreadsheet, going into the offseason we had $65 mil in committed contracts for 2012.
Since then we have removed Street (7), Wiggy (2), Ubaldo (4.2), Iannetta (3.6) that leaves us with $48.2.
Add in Hernandez (3.2), Slowey (projecting what? 3 mi?), Giambi’s option being picked up (1) and we have 55.4 in salary obligations.
That leaves us with about $26 mil to reach opening day payroll. Fowler is now our only arb eligible player right assuming we trade Smith? What is his projection? 3-4 mil? That takes us to 22 mil. Take away all the minimum salary players, that is what another 3-4 mil at most? That leaves us with $18 million.
Now that seems like its a lot higher than what other people have been saying we have to play with. If so, where in my figures am I off?
Seems like if that is accurate we can easily fit Beltran into our roster and still have 6-7 mil left over to fill other holes.
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that should have said *to reach 2011's payroll
and just so its known, i did include the money that we are paying SD and Phily for Street and Wiggy. It was subtracted out of their savings.
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by purplesocks on Dec 13, 2011 10:35 AM MST up reply actions
2011's 83 mil
sorry I should have specified it in the original post
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by purplesocks on Dec 13, 2011 10:37 AM MST up reply actions
The article in the RP
says Slowey gets $2.75M
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 13, 2011 12:07 PM MST up reply actions
I wonder if the numbers at the begining include the Cargo/Tulo raises?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 13, 2011 12:12 PM MST up reply actions
that is what i was wondering, is if it included raises cuz everytime that i do it I come up with 9-12 million
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 13, 2011 12:13 PM MST up reply actions
This page seems reasonable here. (Start off with what we have committed this second and work our way up)
$51.9 million committed before…..
1) The Slowy contract (which is a Wild Card anyway since he can get out if he doesn’t make the team)
2) The Smith/Dex arb cases ($6 million or so)
3) The minimum salaries ($4-5 millon)
4) Other potential trades/signings
Even after I add #’s 1-3, I still only see about $65 million committed for next season.
We have money to play with. We are going to sign something decent
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 13, 2011 12:24 PM MST up reply actions
this looks right in line with what i was getting
makes a beltran signing seem more realistic
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by purplesocks on Dec 13, 2011 12:31 PM MST up reply actions
Almost exactly what purplesocks said in the original post.
$20 million in cap space? Wow. That’s definitely enough for Keppinger+Beltran+Pitcher.
GIT ER DONE, DAN.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 13, 2011 2:20 PM MST up reply actions
Also, subtract the money Seth Smith will make, as he's most likely gone.
Oooh money money money. Management raised ticket prices, so I could see the payroll jump to mid-high 80 million. Especially with a Beltran signing.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 13, 2011 2:21 PM MST up reply actions
I will refuse to raise my expectations on a Beltran signing to avoid disappoint
But there’s a lot of smoke here that says it’s very possible.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 13, 2011 2:24 PM MST up reply actions
Is there, really?
All I’ve heard is that the Rockies are interested. With Minnesota becoming the likely landing spot for Willingham, and with the Rockies heavy interest in Cuddyer since day one, it’s quite obvious what’s going to happen here…
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 13, 2011 2:44 PM MST up reply actions
I'm going to remain hopelessly optimistic
that the Rockies were just upping the price on Cuddyer and getting more people interested, so that there will be fewer suitors for Beltran.
/knows this probably isn’t the case
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 2:46 PM MST up reply actions
That'd be a brilliant move.
The Rockies aren’t in a bad spot if Willingham goes to Minnesota. Cuddyer could be had cheaper (3 years/$25 mill) if that were the case
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 13, 2011 3:01 PM MST up reply actions
The fact that we've so actively pursued Cuddyer
(who IMO is not as good as Willingham), and then all the sudden are interested in Beltran out of the blue leads me to believe that there’s some straegery going on behind the scenes.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 3:03 PM MST up reply actions
The island is going to turn out to be purgatory?
Filling up your senses like a night in the forest since 1992.
by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 13, 2011 2:46 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
The 2011 season was just the dream of an autistic child looking at a snowglobe depicting a trainwreck?
by Shoemaker on Dec 13, 2011 2:48 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
2011 Season was just a dream
And Super Mario woke up in bed next to the Princess.
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The 2011 season is my father.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 13, 2011 2:50 PM MST up reply actions
The 2011 season shot JR.
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the 2011 season
gave me the shingles.
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The 2011 season injected me with Adamantium and erased my memory
Avalance 2011-12 season, Mission 45 Wins.
Get well soon Juan.
The 2011 season was really dead all along...
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Junction Rox on Dec 13, 2011 2:55 PM MST up reply actions
The 2011 season was the name of the sled.
by Shoemaker on Dec 13, 2011 2:55 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
The 2011 season lied about being
the master of his domain.
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the 2011 season
fed the gremlin after midnight.
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the 2011 season
wasn’t really the Dread Pirate Roberts, but just inherited the title
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Junction Rox on Dec 13, 2011 3:02 PM MST up reply actions
the 2011 season
Was the villain’s son who befriended the teenage superhero
Avalance 2011-12 season, Mission 45 Wins.
Get well soon Juan.
The 2011 season
Was just Jigsaw chained to the wall the whole time
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 2:57 PM MST up reply actions
The 2011 season
Just sucked
68 today, 67 tomorrow is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
Also,
sometimes I’m z-ing through the comments of an offseason Rockpile thinking “how the **** did we get here?”
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 3:06 PM MST up reply actions
Or 2011 was really a psycologist in New York
and not an Inn keeper in Vermont
The off-season sucks.
That is all.
by DAWNMARIE01 on Dec 13, 2011 3:06 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
2011 is really the Evil Queen mother of Snow White
And not the Mayor of some town in Maine.
Avalance 2011-12 season, Mission 45 Wins.
Get well soon Juan.
Stepmother...
right?
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Junction Rox on Dec 13, 2011 3:17 PM MST up reply actions
Some stories say she is snow white's mother.
I’m just trying to say which fairytale evil queen it is.
Avalance 2011-12 season, Mission 45 Wins.
Get well soon Juan.
the 2011 season
is why Community was put on hold.
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by hotdoglady on Dec 13, 2011 3:07 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Curse you 2011 season the platypuss!!!!!!
Avalance 2011-12 season, Mission 45 Wins.
Get well soon Juan.
Isn't the 2011 season
a little too young have sucked so terribly?
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 3:09 PM MST up reply actions
the 2011 season
makes me want to drink a whole gallon of RetCon
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the 2011 season
was really a cylon.
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it shot a fan in Denver, just to watch him die.
Serenity Now.
my father in law has the shingles right now :((
68 today, 67 tomorrow is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training.
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mmmmmm....wiggy in the shower....
HEY!!!
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I need brain bleach now...thanks
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that was the clubhouse
wiggy is everywhere
arenado: it's Rockie for future
The amount of money they have dumped makes it possible that they are going after a bigger fish than Cuddyer
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 13, 2011 2:47 PM MST up reply actions
Like?
They could get Cuddyer for $8.5 mil/year, then allocate the rest of the money (like $13 mil?) on a SP. I think the 2B the Rockies go after will be cheap, like Keppinger
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Dec 13, 2011 3:03 PM MST up reply actions
They certainly could divide it into several smaller targets like you are suggesting
(and that may be what they are ultimately forced to do in the end anyway), but it’s also very possible they are going to go after Beltran because salary dumps like we’ve seen are also exactly what the Rockies would do if Beltran0 was in their plans.
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 13, 2011 3:12 PM MST up reply actions
Very true.
But if that were the case, why would we hear so many rumors about how the Rockies were making an “aggressive push” for cuddyer? Renck continues to report that the Rockies have heavy interest in cuddyer, even today. The Beltran rumors started TODAY. I think that says a lot.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Dec 13, 2011 3:15 PM MST up reply actions
I think it supports my theory
That DOD is the master of disguise, intrigue and confusion
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 3:17 PM MST up reply actions
Like Every other 2nd baseman weve ever had
A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves
by waterboy31321 on Dec 13, 2011 3:13 PM MST up reply actions
he means their choice of restaurants on dates
they’re no ian stewart
arenado: it's Rockie for future
You're right
The Rockies have never taken a girl on a date that consists of the girl watching them play Call of Duty
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 3:16 PM MST up reply actions
No gift bags, either.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 13, 2011 3:18 PM MST up reply actions
the cots excel spreadsheet i was working off of has Tulo has 8.25 and Cargo at 5.4 for 2012
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by purplesocks on Dec 13, 2011 12:28 PM MST up reply actions
That's correct
I think you’re right then.
Seems like if that is accurate we can easily fit Beltran into our roster and still have 6-7 mil left over to fill other holes.
It sounds like a wild staement but we keep dropping payroll (Even today with Spilly and his $2 million). It’s all adding up now. The Rockies are preparing to land something soon unless they plan on dropping payroll big time next season – Which I can’t see them doing while bumping ticket prices.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 13, 2011 12:35 PM MST up reply actions
Interesting…
A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves
by waterboy31321 on Dec 13, 2011 12:37 PM MST up reply actions
Why havn’t we signed Beltran yet?
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 13, 2011 10:39 AM MST reply actions
I'm sorry
Why havn’t we signed Beltran yet?
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 13, 2011 10:44 AM MST up reply actions
I love those graphs...
and hope O’Dowd and the Monforts use them and see them respectively.
One another note
It’s amazing how close Beltran and Tulo’s WAR scores have been by age so far.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 13, 2011 2:45 PM MST up reply actions
Adios to Spilborghs
Obviously we are running out of the already-scarce commodity of players that have been introduced as starters in the World Series wearing the CR. A great guy to cheer for and I hope he can resurrect his career somehow.
Why haven't we signed Carlos Beltran yet?
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by Junction Rox on Dec 13, 2011 1:34 PM MST up reply actions
I just kidnapped a Hamster owned by the Monfort's Sons left a tiny note explaining my
Beltran based demands
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by TomCat009 on Dec 13, 2011 10:53 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
It only makes sense for Beltran to come to Colorado
That way it’s a short drive to Dr. Steadman’s office
Take the Jets. They’ve won 7 of 8 home games, and the Wild are the luckiest team in the league, advanced-metrics wise.
Wings are a decent pick, but not even close to guaranteed. Canadiens are a tough bet this year.
Wait, we are talking about a parlay bet, right?
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yeah.
I picked Wings because of Crosby being out. Canadiens just because of at home. Wild was more a blind pick.
What would be your parlay for hockey, 3 games?
lots of tough picks tonight
Flyers just lost Giroux and the Caps have won 3 of 4. Washington would be a decent pick. Jets would be another okay pick at home. Since we’re talking parlay, I’d go with the Canucks over Columbus.*
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by hotdoglady on Dec 13, 2011 10:58 AM MST reply actions 2 recs
Hmm
The Red Sox completely ran out of starting pitching last season. I wonder if they would do a Smtih + Hammel deal for Scutaro? That would be a (very close to) neutral salary deal for both teams.
That might allow us to sign Beltran and a cheap (but not very good) starter who can suck up innings if we need it.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 13, 2011 10:59 AM MST reply actions
that seems like a lot to give up for a 36 yo middle infielder
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
It is but this trade is about filling NEEDS for both sides
The Red Sox could have desperately used a Hammel last September and probably would have made the playoffs as well as saved themselves a tremendous amount of humiliation if they had one. He’s just a guy who’s good enough to hold the opponent in check a little, but that still would have been enough to allow the Boston offense to outscore the other team a couple of times which is huge when you cont all the wins at the end.
Smith also helps Boston because he’s a good, cost controlled bat who can fill another hole they have in right field.
Finally, they can affored to lose Scutaro because they have a decent backup option in Lowrie and a prospect in Jose Iglacies coming up soon.
For the Rockies, Scutaro provides more value than he would for most teams because the improvement he would provide over what we had at 2B / 3B last season would be enormous. No he’s not a great player but if he provides 500 PA’s of “Doesn’t Suck” then he makes this team MUCH BETTER.
By trading both Hammel and Smith, the Rockies won’t be adding salary (give or take a few drops in the bucket) when they bring on Scutaro’s $6million next season allowing them to still land Beltran and possibly one other small piece.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 13, 2011 11:23 AM MST up reply actions
Red Sox gain salary. Why whould they do this?
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and smith is left-handed, which they don't need
arenado: it's Rockie for future
They need to fill a hole in RF
And the lefty thing isn’t a large issue with them. Their lefies had a .780 OPS against LHP last season which is outstanding.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 13, 2011 11:32 AM MST up reply actions
They don't gain salary
They break even
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 13, 2011 11:26 AM MST up reply actions
Josh Reddick is not very good
He’s got a .700 OPS in 143 big league games and he’s done nothing in the minors that suggests he’s an every day starter.
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 13, 2011 11:33 AM MST up reply actions
Isn't Hammel already
a cheap but not very good starter? If we get Beltran, I’m kinda hopeful of keeping Smith around.
Well then you're hopeful that we don't
fill an infield hole or find an innings eater – he’s pretty much the only trade piece we have left who’s worth anything.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 11:05 AM MST up reply actions
Maybe
but with Beltran (who I very much want) I still want capable OF depth. I also am not convinced we couldn’t find something credibly close to Scutaro’s value for significantly cheaper. Smith in a Prado trade is cool, or something similar.
But really, I’m not going to dive into the terminal overanalysis of all of this. I’m just going to try to enjoy whatever DOD can come up with.
Me too
I just think that if we pick up Beltran, every move thereafter will have to be through trade, and be a lateral move salary-wise.
But I’m with you – I will sit back, watch Dan deal, and come up with an opinion after the curtain falls on Act II.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 11:12 AM MST up reply actions
Pitching prospects?
Wheeler, Blackmon?
We have pieces to deal.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Dec 13, 2011 2:23 PM MST up reply actions
Fair enough
But Smith seems pretty redundant and lots of teams seem to want him (or at least that’s the thought around here)
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 2:24 PM MST up reply actions
Smith seems redundant to Wheeler, you mean?
I know. Which was my issue with the Prado deal, because we kept saying Smith/Wheeler when they were redundant players. It always had to be Smith + top prospect, and we just weren’t going there.
I think the team is going to have to dip into the trade market to get a SP. At this point, Seth is almost certain to go. If you can package Smith + Cabrera (or Bettis, for a better SP in return) for a innings eating vet that fits in the budget, I’d definitely do it.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Dec 13, 2011 2:47 PM MST up reply actions
I mean
if we sign one of these FA power hitting outfielders, Smith becomes a pretty expensive 4th OF – we might as well have Wheeler or Blackmon fill that spot. I agree with everything said :-)
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 2:53 PM MST up reply actions
Not redundant, imo.
Wheeler is a CF, which was a big part of the draw there. If they aren’t going to re-sign Bourn, and it’s looking rather unlikely, they would need someone to man center.
Smith can’t do that, and their farm system’s closest CF prospect is probably a 4th OF best-case.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
Wheeler has been projected to move to a corner OF spot.
As he gets bigger.
Just a thought.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Dec 13, 2011 3:04 PM MST up reply actions
The Braves would keep him in center…I mean, they kept Andruw Jones and Nate McLouth in center. They let Melky Cabrera’s fat, pre-KC ass play center.
Maybe they let Seth Smith play center. >.<
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
hahaha.
Yeah, no way Seth Smith would be able to play center.
The problem with Wheeler is his splits, obviously. Which is why I refer to him as being redundant to Seth. We’ll see how it all plays out, though. But I definitely see Wheeler being moved this offseason.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Dec 13, 2011 3:12 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah, I can't see Smith sticking around.
Especially if we get Beltran. Blackmon/Wheeler fit the 4th outfielder role much better, as Beltran won’t be platooning.
He's going to make close to $5million next season (Hammel)
That’s more than anyone but JDLR, Tulo, Cargo, and Helton. He’s not that cheap.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 13, 2011 11:10 AM MST up reply actions
While we're at it
can we acquire Carlos Gomez from Milwaukee and have an OF of Carlos’
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JFK
Not if we want Weeks...
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by Junction Rox on Dec 13, 2011 1:36 PM MST up reply actions
For who?
Wheeler isn’t enough for Carlos Gomez or Rickie Weeks, let alone both of them.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Dec 13, 2011 2:23 PM MST up reply actions
...Tim Wheeler isn't enough for Carlos Gomez?
If we traded Wheeler for Gomez straight up, I would be Real Mad, because that would be a terrible trade.
Fair enough.
I’m not too high on Wheeler, but yea that’s a pretty unfair trade for us.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Dec 13, 2011 2:50 PM MST up reply actions
while i would certainly appreciate the comedy factor there
carlos gomez:getting on base::joe dimaggio:striking out
arenado: it's Rockie for future
bizarro cargo
doesn’t much care for getting on base
arenado: it's Rockie for future
salary room
someone (muzia, I think) had done a projection late in the season that showed we’d have well over $20 mill (without a payroll increase), available this year. Cook (11 mill) and street (7 mill) alone = 18 mill. Corpas dropped off, some others, etc.
the team’s actions and some tweets by Renck dont’ seem to show numbers anywhere near this high.
Can anyone clarify?
Thanks
maybe i should have read the post and looked at the table
sheeshh
anyone have some idea of a net effect?
scroll up a bit
purplesocks has a pretty good post that I think is a pretty accurate salary projection.
Non tender list sorted by position.
Everyone go shopping.
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jo-jo "w-l record" reyes
arenado: it's Rockie for future
Kuo would be an awesome flyer
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in 370 career PA
lefties have a .205/.282/.318 line in 2010 LHH had a .095/.159/.111 line against him in 70 PA
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OOOH! Cole Garner!
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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 13, 2011 11:31 AM MST up reply actions
we could use a right-handed platoon partner for smith, if we don't end up moving him
hit well in the minors, just couldn’t fit in with his last org… be a good fit ;)
arenado: it's Rockie for future
that dude has great numbers in the minors
could be worth a flier
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It reminds me of when Marge cleaned out the attic on the Simpsons
“You can’t get rid of the box to my pitchback! If I still had it, I could put it in here!”
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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 13, 2011 11:46 AM MST up reply actions
@jonheyman
Saito’s deal with az is for $1.75M. Smart pickup. #dbacks.
Great, great pickup for the Snakes especially at that price.
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kevin towers:
good at stuff
arenado: it's Rockie for future
Why weren't the Rockies in on this one?
At the very least they should have pushed the cost for a division rival. I for one don’t trust Lidge very much, and the other bullpen targets aren’t very inspiring either.
Playoff team?
Saito only signs with playoff teams.
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If he played OOTP
He’d know that we’re a perennial competitor
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 12:00 PM MST up reply actions
i keep getting this offseason and our ootp offseason confused
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 13, 2011 12:31 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
He'll also be 42 next season.
Is the playoff team thing just a coincidence, or does he really target competitors?
Man I hate that their bullpen no longer implodes nightly
Saito, Hernandez and Putz are all excellent
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Willingham
Josh Willingham’s agent, Matt Sosnick, told the Minneapolis Star Tribune that his client will make a decision in the next 48 hours.
Willingham had reportedly been waiting for Michael Cuddyer’s decision, but apparently he will strike first. Doing so might push up Cuddyer’s timetable. “Josh has three viable options,” Sosnick said. The Twins are confirmed as one of the three, while the Rockies and Indians are likely the other two. Cuddyer has a three-year, $25 million contract offer from the Twins but has been dragging his feet for awhile now. He is also being courted heavily by the Rockies. Minnesota would do well to ink the cheaper Willingham and take the pair of comp picks when Cuddyer signs elsewhere
oh snap…the Rockies future could be decided soon
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 13, 2011 12:32 PM MST up reply actions
I agree. I think this is the first domino to fall that’s going to have any direct impact on the direction the Rockies take.
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by Franchise26 on Dec 13, 2011 12:33 PM MST up reply actions
And once this falls I think the other pieces are going to move very quickly
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 13, 2011 12:36 PM MST up reply actions
Please no
please no
please no
please no
About a week ago I would have been pleased with Willy over Cuddyer, but now that I know Beltran may happen, I don’t want either of them ever ever never.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 12:33 PM MST up reply actions
haha I am the exact same way
If you would have talked to me yesterday I would have been:
1) Amart’s plan of platooning Smtih with a lefty killer
2) Willingham
3) Cuddayer
Now its:
1) Beltran
2) Beltran
3) Beltran
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by purplesocks on Dec 13, 2011 12:35 PM MST up reply actions
Exactly
Please, DOD – All I want for Christmas is Beltran.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 12:39 PM MST up reply actions
Yes.
