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Sunday Rockpile: Maturity wanted. And right handed bench bats. And maybe an ace April-June pitcher. Okay-okay, also a second baseman.

DENVER, CO - SEPTEMBER 11:  Starting pitcher Drew Pomeranz #47 of the Colorado Rockies delivers against the Cincinnati Reds at Coors Field on September 11, 2011 in Denver, Colorado. Pomeranz earned the win making his major league debut as the Rockies defeated the Reds 4-1..  (Photo by Doug Pensinger/Getty Images)

The Rockies have reached out to Brad Lidge. - The Colorado native and off season resident has some interest in returning home to pitch. Lidge would serve as a set-up man and insurance for Rafael Betancourt.

Camp Tulo - Troy Tulowitzki wishes to be MVP, and he's pushing Nolan Arenado hard to follow in his tracks. Once again Arenado's mentioned as a possibility for the Rockies Opening Day third baseman. Arenado's also the most likely player to break the "Second base must bat second" model that Jim Tracy espouses. A hypothetical lineup using parts already on hand:

  1. CF - Dexter Fowler
  2. 3B - Nolan Arenado
  3. LF - Carlos Gonzalez
  4. SS - Troy Tulowitzki
  5. RF - Michael Cuddyer
  6. 1B - Todd Helton
  7. C - Ramon Hernandez
  8. 2B - DJ LeMahieu
  9. P -

Looks pretty good if the two youngest players Arenado and LeMahieu, rise to their potential. Obviously the Rockies and their fans would prefer a more experienced and predictable option at one of those two infield slots, especially if it's Martin Prado, but this lineup does have a lot of promise.

Similarly, come July, the rotation could also be daunting if the Rockies young pitching matures ahead of schedule and pitches to their talent.

Pitcher

There's a high ceiling for that list, just not a lot of maturity or experience, and given the lineup, this team should be divisional competitive at its peak. My point with this would be that one of the Rockies biggest needs to be competitive in 2012 isn't something any front office could bring, they need the talent already on hand to grow up to their capabilities. This is a bit of irony given General Manager Dan O'Dowd's statements about wanting a team of men and not little boys, seeing as he's the one who's stocked the club with so many early 20-somethings. That said, both the Indians and Diamondbacks of 2011 are examples of young teams maturing into better than projected results despite not making major overhauls in the winter before. The Rays use the approach as a key part of their model.

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O'Dowd's somewhat successfully followed that path with the Rockies pitching for next season, getting a bundle of young talented arms keeps the team from having to rely on any one individual breakout. Despite my title to today's post, that's not the only place we see a gathering pool of talent that could be starter capable. The infield mix lacks the same upside of the pitching group outside of Arenado, but you can start to see a similar pattern emerging. Arenado, LeMahieu and Josh Rutledge, along with Brandon Wood will be added to a possible in 2012 pool that already included carryovers Jordan Pacheco, Thomas Field, Chris Nelson, Eric Young, Brad Emaus and Jonathan Herrera.

In the outfield, the Rockies have a similar glut of ready now and near MLB players that includes Tyler Colvin, Jamie Hoffman, Charlie Blackmon, Tim Wheeler and Kent Matthes. Cynics will see this as O'Dowd building a AAAA team rather than an MLB ready one, but there is no team in the division, and only a couple in the major leagues that can boast this kind of depth. For that, I do think the front office deserves some credit. The Padres come half way there, they have the depth of position players, but not the pitching. The Diamondbacks are sort of in the opposite camp, having pitching depth (this got weakened with the Cahill trade) but not position player depth.

Depth doesn't show up in off-season projections, which can't really account for the increased likelihood of breakouts that accompanies it, but I'm a firm believer that it can show up in the W/L results at the end of a season. Albeit, here's my hedge of the day: the Rockies were a relatively deep team last year too (I don't think they were as deep as they are now, though) and if the front line of starting talent is as disastrous again in 2012 as it was in 2011, it won't matter how deep the Rockies are.

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Oops, forgot the other Renck post I was going to link

which was a bit related to the last section of this post, his Christmas wish list for the Rockies. He reiterates the Smith for Niese rumor (adding Hammel and another piece) which was vehemently denied to NY media yesterday. I’m seeing too much smoke here for it to be completely made up. As we know from the Ubaldo Jimenez trade rumors last year, playing the NY media is a tricky skill which the Yankees do pretty well, but my experience has been that the Mets as is probably to be expected, aren’t nearly as crafty with it.

by Rox Girl on Dec 18, 2011 8:39 AM MST reply actions  

Not that I am a massive fan of Niese

as you know, but if he could be had for Smith and Hammel, it would be a steal.

by mkorpal on Dec 18, 2011 9:19 AM MST up reply actions  

I'm guessing the actual trade value is between this and where Mets fans and certain media are indicating it is.

He’s not going to get a Cahill type of deal, for instance, but it seems rumors are indications that the Mets FO actually understands this and is looking for this type of deal with a solid (but maybe not Arenado/Rosario solid) prospect added.

by Rox Girl on Dec 18, 2011 9:42 AM MST up reply actions  

I think the Mets would be a lot more interested in a Tim Wheeler/Charlie Blackmon than the older and more expensive Seth Smith. They’ve told the A’s they aren’t interested in including Niese in any deal for Gio Gonzalez so seem to have their eye on acquiring multiple young pieces in a Niese type deal. I doubt Smith fits that.

by Adam2011 on Dec 18, 2011 10:02 AM MST up reply actions  

Ithink the mets want Rosario,

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by Oldfoagie on Dec 18, 2011 10:36 AM MST up reply actions  

if that's all they wanted, it would be a trade I'd consider.

Rosario has a lot of upside, but also a lot of a risk that he hits his floor instead. Too much of the latter risk, in my opinion, for a player at that level without showing any forward progress in 2011. I do think he’s shown some of the progress I was looking for in the DWL at least, but I’d still strongly consider trading him for a safer bet like Niese.

by Rox Girl on Dec 18, 2011 10:41 AM MST up reply actions  

OH they'll want more.

Their need at catcher is really the biggest thorn in their side among position players. I’ve read rumblings about a pitcher’s mutiny against Thole.

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by Oldfoagie on Dec 18, 2011 10:47 AM MST up reply actions  

Interesting

I hadn’t heard that regarding Thole.

by Adam2011 on Dec 18, 2011 11:49 AM MST up reply actions  

It was in one of the Jersey papers and I've already deleted the that file from last year.

It’s part of why Capuano and the Japanese relief pitcher (whose name I’m gagging on) fled.

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by Oldfoagie on Dec 18, 2011 11:54 AM MST up reply actions  

I would too

even more if we didn’t trade CDI already.

by webgem14 on Dec 18, 2011 11:52 AM MST up reply actions  

I've been thinking this about Rosario for A while

Which is why I found it strange you had him as #1 on your purps list last month.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 18, 2011 1:36 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

I do too

I was only responding to which OF I thought they would be most interested in.

by Adam2011 on Dec 18, 2011 11:48 AM MST up reply actions  

agreed.

mets fans i’ve talked to have no interest in Smith. They’d much rather have a younger outfielder who can play once Bay is off their books (as bad as Bay is, their FO can’t justify not playing him).

by purplerowtroller on Dec 19, 2011 2:02 PM MST up reply actions  

JFK's Quote of the Day:

“What I’ve learned from Cal is to respect the game, respect the fans. Nothing fancy out there. Just do your job.” ~Alex Rodriguez

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by jrockies on Dec 18, 2011 9:19 AM MST reply actions  

“[Giambi] has been at the superstar level. He knows how to slow the game down when all eyes are on him. That’s something I have to improve,” Tulowitzki said. “The pressure is only to grow as expectations increase for our team and as I make more money. I look back at my rookie year when the sellout crowd was doing the ‘Tulo’ chant. I could hear it. I still do. But I need to turn that around so I am not focused on pleasing the fans, but knowing that they are on my side and that all the pressure is on the pitcher. ‘G’ is really helping me with the mental side of the game.”

Seems that Tulo understands that an integral part of any improvement for this team rests on him not squeezing the bat into sawdust and trying to hit an eight-run homer every time he comes to the plate in a big spot late in games. A huge part of the 2011 team’s failure to jump-start late rallies was the fact that they couldn’t count on their best player to come through.

I don’t know how good we’re going to be in 2012, but I’d love to at least lose that 2011 feeling that I might as well turn the game off when we’re down two runs in the seventh inning because there’s no way in hell we’re getting back on level terms, much less winning. I’m glad the team has a leader that understands that the buck stops with him in that regard. If he improves in those spots, I feel like the rest of the squad can follow his lead.

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by Franchise26 on Dec 18, 2011 9:42 AM MST reply actions  

seems like Tulo knows he IS unclutch

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 18, 2011 10:17 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

or the realization that nobody is as clutch as he wants to be.

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by Oldfoagie on Dec 18, 2011 10:19 AM MST up reply actions  

perhaps

but tulo is REALLY unclutch

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by papality on Dec 18, 2011 11:16 AM MST up reply actions  

RIRF thinks I'm really anti Tulo, and now I get slapped for saying something positive about him

I can’t win.

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by Oldfoagie on Dec 18, 2011 11:19 AM MST up reply actions  

hehe
I can’t win.

seems like the meme of PR this offseason

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by papality on Dec 18, 2011 11:22 AM MST up reply actions  

At least Tulo is starting to grow up and realise the world doesn't rotate around him.

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by Oldfoagie on Dec 18, 2011 11:25 AM MST up reply actions  

Did Tulo think that before?

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 11:26 AM MST up reply actions  

i think that quote demonstrates some issues with putting too much pressure on himself

which i think we can all validate from what we’ve seen in games

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by papality on Dec 18, 2011 11:28 AM MST up reply actions  

IMO, there is a big difference between saying he's putting too much pressure on himself

and thinking the world rotates around him.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 11:36 AM MST up reply actions  

It's cool that Tulo is all copetitive all the time...

Maybe he didn’t think the world revolved around him; but I do think he’s allowed himself to be victimised by the hype around him. It’s not that he lacks ability; as his own expectation are insurmountable and he’s showing signs of realising that. Part of Maturing. Good for him.

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by Oldfoagie on Dec 18, 2011 11:46 AM MST up reply actions  

Tulo has earned most of his "hype" if that's the term you want to use.

