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Friday Rockpile: Parting is Such Sweet Sorrow... Right?

About 36 hours ago, the Rockies announced that they were signing Free Agent Catcher Ramon Hernandez to a 2-year, $6.5M deal.

Normally, this news would excite me, as I've quietly had an eye on him for the past few years, since I picked him up in fantasy baseball in 2006. I'd have been more excited about it had the next announcement not been all but guaranteed: Chris Iannetta to the Los Angeles Angels in exchange for a young starter named Tyler Chatwood.

Years ago, when I started writing for Purple Row, I had my little weekly column called Counting Rocks. It's since been mothballed, but wrote a few novels in there. Well, they probably looked more like bank ledgers, but you see my point. The first article I wrote for that Counting Rocks series was about Chris Iannetta, and how the Catcher of the Future had finally arrived. The article was written in Spring of 2009, after Iannetta had posted his breakout season for the Rockies, batting .264/.390/.505 with 18 bombs over 104 games.

At this point, most people were at least content with the idea of Iannetta. I was thrilled. Ecstatic. It was one of the best offensive seasons the Rockies had from a catcher since Jeff Reed batted .297 in 1997.

Not too long after that, Iannetta hit a 2-month snag and lost his job to a suddenly scorching hot Yorvit Torrealba. Torrealba batted .341 in August and .310 in September of '09 while the Rockies went ahead and won their 3rd franchise playoff berth. I was livid. Other people also felt Iannetta was getting robbed of all the postseason starts, as he is a lefty masher and Philadelphia threw their lefty brigade against Colorado.

Thus began the great Catching Wars of 2009. It should be Iannetta! No, Torrealba is hotter! No, Iannetta! Torrealba!

Suddenly, Huston Street gave up a double to Ryan Howard and a bloop single to Jayson Werth and the Rockies were done for.

...

"If Iannetta had started, the Rockies might have made it further."

Thus continued the Catching Wars of 2009.

Later that offseason, Miguel Olivo was signed to a 1 year contract with an option on 2011. I figured the Rockies had finally gotten a backup who wouldn't play like crap for the majority of the season and then get inexplicably hot down the stretch and take Iannetta's job.

Thus began yet another argument over whether or not Chris Iannetta was actually worth a damn.

At some point though, I had to stop and step back. If you were around between the 09-10 seasons, you remember how nasty those arguments were. What on earth was so special about Chris Iannetta that would make it not seem absurd to have such dragged-out screaming matches about him? He isn't a very exciting player (barring a few isolated incidents), he doesn't hit for super high average, he's not a Molina, so what's the deal?

Star-divide

I guess the thing that really got me going about Iannetta was the fact that he was one of the first "Moneyball" style players the Rockies had around. Not that they signed him as a Scott Hatteberg type out of free agency, but more that we had a guy who could post a really solid OBP without having to hit for really solid average. Being able to work a count, foul off pitches, and take a walk if a hit wasn't available and not waste an out - something about that appealed to me.

Or maybe it wasn't that Iannetta was the Moneyball guy I was waiting for. Maybe it was the fact that I'd just recently decided to bury myself in increasingly advanced stats: focusing on OPS, valuing the walk, finding ways to mathematically optimize a baseball team. Having gone to an engineering school and getting a MS in Operations Research, this particular method of analysis made sense to me. With this new toolset equipped, I was ready to take on anybody claiming a player was bad because of bad batting average, and the perfect player had emerged for me to defend.

Whichever statistical revelation it was, Iannetta became my personal representation of a model player for the stat guy: good OBP, good SLG, all while posting a surprisingly low batting average (just to defy conventional wisdom). The OPS justifies the AVG, right? Anyone disagreeing with Iannetta's batting prowess is just trying to attack stat guys, clearly. It became more than just "Oh hey, the better player should play," because what defined "better"? Any reason Iannetta wasn't playing became another vendetta from manager Jim Tracy and an underappreciation of stats. It eventually made it hard to separate the argument about the player from the argument about the method of evaluation.

At the end of the 2010 season, I posted an article for Counting Rocks, one that proclaimed Chris Iannetta to be done for. It wasn't because of injury, or unsalvageably bad performances, but because something about the way he fit with the team didn't seem to work anymore. Whenever Iannetta would hit a cold spot, his backup would catch fire, taking the job and never giving it back. He'd perpetually be batted 8th behind worse hitters, regardless of splits or matchups, while other catchers seemed to be liberally sprinkled throughout the lineup. Add in that Iannetta's from New England and apparently that means you're disqualified from catching young Latin pitchers.

At this point, I was advocating trading Iannetta. At the time, I didn't even care if Iannetta leaving hurt the team (and 2011 showed us that it didn't even matter), I just wanted him to go play somewhere he'd be appreciated, played regularly, and not given a leash so short it sat you for 3 games after an 0-fer performance. I just wanted to go see him do well somewhere else just so I could turn and spit it straight into the face of the detractors: "SEE? If they just PLAYED him, they'd SEE that he's a good batter!" Part of me is still there. If Iannetta inexplicably posts a .900 OPS season with the Angels, I might just burst a blood vessel in my forehead.

No, honestly, I've been ready for this for a year now. I've been convinced that Iannetta is a good baseball player, and that if the Rockies don't see that, then that's their fault. I'm sick to death or arguing about it.

One of the biggest areas of subjectivity for me has been the overly defensive stance in evaluating the guy. As I mentioned above, Iannetta became the representation of my stat-heavy evaluative methodology. Part of that defensive mindset was constantly feeling like Iannetta was undervalued in the organization.

If you read through the comments yesterday, I'm not terribly thrilled with the return for Iannetta. Yes, Tyler Chatwood is young and all that, but I'm just not very excited about him. I don't see him being a very positive influence on the rotation. Just... not a great return. This is mostly opinion, as I wouldn't stand on any kind of statistical evaluation on Chatwood given the sample and his age and rush through the minors.

It just seems a fitting way to go for Iannetta, traded for a guy I find statistically unimpressive. It just adds up: the fact that his name was nailed to the 8 spot while Eliezer Alfonzo batted cleanup; the willingness to let Olivo keep trying to pull himself out of his late-season funk while Iannetta seemingly had a super short leash; getting traded for an underwhelming player. Chris Iannetta and the Colorado Rockies, everybody: an exploration in how to not see a productive baseball player.

I guess it was just time. Iannetta never seemed to fit with this club. Always fighting to prove himself, always under the microscope every offseason ("We believe in Iannetta, so we're going to continue making concessions for him"), but he'd also always seem to find a way to screw up being in even short term good graces.

I don't know. I'm rambling at this point. It's tough to try and find a way to "eulogize" your favorite player when you just feel like you've said everything that could be said 100 times over.

I remember watching him catching in the WBC in Toronto with Brian McCann.

I remember watching him and Tulo come up in 2006 and thinking what an awesome couple of players they were gonna be.

I specifically remember watching one AB in September '06 where Iannetta must have wasted 12 pitches whether by Ball or by Foul - he just kept slicing them down the line into the crowd. That's actually when he first caught my eye.

I remember getting shot down for him signing my WBC jersey on photo day (they weren't supposed to sign anything anyhow. Oops).

I remember reading a Sports Illustrated article on how Javy Lopez and Wade Boggs gave him some early-career pointers back in '06.

I remember being at a softball game and while at bat, the umpire told me that Iannetta had hit a walkoff against the Mets.

I remember when we here at Purple Row nicknamed him Doom, Dreamy, and DestructoBeam simultaneously, because Domenic just wasn't interesting enough.

Chris Iannetta brought a unique skillset to the table, and a controversial one at that. He was a polarizing figure, just based on that skillset. I'm going to miss him. I've had my wagon hitched to him for so long, I just don't know what I'll do without him to stick up for. Either way though, I hope he does well for the Angels, even if it's only so I can quietly and smugly grin.

Farewell, Chris Iannetta. Even though you started over 90 games 3 different times in your career, I'll still feel like we hardly knew you.

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Whichever statistical revelation it was, Iannetta became my personal representation of a model player for the stat guy: good OBP, good SLG, all while posting a surprisingly low batting average (just to defy conventional wisdom). The OPS justifies the AVG, right?

His SLG was dropped to below .400 in July ’09, dropping his OPS to below .700. This continued throughout 2010. He started to come out of this funk, though not a return to his earlier self, in 2011. But in 2011 he still had two additional months of sub .400 SLG.

A consistent CDI of 2008 and the first half of 2009 would be playing here next year. That guy never came back. He was still good, and hopefully in a new place he’ll be able to show that. But he wasn’t what the club wanted nor expected with that SLG. Now he’s gone.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 2, 2011 7:56 AM MST reply actions   1 recs

Well said, Andrew. Well said.

Just a small town kid who thinks Coors Field on a sunny summer Saturday night is the best place to be on this or any other plane of existence. When a late-inning Todd Helton go-ahead homerun is added to this scenario, my brain melts.

by Gasstation1 on Dec 2, 2011 8:03 AM MST reply actions  

Here’s that 2009 article on Iannetta

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 2, 2011 8:09 AM MST reply actions  

Now if Brian Wilson could leave the division

2 years ago the division was stacked with good closers

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 2, 2011 8:18 AM MST reply actions  

I find him funny

A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves

by waterboy31321 on Dec 2, 2011 9:25 AM MST up reply actions  

I found his schtick funny

When Zach Galafanackis did it.

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by Thnikkaman on Dec 2, 2011 9:26 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

I used to, when he first started.