That’s totally me. Except a week ago, I mentioned Beltran, people claimed it was a pipe dream, and now we have a rumor.
Yesterday, I wanted RH platoon with Smith.
Now, BELTRAN OR I AM A GIANTS FAN.
Yea.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Dec 13, 2011 2:25 PM MST up reply actions
hey, i was the first beltran pusher
arenado: it's Rockie for future
And I think you even mentioned him before that too.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 13, 2011 2:52 PM MST up reply actions
Scene: Dark alleyway on a rainy night, papility is wearing a long overcoat.
papality: “Hey kid…you wanna buy some Beltran?”
by Shoemaker on Dec 13, 2011 2:52 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
but Braun shows up
68 today, 67 tomorrow is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
by Roxman4ever on Dec 13, 2011 2:53 PM MST up reply actions 4 recs
snort
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68 today, 67 tomorrow is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
I’m of the mind that Beltran’s a significant pricktease. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
by Franchise26 on Dec 13, 2011 12:35 PM MST up reply actions
Well
so are Cuddyer and Willingham – the marginal cost of Beltran is TOTALLY worth it
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 12:36 PM MST up reply actions
I meant the Beltran rumors more so than the player himself.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
by Franchise26 on Dec 13, 2011 12:36 PM MST up reply actions
ugh, hopefully beltran does not leave us all with a case of the blue balls
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by purplesocks on Dec 13, 2011 12:36 PM MST up reply actions
1) Beltran
2) Keep Smith and go for FA pitcher or IF
3) Willingham
4) Cuddyer
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 12:35 PM MST up reply actions
You just know it's going to be Cuddyer
It’s still 2011 after all
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 13, 2011 12:38 PM MST up reply actions
You shut your mouth.
Sadly, it wouldn’t surprise me at all :-/
Hopefully Cuddy wants to stay in Minnesota really really badly.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 12:40 PM MST up reply actions
That's the only way I think he goes back there
Because I’m pretty sure his highest offer is not going to be from the Twins.
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 13, 2011 12:41 PM MST up reply actions
But from the sounds of it
he’s really well liked both in the clubhouse and by the fans – the question is, how many millions of dollars does that mean to him?
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 12:42 PM MST up reply actions
he is really like up there and has stated that Minnesota is home to him
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 13, 2011 12:43 PM MST up reply actions
so sign your deal with minn already cuddayer!!
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by purplesocks on Dec 13, 2011 12:44 PM MST up reply actions
Yes
And then Cleveland can sign Willingham… please please please!
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 12:44 PM MST up reply actions
however it seems a lot of people over on Twinkie Town wanna go with Willlingham because he is slightly cheaper. They seem to be kinda mad at Cuddyer for driving up the price on the Twins, something they thought he wouldn’t do because he loved being a Twin
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 13, 2011 12:53 PM MST up reply actions
they also get some picks for Cuddyer
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 13, 2011 12:53 PM MST up reply actions
you mean if Cuddyer leaves, they get picks.
Which would make me want to go with Willingham too, were the situations reversed. Without that added incentive, I think Cuddyer’s the better player going forward.
so was albert
too soon?
arenado: it's Rockie for future
I think I may want to backtrack on this statement
now that I think about it a little bit more. If it really is down to the Twins and Rockies for Cuddyer and Willingham goes to Minnesota, then the Rockies can submit an offer even lower than the one the Twins just gave because Cuddyer is out of leverage.
The more I think about this the more I believe that Cuddyer is best off just taking the offer the Twins have on the table right now.
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 13, 2011 2:36 PM MST up reply actions
If this situation happens
and we end up with Cuddyer, I would be less upset than if we had to outbid the Twins to get him.
We want him to sign with the Indians, if he goes to the Twins
then Cuddyer is ours, and and Beltran isn’t coming to Colorado.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
Exactly.
If Cuddyer doesn’t sign with Minnesota, he’s coming to Colorado.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Dec 13, 2011 2:26 PM MST up reply actions
Go Tribe Go!
Jordan Bastian of MLB.com reports that the Indians are not “entirely out” on free agent outfielder Josh Willingham.
Ken Rosenthal of FOXSports.com reported earlier Tuesday afternoon that the Indians were out of the running for Willingham. Bastian isn’t ready to go there quite yet, but also notes that they have yet to make an official offer and that budget constraints make it an unrealistic scenario. This would seem to give more credence to the notion that the Twins are the favorites.
Jon Heyman
#rockies have a bit of money to spend for a change. beyond beltran/cuddyer, they are looking at kuroda, saunders, trades
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signing beltran and kuroda and i might wet myself
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by purplesocks on Dec 13, 2011 12:23 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
^4
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i think i'd fall out of my chair
arenado: it's Rockie for future
LOOGY specialist
/matchupzzzz
The off-season sucks.
That is all.
by DAWNMARIE01 on Dec 13, 2011 12:26 PM MST up reply actions
This makes me happier that all of the puppy pictures
and that’s saying something
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 12:27 PM MST up reply actions
I think there’s a real understanding from the front office that nobody’s going to buy the ‘We would have signed Player X, but it wasn’t the right fit money-wise’ given the money-related moves that have already gone down, particularly the Street deal. We’re going to hand out a pretty good chunk of change to SOMEBODY. If it’s two somebodies, I’d be even more impressed.
Not that I want the Rockies to make moves strictly based upon the fan’s perspective… but I think the trust level of this front office in the eyes of most fans has taken a significant hit, and a Beltran signing would be a huge step back in a positive direction.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
by Franchise26 on Dec 13, 2011 12:41 PM MST up reply actions
I concur
I think a move is going to happen regardless, so they can say “hey we freed up that money to bring you this shiny, fancy free agent!” I just hope the move makes sense on the field, not just as a CYA situation.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 12:44 PM MST up reply actions
Or they are setting themselves up for something big next year
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 13, 2011 12:45 PM MST up reply actions
Maybe so
But knowing how fickle the Denver fanbase is, I don’t know if its the best move – people are already either pissed that the Rockies underperformed, OR (and even more dangerously from a business standpoint) have written the Rox off and will now pay attention to Tebow and the New Look Nuggets. I think a legitimate FA acquisition will combat a certain amount of both of those sentiments.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 12:49 PM MST up reply actions
If the conversation in the Rockies front office is “Shit, this Tebow guy is stealing our thunder, we’ve gotta make a splash,” well, that would be the first thing Tim Tebow is done that I would actually like and appreciate.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
by Franchise26 on Dec 13, 2011 12:49 PM MST up reply actions
Haha
Regardless of Tebow, casual fans here DON’T care about teams that don’t do well – the empty seats at Mile High at the end of last season proved that. It’s less about competition with other teams and more about being competitive within your own league.
The Broncos and Avalanche were both wildly successful in the late 90s, and both teams were selling tickets and merchandise like hot cakes – Denver will show up for any and as many teams that are winning or doing something exciting, and are quick to abandon teams that aren’t doing so (Broncos last season, Avalanche right now). The apathy is almost more dangerous than fans getting angry – at least angry fans are still invested.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 12:54 PM MST up reply actions
Denver will show up for any and as many teams that are winning
This is the important thing and I’m prety sure it rings true 100% of the time unlike many cites. Just make the team win, the fans will show up.
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 13, 2011 12:56 PM MST up reply actions
Exactly
There’s a very small core base of fans that will show up no matter what, and then there’s everyone else that will spend their money when the sun is shining and quickly forget during rebuilding/losing seasons.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 12:57 PM MST up reply actions
So what you are all saying is that Denver is a big bunch of bandwagoners.
I agree. At least in regard to the Rockies.
I think
a lot of it is due to the fact that there is no legacy for Denver sports (except for the Broncos), and additionally you see a lot of recent transplants in CO.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 3:12 PM MST up reply actions
It absolutely would be.
The criticism is deserved, as would be the measure of forgiveness they would get if they pull off something like this.
Best tweet of the year
by far. now go spend it. wisely
by CarloWitzki on Dec 13, 2011 12:51 PM MST up reply actions
I would very much like to see Carlos Beltran in a Rockies uniform
That is all.
Jason Giambi for player-manager in 2012!
How the world will end in 2012: George of the Roses builds a Machine that Pommels everyone with La Violencia during Whiteouts.
Earlier today, a person close to Cuddyer said that Cuddyer would make his decision in the next three or four days. This news with Willingham could speed up that timetable.
Also, Twins officials have described their latest overture to Cuddyer as a final offer without specifically using those words, suggesting this is as far as they’re willing to go.
Check out the comments below.
Ya know when you're on that tube ride that floats down some river at an amusment park?
The one that has waterfalls and spins so only one person gets hit with it?
I feel like we’re on that right now, and I also think we’re in the wrong seat.
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 13, 2011 12:53 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Wow
I wonder if those are the Minnesota equivalent of the DP commenters, or if that’s a real sentiment there and Cuddyer’s going to be their version of Wiggy.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 12:55 PM MST up reply actions
Rosenthal
Sources: #Twins still on Willingham. #Indians also believed in mix. #Rays, #Rockies out. #MLB
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Almost rather have Willy than Cuddy but oh well, not too much difference in cost and Cuddy adds to matchupZzZzZzZzZzZzZzZzZzZzZz
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 13, 2011 12:57 PM MST up reply actions
Okay
one down, one to go, then Beltran will be our only target.
It also just occurred to me that the Rockies might be manufacturing interest in Willy and Cuddy to take a few teams out of the Beltran sweepstakes.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 12:56 PM MST up reply actions
yes yes yes, exactly.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Dec 13, 2011 2:30 PM MST up reply actions
If this is true
And Cuddyer goes to the Twins……………………………………………………..
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 13, 2011 12:57 PM MST up reply actions
I feel as if we need to temper our expectations and excitement as DoD has been known to completely stomp on it over the past few years
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Didn't he just sign Tulo and Cargo to long term deals last offseason?
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 13, 2011 12:59 PM MST up reply actions
No
DOD doesn’t ever do anything good for anybody. He sucks. I hate him because everyone’s underperformed.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 1:00 PM MST up reply actions
Purple Row is an alternate universe where the 2011 offseason never happened. Except for the Wigginton signing, unfortunately.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
The Jose Lopez for Chaz Roe trade also happened.
I’m reasonably certain of that as often as I’m reminded of it.
Out of curiosity, when was the last time the Rockies signed a big name FA when there were other suitors?
I don’t know who it would be, hopefully there’s been somebody since Hampton.
It depends on how big of a name. Jorge De La Rosa could actually qualify for this.
He was one of the top two or three SP’s last season, it would be something akin to the Rockies signing Edwin Jackson or Kuroda this year.
What about a FA that wasn't currently on the roster?
(i.e., had been on a different team at the end of the season)
That probably would be Hampton
The Rockies did sign a few past their prime used-to-be big names like Shawn Estes, but none that were really near the peak of their fame.
We haven't even signed somebody like Cuddyer, either, though.
Either way it will be a bit of a precedent for this FO.
this offseason so far is much different than the typical ones around here
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we would still have enough money for beltran!!
cuddyer at 3b, beltran rf!
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What I said at the beginning of the offseason.
yea!
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Dec 13, 2011 2:32 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah, it'll be a disappointment if we lose our FA virginity to someone like Cuddyer.
IMO, anyway. I’d rather have a low payroll this year and get somebody worthwhile next year.
JDLR
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 13, 2011 1:07 PM MST up reply actions
Maybe he didn’t stomp on them, but stuff never goes exactly how we would like it
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 13, 2011 1:15 PM MST up reply actions
I think the cooler thing...
is the writer from Venezuela who covers the Rockies. That’s pretty neat.
meh, they’re just having a staring contest.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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At least it's not with Dinger.
His career would then begin to rapidly decline until he’s non-tendered.
The off-season sucks.
That is all.
rockies out on willingham
Sources: #Twins still on Willingham. #Indians also believed in mix. #Rays, #Rockies out. #MLB
ken rosenthal
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I really don't feel like Beltran
fits super well in St Louis because of what they think and what Allen Craig is. Berkman to first so Craig can step right in, right handed power bat that is const controlled
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Cardinals are gonna sign Fielder to play RF while Craig is out.
Worked last year, why not give it another shot?
Dear Santa,
It’s RIRF. I know that after you gave me a Tulo last Christmas I said I would never ask for anything again, but I’ve been a really good boy this year and would still like a small present. I supported the Rockies all the way to the end (Even in September when the Tulo you gave me broke) and would like just a little reward for that. So for this year, I want a used Carlos Beltran. I know I can’t have the one that hit a HR every other at bat in the 04 postseason, but if it’s not too much trouble, I’d really like the one that the Mets and Giants used last year and decided they didn’t want anymore.
Love, RIRF
P.S. – This will be waiting for you…..
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 13, 2011 1:17 PM MST reply actions 10 recs
I think Beltran makes loads of sense with Colorado, from Beltran's POV
hold out for a 3-4 year deal and make less total money, or take a shot with Colorado on a 2/25 deal? It seems that no team is really willing to commit to Beltran long term, and signing with us gives Beltran a chance to really build some value again. He’s 35-36 for this deal, and if it goes well, he could really score well with his last free agent deal. Maybe even a 3rd year player option really completes the deal in Beltran’s favor.
Your 2012 Colorado Rockies:freshly exorcised from Ty Wigginton
I certainly won't complain though if we sign Cuddyer, though obviously Beltran would be teh awesome
Your 2012 Colorado Rockies:freshly exorcised from Ty Wigginton
Is that a bad thing?
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It meas
Willingham will most likely go to the Twins, which means we are in the running for Cuddyer.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 1:24 PM MST up reply actions
Which isn't the worst thing of all time
But if we’re going to overpay for an OF who’s older than 30, I’d like it to be Beltran.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 1:25 PM MST up reply actions
If you were rooting for...
Willingham to CLE, Cuddyer to MIN, and Beltran to COL…
yeah.
But it ain’t over now.
I'm confused as to why this is bad?
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see nkrause's post above
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The Rockies supposedly want either Beltran or Cuddyer.
The Twins are going after Willingham, and if they sign him then they won’t sign Cuddyer, leaving us as his most prominent suitor.
because it's poop
and it’s on a stick?
The off-season sucks.
That is all.
by DAWNMARIE01 on Dec 13, 2011 1:45 PM MST up reply actions 6 recs
well from rosenthals previous tweet it was down to the twins and indians
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Agent Matt Sosnick told Joe Christensen of the Minneapolis Star Tribune that Josh Willingham “has three viable options” available to him.
The Indians are out. That makes it two.
Your 2012 Colorado Rockies:freshly exorcised from Ty Wigginton
unless that mystery team is us!
PRMLB - Tampa Bay Rays
Sources: #Twins still on Willingham. #Indians also believed in mix. #Rays, #Rockies out.
Your 2012 Colorado Rockies:freshly exorcised from Ty Wigginton
True
If the Indians are out, I want the Twins to sign Cuddyer and for the Braves to get involved with Willingham. Haven’t they been crying about a RH outfielder for how long?
Your 2012 Colorado Rockies:freshly exorcised from Ty Wigginton
Which seems to be the case.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Dec 13, 2011 2:33 PM MST up reply actions
I can totally see how this is going to go
1) Willingham goes to Twins
2) Cuddyer goes to Rockies
3) Beltran goes to some team I don’t like.
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 13, 2011 1:25 PM MST up reply actions
ugh, this is the way i see it falling too
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3rd team ends up getting Lance Berkman rebound type production out of Beltran, Rockies get mediocre production for their investment
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 13, 2011 1:28 PM MST up reply actions
fixed
3rd team ends up getting Lance Berkman rebound type production out of Beltran, Rockies get mediocre a more expensive slightly better ty wigginton production for their investment
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Beltran's not "rebounding" from anything...
His OPS was over .900 last year.
The team
in condition 3) is probably the team we will play in a critical game at the end of the season, and Beltran will hit a walk off home run against us, crushing our playoff hopes and dreams. Please, RIRF, don’t remember this comment when it happens.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 1:26 PM MST up reply actions
Or Beltran takes a called strike 3 curveball again with the bases loaded?
Your 2012 Colorado Rockies:freshly exorcised from Ty Wigginton
No
That will only happen if he signs with us
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 1:30 PM MST up reply actions
Only if 2011 luck repeats
Your 2012 Colorado Rockies:freshly exorcised from Ty Wigginton
It'll just be
carry-over from 2011 luck because this Beltran deal is going down this year. If we can postpone the deal until January, he’ll be a silver slugger.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 1:32 PM MST up reply actions
the worst part about that was
he carried them the whole postseason
arenado: it's Rockie for future
During that series yes
But he was just Okay in the Dodger series before it if I remember correctly.
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 13, 2011 2:54 PM MST up reply actions
correct
.222/.500/.222, 1 RBI, 1 SB
arenado: it's Rockie for future
Nobody can predict the end of the Rockies chances in 2012.
Therefore this can’t happen
Avalance 2011-12 season, Mission 45 Wins.
Get well soon Juan.
He remembers EVERYTHING
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That is brilliant!
Inspector Spacetime , even?
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3) Beltran goes to some team I don’t like.
Braves!!
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
If you're "right" about this
Like you were about everything else we’ve discussed today, I’m going to punch you.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 2:35 PM MST up reply actions
I haven't been "right" on anything, really
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Dec 13, 2011 2:52 PM MST up reply actions
Well
1) That we’d pursue Beltran
2) That this offseason would be different
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 2:54 PM MST up reply actions
Well. . .
I hoped we’d pursue Beltran.
And yeah, I was right about the offseason approach. I thought it was evident from that conference meeting with O’Dowd and Dick.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Dec 13, 2011 3:06 PM MST up reply actions
Renck saying...
Willingham, Cuddyer nearing decisions. Rockies have been in on both players. They have liked pitcher Joe Saunders, a new FA, as well
What if Willingham and Cuddyer both accept the Twins' offers?
Is that even possible, or would they only sign one of them?
The Twins said they had enough money to sign one of Cuddyer/Kubel
Your 2012 Colorado Rockies:freshly exorcised from Ty Wigginton
The Hammer
The Indians are out on Josh Willingham, reports Ken Rosenthal of FoxSports.com.
Either we’ve just been given Willingham’s next destination, or things just got a whole lot more confusing. To recap: Willingham’s agent, Matt Sosnick, said three teams were in on his client earlier in the day Tuesday. The three teams were believed to be the Twins, which Sosnick confirmed, and the Indians and Rockies were believed to be the other two. Rosenthal has since reported that the Indians, Rays and Rockies are out of the race, while the Twins remain in it. What have we learned? Either the Twins are Willingham’s destination, or they are bidding against the always-intriguing “mystery team.” Gentleman start your hash tags.
#SiouxCityExplorers
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 13, 2011 1:35 PM MST up reply actions
We can't wait on the Braves forever
Sign a stud OF, then see where the rest of the market falls.
Some days, I feel like I’ve accidentally entered the Church of Tulowitzki on Baseball Easter.
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We haven't given up, persay.
But nothing’s gonna happen on that front unless the Braves lower their asking price.
I don't think that makes you the grammar police, per se
more like the spelling police… :-)
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
In line for seats at the Grand Junction Rockies 2012 home opener
by Junction Rox on Dec 13, 2011 1:43 PM MST up reply actions
A latin spelling police
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
From Rosenthal..
Sources: #Twins front-runner for Willingham. Talks still fluid. Cuddyer remains on Twins’ radar. #MLB
Renck
If Willingham goes to Twins, it would help Rockies get Cuddyer. He has been their target since the day the season ended
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I want Beltran
I want Beltran
I want Beltran
I want Beltran
I want Beltran
I want Beltran
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 13, 2011 1:32 PM MST up reply actions
I'm sorry, you want who?
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megatron
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 13, 2011 1:34 PM MST up reply actions
Ohhhhh okay then
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I know, right?
This could be an awesome Christmas.
Or we could wind up getting the Cuddyer sweater from Grandma. You know, the one with dinosaurs on it that’s two sizes too small.
