Sunday Rockpile: Maturity wanted. And right handed bench bats. And maybe an ace April-June pitcher. Okay-okay, also a second baseman.
The Rockies have reached out to Brad Lidge. - The Colorado native and off season resident has some interest in returning home to pitch. Lidge would serve as a set-up man and insurance for Rafael Betancourt.
Camp Tulo - Troy Tulowitzki wishes to be MVP, and he's pushing Nolan Arenado hard to follow in his tracks. Once again Arenado's mentioned as a possibility for the Rockies Opening Day third baseman. Arenado's also the most likely player to break the "Second base must bat second" model that Jim Tracy espouses. A hypothetical lineup using parts already on hand:
- CF - Dexter Fowler
- 3B - Nolan Arenado
- LF - Carlos Gonzalez
- SS - Troy Tulowitzki
- RF - Michael Cuddyer
- 1B - Todd Helton
- C - Ramon Hernandez
- 2B - DJ LeMahieu
- P -
Looks pretty good if the two youngest players Arenado and LeMahieu, rise to their potential. Obviously the Rockies and their fans would prefer a more experienced and predictable option at one of those two infield slots, especially if it's Martin Prado, but this lineup does have a lot of promise.
Similarly, come July, the rotation could also be daunting if the Rockies young pitching matures ahead of schedule and pitches to their talent.
Pitcher
- Drew Pomeranz
- Jhoulys Chacin
- Jorge De La Rosa
- Juan Nicasio
- Alex White
There's a high ceiling for that list, just not a lot of maturity or experience, and given the lineup, this team should be divisional competitive at its peak. My point with this would be that one of the Rockies biggest needs to be competitive in 2012 isn't something any front office could bring, they need the talent already on hand to grow up to their capabilities. This is a bit of irony given General Manager Dan O'Dowd's statements about wanting a team of men and not little boys, seeing as he's the one who's stocked the club with so many early 20-somethings. That said, both the Indians and Diamondbacks of 2011 are examples of young teams maturing into better than projected results despite not making major overhauls in the winter before. The Rays use the approach as a key part of their model.
O'Dowd's somewhat successfully followed that path with the Rockies pitching for next season, getting a bundle of young talented arms keeps the team from having to rely on any one individual breakout. Despite my title to today's post, that's not the only place we see a gathering pool of talent that could be starter capable. The infield mix lacks the same upside of the pitching group outside of Arenado, but you can start to see a similar pattern emerging. Arenado, LeMahieu and Josh Rutledge, along with Brandon Wood will be added to a possible in 2012 pool that already included carryovers Jordan Pacheco, Thomas Field, Chris Nelson, Eric Young, Brad Emaus and Jonathan Herrera.
In the outfield, the Rockies have a similar glut of ready now and near MLB players that includes Tyler Colvin, Jamie Hoffman, Charlie Blackmon, Tim Wheeler and Kent Matthes. Cynics will see this as O'Dowd building a AAAA team rather than an MLB ready one, but there is no team in the division, and only a couple in the major leagues that can boast this kind of depth. For that, I do think the front office deserves some credit. The Padres come half way there, they have the depth of position players, but not the pitching. The Diamondbacks are sort of in the opposite camp, having pitching depth (this got weakened with the Cahill trade) but not position player depth.
Depth doesn't show up in off-season projections, which can't really account for the increased likelihood of breakouts that accompanies it, but I'm a firm believer that it can show up in the W/L results at the end of a season. Albeit, here's my hedge of the day: the Rockies were a relatively deep team last year too (I don't think they were as deep as they are now, though) and if the front line of starting talent is as disastrous again in 2012 as it was in 2011, it won't matter how deep the Rockies are.
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Oops, forgot the other Renck post I was going to link
which was a bit related to the last section of this post, his Christmas wish list for the Rockies. He reiterates the Smith for Niese rumor (adding Hammel and another piece) which was vehemently denied to NY media yesterday. I’m seeing too much smoke here for it to be completely made up. As we know from the Ubaldo Jimenez trade rumors last year, playing the NY media is a tricky skill which the Yankees do pretty well, but my experience has been that the Mets as is probably to be expected, aren’t nearly as crafty with it.
Not that I am a massive fan of Niese
as you know, but if he could be had for Smith and Hammel, it would be a steal.
I'm guessing the actual trade value is between this and where Mets fans and certain media are indicating it is.
He’s not going to get a Cahill type of deal, for instance, but it seems rumors are indications that the Mets FO actually understands this and is looking for this type of deal with a solid (but maybe not Arenado/Rosario solid) prospect added.
I think the Mets would be a lot more interested in a Tim Wheeler/Charlie Blackmon than the older and more expensive Seth Smith. They’ve told the A’s they aren’t interested in including Niese in any deal for Gio Gonzalez so seem to have their eye on acquiring multiple young pieces in a Niese type deal. I doubt Smith fits that.
Ithink the mets want Rosario,
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if that's all they wanted, it would be a trade I'd consider.
Rosario has a lot of upside, but also a lot of a risk that he hits his floor instead. Too much of the latter risk, in my opinion, for a player at that level without showing any forward progress in 2011. I do think he’s shown some of the progress I was looking for in the DWL at least, but I’d still strongly consider trading him for a safer bet like Niese.
OH they'll want more.
Their need at catcher is really the biggest thorn in their side among position players. I’ve read rumblings about a pitcher’s mutiny against Thole.
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It was in one of the Jersey papers and I've already deleted the that file from last year.
It’s part of why Capuano and the Japanese relief pitcher (whose name I’m gagging on) fled.
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hisanori takahashi
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I would too
even more if we didn’t trade CDI already.
I've been thinking this about Rosario for A while
Which is why I found it strange you had him as #1 on your purps list last month.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 18, 2011 1:36 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
agreed.
mets fans i’ve talked to have no interest in Smith. They’d much rather have a younger outfielder who can play once Bay is off their books (as bad as Bay is, their FO can’t justify not playing him).
by purplerowtroller on Dec 19, 2011 2:02 PM MST up reply actions
JFK's Quote of the Day:
“What I’ve learned from Cal is to respect the game, respect the fans. Nothing fancy out there. Just do your job.” ~Alex Rodriguez
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"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK
All these Rodriguez quotes make it pretty easy to tell why he'd be drawn to poker.
He really is full of it, and himself.
haters gotta hate
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“[Giambi] has been at the superstar level. He knows how to slow the game down when all eyes are on him. That’s something I have to improve,” Tulowitzki said. “The pressure is only to grow as expectations increase for our team and as I make more money. I look back at my rookie year when the sellout crowd was doing the ‘Tulo’ chant. I could hear it. I still do. But I need to turn that around so I am not focused on pleasing the fans, but knowing that they are on my side and that all the pressure is on the pitcher. ‘G’ is really helping me with the mental side of the game.”
Seems that Tulo understands that an integral part of any improvement for this team rests on him not squeezing the bat into sawdust and trying to hit an eight-run homer every time he comes to the plate in a big spot late in games. A huge part of the 2011 team’s failure to jump-start late rallies was the fact that they couldn’t count on their best player to come through.
I don’t know how good we’re going to be in 2012, but I’d love to at least lose that 2011 feeling that I might as well turn the game off when we’re down two runs in the seventh inning because there’s no way in hell we’re getting back on level terms, much less winning. I’m glad the team has a leader that understands that the buck stops with him in that regard. If he improves in those spots, I feel like the rest of the squad can follow his lead.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
seems like Tulo knows he IS unclutch
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 18, 2011 10:17 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
or the realization that nobody is as clutch as he wants to be.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
perhaps
but tulo is REALLY unclutch
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RIRF thinks I'm really anti Tulo, and now I get slapped for saying something positive about him
I can’t win.
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"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
hehe
I can’t win.
seems like the meme of PR this offseason
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At least Tulo is starting to grow up and realise the world doesn't rotate around him.