It quickly became detestable and tiresome; I had to mute that freakin’ Taco Bell commercial that was on every break during the playoffs.

by Shoemaker on Dec 2, 2011 9:27 AM MST up reply actions  

When he was just kind of lazily funny in interviews and stuff,

it was entertaining. Now it’s almost like his brand, with the dyed beard and commercials. Got old.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 2, 2011 9:31 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

why isn't this green?

The off-season sucks.
That is all.

by DAWNMARIE01 on Dec 2, 2011 2:54 PM MST up reply actions  

It is now...

We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!

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by Junction Rox on Dec 2, 2011 2:55 PM MST up reply actions  

Really,

the rash of green posts that has stricken the Rockpiles of the last few days must end.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 2, 2011 2:56 PM MST up reply actions  

Not ripe.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 2, 2011 3:03 PM MST up reply actions  

I don't know if this was mentioned in yesterday's Rockpile

but it was reported last night that the Braves offered Prado to the Rockies for Seth Smith and Nolan Arenado. Obviously the Rockies declined.

I really don’t think a Prado acquisition is going to happen, the Braves and the Rockies are just way too far apart on how much Prado is worth to begin with, not to mention potential players that would fit in a deal. Their not even at the level of discussing Smith +Wheeler, and that’s where the Rockies have reportedly set the line of how much they’ll give up for Prado.

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by MattBerger on Dec 2, 2011 8:32 AM MST reply actions   1 recs

If that report is true

The Braves are out of their mind.

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 2, 2011 8:43 AM MST up reply actions  

Maybe we can talk them down to wheeler.

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by Thnikkaman on Dec 2, 2011 8:46 AM MST up reply actions  

The Rockies don't even want to trade Smith+Wheeler

They’ve all but agreed on Smith being involved in the trade, and the Rockies are trying to talk down the price of the second piece. It’s still a HUGE problem for this trade, because the Braves really want A) a replacement for Prado in the lineup and B) an impact prospect. The Rockies feel like they can get this deal done without giving a borderline top 100 prospect in Wheeler, let alone a true impact guy like Arenado.

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by MattBerger on Dec 2, 2011 8:54 AM MST up reply actions  

I'm just not 100% sold on Wheeler.

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by Thnikkaman on Dec 2, 2011 8:58 AM MST up reply actions  

This isn't even about Wheeler right now though

We’re not even at the point where the Braves would accept Smith+Wheeler if we offered those two for Prado right now.

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by MattBerger on Dec 2, 2011 9:01 AM MST up reply actions  

How's that?

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by Junction Rox on Dec 2, 2011 9:55 AM MST up reply actions  

All the more reason we should get rid of him.

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 9:23 AM MST up reply actions  

Well, if he could bring us Prado, sure.

I’m not in favor of trading Wheeler just to trade him.

by Shoemaker on Dec 2, 2011 9:28 AM MST up reply actions  

I'd say trade him for Prado also

like you said. Not just to get rid of him. If ATL thinks we are giving up Arenado. They must dumber than I though.
Even though they don’t need him. Could we throw in Street, eat some of his contract and get them to toss in Prado.

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 9:30 AM MST up reply actions  

Street has value on his own

We’re trying to get a Guthrie or Pavano (swapping salaries as well) for him to eat innings until DLR comes back

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by MattBerger on Dec 2, 2011 9:34 AM MST up reply actions  

Yes

Lets get rid of every prospect we’re not 100% sold on.

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 2, 2011 9:31 AM MST up reply actions  

Clearance sale!

Every non-Arenado and Pomeranz must go.

by Shoemaker on Dec 2, 2011 9:31 AM MST up reply actions  

To bad this still won't be enough of an exchange to get the Braves to budge on Prado

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 2, 2011 9:34 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Look, I'm not going to be upset if we don't get Prado

I’ve got low expectations for 2012. But I think we have more than enough depth in our OF that if we had to give up Wheeler to be competitive for this year that I wouldn’t be against it.

Now if we gave up Wheeler for an aging veteran who would be a rental for this year, or something to that effect, I’d be pissed.

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by Thnikkaman on Dec 2, 2011 9:40 AM MST up reply actions  

I find it amusing

that the Braves think they can get an above average bat and the Rockies #2 PuRP in exchange for a guy who posted a .687 OPS last season. Maybe they should offer Colorado Heyward and Hanson instead. If that’s the going rate for an Atlanta player like Prado, they could probably net Tulo, Cargo, Chacin, Pomeranz, Arenado, and the keys to the city of Denver for those two young stars.

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 2, 2011 9:23 AM MST up reply actions  

It's early.

We’ll see what happens when the FA signings start.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 2, 2011 9:26 AM MST up reply actions  

Let's not just use his 2011 numbers when looking at Prado.

I know that’s what Rockies fans are going to do, in order to want to give up less for Prado. Braves fans are going to say “well, he was an all-star in 2010 blah blah blah…” when I think his value is somewhere in the middle.

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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 2, 2011 10:04 AM MST up reply actions  

I don't disagree, but as long as the Braves are asking for a king's ransom

I’ll have no problem pointing out things like that. Atlanta can’t change the fact that they are selling low here.

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 2, 2011 10:17 AM MST up reply actions  

That may be true.

But I’m not sure they really are. Does Prado’s 2011 hurt him that much to drive his price that much down? He had two stand out years before 2011, so I’m not confident on this one.

The Braves are right for asking for a lot (but Arenado…really?). I don’t see a deal getting done with the two sides this far apart.

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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 2, 2011 10:20 AM MST up reply actions  

we'll see what happens after the Winter Meetings

I’m not 100% sure the Braves are really looking to trade him at this point. That may have cooled since their collapse

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by Muzia on Dec 2, 2011 10:32 AM MST up reply actions  

Daniel Murphy

He’s available and I wouldn’t mind hearing that the Rockies have some interest. I thought our prior depth at catcher and our current depth in outfield pieces would have matched well with the Mets needs. Not sure how we fit now, but might be worth an inquiry as he could play 3B and maybe worth a flier at 2B, which is what the Mets plans are for him this season.

Not sure what he would cost but given how expensive it appears Prado is, he might be a more affordable target. He also might not be, as he’s still cost controlled, but can’t hurt to ask.

by Adam2011 on Dec 2, 2011 10:40 AM MST up reply actions  

Im with you on this one. I like me some D. Murphy.

Its what the Mets would want in return that could be the problem

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 10:41 AM MST up reply actions  

I wouldn't hate Murphy either

He’s not the drastic dropoff that we’ve seen in the past from 2nd best acquisitions.

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by Andrew Martin on Dec 2, 2011 11:47 AM MST up reply actions  

Would you take last year's .315 avg?

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 11:48 AM MST up reply actions  

Over on Amazin Avenue a couple weeks back.

They would’ve taken CDI and maybe a low to mid prospect for Murphy.

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 12:13 PM MST up reply actions  

They aren't Sandy Alderson who is notoriously

good at trades

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by TomCat009 on Dec 2, 2011 12:14 PM MST up reply actions  

It certainly does bring his price down

Especially with his LD rate (which was 18% in 08, 20% in 09, and 19% in 10 accoring to BBR) dropping all the way down to 12% last season. That’s a serious red flag that the Braves have to answer when demanding a package like that.

Prado has also lost value because he’s closer to free agency now than he was a year ago.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 2, 2011 10:37 AM MST up reply actions  

And Smith + Arenado

would be laughable even if Prado had the same value as he had a year ago.

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by Junction Rox on Dec 2, 2011 11:47 AM MST up reply actions  

It’s a red flag that points to his injury being the cause of his decline more than anything else. It’s no coincidence that his LD% was solid but not spectacular before the injury but plummeted afterward.

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by cthabeerman on Dec 2, 2011 12:21 PM MST up reply actions  

I think what the information says, more than anything, is that the Braves will not sell low. Period.

As I’ve said all along, the Braves are perfectly fine with keeping Prado. If a trade doesn’t happen, you won’t find anyone on the Braves side shedding tears over keeping Prado.

-C

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by cthabeerman on Dec 2, 2011 12:16 PM MST up reply actions  

It could also be posturing...

Not to get a better deal from the Rockies, necessarily, but to get a better deal from any of the other teams interested in Prado. It’s bound to keep other teams, like the Tigers for instance, from coming in with a sell-low package.

If they can snag an acceptable regular along with Castellanos or the Blue Jays to part with Gose or Marisnick, then the goal of getting a top guy has been accomplished.

-C

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by cthabeerman on Dec 2, 2011 1:23 PM MST up reply actions  

I don't know if they get that for Prado, ultimately.

It seems they at once value him higher than any other team, but use him in a way (mostly the OF) that negates much of his value. He’s a useful role player, not an integral part of a playoff team, but they seem to want to get that integral part back for him.

by Rox Girl on Dec 2, 2011 2:04 PM MST up reply actions  

I would disagree with the “not an integral part” theory, in that he’s significantly better than a typical role player. He’s significantly better than a typical starter as well.

Yes, LF is not ideal for him, but his job responsibilities are much larger than “starting left fielder.” He’s also the guy that starts at third when Chipper’s gone 40 games out of the year, and can do most of the other utility stuff besides. So, if the Braves value him more than other clubs, it’s clearly warranted in their particular case.

What they’ll get out of him is definitely up in the air, but there’s no reason for discouragement on that front. If they don’t get what they consider a qualifying offer, it’s no skin off their back. The organization still views him as a viable heir to 3B once Chipper rides off into the sunset, so there will always be a spot for him on the roster.

