Saturday Rockpile: Reactions to the Michael Cuddyer Signing, More
by Bryan Kilpatrick on Dec 17, 2011 8:00 AM MST
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PrintWell, yesterday the Rockies finally did what many have been clamoring for them to do - spend some money in free agency. While the club didn't quite make the splash that some were hoping for (Carlos Beltran) and didn't necessarily fill a glaring hole on the roster, they did get a guy who just came off a season in which he hit 20 bombs while playing half of his games in a cavernous ballpark and has a chance to be a plus bat in an already good-but-not-great lineup. With that, let's welcome Michael Cuddyer to Denver with open arms. Tweet at him here.
Now, to the reactions..
Scott Miller from CBS Sports thinks that the Rockies have made a pretty good upgrade by inking Cuddyer, and he seems to like the direction that the Rockies have headed during this offseason. However, the largest upgrade may come in the form of clubhouse presence, and not necessarily on the field. Cuddyer's 2011 numbers vs. those of Seth Smith:
Cuddyer - .284/.346/.459
Smith - .284/.347/.483
Weeeeiiiiird. However, those eerily similar figures would likely change a little bit - likely in favor of Cuddyer - with the proper park adjustments in place.
In addition to Miller, Jon Heyman thinks the Rockies have done well by picking up the 32 year old slugger. Let's hope Heyman is right and that Cuddyer turns out to be this year's Michael Young. Speaking of Young, Fangraphs' Matt Klassen sees the comparison as well, but for different reasons. However, Klassen does say that the move could turn out to be a solid one depending on how the Rox continue to build their roster this offseason. I agree with this assessment completely, for what it's worth.
Of course, there are some negative reactions. Dan Szymborski spent a good portion of his morning absolutely tearing Cuddyer and the Rockies apart via Twitter - the most notable, in my mind, was this tweet. Meanwhile, it's no surprise that Keith Law completely despised the signing. From his Insider-only piece on ESPN.com:
The damage caused by a play not made on a batted ball in Coors Field is too high to mess around with a brutal defender like Cuddyer in the outfield, and if you look at the years when Colorado has succeeded over the past decade, it's been in large part because of strong defenses. Cuddyer is below average -- to be kind -- at all four corner positions, and his bat isn't good enough to carry his glove at any of them.
Cuddyer seems to already be a bit of a polarizing figure amongst Rockies fans. This should make for an interesting 2012. If Cuddyer hits something like what Michael Young did last year, he'll be loved by all. However, if he has a Ty Wigginton-type of average-to-below average year, he's going to get absolutely crushed by the common folk.
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It seems the Rockies and Brad Lidge have an intense mutual interest in each other, so there's a pretty good possibility we'll see Lidge in purple pinstripes for 2012. His agent, a powerful man (as the fact that he boasts a two-first-names name would suggest), says that location will weigh heavily in Lidge's decision, and what place is better than home? In 2011, Lidge posted a 1.40 ERA in 19.1 innings pitched, exhibiting the same type of solid K rate (10.7) and heart-racing BB rate (6.1) that he's always been known for.
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Yeah... Keith Law...
The years that the Rockies have been most successful lately, 2007 and 2009, they had Brad Hawpe taking most of the innings in the position that Cuddyer projects to play most. Now I’m not saying that Cuddyer’s quality on D, but he’s no Brad Hawpe, and that’s in a good way.
UZR grades basically all rox OF negative, right?
Their successful clubs have had great IF defense, important because of ground ball pitchers. For all the Barmes frustration, he did turn a nice 6-4-3 with Tulo
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by I_Am_Marshall on Dec 17, 2011 8:29 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Secret of why Barmes stuck around so long, right there...
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by Paleface Destro on Dec 17, 2011 8:34 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Slight OT
I was listening to an interview with Casey McGahee the other day regarding his trade to the Pirates and he was asked the question about how it felt to be traded from a playoff team to a team that hadn’t had a winning season since Millard Fillmore was president or something like that. He didn’t seem to pleased with the question but was trying to say the right thing and finally settled on a comment about Barmes saying
Well at least I won’t have to worry about Clint Barmes. I swear if he robbed me of another hit I was going to kill him.
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by Kris Hansen on Dec 17, 2011 9:07 AM MST up reply actions 4 recs
It’s funny that a SABR-fascist like Law just makes stuff up when he wants to. It kind of soils his position.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 17, 2011 8:31 AM MST up reply actions
Keith Law a facist?
But he’d also look good in a Brownshirt, goose-stepping around. Love how he said Houston ‘got over’ on the Red Sox this past week in the Melancon deal. lmao You should see how he acts on Twitter…or used to. Total numpty.
No, no, he's right, of course
Let’s break this down.
First of all, Todd Helton isn’t getting younger. That automatically means drastically worse fielding.
Second, Kaz Matsui had an amazing fielding season at 2B in 2007, and Barmes had a solidly positive fielding season in 2009, and the Rockies don’t have a 2B. So there’s a dropoff of a bunch of defense, as not having a 2B makes it hard to field the position.
Troy Tulowitzki mumble mumble gold glove mumble uzr mumble
Garrett Atkins mumble mumble Jamey Caroll mumble 8th inning mumble
Matt Holliday was totally mumble mumble good speed mumble range mumble Carlos Gonzalez mumble
But see, Willy Taveras was awesome when he was healthy, and when he wasn’t, Ryan Spilborghs mumble mumble mumble
Brad Hmumble mumble Strong Arm mumble mumble
So in conclusion, the Rockies won’t make the playoffs because of Michael Cuddyer.
/closes oversized story book
The End.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2011 9:16 AM MST up reply actions 10 recs
(fwiw, my beef with the Cuddyer signing still stands, but I’m withholding further complaints until they’re not based on "If"’s)
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2011 11:17 AM MST up reply actions
This is awesome
And totally correct.
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by Charlie77 on Dec 17, 2011 3:48 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
As always
Keith Law can go suck an egg. His tone turns his journalistic talent into a waste.
Wait, what's his real name? We should make a joke out of that.
by BrandonHawpe on Dec 17, 2011 4:35 PM MST up reply actions
Cuddyer is brutal?
Yeah…because “The Seth Smith Show”—with fairly frequent cameos by Ty Wigginton and Lil’ EY—was a defensive smash hit.
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by Paleface Destro on Dec 17, 2011 8:31 AM MST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
Guest star Ryan Spilborghs was at least serviceable
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by Paleface Destro on Dec 17, 2011 8:32 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Well, Smith had a poor season, that's for sure
If he were to stick around, he’s been an average-to-positive fielder in past years, so I’m thinking 2011 was just a Bad Year rather than “Seth Smith can’t Field!”