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Did Tulo think that before?
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i think that quote demonstrates some issues with putting too much pressure on himself
which i think we can all validate from what we’ve seen in games
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IMO, there is a big difference between saying he's putting too much pressure on himself
and thinking the world rotates around him.
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It's cool that Tulo is all copetitive all the time...
Maybe he didn’t think the world revolved around him; but I do think he’s allowed himself to be victimised by the hype around him. It’s not that he lacks ability; as his own expectation are insurmountable and he’s showing signs of realising that. Part of Maturing. Good for him.
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Tulo has earned most of his "hype" if that's the term you want to use.
IMO, he does walk the talk for the most part in his defensive play, dingers, earning GG,SS(mumble ROY mumble), but his clutch goes out at times and there are arguments as to whether clutch exists. But victimized by hype. Meh, I don’t really see it.
I think his problem is that he wants to win so badly that at times he gets in his own way.
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Which makes me think he could use
a sports psychologist to help him through that nasty habit of pressing too much.
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And he's using "G" as the sports psychologist
It could work
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We shall see :)
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As long as he's not using "G" as his sports pharmacist.
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Convince that your approach needs to be the same
in the 9th as it is in the first, and everything will be fine.
indeed
his talent and worth ethic + a little more mental maturity could do wonders. and that’s something i’m glad we still have giambi around for. of course, i must be the only person who thinks keeping him around is a good idea
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I'm ready for Giambi as Bench coach...
Not a roster spot.
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I've been very much in favor of Giambi each of the last two seasons.
For these reasons and the fact that he’s so old that he’s really easy to put on the DL as he’s probably got a chronic pain someplace. This is almost like having another player with minor league options from a roster management standpoint.
I still don't think his role fits an NL team.
I also think his presence has retarded our having a legit Todd successor.
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I actually don't think 1B usually works that way in the MLB.
A legitimate successor to Todd would be so obvious that he’d push Todd to the bench, not wait around for Helton to retire. I don’t know of any players like that which have transferred from one team to another recently, and that includes Alonso, who I think would be more of a stop-gap, temporary solution for most teams. The Rockies are going to have to develop their Helton replacement from within. Matthes is probably the best bet for that from our current players on the farm (BA projected him to be our 1B a few years from now.)
Though I could see why people give it to Matthes.
He’s bigger andjust came off a monster season.
@DylanZable
by CentralCaliRox on Dec 18, 2011 12:02 PM MST up reply actions
It's really nice to not be talking about Arenado as Todd's future 1B replacement..
it’s a testament to how hard he’s worked at his defense.
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Agreed...
Then again you and I tend to agree more often than not.
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Except I'm not as skeptical of WAR as you are ;)
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That's ok; you don't throw it around as much
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Yeah but with Todd's medical limitation; will that be in time or two years too late?
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Matthes could see MLB time this season.
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Has he had enough time at 1b?
I’ve mostly read about him as a OF
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
scott hatteberg learned 1B in like 20 minutes
can’t be that hard
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Did he really?
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that is what the film implies, yes
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The film is holltwood and even Beane has said they were a little off on that.
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methinks you've missed that i was joking back there
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Oh I felt the sarchasm I felt you missed mine.
Getting used to a new lap top. Not used to the different key pad and the touch mouse.
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I really wish Matthes had awesome walk rates instead of crappy ones – he’d be a much better bet to have value translate to the MLB level…
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the FO hates walks now
it’ll probably be to his benefit that he doesn’t walk
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Yeah!
Walks were soo last year’s Prada.
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unfortunately
i fear that’s exactly where this new contact-based team philosophy will lead
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I think to call it contact-based isn’t quite right – maybe ‘aggressive’. I got tired of watching Iannetta and Stewart take pitches. Yeah, they drew some walks. They also started a lot of counts 0-2 without lifting the bat. No team in their right mind is going to NOT want hitters who aren’t selective – but they’re definitely wanting to get away from guys who were selective to a fault.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
fair point
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Except Stewart was not that selective.
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Neither was CDI
Stewart definitely chased his share. A lot of people don’t realize, Iannetta swung at more pitches in the zone than the average player. His bigger issue was swinging and missing in the zone more than normal.
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I hope this is in jest
I don’t want to go all season hearing Cuddyer is a mediocre player. He’s not.
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yeah, it is
i don’t think i’ll be butthurt about this too much longer, don’t worry
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He needs a nickname.
the Cudd-yer pronunciation is engraved in my mind now. I’d even settle for Cuddy, just not Cuddyer..
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 18, 2011 12:10 PM MST up reply actions
It's Mitch.
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let's have two nicknames for him
just like garry/unicorn, one good and one bad
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I like Mitch because
someone said they thought his name was Mitch Cuddyer which amuses me greatly :) Sort of like Brandon Hawpe
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So when he's on my excrement list I can call him Mitchell like you called Seth Gary?
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and I call Dex: William
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But Seth's first name is actually Garry.
you can call him Vera if you want :)
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Dimples
was a name he had early in his career, if I remember right.
Well that's nice
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Mediocre in terms of offense generally expected for the position, maybe
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by Jeff Aberle on Dec 18, 2011 12:21 PM MST up reply actions
This would seem to be a massive reach
even if the Rockies had ever actually done it once.
When have they ever ‘flexed’ Giambi off the roster when there was a need in another area? Instead, his roster spot is that one that we lock up 15 minutes after the season ends, and then work around all of the limitations it brings.
by Northsider1964 on Dec 18, 2011 12:23 PM MST up reply actions
"...all of the limitations it brings" is at least as much a reach.
There really isn’t the kind of restriction people imply. The Rockies rightfully deemed Cole Garner and Ryan Spilborghs bigger hindrances to roster flexibility.
So you don't think the fact that Giambi
cannot play two days in a row has anything do with Cuddyer being on the Rockies’ roster, instead of Willingham at 1/3 less cost? You don’t think it contributed to the decision to sign Ty Wigginton?
O’Dowd locking himself into another year of Giambi before he even knows what the rest of the roster is going to look like is a move that would have this forum wetting its pants with laughter if it were made by any other NL GM.
by Northsider1964 on Dec 18, 2011 12:40 PM MST up reply actions
hold the phone....
are you seriously trying to claim that ty wigginton is at all a responsible use of roster space?
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If Wiggy could hit with RISP...maybe?
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don't you dare defend him, missy
i will link the picture!
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I'm sorry! I'm sorry!
I don’t know what I was thinking! It was the alcohol talking….or something.
Please please don’t do it. I’m sorry!!!!
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No
I’m saying one of the reasons Wiggy was brought onto the 2011 roster was because we lacked a backup 1B who can actually play more than three times a month. And I think the same is true of Cuddyer. I don’t hate getting Cuddyer, mind you, but compared to Willingham at a lower cost? I’ll take the latter, just like the Twins did.
by Northsider1964 on Dec 18, 2011 12:49 PM MST up reply actions
Looking around a quick Google search, I'm not seeing that.
Just one example, this neutral forum seems to have a 5-1 split in favor of the move.
As that forum points out too, it was a mutual option situation, so the Rockies had no option of waiting this year as they did last season (you seem to have selective memory of this, he signed after the middle of January last year on a very roster flexible minor league contract that had to become an MLB contract by a certain point.) It had nothing to do with restricting the Rockies in regard to Wigginton.
Yes and imagine the Black Friday-like rush
to Giambi’s door if O’Dowd had declined his option! My god there’s no way we’d have ever fended off the other suitors.
by Northsider1964 on Dec 18, 2011 12:55 PM MST up reply actions
wait, is it december 2011 or december 2010?
this all sounds really familiar
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Yeah, but why bother declining an option if you want to keep a player at that rate?