I cannot stress enough the idea that Wren feels that the only reason to make the trade is to make the Braves better, in both the short and long-term. That’s not posturing. It’s the hard-line stance that will be taken to the final day of Prado’s contract with the organization.

Bear in mind, I’m not saying he won’t be traded. But it won’t be for Smith and organizational filler with role player upside. Nor will it be for Smith + Arenado on the other end of the spectrum…though I don’t think another teams’ top-tier guy is out of the question. It’s a case-by-case scenario on that front.

-C

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by cthabeerman on Dec 2, 2011 3:12 PM MST up reply actions  

Prado at his best, playing mostly second, is better than a typical starter,

but at third or in the outfield, he’s not. If he was, the Braves couldn’t make themselves better by trading him and they wouldn’t have him on the block.

Again, teams aren’t going to get to the playoffs by adding Prado alone unless they are already pretty close to contention to begin with. This is what I mean by him not being an integral part even though he could be a useful and important part utilized correctly. He actually reminds me of Mark DeRosa of a few seasons ago, and like DeRosa, his use and value will erode quickly if he’s not put back into the middle of the infield. So if the Braves do keep him, they’ll be wasting his value more unless Uggla gets injured.

by Rox Girl on Dec 2, 2011 3:29 PM MST up reply actions  

He’s fourth in the NL in WAR for 3B between 2009-11, so we’re going to have to agree to disagree there. The positional adjustment is the same for 3B and 2B and he’s a better defender there, so I think you’re just off in that respect.

I think you’re highly overrating the impact of 3B over the past few seasons. There isn’t a glut of talent at the position any longer. Prado profiles to be a more valuable piece there than at 2B.

I also believe your DeRosa comparison is one that makes sense on the surface, but won’t bear out in reality. Prado’s injury, unlike DeRosa’s, was not baseball-related. He had an infection.

DeRosa was crippled by a wrist injury that he (and many other players) really struggle to come back from. It was the wrist injury that was the cause of DeRosa’s precipitous decline, not a position change. In fact, he played OF more before his decline than after.

I don’t foresee a staph infection derailing Prado’s productivity in anywhere near the same fashion that the wrist killed DeRosa’s.

-C

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by cthabeerman on Dec 2, 2011 3:49 PM MST up reply actions  

There are differences to be sure, but what Prado and DeRosa have in common

are the offensive spikes that shouldn’t be counted on going forward. It wasn’t just the wrist injury that led to DeRosa’s decline, that hastened it, made his drop more severe than it otherwise would have been, but an unsustainable rate of production was bound to come back to earth. Prado’s 2008-2010 are in the same boat as DeRosa’s 2006-2008, peak seasons that the player may approach in the future, but likely not to be totally replicated. Certainly not for another three season period like that. Even before he had the staph infection last year, his OPS was off of his .800 plus seasons the three years prior.

Now, I think Prado’s peak was higher than DeRosa’s, and future bounceback seasons should also figure to be pretty decent, especially if he avoids catastrophic injuries, and added to the defense I do think he has more value as an everyday versatile starter than a strict super-sub like DeRosa was or at least should have been. I want him for the Rockies, and obviously the FO does too. That said, Prado’s still not worthy in trade of a top tier starting position prospect like Arenado, especially added to a decent OF in Smith. Second tier prospect like a Wheeler or Blackmon? Certainly. His real trade value might be somewhere in between those things, which might mean a throw in low level prospect might have to be included.

by Rox Girl on Dec 2, 2011 4:18 PM MST up reply actions  

I don’t disagree with much of that, other than your DeRosa and Prado comparison. Keep in mind, you’re not comparing apples to apples – DeRosa was much older than Prado at the time of their relative success…DeRosa was 34 when the decline began. Prado’s going to be 28, heading into his prime, now. Decline is nowhere near imminent.

Again, I’m not sure the comparison is apt, and I wholeheartedly disagree with your assertion that Prado has to decline just because. You haven’t really attributed Prado’s imminent decline to anything at this point, other than his rate “an unsustainable rate of production was bound to come back to earth.”

What exactly, in your opinion, makes Prado’s success unsustainable?? A two-month pre-injury sample size is prone to wide fluctuation, and that was certainly the case here. Prado had a pretty poor April and followed it up with a more Prado-esque May before getting hurt. He was also rushed back into action due to Chipper’s injury, which likely plays a monumental role in his poor performance post-injury.

I’m going to go back one step in our discussion and point out that Prado does not necessarily lose value overall in playing a lot of LF. He’s still probably going to be above average for the position.

He struggled mightily in 2011, spent roughly 3/4 of his playing time there, spent a month on the DL, and still finished a little short of the 2 WAR that is a rough barometer for average player. A lot of the value lost will comes from the 1 WAR swing in positional adjustment (assuming a full season of play), but Prado’s a likely above-average defender there while he’s a below-average defender at 2B.

The value difference is mitigated heavily by this and there’s no reason to believe that his positive defensive contributions at the position could outweigh the positional adjustment, given his poorer performance at the more defensive-minded position.

Obviously, we’re working with SSS in any defensive discussion involving Prado because he’s not put in a ton of time at any one position, but the indicators are enough to suggest it’s a viable theory, albeit one still in its infancy, statistically speaking.

-C

It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?

by cthabeerman on Dec 2, 2011 4:42 PM MST up reply actions  

Okay, so wall of text time...

Some points here:

  • Assuming a player’s peak merely starts at age 27 is a dangerous trap to fall into, I know, from overvaluing Garrett Atkins at a similar stage after the 2007 season. He fell off a cliff thereafter and will probably never see the MLB again despite being only 32 years old this year. Some come early. Prado’s three season 2008-2010 has career peak written all over it, as does Troy Tulowitzki’s 2009-2011 (just putting that out there, fellow Rockies fans,) despite him just turning 27 this year. The difference between the two right now, though, is that while I can only suspect Tulo coming off a peak, we had a verification season from Prado. Aided by a staph infection, sure, but it was a drop nonetheless. A quick rise to a sustained three year production cycle followed by a precipitous drop seems the very definition of a peak. Again, I do think Prado’s capable of having sporadic 3-4 WAR seasons going forward, but I think it’s folly to assume he’ll regularly put up that kind of production given the very big warning flags that 2011 showed.
  • One such flag was the sharp drop in his line drive rate even before he went down with the infection. In the three prior seasons he had just two calendar months out of 15 that saw his LD rate below the 17.3 high water mark he hit in May of last season. He’s not catching up to fastballs as he once was.
  • The use of the staph infection strikes me as an overly convenient scapegoat that will deflect people from considering that there may have been more to his latter half 2011 struggles than just a delayed recovery. It’s a possible explanation, but it’s not a verifiable one, and it’s equally possible that he was fully recovered and just not hitting to the level he once had. I think reality falls somewhere between those two.
  • A lot of Prado’s value at non-peak level offensively comes from his defensive positional adjustment. That’s precisely my point about the Braves not utilizing him as effectively as he could be, so to the Braves, he actually has less value than he does to teams with openings at third or second. Despite this, Wren appears to be valuing him more than these other teams do. There’s a disconnect there that needs to be addressed. It’s similar to what O’Dowd did with Atkins and Brad Hawpe for the Rockies a couple of years ago and the return value doesn’t go up if Wren continues to hang onto Prado into the summer.

Finally, yes, there are obviously SSS caveats that apply, but that’s the case with almost every player. In that case it’s usually best to go by what the large sample of all like players does, and in this case, that says that Prado’s offensive skills will slowly decline, but his infield defensive skills could quickly erode if he’s not given regular work there.

by Rox Girl on Dec 2, 2011 5:26 PM MST up reply actions  

Why do you think Tulo has peaked?

Injuries?

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 2, 2011 8:45 PM MST up reply actions  

No, because I feel that he's reached the upper limit of expected performance

for a three year period. It seems to be fairly unlikely to expect another three year period from him as productive as 2009-2011, ergo he’s probably peaked.

by Rox Girl on Dec 2, 2011 9:27 PM MST up reply actions  

That seems like a different opinion

than you had on this 10 months ago.

We haven’t seen close to the peak of what Tulo’s capable of as far as a complete season is concerned

This line of thinking still makes more sense to me because in 2009 his numbers were knocked down because he did not change his batting stance until June, in 2010 his compiling stats were held in check because of the six weeks he missed with a broken wrist, and this year they were stunted by a .196 BABIP in May and the time he missed in September.

If he stays healthy, and that is becoming a bit on an if, I don’t think he’s peaked yet.

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 2, 2011 9:44 PM MST up reply actions  

It's not like a whole season's worth of data wasn't added during that 10 months.

Again, it’s just a suspicion. I think it’s pretty clear that the last three seasons are part of Tulo’s career peak, although I should say that his caliber of player usually has more than one peak period. This would be the biggest one, the most productive multi-season stretch in his career. I don’t know if it will start ebbing in 2012 or 2013, possibly even 2014, and there might be another level he can reach in the next year or two, but I’m much more doubtful of that now than I was 10 months ago.

by Rox Girl on Dec 3, 2011 6:05 AM MST up reply actions  

I think we need to separate some stats here just to see if we are looking at things a little differently

If you’re talking about rate states over the last three seasons like his .377 OBP, his .930 OPS, and his 138 wRC+, then I see where you are coming from. Although I think it’s still possible he has another three year period where he pushes those a bit higher too (I may expand on these thoughts later in the winter in a fanpost).