IMO, he does walk the talk for the most part in his defensive play, dingers, earning GG,SS(mumble ROY mumble), but his clutch goes out at times and there are arguments as to whether clutch exists. But victimized by hype. Meh, I don’t really see it.

I think his problem is that he wants to win so badly that at times he gets in his own way.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 11:56 AM MST up reply actions  

Which makes me think he could use

a sports psychologist to help him through that nasty habit of pressing too much.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 12:01 PM MST up reply actions  

And he's using "G" as the sports psychologist

It could work

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by jrockies on Dec 18, 2011 12:45 PM MST up reply actions  

We shall see :)

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 12:47 PM MST up reply actions  

/snort

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 1:10 PM MST up reply actions  

Convince that your approach needs to be the same

in the 9th as it is in the first, and everything will be fine.

by webgem14 on Dec 18, 2011 1:06 PM MST up reply actions  

indeed

his talent and worth ethic + a little more mental maturity could do wonders. and that’s something i’m glad we still have giambi around for. of course, i must be the only person who thinks keeping him around is a good idea

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by papality on Dec 18, 2011 11:27 AM MST up reply actions  

I'm ready for Giambi as Bench coach...

Not a roster spot.

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by Oldfoagie on Dec 18, 2011 11:38 AM MST up reply actions  

I've been very much in favor of Giambi each of the last two seasons.

For these reasons and the fact that he’s so old that he’s really easy to put on the DL as he’s probably got a chronic pain someplace. This is almost like having another player with minor league options from a roster management standpoint.

by Rox Girl on Dec 18, 2011 11:40 AM MST up reply actions  

I still don't think his role fits an NL team.

I also think his presence has retarded our having a legit Todd successor.

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by Oldfoagie on Dec 18, 2011 11:48 AM MST up reply actions  

I actually don't think 1B usually works that way in the MLB.

A legitimate successor to Todd would be so obvious that he’d push Todd to the bench, not wait around for Helton to retire. I don’t know of any players like that which have transferred from one team to another recently, and that includes Alonso, who I think would be more of a stop-gap, temporary solution for most teams. The Rockies are going to have to develop their Helton replacement from within. Matthes is probably the best bet for that from our current players on the farm (BA projected him to be our 1B a few years from now.)

by Rox Girl on Dec 18, 2011 11:58 AM MST up reply actions  

Though I could see why people give it to Matthes.

He’s bigger andjust came off a monster season.

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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 18, 2011 12:02 PM MST up reply actions  

It's really nice to not be talking about Arenado as Todd's future 1B replacement..

it’s a testament to how hard he’s worked at his defense.

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by Charlie77 on Dec 18, 2011 12:46 PM MST up reply actions  

Agreed...

Then again you and I tend to agree more often than not.

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by Oldfoagie on Dec 18, 2011 12:48 PM MST up reply actions  

That's ok; you don't throw it around as much

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by Oldfoagie on Dec 18, 2011 1:08 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah but with Todd's medical limitation; will that be in time or two years too late?

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by Oldfoagie on Dec 18, 2011 12:01 PM MST up reply actions  

Matthes could see MLB time this season.

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by Muzia on Dec 18, 2011 12:03 PM MST up reply actions  

Has he had enough time at 1b?

I’ve mostly read about him as a OF

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by Oldfoagie on Dec 18, 2011 12:04 PM MST up reply actions  

Did he really?

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by Oldfoagie on Dec 18, 2011 12:06 PM MST up reply actions  

The film is holltwood and even Beane has said they were a little off on that.

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by Oldfoagie on Dec 18, 2011 12:11 PM MST up reply actions  

Oh I felt the sarchasm I felt you missed mine.

Getting used to a new lap top. Not used to the different key pad and the touch mouse.

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by Oldfoagie on Dec 18, 2011 12:14 PM MST up reply actions  

I really wish Matthes had awesome walk rates instead of crappy ones – he’d be a much better bet to have value translate to the MLB level…

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by Resolution on Dec 18, 2011 1:02 PM MST up reply actions  

the FO hates walks now

it’ll probably be to his benefit that he doesn’t walk

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by papality on Dec 18, 2011 1:03 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah!

Walks were soo last year’s Prada.

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by Charlie77 on Dec 18, 2011 1:08 PM MST up reply actions  

unfortunately

i fear that’s exactly where this new contact-based team philosophy will lead

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by papality on Dec 18, 2011 1:11 PM MST up reply actions  

I think to call it contact-based isn’t quite right – maybe ‘aggressive’. I got tired of watching Iannetta and Stewart take pitches. Yeah, they drew some walks. They also started a lot of counts 0-2 without lifting the bat. No team in their right mind is going to NOT want hitters who aren’t selective – but they’re definitely wanting to get away from guys who were selective to a fault.

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by Franchise26 on Dec 18, 2011 1:13 PM MST up reply actions  

Except Stewart was not that selective.

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by Oldfoagie on Dec 18, 2011 1:17 PM MST up reply actions  

Neither was CDI

Stewart definitely chased his share. A lot of people don’t realize, Iannetta swung at more pitches in the zone than the average player. His bigger issue was swinging and missing in the zone more than normal.

by webgem14 on Dec 18, 2011 1:21 PM MST up reply actions  

I hope this is in jest

I don’t want to go all season hearing Cuddyer is a mediocre player. He’s not.

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by Muzia on Dec 18, 2011 12:07 PM MST up reply actions  

yeah, it is

i don’t think i’ll be butthurt about this too much longer, don’t worry

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by papality on Dec 18, 2011 12:08 PM MST up reply actions  

He needs a nickname.

the Cudd-yer pronunciation is engraved in my mind now. I’d even settle for Cuddy, just not Cuddyer..

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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 18, 2011 12:10 PM MST up reply actions  

It's Mitch.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 12:11 PM MST up reply actions  

let's have two nicknames for him

just like garry/unicorn, one good and one bad

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by papality on Dec 18, 2011 12:12 PM MST up reply actions  

I like Mitch because

someone said they thought his name was Mitch Cuddyer which amuses me greatly :) Sort of like Brandon Hawpe

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 12:48 PM MST up reply actions  

So when he's on my excrement list I can call him Mitchell like you called Seth Gary?

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by Oldfoagie on Dec 18, 2011 12:50 PM MST up reply actions  

and I call Dex: William

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by jrockies on Dec 18, 2011 12:55 PM MST up reply actions  

But Seth's first name is actually Garry.

you can call him Vera if you want :)

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 12:58 PM MST up reply actions  

Dimples

was a name he had early in his career, if I remember right.

by webgem14 on Dec 18, 2011 1:10 PM MST up reply actions  

Well that's nice

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 1:10 PM MST up reply actions  

Mediocre in terms of offense generally expected for the position, maybe

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by Jeff Aberle on Dec 18, 2011 12:21 PM MST up reply actions  

This would seem to be a massive reach

even if the Rockies had ever actually done it once.

When have they ever ‘flexed’ Giambi off the roster when there was a need in another area? Instead, his roster spot is that one that we lock up 15 minutes after the season ends, and then work around all of the limitations it brings.

by Northsider1964 on Dec 18, 2011 12:23 PM MST up reply actions  

"...all of the limitations it brings" is at least as much a reach.

There really isn’t the kind of restriction people imply. The Rockies rightfully deemed Cole Garner and Ryan Spilborghs bigger hindrances to roster flexibility.

by Rox Girl on Dec 18, 2011 12:32 PM MST up reply actions  

So you don't think the fact that Giambi

cannot play two days in a row has anything do with Cuddyer being on the Rockies’ roster, instead of Willingham at 1/3 less cost? You don’t think it contributed to the decision to sign Ty Wigginton?

O’Dowd locking himself into another year of Giambi before he even knows what the rest of the roster is going to look like is a move that would have this forum wetting its pants with laughter if it were made by any other NL GM.

by Northsider1964 on Dec 18, 2011 12:40 PM MST up reply actions  

hold the phone....

are you seriously trying to claim that ty wigginton is at all a responsible use of roster space?

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by papality on Dec 18, 2011 12:45 PM MST up reply actions  

If Wiggy could hit with RISP...maybe?

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 12:48 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm sorry! I'm sorry!

I don’t know what I was thinking! It was the alcohol talking….or something.

Please please don’t do it. I’m sorry!!!!

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 12:57 PM MST up reply actions  

No

I’m saying one of the reasons Wiggy was brought onto the 2011 roster was because we lacked a backup 1B who can actually play more than three times a month. And I think the same is true of Cuddyer. I don’t hate getting Cuddyer, mind you, but compared to Willingham at a lower cost? I’ll take the latter, just like the Twins did.

by Northsider1964 on Dec 18, 2011 12:49 PM MST up reply actions  

Looking around a quick Google search, I'm not seeing that.

Just one example, this neutral forum seems to have a 5-1 split in favor of the move.

As that forum points out too, it was a mutual option situation, so the Rockies had no option of waiting this year as they did last season (you seem to have selective memory of this, he signed after the middle of January last year on a very roster flexible minor league contract that had to become an MLB contract by a certain point.) It had nothing to do with restricting the Rockies in regard to Wigginton.

by Rox Girl on Dec 18, 2011 12:48 PM MST up reply actions  

Yes and imagine the Black Friday-like rush

to Giambi’s door if O’Dowd had declined his option! My god there’s no way we’d have ever fended off the other suitors.

by Northsider1964 on Dec 18, 2011 12:55 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah, but why bother declining an option if you want to keep a player at that rate?

Giambi provided his value in 2011, he’s at least a decent bet to repeat that in 2012. Off the field, he’s already paying dividends by helping Tulo and with the kids as well as convincing Ramon Hernandez to sign. I don’t see how you can possibly see Giambi as not earning what’s really a pittance for an MLB salary.

by Rox Girl on Dec 18, 2011 1:00 PM MST up reply actions  

The money is not the issue at all

If O’Dowd wants to pay Giambi $1 million to hang out with Tulo and some of the young players, have at it. But when 14 AL GMs can’t even shoehorn him onto their 25-man roster and every other NL GM comes to the same conclusion, my view on this doesn’t seem too wildly out of the mainstream.