Giambi provided his value in 2011, he’s at least a decent bet to repeat that in 2012. Off the field, he’s already paying dividends by helping Tulo and with the kids as well as convincing Ramon Hernandez to sign. I don’t see how you can possibly see Giambi as not earning what’s really a pittance for an MLB salary.
The money is not the issue at all
If O’Dowd wants to pay Giambi $1 million to hang out with Tulo and some of the young players, have at it. But when 14 AL GMs can’t even shoehorn him onto their 25-man roster and every other NL GM comes to the same conclusion, my view on this doesn’t seem too wildly out of the mainstream.
Heck if money were the only issue and not roster space, I’d be all for giving Spilly the $1.6 mil or so he would have gotten in arbitration, just to float around the bleachers with Alanna and Tom Helmer.
by Northsider1964 on Dec 18, 2011 1:12 PM MST up reply actions
I think you exaggerate Giambi's lack of market
he had other suitors last off-season, he would have had them this winter too for similar roles to what he plays with the Rockies. The Phillies have coveted him the last couple of seasons and decided to sign Thome to fill this very role (granted probably better than Giambi could at this point.)
even better
I can’t win
seems like the meme of
PRthe Rockies thisoffseasonseason
Thank goodness that season is over
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Oh...
The stench of 2011 has proved to not be over yet…we have a couple weeks.
I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.
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I fear that stench will linger until ST
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Hi PIP!
Getting your greek recruitment?
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Hi...wut?
I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.
by prettyinpurple on Dec 18, 2011 2:15 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Any soroities knoking on your door?
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Oh...that.
That was 2nd week. I slammed it shut. And the food was lame.
Naw, I wanna be an RA next year.
I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.
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Not that I think you are the Frat boy liking type mind you
I thought you’d want in on the networking and associations.
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From experience
I don’t think they help that much at Mines. Everyone fraternizes with everyone (small school).
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PiP is at Mines?
Right down the street. I’m now teaching at GHS, of which Mark Melancon is an alumnus.
Really?
We should catch a game at Woody’s some time (I live in Golden as well and graduated from Mines)
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Basically 13th and Washington
Check it out, best pizza in town by far
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Aw, cool.
I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.
by prettyinpurple on Dec 18, 2011 2:37 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah- I like nerds.
In all seriosuness, I concur with jrockies- I almost know everyone. Plenty of opportunities.
I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.
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You like nerds?
Why do you hang around here so much?
Oh…
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 18, 2011 2:41 PM MST up reply actions
Heh
I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.
by prettyinpurple on Dec 18, 2011 2:45 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I did get that fundraising letter btw
I found it humorous that baseball was marked over and softball handwritten in
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Oh good!
I stuffed it with love.
But yeah, haha….that was pretty funny. I think Softball and Baseball were one of the last teams to get them out and they didn’t want to redo them.
I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.
by prettyinpurple on Dec 18, 2011 10:25 PM MST up reply actions
Have you met Jeff's sister yet?
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The 3rd base batting 2nd...acy
and 2nd base batting 8th plan is doomed for failure! Those are slots reserved for 2nd base and catcher respectively. ;-)
Seriously, I hope that Tr
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derp...new tabler
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by Roxman on Dec 18, 2011 9:54 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
/tablet
I hope that Tracy uses his head for something other than a place to park his hat and gives something like this a chance to work!
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by Roxman on Dec 18, 2011 9:57 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
So you are saying DOD see Niese as our Galvine to go with Pom and White as our Maddux and Smoltz?
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I think either White or Nicasio will be our Smoltz
and the other will be our Steve Avery. Which I guess might make Chacin our Kevin Millwood, or something.
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by Jeff Aberle on Dec 18, 2011 11:09 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
this is hilarious.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 18, 2011 3:31 PM MST up reply actions
Seriously I think the moves for Slowey and Niese are proof that DOD wants JDLR to take his time rehabing and do it right
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We shouldn't expect anything positive from DLR this year anyway.
He may pitch, and he may be healthy, but expecting him to return to what he was last year is foolish. We may only get 5 ERA stuff from him.
I was expecting an "Anoint The Padres" article this morning.
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It's really hard to say where they are. Like I said, a lot of position player depth, but nobody really transformative like a Tulo or Cargo
Their pitching is somewhat suspect and about as inexperienced as the Rockies, and much like the Rockies, lacks a true staff leader without Latos. Adding Alonso doesn’t really provide that much of an upgrade over Rizzo, and while Grandal’s a better catcher prospect than they’ve had, he’s no Buster Posey. I think they’re building a pretty mediocre team overall.
I'm actually pretty curious as to what the Blue Jays offered,
as the trade to the Reds brought a lot of decent parts back to SD, but not much help. Alonso and Boxberger in particular seem somewhat redundant to what the Padres already had, Volquez is an iffy bet (albeit one I like, and would have for the Rockies) and might wind up in the bullpen, while Grandal’s the one real prize.
What I see as the projected rotation:
Stauffer
Richard
Cook (it’s his rumored landing spot)
Volquez
and somebody else cheap
Is actually pretty ugly after those first two. They’re going to need a lot of PETCO magic to make up for that.
They are really stacked up with 1b/3b prospects.
It’s why I thought they’d give on Headley. Would they be willing to give up Darnell i.e. for Arenando insurance?
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SD's 3b prospects ...
Are only prospects in the basest sense of the word.
by Traindogger on Dec 18, 2011 12:32 PM MST up reply actions
From what I've read Grycko(?) Is as close as Arenado.
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Gyorko, and he's possibly their best position prospect (well I'd say 2nd now to Grandal)
Baseball America likes a few more than him, including Rizzo, but other than Rizzo they were mostly a couple of seasons away and more risky.
Withdrawn ...
Totally forgot about Gyorko … and they have Spangenberg on the way too … I think I was thinking about the Snakes’ guys.
by Traindogger on Dec 18, 2011 12:43 PM MST up reply actions
Also don't forget Moesley
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Little experienced depth after those 5
And that relies on acquiring Cook, which would, presumably, take away financial resources from improvements to other areas.
While they have a lot of could-be-good 1B (Blanks, Alonso, Rizzo, even Guzman), none of them are sure bets and all would be liabilities in LF. The only good position players are Maybin and Headley. Otherwise… meh. But they have been aggressive, so I doubt the roster will look like this on opening day.
Their biggest weakness matches ours. Middle infielders.
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do they not have cameron maybin anymore?
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didn't he get traded to florida?
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ah
i knew it was one of the “L” name lefties, just couldn’t remember which
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What is your current take on Rutledge?
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I have a pretty high opinion...
And it’s been reinforced by the team’s actions this winter. Doesn’t get fooled at the plate and he has a much higher upside there than Herrera. While his defense is more suspect, I think he’s got a pretty good chance of being a legitimate Freddy Sanchez type of value for the Rockies at the position.
Agree on all points of Rutledge except his defense..
I would take his defense over Chris Nelson, Trevor Story and Hector Gomez.
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I was wondering if I should clarify that. I meant to imply that Rutledge is more shaky on D than Herrera is or Sanchez was
at a similar stage of development, not that I think his defense is suspect overall. Quite the opposite, in fact.
Anthony Bass?
I remember him having good stuff.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 18, 2011 12:13 PM MST up reply actions
On their own, they don't look too bad, but when you compare their young pitching group to the D-backs or Rockies,
the gap looks a lot wider. Bass and Luebke just don’t equate that well with Pom/White/Chacin/Nicasio or Kennedy/Hudson/Cahill/Bauer/etc..,
I agree.
Though throwing Wieland and Kelly in there, the gap gets a bit smaller.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 18, 2011 12:19 PM MST up reply actions
i have a bizarre mancrush on trevor bauer
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I have a mancrush on Dave Logan's voice.
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Diamondbacks are the favorites at this point. They're just solid all around and added a TOR starter.