If we’re talking about compiling stats over the last three seasons though where he’s averaged things like a 6.1 fWAR and 30 HR’s, then I’m pretty confident that he can push those higher for the reasons mentioned above.

He still hasn’t had that season where everything has broken well for him. When he does, it’s going to pull another three year average up.

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 3, 2011 10:06 AM MST up reply actions  

To clarify...

I’m still not saying that Prado is worth Smith + Arenado. That’s never been my contention.

Is he worth a starter + high-quality OF/SS prospect combo?? Perhaps. Depends on the quality of both players involved. I’ve been advocating a Smith + Wheeler deal from the start as an acceptable compromise for both teams. Both sides could argue they’re getting the short end of the stick in that deal, but that’s going to be biased by the admiration each has for their guys.

-C

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by cthabeerman on Dec 2, 2011 4:50 PM MST up reply actions  

Your previous questions are going to take a little bit of time to answer. I'll give my reply above.

I too hope the teams can come to a consensus around a Smith/Wheeler package. I also think that would be mutually beneficial, I don’t think we’re very far off, but I do think you’re overestimating what to expect offensively from Prado going forward.

by Rox Girl on Dec 2, 2011 4:55 PM MST up reply actions  

"integral part"

What did we say about math again?

I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.

by prettyinpurple on Dec 2, 2011 3:32 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Well, originally it was Smith + Wheeler or Blackmon

Do the Rox value one over the other? And what about the Braves?

by RoxWS2014 on Dec 2, 2011 9:40 AM MST up reply actions  

I'd do both to get Prado.

Smith + Wheeler. I’d rather keep Blackmon.

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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 2, 2011 10:05 AM MST up reply actions  

Me too

I liked what I saw of Blackmon in 2011

by maris61 on Dec 2, 2011 11:28 AM MST up reply actions  

I hope o'Dowd countered with "you've got a deal...

…if you include Heyward and Teheran. I like how you construct offers"

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 2, 2011 8:53 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Teheran,eh? Now we're talking

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by Muzia on Dec 2, 2011 9:35 AM MST up reply actions  

I spent 30 minutes trying to craft a trade for him on OOTP with the Rockies team

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 2, 2011 10:00 AM MST up reply actions  

i once traded russell martin for him straight up

the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one, but trading wiggy to the phillies totally makes it okay
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by papality on Dec 2, 2011 1:31 PM MST up reply actions  

Wait, you can trade an entire city?

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by SDcat09 on Dec 2, 2011 10:39 AM MST up reply actions  

Stewart for DeWitt?

Blech

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 2, 2011 8:41 AM MST via mobile reply actions  

agree

At this point we might as well keep Stewart

It's Jim Tracy's Fault.

by wolf213 on Dec 2, 2011 8:50 AM MST via iPhone app up reply actions  

We might as well keep him for one more try to regain some of his potential. He didn’t exactly have the best beginning to last season.

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 2, 2011 8:52 AM MST up reply actions  

Yep.

I have a hard time believing that he’ll be as bad as he was last year again in 2012. I know the “it can’t be any worse” thing is cliched and something a lot of us have already said several times, but I really do think its true. Even if he doesn’t get any better and only performs to his career averages to date, that’s a near average offensive player (based on OPS+ anyway) with plus defense. Unless we do something splashy and throw a bunch of cash/trade assests at 3B, which would be silly with Arenado already pressing, Stewart’s our best option there (even including Pacheco, who I like).

And (warning: silly, ungrounded optomism ahead!) there’s still the chance, however small, that the dude does finally get it and we still benefit from that. Given all this, I can stomach one more round of “going into the year with Stewart at 3B.”

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by Gasstation1 on Dec 2, 2011 9:02 AM MST up reply actions  

I agree

Theres so many uncertainties about next season I don’t think we should spend money looking to upgrade 3rd base. Maybe at the trade deadline if we’re contending

by zmiko on Dec 2, 2011 9:06 AM MST up reply actions  

I have a hard time believing that he’ll be as bad as he was last year again in 2012.

We’ve said this about Hawpe, Atkins, and Morales as well when they fell down a black hole. Hawpe and Atkins never recovered despite their talent and Morales is in middle relief right now. Sometimes you gotta let go if there are better options.

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by MattBerger on Dec 2, 2011 9:16 AM MST up reply actions   2 recs

But that's the thing...

…there aren’t better options, not yet anyway. Other than the one already in our system that’ll be here soon (hopefully). Blake DeWitt is NOT a better option in my mind. His numbers aren’t any better than Stewart’s (again, basing this on OPS+ for simplicity, but I think its a pretty good one). The positional flexibility of DeWitt is nice, but it’s not another utility player we need. What we need is a starting 3B. Maybe Stewart will bomb again – even if you want to say he PROBABLY bombs again, I can’t argue with that – but until I see someone float a better alternative to DeWitt, I’ll continue to pass. “Sucks” sucks, but it’s still better than “Sucks Even More.”

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by Gasstation1 on Dec 2, 2011 9:43 AM MST up reply actions  

Why not?

Stewart doesn’t have a place in this organization anymore; we’ve been talking about a guy who’s had all of 150 at bats above A+ ball to start the season next year (though I do agree he’s brilliant, I think Arenado needs some time in Tulsa). DeWitt gives us a cheap, flexible, head above water option better than Wigginton who can start in case we can’t get Prado who can start if Nelson, EY2 or Herrera bombs in their starting opportunity. If not he’s a good utility option.

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by MattBerger on Dec 2, 2011 8:59 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

rawr....bad English

who can start in case we get Prado OR if Nelson, EY2, or Herrera bomb if they start.

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by MattBerger on Dec 2, 2011 9:04 AM MST up reply actions  

*can't get Prado

I’m off right now.

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by MattBerger on Dec 2, 2011 9:05 AM MST up reply actions  

That's it.

Take a lap.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 2, 2011 9:06 AM MST up reply actions  

Bringing up Kiszla?

Take a lap.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 2, 2011 9:30 AM MST up reply actions  

Better to get running.

You’ll be sweating by the time you get back in.

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by Thnikkaman on Dec 2, 2011 9:40 AM MST up reply actions  

I'm in this camp

Riight now he’s a lottery ticket at a price I’m willing to pay for.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 2, 2011 9:35 AM MST up reply actions  

si senior

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 2, 2011 9:39 AM MST up reply actions  

I like this. Very appropriate way to view the Stewart situation in my opinion.

Just a small town kid who thinks Coors Field on a sunny summer Saturday night is the best place to be on this or any other plane of existence. When a late-inning Todd Helton go-ahead homerun is added to this scenario, my brain melts.

by Gasstation1 on Dec 2, 2011 9:45 AM MST up reply actions  

Yep

and I’ve bought a fair number of lotto tix in my day. And yet here I sit in my office and not on a yacht somewhere.

by Teekalong on Dec 2, 2011 10:00 AM MST up reply actions  

We were always coming back.

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by Thnikkaman on Dec 2, 2011 10:11 AM MST up reply actions  

Well, you were doing it wrong

You have to learn how to do it right

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 2, 2011 10:10 AM MST up reply actions  

I just want to know why it's maths v math

It doesn’t add up for me.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 2, 2011 3:01 PM MST up reply actions   2 recs

Is it short for mathematic?

Case closed.

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by biondino on Dec 2, 2011 3:48 PM MST up reply actions  

And where people go to "hospital"

instead of “the hospital”

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by SDcat09 on Dec 2, 2011 4:43 PM MST up reply actions  

That was pretty irritating, no?

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 2, 2011 10:22 AM MST up reply actions  

somehow I imagine

that Stewart has a better than .0002608412% chance of being an above average 3B

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by TomCat009 on Dec 2, 2011 10:41 AM MST up reply actions  

But we don't need to hit the jackpot and have Stewart turn into Mike Schmidt

An average starter would be good enough. Think $3 winner. Those odds are better.

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by Gasstation1 on Dec 2, 2011 11:01 AM MST up reply actions  

i would love to have stewart repeat his 2010

~100 games played 97 wRC+, basically average UZR.

Perfect bridge season to Arrenado who would come up for 50-60 games midseason

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by purplesocks on Dec 2, 2011 3:41 PM MST up reply actions  

Update from Renck: "DeWitt not a fit in talks"

If that means the Cubs turned that proposal down, just walk away

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 2, 2011 10:03 AM MST up reply actions  

Apparently Rox upped their request to Tyler Colvin

Let’s field a team with 25 LH OF

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 2, 2011 10:21 AM MST up reply actions  

WINNAR

If two of them have good Catcher ERAs we wILL WIN THE WORLD SERIEEEZ

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by Thnikkaman on Dec 2, 2011 10:23 AM MST up reply actions  

at least Colvin is a respectable player

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by Muzia on Dec 2, 2011 10:33 AM MST up reply actions  

He can also take a bat hit into his chest and come back and play.

Sign this man!

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 10:37 AM MST up reply actions  

Almost missed it as it was posted later yesterday

but David OhNo posted his thoughts in the rockpile yesterday (just scroll to the bottom)

A must read as I believe he is one of the more informed fans out there.

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by dsmba on Dec 2, 2011 8:56 AM MST reply actions   1 recs

I maintain that he is Troy Renck posting on here

and I’m like 75% serious on that

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 2, 2011 9:28 AM MST up reply actions  

heh

David knows baseball more than Troy. He used to write here.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 2, 2011 9:35 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

have you met David face to face?