Heck if money were the only issue and not roster space, I’d be all for giving Spilly the $1.6 mil or so he would have gotten in arbitration, just to float around the bleachers with Alanna and Tom Helmer.

by Northsider1964 on Dec 18, 2011 1:12 PM MST up reply actions  

I think you exaggerate Giambi's lack of market

he had other suitors last off-season, he would have had them this winter too for similar roles to what he plays with the Rockies. The Phillies have coveted him the last couple of seasons and decided to sign Thome to fill this very role (granted probably better than Giambi could at this point.)

by Rox Girl on Dec 18, 2011 1:24 PM MST up reply actions  

Actually

Giambi can play the field once a week or so, so I think he’s probably a better fit than Thome. That’s splitting hairs, of course.

by webgem14 on Dec 18, 2011 1:26 PM MST up reply actions  

even better

I can’t win

seems like the meme of PR the Rockies this offseason season

Thank goodness that season is over

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by jrockies on Dec 18, 2011 12:43 PM MST up reply actions  

Oh...

The stench of 2011 has proved to not be over yet…we have a couple weeks.

I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.

by prettyinpurple on Dec 18, 2011 2:06 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

I fear that stench will linger until ST

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 2:08 PM MST up reply actions  

Hi PIP!

Getting your greek recruitment?

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by Oldfoagie on Dec 18, 2011 2:08 PM MST up reply actions  

Hi...wut?

I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.

by prettyinpurple on Dec 18, 2011 2:15 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Any soroities knoking on your door?

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by Oldfoagie on Dec 18, 2011 2:16 PM MST up reply actions  

Oh...that.

That was 2nd week. I slammed it shut. And the food was lame.

Naw, I wanna be an RA next year.

I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.

by prettyinpurple on Dec 18, 2011 2:17 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Not that I think you are the Frat boy liking type mind you

I thought you’d want in on the networking and associations.

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by Oldfoagie on Dec 18, 2011 2:20 PM MST up reply actions  

From experience

I don’t think they help that much at Mines. Everyone fraternizes with everyone (small school).

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by jrockies on Dec 18, 2011 2:22 PM MST up reply actions  

PiP is at Mines?

Right down the street. I’m now teaching at GHS, of which Mark Melancon is an alumnus.

by jasonwrites on Dec 18, 2011 2:34 PM MST up reply actions  

Really?

We should catch a game at Woody’s some time (I live in Golden as well and graduated from Mines)

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by jrockies on Dec 18, 2011 2:35 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm always up for that

Though I currently have no idea where Woody’s is. :)

by jasonwrites on Dec 18, 2011 2:39 PM MST up reply actions  

Basically 13th and Washington

Check it out, best pizza in town by far

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by jrockies on Dec 18, 2011 2:41 PM MST up reply actions  

Aw, cool.

I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.

by prettyinpurple on Dec 18, 2011 2:37 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah- I like nerds.

In all seriosuness, I concur with jrockies- I almost know everyone. Plenty of opportunities.

I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.

by prettyinpurple on Dec 18, 2011 2:37 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

You like nerds?

Why do you hang around here so much?

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 18, 2011 2:41 PM MST up reply actions  

Heh

I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.

by prettyinpurple on Dec 18, 2011 2:45 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

I did get that fundraising letter btw

I found it humorous that baseball was marked over and softball handwritten in

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by Jeff Aberle on Dec 18, 2011 9:19 PM MST up reply actions  

Oh good!

I stuffed it with love.

But yeah, haha….that was pretty funny. I think Softball and Baseball were one of the last teams to get them out and they didn’t want to redo them.

I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.

by prettyinpurple on Dec 18, 2011 10:25 PM MST up reply actions  

Have you met Jeff's sister yet?

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by jrockies on Dec 18, 2011 10:26 PM MST up reply actions  

The 3rd base batting 2nd...acy

and 2nd base batting 8th plan is doomed for failure! Those are slots reserved for 2nd base and catcher respectively. ;-)

Seriously, I hope that Tr

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by Roxman on Dec 18, 2011 9:54 AM MST via mobile reply actions  

derp...new tabler

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by Roxman on Dec 18, 2011 9:54 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

/tablet

I hope that Tracy uses his head for something other than a place to park his hat and gives something like this a chance to work!

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by Roxman on Dec 18, 2011 9:57 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

So you are saying DOD see Niese as our Galvine to go with Pom and White as our Maddux and Smoltz?

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by Oldfoagie on Dec 18, 2011 10:08 AM MST reply actions  

I think either White or Nicasio will be our Smoltz

and the other will be our Steve Avery. Which I guess might make Chacin our Kevin Millwood, or something.

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by Jeff Aberle on Dec 18, 2011 11:09 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Seriously I think the moves for Slowey and Niese are proof that DOD wants JDLR to take his time rehabing and do it right

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by Oldfoagie on Dec 18, 2011 10:14 AM MST reply actions  

We shouldn't expect anything positive from DLR this year anyway.

He may pitch, and he may be healthy, but expecting him to return to what he was last year is foolish. We may only get 5 ERA stuff from him.

by mkorpal on Dec 18, 2011 10:18 AM MST up reply actions  

It's really hard to say where they are. Like I said, a lot of position player depth, but nobody really transformative like a Tulo or Cargo

Their pitching is somewhat suspect and about as inexperienced as the Rockies, and much like the Rockies, lacks a true staff leader without Latos. Adding Alonso doesn’t really provide that much of an upgrade over Rizzo, and while Grandal’s a better catcher prospect than they’ve had, he’s no Buster Posey. I think they’re building a pretty mediocre team overall.

by Rox Girl on Dec 18, 2011 10:31 AM MST up reply actions  

I'm actually pretty curious as to what the Blue Jays offered,

as the trade to the Reds brought a lot of decent parts back to SD, but not much help. Alonso and Boxberger in particular seem somewhat redundant to what the Padres already had, Volquez is an iffy bet (albeit one I like, and would have for the Rockies) and might wind up in the bullpen, while Grandal’s the one real prize.

What I see as the projected rotation:

Stauffer
Richard
Cook (it’s his rumored landing spot)
Volquez
and somebody else cheap

Is actually pretty ugly after those first two. They’re going to need a lot of PETCO magic to make up for that.

by Rox Girl on Dec 18, 2011 10:56 AM MST up reply actions  

They are really stacked up with 1b/3b prospects.

It’s why I thought they’d give on Headley. Would they be willing to give up Darnell i.e. for Arenando insurance?

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by Oldfoagie on Dec 18, 2011 11:06 AM MST up reply actions  

SD's 3b prospects ...

Are only prospects in the basest sense of the word.

by Traindogger on Dec 18, 2011 12:32 PM MST up reply actions  

From what I've read Grycko(?) Is as close as Arenado.

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by Oldfoagie on Dec 18, 2011 12:36 PM MST up reply actions  

Gyorko, and he's possibly their best position prospect (well I'd say 2nd now to Grandal)

Baseball America likes a few more than him, including Rizzo, but other than Rizzo they were mostly a couple of seasons away and more risky.

by Rox Girl on Dec 18, 2011 12:42 PM MST up reply actions  

Withdrawn ...

Totally forgot about Gyorko … and they have Spangenberg on the way too … I think I was thinking about the Snakes’ guys.

by Traindogger on Dec 18, 2011 12:43 PM MST up reply actions  

Also don't forget Moesley

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by Oldfoagie on Dec 18, 2011 11:07 AM MST up reply actions  

Little experienced depth after those 5

And that relies on acquiring Cook, which would, presumably, take away financial resources from improvements to other areas.

While they have a lot of could-be-good 1B (Blanks, Alonso, Rizzo, even Guzman), none of them are sure bets and all would be liabilities in LF. The only good position players are Maybin and Headley. Otherwise… meh. But they have been aggressive, so I doubt the roster will look like this on opening day.

by deacs on Dec 18, 2011 11:09 AM MST up reply actions  

Their biggest weakness matches ours. Middle infielders.

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by Oldfoagie on Dec 18, 2011 11:16 AM MST up reply actions  

ah

i knew it was one of the “L” name lefties, just couldn’t remember which

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by papality on Dec 18, 2011 11:21 AM MST up reply actions  

What is your current take on Rutledge?

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by Oldfoagie on Dec 18, 2011 11:22 AM MST up reply actions  

I have a pretty high opinion...

And it’s been reinforced by the team’s actions this winter. Doesn’t get fooled at the plate and he has a much higher upside there than Herrera. While his defense is more suspect, I think he’s got a pretty good chance of being a legitimate Freddy Sanchez type of value for the Rockies at the position.

by Rox Girl on Dec 18, 2011 11:35 AM MST up reply actions  

Agree on all points of Rutledge except his defense..

I would take his defense over Chris Nelson, Trevor Story and Hector Gomez.

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by Charlie77 on Dec 18, 2011 12:50 PM MST up reply actions  

I was wondering if I should clarify that. I meant to imply that Rutledge is more shaky on D than Herrera is or Sanchez was

at a similar stage of development, not that I think his defense is suspect overall. Quite the opposite, in fact.

by Rox Girl on Dec 18, 2011 12:53 PM MST up reply actions  

Anthony Bass?

I remember him having good stuff.

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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 18, 2011 12:13 PM MST up reply actions  

On their own, they don't look too bad, but when you compare their young pitching group to the D-backs or Rockies,

the gap looks a lot wider. Bass and Luebke just don’t equate that well with Pom/White/Chacin/Nicasio or Kennedy/Hudson/Cahill/Bauer/etc..,

by Rox Girl on Dec 18, 2011 12:17 PM MST up reply actions  

I agree.

Though throwing Wieland and Kelly in there, the gap gets a bit smaller.

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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 18, 2011 12:19 PM MST up reply actions  

Diamondbacks are the favorites at this point. They're just solid all around and added a TOR starter.

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by Jeff Aberle on Dec 18, 2011 11:10 AM MST up reply actions  

I meant less "Padres will win the West in 2012"

and more, “our division rivals took a big leap” analysis article. Especially since RG lives in Cincy and follows the Reds closely.

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by Muzia on Dec 18, 2011 11:16 AM MST up reply actions  

I think the best thing for the Rockies would be for Arenado to go all Pujols as a rookie

I’ll sign up for this plan.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 18, 2011 10:23 AM MST via mobile reply actions  

I'm alright with this.