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by Jeff Aberle on Dec 18, 2011 11:10 AM MST up reply actions
I meant less "Padres will win the West in 2012"
and more, “our division rivals took a big leap” analysis article. Especially since RG lives in Cincy and follows the Reds closely.
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I think the best thing for the Rockies would be for Arenado to go all Pujols as a rookie
I’ll sign up for this plan.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 18, 2011 10:23 AM MST via mobile reply actions
I'm alright with this.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 18, 2011 10:31 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Sounds great to me
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I thought it would be more about anoiting Hoyer and Villafying Jocketty
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reply fail to Muzia
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Hoyer would be quite the wizard
To push top prospects out from a division rival to a team he has nothing to do with :)
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 18, 2011 10:26 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Sorry. The whole AZ,SD,CHC, Boston merry go round has made me dizzy.
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food for thought for the wade davis lovers
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It's interesting how you have 3 Modesto High-A players listed as MLB-ready (Arenado, Rutledge, Matthes)..
It shows how good the Modesto team was last year and why Weinstein was promoted. It also shows how Modesto is more of our AA team and Tulsa a AAA team.
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I included those three because O'Dowd included them in his season ticket conference call the other day.
It’s pretty clear that the Rockies have a pretty high opinion of all three.
I hope he starts in Tulsa..
unless he is tearing the cover off the ball in Spring Training, I think the Rockies and him would benefit from a June callup.
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While I think this is still most likely, it really depends on where he is in March.
There’s a very real possibility that it could hurt both the player and the Rockies to have him spending time in Tulsa rather than the MLB.
Is Rutledge as close if he has a monster ST?
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I actually don't think it's as likely for Rutledge, although still possible.
What makes it a more real possibility with Arenado to me is the rapid speed of growth he’s undergone to get to this point combined with his age. Arenado shows more signs of being a prodigal type of talent that will learn and grow quickly wherever he’s placed.
He's probably on a faster timeline than Thomas Field was..
at least where he was this time last year. I bet Rutledge is at least in line for a September callup.
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I wonder who would get the call in a Tulo DL stint (knock on wood, spit, spin 3 times counter-clockwise)
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You SHUT YOUR PIE HOLE MISTER!
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I'm going to hide my head in shame.
I tried to flag my comment, but the actions link just disappeared when I clicked on it.
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Shall I flag it on your behalf?
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Yes!
and let’s start a rage war on Manningham vs Cuddyer to distract everyone.
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Whose Manningham?
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peyton manning and josh willingham's love child
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This isn't working, I'm cutting the cord on the internet..
Egyptian-style

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I don't know. I think you deserve
some public humiliation for such a comment.
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I'd hate to see what you'd do with the shotgun and a black cat
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Let's not forget a ladder
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with a bucket full of whatever you choose
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And a voodoo doll
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why would you even put that out in the universe
you poophead
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/2011
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I'm reccing just for use of "poophead"
it’s very 9 years old. I approve
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D:<
I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.
by prettyinpurple on Dec 18, 2011 2:14 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
So I take it you think you're better than me
I tempted fate and 1 week later, Tulo broke his wrist.
Think you’re gonna get away with this?
HA
Fate laughs as well.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 18, 2011 3:36 PM MST up reply actions
I'm going to kiss a pretty girl..
On January 1, 2012 and forget this year ever happened. I hope.
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by Charlie77 on Dec 18, 2011 5:44 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Personally, I'm fine with just forgetting 2011 ever happened
The pretty girl would just be a bonus.
Jason Giambi for player-manager in 2012!
How the world will end in 2012: George of the Roses builds a Machine that Pommels everyone with La Violencia during Whiteouts.
2011 started with me kissing a pretty girl
not sure how to feel about htat.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 18, 2011 9:30 PM MST up reply actions
I would argue this with you..
but then I compared his MiLB service time to Tulo’s and realized for his talent, he’s spent plenty of time on the farm:
Tulo
YR……..AGE…..TEAM……PA
2005……20….Modesto…..105
2006…..21….Tulsa……..485
Arenado
YR……..AGE…..TEAM……PA
2009……..18…..Casper……225
2010………19…..Asheville….400
2011………20……Modesto …..583
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The key is Tulsa
I’d feel better if Nolan gets 200 PA’s there before being called to the show.
I don't see the point of giving a player that's MLB ready 200 AA PA's to make fans or the team "feel better"
If he’s ready to face MLB pitching, it should show in ST, and it seems to be pointing to that already. If he’s not, then yeah, send him to AA.
I’d have him start in Tulsa just to hold back his clock. All of the talk about his awesomeness, his growth curve, his readiness just reinforces that for me.
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I'd really expect the Rockies to sign Arenado to a contract
if he shows the ability to stick at the MLB level in 2012. I don’t want overrate him but the bat could be that good where the Rockies feel he’s a Tulo/CarGo piece to this team.
Your 2012 Colorado Rockies:freshly exorcised from Ty Wigginton
we're not the rays
and he’s got scott boras as his agent, so that’s almost guaranteed not to happen
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Two years from now
I think they can discuss this
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If Rockies fans are worried about Arenado's arbitration clock, they're paying attention to the wrong clock.
The most important one for the team right now is the one that’s ticking for the peak of Tulo and Cargo. Why I’m in favor of having Arenado in the MLB as soon as he’s ready for MLB pitching is to maximize his production during the peak of the Rockies two superstars. If Arenado’s going to take an MLB season to develop before he’s really contributing to Tulo and Cargo’s peak, then I’d rather have that development year sooner than later. They can worry about signing him to an extension later, but that should be a secondary consideration.
I’m not sure the extra 2 months of development time at the MLB really outweighs the contract issues – especially considering the time at AA where he’s never played is also valuable development time..
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How valuable of development time?
How do you know it’s more valuable for Arenado to develop against weaker AA pitchers than it would be for him to develop against actual MLB pitchers?
I'm not against giving him a cup of Coffee and giving him a taste against MLB pitching,
A series against the Giants would tell a lot.
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never said it was more valuable but considering he’s only played A ball and the truncated AFL, I’m sure there’s something of a learning curve going to AA – it certainly wouldn’t be value-less.
Just regarding your initial point of getting him MLB ready as quickly as possible to thrive during the core years of Tulo and CarGo – I don’t believe holding him out of the MLB for two months would really have much of an adverse impact on his development. He’d still get about 4 months of MLB development time this season and will hopefully be pretty much all systems go in 2013 under either scenario.
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He'd only get two and a half months in 2012 in your scenario for avoiding Super-2 status.
And while it’s possible that he’d be fully ready for 2013 with just that as a tutoring period, I’d be more doubtful of it than if he had all of 2012. If 2013 is the Rockies goal to really get back in this thing, I really think they have to give Arenado as much a taste for the MLB in 2012 as possible.
I get the impression the team expects to win in 2012.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 18, 2011 2:11 PM MST up reply actions
The GM would never say otherwise, and the players probably believe it,
but the personnel moves all indicate a one year out forward thinking approach. I think they’re actually gearing up for a potential late 2012 run and probably hoping they stay close early, but not looking for even a stopgap 3B besides Arenado is probably the largest tell that the team sees this upcoming season as a developmental one. It makes much more sense to trade Smith, Stewart, Street and Iannetta for younger players too, if this is the case, as all would still be fairly close to their peaks in 2012.
It also gives
the Rockies a shot to see what Arenado has, and if he completely flops (which I wouldn’t expect) they could go out next year and sign/trade for another third baseman rather than hang hopes on him developing during the year in which they are planning on winning 100%.
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The cup of Coffee to see where he stands.
What he needs to work on if at all.
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There’s also been no mention of him making the team and then being in over his head. Maybe the best scenario would be for him to make the team out of spring, and if he struggles send him to AA for a couple of months and then bring him back up.