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 2, 2011 9:35 AM MST up reply actions  

rec.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 2, 2011 10:03 AM MST up reply actions  

make it green

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 10:37 AM MST up reply actions  

Unfortunately not

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 2, 2011 10:01 AM MST up reply actions  

on a side note

its always hard to judge the knowledge of a beat writer, their job is to report the news, not impose their knowledge of game on the readers

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 2, 2011 9:38 AM MST up reply actions  

Renck is smarter and more informed than he lets on

Not from him, but I’ve heard the Rockies don’t grant great access to non-rahrah guys.

Maybe he’s just playing the game for the sake of succeeding at his job.

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by Andrew Martin on Dec 2, 2011 10:09 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Renck would be okay

If the Post would pair him with a guy who’s more inclined to ask tough questions and tell it like it is. This is why I want him paired with Krieger, now that Armstrong’s been shown the door. Otherwise, the Post’s coverage is just way too soft.

by Northsider1964 on Dec 2, 2011 10:12 AM MST up reply actions  

Krieger sounds like a real idiot when I catch him on the radio.

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by Greg Stanwood on Dec 2, 2011 1:12 PM MST up reply actions  

Small sample size, though

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by Greg Stanwood on Dec 2, 2011 1:16 PM MST up reply actions  

Well

It’s hard to NOT sound like an idiot on KOA unless your name is Dave Logan.

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 2, 2011 2:47 PM MST up reply actions  

truth

The off-season sucks.
That is all.

by DAWNMARIE01 on Dec 2, 2011 3:04 PM MST up reply actions  

That said, I actually do like Krieger

on the radio most of the time – he might have won me over when he told a caller that pitching wins are a better measure of how a team is doing than how a pitcher is doing. I know that’s not exactly rocket science, but it made me happy nonetheless.

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 2, 2011 3:07 PM MST up reply actions  

But Krieger's not a fire-breather

or an idiot like Kiszla. He’s just not a gullible stenographer who accepts non-answers to fair questions.

by Northsider1964 on Dec 2, 2011 10:32 AM MST up reply actions  

I've emailed Krieger before

He reads us and loves us, by his words. He then proceeded to tear apart my Lopez>Herrera argument.

It was awesome.

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by Andrew Martin on Dec 2, 2011 11:48 AM MST up reply actions  

And shortly thereafter

Lopez tried to prove him right

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by jrockies on Dec 2, 2011 5:51 PM MST up reply actions  

Knows way more about the Rockies minor league system for sure.

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by dsmba on Dec 2, 2011 9:53 AM MST up reply actions  

I see where you're coming from on CDI

but there’s something missing from your analysis: defense.

It’s well-recognized that catchers can carve out a long major league career on defense alone. Brad Ausmus, Jose Molina, Old Pudge Rodriguez. There are plenty of other examples.

So it misses half, or more, of the boat to focus obsessively on a catcher’s offensive stats. Sure, when you’ve got a catcher who’s also a top hitter (Piazza, Young Pudge, McCann, Posey) that’s among the most valuable commodities in baseball and their offensive stats are noteworthy. But those are rare birds.

The non-discussion of Ianetta’s defensive strengths and weaknesses ignores probably the most important part of his value, high-OPS or not. This is probably attributable to the lack of reliable defensive metrics (I think UZR is a joke, totally unreliable, for fielders, and it doesn’t apply to catchers), and it’s one reason an overemphasis on SABR measures is dangerous.

by maris61 on Dec 2, 2011 9:27 AM MST reply actions  

It's amazing what a good glove and two good knees can get you behind the plate in MLB

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 2, 2011 9:29 AM MST up reply actions  

In the case of Henry Blanco it got him like $15 million dollars

Mike Matheny like $18 million

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 2, 2011 9:34 AM MST up reply actions  

Well, I flipped my ballpark calendar to the last page.

December is Target field. The parks did get better over time, remember one of them was Oakland.

Notable December birthdays:

Johnny Bench (7)
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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 2, 2011 9:36 AM MST reply actions  

Best has to be PNC Park

in my opinion

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 2, 2011 9:38 AM MST up reply actions  

If the Marlins sign Reyes what do we think about pursuing Bonafacio as a 2B option?

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by TomCat009 on Dec 2, 2011 9:47 AM MST reply actions  

If the price is right

If last year is an indication he’s matured into an everyday player that can maintain a consistent performance over the course of a full season he could be a solid grab. But I don’t see how Reyes acquisition would negate their need for Bonaficio.

by Adam2011 on Dec 2, 2011 9:55 AM MST up reply actions  

Don't they want Bonafacio as an OF? I thought he was playing CF

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 2, 2011 10:06 AM MST up reply actions  

If Reyes signs there talk they were considering moving him to CF rather than the assumed shift to 3B.

by Adam2011 on Dec 2, 2011 10:20 AM MST up reply actions  

Yeah, I don't see this.

Wouldn’t Coghlan-Morrison-Stanton be their outfield?

I understand that Coghlan isn’t looking too good over there right now, but I think Bonifacio could (and should) be available.

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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 2, 2011 10:23 AM MST up reply actions  

I wouldn't mind LoMo.

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 10:39 AM MST up reply actions  

he's about to have arthroscopic knee surgery

could sap his power big time, and that’s most of what he’s got as a player

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by papality on Dec 2, 2011 10:40 AM MST up reply actions  

he could do that without being a player though

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by papality on Dec 2, 2011 10:41 AM MST up reply actions  

I've had two Arthoscopic Knee Surgery's

and as a martial artist, I recovered just fine.

Football Players have Arthroscopic Surgerys and return the next week to play. I’m not concerned.

It's Jim Tracy's Fault.

by wolf213 on Dec 2, 2011 10:45 AM MST up reply actions  

If they have soured enough on Coughlan to put him behind Emilio

then I say lets go get Coughlan

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by TomCat009 on Dec 2, 2011 10:44 AM MST up reply actions  

Coghlin wouldn't be a bad guy to get IF he can stay healthy

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 10:45 AM MST up reply actions  

Coghlan had an Amazing 09, an above avergage 10(for a 2B)

I wouldn’t mind the health risk

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by TomCat009 on Dec 2, 2011 10:52 AM MST up reply actions  

But he had major problems last year.

trust me. I bit the bullet with him on my fantasy team

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 10:53 AM MST up reply actions  

fair maybe they do a stewie for Coghlan deal

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by TomCat009 on Dec 2, 2011 10:55 AM MST up reply actions  

that's really not a half bad idea

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by Muzia on Dec 2, 2011 10:56 AM MST up reply actions  

But where would Coghlin fit in the OF?

If we threw Coghlin and Smith to ATL for Prado?

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 10:56 AM MST up reply actions  

Coghlan could play 2B, I guess

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 2, 2011 10:59 AM MST up reply actions  

Oh I didn't know he could play 2nd.

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 11:00 AM MST up reply actions  

He hasn't in the majors really

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 2, 2011 11:00 AM MST up reply actions  

ok. Maybe its time for him to learn how to again

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 11:02 AM MST up reply actions  

Coghlan mostly played 2B in the minors

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by Muzia on Dec 2, 2011 10:59 AM MST up reply actions  

Can he turn a double play? That's all that matters

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 11:06 AM MST up reply actions  

Coghlan was a slightly below average 2B in his rookie year

his .321/.390/.460 line was helped by a .365 BABIP which wasn’t that far off his MiLB lines if he can play below average defense and we can get him cheap I would love to see him in the 2B mix next year

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by TomCat009 on Dec 2, 2011 11:00 AM MST up reply actions  

.321 avg? For a 2B?

Not that avg is an indicator of anything. I’d say that is pretty good.

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 11:01 AM MST up reply actions  

I mistakenly thought he played 2B apparently he was in LF

but he was a 2B in the minors

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by TomCat009 on Dec 2, 2011 11:02 AM MST up reply actions  

his 9.4% walk rate and 13.4 K% excited me more

and was in line with his minors numbers too

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by TomCat009 on Dec 2, 2011 11:04 AM MST up reply actions  

I'd take the hell out of a .321 AVG

because it’s almost guaranteed to come with a .360+ OBP, and also boosts SLG.

Good AVG is a good thing, it just shouldn’t be the ONLY thing. That’s the beef the stat guys have with AVG.

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by Andrew Martin on Dec 2, 2011 11:51 AM MST up reply actions  

Im starting to come to turns that AVG isn't just the only thing. Just debating if I want to get into the advanced stuff

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 11:52 AM MST up reply actions  

Slippery slope, my friend.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 2, 2011 11:53 AM MST up reply actions  

But, I've read that advanced metrics and stuff like that helps with fantasy baseball.

and I love playing fantasy baseball

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 11:54 AM MST up reply actions  

It will hurt you in standard 5x5

and make you do things like draft Colby Rasmus or Andres Torres

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by TomCat009 on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM MST up reply actions  

we are a private 9 team NL only keeper league.

We draft, set our lineups and have at it. Nice part about. I’ve got Tulo and Cargo.

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 12:04 PM MST up reply actions  

Advanced stats will help you avoid

one year wonders like Carlos Silva or Omar Infante but will also steer you away from breakouts like Bautista and Alex Gordon

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by TomCat009 on Dec 2, 2011 12:13 PM MST up reply actions  

yup

and like one was an intentional walk!