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2011 9:18 AM MST up reply actions
It's "Seth 'The Smith' Show" :P
I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.
by prettyinpurple on Dec 17, 2011 12:09 PM MST up reply actions
The Rockies always build
their defense up the middle. If you look at the corners, really, only Helton has been above average. Beyond Helton, they have run such defensive liabilities as Atkins, Holliday, Hawpe, and Smith.
Good Point.
And, Stephen Hawking (without his Wheelchair) has better range than Smith…
by nt_eagle on Dec 17, 2011 9:00 AM MST reply actions 3 recs
I heard he's a big-time SABR guy
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by I_Am_Marshall on Dec 17, 2011 9:21 AM MST up reply actions
I've heard that
Hawking has better throwing motion than Tebow.
I believe.
by Lost Winter on Dec 17, 2011 10:57 AM MST up reply actions
well that's science
arenado: it's Rockie for future
Prado is still the key.
A lineup looking like this is competitive even with mediocre pitching.
1) Fowler
2) Prado
3) Cargo
4) Tulo
5) Cuddyer
6) Helton
7) Hernandez
8) DJLM
The 25-Man also looks great.
C) Hernandez/Rosario
1B) Helton/Giambi
2B) DJLM
SS) Tulo
3B) Prado
LF) Cargo
CF) Fowler
RF) Cuddyer
MI) Herrera
CI) Pacheco
OF) ARMY
At this point, we need to offer the Braves anybody except Pomeranz, Chacin, and those listed above—as many as they want.
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Unfortunately,
I think part of the issues is that the Braves realize that they are creating competition for the WC with that trade. I hope that maybe the new playoff rules make them less wary.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 17, 2011 9:24 AM MST up reply actions
The Braves can hold out if they want...
They can get something come July for Jurrjens/Prado. Especially if a couple of their young Arms have a good Season, ie. Delgado, Teheran. Wren seems like he wants to be overwhelmed, or is wanting Meyers REAL bad from Kansas City…
Braves
can hold out if they want, but they’ve made it exceedingly clear they want a CF, and Smith. If we were to get Prado into the lineup and fill a 2b/3b hole it would be worth it to trade away some of our outfield depth. Hopefully Smith/Wheeler plus anybody else not on the 25 man would be enough.
Staring out the window, waiting for spring.
The Rockies won 73 games last year.
I highly doubt the Braves are worried about creating competition. By that same reasoning, you could say they wouldn’t want to trade with Pittsburgh or Chicago, for the same reason. But that would be absurd because those teams are garbage, just like the Rockies last year.
by Purple Rockies on Dec 17, 2011 10:29 AM MST up reply actions
plus
if either Colvin or Hoffman turn it around, we have our outfield depth again. Hoffman doesn’t look too promising, Colvin is a year removed from a 113 wRC+ season. I’d hate to lose Blackmon, but filling 3b with a veteran who can actually field the position would be very nice.
Staring out the window, waiting for spring.
If we signed Keppinger over Herrera that would be even better
He could split with DJLM and be backup SS right?
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Sure.
But I don’t think it’d be necessary nor necessarily cost-effective. Unless DJLM is an absolute disaster.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 17, 2011 10:23 AM MST up reply actions
Arenado?
Even if he’s not on the 25 man, I’m not sure we should be offering him up for Prado…
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by Junction Rox on Dec 17, 2011 10:52 AM MST up reply actions
Good Point
I saw that too, just assumed he didn’t meaan to exclude him from pom chacin list
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don't think
any Rockies fan would think of sending Arenado anywhere.
Staring out the window, waiting for spring.
Some have advocated that
on the “he might not pan out” theory. I guess I’ll never say never, but it would take a hell of an offer to get me to consider it.
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by Junction Rox on Dec 17, 2011 12:21 PM MST up reply actions
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“We (Derek Jeter and I) always talk about getting old, gray, and fat when our careers are over and just having a good time. He’s like me. He wants to have a good time and be a good person. It’s a weird situation for us. It’s just like we’re looking in the mirror. the only difference is I’m on the West Coast and he’s on the East Coast.” ~Alex Rodriguez
I think he’s still with the Rangers at this point
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West Coast would suggest he's still with the Mariners
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2011 10:17 AM MST up reply actions
good catch
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JFK
Now he could say the opposite, Jeter lives on the West Coast, he lives on the East Coast.
It would be true if we’re only talking about Florida.
i like going after lidge
especially since we missed my other bullpen desire, broxton
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i mostly want them so they can't pitch against us
arenado: it's Rockie for future
Lidge is far from terrible
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2011 11:18 AM MST up reply actions
Welcome to Purple Row!
It’s great to have new people add to the positive atmosphere around here.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 17, 2011 1:04 PM MST up reply actions
sorry
Lidge and Broxton are both totally excellent players! Both of them are at the peak of their careers and would be a great addition to the Rockies! Neither one is at all washed up, and at bargain basement prices, they would be perfect for our squadron!
That better, champ?
by Purple Rockies on Dec 17, 2011 2:07 PM MST up reply actions
Don't take it personally...
The joke is that this community tends to be pretty pessimistic overall
It's mostly been lately.
The changes are scary. People have the right to be skeptical. I’m foolishly optimistic.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 17, 2011 2:17 PM MST up reply actions
How dare you!
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My blerg
Thought it might be something like that.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 17, 2011 2:16 PM MST up reply actions
I thought it seemed familiar!
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2011 4:24 PM MST up reply actions
depends on Lidge
if his GB% K/9 stay as high as they were last year, it might be worth it, and his 2010 numbers aren’t as great, but they’re not ridiculously terrible. My concern with him would be HR/9, which would be problematic at Coors.
Staring out the window, waiting for spring.
if his velocity doesn't recover
then perhaps.
Staring out the window, waiting for spring.
they're not terrible at all
They’re downright decent.
Not “Pre-Pujols” Lidge good, but for a RHP they’re pretty good.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2011 11:18 AM MST up reply actions
Is there a chance that Smith stays here?
I harped a lot about the signing yesterday because it seems like the money could have been better spent, or just not spent at all. But, I like the argument that if the Rox succeeded with an OF defense of Holliday, Taveras and Hawpe, they can succeed with an OF of Cuddyer, Dex and Cargo.
It would be nice, though, to have a good LH bat on the bench to give Cuddyer a day off against tough RHP, to pinch hit, or to give the other corner a day off. Maybe Blackmon can do that, but we know that Smith can do it.
Since the Braves are unlikely to take a package centered around Smith and a lesser prospect than Wheeler, it doesn’t seem like there’s an obvious return that could match the value of Smith to the Rox.