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 18, 2011 10:31 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

.329/.403/.610

Yeah, I could live with that.

by mkorpal on Dec 18, 2011 10:47 AM MST up reply actions  

Sounds great to me

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by jrockies on Dec 18, 2011 12:52 PM MST up reply actions  

I thought it would be more about anoiting Hoyer and Villafying Jocketty

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by Oldfoagie on Dec 18, 2011 10:24 AM MST reply actions  

reply fail to Muzia

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by Oldfoagie on Dec 18, 2011 10:24 AM MST up reply actions  

Hoyer would be quite the wizard

To push top prospects out from a division rival to a team he has nothing to do with :)

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 18, 2011 10:26 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Sorry. The whole AZ,SD,CHC, Boston merry go round has made me dizzy.

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Its been awhile

Since I’ve posted how much I love The Row.

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by jlot10 on Dec 18, 2011 10:42 AM MST via mobile reply actions   1 recs

It's interesting how you have 3 Modesto High-A players listed as MLB-ready (Arenado, Rutledge, Matthes)..

It shows how good the Modesto team was last year and why Weinstein was promoted. It also shows how Modesto is more of our AA team and Tulsa a AAA team.

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by Charlie77 on Dec 18, 2011 11:26 AM MST reply actions  

I hope he starts in Tulsa..

unless he is tearing the cover off the ball in Spring Training, I think the Rockies and him would benefit from a June callup.

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by Charlie77 on Dec 18, 2011 12:43 PM MST up reply actions  

While I think this is still most likely, it really depends on where he is in March.

There’s a very real possibility that it could hurt both the player and the Rockies to have him spending time in Tulsa rather than the MLB.

by Rox Girl on Dec 18, 2011 12:50 PM MST up reply actions  

Is Rutledge as close if he has a monster ST?

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by Oldfoagie on Dec 18, 2011 12:52 PM MST up reply actions  

I actually don't think it's as likely for Rutledge, although still possible.

What makes it a more real possibility with Arenado to me is the rapid speed of growth he’s undergone to get to this point combined with his age. Arenado shows more signs of being a prodigal type of talent that will learn and grow quickly wherever he’s placed.

by Rox Girl on Dec 18, 2011 12:57 PM MST up reply actions  

He's probably on a faster timeline than Thomas Field was..

at least where he was this time last year. I bet Rutledge is at least in line for a September callup.

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by Charlie77 on Dec 18, 2011 1:05 PM MST up reply actions  

You SHUT YOUR PIE HOLE MISTER!

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 1:12 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm going to hide my head in shame.

I tried to flag my comment, but the actions link just disappeared when I clicked on it.

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by Charlie77 on Dec 18, 2011 1:15 PM MST up reply actions  

You can hide it, but RIRF will sniff it out

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 1:17 PM MST up reply actions  

Shall I flag it on your behalf?

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 1:17 PM MST up reply actions  

Yes!

and let’s start a rage war on Manningham vs Cuddyer to distract everyone.

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by Charlie77 on Dec 18, 2011 1:20 PM MST up reply actions  

Whose Manningham?

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 1:20 PM MST up reply actions  

HAWT

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 1:21 PM MST up reply actions  

I don't know. I think you deserve

some public humiliation for such a comment.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 1:21 PM MST up reply actions  

I'd hate to see what you'd do with the shotgun and a black cat

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by Oldfoagie on Dec 18, 2011 1:13 PM MST up reply actions  

Let's not forget a ladder

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 1:17 PM MST up reply actions  

with a bucket full of whatever you choose

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by Oldfoagie on Dec 18, 2011 1:18 PM MST up reply actions  

And a voodoo doll

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 1:19 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm reccing just for use of "poophead"

it’s very 9 years old. I approve

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 1:21 PM MST up reply actions  

D:<

I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.

by prettyinpurple on Dec 18, 2011 2:14 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

So I take it you think you're better than me

I tempted fate and 1 week later, Tulo broke his wrist.

Think you’re gonna get away with this?

HA

Fate laughs as well.

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by Andrew Martin on Dec 18, 2011 3:36 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm going to kiss a pretty girl..

On January 1, 2012 and forget this year ever happened. I hope.

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by Charlie77 on Dec 18, 2011 5:44 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Personally, I'm fine with just forgetting 2011 ever happened

The pretty girl would just be a bonus.

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by free7694 on Dec 18, 2011 5:52 PM MST up reply actions  

2011 started with me kissing a pretty girl

not sure how to feel about htat.

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by Andrew Martin on Dec 18, 2011 9:30 PM MST up reply actions  

I would argue this with you..

but then I compared his MiLB service time to Tulo’s and realized for his talent, he’s spent plenty of time on the farm:
Tulo
YR……..AGE…..TEAM……PA
2005……20….Modesto…..105
2006…..21….Tulsa……..485

Arenado
YR……..AGE…..TEAM……PA
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by Charlie77 on Dec 18, 2011 1:00 PM MST up reply actions  

The key is Tulsa

I’d feel better if Nolan gets 200 PA’s there before being called to the show.

by webgem14 on Dec 18, 2011 1:25 PM MST up reply actions  

I don't see the point of giving a player that's MLB ready 200 AA PA's to make fans or the team "feel better"

If he’s ready to face MLB pitching, it should show in ST, and it seems to be pointing to that already. If he’s not, then yeah, send him to AA.

by Rox Girl on Dec 18, 2011 1:27 PM MST up reply actions  

I’d have him start in Tulsa just to hold back his clock. All of the talk about his awesomeness, his growth curve, his readiness just reinforces that for me.

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by Resolution on Dec 18, 2011 1:31 PM MST up reply actions  

I'd really expect the Rockies to sign Arenado to a contract

if he shows the ability to stick at the MLB level in 2012. I don’t want overrate him but the bat could be that good where the Rockies feel he’s a Tulo/CarGo piece to this team.

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by MattBerger on Dec 18, 2011 1:34 PM MST up reply actions  

we're not the rays

and he’s got scott boras as his agent, so that’s almost guaranteed not to happen

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by papality on Dec 18, 2011 1:38 PM MST up reply actions  

Two years from now

I think they can discuss this

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by jrockies on Dec 18, 2011 1:41 PM MST up reply actions  

If Rockies fans are worried about Arenado's arbitration clock, they're paying attention to the wrong clock.

The most important one for the team right now is the one that’s ticking for the peak of Tulo and Cargo. Why I’m in favor of having Arenado in the MLB as soon as he’s ready for MLB pitching is to maximize his production during the peak of the Rockies two superstars. If Arenado’s going to take an MLB season to develop before he’s really contributing to Tulo and Cargo’s peak, then I’d rather have that development year sooner than later. They can worry about signing him to an extension later, but that should be a secondary consideration.

by Rox Girl on Dec 18, 2011 1:37 PM MST up reply actions  

I’m not sure the extra 2 months of development time at the MLB really outweighs the contract issues – especially considering the time at AA where he’s never played is also valuable development time..

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by Resolution on Dec 18, 2011 1:39 PM MST up reply actions  

How valuable of development time?

How do you know it’s more valuable for Arenado to develop against weaker AA pitchers than it would be for him to develop against actual MLB pitchers?

by Rox Girl on Dec 18, 2011 1:41 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm not against giving him a cup of Coffee and giving him a taste against MLB pitching,

A series against the Giants would tell a lot.

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by Oldfoagie on Dec 18, 2011 1:44 PM MST up reply actions  

never said it was more valuable but considering he’s only played A ball and the truncated AFL, I’m sure there’s something of a learning curve going to AA – it certainly wouldn’t be value-less.

Just regarding your initial point of getting him MLB ready as quickly as possible to thrive during the core years of Tulo and CarGo – I don’t believe holding him out of the MLB for two months would really have much of an adverse impact on his development. He’d still get about 4 months of MLB development time this season and will hopefully be pretty much all systems go in 2013 under either scenario.

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by Resolution on Dec 18, 2011 1:57 PM MST up reply actions  

He'd only get two and a half months in 2012 in your scenario for avoiding Super-2 status.

And while it’s possible that he’d be fully ready for 2013 with just that as a tutoring period, I’d be more doubtful of it than if he had all of 2012. If 2013 is the Rockies goal to really get back in this thing, I really think they have to give Arenado as much a taste for the MLB in 2012 as possible.

by Rox Girl on Dec 18, 2011 2:10 PM MST up reply actions  

The GM would never say otherwise, and the players probably believe it,

but the personnel moves all indicate a one year out forward thinking approach. I think they’re actually gearing up for a potential late 2012 run and probably hoping they stay close early, but not looking for even a stopgap 3B besides Arenado is probably the largest tell that the team sees this upcoming season as a developmental one. It makes much more sense to trade Smith, Stewart, Street and Iannetta for younger players too, if this is the case, as all would still be fairly close to their peaks in 2012.

by Rox Girl on Dec 18, 2011 2:18 PM MST up reply actions  

It also gives

the Rockies a shot to see what Arenado has, and if he completely flops (which I wouldn’t expect) they could go out next year and sign/trade for another third baseman rather than hang hopes on him developing during the year in which they are planning on winning 100%.

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by jrockies on Dec 18, 2011 2:24 PM MST up reply actions  

The cup of Coffee to see where he stands.

What he needs to work on if at all.

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by Oldfoagie on Dec 18, 2011 2:27 PM MST up reply actions  

There’s also been no mention of him making the team and then being in over his head. Maybe the best scenario would be for him to make the team out of spring, and if he struggles send him to AA for a couple of months and then bring him back up.

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by Resolution on Dec 18, 2011 2:19 PM MST up reply actions  

I think this seems to be where the Rockies are too,

given that Arenado seems the best fit as the team’s Plan A for 3B at the moment. They have Wood and DJLM as back-up possibilities.

by Rox Girl on Dec 18, 2011 2:22 PM MST up reply actions  

RG, can you clarify something for me

The basic premise of your argument is that the experience Arenado gets in 2012 – whether it’s a contending season or not – is more important in terms of the next 5 years of the Rockies than any service clock issues, which themselves may be less important than before because of the change in super 2 qualification. Is that right?

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by biondino on Dec 18, 2011 2:44 PM MST up reply actions  

Basically...

The balance of overall value to the Rockies franchise shifts in favor of calling Arenado up by Opening Day if that experience adds more to his MLB value in subsequent seasons than AA experience would.

by Rox Girl on Dec 18, 2011 2:58 PM MST up reply actions  

exactly

isn’t the leap from A to AA supposed to be the toughest to make?