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I think this seems to be where the Rockies are too,
given that Arenado seems the best fit as the team’s Plan A for 3B at the moment. They have Wood and DJLM as back-up possibilities.
RG, can you clarify something for me
The basic premise of your argument is that the experience Arenado gets in 2012 – whether it’s a contending season or not – is more important in terms of the next 5 years of the Rockies than any service clock issues, which themselves may be less important than before because of the change in super 2 qualification. Is that right?
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Basically...
The balance of overall value to the Rockies franchise shifts in favor of calling Arenado up by Opening Day if that experience adds more to his MLB value in subsequent seasons than AA experience would.
exactly
isn’t the leap from A to AA supposed to be the toughest to make?
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It wasn't tough for Starlin Castro, it wasn't tough for Pablo Sandoval
I would not be arguing this approach for any player, but Arenado’s already showing himself to be somewhat exceptional. Again, I don’t think it’s likely that the Rockies go down this route, but if there’s a player in the system that it would be possible with, and possibly a good thing for both player and team, he’s it.
btw, the expansion of the Super 2 group with the new CBA
means the Rockies would probably have to wait until the All-Star break to call him up, it’s an extra 3 months if your intent is to avoid that, a full 5 months until September if your intent is for the Rockies to have the guarantee of keeping him until 2018 rather than 2017
I just can't see holding a MLB-ready player back
to plan for the 2018 season. This team needs to learn how to win now, and if Arenado’s the best 3B we’ve got coming out of ST, then he needs to play in the Majors in 2012. A lot can, and probably will, happen between now & 2018. Go for the wins now.
Having Arenado learn the ropes the big leagues in 2012 might just as easily make as big a difference in 2013 as it would in 2018.
I can’t believe fans would clamor for keeping a young star in the minors to hold back his free agent clock. It’s usually the other way around.
Also, two out of the last 3 MVPs of the AFL made a impact at the MLB level the next season
Ackley and Hanson were awesome the season after they won the award, and Desme had the potential to do the same, except he went into priesthood.
I wouldn’t complain if Arenado got AA time, but if the Rockies feel he can make an impact immediately, then I say they should go for it.
Your 2012 Colorado Rockies:freshly exorcised from Ty Wigginton
Some prospect analysts feel its necessary anyways, even if the bats ready, it really depends on the team
You can bet that if the Rays had the situation the Rockies had at 3rd base, it would be a surprise to see Arenado up for a September callup in 2012. Starting Arenado off in 2012 would really be a huge change in developmental philosophy for the Rockies.
Your 2012 Colorado Rockies:freshly exorcised from Ty Wigginton
The Rays had EXACTLY the Rockies situation
in 2008 — a young 3B who looked like he might be a superstar & Major League ready despite limited minor league experience. The team had never come close to winning a division & many said the young 3B wouldn’t make enough of difference to justify brining him up early.
The vets on the team all said he was ready. The front office sent him down to AAA after ST to postpone his free agent clock start. The vets and fans didn’t like it & were quite vocal.
They called him back up in less than a month. He won ROY and the Rays shocked everyone by winning the division. They promptly signed
Longoria to a longterm, arb-buyout deal.
"exactly" is a bit of stretch
considering longoria had spent 2007 scorching AA and AAA, rather than A+ and the AFL
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Counterpoints
Arenado has spent 3 yrs in the minors compared to Longoria’s 2. (Longroia jumped 3 levels in a year.
He has about 300 more minor league AB’s than Longoria had going into 2008.
When you’re ready, you’re ready. Maybe Arenado is, maybe not. ST will tell us a lot.
It also matters if a big prospect’steam has anyone else competent to play his position,defensively and offensively. The Rox really don’t. Cuddyyer’s no 3B except on a fill-in basis. Pacheco, either. LeMahieu has almost zero power — not what you want in a 3B The position is wide open, and the Rockies (management and teammates) know it. Fill it with the best player available at the end of ST.
Counterpoint
Longoria also spent a few seasons at Long Beach State before being drafted and spending two years in the minors
Now had you used Bryce Harper as an example I would have believed it.
/I agree with most of what you have though
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I'm worried of a rush to judgement
based on a few weeks of ST.
Jordan Pacheco comes to mind
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exactly what i was thinking
feasting off rusty pitchers does not mean he’s ready for the show full-time
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Big difference
He obviously wasn’t ready to play catcher fulltime, or almost fulltime.
Arenado may or may not be ready defensively, but if he’s close, there’s not exacly a lot of real competition at 3B.
Sticking a still-developing prospect at 3B is a lot different than putting one at catcher.
I agree
but they weren’t looking for him to be a full-time starter just a utility guy. They did send him to AAA and he didn’t play very well.
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It wouldn't just be that, though...
The Rockies have the AFL and his season in the CAL to also evaluate where his bat is compared to others.
AFL, extreme hitter's league, small sample.
CAL, another hitter’s league. Admittedly Modesto is a bad park for RH power, and his performance was excellent given his age.
I love Arenado as a prospect…I’m just not convinced that he’s MLB ready.
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based on what? Statistics? When the stats will have a sufficient sample to show that Arenado's "ready," it will already be a few weeks
or even months after he actually is ready. They are trailing indicators of this. It will have to be a scouting or coaching decision, but the stats are telling me that it’s possible for him to be.
Anyone who's seen Arenado in person can tell he's ready, except KL..
I like your point about a late 2012 run. This team needs starting pitching to develop and it won’t be ready until its later in the season and JDLR is in the rotation. By then either Bettis, Friedrich, Edwar or someone else will be contributing. If Nolan has seasoned enough he could be a major contributor in the Rockies run.
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by Charlie77 on Dec 18, 2011 5:55 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Mostly it's the lack of elite pitchers he's faced.
I’d like to see what he can do against AA pitching, but I’ll be thrilled if he adjusts right to MLB pitching this spring.
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As long as he's starting the games
he will get that chance, I don’t want to see him as a late inning replacement this spring because that won’t help his case much. I also don’t think the FO would do anything other than let him hit against the regulars.
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That's actually where I'm at.
I do expect him to start in AA, but I’m open to the strong possibility that he won’t have to.
Didn't see this posted before on Cuddyer
But it pretty much sums up my thoughts on that dead horse topic:
http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/19335/michael-cuddyer-hardly-the-fix-for-rockies
High(low)lights:
The bigger issues:
(1) What is the value of the positional flexibility? Cuddyer isn’t a particularly adept fielder at any position. He hasn’t played much third base since 2005 — even though the Twins haven’t had a good third baseman since. In other words, the Twins clearly didn’t think he could play there. He played 17 games at second base in 2011, which I think is more symbolic of what happened to the Twins than a sign of positional flexibility. Really, Cuddyer is a right fielder with a good arm but limited range. He’ll also be 33 … which means that range isn’t going to improve.
(2) He has a fairly sizable platoon split. His career OPS is 100 points higher against left-handers but even more pronounced the past three seasons: 210 points higher in 2009, 175 in 2010, 265 in 2011. Of course, his overall numbers should increase at Coors Field, but there’s nothing special about a right fielder with a .343 career on-base percentage. And again, we’ll see how he ages into his mid-30s.
I don’t think it’s a terrible signing, especially if the Rockies can flip Smith for some value. But it’s hardly an impact move. The Rockies still are a team with holes at second base and third base, without a proven 200-inning starter (Jhoulys Chacin did throw 194 innings last season) and counting on a 38-year-old first baseman with a bad back to remain healthy.
Disagree with that last sentence
We have a 42-yr-old understudy ready if our 38-yr-old 1B goes down.
I commented a couple of times on that blog
Since comments get buried so quickly here… He’s a good signing, just not worth 8 digits a year.
Also, I can’t stop laughing that RG (who I wholeheartedly respect) alluded to Ian Stewart’s “tremendous potential” earlier this week.
since when does ian stewart not have tremendous potential?