Also, if Helton goes down and Cuddy goes to 1B
Being able to stick Smith in the OF would ensure there is little or no drop off (everything else being equal).
I raised this point yesterday
or maybe the day before. Moving Smith to the bench might cause him to lose trade value, but he’s truly excelled as a bench player and a late-inning PH. I guess I would rather see base hits and RBI in the 8th and 9th inning than a scene out of The Wrestler that ends up as a strikeout, but the Rockies’ management apparently feels differently.
I’m fine with trading Smith if there’s actually a good return, but I’ve said for months now that he’s just not going to bring as much as the “trade buzz” suggests – and I think you’re seeing that play out.
by Northsider1964 on Dec 17, 2011 11:08 AM MST up reply actions
Blackmon, Wheeler
Pick you poison; use Smith to fill other holes and hope that with Blackmon and Wheeler we have the pieces on hand to cover Smith’s production or keep Smith and find another way to address our holes.
Myself, I’d trade Smith and gamble on Blackmon/Wheeler. I think Smith is valuable but I think one thing the Rockies have proved quite competent at is producing OF"s of Smith’s ilk, which gives me hope that Wheeler and/or Blackmon are more than capable of stepping up.
Fine but I just question how impressed the Braves, Reds or whoever really are with Smith
The marketing pitch seems to be, "We have this nice guy with occasional power, but he can’t hit lefties, his defense has slipped and he doesn’t give us the clubhouse presence we’re looking for.
And so, we’d like to make him the centerpiece of a major trade…
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by Northsider1964 on Dec 17, 2011 11:32 AM MST up reply actions
This is precisely why I want to keep him and platoon him.
No way we get back in trade what his production could be with 500PA v RHP in 2012.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2011 11:33 AM MST up reply actions
There's no way that Cuddyer's not starting everyday in RF
I wish it weren’t the case, but the FO have made it pretty obvious that it will be. The FO doesn’t like Smith, so first they’re destroying their leverage with him by signing his replacement, then they’re going to sell low.
Hurray
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by Jeff Aberle on Dec 17, 2011 12:32 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Cuddyer will be an everyday player
But it seems like the position he plays might not be the same everyday.
basically this...
The FO has made it pretty clear that he will see time at 1B and they seemingly haven’t shut the door on 3B.
That said, I agree with JA that the clock’s ticking on what remaining leverage they have for trading Smith. There’s not a very long half life with that once you bring a player’s likely replacement on board.
Fine, but the point is that Smith isn't going to be in the OF next year
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by Jeff Aberle on Dec 17, 2011 12:46 PM MST up reply actions
I think he's dead to the FO.
I doubt it.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 17, 2011 12:56 PM MST up reply actions
CarGo, Dex, Cuddyer
The best OF in baseball?
If they are all healthy and producing where they should be, I dare say….yes?
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 17, 2011 11:03 AM MST via mobile reply actions
hardly
jennings/upton/zobrist/joyce, gardner/granderson/swisher, thames/snider/rasmus/bautista all have more potential, and that’s without even leaving the AL East
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Bautista is the only one better than Cargo on that list.
Not that I think we have the best OF in baseball but it’s not too bad. I’d say top five if we get 2nd half dex.
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Granderson is pretty f'ing good.
7 fWAR last year, while playing below average defense in center (he’s capable of playing average defense). He’s only had .1 less fWAR than Cargo over the last two years, and has another excellent year further back (2007).
jennings/upton/zobrist/joyce
No.
The Rockies don’t have the best, but the Rays aren’t close to being in the top 5.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 17, 2011 1:01 PM MST up reply actions
look how wrong you are
http://www.fangraphs.com/teams.aspx?pos=of&stats=bat&lg=all&type=8&season=2011&month=0&season1=2011
and that was with jennings playing in only 63 games, and not even 300 outfield innings from zobrist
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They're 8th.
Not close to being in the top 5.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 17, 2011 1:14 PM MST up reply actions
the 6th, 7th, and 8th teams are all withing .5 WAR of each other
that’s well within margin of error. and like i said, project jennings over a full season, and they did it with zobrist getting essentially no outfield time. it’s top 5
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- Diamondback 14.5 WAR
- Rays 13.0 WAR
Perhaps you have a different definition of close than I do. That’s not close for me.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 17, 2011 1:29 PM MST up reply actions
Weird formatting.
But the Dbacks are fifth.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 17, 2011 1:30 PM MST up reply actions
Latos to Reds for Alonso and others...
Damn. What are the Pads thinking? Latos must be damaged goods. Kid can bring it, imo.
Awwww shit. I wanted Alonso.
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Me too.
I’m worried about the longterm future of 1B in Colorado.
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holy crap
did not see that coming
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Where are Latos numbers if he pitches in a neutral park instead of PetCo?
He is moving to the Great American smallpark
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 17, 2011 11:17 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Alonso is an interesting prospect
but he’s getting to be a bit Lars Anderson at this point. Great numbers in 88 MLB ABs last year: .943 OPS, but that’s most likely well above his talent level.
Gee, couldn't we have given them something like that for Alonso?
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by Roxman4ever on Dec 17, 2011 11:18 AM MST up reply actions
You tell me, could we have?
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2011 11:20 AM MST up reply actions
I dont know. everyone else here are the geniuses
64 today, 63 tomorrow is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training.
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by Roxman4ever on Dec 17, 2011 11:20 AM MST up reply actions
Think it through for a minute.
Do we have a pitcher as good as Latos that we can afford to lose?
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2011 11:21 AM MST up reply actions
No, Im still waking up.
Brain still isnt quite functioning well yet.
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by Roxman4ever on Dec 17, 2011 11:22 AM MST up reply actions
So there you go
No, we couldn’t have made that trade.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2011 11:23 AM MST up reply actions
thanks for waking me up.
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by Roxman4ever on Dec 17, 2011 11:24 AM MST up reply actions
No, is the answer, if they were looking for SP
Unless they’d have taken Hammel. Latos is a pretty good pitcher, but if it seems like they should want someone with a higher GB%.
We don't have anything like Latos.
We already traded Ubaldo. JDLR is on the mend. We are not about to trade The Machine IMO. So who’s left?
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Never Saw that coming
so, who won?
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Us, because we're going to get Volquez now.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2011 11:20 AM MST up reply actions
This does free up Volquez for Smith now.....
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 17, 2011 11:21 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Thoguht we wanted to give up Smith for Prado?
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by Roxman4ever on Dec 17, 2011 11:22 AM MST up reply actions
We should've made it a 3way (heh)
Well… it sort of was, seeing how you can just tack Street for Nobody onto that and then the inevitable Volquez for somebody, so it ends up “Street + Somebody for Volquez”
Yay we jobbed ourselves.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2011 11:22 AM MST up reply actions
Volquez value wise does not equal Smith. It just doesn't.