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by papality on Dec 18, 2011 1:41 PM MST up reply actions  

It wasn't tough for Starlin Castro, it wasn't tough for Pablo Sandoval

I would not be arguing this approach for any player, but Arenado’s already showing himself to be somewhat exceptional. Again, I don’t think it’s likely that the Rockies go down this route, but if there’s a player in the system that it would be possible with, and possibly a good thing for both player and team, he’s it.

by Rox Girl on Dec 18, 2011 1:46 PM MST up reply actions  

btw, the expansion of the Super 2 group with the new CBA

means the Rockies would probably have to wait until the All-Star break to call him up, it’s an extra 3 months if your intent is to avoid that, a full 5 months until September if your intent is for the Rockies to have the guarantee of keeping him until 2018 rather than 2017

by Rox Girl on Dec 18, 2011 1:55 PM MST up reply actions  

I just can't see holding a MLB-ready player back

to plan for the 2018 season. This team needs to learn how to win now, and if Arenado’s the best 3B we’ve got coming out of ST, then he needs to play in the Majors in 2012. A lot can, and probably will, happen between now & 2018. Go for the wins now.

Having Arenado learn the ropes the big leagues in 2012 might just as easily make as big a difference in 2013 as it would in 2018.

I can’t believe fans would clamor for keeping a young star in the minors to hold back his free agent clock. It’s usually the other way around.

by maris61 on Dec 18, 2011 2:09 PM MST up reply actions  

Also, two out of the last 3 MVPs of the AFL made a impact at the MLB level the next season

Ackley and Hanson were awesome the season after they won the award, and Desme had the potential to do the same, except he went into priesthood.

I wouldn’t complain if Arenado got AA time, but if the Rockies feel he can make an impact immediately, then I say they should go for it.

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by MattBerger on Dec 18, 2011 1:41 PM MST up reply actions  

Some prospect analysts feel its necessary anyways, even if the bats ready, it really depends on the team

You can bet that if the Rays had the situation the Rockies had at 3rd base, it would be a surprise to see Arenado up for a September callup in 2012. Starting Arenado off in 2012 would really be a huge change in developmental philosophy for the Rockies.

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by MattBerger on Dec 18, 2011 1:32 PM MST up reply actions  

The Rays had EXACTLY the Rockies situation

in 2008 — a young 3B who looked like he might be a superstar & Major League ready despite limited minor league experience. The team had never come close to winning a division & many said the young 3B wouldn’t make enough of difference to justify brining him up early.

The vets on the team all said he was ready. The front office sent him down to AAA after ST to postpone his free agent clock start. The vets and fans didn’t like it & were quite vocal.

They called him back up in less than a month. He won ROY and the Rays shocked everyone by winning the division. They promptly signed
Longoria to a longterm, arb-buyout deal.

by maris61 on Dec 18, 2011 2:16 PM MST up reply actions  

"exactly" is a bit of stretch

considering longoria had spent 2007 scorching AA and AAA, rather than A+ and the AFL

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by papality on Dec 18, 2011 2:18 PM MST up reply actions  

Counterpoints

Arenado has spent 3 yrs in the minors compared to Longoria’s 2. (Longroia jumped 3 levels in a year.

He has about 300 more minor league AB’s than Longoria had going into 2008.

When you’re ready, you’re ready. Maybe Arenado is, maybe not. ST will tell us a lot.

It also matters if a big prospect’steam has anyone else competent to play his position,defensively and offensively. The Rox really don’t. Cuddyyer’s no 3B except on a fill-in basis. Pacheco, either. LeMahieu has almost zero power — not what you want in a 3B The position is wide open, and the Rockies (management and teammates) know it. Fill it with the best player available at the end of ST.

by maris61 on Dec 18, 2011 2:32 PM MST up reply actions  

Counterpoint

Longoria also spent a few seasons at Long Beach State before being drafted and spending two years in the minors

Now had you used Bryce Harper as an example I would have believed it.

/I agree with most of what you have though

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by jrockies on Dec 18, 2011 2:34 PM MST up reply actions  

Jordan Pacheco comes to mind

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by jrockies on Dec 18, 2011 1:33 PM MST up reply actions  

exactly what i was thinking

feasting off rusty pitchers does not mean he’s ready for the show full-time

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by papality on Dec 18, 2011 1:33 PM MST up reply actions  

Big difference

He obviously wasn’t ready to play catcher fulltime, or almost fulltime.

Arenado may or may not be ready defensively, but if he’s close, there’s not exacly a lot of real competition at 3B.

Sticking a still-developing prospect at 3B is a lot different than putting one at catcher.

by maris61 on Dec 18, 2011 2:19 PM MST up reply actions  

I agree

but they weren’t looking for him to be a full-time starter just a utility guy. They did send him to AAA and he didn’t play very well.

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by jrockies on Dec 18, 2011 2:26 PM MST up reply actions  

It wouldn't just be that, though...

The Rockies have the AFL and his season in the CAL to also evaluate where his bat is compared to others.

by Rox Girl on Dec 18, 2011 1:34 PM MST up reply actions  

AFL, extreme hitter's league, small sample.

CAL, another hitter’s league. Admittedly Modesto is a bad park for RH power, and his performance was excellent given his age.

I love Arenado as a prospect…I’m just not convinced that he’s MLB ready.

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by Jeff Aberle on Dec 18, 2011 1:55 PM MST up reply actions  

based on what? Statistics? When the stats will have a sufficient sample to show that Arenado's "ready," it will already be a few weeks

or even months after he actually is ready. They are trailing indicators of this. It will have to be a scouting or coaching decision, but the stats are telling me that it’s possible for him to be.

by Rox Girl on Dec 18, 2011 1:58 PM MST up reply actions  

Anyone who's seen Arenado in person can tell he's ready, except KL..

I like your point about a late 2012 run. This team needs starting pitching to develop and it won’t be ready until its later in the season and JDLR is in the rotation. By then either Bettis, Friedrich, Edwar or someone else will be contributing. If Nolan has seasoned enough he could be a major contributor in the Rockies run.

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by Charlie77 on Dec 18, 2011 5:55 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Mostly it's the lack of elite pitchers he's faced.

I’d like to see what he can do against AA pitching, but I’ll be thrilled if he adjusts right to MLB pitching this spring.

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by Jeff Aberle on Dec 18, 2011 9:23 PM MST up reply actions  

As long as he's starting the games

he will get that chance, I don’t want to see him as a late inning replacement this spring because that won’t help his case much. I also don’t think the FO would do anything other than let him hit against the regulars.

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by jrockies on Dec 18, 2011 9:25 PM MST up reply actions  

That's actually where I'm at.

I do expect him to start in AA, but I’m open to the strong possibility that he won’t have to.

by Rox Girl on Dec 19, 2011 6:08 AM MST up reply actions  

Can we sign Micah Owings yet?

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by biondino on Dec 18, 2011 12:32 PM MST reply actions  

Didn't see this posted before on Cuddyer

But it pretty much sums up my thoughts on that dead horse topic:

http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/19335/michael-cuddyer-hardly-the-fix-for-rockies

High(low)lights:

The bigger issues:

(1) What is the value of the positional flexibility? Cuddyer isn’t a particularly adept fielder at any position. He hasn’t played much third base since 2005 — even though the Twins haven’t had a good third baseman since. In other words, the Twins clearly didn’t think he could play there. He played 17 games at second base in 2011, which I think is more symbolic of what happened to the Twins than a sign of positional flexibility. Really, Cuddyer is a right fielder with a good arm but limited range. He’ll also be 33 … which means that range isn’t going to improve.

(2) He has a fairly sizable platoon split. His career OPS is 100 points higher against left-handers but even more pronounced the past three seasons: 210 points higher in 2009, 175 in 2010, 265 in 2011. Of course, his overall numbers should increase at Coors Field, but there’s nothing special about a right fielder with a .343 career on-base percentage. And again, we’ll see how he ages into his mid-30s.

I don’t think it’s a terrible signing, especially if the Rockies can flip Smith for some value. But it’s hardly an impact move. The Rockies still are a team with holes at second base and third base, without a proven 200-inning starter (Jhoulys Chacin did throw 194 innings last season) and counting on a 38-year-old first baseman with a bad back to remain healthy.

by Traindogger on Dec 18, 2011 12:52 PM MST reply actions  

Disagree with that last sentence

We have a 42-yr-old understudy ready if our 38-yr-old 1B goes down.

by maris61 on Dec 18, 2011 2:22 PM MST up reply actions  

I commented a couple of times on that blog

Since comments get buried so quickly here… He’s a good signing, just not worth 8 digits a year.
Also, I can’t stop laughing that RG (who I wholeheartedly respect) alluded to Ian Stewart’s “tremendous potential” earlier this week.

by jasonwrites on Dec 18, 2011 2:28 PM MST up reply actions  

2011

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by jrockies on Dec 18, 2011 2:30 PM MST up reply actions  

exactly

I find it most comparable to speaking of a young surgeon’s “tremendous potential” after he’s saved one patient and killed ten.

by jasonwrites on Dec 18, 2011 2:36 PM MST up reply actions  

A couple of people seem to have missed my sarcasm with that paragraph you allude to.

Not that I don’t think Stewart has potential, but let’s just say, I’m not seeing that trade the same as Baseball Prospectus did.

by Rox Girl on Dec 18, 2011 2:31 PM MST up reply actions  

There's something that feels homey about posting on a Row thread on a Sunday afternoon

Except that unlike most of 2011, the Rockies are guaranteed not to lose today!

Has anyone else commented that there are now two pre-eminent professional athletes in Denver with the initials TT? And they represent opposite poles of the clutch spectrum?

by jasonwrites on Dec 18, 2011 2:43 PM MST reply actions  

Troy Tulowitski and ?????

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 18, 2011 2:45 PM MST up reply actions  

If you cannot spell Tulowitzki correctly.....well then I just don't know what to say

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 2:45 PM MST up reply actions  

Those are the two guys.

Troy Tulowitzki and Troy Tulowitski

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 18, 2011 2:46 PM MST up reply actions  

Only on his bobblehead

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 2:47 PM MST up reply actions  

This feels like MUZIA'S sig

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My current sig is already superior.