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by Resolution on Dec 2, 2011 12:29 PM MST up reply actions  

2 of 9

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by papality on Dec 2, 2011 12:31 PM MST up reply actions  

0.4 /3.4/7.89

BB/9 K/9 K/BB

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by papality on Dec 2, 2011 12:29 PM MST up reply actions  

I was refering to his Cubs run

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by TomCat009 on Dec 2, 2011 12:38 PM MST up reply actions  

Pass on Coghlan

He’s been pretty bad since his impressive Rookie season.

by Adam2011 on Dec 2, 2011 11:04 AM MST up reply actions  

Yea, WiggY didn't have the best year and we still signed him for a year of pure hell.

I’ll take Coghlin

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 11:05 AM MST up reply actions  

He'd still be our best 2B

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by Muzia on Dec 2, 2011 11:05 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

You don't understand, man.

EY2 learned things in Venezuela.

by Shoemaker on Dec 2, 2011 11:06 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Yea, how to be late!

and ran himself out of a job.

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 11:07 AM MST up reply actions  

You can't teach speed.

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by Muzia on Dec 2, 2011 11:07 AM MST up reply actions  

or steal 1st base

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 11:08 AM MST up reply actions  

Domingo Ayala would disagree

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by Thnikkaman on Dec 2, 2011 11:16 AM MST up reply actions  

nope. he went to pick up a family member

from the airport on the mainland because the team he was on lied to him and said they would “take care of it” and then didnt. I dont blame him for taking matters into his own hands (aside from inviting the family member there in the first place, duh) and his manager Donny B, stuck up for him and he was replaced as well. In this situation, EY2 was not at fault.

Now whether he got his 2B chops I doubt, which is what I was hoping against hope he did

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by El Paso Jeff on Dec 2, 2011 11:51 AM MST up reply actions  

getting the drop on A Mart

cha- ching

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by El Paso Jeff on Dec 2, 2011 11:52 AM MST up reply actions  

You might've missed the press release

It wasn’t as irresponsible as the blurb made it sound. He went to meet a friend at the airport when the team representative didn’t, as he was really concerned for this friend’s safety, given the Wilson Ramos kidnapping.

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by Andrew Martin on Dec 2, 2011 11:52 AM MST up reply actions  

2B would still be a glaring weakness.

Maybe he can turn things around and then we could have something. But what reason is there to expect that? I’d bring him on if it only involved a low risk signing or trade (say Chris Nelson type) but other than that I wouldn’t give anything up for him. If its a choice between Stewart and Coghlan I’d gamble on Stewart.

by Adam2011 on Dec 2, 2011 11:12 AM MST up reply actions  

Since we have a 3B coming up I would rather bet my

money on the guy who has put up a .370 wOBA in MLB provided the scouts think he can stick at 2B.

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by TomCat009 on Dec 2, 2011 11:15 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

His 2009 would have been about a 100 wRC+ this year

And he played hurt in 65 games so I wouldn’t give up on him especially since his BB and K rates returned to normal.

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by TomCat009 on Dec 2, 2011 11:06 AM MST up reply actions  

sorry his 09 would have been about a 140 wRC+

his 2010 would have been around 100

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by TomCat009 on Dec 2, 2011 11:11 AM MST up reply actions  

Now your talking Chinese. No idea what those numbers are.

Guys, I don’t need the links. LOL

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 11:12 AM MST up reply actions  

Sorry weighted runs created plus is a stat

that measures all hitters against each other with 100 being average for all hitters. so if you have a guy who is an average hitter playing average defense at a tougher defensive position he is an above average player. Coughlan was 25% better than an average hitter his rookie season.

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by TomCat009 on Dec 2, 2011 11:19 AM MST up reply actions  

you don't need the links?

Please don’t respond with “I DON’T GET IT LOL” and then refuse to educate yourself.

wRC+ and OPS+ are insanely simple.

They are park adjusted, and 100 = Average.

Above 100 = Above Average (105 wRC+/OPS+ = 5% above average)

Below 100 = Below Average (95 wRC+/OPS+ = 5% BELOW average)

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by Andrew Martin on Dec 2, 2011 11:54 AM MST up reply actions  

maybe I just need to go in and bookmark every single one of them. Get on a horse and learn this stuff.

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 11:55 AM MST up reply actions  

He literally just explained it to you.

That’s it. That’s all there is to two of the better offensive metrics out there

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by Muzia on Dec 2, 2011 11:56 AM MST up reply actions  

Everything except what the batter is above or below average at...

if you don’t know what wRC+ and OPS+ are attempting to measure, the explanation still translates from Greek into Greek…

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by Junction Rox on Dec 2, 2011 12:00 PM MST up reply actions  

Runs created in wRC+

are all of the things a batter does including stealing bases. OPS+ is on base plus slugging percentage adjusted for parks

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by TomCat009 on Dec 2, 2011 12:06 PM MST up reply actions  

I know, just pointing out that the explanation probably assumed a little bit...

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by Junction Rox on Dec 2, 2011 12:14 PM MST up reply actions  

And the bookmarks are right there in his signature...

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by Junction Rox on Dec 2, 2011 11:57 AM MST up reply actions  

I nkow. COmputer has a bunch of bookmarks already

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 11:57 AM MST up reply actions  

then don't bookmark them

just read them, and any time you need a refresher, click on the links in my sig

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by Andrew Martin on Dec 2, 2011 12:11 PM MST up reply actions  

I had that problem.

But once I realized more than half of them took me to the same place, I was able to clear a bunch out.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 2, 2011 12:14 PM MST up reply actions  

so, are the park factors already there or do they change?

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 11:58 AM MST up reply actions  

That is something I think about too

how the exact same park can flucuate wildly based on different players playing there

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by TomCat009 on Dec 2, 2011 12:07 PM MST up reply actions  

They're already included

and yes, they do change, but typically park effects are measured over a few years to make sure that there isn’t just one crazy year that messes up the adjustments.

Like, if I have a batter who has the following AVGs over 4 seasons: .271, .311, .272, .269. Would you say he’s a .311 hitter, or more of a .270-.280ish hitter? Probably the latter, right? Because you average out his numbers to try and get a look at the bigger picture.

They do the same thing with park effects. If Dodger Stadium plays as a pitcher’s park in 2008, pitchers in 2009, massively hitter’s in 2010, and back to pitchers in 2011, do you think it’s a pitcher’s park or a hitter’s park? Probably a pitcher’s park.

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by Andrew Martin on Dec 2, 2011 12:14 PM MST up reply actions  

true but it is the same park so hitters

will get hurt in WAR because of that anomaly

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by TomCat009 on Dec 2, 2011 12:16 PM MST up reply actions  

That's a crowded outfield

They can’t possibly have room for Stanton. They’d better trade him over here. We’ll send back a shiny Seth Smith and $2M – go buy yourselves something nice.

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by Andrew Martin on Dec 2, 2011 11:49 AM MST up reply actions  

Pastel everything!!!

Seriously, every photo out of Miami in the last month indicates those people really should not be trusted with an extra $2 right now, let alone $2 million…

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by Junction Rox on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

I know you're joking and all

But that was a very contradictory post :P

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110% FOR it.

Somebody said that about a month ago, and I’ve been wanting that ever since.

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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 2, 2011 10:07 AM MST up reply actions  

The 2nd question is

is he a good 2 hole hitter, because, well, you know why

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 2, 2011 10:09 AM MST up reply actions  

Great article, Andrew.

I think I’ve had a similar path regarding stats. FWIW, last year CDI avoided outs in 37% of his plate appearances, third best on the team behind arguably the two best players in franchise history.

by RoxnSox09 on Dec 2, 2011 9:51 AM MST reply actions   1 recs

I too have become a huge CDI fan...

I guess it’s because of his quiet demeanor,hard work ethic, and that shy smile he always displayed whenever he didn’t have his game face on. I still will proudly wear the #20 jersey and cheer him loudly during his first at bat at the upcoming Angels game.

The best of luck to you Chris and may you keep mowin’ ’em down stealing second, (except the Rox of course).

Great article Andrew.

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by Roxman on Dec 2, 2011 10:17 AM MST via mobile reply actions  

Good news it seems
Nicasio, who has been throwing in the Dominican Republic, is currently expected to compete for a rotation spot in spring training without restrictions. De La Rosa, who underwent elbow surgery, remains on track to return in May or early June.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 2, 2011 10:26 AM MST reply actions   2 recs

That is awesome

Hope he is good enough to rejoin the starting rotation.

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by Thnikkaman on Dec 2, 2011 10:26 AM MST up reply actions  

AWESOME! REC'D x10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 times

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 10:40 AM MST up reply actions  

Oh I wish I could

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 10:42 AM MST up reply actions  

Of course you can

you just unflec and re-flec.

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Just don't rec yourself in public..

Or you’ll be shamed for it.

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by Charlie77 on Dec 2, 2011 1:21 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Do you mean flec yourself in public?

I think you can get arrested.

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by Thnikkaman on Dec 2, 2011 1:22 PM MST up reply actions  

I would never rec myself in public

Now fleccing…….

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by SDcat09 on Dec 2, 2011 2:03 PM MST up reply actions  

Why isn't this green yet?

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 11:49 AM MST up reply actions  

googooplex? This should be in the dictionary

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 11:53 AM MST up reply actions  

I lose

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ytCEuuW2_A

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 11:57 AM MST up reply actions  

Not ripe.

Filling up your senses like a night in the forest since 1992.

by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 2, 2011 11:51 AM MST up reply actions  

it's not THAT good, really

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by papality on Dec 2, 2011 12:02 PM MST up reply actions  

You should have topped that Piazza with some link sausage.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 2, 2011 2:49 PM MST up reply actions  

Because its toooooooo big,.