We can get him for less.
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Really? What would your package be?
It’s been awhile, but he was a 4 fWAR pitcher in 2008. He has the potential to do 3-4 fWAR for a few seasons as a Rockie. Plus he gets GBs like crazy, and has a good K rate. The BB rate, however…
Yes, and in those 3 years, he's had 32 starts
and he’s been terrible in his last 20. He’s a good reclamation project, but he’s now the odd man out of the Reds rotation. We nearly got him for Street, who went for nothing. The difference between Volquez and Smith is that Smith has actually been useful 2 out of the past 3.
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To me, this is just more evidence that Smith is worth more to the Rockies
than whatever he’d bring back in return. Volquez may not definitely be worth more or less, but I think a lot of people here would see it as a reasonable return. Jurrjens would, of course, be prefereable.
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
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Told by source that edinson Volquez going in trade to padres"
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 17, 2011 11:28 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
well.
that was unexpected.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2011 11:28 AM MST up reply actions
NNNOOOOOO
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meh. I'm better now
lets go get prado
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They got Volquez and Alonso for Latos?
I think the Pads got the best end of that deal
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by Roxman4ever on Dec 17, 2011 11:29 AM MST up reply actions
I can agree on that
But that also depends on Latos’ health and attitude going forward.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2011 11:29 AM MST up reply actions
Even if Latos stays happy and healthy
the Pads probably come out no worse than even on this one. They can definitely use Yonder’s bat in their lineup. His numbers may not own at Petco, but compared to other options he’ll help them out. If Volquez rebounds (Petco will help), this is a great deal for them.
I could have sworn those next two dominos looked a whole lot like Volquez and Smith. Does anybody know if Prado bears any resemblance to Volquez?
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by Junction Rox on Dec 17, 2011 12:26 PM MST up reply actions
Oh the Pads destroyed that trade
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2011 4:25 PM MST up reply actions
okay, there goes that idea
I wonder what else they’re getting: Alonso, Volquez, ?
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Votto?
ducks
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Probably Pete Rose.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2011 11:31 AM MST up reply actions
WOW.
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by Roxman4ever on Dec 17, 2011 11:31 AM MST up reply actions
Yep.
Probably Joe Morgan, too.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2011 11:33 AM MST up reply actions
Look if Johnny Bench isn't involved.....forget it
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2011 11:36 AM MST up reply actions
Dammit
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/cross arms
I’m standing firm on this.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2011 11:37 AM MST up reply actions
Pedro Borbon
/crosses arms
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oh we're playing hardball
I demand some sort of Hairston back. Don’t pretend you don’t have like 4 other Hairston brothers hiding somewhere in the minors.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2011 11:41 AM MST up reply actions
That would be Hairsti
There is one floating around Lake Elsinore I’m pretty sure. Let me get back to you.
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Okay, so I can give two Hairsti
but I’m really gonna need Concepcion back….
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Hardball, eh
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2011 11:46 AM MST up reply actions
If you value the Hairsti you'll play
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OK you know what, drop it
I’ll go ahead and keep the Reds Hall of Fame and you can keep Latos and the Hairsti
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2011 11:50 AM MST up reply actions
LOL coward
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shut up!
It wasn’t a good move for our hall of fame!
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2011 11:56 AM MST up reply actions
Look, you have me over a barrel.
If I send Robinson, I’m going to need Kyle Blanks coming back.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2011 11:39 AM MST up reply actions
Are you trying to get Rosie with the Swingin' Friar?
Suddenly that takes on a whole new meaning.
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Would asking about Shamu cause you to hang up
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2011 11:42 AM MST up reply actions
Frankenfriar?
Who wants a hot dog in a hat?
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by Junction Rox on Dec 17, 2011 12:27 PM MST up reply actions
Wow, just wow.
Volquez has some really good bounceback value in SD.
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Whooooaaa....that's unexpected
Maybe the Pads are tired of Latos’ attitude
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well, were tired of Tracy also but we can't seem to trade him
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by Roxman4ever on Dec 17, 2011 11:23 AM MST up reply actions
We are not the Rockies FO.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2011 11:23 AM MST up reply actions
that might be a good thing though.
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by Roxman4ever on Dec 17, 2011 11:24 AM MST up reply actions
It is
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The Monforts would be broke and Jim Tracy wouldn't be our manager
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by Roxman4ever on Dec 17, 2011 11:26 AM MST up reply actions
I'm willing to live with that...
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by Junction Rox on Dec 17, 2011 12:28 PM MST up reply actions
But then we'd be able to get rid of Jim Tracy
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2011 11:27 AM MST up reply actions
He's an ass as is generally acknowledged even
amongst Padres fans. He’s not a particularly nice young man.
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I think he's gotten just that. :)
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2011 11:29 AM MST up reply actions
the Reds turned Volquez into a contributing adult after attitude problems in Texas
Dusty Baker could do that young man some good.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2011 11:28 AM MST up reply actions
For a young baseball player in general
Don’t worry, I didn’t miss the irony of that post.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2011 11:30 AM MST up reply actions
Hmmm. so the Padres are trying to give Latos a long term timeout...sneaky
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I'm definitely not excited to being going against Volquez so much now :(
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“Dusty Baker could do that young man some good”
Just not any pitching good after a couple of years
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He'll be a fine young man
with a blown up arm by 2014….
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by Junction Rox on Dec 17, 2011 12:29 PM MST up reply actions
Wth Padres???!????????
I can’t believe they traded him.
Must be his bad attitude.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 17, 2011 11:31 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
I know what you mean
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That is a whole bunch:
“@Reds
Reds acquire SD’s Mat Latos for Yonder Alonso, Brad Boxberger, Yasmani Grandal and Edinson Volquez."
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 17, 2011 11:33 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
you're joking me
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2011 11:34 AM MST up reply actions
that's an absurd overpay
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2011 11:34 AM MST up reply actions
Was thinking the exact same thing
by dsmba on Dec 17, 2011 11:44 AM MST via iPhone app up reply actions
Reds, you all kinds of stupid.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 17, 2011 11:35 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Was Latos that important to them?
What could we get for Chacin then?
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by Roxman4ever on Dec 17, 2011 11:34 AM MST up reply actions
Latos is a helluva a good young pitcher
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But not worth all that
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This
And Grandal is a good catching prospect but is surplus given Mesoraco in Cincy looking like he will lock that job down. Word is that Rizzo will be moved … he might be a good target.