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by Muzia on Dec 18, 2011 2:55 PM MST up reply actions  

At least it's not all days

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by jrockies on Dec 18, 2011 2:59 PM MST up reply actions  

Seriously

Though I admit I had to Google to get the spelling of “Melancon” correct above.

by jasonwrites on Dec 18, 2011 2:47 PM MST up reply actions  

That would be TTT

I don’t know who TT is

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by jrockies on Dec 18, 2011 2:48 PM MST up reply actions  

/gets popcorn

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 2:46 PM MST up reply actions  

I was thinking ice cream

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by jrockies on Dec 18, 2011 2:49 PM MST up reply actions  

More like beer and Nachos

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by Oldfoagie on Dec 18, 2011 2:50 PM MST up reply actions  

Hey that's what I'm having right now!

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 2:52 PM MST up reply actions  

Bread and cheese.

I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.

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Bread and water.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 18, 2011 2:53 PM MST up reply actions  

I actually had hot dogs for lunch

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by jrockies on Dec 18, 2011 2:53 PM MST up reply actions  

That was me yesterday.

After ice skating downtown, I felt like eating a footlong. We got Nathan’s instead.

Now I’m snacking- I had wings at Broncos party.

I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.

by prettyinpurple on Dec 18, 2011 3:00 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Beer, nachos and ice cream for desert?

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by jrockies on Dec 18, 2011 2:53 PM MST up reply actions  

I apologize

I haven’t been around lately, so if there’s a moratorium on alluding to players on other pro teams in town, especially relatively obscure quarterbacks, then my bad.

by jasonwrites on Dec 18, 2011 2:50 PM MST up reply actions  

I just make joke about the handegg.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 18, 2011 2:51 PM MST up reply actions  

Nope. Nothing like that.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 2:52 PM MST up reply actions  

Well I learned long ago

to strive not to offend your sensibilities Cat :)

by jasonwrites on Dec 18, 2011 2:53 PM MST up reply actions  

My sensibilities? HUH?

I don’t care about Tebow…lol

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 2:55 PM MST up reply actions  

Oooookay.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 2:58 PM MST up reply actions  

Awesome.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 2:58 PM MST up reply actions  

Speaking of which...

What are youmaking me for supper cat? It’s your turn. I made Spicy Mango Guave salad last time with a Chiken Marsala and Tullamore Dew.

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by Oldfoagie on Dec 18, 2011 2:55 PM MST up reply actions  

Uh....uh...steak? And sweet potatoes?

Broccoli and salad?

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 2:56 PM MST up reply actions  

(has empty fridge due to trip to Denver next week)

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 2:57 PM MST up reply actions  

Do you like a Port of prefer Merlot?

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by Oldfoagie on Dec 18, 2011 2:58 PM MST up reply actions  

Neither. Make it Petite Syrah :)

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 2:59 PM MST up reply actions  

It just looked like you were going heart healty there and the Port and Merlot are the best for that

What are you doing next thursday?

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by Oldfoagie on Dec 18, 2011 3:01 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah but they are just too blech for me

Flying to Denver on Wednesday and then shop til I drop

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 3:03 PM MST up reply actions  

Meet you in Cherry creek?

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by Oldfoagie on Dec 18, 2011 3:04 PM MST up reply actions  

Not sure because I'll probably be with my Mom

shopping all depends on my Mom really.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 3:05 PM MST up reply actions  

I'd like to meet her too. How's she doing?

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by Oldfoagie on Dec 18, 2011 3:06 PM MST up reply actions  

From all I know motoring along. :)

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 3:07 PM MST up reply actions  

Excellent.

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by Oldfoagie on Dec 18, 2011 3:03 PM MST up reply actions  

What is a Smoking Bishop

(too lazy to GoogleThatForMyself)

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 3:04 PM MST up reply actions  

It's a type of mulled wine

You basically roast some oranges, and then put them with a bottle of port (preferably) into a pot or slow cooker with some cloves and cinammon sticks.

by Rox Girl on Dec 18, 2011 3:08 PM MST up reply actions  

Now that sounds tasty

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 3:10 PM MST up reply actions  

Believe me it is.

A perfect addition to a Chataue Birgnon

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by Oldfoagie on Dec 18, 2011 3:12 PM MST up reply actions  

there is no quarterback in this town with the initials TT

now if you want to talk about fullbacks, running backs, tight ends, safeties, or the like, we might have something

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by papality on Dec 18, 2011 2:53 PM MST up reply actions  

BOOM roasted

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 2:55 PM MST up reply actions  

I'd like to see more of Brady Quinn

Only because he essentially shares my last name, which is of course a completely valid reason to endorse a player.

by jasonwrites on Dec 18, 2011 2:59 PM MST up reply actions  

Essentially?

Only one n?

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 18, 2011 3:00 PM MST up reply actions  

no...

another letter and a special character in front.

by jasonwrites on Dec 18, 2011 3:01 PM MST up reply actions  

Quinine?

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by Muzia on Dec 18, 2011 3:02 PM MST up reply actions  

/snrot

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 3:04 PM MST up reply actions  

LOL /snort

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 3:04 PM MST up reply actions  

hehehehehe

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 3:08 PM MST up reply actions  

Quinto?

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 3:04 PM MST up reply actions  

In front... geesh

that means before the Quinn. :D

by jasonwrites on Dec 18, 2011 3:07 PM MST up reply actions  

These days that is about right!

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 3:08 PM MST up reply actions  

Well you know me and my sensibilities and stuff

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 3:08 PM MST up reply actions  

Oy vey

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 3:12 PM MST up reply actions  

OT: Downton Abbey/biondino

I finished Series 2 last night. The final episode redeemed most of the silliness that was Series 2. I’m looking forward to the Christmas Special, though I don’t know when we’ll get it here in the States.

Hopefully Lord Julian gets his act together for Series 3.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 18, 2011 2:49 PM MST reply actions  

I hope you get the Xmas special soon. It is set at Xmas so it'd be odd to show it at a different time of year.

I would suggest you look for, perhaps, other ways of sourcing it once it’s been broadcast over here. It’s really worth it.

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by biondino on Dec 18, 2011 2:57 PM MST up reply actions  

Did you get to the premiere or whatever?

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 18, 2011 2:58 PM MST up reply actions  

I did! And the party afterwards.

I didn’t hobnob with stars, exactly – a novelist/tv presenter, an author’s wife and the woman who organises the council permits for red carpets is about the best of it. But the screening itself – all two hours of it – was awesome.

If I can find a way of sourcing a DVD after it’s transmitted – unlikely as I’ve no real excuse to ask for one, but you never know – I’ll send it over!

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by biondino on Dec 18, 2011 3:02 PM MST up reply actions  

I have my friend.

But I’m not sure if prevailing upon him to jump through the hoops he needs to jump through to send me the Xmas special is worth it. There are probably other methods but… meh.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 18, 2011 2:59 PM MST up reply actions  

OT: Proposition

Does anyone in Golden/Denver/Surrounding area (close by that is) want to have a catch before the sun goes down today?

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by jrockies on Dec 18, 2011 3:15 PM MST reply actions  

Aww. That was so "Field of Dreams"!

I feel a little verklempt now ….

Someone have a catch with jrockies so I don’t have to cry okay?

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 3:18 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm downtown and bus bound.

By the time I’d get there it’d be after dark

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by Oldfoagie on Dec 18, 2011 3:19 PM MST up reply actions  

That's how I always ask

Or at least for the last 6 years since I stopped playing on a team

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by jrockies on Dec 18, 2011 3:20 PM MST up reply actions  

Awrrrwwwww

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 3:21 PM MST up reply actions  

Wish I'd seen this sooner

But I’ll totally take a raincheck!

by jasonwrites on Dec 18, 2011 4:20 PM MST up reply actions  

Check written

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by jrockies on Dec 18, 2011 4:37 PM MST up reply actions  

I must be missing something with Niese

I admittedly have no knowledge of this player but i see a 25 with a career 4.00 ERA. Not bad, but not worth trading Rosario. Is he better than that? And would we prefer him or Volquez?

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by jlbroxfan on Dec 18, 2011 3:17 PM MST reply actions  

Funny you bring this up.

I just watched a lot of video on Niese.

We’d definitely prefer Niese than Volquez. And I’d be willing to give up Rosario (along with some other prospects, if need be) to get Niese.

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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 18, 2011 3:19 PM MST up reply actions  

Value wise who is he comparable to?

Latos? Jimenez? Cahill? Chacin? Davis? or more like Guthrie

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by jlbroxfan on Dec 18, 2011 3:27 PM MST up reply actions  

None of those guys.

Latos/Jimenez/Cahill are TOR guys. Davis/Guthrie BOR guys.

The closest comparison here is Chacin.

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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 18, 2011 3:28 PM MST up reply actions  

I'd say kinda like Davis Stuff wise

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by Oldfoagie on Dec 18, 2011 3:28 PM MST up reply actions  

I was

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by Oldfoagie on Dec 18, 2011 3:35 PM MST up reply actions  

I was going to sat when he's on his command is better

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by Oldfoagie on Dec 18, 2011 3:56 PM MST up reply actions  

Wonder how much fun you have with a snoot full?

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by Oldfoagie on Dec 18, 2011 3:36 PM MST up reply actions  

okay, i was gonna say

wade davis was never a solid mid-rotation pitcher

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by papality on Dec 18, 2011 3:37 PM MST up reply actions  

And if Niese only become Doug Davis

That wouldn’t be worth Rosario.

But I think he’s got a much higher ceiling.

by Adam2011 on Dec 18, 2011 4:00 PM MST up reply actions  

And a lower floor.

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by Oldfoagie on Dec 18, 2011 4:01 PM MST up reply actions  

Not by much, imo

I think he’s already close and only held back because of his 2nd half declines.

by Adam2011 on Dec 18, 2011 5:06 PM MST up reply actions  

Davis was a 4+ win pitcher during his prime seasons,

I don’t know why Niese wouldn’t be worth Rosario if we knew we could expect two 4 win seasons and a couple of 2+ win seasons out of him in his cost controlled years.

by Rox Girl on Dec 18, 2011 4:12 PM MST up reply actions  

+lefty!

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by Oldfoagie on Dec 18, 2011 4:14 PM MST up reply actions  

Maybe he's saying it would be worth more?

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by jrockies on Dec 18, 2011 4:38 PM MST up reply actions  

When he's on he's very satisfying to watch...

It always seems he’s getting nicked/ hurt just when he’s getting on a big roll.

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by Oldfoagie on Dec 18, 2011 3:22 PM MST up reply actions  

Hm. Interesting note.

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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 18, 2011 3:40 PM MST reply actions  

As a back-up plan to our back-up plan he makes a lot of sense.