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by Thnikkaman on Dec 2, 2011 12:03 PM MST up reply actions  

/smh

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by SDcat09 on Dec 2, 2011 2:50 PM MST up reply actions  

Here

"Some guy on the net thinks I suck, and he should know - he's got his own blog." - Nick Hornby
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 2, 2011 10:32 AM MST up reply actions  

Juan Nicasio has a Chuck Norris carpet in his living room

Chuck Norris isn’t dead, he is just afraid to move.

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by Thnikkaman on Dec 2, 2011 10:34 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Nickname rating: 9

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 2, 2011 10:34 AM MST up reply actions  

Would be very cool if Nicasio could somehow start the home opener

That would make even the drunkest, most disinterested Coors Field crowd of the season take notice – maybe.

by Northsider1964 on Dec 2, 2011 10:29 AM MST up reply actions  

i doubt many know who he is

now, if that millwood character were still around…

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by papality on Dec 2, 2011 10:38 AM MST up reply actions  

Heeeeyyyyyyy......

I may be drunk, but dammit, I’m interested.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 2, 2011 10:43 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

I love this guy

I really do.

He’s gonna be my new sentimental favorite.

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by Andrew Martin on Dec 2, 2011 11:54 AM MST up reply actions  

Viva La Violencia!

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by glaucophane on Dec 2, 2011 4:18 PM MST up reply actions  

Also, I posted a new FP fanshot with a juicy Rockies rumor.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 2, 2011 10:32 AM MST reply actions  

I think I'd like that move.

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by Thnikkaman on Dec 2, 2011 10:38 AM MST up reply actions  

Obviously tough to know of the $ involved

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 2, 2011 10:39 AM MST up reply actions  

Totally.

He looks like he has a great Fielding % and if his skills translate here, would be a shoe-in to hit at #2.

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by Thnikkaman on Dec 2, 2011 10:40 AM MST up reply actions  

of course he'd hit second

that’s where the second baseman hits

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by papality on Dec 2, 2011 10:41 AM MST up reply actions  

that's the big question, though

Will his skills translate over here?

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by Muzia on Dec 2, 2011 10:41 AM MST up reply actions  

How does he compare to Nishioka?

Because that wasn’t a particularly successful transition.

by Shoemaker on Dec 2, 2011 10:42 AM MST up reply actions  

not hot on imports

at least we wouldn’t have to deal with a posting bid

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by papality on Dec 2, 2011 10:39 AM MST up reply actions  

Morosi and Renck put the kabosh on that quickly

God love hot stove season

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 2, 2011 10:44 AM MST up reply actions  

Very good read, Andrew. I really enjoyed that.

The final thing we need, though, is an epic poem that we can pass down to our descendants to tell the tale of the Great Catching War.

by evers44 on Dec 2, 2011 10:38 AM MST reply actions  

Thanks!

Yes, I will find an ancient Anglo-Saxon poet to document the epic tale of Iannettowulf.

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by Andrew Martin on Dec 2, 2011 11:59 AM MST up reply actions  

I'm not Anglo-Saxon poet, but I can totally see this.

Yorvit Torrealba is Grendel

Miguel Olivo is Grendel’s Mother

Jim Tracy is the Dragon, the foe Iannettowulf could not truly defeat.

by Shoemaker on Dec 2, 2011 12:02 PM MST up reply actions  

Oh wow

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by Muzia on Dec 2, 2011 12:03 PM MST up reply actions  

Iannettowulf. Love it

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 12:05 PM MST up reply actions  

is Yorvit the Grendel related to Yasmani Grandal?

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by TomCat009 on Dec 2, 2011 12:08 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

You my friend have been comissioned.

Just don’t write that part where he fights naked. That was weird.

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by Andrew Martin on Dec 2, 2011 12:15 PM MST up reply actions  

o.0

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by papality on Dec 2, 2011 12:17 PM MST up reply actions  

NERD!

"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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by Resolution on Dec 2, 2011 12:17 PM MST up reply actions  

Ianettowulf needs no such paltry steel.

He beats monsters to death with his bare hands.

Hence his high slugging percentage.

by Shoemaker on Dec 2, 2011 12:19 PM MST up reply actions  

if you've seen the movie

there’ll always be a sword or candle in its way.

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by Andrew Martin on Dec 2, 2011 12:30 PM MST up reply actions  

How is this not green?

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by SDcat09 on Dec 2, 2011 12:35 PM MST up reply actions  

If Iannettowulf is fighting naked

I think we need to know this. I mean it is part of the lore no?

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by SDcat09 on Dec 2, 2011 12:35 PM MST up reply actions  

ah, crap. catcher.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 2, 2011 12:06 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm sad that nobody thought of Iannetowulf when he was here.

That is the best nickname.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 2, 2011 12:36 PM MST up reply actions  

bench players don't deserve nicknames, Cat

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by Muzia on Dec 2, 2011 12:37 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Now, Torrealbawulf, that has a ring to it.

Yeah, let’s just scrap this Iannettowulf thing and go with that.

FISTPUMPZ

by Rox Girl on Dec 2, 2011 12:39 PM MST up reply actions  

LOL that is kind of awesome

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by SDcat09 on Dec 2, 2011 12:40 PM MST up reply actions  

Wolfin Rosario

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by Muzia on Dec 2, 2011 12:41 PM MST up reply actions  

lets work something about his hips in there

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by papality on Dec 2, 2011 12:41 PM MST up reply actions  

hehe....

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by SDcat09 on Dec 2, 2011 12:42 PM MST up reply actions  

They don't lie...

We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!

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by Junction Rox on Dec 2, 2011 12:43 PM MST up reply actions  

But but we named him Doom and Dreamy

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by SDcat09 on Dec 2, 2011 12:39 PM MST up reply actions  

and he got traded

see what we did?

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by papality on Dec 2, 2011 12:40 PM MST up reply actions  

Dammit. Bad Purple Row. Bad.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 2, 2011 12:41 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

lol

DOD said that allowed as he signed off on the trade

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by Resolution on Dec 2, 2011 12:43 PM MST up reply actions  

"hey jim, you should see some of the stuff they write about you on here...

…er on second thought, maybe not…"

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by papality on Dec 2, 2011 12:47 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm giving this a shot

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 2, 2011 8:38 PM MST up reply actions  

Far from perfect but

Fanposted anyway

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 3, 2011 3:57 AM MST up reply actions  

Speaking of Japanese players.

That 2nd baseman that the Twins signed last year. They are, according to what I’ve saw, trying to shop him around. I don’t have a link or anything like that. Saw it on TV a couple of weeks back.
Yay——Nay?

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 10:48 AM MST reply actions  

2B not named Herrera, Young or Nelson?

I vote in the affirmative…

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by Junction Rox on Dec 2, 2011 12:04 PM MST up reply actions  

Ubaldo and Pagz together again

#Indians sign Matt Pagnozzi,

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 10:50 AM MST reply actions  

Welp there goes the HAR :(

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by SDcat09 on Dec 2, 2011 10:53 AM MST up reply actions  

Flecworthy post

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by SDcat09 on Dec 2, 2011 2:03 PM MST up reply actions  

Addition by subtraction?

Maths!

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by SDcat09 on Dec 2, 2011 4:43 PM MST up reply actions  

Was there any interest in Capuano on the PR?

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 10:51 AM MST reply actions  

Not anymore for me

a few years ago, sure

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by jrockies on Dec 2, 2011 5:59 PM MST up reply actions  

Whoa whoa whoa

Blake DeWitt for Stewart??!

"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"

/it is a new beginning, right?

by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 2, 2011 10:51 AM MST via mobile reply actions  

Unless you mean match as in setting it on fire..

Bleh do not want..

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by SDcat09 on Dec 2, 2011 10:54 AM MST up reply actions  

OT: Crazy crazy weather. Lets go play some golf.

137 mph wind gust in steamboat springs, co? The winds shut down the ski mountain!

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 10:55 AM MST reply actions  

Troy Renck of the Denver Post reports that the Rockies are interested in bringing back free agent starter Jeff Francis.

Honestly, I was happy to let him go. If ever there was an argument placing a high value WAR, I’d cite Francis as my proof. I know maybe will disagree but that’s just my opinion on the guy at this point.

by Adam2011 on Dec 2, 2011 10:59 AM MST reply actions  

Keith Law agrees with you

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 2, 2011 11:00 AM MST up reply actions  

Its a Rule of Law

Whatever he thinks, expect the opposite to be true, except in matters involving Jim Tracy

It's Jim Tracy's Fault.

by wolf213 on Dec 2, 2011 12:04 PM MST up reply actions  

Especially given that it's implied that he's who we're going after instead of Roy Oswalt.

It might just be me, but it seems that the two aren’t quite at the same tier when it comes to skill level.

by Rox Girl on Dec 2, 2011 11:23 AM MST up reply actions  

Roy O in traction for his failing back

is better than Francis at this point in Francis’ career

by maris61 on Dec 2, 2011 11:36 AM MST up reply actions  

I'm resolved

to just sit back and wait, regardless of the moves. Readjusting to the old “no expectations” Rockies mentality. Its hard, and my Rocktober banner tacked to my wall here above my desk makes it harder…

by Teekalong on Dec 2, 2011 11:49 AM MST up reply actions  

There's still a lot of pitching out there though

We have time.