+1 on Rizzo
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Impressive haul there
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Give Omar time to undo the good stuff he tries to do
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no justice in this universe
Coors Field hitters are all superinflated
Petco Pitchers get that kind of a haul.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2011 11:37 AM MST up reply actions
I hope we torch the hell out of Volquez in Petco
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by Roxman4ever on Dec 17, 2011 11:38 AM MST up reply actions
Apparently the Padres finally got the memo
ACQUIRE ALL THE ARMS
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That's about as much as we got for Ubaldo
maybe more
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LAaos was NOT Ubaldo
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by Roxman4ever on Dec 17, 2011 11:36 AM MST up reply actions
damn. Latos
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by Roxman4ever on Dec 17, 2011 11:37 AM MST up reply actions
well we should've traded with Cincy
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2011 11:38 AM MST up reply actions
Well, in fairness
We have no idea what our players are worth as a collective.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2011 11:39 AM MST up reply actions
Maybe we're now over-estimating the importance of Volquez?
And I did just call Alonso Lars Anderson above, but… yikes.
I’ll take Kyle Blanks JFF.
Yea, Kipnis
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by Roxman4ever on Dec 17, 2011 11:38 AM MST up reply actions
I would've put something else in the deal
To make it Pomeranz, White, and Kipnis
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2011 11:42 AM MST up reply actions
But it didnt hurt to ask
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by Roxman4ever on Dec 17, 2011 11:43 AM MST up reply actions
I'm sure they did ask
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2011 11:43 AM MST up reply actions
and who was the other guy that was mentioned?
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by Roxman4ever on Dec 17, 2011 11:44 AM MST up reply actions
They probably
got told no, we’re not moving him and the Rockies let it drop
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Lonnie Chisenhall I'm guessing.
Also a nice dream.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2011 11:46 AM MST up reply actions
Don't underestimate Latos.
The kid is filthy at times. He has much potential, that youngling
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No, he really really does
But so did Rich Harden
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2011 11:40 AM MST up reply actions
no, he's much whiter.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2011 11:37 AM MST up reply actions
Latos has arguably more trade value than Ubaldo at the time of their trades
At the very least, the gap between them is much, much smaller than you suggest. You get an extra year of team control for Latos, who is a younger pitcher. Besides, there seemed to be a leaguewide feel that Ubaldo was beginning his decline, which explains why DOD shopped him so aggressively after all but promising him a contract extension the offseason before.
It's from the Reds Twitter
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 17, 2011 11:43 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Check on RedsReporter...I'm sure they are thrilled.
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They are reallly happy
I would be PO’d giving up that package
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Really?
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I mean I'd be excited to get a player of Latos' caliber
But they gave up a lot to get him. It was quite the haul. i would come around to the deal eventually as Mesoraco can be their C. No place for Alonso, and they wanted to be rid of Volquez but they gave up a TON
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No I meant really to the Reds fans being happy
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They hate Volquez, Boxberger's a relief pitcher
and Grandal and Alonso were spare pieces for them, although incredibly valuable spare pieces. They probably feel they acquired an ace without hurting their future at all.
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Funny thing is there are more comments about latos here than on Gaslamp Ball
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They are probably still asleep
I mean it’s only 10:30 on a Saturday here
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Okay almost 11 but still
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Gaslamp fans and Pads fans in general...
Do not have the hardest core.
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There is nothing on GAslamp right now.
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by Roxman4ever on Dec 17, 2011 11:49 AM MST up reply actions
It looks like a crazy overpay
But that’s the way it is with acquiring upper-part-of-the-rotation pitching. If you are unwilling to overpay, you won’t get anyone. Starting pitcher innings are gold, they’re what keep you in the mix over 162 games. I actually think this could work out okay for the Reds, assuming they do what it takes to hang onto Votto.
by Northsider1964 on Dec 17, 2011 12:06 PM MST up reply actions
I don't want the Rockies to have anything to do with Jurrjens
He’s going to be the worst overpay. Injury prone mid rotation starter valued like an ace. Laughable.
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For only 2 years, compared to 4 with Latos
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And Oakland, if Gio is really on the trading block
I’ll scoff at teams for overpaying for starting pitching when it stops being part of the formula for reaching the postseason. Or, when the Rockies become Rays-like at drafting and developing starting pitching. Until then, I won’t be laughing.
by Northsider1964 on Dec 17, 2011 12:15 PM MST up reply actions
Alonso + grandal!?!?!?!!!!!???
What a damn joke, Cincinnati.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 17, 2011 11:40 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
The Reds got SCREWED.
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by Hollidayrain on Dec 17, 2011 12:27 PM MST up reply actions
Not too many people are going to jump on this one with me but..
Keppinger for 2nd Base!!
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Funny, you've never mentioned Keppinger before
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2011 11:33 AM MST up reply actions
:P
I want him on the team. It’s similar to how Petro wants Prado here
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 17, 2011 11:38 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Prados is better than Keppinger
I wouldn’t hate Keppinger, that’s for sure, just not at the pricetag a starting 2B would run, you know?
My concern is that he’d just end up another warm body in the pile of Herrera/Nelson/EYJ
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2011 11:40 AM MST up reply actions
It's a fair concern.
Keppinger would be cheap, though, and allow the team to focus on upgrades to SP and bullpen. I like some of Keppinger’s peripherals and believe his game fits perfectly at Coors. Watching him play last season at SF, I saw the fit. I doubt it happens, but I’d love it.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 17, 2011 11:43 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
He does nothing well except not strike out
He doesn’t walk, has no power, and can’t field well. No thanks.
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exactly
unless we get him for dirt cheap
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Better than what we have now
But just as a I said about Blake DeWitt and others – I don’t want him if it’s going to be O’Dowd’s rationalization for giving up on Prado.
by Northsider1964 on Dec 17, 2011 11:38 AM MST up reply actions
Not sure I like him as a starting option
But I’d be okay with him as a bench option/utility role as he can play 2b, SS, and 3B and that would allow us to limit the number of backup infielders we’d have to carry.
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Also Rockies aren’t dead yet in pursuit of martin prado. Braves like Seth smith but would take more.
Maybe they will someone that we aren’t thinking of.
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Is this from three weeks ago?
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by Roxman4ever on Dec 17, 2011 11:35 AM MST up reply actions
Sarcastic
But it could have been three weeks ago from the way it was written and what we knew then
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That and I've seen Troy retweet week old stuff before
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 17, 2011 11:39 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
give them
blackmon, and or one of the young pitchers (not a top ranker).
our lineup would then be decent, and we now have a raft of young pitchers with the earlier trades.
I think Smith + Wheeler + Cabrera should work. . .