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No no no Willingham is the sweater
Cuddyer is a fruitcake.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 1:34 PM MST up reply actions
Why does everyone hate fruitcake?
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wow. Perfect.
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Tough competition though
There’s a lot of green comments out there today
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 13, 2011 1:56 PM MST up reply actions
Well I understand how Pebbles could be a close 2nd....
Pebbles understands too.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
by wolf213 on Dec 13, 2011 2:00 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
is pebbles an akita?
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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 13, 2011 2:09 PM MST up reply actions
invisipitch
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 13, 2011 2:11 PM MST up reply actions
No
but he’s got one green eye and one brown one, and that throws people off.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 13, 2011 2:12 PM MST up reply actions
Wife wanted a Shiba Inu..semi expensive aren’t they?
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 13, 2011 2:10 PM MST up reply actions
You can find them from $300 to $700
They are great dogs, a little bit head strong however.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
All of these pictures really owned my computer.
damn you all
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Dec 13, 2011 2:53 PM MST up reply actions
In the words of Jim Gaffigan, it's because the name makes it sound like it should be good.
Fruit=good
Cake=good
Fruitcake? Nasty crap.
How many more cake jokes is this guy gonna do?
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 1:41 PM MST up reply actions
Did someone say cake
/fatpandafallingcake.gif
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I want Beltran
(Clap clap clap-clap-clap)
I want Beltran
(Clap clap clap-clap-clap)
I want Beltran
(Clap clap clap-clap-clap)
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 1:34 PM MST up reply actions
If we get Cuddyer, does he bat 5th? Behind Tulo? L, R, R 3,4,5?
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 13, 2011 1:33 PM MST up reply actions
To hell with Jim Tracy and his lineups.
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by Muzia on Dec 13, 2011 1:34 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
To hell with Jim Tracy and his lineups.
2011 - not even light can escape
by Rosenort on Dec 13, 2011 1:53 PM MST up reply actions 3 recs
To hell Philadelphia with Jim Tracy
Avalance 2011-12 season, Mission 45 Wins.
Get well soon Juan.
by Thnikkaman on Dec 13, 2011 1:54 PM MST up reply actions 4 recs
No
He plays 2B and bats right. That way the lineup goes R, L, R at the 2-3-4 spots and then left again behind that with Helton/Giambi. C’mon man, this is so simple.
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 13, 2011 1:46 PM MST up reply actions
If cuddyer could play 2b or 3b without being an embarrassment
I would be ok with getting him. Getting him to replace Smith doesn’t make to much since to me.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
Could somebody get on the hook to O'Dowd and show him some of those WAR graphs?
I’m confused why we’d target Cuddyer over Beltran.
I'm sure this is correct.
I’m not a huge fan of our FO’s idea of “positional versatility.”
Especially with Jim Tracy as our manager.
Which is silly.
Because with Arenado flying through the system, Cuddyer is going to play one position: RF.
Get Beltran.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Dec 13, 2011 2:37 PM MST up reply actions
he can't
he’s like deaf or something in his left ear
arenado: it's Rockie for future
huh?
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what?
68 today, 67 tomorrow is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
Oh gawd I remember that,
Less versatility.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 13, 2011 2:55 PM MST up reply actions
3B this year, moves into 1B next year with some time in RF
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Beltran could move to 1B next season, too.
I really don’t see a problem
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 13, 2011 2:56 PM MST up reply actions
mickey did it
arenado: it's Rockie for future
Mickey who?
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Exactly
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Junction Rox on Dec 13, 2011 2:58 PM MST up reply actions
i dunno
some guy, i think he was a switch hitter with trick knees too
arenado: it's Rockie for future
Renck
As for Beltran, he would be a great fit. Issue is health. Can he stay on the field at Coors Field? If can, great sign.
no shit sherlock
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 13, 2011 1:34 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Can someone explain to me why "Issue is health" with Beltran
but is more overlooked with Cuddyer/Willingham when Beltran played more games than either one of them last season?
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 13, 2011 1:49 PM MST up reply actions
renck might be a little busy to put a lot of thought into his tweets
Full disclosure, I am involved in another project right now, so not following this minute-by-minute.
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I think it has to deal with the Mets giving him $120 million dollars
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 13, 2011 1:53 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
09-10 seasons were pretty bad.
and the whole “no cartilage in the knee, he won’t be able to handle Coors’ outfield”
Ugh.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Dec 13, 2011 2:38 PM MST up reply actions
Hey guys
I heard we are interested in Beltran!
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Where did Pujols sign again?
I thought I read something about it before
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That's silly
There’s no such thing as an Expo. It’s almost as absurd as a Phillie.
Your 2012 Colorado Rockies:freshly exorcised from Ty Wigginton
I want to know how a sock plays baseball
Both black and red.
Your 2012 Colorado Rockies:freshly exorcised from Ty Wigginton
white**
Your 2012 Colorado Rockies:freshly exorcised from Ty Wigginton
No, Hawpe was put on waivers.
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wait when did this happen?!?!?
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I'm not sure....but it's a fact.
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Man, what's the holdup?
We heard about this about 5 hours ago on the internet. That’s like 8 years in real time. S*** or get off the pot, Rockies.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 13, 2011 1:55 PM MST up reply actions
#MademeChuckle
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 13, 2011 1:56 PM MST up reply actions
I read that as Madam Chuckle
Which, in turn, #mademechuckle
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 1:57 PM MST up reply actions
Madam Chuckle would class things up a bit around here, that's for sure.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 13, 2011 1:57 PM MST up reply actions
Only
if she’s a lesbian bratwurst with one of those fancy buns
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 1:58 PM MST up reply actions
Guess a regular
lesbian all beef hotdog with natural casings on a plain white bun in a hat isn’t enough for you :(
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That sounds delicious
Haven’t had non-seefood meat since Friday.
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Get well soon Juan.
Is she in cahoots with Professor Elemental?
Avalance 2011-12 season, Mission 45 Wins.
Get well soon Juan.
maybe they took some immodium
and are having problems going now…
Perhaps some fiber would help stir things up…
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That really blows
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I think my least favorite phrase in sports now is "he would be a great fit"
And trust me, it takes a lot to beat out “at the end of the day.”
Your 2012 Colorado Rockies:freshly exorcised from Ty Wigginton
But at the end of the day, he would be a great fit...
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Junction Rox on Dec 13, 2011 1:45 PM MST up reply actions
arggghhhhhh
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My favorite is when white football/basketball players get termed “more athletic than you think”
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 13, 2011 1:53 PM MST up reply actions
“has great length”
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white defensive line players have a “relentless motor”
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 13, 2011 1:55 PM MST up reply actions
“intangibles”
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Rox definitely not team that is close on willingham.Their interest has seemed overstated. Rox do have interest in cuddyer, beltran, saunders
Do we want saunders?
on a one year deal, sure
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Hammer the Sequel
The Twins are the front-runner for Josh Willingham, reports Ken Rosenthal of FoxSports.com.
We knew as much from Rosenthal’s earlier reports, though RoboThal adds that “talks (are) still fluid” and “(Michael) Cuddyer remains on Twins’ radar.” Rosenthal has eliminated all known interested parties in Willingham, leaving just the Twins, unless an unidentified suitor is about to swoop in. There’s been plenty of smoke surrounding Willingham this afternoon, so expect an announcement of his signing soon.
It's funny to me that yesterday Andrew Martin was writing as though he was really taking the contrarian stance
by being anti-Cuddyer, yet that seems to be the pretty heavy consensus at Purple Row. I’d rather have Beltran too, but if Cuddyer has to sign for less because Minnesota pulls their offer, I don’t see that as too bad a thing at all, given that I still see Beltran as somewhat of a pipe dream. Remember, the Rockies never actually put an offer on the table for Cuddyer. He might have waited too long and risks losing his leverage here.
So something may actually work out because the Rockies waited around and did nothing?
I think this may be the first real sign that /2011 is over…
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If we can get him for the Twins offer
I’m cool with that.
Your 2012 Colorado Rockies:freshly exorcised from Ty Wigginton
Yesterday Beltran didn't seem possible
This has changed our expectations
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 13, 2011 1:52 PM MST up reply actions
renck
Rox definitely not team that is close on willingham.Their interest has seemed overstated. Rox do have interest in cuddyer, beltran, saunders
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Well sorry, I just saw in on my twitter feed. Apologies to everyone
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I know! It's like no one reads :)
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What si this readaing thing you speak of.
I’m illiterate.
Avalance 2011-12 season, Mission 45 Wins.
Get well soon Juan.
There we go
Beltran missed lot of time over last few yrs RT @zmiko: Why is health issue bigger w beltran than cuddyer? Beltran played more games last yr
Someone sign Cuddyer, Willingham, and Beltran
I have finals to study for :)
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Oakland Athletics.
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haha its funny because its true
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A's are going to be oh so terrible next year.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Dec 13, 2011 2:57 PM MST up reply actions
Who bats leadoff? Todd Helton high OBP and great speed?
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 13, 2011 1:59 PM MST up reply actions
#BlackStreetBomberRevival?
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 13, 2011 2:01 PM MST up reply actions
#Smarta**
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 13, 2011 2:04 PM MST up reply actions
Hey, C --
Willingham to the Braves? I heard at one point that he wanted to go back closer to home… which just so happens to be around Georgia, right? Are they the mystery team?
power RH OF bat
sure makes some sense to me
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“he would be a great fit there”
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 13, 2011 2:02 PM MST up reply actions
“more athletic than you would think”
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more athletic than he looks.
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He would probably show up to spring training in the best shape of his career
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 13, 2011 2:03 PM MST up reply actions
And he's changed his off-season diet
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 2:05 PM MST up reply actions
Spent some time with Tulo and Giambi watching Bieber videos in Vegas.
The off-season sucks.
That is all.
Doubt it.
But “mystery” fits Wren to a tee. He doesn’t give much of anything to the media until a deal is done.
I hope it’s not, but I suppose it’s possible.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
OT:
Anyone know of a good balm or lotion for hands that in winter dry out and crack like so many hopes for the 2011 season?
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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 13, 2011 2:05 PM MST reply actions
Udder Balm
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Burts Bees Hand Salve
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by SurfaceThought on Dec 13, 2011 2:06 PM MST up reply actions
Heavy duty stuff, pretty greasy, best applied at night after you will have to be working any doornobs
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by SurfaceThought on Dec 13, 2011 2:07 PM MST up reply actions
Just put socks on your hands
after you apply the salve
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 2:08 PM MST up reply actions
Perfectly normal thing to do
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I <3 Johnson
by SurfaceThought on Dec 13, 2011 2:08 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Hmm, might not be best for me.
How am I going to use my gun if there is an intruder?
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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 13, 2011 2:08 PM MST up reply actions
With great slipperiness
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by SurfaceThought on Dec 13, 2011 2:09 PM MST up reply actions
Shoot yourself. That’ll scare them away.
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bag balm
it got a picture of cows on it. its what farmers use (yes of udders, but mostly their hands)
The Big Purple Machine will make a believer outta you!
by El Paso Jeff on Dec 13, 2011 2:06 PM MST up reply actions
Might have to try that.
thanks.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 13, 2011 2:08 PM MST up reply actions
Gold Bond
Healing formula. Truly heaven sent IMHO. I suffer from almost reptilian scaly skin in these dry winters, and it works miracles. Fairly inexpensive too for such a miracle cream. Can’t testify to anything else, but they might work too.
I miss the magic. (h/t papality)
Neutrogena Swiss Formula
Works wonders on my hands that age twenty years every week I’m in Wyoming outside.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 13, 2011 2:47 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Harding, better late than never
Sources confirm Rox’s interest in Beltran
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The real question is
Does Rox’s interest in Beltran > Rox’s interest in Cuddyer?
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 2:06 PM MST up reply actions
I'm interested to know.
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Best part of Harding's blog
That outfielder, however, will not be Josh Willingham, whose name has been connected with the Rockies in recent days. Willingham’s agent, Matt Sosnick, said Willingham’s decision is down to three teams but the Rockies are not one of them, and Rockies sources say they have not been in on Willingham.
I’m reading into this a little more than needs be, but there were three teams. Minnesota, Cleveland, and not the Rockies. Like someone was stating above, the third team is a mystery team — maybe the Braves. He’s not a lock for the Twins yet.
Indians are out, according to some reports.
So that leaves mystery team and Minnesota.
Go mystery team!
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Dec 13, 2011 2:42 PM MST up reply actions
Have any teams shown interest in signing Yoenis Cespedes yet?
And if so what sort of dollars are being kicked around?
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If it truly is down to the Rockies and the Twins for Cuddyer
Then I really hope Cuddyer takes these Rockies/Beltran rumors seriously and takes the Twins offer and beats Willingham to the punch. Cuddyer stands to lose a truckload of money if this breaks bad for him – i.e. Willingham to Minnesota and Beltran to Colorado.
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 13, 2011 2:12 PM MST reply actions
EY2 will probably start in LF next year
Smith will be traded for a PTBNL
and Jonathon "LOLSPARKPLUGZLOL" Herrera will start 2B.
might as well give out those WS rings now.
I'll bet you any amount of money that isn't the case
Jason Giambi for player-manager in 2012!
How the world will end in 2012: George of the Roses builds a Machine that Pommels everyone with La Violencia during Whiteouts.
“cash considerations”
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Ahhhhhh ha ha ha ha ha
Thanks for the intimacy*, don’t forget your gift bag.
*I really made this cleaner than I wanted to.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 13, 2011 2:38 PM MST reply actions
He broke up with Minka in the summer and is definitely over her.
HOW DARE HE
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also he has herpes
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1) Meet Derek Jeter
2) ???
3) Receive gift basket
4) Profit
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1. Meet Derek Jeter
2. Punch Him In the Face
3. Profit.
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by hotdoglady on Dec 13, 2011 2:43 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Getting arrested
sounds way more appealing than sleeping with him to get a gift basket.
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what if the gift basket was wimmer's weiners and pickles?
you know, real personal like.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 13, 2011 2:49 PM MST up reply actions
Still not worth slseeping with him.
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or sleeping with him.
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That line about “his friends bring girls they think he would like” gets me.
“Derek needs a girl who understands the binary language of moisture evaporators.”
“Uncle Owen, how about that one?”
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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 13, 2011 2:45 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
So basically, they bring girls that are breathing?
And hot, I suppose. Probably just about as much of a requirement as breathing…
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by Junction Rox on Dec 13, 2011 2:47 PM MST up reply actions
"sorry about my terrible reach"
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
Luftfeuchtigkeitsregler über alles.
by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 13, 2011 4:14 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Dontrelle Willis has signed with the Phillies
He will be in the bullpen
68 today, 67 tomorrow is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training.
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Link
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AiFgYcx1SGHidM4dbY9OLisRvLYF?slug=ap-phillies-willis
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Cuddyer’s original asking price was 3 yrs, $36 mill. Still looking for 3 yrs, $30 mill. Twins still in on him, too
Please Twins
make my dreams come true
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 3:10 PM MST up reply actions
i remember when i wanted to overpay michael cuddyer
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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 13, 2011 3:13 PM MST up reply actions
More on Beltran
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Best case scenario: Braves sign Willingham, Twins sign Cuddyer, we sign Beltran
Rockies trade Seth Smith and Chris Nelson to the Reds for Juan Francisco + reliever/upside A ball prospect, then send TIm Wheeler/Charlie Blackmon + Juan Francisco for Martin Prado. Rockies then use leftover money to acquire a starting pitcher.
Unlikely to happen, sure, but everyone gets what they want here.
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I didn't mean to include Nelson
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And then an OF gets hurt
and we really wish we had Smith, Wheeler or Blackmon back.
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Junction Rox on Dec 13, 2011 3:05 PM MST up reply actions
In this scenario we'd trade Wheeler OR Blackmon with Francisco for Prado.
Not both.
At least, that’s what I assume he meant by the slash.
You are right
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Ah, I misread that...
sorry
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by Junction Rox on Dec 13, 2011 3:10 PM MST up reply actions
Well.....we'd have Colvin and one of Wheeler/Blackmon in this scenario
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 13, 2011 3:07 PM MST up reply actions
hey, how many bats the chest have you taken?
arenado: it's Rockie for future
He's totally going to be good.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Dec 13, 2011 3:13 PM MST up reply actions
I think we have confirmation that the Indians are out on Willingham.
This was tweeted by Cleveland’s GM:
Mark Shapiro @MarkShapiro
@Brownsfan1623 Willingham’s bat a perfect fit but defensive fit was not good.
Doubt he’d Tweet that if they were still going after him.
Troy Renck, Rockies
RT @DenverSportNews: #Rockies now targeting Carlos Beltran as they wait on Michael Cuddyer
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 3:14 PM MST reply actions
Did Renck write this?
Nothing new then. I haven’t seen any new tweets from Renck
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Dec 13, 2011 3:16 PM MST up reply actions
We're getting Alonso, too??
Awesome!!
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by Junction Rox on Dec 13, 2011 3:21 PM MST up reply actions
Totally!
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by Junction Rox on Dec 13, 2011 3:23 PM MST up reply actions
I threw him in CF once
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no errors!
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psh, you aint got shit
i once played francisco cervelli in center field
arenado: it's Rockie for future
Ramon Hernandez was a CF defensive sub.
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latin
fiery
arenado: it's Rockie for future
Who in the world did he replace?
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by Junction Rox on Dec 13, 2011 3:26 PM MST up reply actions
Juan Francisco :(
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I'm going to drive home now
And when I get there, I better open my computer and see that we’ve landed Beltran.
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 13, 2011 3:16 PM MST up reply actions
fire away!
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YESSSSSSSSSS
DenverSportNews: #Rockies now targeting Carlos Beltran as they wait on Michael Cuddyer: dpo.st/vP5LtS fromTroyRenck
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Dammit
DenverSportNews: #Rockies now targeting Carlos Beltran as they wait on Michael Cuddyer: dpo.st/vP5LtS from@TroyRenck
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Almost there.... almost there...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 3:15 PM MST up reply actions 9 recs
I just broke out hysterically laughing in my dorm at this
Thank you XD
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me also
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but at work
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thank goodness its only me and another guy.
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PERFECT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
REC’D!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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WE'RE TOO CLOSE
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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 13, 2011 3:18 PM MST up reply actions
DAN, YOU'VE TURNED YOUR TARGETING COMPUTER OFF!
arenado: it's Rockie for future
Just like slopping hogs
back in Beggar’s canyon
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 3:21 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
TWSS
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I like the part where Luke refused to leave his wingman.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 13, 2011 3:30 PM MST up reply actions
Well the Rockies are the rebels
And Davish is Ian Stewart
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 3:20 PM MST up reply actions
2011 is Ian Stewart.
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And
Beltran is Han and Chewie on the Millennium falcon coming out of f***ing nowhere
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 3:22 PM MST up reply actions
Terry Francona is the Millennium Falcon
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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 13, 2011 3:23 PM MST up reply actions
Jim Tracy is totally Emperor Palpatine.
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by MattBerger on Dec 13, 2011 3:24 PM MST up reply actions 3 recs
YES. GOOD. FUNNEL YOUR SPECIALNESS
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by SurfaceThought on Dec 13, 2011 3:25 PM MST up reply actions 3 recs
That's giving Tracy far too much credit
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Jim Tracy is Grand Moff Tarkin
Jason Giambi for player-manager in 2012!
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by free7694 on Dec 13, 2011 5:01 PM MST up reply actions 3 recs
Russ really did a number on this blog...
I knew I never should have let him share power back in the day…
Oh Darnit!
I thought this exact thing earlier today, but I couldn’t remember what Grand Moff Tarkins name was.
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by SurfaceThought on Dec 13, 2011 5:06 PM MST up reply actions
Colvin & LeMahieu
are C3PO and R2D2?
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by Junction Rox on Dec 13, 2011 3:24 PM MST up reply actions
I was going to say
Spilly and Street are totally our comedic relief… then I had a sad.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 3:34 PM MST up reply actions
Ironic statement is ironic
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There so needs to be a gif of this
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let's not get too far ahead of ourselves...
just have RIRF note that though, so Amart can hook us up later
arenado: it's Rockie for future
....easy Chewie.
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Who're you calling scruffy-looking?