It would seem the Rockies would still prefer Arenado or even Wood to take the reins if they signed Mora, though, so I could understand why he’d be holding off reciprocating the interest right now. I’m guessing it’s a minor league contract NRI situation.

by Rox Girl on Dec 18, 2011 3:46 PM MST up reply actions  

I could see Mel as a AAAA player/coach

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by Oldfoagie on Dec 18, 2011 3:49 PM MST up reply actions  

no thanks

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 19, 2011 7:26 AM MST up reply actions  

OT: Broncos self destructing :(

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 3:55 PM MST reply actions  

FYP

Broncos self destructing :( Patriots winning :D

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by papality on Dec 18, 2011 3:56 PM MST up reply actions  

Shut up you :P

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 3:58 PM MST up reply actions  

Except for the whole Broncos fumbling 3 times you are correct

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 3:58 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Wait, you're a Patriots and Yankees fan in Colorado?

I call bandwagon jumper.

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by free7694 on Dec 18, 2011 4:56 PM MST up reply actions  

ah, in that case

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by free7694 on Dec 18, 2011 5:00 PM MST up reply actions  

Welcome to big boy football, Timmy Tim.

(Broncos against playoff teams in Tebow era: 0-2, outscored 83-33. At home.)

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by Franchise26 on Dec 18, 2011 5:46 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

The Broncos' defense has given up an average of 40+ points in the team's last two losses

Clearly, that is the fault of the quarterback.

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by free7694 on Dec 18, 2011 10:01 PM MST up reply actions  

Axes do not hone themselves.

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by Paleface Destro on Dec 18, 2011 10:13 PM MST up reply actions  

Dude, God was busy with the Kim Illy and stuff

I’m no Broncos fan, but they have been amusing the last few weeks, and my daughter seems to have become quite the Donk fan, so our TV will feature their games for years to come, I’m sure.

I also have no issue with biases (I hate the Eagles and Cowboys with the fire of 1000 suns), but I prefer when people acknowledge them.

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by Paleface Destro on Dec 18, 2011 10:25 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

(and yes, the Jesusback has a long way to go, though he seems to be slowly improving...)

Sorry…I should stop. This isn’t a football site…

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by Paleface Destro on Dec 18, 2011 10:27 PM MST up reply actions  

haha

jesusback… nice

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by papality on Dec 18, 2011 11:31 PM MST up reply actions  

Hey man, I'm a Vikings fan

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by free7694 on Dec 18, 2011 10:37 PM MST up reply actions  

I will rec'd this for the use of DONK.

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 18, 2011 11:08 PM MST up reply actions  

Hehehehe

Nope they actually had a lead and scored two TDs!

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 3:57 PM MST up reply actions  

and missed on PAT :(

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 3:58 PM MST up reply actions  

Green Bay lost though

GO KC

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by jrockies on Dec 18, 2011 3:59 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

THIS and REC'D

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 18, 2011 5:30 PM MST up reply actions  

Question:

Would you rather have Endy Chavez at 1 yr/$1.5M, Cody Ross at 2 yr/$12M, or Cuddyer at 3 yr/$31.5M?

by deacs on Dec 18, 2011 4:57 PM MST reply actions  

Let's see here...

I don’t want Chavez at any price, $6M/yr is about double what I’d want to pay for Ross, so I’ll take Cuddyer.

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by free7694 on Dec 18, 2011 5:01 PM MST up reply actions  

GAME CHANGER

Wil Nieves is a Rockie.

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by jlbroxfan on Dec 18, 2011 5:35 PM MST reply actions  

OBVIOUSLY a Pecursor to the Rosario trade

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by jrockies on Dec 18, 2011 5:37 PM MST up reply actions  

Dont shoot me but

Who is Wil Nieves?

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 18, 2011 5:42 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure he was on the Nationals last year

He’s a catcher

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by free7694 on Dec 18, 2011 5:43 PM MST up reply actions  

catching depth.

Something you can never have enough of come Spring Training.

by Rox Girl on Dec 18, 2011 6:13 PM MST up reply actions  

Yep

he would only be around for ST, unless the team decides Rosario isn’t ready in which case I could see him as a backup, but only that. 1 start per week.

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by jrockies on Dec 18, 2011 6:41 PM MST up reply actions  

I would think Wilkin Castillo's ahead of Nieves on the depth chart right now,

But without having a good scouting report of either catcher’s defense, I could be mistaken.

by Rox Girl on Dec 18, 2011 6:49 PM MST up reply actions  

Tremendous

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 8:02 PM MST up reply actions  

Awesome awesome awesome.

Sounds like my wife. She doesn’t like the fact that I do fantasy baseball. Funny thing of it is, She did 2 years ago and was whooping everyone for awhile.

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 18, 2011 8:08 PM MST up reply actions  

Wow

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by jrockies on Dec 18, 2011 8:26 PM MST up reply actions  

Wow. That's kind of unexpected no? I mean he's only 69

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 8:12 PM MST up reply actions  

Chicka bow wow

for the number.

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 18, 2011 8:13 PM MST up reply actions  

Really? Oy....

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 8:14 PM MST up reply actions  

I hate to see anyone die.

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 18, 2011 8:15 PM MST up reply actions  

I wouldn't go that far...

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by Muzia on Dec 18, 2011 8:16 PM MST up reply actions  

I mean he was kind of a pain in the butt

but still.

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 18, 2011 8:17 PM MST up reply actions  

there really are a few people in the world that it's better off not having.

Kim Jong Il fell into that category. No remorse whatsoever about this news for me.

by Rox Girl on Dec 18, 2011 8:30 PM MST up reply actions  

Sure does make me wonder what's next for North Korea

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 8:32 PM MST up reply actions  

Famine?

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by Muzia on Dec 18, 2011 8:33 PM MST up reply actions  

Well I mean we joke about it

but it does have the potential to be kind of a big deal depending on who ascends. I assume it will be his son

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 8:33 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah, I just flipped over to CNN.

His son is supposedly in line, but they wonder if others (like military leaders or whoever) might try to take over. Apparently nobody really knows anything about his son.

by holly96 on Dec 18, 2011 8:35 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah seems like this could be very destabilizing either for the good or bad in the region

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 8:36 PM MST up reply actions  

His son's really not likely to hold power for long.

Their military’s too powerful at this point, and he doesn’t have the cult of personality his father does.

by Rox Girl on Dec 18, 2011 8:37 PM MST up reply actions  

The same thing was said to some degree about KJIL...so yeah, should be interesting.

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by Paleface Destro on Dec 18, 2011 8:39 PM MST up reply actions  

Hey, at least he’s a Tony Kukoc fan!

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by Muzia on Dec 18, 2011 8:47 PM MST up reply actions  

What's Croatian for, "Gee, um...thanks??"

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by Paleface Destro on Dec 18, 2011 8:49 PM MST up reply actions  

Oh, I was being serious.

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by Muzia on Dec 18, 2011 8:35 PM MST up reply actions  

I know you were, I was just saying in general

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 8:36 PM MST up reply actions  

So...situation normal?

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by Paleface Destro on Dec 18, 2011 8:36 PM MST up reply actions  

He needed to be stone dead years ago

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by Paleface Destro on Dec 18, 2011 8:32 PM MST up reply actions  

Who the hell are you?

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 8:32 PM MST up reply actions  

You're the third person who has asked me that today

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by Paleface Destro on Dec 18, 2011 8:33 PM MST up reply actions  

(give or take approximately two)

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by Paleface Destro on Dec 18, 2011 8:34 PM MST up reply actions  

a relic of ages past

the likes of which has not been seen on this board since the times of out grandfathers

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by papality on Dec 18, 2011 8:34 PM MST up reply actions  

GET OFF MY LAWN

Oh, wait…it’s brown, so meh.

Seriously, though, life’s been in the way lately.

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by Paleface Destro on Dec 18, 2011 8:35 PM MST up reply actions  

Hmm

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 8:14 PM MST up reply actions  

maybe they should've taken better care of the track.

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 18, 2011 8:15 PM MST up reply actions  

Um

Physical Fatigue? Like, he died of a workout?

by mkorpal on Dec 18, 2011 8:17 PM MST up reply actions  

i guess i've never tried it

Which may explain my continued life.

by mkorpal on Dec 18, 2011 8:23 PM MST up reply actions  

That's why you only exercise in the sleeping compartment

if you know what I mean

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 8:24 PM MST up reply actions  

There is such a thing called the "Clickity Clack Club"

Think about it.

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 18, 2011 8:25 PM MST up reply actions  

But he's too ronery for that!

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by Paleface Destro on Dec 18, 2011 8:33 PM MST up reply actions  

Well if you were poisoned, shot, or otherwise incapacitated

then I guess that could count as physical fatigue…..whilst on a train…

I’m not saying that’s what happened…I’m just sayin’

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 8:21 PM MST up reply actions  

Agatha Christie style

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by Muzia on Dec 18, 2011 8:22 PM MST up reply actions  

I cannot freaking spell today

*dead.

DOESN’T MATTER

DEAD

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by Andrew Martin on Dec 18, 2011 9:32 PM MST up reply actions  

no longer Kim Jong-il

now he’s just Kim Jong-dead.

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 18, 2011 8:35 PM MST up reply actions  

Blam!

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 8:35 PM MST up reply actions  

Wow. This guy is something else

TrippingOlney Not Buster Olney
SO NORTH KOREA NEEDS A NEW DICTATOR…. AND THAT EXPLAINS WHY THE YU DARVISH BIDDING WAS SO MUCH HIGHER THAN WE EXPECTED

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 18, 2011 8:18 PM MST reply actions  

more

TrippingOlney Not Buster Olney
GENE LAMONT IS AVAILABLE RT @RoneFace: HEARD THIS: GIVEN NEW OPENING IN NORTH KOREA, BOBBY VALENTINE REGRETS SIGNING DEAL WITH RED SOX.

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 18, 2011 8:21 PM MST up reply actions  

He be trippin'

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 8:22 PM MST up reply actions  

OT: This made me laugh

Trippin’ Olney

SO IS THE NORTH KOREA JOB UP ON MONSTER.COM YET? AND IF SO WHERE DO I SUBMIT MY RESUME?

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 8:22 PM MST reply actions  

I liked that one was as well.