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 17, 2011 2:43 PM MST up reply actions
like
Staring out the window, waiting for spring.
We'd just have to sell that Wheeler is a CF and will continue to be one into the future (I doubt that)
but yea. We have depth at pitching and outfield.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 17, 2011 2:47 PM MST up reply actions
I would like Prado
but I’m now thinking we need to send Seth to Cincinnati for Mesoraco, Hamilton, Cueto and a couple spare parts.
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by Junction Rox on Dec 17, 2011 12:37 PM MST up reply actions
Rollins signed with Philly
3 years with a vesting option per MLBTR
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2011 11:41 AM MST up reply actions
He kind of shot himself in the foot by insisting on 5 years
When it was obvious no one was going to give it to him
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It was ploy for him to go back to Philly, probably
heh
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by Hollidayrain on Dec 17, 2011 12:31 PM MST up reply actions
Red Reporter is happy that Volquez is gone
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Language is a bit much but here is what they are saying over there
http://www.redreporter.com/2011/12/17/2642861/reds-acquire-mat-latos#comments
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by Roxman4ever on Dec 17, 2011 11:50 AM MST up reply actions
They have much different standards on swearing over there
I can’t recall the last time I saw a full f-bomb on Purple Row
The day we signed Tulo and Cargo
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by Roxman4ever on Dec 17, 2011 11:56 AM MST up reply actions
I noticed that also
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by Roxman4ever on Dec 17, 2011 11:58 AM MST up reply actions
lets go get Rizzo!
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 17, 2011 1:09 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Im staying quiet on this one.
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You will
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 17, 2011 2:12 PM MST up reply actions
Oh I know.
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Her brother, Anthony in this case
Prolly doesn’t look as good in spaghetti straps but is a better 1B prospect.
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
A lot is two words. Allot can be one word but it has another meaning.
The only time you really want to use "myself" is when you are the recipient of your own action. Usually you're better off using "me."
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It's anyway, not anyways.
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Guess the Pads are trading Rizzo
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he shoulda been the throw in in the street deal
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2011 11:56 AM MST up reply actions
Been nice to acquite Latos also
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by Roxman4ever on Dec 17, 2011 11:58 AM MST up reply actions
From Morosi
Some wondering if Rizzo could be part of package to #Rays for Wade Davis. Makes perfect sense. Davis similar to Latos in service time.
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if that was to happen.
The Pads rotation would be pretty decent.
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by Roxman4ever on Dec 17, 2011 12:03 PM MST up reply actions
Luebke-Davis-Volquez-Stauffer-Richard
It has upside, but Volquez could blow up hard and Davis may never learn to strike out MLB hitters. Stauffer’s pretty average, Richard/Moseley are decent BOR starters, so it’d be solid but not doom and gloom for the Rockies. Luebke’s a monster though,.
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And Castro
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It's anyway, not anyways.
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rizzo for wade davis?
friedman would be laughing all the way to the bank on that
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and then we look like fools once again.
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by Roxman4ever on Dec 17, 2011 12:11 PM MST up reply actions
Beltran’s a hell of a lot better player than Jimmy Rollins right now.
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by Franchise26 on Dec 17, 2011 12:12 PM MST up reply actions
Rollins' glove has the edge
but Beltran’s like twice the bat that Rollins is.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2011 12:13 PM MST up reply actions
With an "easy vest" for that fourth year option, the total value of Rollins' contract is @ $44 million
If a team wanted to give Beltran enough years to match that (say 5 years/$9 million) then I think you’re right. Otherwise, I think there’s no way he gets under $10M/year.
Hole in the knee cartilage notwithstanding
I think someone goes 3 years/$35 million for Beltran. He’s too much of an impact bat not to find a suitor who will go that high.
by Northsider1964 on Dec 17, 2011 12:46 PM MST up reply actions
Latos is going from a very friendly pitchers park to a hitter friendly park.
Maybe it’ll bite them in the butt
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His career WHIP at GABP is .5 .
I don’t think he’s too worried.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 17, 2011 1:10 PM MST up reply actions
i agree with dave cameron (for once) on this
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/reds-finally-get-their-ace-in-mat-latos/
The cost was high – I like all four of the guys they gave up – but the reality was that the Reds had too many players for too few spots. They weren’t going to be able to receive value from both Yonder Alonso and Joey Votto or Devin Mesoraco and Yasmani Grandal, so packaging their excess depth with Volquez and Boxberger to get Latos made sense. If Latos does show that he can be a 220 inning ace going forward, they won’t regret this deal even if the players they shipped to San Diego turn out to be stars. The Reds needed to consolidate talent this winter, and they’ve managed to trade quantity for quality at the position they needed most.
Pitching doesn’t come cheap, but credit the Reds for landing a pitcher good enough to make a real difference. This move isn’t without its risks, but Latos has the upside to be worth betting on.
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the second bit is also from the article
not sure why the blockquote didn’t take
arenado: it's Rockie for future
I don't even know if I really see Latos as an ace
But I still agree with this assessment. Snicker at Walt Jocketty if you want, but he knew what his position of need was and he remained hell-bent on filling it. Can’t say that I’ve seen that mindset in Denver this winter.
by Northsider1964 on Dec 17, 2011 1:43 PM MST up reply actions
He's an ace ...
Check out his 2nd half numbers and that will give you an idea of what his upside is.
I found it hilarious
earlier this offseason when Cameron was pretending that if the Reds wanted to put Alonso at 1B going forward, Votto could be had for “Pineda+”, the + being a bag of baseballs and some Big League Chew. Almost as funny as the time in 2009 when he insisted that Jose Lopez and Claudio Vargas for John Danks was something the White Sox would do.
Wait, what's his real name? We should make a joke out of that.
by BrandonHawpe on Dec 17, 2011 4:14 PM MST up reply actions
Not that I'm love with the deal from Cincinnati's side
but I do think thta Volquez is really being overrated here. A few facts about Volquez…..
1) He’ll be a 29 year old pitcher next July ( He’s at the point of his career where he should have things figured out)
2) He has a career 4.84 BB/9 rate and it’s been over 5.0 each of the last three seasons.
3) He’s had only one season where he’s reached an fWAR of 1.0 and only one season where he’s exceeded a bWAR of 0.5
4) As awesome as his 2008 campaign was, if you just take the rest of his career, he has an fWAR of 1.1 and a bWAR of -1.6
5) Volquez has only once thrown more than 108.2 innings in a season and only twice thrown 62.2 innings in a season.