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Scene: Carlos Gonzalez hits a walkoff homerun in the 12th inning of Game 7 of the World Series off of Joe Nathan.
Beltran: “GREAT SHOT, KID! THAT WAS ONE IN A MILLION!”
Poor Porkins :(
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I've decided that Twitter is constantly a big fat tease.
by holly96 on Dec 13, 2011 3:27 PM MST reply actions 2 recs
yup.
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NOT TODAY
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Sounds like my kind of woman.
So sorry for this.
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Get well soon Juan.
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This changes EVERYTHING
Twitter is a writers dream, you can write whatever you want to create excitement and get attention yet you don’t have to back it up
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 13, 2011 3:29 PM MST up reply actions
Oh, it's not just that.
I don’t really have much issue with that aspect. I take tweets for what they’re worth. I’m mostly referring to when I have new tweets and there’s anticipation and then I click the button to load them and it’s nothing at all interesting or related.
/offseasonrockpilecommentsfromfi#2
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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 13, 2011 3:43 PM MST up reply actions
i look away for 1 minute and then there are 7 new tweets and i think something big must have broken
but really its just Jim Cramer going crazy at the end of the trading day
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Seriously.
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Rogers seems to be having a good Winter season
#Rockies RHP Esmil Rogers has 3.18 ERA for Tigres del Licey in DR Winter League. Team in 2nd place. atmlb.com/vWw2qT
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okay then, maybe you don't
because as we both probably see, who can we say with certainty is a better option at this point?
Yep, and given his control struggles last season
I could see Rogers passing him too, if he’s figured out how to not tip his pitches.
right along with my posts about EY2 and Herrera above.
It’s the perfect situation. Can’t wait.
Told you he is awesome.
ON WITH THE ARMS RACE
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 13, 2011 3:33 PM MST up reply actions
I'm really excited to see what he can do in the bullpen for a full season
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I don't see him beating out other starters
I really see the two open bullpen spots filling up as Rogers + FA,probably Sherill.
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Moylan?
Atlanta just non tendered him.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 13, 2011 3:41 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Rogers at the end of the season wasn't that dissimilar to White.
I think he’s about as certain as any of them, and his stuff goes toe to toe with any of them save maybe Pomeranz, who is the least experienced of the bunch and Nicasio, who’s the most iffy right now due to injury. I think you’re selling Rogers short if he’s closed up his delivery a bit to hide his pitch.
It's just too easy
To see him pumping out 96 mph heaters for 2 innings at a time
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But Rogers "stuff" fits in the bullpen.
Moreso than any of our other starters.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Dec 13, 2011 3:47 PM MST up reply actions
I think White's stuff fits just as well there, frankly.
It depends on Rogers’ delivery. If it’s the same or close to it, he’s the better bet to be in the pen, but if he’s corrected it, I really think it could go either way.
White has one huge advantage over Rogers that'll keep him further into games
His fastball moves. Rogers’ is as straight as an arrow.
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Not according to Pitch Fx
Rogers’ averages 7.4 inches of vertical break, White’s 6.2. White has the edge 4.9 to 4.0 in horizontal movement, but on the aggregate, both move about the same amount. Again, Rogers’ primary disadvantage is that he tips what he’s going to throw.
Is that 4-seam vs. 4-seam?
White has a 2-seam.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Dec 13, 2011 4:02 PM MST up reply actions
Both are listed as FA.
I think that’s two seam but I could be wrong. Also, Rogers has a bigger difference in speed between his fastball and his offspeed stuff.
No way.
White’s 2-seam has way more movement than Rogers’ 4-seam.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Dec 13, 2011 4:07 PM MST up reply actions
Hm. Really.
There’s no way this pitch moves more than these pitches. (the pitches he uses to strike out Blanks and the first batter)
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Dec 13, 2011 4:14 PM MST up reply actions
Anecdotal, a bit?
If you compare one of Greg Maddux’s worst pitches to a couple of Scott Elarton’s best, I’m sure Scott looks pretty good by comparison. It would be like saying Michael Cuddyer’s a great fielder based on one diving play, and that Carl Crawford’s terrible based on one miss.
Not really.
The one problem I see with my examples is that White was pitching at Petco, where the ball moves noticeably more than at Chase. However, White has a SINKER. How does that pitch not move more than Esmil’s 4-seam fastball? I’m honestly confused and would like an answer.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Dec 13, 2011 4:23 PM MST up reply actions
Since nobody else is answering, I'll go ahead and give you the ammo
you need to start beating my argument. The distinction of a sinker isn’t how much it breaks(not much compared to a 4-seam) but when it starts breaking (very late). This is why pitchers pitch them low in the strike zone, so that late break falls out , as otherwise it’s kind of a flat pitch and ineffective (see Aaron Cook last season.) This does give White a weapon Rogers doesn’t have, but at his best, Rogers’ 4-seamer has considerably more movement than White’s or any other 4-seamer on the staff.
I have a problem with the term "late breaking."
Now, I’m no pitching coach and probably have less experience with the actual practice of baseball than many here, but I do understand the physics of it and there isn’t any way for a pitcher to make the ball move later in the trajectory. It leaves his hand with a certain (measurable) initial velocity and spin, and those two quantities determine the trajectory.
I always just likened it to the way bowling balls take different amounts of time to ‘grip’ the lanes depending on the spin, trajectory, and oil…
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 13, 2011 5:58 PM MST up reply actions
I wonder how many people got the original reference.
I adapted a quote from Gob in Arrested Development when there was the big saber vs. pitcher wins debate a couple weeks ago. Now it seems to be a PR meme.
I don't know the physics
But I do know that “late break” is real. I have seen it many times from the mound, and a few times from the box. It might just all be in the batter’s head (or something) but it’s definitely there.
Foxes are naughties
I'm pretty sure it's all in the batter's head.
The direction that the baseball is moving changes more rapidly as it nears the plate, which is a big part of it.
I'm just describing it the way this guy did...
The guy also seems to know his physics and pitches, and says “late break.” That said, I don’t want to be too argumentative with you as I understand what you’re saying, and it’s probably a bad way of describing the effect, even though it’s the common way.
That's the 4 seam, White's 2 seam pitch moves less.
It helps him to have the opponent not knowing it’s coming.
I'll say it again
Rogers has a chance to be effective IF he uses the whole strike zone.
Throw some high gas from time to time, knock a few guys off balance, and stop trying to put everything at the knees. You can throw 97 – use it to your advantage, dammit.
by Northsider1964 on Dec 13, 2011 11:25 PM MST up reply actions
Hes the Rockies version of Matt Cain
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 13, 2011 3:39 PM MST up reply actions
so is Chacin we have 2 matt cains
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 13, 2011 3:39 PM MST up reply actions
2 Matt Cains > 1 Matt Cain
We win.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 13, 2011 3:42 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Ain’t moving him…he is a stud in the making BOOM
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 13, 2011 3:39 PM MST up reply actions
yup yup.
glad we agree.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Dec 13, 2011 3:47 PM MST up reply actions
Bullpen!
Sorry for the double posts, guys. I’m using a really slow computer. I just went through and deleted any useless programs (like Norton…ugh)
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Dec 13, 2011 3:53 PM MST up reply actions
woot woot.
Replaced Norton with Microsoft Security and deleted all those yucky, spacious programs just made this computer 10x faster. Wow
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 13, 2011 4:01 PM MST up reply actions
Norton is the devil
Parents had an old computer that would take 15 minutes to start up. Deleted Norton and it was up and going in 1.
by ShadowPenguin on Dec 13, 2011 4:09 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah.
This computer is pretty old, but is running like brand new now. Love it
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 13, 2011 4:14 PM MST up reply actions
Bullpen?
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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 13, 2011 3:48 PM MST up reply actions
I thought it was the MATTPEN!
What the hell?!
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what is c/x'ed?
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lawyers
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 13, 2011 3:40 PM MST up reply actions
trade him for Roy Halladay?
We got to find someone else to get Halladay
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Use Z.
It does the function of ‘c’ then ‘x’
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Shift + A
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Shift A
read everything, then z to see the new stuff
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No.
z jumps around -
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No
it works its way methodically down the thread until you reach the bottom then it jettisons you back to the unread comment closest to the top
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i just like practicing moving my pointer and middle finger back and forth rapidly.
by roxintober on Dec 13, 2011 3:40 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Keep those digits limber
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Boss Hogg?
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Go reply in the correct place now
you have me curious
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 3:37 PM MST up reply actions
Lox Shocked?
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by Junction Rox on Dec 13, 2011 3:43 PM MST up reply actions
cuddyer.
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Theriot anyone?
Understand Ryan Theriot just became a FA after the Cards released him. He has had some glory years in the past. Coudn’t he take up 2B for the Rox?
by Real Perspective on Dec 13, 2011 3:41 PM MST reply actions
"could"
He’s behind:
Prado
Scutaro
Keppinger
on my list.
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Wishin’
Hopin’
Thinkin’
Prayin’
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I'd love Keppinger + Prado
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Hell, I would be alright with that
As long as Prado does not turn out to available for whatever reason.
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by SurfaceThought on Dec 13, 2011 3:43 PM MST up reply actions
NO, I DO NOT WANT THERIOT ON MY BASEBALL TEAM.
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
Luftfeuchtigkeitsregler über alles.
by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 13, 2011 4:06 PM MST up reply actions
futility infielder
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
Luftfeuchtigkeitsregler über alles.
by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 13, 2011 4:09 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Bahahahahaha that's awesome
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l just returned from my P.T. and read thls amazlng thread.
So many “green comments”, cute dog plctures, hand lotlon remedles ,all whle waltlng to see lf we slgned Beltran….you all are fantastlc!!
In all things, it is better to hope than despair.
I haven't gotten a thing done at work today
Opened up this thread about 11:30 and that’s about all I’ve managed to accomplish. It’s been a good day here on Purple Row.
I miss the magic. (h/t papality)
it would be better if we sign Beltran
68 today, 67 tomorrow is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
So the food I have eaten = 1 taco since Sunday night.
Also, what should I eat now, since I am hungry.
Enchiladas!
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
Luftfeuchtigkeitsregler über alles.
by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 13, 2011 3:48 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
i work at a famous colorado mexican restaurant
not gonna eat enchiladas. thats probably what i eat 3 times a week.
Blue Bonnett?
Hacienda Colorado?
Casa Bonita?
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 3:51 PM MST up reply actions
Casa Bonita?
He said restaurant, dude.
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Cuba Cuba?
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
Luftfeuchtigkeitsregler über alles.
by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 13, 2011 4:02 PM MST up reply actions
Sources: Willingham near agreement with #Twins.
And here. we. go.
Your 2012 Colorado Rockies:freshly exorcised from Ty Wigginton
YAY
Wait, is this what we wanted?
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Target Beltran
Cuddyer as a backup. Easy.
Your 2012 Colorado Rockies:freshly exorcised from Ty Wigginton
The Twins aren't getting Beltran sorry
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"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK
That's our plan up there!
Your 2012 Colorado Rockies:freshly exorcised from Ty Wigginton
Well
Target is the stadium the Twins play in
"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK
Only good that comes out of this is Cuddyer would loose some leverage
Making him a bit cheaper…. Still would rather have Beltran.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
We have all leverage over Cuddyer
You want more money? Okay we’ll just take our 3 year offer away and sign Beltran.
Your 2012 Colorado Rockies:freshly exorcised from Ty Wigginton
Smart move by Twins here.
Signing Willingham and getting the compensation picks for losing Cuddyer.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Dec 13, 2011 4:28 PM MST up reply actions
agree, they never really should have been after Cuddyer in the first place given the added incentive to watch him leave.
But then again, maybe that’s why they gave him what they thought was a low-ball offer to his initial asking price, thinking he’d just turn them down and move on.
Closer ...
to Cuddyer? Aaaargh!
According to Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com, Josh Willingham “appears headed” to the Twins.
No word on the terms, but it’s likely less than the reported three-year, $24 million offer for Michael Cuddyer. Both are very similar players, but the benefit of Cuddyer signing elsewhere is that the Twins will receive two picks as compensation. Willingham, who turns 33 in February, batted .246/.332/.477 with 29 home runs, 98 RBI and an .810 OPS in 136 games this past season for the A’s.
They're amazing
When I went to a restaurant that had one, I didn’t sit down or drink a whole cup the whole time, I just kept trying different combinations. The only drawback is that the touch screen sucks. Like seriously, it’s horrendous.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 3:56 PM MST up reply actions
And rather un-hygenic
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which is why i only use my tongue to use smart phones.
by roxintober on Dec 13, 2011 3:58 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
LOLWUT?
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my thoughts exactly
68 today, 67 tomorrow is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
Oh my...lol
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
You think that's gross?
Wait until he’s done with the foreplay….
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Junction Rox on Dec 13, 2011 4:01 PM MST up reply actions
Holy cow, it works!
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by SurfaceThought on Dec 13, 2011 3:59 PM MST up reply actions
coke and orange fanta is delicious
Or as they call it across the pond “spezi”
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"Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est"
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 13, 2011 4:04 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Well aren't you intercontinental :)
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BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
not as much as I'd like to be
"Some guy on the net thinks I suck, and he should know - he's got his own blog." - Nick Hornby
"Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est"
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 13, 2011 4:06 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Someone explain the NBA to me
@nuggetsnews: Source said trade has been accepted: Rudy Fernandez and Corey Brewer to #Nuggets for a 2nd-round pick
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FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFf
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
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?
care to explain? Didn’t they just get those two players for essentially free?
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I dislike Rudy Fernandez with the fire of 500 suns
He’s a flopping flopper malcontent. BAD NEWS
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
He's a Spaniard. What do you expect?
and as long as he’s flopping for us…
But in all seriousness, I see where you're coming from.
He does come across as very immature.
even if its for a good cause, flopping makes me cringe
I like the NBA, but flopping is the single most annoying aspect of the game and the less I see of it – home team or not – the better.
Just a small town kid who thinks Coors Field on a sunny summer Saturday night is the best place to be on this or any other plane of existence. When a late-inning Todd Helton go-ahead homerun is added to this scenario, my brain melts.
Yeah, what?
This is a pretty darn great deal for the Nuggets… Unless this means they’re not getting Nene or something.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Dec 13, 2011 4:03 PM MST up reply actions
Basketball sucks and
BASEBALL RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
68 today, 67 tomorrow is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
I bet it has to do with the contracts of both players?
I mean, we did the same deal with Street
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"Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est"
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 13, 2011 4:05 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Not to mention
a draft pick in the NBA usually translates into much more immediate production than it does in baseball.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 4:06 PM MST up reply actions
yeah, but 2nd rounders in the NBA are essentially worthless.
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don't get your hopes up
seriously. don’t get them up.
I'm pretty sure basically everyone already has them up
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by SurfaceThought on Dec 13, 2011 4:15 PM MST up reply actions
twss
Just a small town kid who thinks Coors Field on a sunny summer Saturday night is the best place to be on this or any other plane of existence. When a late-inning Todd Helton go-ahead homerun is added to this scenario, my brain melts.
I'd guess that there is a 95% chance
Beltran doesn’t end up in LODO. Price is too high, DOD or ownership will see Cuddyer as the safer bet. I hope I’m dead wrong. The one thing we have going for us is that we won’t have to surrender a draft pick to get him. Other than that, I highly doubt we will get him.
**to avoid confusion
We won’t have to surrender a draft pick to get Cuddyer either
twss
Just a small town kid who thinks Coors Field on a sunny summer Saturday night is the best place to be on this or any other plane of existence. When a late-inning Todd Helton go-ahead homerun is added to this scenario, my brain melts.
Unless your hopes are up for Michael Cuddyer, like mine are...
because that’s seeming more likely to happen by the minute.
Yep, just like dating. Keep low expectations and you never get disappointed.
Tehehe.
I agree here.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Dec 13, 2011 4:17 PM MST up reply actions
Does anyone realize that this RP is right around 1150 comments?
Its only 4:15 PM! We might need an overflow.
68 today, 67 tomorrow is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
Did you all take a lunch break today?
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"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK
Yup
I broke to check the Rockpile around 11:40 and never went back to work
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 4:16 PM MST up reply actions
I got of PR about then
to go deal with my vehicle that was impounded last night
"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK
It's not my fault the elk was in the middle of the road
"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK
but they impounded it?
68 today, 67 tomorrow is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
The police had it towed
and I had to go get it (or get rid of it). Bad condition.
"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK
So you really hit an elk?
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as long as you are ok. Thats all that counts.
68 today, 67 tomorrow is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
I'm fine
the car and elk did not survive though
"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK
maybe Santa wll brlng you a new car !! Better get your letter malled :)
In all things, it is better to hope than despair.
damn.
tell me you kept the elk for meat?
68 today, 67 tomorrow is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
No
I didn’t want to try and go through the process of getting a permit for the elk. I also don’t have knowledge of how to clean it, although my dad does.
"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK
Well, hell, it took your car out. You should be able to take it home and eat it.
68 today, 67 tomorrow is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
I think I could have
but I would have also had to have gone and gotten a permit and done extra paperwork (on top of car paperwork) to get it. Not worth the hassle. Now I am just going to look for a new (used?) car.
"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK
Remind me never to have a car accident with you...
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Junction Rox on Dec 13, 2011 4:39 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah but you probably only taste like chicken
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
Only?
I would probably taste like really awesome fried chicken or something….
wait, I probably don’t want to advertise that..
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Junction Rox on Dec 13, 2011 4:45 PM MST up reply actions
Pictures
with more to come
https://picasaweb.google.com/jrockies/CarVsElk
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"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK
:( Sorry to hear that. But glad you're okay.
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
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Been here since 1:30 or so.
Been sitting here the whole time, since there is nothing else to do.
68 today, 67 tomorrow is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
Wow! By the length of the comment section I assumed we had signed cuddyer
45% chance of beltran
Some cute puppies
Realization of how much money we had
and a Good Nuggets deal
WAAAYYY BETTER
President of Baseball Operations for the PRMLB Atlanta Braves
You forgot the part
where we talked about Star Wars for a bit :-)
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 4:21 PM MST up reply actions
And the dislike of 2011
"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK
That's a part of every RP
President of Baseball Operations for the PRMLB Atlanta Braves
NOT TODAY
Oh wait… yes it is.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 4:23 PM MST up reply actions
I'm sure RIRF could prove me wrong
President of Baseball Operations for the PRMLB Atlanta Braves
40 people have made at least 10 comments in this thread
Not bad for a mid December without any moves made.
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 13, 2011 5:58 PM MST up reply actions
Anyone think Brooks Conrad as a MILB FA has some value?
President of Baseball Operations for the PRMLB Atlanta Braves
No
he’s worse than Stewart in my opinion
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JFK
I will take any living being on a minor league contract.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 13, 2011 4:29 PM MST up reply actions
as soon as someone hires me and Resolution as a GM team, I'll let you know.
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so
how about that ex-met
arenado: it's Rockie for future
Troy Renck, Rockies @Troy Renck
Rockies were never serious on Willingham, acc to team sources. But they have always wanted Cuddyer. Now the door is wide open to get him
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 4:42 PM MST reply actions
I hate this
I hate it so much. “always wanted Cuddyer?”
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 4:43 PM MST up reply actions
screw that
Jack of all trades, Master of none.
Ty Wigginton 2.0
preaching to the choir
arenado: it's Rockie for future
Speaking of which:
Troy Renck, Rockies @TroyRenck
Rockies like Beltran. He’s a good player if knee healthy. Cuddyer fits better defensively bc play 1B, 3B, LF and RF.
Shoot me.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 4:46 PM MST up reply actions
Well yeah.
We’ve been linked to them all offseason.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Dec 13, 2011 4:44 PM MST up reply actions
I know
We’ve always wanted him. But he’s not one of those players you “always want” – he’s sooooo mediocre I can’t stand it.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 4:45 PM MST up reply actions
Not really mediocre.
He’s had 100+ ops+ the last three seasons. And coming to Coors will only help his numbers.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Dec 13, 2011 4:49 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah I know
The minute I hit post I realized it was a bit of an overreaction. But when you put him next to Beltran, mediocre’s definitely a word I’d have ready to use.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 4:50 PM MST up reply actions
I know.