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2011
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exactly
I find it most comparable to speaking of a young surgeon’s “tremendous potential” after he’s saved one patient and killed ten.
A couple of people seem to have missed my sarcasm with that paragraph you allude to.
Not that I don’t think Stewart has potential, but let’s just say, I’m not seeing that trade the same as Baseball Prospectus did.
There's something that feels homey about posting on a Row thread on a Sunday afternoon
Except that unlike most of 2011, the Rockies are guaranteed not to lose today!
Has anyone else commented that there are now two pre-eminent professional athletes in Denver with the initials TT? And they represent opposite poles of the clutch spectrum?
Troy Tulowitski and ?????
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 18, 2011 2:45 PM MST up reply actions
If you cannot spell Tulowitzki correctly.....well then I just don't know what to say
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Those are the two guys.
Troy Tulowitzki and Troy Tulowitski
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 18, 2011 2:46 PM MST up reply actions
i thought his name was tulo tulowitski
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Only on his bobblehead
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This feels like MUZIA'S sig
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My current sig is already superior.
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At least it's not all days
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That would be TTT
I don’t know who TT is
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/gets popcorn
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I was thinking ice cream
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More like beer and Nachos
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Hey that's what I'm having right now!
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Bread and cheese.
I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.
by prettyinpurple on Dec 18, 2011 2:52 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Bread and water.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 18, 2011 2:53 PM MST up reply actions
I actually had hot dogs for lunch
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That was me yesterday.
After ice skating downtown, I felt like eating a footlong. We got Nathan’s instead.
Now I’m snacking- I had wings at Broncos party.
I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.
by prettyinpurple on Dec 18, 2011 3:00 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Beer, nachos and ice cream for desert?
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I apologize
I haven’t been around lately, so if there’s a moratorium on alluding to players on other pro teams in town, especially relatively obscure quarterbacks, then my bad.
I just make joke about the handegg.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 18, 2011 2:51 PM MST up reply actions
Nope. Nothing like that.
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My sensibilities? HUH?
I don’t care about Tebow…lol
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Speaking of which...
What are youmaking me for supper cat? It’s your turn. I made Spicy Mango Guave salad last time with a Chiken Marsala and Tullamore Dew.
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Uh....uh...steak? And sweet potatoes?
Broccoli and salad?
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(has empty fridge due to trip to Denver next week)
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Do you like a Port of prefer Merlot?
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Neither. Make it Petite Syrah :)
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It just looked like you were going heart healty there and the Port and Merlot are the best for that
What are you doing next thursday?
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Yeah but they are just too blech for me
Flying to Denver on Wednesday and then shop til I drop
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Meet you in Cherry creek?
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Not sure because I'll probably be with my Mom
shopping all depends on my Mom really.
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I'd like to meet her too. How's she doing?
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From all I know motoring along. :)
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Excellent.
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What is a Smoking Bishop
(too lazy to GoogleThatForMyself)
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It's a type of mulled wine
You basically roast some oranges, and then put them with a bottle of port (preferably) into a pot or slow cooker with some cloves and cinammon sticks.
Now that sounds tasty
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Believe me it is.
A perfect addition to a Chataue Birgnon
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there is no quarterback in this town with the initials TT
now if you want to talk about fullbacks, running backs, tight ends, safeties, or the like, we might have something
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BOOM roasted
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I'd like to see more of Brady Quinn
Only because he essentially shares my last name, which is of course a completely valid reason to endorse a player.
Essentially?
Only one n?
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 18, 2011 3:00 PM MST up reply actions
Quinine?
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/snrot
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LOL /snort
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might want to lay off the wine there, eh
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hehehehehe
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Quinto?
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squinto
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These days that is about right!
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Well you know me and my sensibilities and stuff
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OT: Downton Abbey/biondino
I finished Series 2 last night. The final episode redeemed most of the silliness that was Series 2. I’m looking forward to the Christmas Special, though I don’t know when we’ll get it here in the States.
Hopefully Lord Julian gets his act together for Series 3.
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I hope you get the Xmas special soon. It is set at Xmas so it'd be odd to show it at a different time of year.
I would suggest you look for, perhaps, other ways of sourcing it once it’s been broadcast over here. It’s really worth it.
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Did you get to the premiere or whatever?
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 18, 2011 2:58 PM MST up reply actions
I did! And the party afterwards.
I didn’t hobnob with stars, exactly – a novelist/tv presenter, an author’s wife and the woman who organises the council permits for red carpets is about the best of it. But the screening itself – all two hours of it – was awesome.
If I can find a way of sourcing a DVD after it’s transmitted – unlikely as I’ve no real excuse to ask for one, but you never know – I’ll send it over!
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I have my friend.
But I’m not sure if prevailing upon him to jump through the hoops he needs to jump through to send me the Xmas special is worth it. There are probably other methods but… meh.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 18, 2011 2:59 PM MST up reply actions
OT: Proposition
Does anyone in Golden/Denver/Surrounding area (close by that is) want to have a catch before the sun goes down today?
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Aww. That was so "Field of Dreams"!
I feel a little verklempt now ….
Someone have a catch with jrockies so I don’t have to cry okay?
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I'm downtown and bus bound.
By the time I’d get there it’d be after dark
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That's how I always ask
Or at least for the last 6 years since I stopped playing on a team
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Awrrrwwwww
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Check written
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I must be missing something with Niese
I admittedly have no knowledge of this player but i see a 25 with a career 4.00 ERA. Not bad, but not worth trading Rosario. Is he better than that? And would we prefer him or Volquez?
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Funny you bring this up.
I just watched a lot of video on Niese.
We’d definitely prefer Niese than Volquez. And I’d be willing to give up Rosario (along with some other prospects, if need be) to get Niese.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 18, 2011 3:19 PM MST up reply actions
Value wise who is he comparable to?
Latos? Jimenez? Cahill? Chacin? Davis? or more like Guthrie
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None of those guys.
Latos/Jimenez/Cahill are TOR guys. Davis/Guthrie BOR guys.
The closest comparison here is Chacin.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 18, 2011 3:28 PM MST up reply actions
I'd say kinda like Davis Stuff wise
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niese is better than davis
by a long shot
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are we talking about wade davis?
of the tampa bay rays?
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I was
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I was going to sat when he's on his command is better
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Oh... I was talking about Doug... Wade makes much more sense in context.
Too much egg nog this afternoon already.
Wonder how much fun you have with a snoot full?
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okay, i was gonna say
wade davis was never a solid mid-rotation pitcher
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And if Niese only become Doug Davis
That wouldn’t be worth Rosario.
But I think he’s got a much higher ceiling.
And a lower floor.
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Davis was a 4+ win pitcher during his prime seasons,
I don’t know why Niese wouldn’t be worth Rosario if we knew we could expect two 4 win seasons and a couple of 2+ win seasons out of him in his cost controlled years.
Maybe he's saying it would be worth more?
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When he's on he's very satisfying to watch...
It always seems he’s getting nicked/ hurt just when he’s getting on a big roll.
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Hm. Interesting note.
TroyRenck Troy Renck, Rockies
Could provide depth in camp RT @WilmerReina @TroyRenck Melvin Mora on #Rockies in Meridiano TV “They’re calling a lot”
I loved MelMo in ‘10. He had a terrible year last year. I’m not opposed to bringing him back for another look.
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As a back-up plan to our back-up plan he makes a lot of sense.
It would seem the Rockies would still prefer Arenado or even Wood to take the reins if they signed Mora, though, so I could understand why he’d be holding off reciprocating the interest right now. I’m guessing it’s a minor league contract NRI situation.
i keep forgetting about brandon wood...
he’s only on a minor-league contract, right?