6) He gets considerably worse in the second half of the season once there’s some innings on his arm. From the 1st half to the second half his ERA balloons from 3.92 to 5.41, his OPS against jumps from .706 to .821, his K rate takes a dip from 9.2 to 8.1, and his WHIP soars from 1.39 to 1.61. Also, that one big game playoff start he had – 1.2 innings and 4 ER’s before getting knocked out of the game.
Sure he had that outstanding 2008 season, but other than that volquez has been nothing short of dreadful on the mound. If he was the piece we were getting for Seth Smith I am thrilled we didn’t because he won’t eat innings, and by the looks of it, he won’t be very productive.
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I can't agree more
Rec’d.
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New video from Yoenis Cespedes
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=15694
500 foot bombs, dingers hitting lefty (he’s right handed), and swimming. I love the weirdness of these vids, but this guy seems (based on limited and edited video evidence, of course) to be a scary power hitter. I’m trying to place his stroke — maybe some Ken Griffey, Jr in there? He’s going to get paid, for sure.
I’m predicting Cardinals, Yankees or BoSox.
I dont not want this to happen.
I dont want to face Garza.
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I really want the Rockies to take a leaf out of the Braves negotiating books
Saying that unless we find a upgrade of this team through a Smith deal, that we go into this season with Cuddyer at 3rd, Smith in left platooning with a lefty masher, DJ at second, and a Millwood signing. There’s no reason why we should trade Smith unless it improves the team, just like the Braves don’t trade Prado unless they improve their team. We need to put the message across that we don’t need to trade him, which DOD hasn’t been doing.
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I hate to keep banging the drum on this
but Michael Cuddyer is not a full time third baseman. His defense is tolerable at first or the OF. He is not the part-time player that Keith Law thinks, but he is basically the lefty masher that will be full-time by way of being paired with Smith and Helton.
But, unless you have some strong reason otherwise, he is not a third baseman. I am going off of UZR/TZ/personal observation at Target Field.
I kind of figured that he isn't going to be
but I really don’t want to see Seth Smith being traded off to the Mariners for Figgins and a couple of prospects because of DOD’s vendetta against him. We need to create leverage here.
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Seriously, I'd rather watch Cuddyer give back 20 runs at third than see Smith go like Street did
That’s just not right.
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I feel the same way but
its a business and a game and things have to happen.
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That's cutting off your face to spite your nose
I don’t want to see your scenario either, but it seems like there are only three possible outcomes for Smith: 1) he stays and becomes a 1/3-1/2 time player, 2) he gets dumped, 3) he’s a secondary piece to a Prado/IF deal.
If it’s not 3, hopefully it’s 1.
If he stays,
it’s not going to be good for anyone. Not just because of the clubhouse rift, but because it means that others in baseball are seeing whatever the Rockies are seeing in him that leads them to want to dump him.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 17, 2011 2:37 PM MST up reply actions
You mean
What he started his career doing so well that it fell off the table in 2009-2010 and he started it up again this year only to watch it disappear again from his repertoire? Hit the ball the other way, he got away from that and his value/production dropped a lot.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 17, 2011 2:43 PM MST up reply actions
I think she's right
and this is part of the reason
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His results are fine for a platoon or 4th OF
and his handicap is obvious: has not hit against LHP. It’s not that he’s not valuable, it’s that a team would have to have a specific need for him, which limits his market.
As for the clubhouse rift… was he known to be a part of such a rift? Does that rift exist?
I mean more the rift between him and the FO. They’ve been down on him in public for quite some time.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 17, 2011 2:45 PM MST up reply actions
I always miss that stuff
but that’s a good example of the FO not keeping issue in-house, which depresses the value of their players.
still, if he played average defense, which he is capable of doing, he’s a 3 win player. That’s valuable.
Also pretty sure Tulo was referring to him in one of his comments during the season
about guys only worrying about their own situation or some such.
So I don’t think it was really a clubhouse rift, but I do think the FO were probably not the only ones somewhat disappointed in him.
This too,
but I’m not 100% sure of that. The FO was calling Smith out 100%.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 17, 2011 2:50 PM MST up reply actions
This is a serious point
The “leaders” and the FO have a pattern of unnecessarily depreciating the value of players who could be trade chips.
Explain pattern.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 17, 2011 2:54 PM MST up reply actions
CDI, Smith, Street
Without going back and looking for examples, I’m going to use the consensus on here:
CDI: It seemed clear on here that the team didn’t think of him as the long-term answer at catcher. Tracy never used him like that, and I’m pretty sure there were negative comments about him from the FO. Still, he had tons of value as an adequate defensive and well above average offensive catcher. The return wasn’t awful, but if the FO and Tracy hadn’t spend two years running him down, it might have been more.
Smith is a talented 4th OF/platoon player for the aforementioned reasons. He is capable of playing average to above average defense in the OF, but has had bad stretches in the field. The team drags its feet on Hawpe in 2010, and then runs down Smith in his first full season. Like CDI, it’s fairly clear the team didn’t think of him as a long-term player. He gets run down publicly, his flaws are exaggerated, and his trade value depreciates.
Street is an above average closer, but clearly wasn’t in the long-term plans either. This seemed somewhat obvious going into the season, and pretty obvious by August. So, the team strips him as closer and says RB is the closer for 2012. Rather than giving him a chance to rebuild value by closing some games in T, he becomes just a set up guy, pushing down his trade value. Even though other teams would want him as a closer, they get to barter with the Rockies as if he was a setup man/reliever.
Seems like a pattern to me.
by deacs on Dec 17, 2011 3:04 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think there were many negative comments about them.
Their role changes were performance-related. Smith is a bit different.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 17, 2011 3:06 PM MST up reply actions
Actions, 1000 words.
And there were some negative comments about CDI not being a complete player (true or not, it’s not worth saying in public), and if we can speculate about the attitude toward Smith other teams can too.
This is why I think Smith is almost certainly gone.
While there were grumblings about Iannetta and Street, the problems with Smith seems to have been aired much more publicly.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 17, 2011 5:09 PM MST up reply actions
That's unfortunate for the team
that the FO and the field management can’t a) properly evaluate assets, and b) help themselves when it comes to devaluing a trade piece.
Maybe they can.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 17, 2011 11:45 PM MST up reply actions
'm not the "team" wasn't the problem. But Tracy and some
of the"team" aka certaln players
In all things, it is better to hope than despair.
not sure what happened wlth that enllghtenlng comment...
In all things, it is better to hope than despair.
If it means what I think it means, I agree that's a big part of the problem
It’s unfortunate that the FO doesn’t realize the value of some players, or doesn’t intervene when Tracy artificially or unnecessarily depresses their value.
This also endlessly frustrates me
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2011 4:31 PM MST up reply actions
I don't know if we really know whose fault it is.