I just get this image of Beltran ripping apart Coors Field all summer long.. Seriously, he’s such a good fit here.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Dec 13, 2011 4:51 PM MST up reply actions
wouldnt be shocked
Stewart reads it
President of Baseball Operations for the PRMLB Atlanta Braves
Everytime I think of that fact
My stomach turns over all the things he must have read about himself over the years…
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by SurfaceThought on Dec 13, 2011 4:47 PM MST up reply actions
Geivett has before
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 13, 2011 4:51 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
To the Geivettsignal!!!
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Junction Rox on Dec 13, 2011 4:46 PM MST up reply actions
HELLO OUT THERE?! IF YOU'RE LISTENING...
WE NO WANT CUDDYER. WE WANT BELTRAN!
/somebody, quick, get the flare gun!
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 4:47 PM MST up reply actions
So this is weird...
I tried making one of those customizable t-shirts for Beltran, but this statement came up:
Your current entry cannot be processed. Some entries are prohibited due to guidelines for past and present player names. Please create a new entry.
However, I made one for Cuddyer no. 7… and…
Alright, I don't like this thinking.
TroyRenck Troy Renck, Rockies
Rockies like Beltran. He’s a good player if knee healthy. Cuddyer fits better defensively bc play 1B, 3B, LF and RF.
That last sentence. Positional versatility shouldn’t have any affect on who the Rockies sign right now. We have to go after the better player.
@CentralCaliRox
Hate it
Hate it
Hate it
Hate it
Hate it
Hate it
Hate it
Hate it
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 4:48 PM MST up reply actions
Haha probably
You should write me off for the rest of the day – I’ve gotten waaay too pumped about the idea of signing Beltran, so much so that I’m being a bit unreasonable
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 4:51 PM MST up reply actions
His mom seems like a very sweet woman.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 13, 2011 4:51 PM MST up reply actions
hey you don't say that
arenado: it's Rockie for future
this is getting a faded used box with a "rolex" on it, maybe some tape
and opening it and finding a lump of coal.
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
Luftfeuchtigkeitsregler über alles.
by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 13, 2011 4:52 PM MST up reply actions
This isn't that.
It’s like getting a Nintendo DS when you want a PS3 and then acting like you got a lump of coal.
...only you're 25 and only enjoy real video games and blu-ray movies
arenado: it's Rockie for future
but I can't play MW3 on a DS.
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
Luftfeuchtigkeitsregler über alles.
by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 13, 2011 4:56 PM MST up reply actions
Meh
It’s like getting an original XBOX when you wanted a Kinect. It’ll get the job done, but it’s not fantastic.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 4:56 PM MST up reply actions
See?
Not a lump of coal. He’s not at the top of the wish list, but we might have to deal with him anyway, and he does have some function, so we better start getting prepared for that eventuality.
I know, I know
I’m kinda being a brat – but if they’re going to ship out some of my favorite players to free up salary space, I want it to be for the player I like best and gives us the best chance of competing.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 5:02 PM MST up reply actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DhabXzPC0I
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 13, 2011 5:04 PM MST up reply actions
Hahaha
I’m just coming to the reality that I typed “Hate it” 8 times and then clicked post. My apologies.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 5:06 PM MST up reply actions
.
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
Luftfeuchtigkeitsregler über alles.
by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 13, 2011 5:06 PM MST up reply actions
And Beltran is the Great Pumpkin
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 5:07 PM MST up reply actions
Are you really daring me to post Wiggintons.jpg?
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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 13, 2011 4:49 PM MST up reply actions
No, but you should sent one in an e-mail to DOD
and the Monforts. That would have more impact than anything.
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by SurfaceThought on Dec 13, 2011 4:49 PM MST up reply actions
position versatility is so stupid.
Beltran is the better player, goddamnit.
who can’t see this?
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
Luftfeuchtigkeitsregler über alles.
by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 13, 2011 4:48 PM MST up reply actions
Re: who can't see this?
95% of baseball.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 13, 2011 4:49 PM MST up reply actions
Beltran could backup at 1B anyways, right?
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 13, 2011 4:50 PM MST up reply actions
Colvin/Wheeler/Seth/CarGo/Dex/Beltran/Blackmon
I see where you’re coming from. I’m under the impression the team wants either Colvin/Blackmon as the 4th OF, with Wheeler & Seth being traded some time this offseason. But that’s me guessing.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 13, 2011 4:55 PM MST up reply actions
Right.
But that hasn’t all happened yet. I’m ok with Beltran though. I like Cuddyer too. I’m glad Willingham is off the table.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 13, 2011 4:56 PM MST up reply actions
I'm not as opposed to dealing Blackmon now that we have Colvin...
but we shouldn’t trade ALL of our OF depth now. I could see 2/3 of it go though.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 13, 2011 4:58 PM MST up reply actions
Why in gods name woul you prefer Cuddyer to Willingham?
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by SurfaceThought on Dec 13, 2011 5:04 PM MST up reply actions
evan longoria was the better player at one point too...
does not bode well
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Well. This Rockpile has really gone to the dogs.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 13, 2011 4:48 PM MST reply actions 2 recs
Har Har
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by SurfaceThought on Dec 13, 2011 4:49 PM MST up reply actions
yay Petro's here!
I knew we were missing somebody.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 13, 2011 4:49 PM MST up reply actions
Lots of big project meetings at work.
No chance for PR. I was hoping I’d arrive to some news though.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 13, 2011 4:50 PM MST up reply actions
You really haven't missed much.
Besides a single rumor. Which has resulted in this 1100+ comment explosion.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 13, 2011 4:51 PM MST up reply actions
And, for some reason, dogs.
I’m not really sure about the dogs. I Shift-A’d them.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 13, 2011 4:52 PM MST up reply actions
Renck:
Just talked to Rockies’ officials. Not sure how much Willingham signing helps them w Cuddyer. They are waiting to hear back vs. Cuddyer
It kind of seems like Cuddyer is sitting on his hands.
Cuddyer's coming to Colorado.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 13, 2011 4:53 PM MST up reply actions
Acquire all the aging free agent outfielders!!
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 4:53 PM MST up reply actions
someone get a picture for that
arenado: it's Rockie for future
he probably heard we want beltran
and is now shaking in his little boots
arenado: it's Rockie for future
Ugh
When you said that, I realized that maybe the Rockies are sending smoke signals about Beltran to make Cuddyer sign for a lower price…
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by SurfaceThought on Dec 13, 2011 4:54 PM MST up reply actions
In my hopeless optimism
My thought (as I’ve posted like 10 times now) is that we’ve just been positioning with Cuddyer the whole time to make everyone forget Beltran was still alive, and once the Cuddyer and Willingham sweepstakes end, Beltran will come cheap.
It would be a wicked move if that’s what DOD’s doing.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 4:55 PM MST up reply actions
That sounds nice
but I’ll bet it’s the opposite. Beltran is the smokescreen.
I know everyone is in Beltran mode
And, I can think of a dozen reason the Rox probably didn’t look at him, but wouldn’t have Norichika Aoka have been a pretty good fit for the the Rox?
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who
arenado: it's Rockie for future
Sorry
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by SurfaceThought on Dec 13, 2011 4:56 PM MST up reply actions
Gesundheit.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 13, 2011 4:56 PM MST up reply actions
BELTRAN!
And only Beltran. Discussing any other player is forbidden.
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by crazedjohn on Dec 13, 2011 4:55 PM MST up reply actions 5 recs
Gonna have to rec this
Some days, I feel like I’ve accidentally entered the Church of Tulowitzki on Baseball Easter.
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Wow, he has the same birthday as me.
Let’s sign him.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 13, 2011 4:57 PM MST up reply actions
Seriously though
I imagine the main thing is that a player like him breaking into MLB will probably want a 4-5 year contract, but I can’t imagine him being all that much more expensive than the other players we are talking about on a per season basis, and although it is always hard to predict what NPB players will be like after the switch, at least he doesn’t have injury concerns…
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by SurfaceThought on Dec 13, 2011 5:00 PM MST up reply actions
Committing $$$$ to Cuddyer is retarded
BFD that Cuddyer provides “versatility”. He’s not an impact bat. We need AN IMPACT BAT. Cuddyer is AN IMPACT BAT.
TYWIGGY2.0
LIFESUXTHENYOUDIE
Cuddyer is NOT an impact bat****
correction
Babe Ruth?
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 13, 2011 4:59 PM MST up reply actions
I don't think he's Ty Wigginton.
He’d be a good pickup if he can be had at $8 million per.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 13, 2011 4:59 PM MST up reply actions
So calling him TYWIGGY2.0
maybe isn’t fair. But the fact still stands.
Rox FO: We are going to go after an impact bat and a reliable starter
Translation: We are going to sign a bat and add lots of 5th to 7th starters.
gimme a break
Well, he's IS better than Wiggy
but he is also definitely more expensive. On a per dollar basis, I say he is totally TWIGGY2.0
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by SurfaceThought on Dec 13, 2011 5:02 PM MST up reply actions
The offseason is far from over
More stuff will happen (whether it’s the stuff we want to happen is to be seen). We have a LOTTTT of money to play with right now.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 5:03 PM MST up reply actions
So rewind to 2011, you're saying if the Rockies had to do it all over again
You would see getting Cuddyer as about the same as getting Wigginton?
You got RT'd by Renck
Not the FO, but your opinions being heard. Congrats
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Willingham signing with the Twins is not a guarantee to the Rockies signing Cuddyer
There’s a reason the article says we’re going to get one of Cuddyer or Beltran, and the reason we might get Beltran is because Cuddyer is trying so hard to get the 30-36 million he wants. His 3/25 Twins offer leverage might be gone, but it still doesn’t mean the market is limited to just the Rockies now.
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The leverage really did disappear quickly.
His market was really overestimated by fans due to the Rockies early interest and he seems to still have a wrong impression of it. I think he signs for that Twins offer or less, now.
I'd really like to see him sign for 2/18 and an option
if he can’t find a 3rd year.
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Two years would be ideal.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 13, 2011 5:20 PM MST up reply actions
the option would be cool considering we don't know what first base in 2014 will be like
Cuddyer would be excellent protection on that
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Weren't the Philles responsible for blowing up Cuddyer's market
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they can still have if
….as long as we get Beltran.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 13, 2011 5:35 PM MST up reply actions
*have him if
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 13, 2011 5:35 PM MST up reply actions
I'd like to know what the market is for Cuddyer.
I’d think it would be the same as it was for Willingham. With that in mind, Cuddyer has very little leverage in getting that much money.
I expect him to say for $25 million.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 13, 2011 5:09 PM MST up reply actions
Which to me
is exactly why Beltran is in this mix. DOD knows he needs leverage against Cuddyer, and here it is. I prefer Beltran to be sure but my guess is that he’s not a serious candidate.
by Teekalong on Dec 13, 2011 5:09 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
By the way,
anytime Renck mentions the ROX FO “like someone” it means that they like the idea of that player, not actually signing the check for them.
I see this leading
To an interesting, tear-filled argument between Cuddy and the FO down the road:
Cuddyer: “You say you love me, but you’re really only in love with the idea of me!”
Rox FO: “You know that’s not true!”
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 5:09 PM MST up reply actions
Cuddyer: “Then where’s the money, Charlie, where’s the money?”
Rox FO: “…Frankly… no one loves you to the tune of 35 mil”
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by SurfaceThought on Dec 13, 2011 5:12 PM MST up reply actions
Hammer to the Twins - Crasnick
ESPN’s Jerry Crasnick reports that the Twins and Josh Willingham have agreed to a contract, pending a physical.
We’re still awaiting details on the contract, though Crasnick hears that it’s a multi-year deal. Willingham, who turns 33 in February, batted .246/.332/.477 with 29 home runs, 98 RBI and an .810 OPS in 136 games this past season. Under the terms of the new CBA agreement, the Twins will not need to surrender a draft pick in order to sign him. His addition should create a domino effect among the remaining high-profile free agent outfielders.
Apologies if repost … who can keep up on here?
Not a repost, but it contains nothing we didn't already know
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 13, 2011 5:10 PM MST up reply actions
There's a whole bunch of information about Jerry Crasnick
that was completely new to me.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 13, 2011 5:11 PM MST up reply actions
for instance
i’m not sure i know who he is
arenado: it's Rockie for future
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The dangling baby is pretty funny.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 13, 2011 5:24 PM MST up reply actions
Dangling Des really should be his nickname henceforth
as well as a great band name.
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 14, 2011 6:37 AM MST up reply actions
did we sign someone good yet
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so no
arenado: it's Rockie for future
¿RRRRRRamon HeRRRRRRRRRRnandez?
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 13, 2011 5:34 PM MST up reply actions
what a butthead
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Say Hi to your Mom for me.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 13, 2011 5:37 PM MST up reply actions
I would but I'm too busy waiting for my locked up browser to finish rendering 700 dog pictures
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 13, 2011 5:38 PM MST up reply actions
ok everyone, you heard the bossman
back to srs bsnss
arenado: it's Rockie for future
I still don't know what thats about.
And I don’t want to know.
And… I got that butthead reference wrong, but close. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yo6aA3Qplv4
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 13, 2011 5:39 PM MST up reply actions
I got the reference, but it was taking so long to post the comment, it frustrated me.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 13, 2011 5:49 PM MST up reply actions
I simply share in the frustration of "700 new comments?! Did we sign someone exciting?"
Nope, Chuck Testa.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 13, 2011 5:50 PM MST up reply actions
you're lucky I hosted all the spilly videos on a separate page
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 13, 2011 5:46 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
yep.
We traded to get Ty Wigginton back. Only had to eat all of his salary and plus throw in an “I’m sorry” and a check for 1MM.
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oh thank god
I missed that plump bastard
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 13, 2011 5:58 PM MST up reply actions
Meh. Not awful so far I guess
So Far this offseason:
We Got:
Ramon Hernandez
Tyler Chatwood
Nick Schmidt
Kevin Slowey
Tyler Colvin
DJ LeMahieu
Jamie Hoffman
Giving Up:
Stewart
Street
Spilly
Garner
Ianetta
Weathers
Tihs would look a helluva lot better w a Beltran/Scutaro. Even a Keppinger would help
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Let’s call the whole thing off!
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 13, 2011 5:47 PM MST up reply actions
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYY
jonmorosi Jon Morosi
Source: At least one team besides #Rockies is in pursuit of Michael Cuddyer.
jonmorosi Jon Morosi
With Willingham off board, #Rockies still pursuing Cuddyer — but source says hardly a given Cuddyer goes to COL.
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What a ridiculous, glorious, work of art of a Rockpile ...
Also seriously deranged. Those of you in the anti-Cuddyer camp better hope what they wish for doesn’t come true, because it’s entirely possible we get nobody here. Cuddyer and his reps are not stupid. More than likely they didn’t turn the Twins down on a whim or because he doesn’t like Minnesota. Probably there’s another team involved and they still think they can start a bidding war. He knew he lost his leverage when Willingham signed, and yet he still turned them down.
And Beltran. Well, there’s absolutely zero indication he would even come here. And if I were him, I’d wait until much later in the off season for his market to develop. We turn our noses up at Mr. Cuddyer, it’s Beltran or nothing, and there’s a LOT of big markets out there who could use another outfielder. Plus, he’s only a bit better, has rubber bands for knee ligaments, and costs $3-4 million more, possibly costing us an upgrade at one of our other needs.
Go Dan! Get Cuddyer. I’d be very very happy.
by BostonTransplant on Dec 13, 2011 5:41 PM MST reply actions
only a bit better?
look how wrong you are….
http://www.fangraphs.com/comparison.aspx?playerid=589&playerid2=1534&playerid3=&position=OF&page=8&type=full
http://www.fangraphs.com/comparison.aspx?playerid=589&playerid2=1534&playerid3=&position=OF&page=5&type=full
http://www.fangraphs.com/comparison.aspx?playerid=589&playerid2=1534&playerid3=&position=OF&page=6&type=full
arenado: it's Rockie for future
I am NOT going to root against us signing
a guy with two 800+ OPS years in the last three, in a bad hitting park. We’re not the freakin’ Phillies.
by BostonTransplant on Dec 13, 2011 5:48 PM MST up reply actions
target is playing pretty neutral these first couple seasons
it suppresses home runs to lefties i believe, but that’s about it
arenado: it's Rockie for future
Either way, it's still dumb to look a gift horse in the mouth
Beltran’s probably not interested in us. He’s the kind of guy that will wait this out well into 2012, even February. He’ll eventually get offers from several big market teams in cities he knows and likes, and will sign with one of them. If we don’t get Cuddyer, I’m 90% sure we get nothing.
by BostonTransplant on Dec 13, 2011 6:00 PM MST up reply actions
I was just about to say this
I seriously like Beltran over Cuddyer, but I’m not going to root for losing Cuddyer. We really need one or the other.
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Junction Rox on Dec 13, 2011 5:45 PM MST up reply actions
Losing Cuddyer is fine by me
At this point it seems incredibly likely we will have one of him or beltran as the market for top FA outfielders has thinned considerably with the removal of the twins. And in all honesty going into the year with a Smith, Cargo, Dex, Colvin, Blackmon, Wheeler outfield is not awful. Especially if a Gomes could be added. Cuddyer is a major financial commitment for a small upgrade. If you ask me, i want that money spent on an impact bat. Cuddyey doesn’t represent that bat for me. Spend it on Kuroda/Scutaro/Volquez/Insert Player Here. Or keep the money for next year. I don’t see the value in cuddyer at 8-10 mil per year
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As I noted above
We have absolutely no idea Beltran would even consider the Rox as a destination. None. And he gets to choose. He’ll have other offers if he waits. Cards maybe. Cubs. Rangers. Red Sox. Phillies. Whatever.
We don’t get to pick one of them to go home with tonight.
by BostonTransplant on Dec 13, 2011 6:02 PM MST up reply actions
And Braves of course
In many ways the most obvious one.
by BostonTransplant on Dec 13, 2011 6:03 PM MST up reply actions
As partial as I am to Beltran he is not necessary
I think we are trying to fix a problem that doesn’t need fixing. We want an impact bat, not another outfielder. I don’t think cuddyer fits the bill. If we want outfielders I haven’t heard any connecions to andruw jones (other than the one just made to COL). But spending 10 mil on a .270-.280 hitter with 20 HRs, awful defense, and in his 30’s seems silly to me
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The problem is we don’t have a #5 hitter. That’s a problem that needs fixing. Maybe Cuddyer isn’t the best fix, but there is a problem tat needs fixing.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 13, 2011 6:13 PM MST up reply actions
Arenado?
Fowler
Keppinger
Cargo
Tulo
Helton
Smith
Hernandez
Lemahieu
Until Nolan arrives works for me
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Arenado might not have MLB power for a few years. I’d be careful counting on him to come through in that manner. Helton may also not have a good year. If we’re going to do this, we might as well rebuild by dumping Smith as well.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 13, 2011 6:19 PM MST up reply actions
I mean, in essence,
what you’re saying is that we have an ace because we have Drew Pomeranz. I’m not sure I’d be planning for the club that way. At least Pomeranz has seen AA and the MLB.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 13, 2011 6:21 PM MST up reply actions
Not saying Arenado would take that spot immediately.
I think that Smith/Helton could perform adequately there.
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But neither has.
And neither plays everyday.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 13, 2011 6:25 PM MST up reply actions
A smith/platoon or giambi/helton
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And I find it difficult to believe that these situations are going to produce the necessary results. I’d like examples of an effective #5 platoon. It seems like a risk that is unlikely to work.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 13, 2011 6:28 PM MST up reply actions
Cuddyer has his risks too
Bill James has Cuddyer’s 2012 as .275/.347/.451
Smith is .281/.349/.473. Not a huge production difference.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 13, 2011 6:34 PM MST up reply actions
I’m just not going to feel as if we’re making a “good move” by holding onto Smith and getting him a partner. Or, as you said above, that we don’t have a problem if we decide to do this. We will have a problem. We might still have the problem with Cuddyer too.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 13, 2011 6:37 PM MST up reply actions
I agree
I just think spending that money on a relatively lateral move isn’t a great idea
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I wouldn’t be disappointed by it only because I think that the creation of a winning team isn’t all about numbers. We know that the current situation is not producing desired results. If we want to improve the situation, we need to do something different that may provide positive results. I think signing Cuddyer would do that. But it could blow up.