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I could see Mel as a AAAA player/coach
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no thanks
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 19, 2011 7:26 AM MST up reply actions
OT: Broncos self destructing :(
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FYP
Broncos self destructing :( Patriots winning :D
arenado: it's Rockie for future
Shut up you :P
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Except for the whole Broncos fumbling 3 times you are correct
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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 3:58 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Wait, you're a Patriots and Yankees fan in Colorado?
I call bandwagon jumper.
Jason Giambi for player-manager in 2012!
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no, i just hate tebow
arenado: it's Rockie for future
ah, in that case

Jason Giambi for player-manager in 2012!
How the world will end in 2012: George of the Roses builds a Machine that Pommels everyone with La Violencia during Whiteouts.
Welcome to big boy football, Timmy Tim.
(Broncos against playoff teams in Tebow era: 0-2, outscored 83-33. At home.)
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by Franchise26 on Dec 18, 2011 5:46 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
those numbers combine to equal happiness
arenado: it's Rockie for future
The Broncos' defense has given up an average of 40+ points in the team's last two losses
Clearly, that is the fault of the quarterback.
Jason Giambi for player-manager in 2012!
How the world will end in 2012: George of the Roses builds a Machine that Pommels everyone with La Violencia during Whiteouts.
Axes do not hone themselves.
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by Paleface Destro on Dec 18, 2011 10:13 PM MST up reply actions
Dude whatever Tebow could've stopped the Pats if they'd let him play defense AND offense.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 18, 2011 10:17 PM MST up reply actions
Dude, God was busy with the Kim Illy and stuff
I’m no Broncos fan, but they have been amusing the last few weeks, and my daughter seems to have become quite the Donk fan, so our TV will feature their games for years to come, I’m sure.
I also have no issue with biases (I hate the Eagles and Cowboys with the fire of 1000 suns), but I prefer when people acknowledge them.
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by Paleface Destro on Dec 18, 2011 10:25 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
(and yes, the Jesusback has a long way to go, though he seems to be slowly improving...)
Sorry…I should stop. This isn’t a football site…
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by Paleface Destro on Dec 18, 2011 10:27 PM MST up reply actions
haha
jesusback… nice
arenado: it's Rockie for future
Hey man, I'm a Vikings fan
Jason Giambi for player-manager in 2012!
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I will rec'd this for the use of DONK.
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by Roxman4ever on Dec 18, 2011 11:08 PM MST up reply actions
Hehehehe
Nope they actually had a lead and scored two TDs!
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and missed on PAT :(
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Green Bay lost though
GO KC
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by jrockies on Dec 18, 2011 3:59 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
THIS and REC'D
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Question:
Would you rather have Endy Chavez at 1 yr/$1.5M, Cody Ross at 2 yr/$12M, or Cuddyer at 3 yr/$31.5M?
Let's see here...
I don’t want Chavez at any price, $6M/yr is about double what I’d want to pay for Ross, so I’ll take Cuddyer.
Jason Giambi for player-manager in 2012!
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GAME CHANGER
Wil Nieves is a Rockie.
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JFK
Dont shoot me but
Who is Wil Nieves?
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I'm pretty sure he was on the Nationals last year
He’s a catcher
Jason Giambi for player-manager in 2012!
How the world will end in 2012: George of the Roses builds a Machine that Pommels everyone with La Violencia during Whiteouts.
or ever, really
arenado: it's Rockie for future
Yep
he would only be around for ST, unless the team decides Rosario isn’t ready in which case I could see him as a backup, but only that. 1 start per week.
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I would think Wilkin Castillo's ahead of Nieves on the depth chart right now,
But without having a good scouting report of either catcher’s defense, I could be mistaken.
this is funny
arenado: it's Rockie for future
whoops
arenado: it's Rockie for future
by papality on Dec 18, 2011 7:10 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Tremendous
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Awesome awesome awesome.
Sounds like my wife. She doesn’t like the fact that I do fantasy baseball. Funny thing of it is, She did 2 years ago and was whooping everyone for awhile.
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Wow. That's kind of unexpected no? I mean he's only 69
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Chicka bow wow
for the number.
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Really? Oy....
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I hate to see anyone die.
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I wouldn't go that far...
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I mean he was kind of a pain in the butt
but still.
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there really are a few people in the world that it's better off not having.
Kim Jong Il fell into that category. No remorse whatsoever about this news for me.
yeah worse things definitely could have happened.
arenado: it's Rockie for future
Sure does make me wonder what's next for North Korea
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Famine?
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Well I mean we joke about it
but it does have the potential to be kind of a big deal depending on who ascends. I assume it will be his son
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Yeah, I just flipped over to CNN.
His son is supposedly in line, but they wonder if others (like military leaders or whoever) might try to take over. Apparently nobody really knows anything about his son.
Yeah seems like this could be very destabilizing either for the good or bad in the region
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His son's really not likely to hold power for long.
Their military’s too powerful at this point, and he doesn’t have the cult of personality his father does.
The same thing was said to some degree about KJIL...so yeah, should be interesting.
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by Paleface Destro on Dec 18, 2011 8:39 PM MST up reply actions
Hey, at least he’s a Tony Kukoc fan!
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What's Croatian for, "Gee, um...thanks??"
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by Paleface Destro on Dec 18, 2011 8:49 PM MST up reply actions
Oh, I was being serious.
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I know you were, I was just saying in general
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So...situation normal?
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by Paleface Destro on Dec 18, 2011 8:36 PM MST up reply actions
He needed to be stone dead years ago
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by Paleface Destro on Dec 18, 2011 8:32 PM MST up reply actions
Who the hell are you?
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You're the third person who has asked me that today
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by Paleface Destro on Dec 18, 2011 8:33 PM MST up reply actions
(give or take approximately two)
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by Paleface Destro on Dec 18, 2011 8:34 PM MST up reply actions
a relic of ages past
the likes of which has not been seen on this board since the times of out grandfathers
arenado: it's Rockie for future
GET OFF MY LAWN
Oh, wait…it’s brown, so meh.
Seriously, though, life’s been in the way lately.
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by Paleface Destro on Dec 18, 2011 8:35 PM MST up reply actions
maybe they should've taken better care of the track.
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exercise is a lot more difficult on a train
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That's why you only exercise in the sleeping compartment
if you know what I mean
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There is such a thing called the "Clickity Clack Club"
Think about it.
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But he's too ronery for that!
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by Paleface Destro on Dec 18, 2011 8:33 PM MST up reply actions
Well if you were poisoned, shot, or otherwise incapacitated
then I guess that could count as physical fatigue…..whilst on a train…
I’m not saying that’s what happened…I’m just sayin’
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Agatha Christie style
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doesn't matter
daed
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 18, 2011 9:32 PM MST up reply actions
I cannot freaking spell today
*dead.
DOESN’T MATTER
DEAD
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 18, 2011 9:32 PM MST up reply actions
no longer Kim Jong-il
now he’s just Kim Jong-dead.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 18, 2011 8:35 PM MST up reply actions
Wow. This guy is something else
TrippingOlney Not Buster Olney
SO NORTH KOREA NEEDS A NEW DICTATOR…. AND THAT EXPLAINS WHY THE YU DARVISH BIDDING WAS SO MUCH HIGHER THAN WE EXPECTED
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more
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GENE LAMONT IS AVAILABLE RT @RoneFace: HEARD THIS: GIVEN NEW OPENING IN NORTH KOREA, BOBBY VALENTINE REGRETS SIGNING DEAL WITH RED SOX.
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oh, trippingolney
arenado: it's Rockie for future
He be trippin'
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OT: This made me laugh
Trippin’ Olney
SO IS THE NORTH KOREA JOB UP ON MONSTER.COM YET? AND IF SO WHERE DO I SUBMIT MY RESUME?
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I liked that one was as well.