Also this one that he retweeted:

ONCE BRUCE CHEN DECIDED NOT TO PLAY IN NORTH KOREA THIS YEAR IT WAS JUST A MATTER OF TIME. #BruceChenFallout

by holly96 on Dec 18, 2011 8:24 PM MST up reply actions  

BOOM

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 8:24 PM MST up reply actions  

So has Purple Row alone basically tripled this guy's Twitter followers this past two weeks?

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by Greg Stanwood on Dec 19, 2011 12:09 AM MST up reply actions  

Maybe,, my name of course is on that list.

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 19, 2011 12:25 AM MST up reply actions  

I started Trippin on him about a month ago I think

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by SDcat09 on Dec 19, 2011 12:35 AM MST up reply actions  

Speaking of BOOM

TrippingOlney Not Buster Olney
JOE MAUER SPRAINED HIS THUMB CHANGING THE CHANNEL TO CNN AFTER HEARING OF KIM JONG IL’S DEATH.
Glad we signed Cuddyer when we did

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 18, 2011 8:26 PM MST reply actions  

oh wait, keith law linked it

i mean, that’s ok, but i don’t think that will really be able to contribute on defense.

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by papality on Dec 18, 2011 8:30 PM MST up reply actions  

Hey, it could be worse. He might think KJIL is a Rockie

and boy then he’d have something to say about it.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 8:31 PM MST up reply actions  

Bahahahaha

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 8:35 PM MST up reply actions  

It's been one of my favorite blogs for a few years.

I always wonder if there’s something wrong with me when Keith Law and I share tastes, though.

by Rox Girl on Dec 18, 2011 8:35 PM MST up reply actions  

I was exaggerating the timeline of when I first was led to it.

It couldn’t have been more than a year ago, because it just started 14 months ago, seemingly. The 2011 season must have really warped my sense of time. Seems like years ago.

by Rox Girl on Dec 18, 2011 8:43 PM MST up reply actions  

Dude liked him some sausage, it would seem

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by Paleface Destro on Dec 18, 2011 8:38 PM MST up reply actions  

...which is funny, because he looks more like a rat.

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by Paleface Destro on Dec 18, 2011 8:41 PM MST up reply actions  

true that...

This was the first post I saw on the blog.., so I guess it was just barely over a year ago.

by Rox Girl on Dec 18, 2011 8:45 PM MST up reply actions  

Wow...

So many rude comments, so little time

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by Paleface Destro on Dec 18, 2011 8:47 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm still scrolling through.

He looks at some really pointless stuff.

by holly96 on Dec 18, 2011 8:45 PM MST up reply actions  

In NK, the stuff he looks at should really qualify for the Journal of Irreproducible Results.

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by Paleface Destro on Dec 18, 2011 8:46 PM MST up reply actions  

unless a set of twins is involved

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 18, 2011 8:47 PM MST up reply actions  

Well, when it's fulfill Dear Leader's fantasies or death, let's just say I don't judge.

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by Paleface Destro on Dec 18, 2011 8:50 PM MST up reply actions  

He seems entirely too happy

about all those sausages…

and oh how bout feeding your people

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 8:38 PM MST up reply actions  

Food is a prop, of course

It’s what you use to impress gullible foreigners.

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by Paleface Destro on Dec 18, 2011 8:40 PM MST up reply actions  

Ahhhhhh

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 8:41 PM MST up reply actions  

it works, too

i’m getting hungry

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by papality on Dec 18, 2011 8:42 PM MST up reply actions  

It does look good, doesn't it?

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by Paleface Destro on Dec 18, 2011 8:43 PM MST up reply actions  

Where the hell is Maria in this discussion?

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 8:43 PM MST up reply actions  

I know, right?

The mind boggles.

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by Paleface Destro on Dec 18, 2011 8:44 PM MST up reply actions  

Our summoning powers seem to be weakened.

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by Paleface Destro on Dec 18, 2011 8:51 PM MST up reply actions  

This is pure gold

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by Paleface Destro on Dec 18, 2011 8:48 PM MST up reply actions  

OT: More from TrippingOlney
TrippingOlney Not Buster Olney
SO PREREQUISITES FOR NORTH KOREAN DICTATOR… FAKE LOOKING DARK HAIR. SUNGLASSES… TONY LARUSSA, YOU HAVE A PHONE CALL.

Damn…he’s bold

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 8:30 PM MST reply actions  

me too

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 8:31 PM MST up reply actions  

This is harsh

TrippingOlney Not Buster Olney
SO PREREQUISITES FOR NORTH KOREAN DICTATOR… FAKE LOOKING DARK HAIR. SUNGLASSES… TONY LARUSSA, YOU HAVE A PHONE CALL.

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 18, 2011 8:30 PM MST reply actions  

I guess someone is REALLY ronery now.

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by Paleface Destro on Dec 18, 2011 8:30 PM MST reply actions  

He is where he belongs

I retract my statement above.

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 18, 2011 8:31 PM MST up reply actions  

BAhahahah Tripping Olney
TrippingOlney Not Buster Olney
NORTH KOREA TRIED TO ACQUIRE CHRIS PAUL LAST WEEK BUT DAVID STERN VETOED IT.

Okay I guffawed

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 8:34 PM MST reply actions  

More tripping Olney this is my favorite
TrippingOlney Not Buster Olney
ALSO INEVITABLE: JOE WEST EJECTED KIM JONG IL.

Where is Balkin Bob in all this?

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 8:37 PM MST reply actions  

Genius?

TrippingOlney Not Buster Olney
RT @Rogerwhutwhut: @TrippingOlney Skip: “If John Fox had made Tim Tebow the starter in week one, Kim Jong Il would’ve been dead weeks ago!”

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 18, 2011 8:42 PM MST reply actions  

So...fire John Fox?

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by Paleface Destro on Dec 18, 2011 8:43 PM MST up reply actions  

I dont like Bayless anyways

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KIM JONG IL’S DEATH WILL PLAY NICELY INTO SKIP BAYLESS’S “TIM TEBOW JUST KNOWS HOW TO WIN, EVEN WHEN HE LOSES” NARRATIVE TOMORROW.

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 18, 2011 8:45 PM MST reply actions  

So, there's been "Great Leader" and "Dear Leader". What's next?

“Precious Leader”? “Leader of Appreciable Value”?

INQUIRING MINDS WANT TO KNOW!

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by Paleface Destro on Dec 18, 2011 8:54 PM MST reply actions  

Could that be Tulo?

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 18, 2011 8:55 PM MST up reply actions  

i dunno

michael cuddyer, the human cork, is now on the team

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by papality on Dec 18, 2011 8:59 PM MST up reply actions  

I dont know if you could call that a "fair market value"

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 18, 2011 9:00 PM MST up reply actions  

LAR

Leader Above Replacement

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by SDcat09 on Dec 18, 2011 9:00 PM MST up reply actions  

xLAR

It’s country-adjusted.

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by Paleface Destro on Dec 18, 2011 9:08 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Heh

I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.

by prettyinpurple on Dec 18, 2011 10:26 PM MST up reply actions  

or for you dodgers fans:

leader on a ridiculously backloaded contract

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by papality on Dec 18, 2011 9:04 PM MST up reply actions  

Or for Marlins fans

Leader of SEC Investigations

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by Paleface Destro on Dec 18, 2011 9:06 PM MST up reply actions  

I was really surprised at the insensitivity of the Row regard the death

of the greatest golfer of our lifetime

Kim was talking at eight weeks old, wrote six operas and no fewer than 1,500 books in three years at university and topped that with 11 holes-in-one and a 38-under par the first time he wielded a golf club

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by TomCat009 on Dec 19, 2011 6:41 AM MST reply actions   1 recs

hello friends

Im a Twins fan and just want to say a few things about Cuddyer. Ive tried to page through the 1000 comments (not bad for the offseason!). About the defense, yeah he has got limited range, bunch kind of makes up for it with a cannon arm (there was a great radio ad a few years back touting the arm with the tag line: Ready, aim, Cuddyer!). He CANT play 3B or 2B, even though he has played there in the past. He only filled in at 2B because the Twins were so injury depleted he was the only one that could play. He played 3B as a younger player and was a butcher. He has played a lot of 1B the last few years because of the Morneau injury.
At the plate, it seems like he cant stay away from that 2 strike slider/cutter going away from him and strikes out. But, when he gets on his hot streaks, he can carry a team. You probably heard he is a tremendous clubhouse guy and active in the community (I think he was on the board of the Twins Community Fund charity and held other charity events) He is pretty good with the media to, always giving a quote.
Im sad to see him go because he is the last link to the Tom Kelly/post contraction awesomeness days. And is generally a good team player. He is a bit overpaid but I guess thats the market these days. Im glad he is going to a team like the Rockies that seems like a good team/fanbase to play for

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Top 30 PuRPs

  1. Drew Pomeranz, LHP - AAA
  2. Nolan Arenado, 3B - AA
  3. Wilin Rosario, C - MLB
  4. Chad Bettis, RHP - AA DL
  5. Tyler Matzek, A (Adv)
  6. Alex White, MLB
  7. Kyle Parker, OF - A (Adv)
  8. Tim Wheeler, OF - AAA DL
  9. Josh Rutledge, SS - AA
  10. Charlie Blackmon, OF - AAA DL
  11. Rosell Herrera, SS/3B - A
  12. Trevor Story, SS/3B - A
  13. Edwar Cabrera, LHP - AA
  14. Tyler Anderson, LHP - A
  15. Rafael Ortega, OF - A (Adv)
  16. Peter Tago, RHP, unassigned
  17. Christian Friedrich, LHP - MLB
  18. Joe Gardner, RHP - AA
  19. Corey Dickerson, OF - A (Adv)
  20. Thomas Field, 2B - AAA
  21. Will Swanner, C - A
  22. Kent Matthes, OF - AA
  23. Albert Campos, RHP - released (4/19/12)
  24. Jordan Pacheco, C/UT - MLB
  25. Cristhian Adames, SS - A (Adv)
  26. Ben Paulsen, 1B - AA
  27. Josh Slaats, RHP - A (Adv)
  28. David Kandilas, CF - A
  29. Jayson Aquino, LHP - unassigned
  30. Hector Gomez, SS - DL
HM:
Edgmer Escalona, RHP - MLB
Dillon Thomas, OF - unassigned
Sam Mende, IF - A
Mike Zuanich, 1B - AA
Dan Houston, RHP - AA

updated 10/25/2011.


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