If we’re not going to do that, then just finding a partner for Smith isn’t really going to do what we need, so we might as well avoid that and dump Smith while he has higher value.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 13, 2011 6:43 PM MST up reply actions
Cuddyer would be an addition to the team, yes.
But couldn’t that money be more effectively spent on a pitcher or scutaro? Although on a semi topic change there are ways i would like cuddyer. I just think it’s a bad allocation of money. I am not against trading smith, and agree the 5 hole is not good. However, not all holes have to be filled. If 2012 isn’t a playoff year get talent, not expensive hole fillers.
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by SurfaceThought on Dec 13, 2011 6:50 PM MST up reply actions
I can get with this.
Though I’m unconvinced that Cuddyer would be a total debacle.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 13, 2011 6:57 PM MST up reply actions
If we spend the price of Cuddyer on Scutaro
we’re screwed…
and I like Scutaro.
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by Junction Rox on Dec 13, 2011 6:50 PM MST up reply actions
But Scutaro is already under contract
Red Sox picked up his 6 Million option. If we were talking about signing Cuddyer closer to 6 Mil a year then I might have different feelings about it.
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by SurfaceThought on Dec 13, 2011 6:51 PM MST up reply actions
But couldn’t that money be more effectively spent on a pitcher or scutaro ?
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by Junction Rox on Dec 13, 2011 7:18 PM MST up reply actions
That's what I was responding to...
jlb just explained what he meant below…
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by Junction Rox on Dec 13, 2011 7:19 PM MST up reply actions
I meant and not or
Not saying scutaro.greater than cuddyer. Was just using a name that had been thrown around here before
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Well, I'm glad that you admit there is a hole.
That’s really how this all started. There is a hole that needs fixing. We just might not have anything to fill that hole sadly.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 13, 2011 6:58 PM MST up reply actions
It's not a lateral move
if signing Cuddyer allows us to trade Smith for another player.
Cuddyer + Prado >> Smith + Wheeler, for example…
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by Junction Rox on Dec 13, 2011 6:49 PM MST up reply actions
Its not a lateral move
But it is only a marginal improvement. The reason we want Cuddyer, is because he fills the worst hole we have this offseason in 3B. But it doesn’t make any sense to fill that hole if it takes away all of our payroll flexibility this offseason, and ties our hands for two additional years while we try to figure out where to putt Cuddyer when Arenado arrives. If filling that hole would be the difference between making the playoffs and not making the playoffs, it would be a different story. But that is not where we are right now…
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by SurfaceThought on Dec 13, 2011 6:54 PM MST up reply actions
Right
I understand that we are not looking at him as a starting 3B. But if he didn’t play 3B at all, and was just a way below average, slightly above average batter then we wouldn’t be looking at him at all. The FO thinks it may make sense because they can use him as a stopgap to Arenado, I think that is a very bad reason to sign a “pretty good” player to a 10 million a year contract.
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by SurfaceThought on Dec 13, 2011 7:25 PM MST up reply actions
We are not signing Cuddyer to be our 3B
we may be looking at him because he can play 3B and OF, but I don’t think there’s really any indication they’re planning to start him at 3B long-term. Until mid-season or whenever Arenado is ready, at most. Then he goes to the OF. If we move Smith for IF or P help this offseason, Cuddyer plays the vast majority of his games out there.
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by Junction Rox on Dec 13, 2011 7:21 PM MST up reply actions
... and then we have an overpaid, aging, poor fielding outfielder
for two more years that significantly limits our ability to be competitive in 2013 and 14
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by SurfaceThought on Dec 13, 2011 7:23 PM MST up reply actions
We also have the player we acquired for Smith
which somehow seems to keep getting forgotten here. The idea is to sign a FA at one position to free up talent to trade for help at another position where it may not be possible to get a FA. It honestly doesn’t really matter if Smith <———> Cuddyer is a straight lateral move, the team walks away with more talent than it started with. And as for the payroll implications, unless I’m mistaken we can sign Cuddyer, trade for a Prado or Scutaro and probably still have a payroll lower than 2011 once you factor in all the subtractions. I’m really not going to panic over that.
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by Junction Rox on Dec 13, 2011 8:17 PM MST up reply actions
And Tulowitzki can get injured
There are a lot of “Ifs” being thrown around, who knows what will happen but I could live with that lineup if our SP holds up.
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That's not the same at all.
it is almost certain that Arenado will not have the ability to produce as a solid #5 hitter in 2012 in the MLB. This is statistically valid.
It is very possible that Helton will have a decline from last year. This is statistically valid.
Tulo maybe or maybe not getting hurt is chance.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 13, 2011 6:24 PM MST up reply actions
I don't see Nolan in that lineup though
Making Helton your only question mark. DJLM is unknown to me but Keppinger would be an improvement over what we’ve had in the past at second. Let’s get a SP worth while or take on salary in a trade to improve where we have to improve (2B, 3B). If we need a middle of the order bat come mid-season because we’re in the hunt and Helton or Smith are not playing up to par then we can go out and trade for it. I don’t want to use money for someone who only makes a player redundant so we can trade him for something else.
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Both Helton and Smith are question marks at #5.
I’d go as far to say that Smith is a NO, even in a platoon.
The other issue is that we say, “We’ll go out and trade for it.” Who? With what?
If we can’t improve here, we are no going to be close enough to make a trade worth going out and trading for another bat. And there’s nothing wrong with that. But it’s where we are.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 13, 2011 6:34 PM MST up reply actions
how is he just a NO?
you have to back that up beyond “numbers aren’t everything”, because a smith-gomes platoon produces like a #5.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 13, 2011 7:26 PM MST up reply actions
First: I didn’t say a Smith platoon. I said that Smith is a NO. The numbers back that up.
Second: We don’t actually know that a Smith-Gomes platoon will produce the same as just adding them together. All things being equal, it should work that way. But I don’t know of an instance in which this has actually occurred.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 13, 2011 7:32 PM MST up reply actions
are we willing to bet $25M or whatever on that?
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 13, 2011 7:33 PM MST up reply actions
I wouldn’t be upset by signing Cuddyer. But I wouldn’t be upset if we passed on him.
I would be upset if we weren’t able to move Smith for something decent. But this is somewhat a separate argument.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 13, 2011 7:36 PM MST up reply actions
I should add to this that I wouldn’t be upset if we signed him to a relatively reasonable contract. I don’t see DOD as being unreasonable here though.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 13, 2011 7:39 PM MST up reply actions
I guess what I'm really trying to say is that I don't think the difference between Helton/Smith and Cuddyer is worth 25-30 Mil
Spend the money somewhere else
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The difference is that Helton/Smith hasn't worked.
Perhaps Cuddyer will work. This is a risk though. It might not be worth the money.
However, if we decide not to take the risk, I have no illusions that this team is going to improve much offensively. I’m not buying into the “We can do this with a Smith platoon” line. If we don’t find a better solution, we’re basically going to be rebuilding.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 13, 2011 6:30 PM MST up reply actions
Ugh
When you put it that way, Arenado better be ready to start on opening day. And you better have a platoon option for Smith, one that can protect Tulo in the middle of the order. We’re probably not talking Blackmon here…
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by Junction Rox on Dec 13, 2011 6:21 PM MST up reply actions
why do we "need" one or the other?
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 13, 2011 5:51 PM MST up reply actions
We need a middle of the order bat
we have for a couple years now. These guys have the chance to provide that. I’m really not seeing a lot of other options we’re looking at.
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by Junction Rox on Dec 13, 2011 5:55 PM MST up reply actions
I have 0 faith that Cuddyer will maintain that middle-of-the-order bat past this season
and this season isn’t going to be a huge season for the Rockies. Not proclaiming us dead, but I’d rather just have the youth acclimate and then we’ll see who’s available for 2012.
I know you read yesterday’s rockpile, but we’re trying to fill a hole where there isn’t one.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 13, 2011 5:57 PM MST up reply actions
I read yesterday's Rockpile
but I still can’t shake the feeling that standing pat on this lineup is a bad idea. A very, very bad idea. And at this point, all we’re doing is hoping that Hernandez outhits Iannetta or Arenado outhits Wiggy, or I guess LeMahieu outhits Nelson/Herrera. All of which are possible, but none of which are going to significantly change our record.
If we can sign Beltran or Cuddyer, then trade the talent that frees up (Smith, presumably) for more help, I think it’s a good idea. Maybe neither of those guys helps us past 2013, but we aren’t giving up anything to get them that’s going to help us now or then, particularly since I don’t see any other realistic possibilities for that money at the moment.
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by Junction Rox on Dec 13, 2011 6:03 PM MST up reply actions
Agreed
we can’t just stand pat but we do have other holes that should be filled before “middle of the order bat.” If we do sign one and we can fill the other holes just fine then go for it but the real holes are the problem.
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It is a real problem
Tulo and CarGo are great. Nobody else on our roster (sorry Todd) scares anybody. Beltran would. Cuddyer, not as much so, but much more than a Seth Smith platoon is likely to.
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by Junction Rox on Dec 13, 2011 6:14 PM MST up reply actions
if they produce
I’m not worried about the perception from other teams ;)
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 13, 2011 6:16 PM MST up reply actions
No, but Tulo probably is
unless he wants to walk a Bondsian number of times, or strike out swinging at bad pitches…
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by Junction Rox on Dec 13, 2011 6:22 PM MST up reply actions
If he's on base that often
I almost expect to see him steal 20 bases this year and allow opportunities to the guys behind him. Give Todd and Smith the opportunities to get singles or doubles with Carlos and Tulo on and they will score. It won’t be because they scare the opponent though but because they get more opportunities.
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Todd and Smith will still be the same hitters
and what they are is not middle of the lineup hitters. Plus, both of them are going to be sitting at least 1/3 of the time, Helton to rest and Smith to platoon. Then what? Giambi and Blackmon protecting Tulo?
I guess if we want to pretend that everything is fine with this lineup, we can. Won’t make it true, though…
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by Junction Rox on Dec 13, 2011 6:53 PM MST up reply actions
I'm not saying everything is fine with this lineup
I would like to see other holes filled because I don’t like our current options at 2B, 3B and adding an OF doesn’t necessarily improve the overall team production if those two are still terrible. If we got an OF and we could guarantee that the team had a deal lined up to acquire 2B or 3B from somewhere (Atlanta, Boston…) then I have no problem getting a Cuddyer or Beltran.
Basically what I’m saying is that since Helton and Smith might not be middle of the order bats by most standards but they have to be because they can’t be put anywhere else in the lineup because the other players there aren’t able to be moved around (Hernandez might be the exception).
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I agree with RMN here.
I won’t be too upset about getting Cuddyer, but it feels like a move just to say we’re making a move. And while he (AMart) has advocated doing something big, I don’t feel like Cuddyer would qualify as a big or bold move. When you factor in the roster status for 2012, it’s a waste of resources.
by RoxnSox09 on Dec 13, 2011 6:43 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
How about we not get cuddyer
and platoon Smith
and save like 20M over the next 3 seasons
and get someone we actually need next season, or even midseason
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 13, 2011 5:51 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I Agree
But if that money is spent on an impact bat (beltran) then I think we need to take that oppurtunity. Smiths trade value + Beltran (and salary)>Smith+Platoon. I dont think the same thing is true for Cuddyer
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I'll be honest, the injury risk scares me
But I’ve been begging for a risk, and years ago in an OOTP league I totally signed Beltran, so let’s do that.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 13, 2011 5:55 PM MST up reply actions
What would we use to get something we need in midseason?
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 13, 2011 5:55 PM MST up reply actions
I'm not sure I understand the question
We make an in-season trade and maybe get an interesting 2B.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 13, 2011 5:56 PM MST up reply actions
What do we trade? What do we have to offer another team?
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 13, 2011 5:56 PM MST up reply actions
Prospects or something
I’m not understanding this interrogation. We get another player the same way we have been hoping to get Martin Prado – trading players and prospects.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 13, 2011 5:58 PM MST up reply actions
I guess I think that, at the moment, Smith seems to be at peak value. If we are going to pack it in in 2012, I’d rather trade him now then continue to watch his value degrade. And I think that if we are, in essence, packing it in by not trying to find a better solution to out #2 and #5 hitters.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 13, 2011 6:01 PM MST up reply actions
That was riddled with errors. Anyway. I’d like to trade Smith now if we’re just going to rebuild.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 13, 2011 6:03 PM MST up reply actions
I don't disagree
but getting Cuddyer would be a step back, if it’s a true rebuild.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 13, 2011 6:06 PM MST up reply actions
I agree with this.
What I’m saying is that I don’t want to hold pat on Seth Smith. I either want the club to get somebody who might be better than Seth Smith and trade him, or just trade him and let God sort out our army of OF.
I’m less confident in the possibility of improvement through a Smith platoon than improvement through the acquisition of an everyday player with similar stats. You might be right that that improvement may be minimal and not worth the price, but I’d rather see that than a stand pat on Smith.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 13, 2011 6:11 PM MST up reply actions
Or, I’d rather just admit that this is a rebuild and save the money for next year.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 13, 2011 6:12 PM MST up reply actions
Because then we don't get to trade our biggest trade chip
For, I dunno, a 2B who knows what a bat is?
by BostonTransplant on Dec 13, 2011 6:04 PM MST up reply actions
I, for one, would rather have nobody than Cuddyer
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by SurfaceThought on Dec 13, 2011 6:27 PM MST up reply actions
I don't like the train of thought
that the farther away from Cuddyer we are (“according to sources”) the better. Being farther from signing Cuddyer != being closer to signing Beltran. Don’t get me wrong, I REALLY want a Beltran signing, but what happens if we miss on Beltran and can’t get back in on Cuddyer?
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by oo_nrb on Dec 13, 2011 6:02 PM MST via mobile reply actions
Exactly!
We’d probably all be better off just forgetting about Beltran. The whole excitement came from one rumor started by — was it Rosenthal? — that could very easily have been the Rox or Twins FO trying to put pressure on Cuddyer. Or Beltran’s agent. Renck confirmed Rox were “interested.” That’s one side to the dance. The other side may not be — probably isn’t — interested in Colorado, and in any case will likely make his decision a month or more down the road.
by BostonTransplant on Dec 13, 2011 6:07 PM MST up reply actions
Why do we HAVE to get cuddyer. Arenado could be 5 Hole hitter by midseason
Seth Smith/Helton 5 hole hitter is alright by me. Cuddyer just isn’t worth the price.
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We have $18 million to spend to reach our budget. There’s no one else out there to fall in love with. Cuddyer may not be a super stud, but he’s a fine player. The absolutely WORST way to run a franchise is to dump a bunch of players to save money, then not invest that money in anything, waiting for a future FA class in which we’re likely to get outbid by higher market teams. This is the one FA class in years in which the Red Sox,Yanks, and Phillies are all somewhat quiet.
by BostonTransplant on Dec 13, 2011 6:11 PM MST up reply actions
Spending for the sake of spending is not a good idea.
Next years FA class is better. If we get outbid we get outbid. The money can be reallocated though. I think Kuroda could be had for the money saved on Cuddyer. Not saying I want Kuroda, but don’t pretend its Cuddyer or nothing.
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The problem with this line of thinking
Is that it diregards the other two or three years we will have to overpay a non-impact player, just because we have payroll space this offseason.
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by SurfaceThought on Dec 13, 2011 6:29 PM MST up reply actions
we don't waste money on a defensive mess
and shoot for someone else in a different market (trade or next winter)
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 13, 2011 6:08 PM MST up reply actions
In case anyone wants an update
jonmorosi Jon Morosi
#Rockies still considering Carlos Beltran, source says. Andruw Jones is another option if Cuddyer goes elsewhere.
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And here we go
The real question to ask is: Cuddyer or Andruw Jones or Cody Ross?
by BostonTransplant on Dec 13, 2011 6:08 PM MST up reply actions
Beltran IS an option.
the question is a lot tougher if it’s ross w salary, jones w salary, or cuddyer w salary.
Money is a factor
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We don't know that
Unless one of us is in Carlos Beltran’s head.
by BostonTransplant on Dec 13, 2011 6:14 PM MST up reply actions
Sure, but then Jones or Ross aren't options either
Plus we have no idea if Cuddyer wants to come to colorado.
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Why do you keep making it seem like Beltran doesn't want to come to Colorado?
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 13, 2011 7:45 PM MST up reply actions
Try to lower some hopes around here?
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That's who you get if you don't get Cuddyer
You still have a flyer on Beltran, but it’s MUCH less likely than many of you all think. Note that Morosi says we’re “considering” Beltran. That’s a walk back from previous stories. We’re not getting Beltran.
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Renck says were "chasing" beltran
is that better or worse than considering?
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It doesn't make any sense for Beltran to sign with us anytime soon
And that’s assuming he’d sign with us at all.
by BostonTransplant on Dec 13, 2011 6:13 PM MST up reply actions
he'd be cheaper than the others
and him plus smith would arguably be as productive as the alternatives.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 13, 2011 6:13 PM MST up reply actions
But then we're done
We don’t trade Smith, we live with what we have at 2B and 3B and SP, unless we cash in bunch of prospect chips.
by BostonTransplant on Dec 13, 2011 6:14 PM MST up reply actions
There are FAs that play those positions
If we have that money….
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 13, 2011 6:20 PM MST up reply actions
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 13, 2011 6:21 PM MST up reply actions
I remember when we picked up Wiggy
The feeling on the row was that he was Mora V 2.0…
Oh only if we had been right
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Well if it’s any consolation, which it won’t be, he absolutely destroyed Mora in 2011…
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Wow, I have no idea how bad he was
Actually, that does make me feel a little better. A little.
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Kuroda, Saunders, Francis, Harden, Edwin Jackson at Pitcher
Keppinger, Kelly Johnson @ 2B
3B: Not much (Brooks Conrad MiLB) Betemit?
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Johnson's gone
Keppinger’s no better than the kid we picked up from the Cubs. Kuroda won’t sign with us (we tried). Edwin Jackson is a huge money guy with other options. Francis is worse than Esmil Rogers and Kevin Slowey at this point. Harden is always hurt.
Got anything else?
by BostonTransplant on Dec 13, 2011 7:07 PM MST up reply actions
When did KElly Johnson sign
Kurodas not totally out, andthose are very negative perspectives….Just throwing out names, only about 3 minutes of looking
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Didn’t see that
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play here he will not
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Kuroda's about as likely as Beltran, maybe less (which is to say both are highly unlikely)
and I’d rather have Beltran since they’ll cost a similar amount per season.
Or we're
willing to take on salary for a lower level prospect because we have a little bit more. That would almost be equivalent to a FA signing if it happens at a position of need.
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if we can upgrade 2B with a Smith trade
and I mean bring in a 2B with Smith level production, then by all means, move Smith. My wagon isn’t hitched to him so much as it ISN’T hitched to Cuddyer for $30M.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 13, 2011 10:04 PM MST up reply actions
But where does that leave us in the OF
if we move Smith (and possibly Wheeler) without adding a Cuddyer or Beltran?
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by Junction Rox on Dec 13, 2011 10:21 PM MST up reply actions
I should also add
$30 million would be my max for Cuddyer. I’m not even sure I like going $10 million a year, at all. Anything beyond that is a deal breaker imo…
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by Junction Rox on Dec 13, 2011 10:23 PM MST up reply actions
If the Rockies do sign Beltran
It’s not impossible that someday (many years from now) we will look back on the 2012 lineup and marvel that it had four straigt hitters in the middle of the lineup going to the Hall of Fame. (Helton, Beltran, Tulo and Cargo)
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 13, 2011 6:30 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
I like this fan fiction
do you have a link?
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by SurfaceThought on Dec 13, 2011 6:33 PM MST up reply actions
You're forgetting Arenado
:)
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by jlbroxfan on Dec 13, 2011 6:34 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Not sure if Beltran gets there unless he has some big seasons ahead of him
Right now, he’s on pace to have career numbers not quite as good as those of Gil Hodges — who still hasn’t made it in.
Beltran – 6767 ABs, 302 hr, 1146 RBI, .283
Hodges – 7030 ABs, 370 hr, 1274 rbi, .273
Some numbers argue Betran is already better than Hodges
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 13, 2011 6:38 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah, but you know that HOF voters don't look at those things.
Like it or not, it’s the traditional numbers that get you in.
was gil hodges an elite CF or the most effective base stealer of all time?