We assume that it is Tracy, because DOD has a better history and Tracy’s history contains odd relationships with players. I don’t know if anyone outside of the organization really knows though.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 17, 2011 5:10 PM MST up reply actions
It doesn't really matter at this point
D’OD has been around forever – he should feel comfortable trumping the field manager when necessary. And not unnecessarily devaluing assets is a good reason for intervening.
Maybe he has. We don’t really know what happens. We just assume.
And I’m not really sure that any assets have necessarily been devalued. The minute that a player who is set to cost very little is shopped around it doesn’t really matter what is said about him to the press. These men and women whose careers are to construct baseball teams and know baseball players are a lot more knowledgable than we are. If we can suss it out, so can they.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 17, 2011 11:49 PM MST up reply actions
A lot of people get traded who didn't expect to get traded
telegraphing your every more, Ubaldo included, is another short-coming of the FO.
you said drum?
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Neither was Garrett Atkins
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2011 4:28 PM MST up reply actions
You think Cuddyer is a good bet to replicate Atkins' '06 or '07 bat?
Atkins was below average both years (significantly in ‘07) but compensated for it with the bat. I’m not so sure about Cuddyer, but I hope he can be the RH bat that Atkins was.
His response
was about Atkins defense at 3rd
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Right, and my response was about Atkins' bat compensating for his defense at third
And, when scale is taken into account, whether Cuddyer’s bat could do the same.
I think Cuddyer will be good for the lineup in 2012, if his defense is at RF and 1B, but whether his bat can compensate for abhorrent defense at third is another question.
I'm a Cuddy rube from Minnesota
Cuddyer is my all-time favorite Twin. He does have exaggerated L/R splits. He would figure to be league-average vs. righthanders and really mash lefties. I think his power numbers will shoot up at Coors vs. NL pitching. You’ve all discussed that I’m sure.
I want to discuss Cuddyer’s “D”. I think he is a stopgap at second base and should only be there in emergencies. Right field is his primary position and he is not a dreadful fielder. His UZR has been low (but not last year), but I think the stat is flawed by high walls and irregular dimensions. Another part of the flaw in the system is that every ball uncaught is not the same. The Twins have historically played their outfield deepest in the league, especially when they were ahead in the late innings. Many balls might have fallen in front of Cuddyer (and other Twins outfielders) because they play so deep, but few balls got between the OF and very few balls got over Cuddy’s head, especially in the late innings. Further, Cuddyer has a strong, accurate arm. He will save bases in right field.
Cuddyer played most of 2010 with a torn knee ligament. He started the season as a RF, but played the last half at first. He graded out poorly and looked no better to the naked eye. I would put the reason as his injury. Cuddyer played much better at first last year. I would classify him as adequate to average overall and first base wastes the asset of his superior throwning arm.
Cuddyer started a handful of games at third in 2010, all on the road during interleague play. The poster above has never seen Cuddy play third at Target Field because he never has. Cuddyer played a below-average third when he played there regularly, but his manger thought it hurt his offense and that is why he was moved to the outfield. Now as a veteran, I doubt playing third would hurt his offense, but it would be a stretch to believe he could hold the position down on a regular basis, although I wouldn’t rule it out completely.
by Alexi Casilla All-Star on Dec 20, 2011 8:21 PM MST up reply actions
You're from Minny so you know better than me
But from what I remember (and this was 6 years ago and the Twins aren’t a team I follow regularly) was that his hearing issue (deaf in left ear) was a big reason why he hadn’t played 3B (other than 2010 what you mentioned) since 2005. Also why he had never really played CF/LF.
The couple years he played 3B I had read he worked out a way of communicating with the SS to get non-verbal heads-up when certain pitch types (offspeed, etc) were going to be thrown by their pitcher. But in general he had a hard time hearing the infielders.
Him overcoming his hearing issue is a big reason why I think he has the personality he does, of realizing how fortunate he is to be playing at this level despite it.
by The Name is Dalton on Dec 21, 2011 8:55 AM MST up reply actions
Now that the Reds have dealt for Latos, they have an excess at SP
With Aroldis Chapman expected to join the rotation, by my count it looks like Cueto/Latos/Chapman and then Bronson Arroyo/Leake/Bailey/Wood battling it out for the last two spots.
Any chance we could swing a deal for one of their high-upside young arms that might not have a place in the rotation? We’ve been talking about Niese; I think one of Leake/Bailey/Wood would be a cheaper alternative with higher upside. Besides, now that Alonso’s gone, they could use a Seth Smith…I think Chris Heisey would be all they’d have at the third OF spot if the season started today.
That Niese talk including Smith in a deal...
is all BS by the Laramie JuCo Grad Ringolsby. If anything, David Bailey would be an easy target, since he’s been up for a couple of years, and has struggled. And don’t forget about Dave Sappelt. He’s probably their #4 OF.
Homer, not David, but yes, he'd be my top target of the three
He’s improved his control issues significantly since entering the majors…I think he has his breakout season next year.
Leake
was starting to impress, and Niese would’ve been interesting. I think the FO should stick by it’s original idea though—we need a 200 IP veteran, we have plenty of under 26 arms, and if we can’t get that veteran, fill the 2b/3b gap.
Staring out the window, waiting for spring.
by Zatch on Dec 17, 2011 2:46 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Eh...I'm not really sure that acquiring a vet (in the mold of Guthrie or something)
for one season is the best plan. Even if we acquire Prado, we’re far from a lock to make the postseason. Pomz and White are sure to have some growing pains, and we have no idea how JDLR and Nicasio are going to perform post-injury. IMO, it’d better to DEVELOP ALL THE YOUNG ARMZ/BATZ, hope for the best in 2012, and prepare for a playoff run in 2013.
With a guy like Leake or Bailey, you more or less know what you’re getting for a reasonable price, and you’ll have him for 2013 and on, when the postseason is a lot more likely.
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That'll be so messy
Dorito flavoring all over your hands when you try to eat it.
Also, a dorito taco?
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 17, 2011 7:31 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Maybe you.
I just haven’t lost the baby weight.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 17, 2011 7:41 PM MST up reply actions
Just cover the pudginess in a good t-shirt and..
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by Roxman4ever on Dec 17, 2011 10:14 PM MST up reply actions
Do you work for Del Taco?
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 17, 2011 9:12 PM MST up reply actions
OT again: Something you don't get to see everyday.
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darvish is rumored to have shattered dice-BB's posting fee
it’s been impressively leak-free so far, though
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This posting fee thing is total BS
If the guy wants to freaking play in the US. Let him.
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by Roxman4ever on Dec 17, 2011 10:52 PM MST up reply actions
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