Also this one that he retweeted:
ONCE BRUCE CHEN DECIDED NOT TO PLAY IN NORTH KOREA THIS YEAR IT WAS JUST A MATTER OF TIME. #BruceChenFallout
So has Purple Row alone basically tripled this guy's Twitter followers this past two weeks?
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by Greg Stanwood on Dec 19, 2011 12:09 AM MST up reply actions
Maybe,, my name of course is on that list.
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by Roxman4ever on Dec 19, 2011 12:25 AM MST up reply actions
I started Trippin on him about a month ago I think
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Speaking of BOOM
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JOE MAUER SPRAINED HIS THUMB CHANGING THE CHANNEL TO CNN AFTER HEARING OF KIM JONG IL’S DEATH.
Glad we signed Cuddyer when we did
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that's awesome
arenado: it's Rockie for future
oh wait, keith law linked it
i mean, that’s ok, but i don’t think that will really be able to contribute on defense.
arenado: it's Rockie for future
Hey, it could be worse. He might think KJIL is a Rockie
and boy then he’d have something to say about it.
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For some reason it's endlessly funny to me. I keep scrolling through.
I think this one might be my favorite.
Bahahahaha
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It's been one of my favorite blogs for a few years.
I always wonder if there’s something wrong with me when Keith Law and I share tastes, though.
I was exaggerating the timeline of when I first was led to it.
It couldn’t have been more than a year ago, because it just started 14 months ago, seemingly. The 2011 season must have really warped my sense of time. Seems like years ago.
think this might be mine

arenado: it's Rockie for future
Dude liked him some sausage, it would seem
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by Paleface Destro on Dec 18, 2011 8:38 PM MST up reply actions
...which is funny, because he looks more like a rat.
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by Paleface Destro on Dec 18, 2011 8:41 PM MST up reply actions
true that...
This was the first post I saw on the blog.., so I guess it was just barely over a year ago.
Wow...
So many rude comments, so little time
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by Paleface Destro on Dec 18, 2011 8:47 PM MST up reply actions
In NK, the stuff he looks at should really qualify for the Journal of Irreproducible Results.
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by Paleface Destro on Dec 18, 2011 8:46 PM MST up reply actions
unless a set of twins is involved
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Well, when it's fulfill Dear Leader's fantasies or death, let's just say I don't judge.
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by Paleface Destro on Dec 18, 2011 8:50 PM MST up reply actions
He seems entirely too happy
about all those sausages…
and oh how bout feeding your people
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Food is a prop, of course
It’s what you use to impress gullible foreigners.
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by Paleface Destro on Dec 18, 2011 8:40 PM MST up reply actions
Ahhhhhh
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it works, too
i’m getting hungry
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It does look good, doesn't it?
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by Paleface Destro on Dec 18, 2011 8:43 PM MST up reply actions
Where the hell is Maria in this discussion?
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I know, right?
The mind boggles.
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by Paleface Destro on Dec 18, 2011 8:44 PM MST up reply actions
tick... tock...
arenado: it's Rockie for future
Our summoning powers seem to be weakened.
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by Paleface Destro on Dec 18, 2011 8:51 PM MST up reply actions
This is pure gold
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by Paleface Destro on Dec 18, 2011 8:48 PM MST up reply actions
OT: More from TrippingOlney
TrippingOlney Not Buster Olney
SO PREREQUISITES FOR NORTH KOREAN DICTATOR… FAKE LOOKING DARK HAIR. SUNGLASSES… TONY LARUSSA, YOU HAVE A PHONE CALL.
Damn…he’s bold
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This is harsh
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SO PREREQUISITES FOR NORTH KOREAN DICTATOR… FAKE LOOKING DARK HAIR. SUNGLASSES… TONY LARUSSA, YOU HAVE A PHONE CALL.
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I guess someone is REALLY ronery now.
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by Paleface Destro on Dec 18, 2011 8:30 PM MST reply actions
He is where he belongs
I retract my statement above.
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BAhahahah Tripping Olney
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NORTH KOREA TRIED TO ACQUIRE CHRIS PAUL LAST WEEK BUT DAVID STERN VETOED IT.
Okay I guffawed
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More tripping Olney this is my favorite
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ALSO INEVITABLE: JOE WEST EJECTED KIM JONG IL.
Where is Balkin Bob in all this?
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Genius?
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RT @Rogerwhutwhut: @TrippingOlney Skip: “If John Fox had made Tim Tebow the starter in week one, Kim Jong Il would’ve been dead weeks ago!”
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So...fire John Fox?
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by Paleface Destro on Dec 18, 2011 8:43 PM MST up reply actions
I dont like Bayless anyways
TrippingOlney Not Buster Olney
KIM JONG IL’S DEATH WILL PLAY NICELY INTO SKIP BAYLESS’S “TIM TEBOW JUST KNOWS HOW TO WIN, EVEN WHEN HE LOSES” NARRATIVE TOMORROW.
63 today, 62 tomorrow is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
So, there's been "Great Leader" and "Dear Leader". What's next?
“Precious Leader”? “Leader of Appreciable Value”?
INQUIRING MINDS WANT TO KNOW!
Paleface Destro: The Resident Smartass of the Ubaldo Lovers Club
There are those who call me..."Skip".
I snark because I care.
by Paleface Destro on Dec 18, 2011 8:54 PM MST reply actions
"leader at fair market value"
arenado: it's Rockie for future
Could that be Tulo?
63 today, 62 tomorrow is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
i dunno
michael cuddyer, the human cork, is now on the team
arenado: it's Rockie for future
I dont know if you could call that a "fair market value"
63 today, 62 tomorrow is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
LAR
Leader Above Replacement
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
xLAR
It’s country-adjusted.
Paleface Destro: The Resident Smartass of the Ubaldo Lovers Club
There are those who call me..."Skip".
I snark because I care.
by Paleface Destro on Dec 18, 2011 9:08 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Heh
I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.
by prettyinpurple on Dec 18, 2011 10:26 PM MST up reply actions
or for you dodgers fans:
leader on a ridiculously backloaded contract
arenado: it's Rockie for future
Or for Marlins fans
Leader of SEC Investigations
Paleface Destro: The Resident Smartass of the Ubaldo Lovers Club
There are those who call me..."Skip".
I snark because I care.
by Paleface Destro on Dec 18, 2011 9:06 PM MST up reply actions
I was really surprised at the insensitivity of the Row regard the death
of the greatest golfer of our lifetime
Kim was talking at eight weeks old, wrote six operas and no fewer than 1,500 books in three years at university and topped that with 11 holes-in-one and a 38-under par the first time he wielded a golf club
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
by TomCat009 on Dec 19, 2011 6:41 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
hello friends
Im a Twins fan and just want to say a few things about Cuddyer. Ive tried to page through the 1000 comments (not bad for the offseason!). About the defense, yeah he has got limited range, bunch kind of makes up for it with a cannon arm (there was a great radio ad a few years back touting the arm with the tag line: Ready, aim, Cuddyer!). He CANT play 3B or 2B, even though he has played there in the past. He only filled in at 2B because the Twins were so injury depleted he was the only one that could play. He played 3B as a younger player and was a butcher. He has played a lot of 1B the last few years because of the Morneau injury.
At the plate, it seems like he cant stay away from that 2 strike slider/cutter going away from him and strikes out. But, when he gets on his hot streaks, he can carry a team. You probably heard he is a tremendous clubhouse guy and active in the community (I think he was on the board of the Twins Community Fund charity and held other charity events) He is pretty good with the media to, always giving a quote.
Im sad to see him go because he is the last link to the Tom Kelly/post contraction awesomeness days. And is generally a good team player. He is a bit overpaid but I guess thats the market these days. Im glad he is going to a team like the Rockies that seems like a good team/fanbase to play for
by DedicatedFollowerOfFashion on Dec 19, 2011 2:35 PM MST reply actions

