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I don't know.
But I heard that he hates Tebow.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 13, 2011 6:39 PM MST up reply actions
"Most effective base stealer of all time"?
What does that mean? He’s got 293 lifetime SBs, somewhere behind the likes of Scott Posednik and Chone Figgins.
Hey, by saying he’s not a likely HOF’er based on his current numbers I’m not knocking the guy — he’s had a wonderful career and I’d like to see him here. He’s one of the better players of his generation, but still has a way to go before Cooperstown comes calling.
he has an 86 percent success rate
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Figgins has a 64 percent success rate
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Pods is around 66%
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Another sign that he's a very good player, but hardly the kind of thing that gets people into the Hall.
By the way, the least effective base stealer of all time (by percentage)? Lou Gehrig. The Iron Horse stole bases at a .502 clip.
Never knew that…..
The thing about Beltran is that he was not below average at anything
and for a very good defensive CF was excellent at most things
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Agreed. Terrific player.
But, based on the way the HOF picks guys, he doesn’t have the right numbers yet.
The Hall picks guys the same way today they did 40 years ago. Non-middle infield hitter? How many HR, RBI does he have? What’s his average?
Pitcher? How many wins? How many Ks?
Someday that’ll change, but it hasn’t yet. Until then, Beltran needs to get closer to 400 jacks to make it. Sucks, but just the way it is.
Playing in Coors will help him get closer to 400 jacks
/Just sayin…
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 13, 2011 7:06 PM MST up reply actions
LOLCOORZ
Is only good to scare pitchers away, not to attract hitters.
by CarloWitzki on Dec 13, 2011 7:08 PM MST via iPhone app up reply actions
sure hasn't helped any of the marginal players we have signed lately
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hall of really good, maybe
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 13, 2011 7:31 PM MST up reply actions
Beltran?
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yeah
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 13, 2011 10:05 PM MST up reply actions
Exactly what numbers do switching CF with elite speed scores
and great defense have to hit to meet your HOF standards?
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Beltran Definitly beats him on speed
An playing better defense at a more premium position (In the few years before the injuries)
But, yeah, I agree with the sentiment. Beltran is not going to get in barring some pretty hefty production in the next couple of years
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by SurfaceThought on Dec 13, 2011 6:39 PM MST up reply actions
Now Jim Edmonds is a guy who might get in with roughly similar numbers because of his speed and defensive prowess
That might grease the way in for Beltran. But he never quite had Edmonds’ defensive rep.
It's just something fun to think about
I’m not suggesting that all four will be producing at HOF level in 2012.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 13, 2011 6:43 PM MST up reply actions
I’m skeptical Helton makes it…let alone the two 26yr olds…
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That's why I said it's possible
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 13, 2011 7:37 PM MST up reply actions
Man, this Rockpile needs an overflow.
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That might drive Andrew to make an overflow
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 13, 2011 7:31 PM MST up reply actions
Seriously, I've been reading through
y’all were having some fun today. I’ve never seen so many green posts.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 13, 2011 7:32 PM MST up reply actions
"Hard to Navigate"
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by SurfaceThought on Dec 13, 2011 6:48 PM MST up reply actions
From Jon Heyman...
#rockies offer to cuddyer was more than the #twins losing bid of $25M for 3 yrs. cuddyer seeking to make $30M-plus.
Not more than 10 million
Please
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We're getting into some very silly money for an average ballplayer
I like the guy, but $30 mil?
by evers44 on Dec 13, 2011 6:55 PM MST up reply actions 3 recs
15 million less than philly is spending on a closer?
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That was their problem. Plus they have more cash to throw around.
I like Cuddyer, but if the Rox sign him for 11 mil per, and then use it to start crying poverty when it comes time to add pieces for a pennant run, I’ll be pretty bent out of shape.
rox won't
Overpay for cuddyer. They only overpay for under achieving utility types. Cuddyer is a step above that, so we should be good.
by CarloWitzki on Dec 13, 2011 6:58 PM MST via iPhone app up reply actions
$25 million aaaannnnnndddd......
$1.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 13, 2011 6:59 PM MST up reply actions
Seriously though,
I will not want him if he goes all OOTP Joe Crede on us.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 13, 2011 7:03 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
What if he goes 2011 Joe Crede on us?
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Well, that didn't cost us anything,
so sure.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 13, 2011 7:05 PM MST up reply actions
ffffffffff
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 13, 2011 7:34 PM MST up reply actions
These really should be capital F's
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 13, 2011 7:42 PM MST up reply actions
From Joe Christiansen of Star Tribune...
Not sure how much is semantics, but #Twins officials saying deal with Willingham isn’t done and talks with Cuddyer aren’t dead. #staytuned
Saw that on MLBTR
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More from Heyman:
cuddyer has been mulling #rockies offer for days. so he may have another decent option. if so, rox will turn to beltran
Heyman then tweets...
cuddyer has been mulling #rockies offer for days. so he may have another decent option. if so, rox will turn to beltran
Man, you'd think we were waiting on Pujols
“Turn to Beltran” now. Once Cuddyer gets a whiff of that, he’ll decide soon enough.
I've come to the conclusion that we are hosed.
Half the roster is gone. Tulo can’t hit in the clutch. CarGo is always running into walls. Helton is light years past his prime. We have a couple number 3 starters and a pile of number 5’s (and that’s being generous), we don’t have a second basemen- never have. Third base is a black hole that will likely suck Arenado into as well. We have money to spend and we are looking to sign TYWIGGY2.0 to a 3 yr 25mm deal. And we wonder why we have never won the division. FML
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You might as well just end it all now.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 13, 2011 7:06 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah things were much better in the old days
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Back in 2011,
we had Huston Street, Ian Stewart and Chris Iannetta. It was awesome. Those were the days, my friend.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 13, 2011 7:09 PM MST up reply actions
We thought they'd never end...
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Junction Rox on Dec 13, 2011 7:15 PM MST up reply actions
We’d watch Ty Wigginton forever and a day!
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 13, 2011 7:17 PM MST up reply actions
I personally long for the days of Brian Bohanan and Preston Wilson
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I get misty eyed just thinking about....
Kirt Manwaring and Cory Sullivan.
And where have you gone, Omar Olivares? Rox Nation turns its weary eyes to you.
Kevin Ritz and Jay Hawk Owens
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Daryl Hamilton and Alex Ochoa...
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Mike Kingery… Freddy Benavides… and who can forget Eric Wedge!
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Man, that pitching staff circa '93 was brutal
Kent Bottenfield, over-the-hill Bruce Hurst, the two you mentioned… And Armando, of course, who didn’t suck.
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But seriously, that year was magic.
77,000 at Mile High, big league baseball in Denver, Dante, Big Cat, Castilla. EY. Good, good times.
That's when I became a baseball fan
(I was a kid, but still. No one else in my family is really a baseball fan, so I wasn’t necessarily going to fall in love with the game without the Rockies.)
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Yeah...
remember a game then when Armando was up against the Phils. That was a crazy game… could have pulled it out but lost 10-7.
That sounds like every other game that season :)
The other beauty of that year was really not caring if they won or lost. It was like playing with the casino’s money. Twas just cool to see ML baseball in Denver.
forgive me
But I’ve lost faith in this front office. I’ve backed DOD many times before. But it feels like we are at step freakin 1 right now. Pitching wins in this league. We have none. Pomeranz has promise, but quite frankly, he could end up being a bust. Time will tell.
by CarloWitzki on Dec 13, 2011 7:11 PM MST via iPhone app up reply actions
as a 1992-on fan I am comfortable saying this is the most pitching we have ever had
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Quantity or Quality?
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both
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My thought too
I just wanted to see what your opinion was
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Cahill and Chatwood what it the difference?
it looks like two years and home park to me
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ok
Let’s assume we have the best pitching we’ve ever had. We are still waiting for the majority of that to develop. Pomeranz has to become our #1. We don’t succeed if Chacin doesn’t morph into a true #2. White and 2 or three others have to hit their absolute maximum ceiling. We are 2 years at the minimum for fielding a formidable team. This coming from a team that in 2009 thought they were “pieces” away from a world championship. Guess we overestimated our talent pool, huh?
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Woweee
Aren’t you just a ray of sunshine? Where is all this angst coming from?
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 7:27 PM MST up reply actions
sorry
I’m just frustrated with the direction we are going. Spending any amount of money on Cuddyer is a mistake in my opinion. Why can’t we just admit we are rebuilding? Cuddyer to me, represents a piece that the FO adds because they think they are a piece or two away from being a contender. I don’t think we are that. I think that if we keep those resources in our back pocket we can be a contender as early as 2013. I like Beltran because I think he is a difference maker. I’d pay to see him in the lineup. I don’t care about cuddyer at all. If the FO thinks we are a piece or two from being formidable, what tells them that cuddyer is the answer?
by CarloWitzki on Dec 13, 2011 7:35 PM MST via iPhone app up reply actions
It's okay
look above to my “Hate it” post :-) I’m in this camp, so I’m just hoping that we don’t go out and overspend on Cuddy!
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 7:37 PM MST up reply actions
Well, we definitly overatted Ian Stewart
2011 would have been way, way, different if Ian stewart was, like, a 5.5 WAR everday player at third
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by SurfaceThought on Dec 13, 2011 7:29 PM MST up reply actions
And if Ubaldo
was his normal self. And if JDLR’s elbow didn’t go out. And if Juan Nicasio didn’t take a baseball to the neck. And if Ty Wigginton didn’t have to start in 4 positions all at once. And if CarGo didn’t run full speed into walls. And if Dexter Fowler had hit well in the first half.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 7:30 PM MST up reply actions
Well, you alwasy have to expect a certain amount of injuries, even freak injuries
Other than that, you have to admit that the difference between the Ian Stewart we dreamed of and the Ian Stewart we got is by far the biggest gap in value of any other similar situation.
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by SurfaceThought on Dec 13, 2011 7:36 PM MST up reply actions
Oh absolutely
I think the amount of "freak"ness that happened in 2011 was just outrageous though – I mean I didn’t even have to rack my brain to think of those things I listed above. I’m trying to think of some things that broke our way, and all I can think of is:
Tulo raked
Todd didn’t turn to dust
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 7:38 PM MST up reply actions
Giambi
Did basically the absolute best he could given his role on the tea,
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by SurfaceThought on Dec 13, 2011 7:42 PM MST up reply actions
Which was a stupid role
that no NL team should have – hence, 2011’d
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 14, 2011 12:01 AM MST up reply actions
I am fine with Giambi on the team
if we have real MLB players at the other positions/Super U/ 4th OF the Great Giambino is a bad idea on a team where Spilly is the 4th OF and Johnny Herrera is the IF depth
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Hold on a minute here if
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Nicasio
White
Bettis
Friedrich
Tago
Chatwood
Gardner
Anderson
Rogers
ALL reach their maximum ceilings we have an incredible young rotation. Hell we could have two incredible young rotations
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Ahhh… so this is why they dumped Street!
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 7:31 PM MST up reply actions
If HALF of them reach their ceilings
We’ll be the SF Giants of the future. Cost controlled pitching badness.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 7:32 PM MST up reply actions
This team went to the world series with Josh Fogg as a #3
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 13, 2011 7:56 PM MST up reply actions
Does it get blown up in the end?
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 13, 2011 7:58 PM MST up reply actions
I thought about starting something here by
substituting Wiggy for HItler, but that would be going a bit too far. Plus, I’m again unsure about the general knowledge of the reference.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 13, 2011 8:11 PM MST up reply actions
This, however, does have me whistling incessantly.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 13, 2011 8:13 PM MST up reply actions
Orrrrr on the other end of the spectrummmmm
We have the best SS in all of baseball for the next 10 or so years and perennial all star outfielder. We have a HOF 1B who is aging but still hits .300 and an up and coming young all star in Arenado. An ace in Pomeranz. Top two starters in De La Rosa, Chacin, White, and Matzek. Not to mention all the other guys. We still havent even talked about Rosario and Dexter. Future is looking up!
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I like this better
Just a small town kid who thinks Coors Field on a sunny summer Saturday night is the best place to be on this or any other plane of existence. When a late-inning Todd Helton go-ahead homerun is added to this scenario, my brain melts.
On the plus side
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 13, 2011 7:09 PM MST up reply actions
Here's the amusing thing for me
I am also active at Denver Stiffs. And they are posting cat gifs galore which I found extremely funny considering all the puppiezzzz today.
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Thanks for warning me.
I’m never going over there.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 13, 2011 7:15 PM MST up reply actions
Awww. They are a fun bunch. Different attitude but amusing
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/badcatallergies
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 13, 2011 7:17 PM MST up reply actions
/zyrtec ftw
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Thanks for warning me.
I’ll pop a zyrtec before I go over there.
/gooder joke
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 13, 2011 7:19 PM MST up reply actions
What's the take over there on the Nugs two pickups, Brewer and Fernandez?
Picked em up for next to nothing, so I’m good with it.
Mostly okay, but some dissenters
I am one of the dissenters because I don’t like Fernandez one little bit.
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Super low risk pickup though
But yeah, he is kind of a Euro flopper, ain’t he?
And a whiner.
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Does he wear a hat?
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 13, 2011 7:21 PM MST up reply actions
Well, for one thing we have more than "a couple number three's" ...
Pomeranz is a top 3 pitching prospect in all of baseball, and Chacin has as much talent easily. Nicasio is more like a #3 and he could be much better, too.
And before you complain about TYWIGGY2.0, which is really starting to get old (seriously, dude, how many times do you have to write it to realize everyone chuckled at it once like 500 comments ago?) tell us where else you would spend the money. Assume Beltran’s not available.
by BostonTransplant on Dec 13, 2011 7:10 PM MST up reply actions
I'm not sure this is of any use.
But, good try.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 13, 2011 7:11 PM MST up reply actions
Well
I would spend it on Prado, for one, if he is avaliable. Maybe he is, maybe he isn’t. Or scutaro if he is avalaible. Maybe he is, maybe he isn’t. Or Kuroda, maybe he would come here, maybe he wouldn’t.
I, and many others, think that Cuddyer is a bad addition to this club, for a variety of reasons that have already been hashed over ad naseum I don’t know why you are trying to turn this into a Black/White, Cuddyer or nothing situation, when that couldn’t be farther from the truth.
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by SurfaceThought on Dec 13, 2011 7:16 PM MST up reply actions
Those aren't places to spend money (Scutaro maybe)
They are trades. Spending money is for FA and we haven’t done that.
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Well, kuroda is a FA
and, yes, the other two are trades, but they are also places to spend money… I don’t get what the delineation is…
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by SurfaceThought on Dec 13, 2011 7:19 PM MST up reply actions
True
but players as a currency haven’t been used either by the team. I would like to see both used effectively but they shouldn’t depend on each other (if this happens then this can happen but it might not because team/player X balks at the idea).
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hahaha i found that funny
A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves
by waterboy31321 on Dec 14, 2011 6:40 AM MST up reply actions
Mariners in on Cuddyer
according to Heyman
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I think Cuddyer would look good in a Marlins uniform...
/Ah who am I kidding, nobody looks good in a Marlins uniform.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 13, 2011 7:14 PM MST up reply actions
That's why he's talking to the Mariners...
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Junction Rox on Dec 13, 2011 7:17 PM MST up reply actions
Ahem
opposite corners of the country there…
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by SurfaceThought on Dec 13, 2011 7:17 PM MST up reply actions
HAHA
Oops, clearly I need to read more than the first two letter of the team’s name.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 13, 2011 7:20 PM MST up reply actions
Don't worry
I thought they were the same team until I was like twelve
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by SurfaceThought on Dec 13, 2011 7:21 PM MST up reply actions
They share both letters and conceptual proximity
so that makes sense.
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Heh
conceptual proximity, I like it
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by SurfaceThought on Dec 13, 2011 7:26 PM MST up reply actions
I'm getting aggravated that a 33 yr old guy who's...
cracked the 100 RBI total once in his career is jerking us around in our effort to throw way too much money at him.
Get Beltran’s agent on the phone and let’s move on.
We've been on the phone
Geez, people. do you think the FO are completely incompetent? There is a very real chance — likelihood even — that we’re talking to both agents simultaneously now, and we’re having to choose been signing Cuddyer today (if we’ll go high enough) or hoping that Beltran will choose this random fourth place time from the middle of nowhere over all the big market offers he will likely have by the ST. And this a guy who’s already made his $100 million.
by BostonTransplant on Dec 13, 2011 7:36 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah, I know they've been on the phone
I meant “GET ON THE PHONE!” :) Get serious, get it done.
Seattle?
Hm. Not too surprising now that I think of it.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 13, 2011 7:51 PM MST up reply actions
Wow. This Rp is over 1,500 comments
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sigh
by squalene203 on Dec 13, 2011 7:19 PM MST reply actions 3 recs
Number of days until Christmas: 11
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 13, 2011 7:20 PM MST up reply actions
Number of days until 2011 is over: 18
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 7:25 PM MST up reply actions
Number of Days until ApocalypseWatch begins - 19
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Ahaha
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 7:28 PM MST up reply actions
How many comments = a Beltran signed
because we can make that happen.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 13, 2011 7:21 PM MST up reply actions
I will rec'd this
68 today, 67 tomorrow is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
I would really hate to see how many comments would be made IF we did sign Beltran
68 today, 67 tomorrow is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
Actually I wouldn't mind finding that out.
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 13, 2011 7:26 PM MST up reply actions
If by "really hate" you mean "really love"
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 13, 2011 7:28 PM MST up reply actions
Yep
68 today, 67 tomorrow is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training.
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I laughed
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 13, 2011 8:09 PM MST up reply actions
Joe Christensen is tweeting about...
After ’97 draft, #Twins gave Cuddyer a deadline, he said no and was headed to Fla State. Team called back 30 mins later with more $$$.
Now, #Twins are standing firm. If Cuddyer says no, they’ll sign Willingham and take the two draft picks.
I hope O’Dowd is smart and sees this and doesn’t want to spend the extra money on Cuddyer.
Because I need a Cuddyer break, I give you....
The All-Time Rockies’ Disappointment Team – guys who should have had better careers based on the hope we had for them
OF: Choo Freeman, Derrick Gibson, Jack Cust
3B: Stewie!
SS: Neifi Perez
2B: Roberto Mejia
1B: Ryan Shealy
P: Bryan Rekar, Franklin Morales, David Lee….and on and on and on.
Make your additions…..
Neifi perez doesn't belong on there
He is an easy player to give flac to, but he was pretty much a definition of an “average in a good way” player when he was with the Rox
Barmes, on the other hand…
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by SurfaceThought on Dec 13, 2011 7:31 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah, I was struggling to find a SS
Got a better suggestion?
Freddy Benavides comes to mind for me...
But I don’t recall how highly regarded he was.
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Omar Quintanilla?
I never thought he’d be any good, but Drew and George certainly talked him up a lot.
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That's fair
or Roberto Mejia
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Missed that one
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Barmes, totally
he had high hopes especially after his scorching hot first two months
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by SurfaceThought on Dec 13, 2011 7:33 PM MST up reply actions
Barmes is probably the best pick, here.
Even though he’s turned out ok, it’s a far cry from what we hoped for and expected.
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I liked him as a person and player
but advances metrics would say that “turned out ok” is pretty generous, at least offensively
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by SurfaceThought on Dec 13, 2011 7:40 PM MST up reply actions
Oh, I agree.
But his defense is good enough at a key position that he’s serviceable – or was at his prime, anyway.
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Prior to the "incident"
he looked really really good. It got too many people’s hopes up (kind of like certain rumors today)
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Hey, carrying-meat-up-stairs accidents happen, okay?
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by SurfaceThought on Dec 13, 2011 7:45 PM MST up reply actions
I was just about to make this point.
Neifi may be hilarious, but he did alright for himself…
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Closser at catcher
he was highly regarded as a prospect once, right?
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by SurfaceThought on Dec 13, 2011 7:38 PM MST up reply actions
Woops reply fail
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by SurfaceThought on Dec 13, 2011 7:38 PM MST up reply actions
As was Ben Petrick
although he has Parkinson’s Disease so he would logically get a pass here
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Hiveminded...
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Ooh, nice memory
Closser definitely was one of our premier failed catchers.
Ben Petrick, too, but he had extenuating circumstances.
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Yeah, I left out catcher, didn't I?
Many choices there. Closser, Jayhawk Owens, some would say the current Angels catcher who cannot be named.
Petrick didn’t work out, but he gets a break because he ended up dealing with a serious illness.(Parkinson’s). BTW, found this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojMrohO1KEQ Looks like he’s doing well, which is great to see,
We've just had too many "catcher-of-the-future" guys to count.
Ironically, we traded away Brad Ausmus in 1993. The only one who ever really amounted to much.
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Joe G. has done pretty well since he left
A couple WS rings (as a player and a coach)
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Oh yeah, he did fine...
But I wasn’t really counting him, since he wasn’t our farm product.
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Josh Bard, too.
Dealt for the immortal Jacob Crus.
Jacob Cruz
should also be on this list
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I've tried to erase him from my memory.
But he brings up another possible list:
ALL TIME GUYS WHO LOOKED GREAT IN A UNIFORM BUT COULDN’T PLAY ROCKIES LINEUP:
Jacob Cruz
Bobby Estellela
Derrick Gibson
I'll chip in with
Jayson Nix
Bubba Carpenter
(Bubba, BTW, inspired a country song that I’m still trying to sell.)
I miss the magic. (h/t papality)
Did he shoot a jukebox?
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by Junction Rox on Dec 13, 2011 10:24 PM MST up reply actions
Lets do an all time Oops we traded away a pretty good player for little return
C Brad Ausmus, Josh Bard
1B
2B Figgins
3B
SS Counsell
OF
OF
OF
SP Ashby
SP Westbrook
SP
SP
SP
RP
RP
RP
RP
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I’ll add CBM only because Delcarmen sucked that much
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"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
Wrong Barmes was a useful MLB player
Nix, Nelson and Gomez are all ahead of him
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To be fair
Jack Cust wasn’t a Rockies only prospect, we got him from AZ.
Ryan Turner would be a decent OF replacement though
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Wasn't limiting it to rox prospects
just young guys we thought were going to be special. Jose Ortiz was my second choice at 2B, for example.
Chin Hui Tsao
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Ty Wigginton can play 1B, 3B, LF, and RF for this team
Since he can apparently play all those positions on the 2011 Rockies too
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 13, 2011 7:35 PM MST up reply actions
Jeff Frye at 2B
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Ardoin
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Ardoonie.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 13, 2011 7:42 PM MST up reply actions
Imma hafta go with Shawn Chacon for pitching staff.
Both starter and bullpen
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Oh yeah for sure
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by SurfaceThought on Dec 13, 2011 7:38 PM MST up reply actions
That's precisely why he was so disappointing...
Expectations were high after an amazing half-season. Then he was basically terrible for the rest of his Rockies career.
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Phew, might as well throw on Neagle and Hampton too.
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To be fair, he was hurt
The deal served a purpose though – it was meant as a sign of appreciation to the fans that management was willing to go out and get something like that done to win a pennant.
Darryl Kile?
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To an extent
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Who's the manager of this "all-disappointment" team?
I can see good arguments for Hurdle and Tracy, but I think I’d have to go with Leyland.
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Leyland, for sure.
I had visions of sugar plums dancing in my head when he got here.
And, BTW, the official snack of the All-Disappointment Team?
Dippin’ Dots.
by evers44 on Dec 13, 2011 7:48 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
No question.
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If Dippin' Dots is the ice cream of the future,
the future is going to suck.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 13, 2011 7:50 PM MST up reply actions
Well, the company that makes them went bankrupt recently
So maybe they are the ice cream of the future after all…
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Dippin Dots: Why Eat Ice Cream When You Can....
…Swallow Small Icy Pellets Instead?
Dippin Dots!
by evers44 on Dec 13, 2011 7:51 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I always got dippin dots when I went to the ballpark as a kid
And I had them at Coors this summer….
and they were not as good as I rememberd… and I basically thought what you just said to myself.
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by SurfaceThought on Dec 13, 2011 7:56 PM MST up reply actions
Juan Morillo, Reynolds, and especially Chin Hui Tsao are the top guys from this decade if you ask me
Unless you’re ready to call it on weathers friedrich matzek
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What do you mean by "this" decade?
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 13, 2011 7:49 PM MST up reply actions
Century is what he means
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2001-2011 I guess
i have no clue about anyone from the 90’s so i was really referring to guys I know
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Oh the verdicts already on weathers
Friedrich probably too soon
Matzek way way way too soon’
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by SurfaceThought on Dec 13, 2011 7:49 PM MST up reply actions
Nix belongs on there
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Since it was mentioned earlier
Rosario update: .248/.310/.461. In 154 PA’s has 7 home runs (2nd in the league), and an 8% bb rate and a 25% k rate.
Same as it ever was…
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But how many PB, WP, CS?
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Dammit I miss Arenado updates
thsoe were way more exciting
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by SurfaceThought on Dec 13, 2011 7:43 PM MST up reply actions
and where the hell did they get those numbers on Esmil
it says on the site he has like a 12 ERA with 7 walks and 5 ks in 6.1 innings…
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now thats the Rogers I've expected to come around
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Probably hasn't updated?
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Dec 13, 2011 7:52 PM MST up reply actions
yea ignore it
they haven’t updated it in a while it seems
I checked his last three starts he hasn’t been 12 ERA bad.
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actually better than I thought it would be.
for his first season in the DWL. That’s still a solid ISO and it seems he might be walking more.
That's no bueno, but it's Rosario being Rosario.
It’s right at the border of where I think “this can get better.” That might be a bit of a delusion, but 25% is my acceptable line at that level for prospects at that age.
I think I’m most annoyed by the k-rate because I’m expected it to just be a repeat of the past 3-4 years with CDI, Stewart, and Fowler. Flashes of awesome, flashes of being totally lost, demotions etc. I just want closure dammit.
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oh trust me, it will definitely be all of that...
don’t expect too much from Rosario, especially at first, or you’ll feel like you’re getting Michael Cuddyer for Christmas rather than Carlos Beltran.
It's becoming obvious the kind of player Rosario is going to be.
Low avg, low OBP, high SLG, will have OPS around .700 because of the high SLG. 20+ HRs a year, high K rate.
Ehhhhh. Hopefully he improves though.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Dec 13, 2011 8:01 PM MST up reply actions
like all other fans of all other teams’ prospects, we’re just hoping for a break out. I pray to Saint Mike Napoli that Rosario can ‘figure it out’ and drastically reduce his k-rate just like Napoli this past season… and that he does it sooner rather than later…
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sounds like Iannetta
Hopefully Tracy won’t be around to run him out of town too.
by CarloWitzki on Dec 13, 2011 8:03 PM MST via iPhone app up reply actions 1 recs
Except for the OBP part.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Dec 13, 2011 8:03 PM MST up reply actions
That's why the gradual improvement in the walk rate is actually very encouraging..
And the biggest plus to be taken from his DWL (don’t get me wrong, I’m not ignoring the continued contact negative) stint could be that he’ll have a chance to have average OBP with just a little improvement in the contact. That’s a big step forward from the completely empty low average he was headed for before and I think you’re downplaying it a little.
By comparison, he had a 4.5% walk rate in Tulsa last season
and a 3.5% rate in the MLB. 8% is a big step forward in that department, actually.
How is the DWL competition
compared to AA and MLB though?
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Probably a bit below AAA, but around that level.
There are a lot of MLB players that participate, a lot of veteran minor leaguers.
soooooo
Miguel olivo
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUT5rEU6pqM&ob=av2n
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 13, 2011 7:56 PM MST up reply actions
the power is def there and the walk rate is encouraging – if he had an 8% bb rate in the bigs it would be average and I would be fine with it. The k rate is still disappointing. He might be a guy that just destroys in CO and is crap on the road (stop me if you’ve heard that before!!)
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We've all these comments without
RtC and Paleface
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And only one centurion so far (Toddfather's Goatee)
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see below. LOL
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It is really spread out amongst everyone today
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I've done that all with my first post at 4:30 MST.
Word.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 13, 2011 7:56 PM MST up reply actions
Imagine if you'd been here all day.
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Well.
I’ve sadly been here nonstop since then because the family was out. They just got home, so I’ll be hitting the bedtime routine soon. It was a good run.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 13, 2011 7:59 PM MST up reply actions
I've been here since 1:30 this afternoon
Just haven’t posted alot.
I wish I had a picture of my dog———→ Boscoe. He is a 1 yr old 60 pound Pit Bull. My 4 year old can almost ride him like a horse. LOL
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I'm too lazy to upload my dog pictures
plus, seems like that ship has sailed already.
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Everyone loves dog pictures. If I had it I would put it up.
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More pictures might crash the thread
given how sluggish it is already.
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My blerg
mine is working just fine
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I love all of you guys
Thanks for taking my baseball fandom experience to the next level.
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by SurfaceThought on Dec 13, 2011 7:58 PM MST up reply actions
sarchasm?
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No actually
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by SurfaceThought on Dec 13, 2011 8:00 PM MST up reply actions
ok, I was just wondering. Some folks hate it when I post numbers up like that.
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Why would that be?
This place does help take discussion and fandom to the next level
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Dang
And to think, I was proud of getting over 40 for the first time ever
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 13, 2011 8:01 PM MST up reply actions
I'm almost to 50, however, there were a bunch in front of me so I only went so far.
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Fortunately you didn't post the whole list
‘cause it’s long.
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My blerg
exactly.
Didn’t want to get banned.
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yeah that's what'll get you banned
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 13, 2011 8:13 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I learned my lesson from posting a long thing before
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still missing it
that’s ok
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 13, 2011 10:12 PM MST up reply actions
I'm not normal
but I was around most of the day because I didn’t go to work because my car hit an elk at 11:15 last night
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I am avoiding studying for a Bio final
maybe thats why there were so many comments
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 14, 2011 6:42 AM MST up reply actions
OT: Nuggets re-sign Nene :) YAY!!!
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Wow - that's big
Nugs suddenly looking pretty good. Can’t wait to see Nene and Faried on the floor together.
5 yrs, 67 mil
why, that’s Cuddyer money we’re talkin’!
More like Beltran or Kuroda
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that's a lot of money for a 7 foot soccer player.
/ohsnap.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 13, 2011 8:51 PM MST up reply actions
You shush
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/gets hangnail
/misses week of games
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 13, 2011 9:02 PM MST up reply actions
And it looks like AAA is close too :D
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No way! I never thought we would get to keep both
OT: this is the first post brought to you from my new linux OS
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by SurfaceThought on Dec 13, 2011 8:31 PM MST up reply actions
It's not a done deal, but it's sounding promising
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What about the nuggets players that played abroad
How many are going to be able to come back?
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by SurfaceThought on Dec 13, 2011 8:38 PM MST up reply actions
Chandler, K-Mart and JR Smith are all gone until at least March
No outs in their Chinese deals. Chandler’s the only guy I’d expect back in a Nugs uni anyway.
Smith: The Ian Stewart of the nugs (sorta)
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by SurfaceThought on Dec 13, 2011 8:43 PM MST up reply actions
OH HELLL NO
J.R. is a knucklehead but he can win games and drain threes like a plumber.
You take that back mister.
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AAA, or his OS?
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Ujiri and Josh Kroenke are kicking serious butt
Ever since the Melo deal they’ve been on a huge roll. Great draft, Brewer and the Euro-flopper, nene and then Afflalo.
They’ve built a team that can and should contend in the West.
OH HELL YES!!!!!!
Love NENE. Couldn’t be happier that he is back!!!
by CarloWitzki on Dec 13, 2011 8:35 PM MST via iPhone app up reply actions
The Nuggets will present some crazy matchup problems for teams
Athletic big guys, quick multi-positional swingmen types…..add in some plus defenders and a kid (Faried) who will be a rebounding beast and…oh man. This is gonna be fun.
I'll cheer for that on behalf of jpage
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 13, 2011 10:12 PM MST up reply actions
OT: For all you hockey fans
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Tomorrow
It’s going to happen. I can feel it. Dan is going to say screw you Cuddyer, and sign Beltran. Cuddyer is going to over play his market, and end up playing in some Peruvian league next year. .
Can you imagine how the ball would fly in Peru?
There’s not a humidor big enough.
I’ll give yo my report from the Peruvian league soon enough.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 13, 2011 9:01 PM MST up reply actions
From MLB Rumors: "Indians In Serious Talks With Jose Lopez"
Serious talks? Shouldn’t it be this:
INDIANS: Hey Jose, want a job?
JOSE: Absolutely.
by evers44 on Dec 13, 2011 8:48 PM MST reply actions 7 recs
LOL rec for perfection
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Good, somebody needs to have a serious talk with that guy,
cost me a year of my life.
by Rox Girl on Dec 13, 2011 8:51 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
You know RG, I know people, who know people
who know people….just sayin’
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Writes a lot?
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Yeah
He does write some words, but it’s usually something like gjhhdljbgfhldbsaghn over and over and over and over.
Does it become a manifesto?
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Not sure
I stopped talking to him when he started to write about his never ending love for Jim Tracy and Jose Lopez.
Good decision
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that looks like my drunken statement back in May
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that looks like my drunken statement back in May
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how do you scratch stuff out?
Hard to navigate.
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copy and paste what you want to strikeout
and click the S with the line through it
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is that like the dollar bill sign?
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No I mean on the comment window
next the italic
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I have no idea how to do that. LOL
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Guess Im more computer illiterate than I though
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Okay on the window
you are using to type these comments. do you see the B I S quotes and link icons?
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I see now. If it was a snake it wouldve bit me
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No worries :)
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Thnaks Cat. See below
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yea
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Lets try it
how do you scratch stuff out?
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YAY!!!
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What other kind of neato things can you do on here? LOL
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put a dash on each side of the phrase -boom-
boom
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Man I was tired that night. LOL
WE MUCH AN ASS KICKING HALF THIS TIME. COMEBACK
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INDIANS: Jose Lopez, you’ve been a bad bad baseball player.
JOSE LOPEZ: I thought this was about a job.
INDIANS: No, we just wanted to have a serious talk with you about how you’ve been so cruel to Rockies fans, and Mariners fans.
JOSE LOPEZ: But…
INDIANS: No excuses! Quiet time, now!
He at least needs a time out
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Just tell him to pull his head out and get in the game.
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don't you owe muzia a tulo jersey or something
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 13, 2011 10:13 PM MST up reply actions
No
That was Muzia’s half of the deal. I don’t think Rox Girl ever went all in there though.
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 13, 2011 10:22 PM MST up reply actions
its green
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bahahahah look at you
look at this post
look at it
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 13, 2011 10:14 PM MST up reply actions
M-M-M-M-MATT DUCHENE
Avvs lead
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I was reading the Cuddyer Twitter feed.
He seems like he’s a kind of a doofus.
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Link a doofusy one
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by SurfaceThought on Dec 13, 2011 9:15 PM MST up reply actions
Here's some, but it's more like a general feel:
http://twitter.com/#!/mcuddy5/status/129774836938579968
This exchange:
http://twitter.com/#!/mcuddy5/status/125346706106748928 and http://twitter.com/#!/mcuddy5/status/125347509781540864
http://twitter.com/#!/mcuddy5/status/120536556749602816
He’s a pretty good photog though. He posts photos of the ballparks he plays in throughout the year.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 13, 2011 9:25 PM MST up reply actions
Beltran Twitter Feed is better.
Nice friendly messages. Not used very often.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 13, 2011 9:33 PM MST up reply actions
I'm in on Beltran.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 13, 2011 9:34 PM MST up reply actions
Oh the irony. Ian was vilified by some for his
twittering ways and now we are liking players for their twittericity.
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Sources: Willingham’s near agreement with Twins is for three years, $21 million. Sides very close to a deal.
Not horrible, but three years is tough. Cuddyer is losing leverage quick.
7 million a year and everyone thought it was going to be double digits
68 today, 67 tomorrow is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training.
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I saw several folks(dont remember who) thought it would take 10-11 million a year to sign him.
68 today, 67 tomorrow is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
I got into a discussion about the Hammer. I dont remember when it was but it was like 2 or 3 weeks ago I think.
68 today, 67 tomorrow is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
Possibly Interesting, Possibly Meaningless
TroyRenck Troy Renck, Rockies
Early, early flight tomorrow for paper. Mystery assignment. Will chat later
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Probably going to Nepal to find Sidd Finch, Jr.
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by Junction Rox on Dec 13, 2011 10:29 PM MST up reply actions
dammit troy
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 13, 2011 10:14 PM MST up reply actions
Congrats folks
I’m pretty sure we broke the record for most comments in a single thread on this site. This is PR history.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 13, 2011 10:13 PM MST reply actions
well that's just because I haven't been at a computer all night to overflow it
and I CERTAINLY wasn’t anticipating another 700 comments after work, else I’d have posted one at like 530.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 13, 2011 10:16 PM MST up reply actions
he's gonna go look it up now
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 13, 2011 10:16 PM MST up reply actions
Now that I think of it
There was an overflow on that one. Still, by far the most fun on this site, ever.
That's the thing
It’s more about no overflow than how busy the site actually is but hey it’s something
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 13, 2011 10:20 PM MST up reply actions
OT: Is Katy Perry's "Teenage Dream" the "Jagged Little Pill" of the 2010s?
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so
this thread takes some time to load
arenado: it's Rockie for future
Jeez guys, I spend a few hours on Physics and this thread's close to 2000
Holy moly.
Your 2012 Colorado Rockies:freshly exorcised from Ty Wigginton
It would be neat if SB Nation had a buttun that jumped just from one green comment to another (similar to the z button)
SO people could get all the best stuff from this thread really quickly
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 13, 2011 10:32 PM MST reply actions
Nope, not gonna say it....just walkin away
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
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I cycled past a car with the licence plate G5POT yesterday.
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Where is that? I can't find it...
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by Junction Rox on Dec 13, 2011 10:37 PM MST up reply actions
With the Nene signing, plus Tebow...
the Rockies HAVE to answer! They will look small in the eyes of Denver’s sports fans if they fail to make a splash this winter now. Starting with Carlos Beltran, I hope!
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 13, 2011 10:38 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Nothing new...
In my history of rooting for the Rockies.
Nothing in my history
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
Dammit.
Nothing new in my history of life…
bleh.
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
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This is so sad
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 13, 2011 11:09 PM MST up reply actions
Oh dear God,
Tell me that shirt is real, and then tell me where I can buy it.
/perfectinsultingchirstmaspresent
I miss the magic. (h/t papality)
It is
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 13, 2011 11:09 PM MST up reply actions
Just had to post so I could be part of this epic thread
It is difficult to follow along on mobile once theres over 1000 comments but with the Beltran news I had to try and everytime i checked there were 200 more comments.. nicely done ladies and gents
"Don't give up, don't ever give up" - Jim Valvano
Well its 3:00 AM and I am still up. Been on this single thread for 13 and a half hours.
Looks like I could be the last one on it. Someone will come in and make the last statement. Well, here goes. Goodnight everyone, this thread was a blast and so many good comments were made. Hell, I even got a green comment, so that must mean something. Those don’t happen very often for me. Hopefully, everyone will be back. We ALL will be waiting on word about Beltran. Maybe some more dogs will show up. Maybe it’ll be cats. But, all I have to say is this. The Colorado Rockies must have the greatest fans in the world. It was December 13th, where nothing is really happening, and we combined commented more than what we do for most games.
This is the 1,887th comment. We must love our team, or we were all really bored today.
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Willingham has been signed by the Twins
Cuddyer or Beltran are the options now.
by Mr. Rockie on Dec 14, 2011 5:51 AM MST reply actions 2 recs
This is very funny and deserves to be on the comment of the year list.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 14, 2011 6:10 AM MST up reply actions
At the time,
this was the last post. Basically, all that happened in the whole day was summed up by your post. Yet your post was #188something.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 14, 2011 6:55 AM MST up reply actions
5 teams in on Beltran?
Scott Miller of CBSSports.com reports that the Blue Jays, Rockies and Cardinals are among at least five teams expressing interest in free agent Carlos Beltran.
kinda what we figured would happen, Rockies get interest———>other teams with more money get interest————>other teams sign Beltran———→Rockies hopes crushed
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 14, 2011 7:49 AM MST up reply actions
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