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by MattBerger on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM MST up reply actions  

I would rather have Millwood in the opening day rotation than Francis

Simply because there’s no emotional attachment to Millwood. If he stinks, he leaves. There’s no p—-ing away 2/3 of a season and burning up the bullpen waiting for him to regain the form he hasn’t shown in 3+ years.

by Northsider1964 on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM MST up reply actions  

I like Millwood.

I liked when we signed him last year. Most everyone disagreed, he did ok and yea, I grabbed him in fantasy. Only thing that hurt me was the homers he gave up.

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 12:07 PM MST up reply actions  

Millwood is Pyrite

Do not want.

It's Jim Tracy's Fault.

by wolf213 on Dec 2, 2011 12:20 PM MST up reply actions  

Especially DINGERZpyrite

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by SDcat09 on Dec 2, 2011 12:37 PM MST up reply actions  

wait, the Rockies never do that

There’s never a bait-and-switch with player acquisitions.

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by Andrew Martin on Dec 2, 2011 12:00 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

nev... cough.., ne...

Okay, I can’t quite do this with a straight face. Let me try again:

Ne…

by Rox Girl on Dec 2, 2011 12:02 PM MST up reply actions  

Come on, you can do it

Ty Wigginton was TOTALLY what we meant when we said we wanted Josh Willin- snortcoughsputter

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by Andrew Martin on Dec 2, 2011 12:06 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

"If ever there was an argument placing a high value WAR"

Meant to say “If ever there was an argument against placing a high value on WAR”

by Adam2011 on Dec 2, 2011 11:05 AM MST reply actions  

Depending on what we are offering I would love to have Francis back

especially if DLR is back in early May. Anything to avoid ruining a group of young pitchers, having Francis means only picking the one who is the most ready of White, Chatwood, Friedrich, Gardner, or Bettis and trading Esmil for what ever we can get.

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by TomCat009 on Dec 2, 2011 11:09 AM MST up reply actions  

so if we get Francis.

Then at the end of May. We will have 3 lefties in the rotation?

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 11:11 AM MST up reply actions  

I'm beginning to doubt that Pomeranz will be in the rotation until midseason

unless he absolutely annihilates AA.

Which is very possible; I just don’t think the Rockies will rush him at all.

by Shoemaker on Dec 2, 2011 11:13 AM MST up reply actions  

then why in the world did they rush him so quick last year?

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 11:14 AM MST up reply actions  

I didn't consider it "rushing."

It was getting him a cup of coffee in the major leagues.

Most out-of-contention teams do it in September with prospects that are fairly close to the show.

by Shoemaker on Dec 2, 2011 11:16 AM MST up reply actions  

it was in September?

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by Muzia on Dec 2, 2011 11:16 AM MST up reply actions  

Yes. I was there for his 2nd start.

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Get well soon Juan.

by Thnikkaman on Dec 2, 2011 11:17 AM MST up reply actions  

Jealous!

I really wanted to go to one.

by Shoemaker on Dec 2, 2011 11:18 AM MST up reply actions  

It was my first game.

I hope to get to another game in 2012.

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by Thnikkaman on Dec 2, 2011 11:20 AM MST up reply actions  

I went to his debut on Sept 11

and caught a Tommy Field fly ball. Awesome day

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by Muzia on Dec 2, 2011 11:21 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

What is making you suddenly question this?

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by jrockies on Dec 2, 2011 6:01 PM MST up reply actions  

OT: This is crazy big.

http://gizmodo.com/5864195/the-worlds-biggest-insect-is-so-freaking-huge-it-can-eat-a-carrot

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 11:19 AM MST reply actions  

So is Ian the next lovefest on here now the CDI is gone?

How many years do we need to see him hit .189 to realize he is a AAAA player???

by Roxfan24 on Dec 2, 2011 11:27 AM MST reply actions  

Personally, we have suffered enough already.

Get him outta here

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 11:28 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

well I've sat through the last 3.

The entire NL and my 10year old son all know he swing at back foot sliders. EVERYTIME.

by Roxfan24 on Dec 2, 2011 11:35 AM MST up reply actions  

Possibly, it's always going to be tricky to give up on homegrown players.

Most fans like stability only a little less than they like winning. I’m guessing you won’t see as much sadness about Stewart getting traded as you did with Iannetta, as he’s not been as valuable, what you see above is mostly just wanting to get a fair trade for what he is. If you remember Blake Dewitt’s days from the Dodgers at all, you will know that Dewitt is a step down from Ian.

by Rox Girl on Dec 2, 2011 11:32 AM MST up reply actions  

I want NO part of dewitt.

I’d rather play Nelson/herrera etc and if Arenado is hot in the minors bring him up in June isf we are worried about his clock starting.

by Roxfan24 on Dec 2, 2011 11:38 AM MST up reply actions  

No to Dewitt

No to Nelson and Herrera as starters as well though. IMO.

by Adam2011 on Dec 2, 2011 11:46 AM MST up reply actions  

Just say no

Might be a good 2012 motto. But I agree with you.

The Resurrected Stewart or Arenado, depending on ST performance.

by maris61 on Dec 2, 2011 11:48 AM MST up reply actions  

Domo Arigato, Nolan Arenado

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by Muzia on Dec 2, 2011 11:32 AM MST up reply actions  

Domo

Filling up your senses like a night in the forest since 1992.

by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 2, 2011 11:34 AM MST up reply actions  

before?

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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 2, 2011 11:38 AM MST up reply actions  

I was trying to be kind to mt favorite high school band.

Dennis pretty much held the rest at gunpoint to make that album. I listened to it once and barely made it through.

by Roxfan24 on Dec 2, 2011 11:39 AM MST up reply actions  

I loved it

but then again I was like 7 so crap was right in my wheelhouse.

When Styx jumped the shark, Mr. Roboto was driving the boat.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 2, 2011 11:41 AM MST up reply actions  

It was 79-82

I realize you were probably to young It was a phase fortunately there was a topical ointment and it went away. Also I found punk.

by Roxfan24 on Dec 2, 2011 11:47 AM MST up reply actions  

Is there some world in which Styx was ever good?

If so, I want it destroyed.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 2, 2011 11:44 AM MST up reply actions  

^4

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by Muzia on Dec 2, 2011 11:44 AM MST up reply actions  

The jig is up?

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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 2, 2011 11:53 AM MST up reply actions  

The news is out?

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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 2, 2011 11:55 AM MST up reply actions  

You renegade

you had it made…

We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!

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by Junction Rox on Dec 2, 2011 12:10 PM MST up reply actions  

come sail away

hang man is coming down from the gallows and I dont have very long……

Awwwwwwwwwww. renegade. best intro ever

commence making out in a port-a-pott ywith 50 something ex-groupie who still fits in her leather pants fromthe 80’s…..

EPIC

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by El Paso Jeff on Dec 2, 2011 12:14 PM MST up reply actions  

You’re a strange dude, El Paso Jeff.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 2, 2011 12:15 PM MST up reply actions  

It was the best of times

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by SDcat09 on Dec 2, 2011 12:38 PM MST up reply actions  

It was the worst of times

We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!

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by Junction Rox on Dec 2, 2011 12:43 PM MST up reply actions  

it IS still 2011...

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by papality on Dec 2, 2011 12:44 PM MST up reply actions  

Too true...sigh.

I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.

by prettyinpurple on Dec 2, 2011 1:39 PM MST up reply actions  

Come on Babe

Don’t let it end.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 2, 2011 12:47 PM MST up reply actions  

Glad I didn't go to Mt. Favorite high school...

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by Junction Rox on Dec 2, 2011 12:08 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

bahaaaha

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by Muzia on Dec 2, 2011 12:17 PM MST up reply actions  

well Halftime at the football games would have rocked hard up until about ’81.

But it would have been weird with the band geeks getting all the cheerleaders.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 2, 2011 12:17 PM MST up reply actions  

Nothing else needs to be said.

I’m confused(whats new). What is this Domo Arigato?

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 11:34 AM MST up reply actions  

Coolest song ever.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 2, 2011 11:35 AM MST up reply actions  

(secret secret, you’ve got a secret)

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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 2, 2011 11:39 AM MST up reply actions  

Ok, that's not funny. LOL Rec'd

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 12:14 PM MST up reply actions  

The problem's plain to see...

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by Junction Rox on Dec 2, 2011 12:10 PM MST up reply actions  

Well, I don't think anyone's written about Stewart as much as I have about Iannetta

Well, maybe Fisher.

Furthermore, seeing how Stewart has hit below .189 once, and that was 2011, so apparently the answer is more than “1”.

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by Andrew Martin on Dec 2, 2011 12:08 PM MST up reply actions  

And that was more about what was wrong with him than any amount of praise

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 2, 2011 12:15 PM MST up reply actions  

Also his 2008-10 line of

.246/.334/.454 was better the .257/.317/.387 line NL 3B posted last year so it isn’t like he is useless

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by TomCat009 on Dec 2, 2011 12:18 PM MST up reply actions  

That was pretty much my arguemt

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 2, 2011 12:21 PM MST up reply actions  

but considering the set up somewhat understandable

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by TomCat009 on Dec 2, 2011 12:40 PM MST up reply actions  

OT: Sort of. Its interesting

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/mlb/story/_/id/7306981/magic-johnson-part-group-wants-purchase-los-angeles-dodgers

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 11:39 AM MST reply actions  

Speaking of the Dodgers they signed Capuano to a 2/10 deal, not bad

Capuano reminds me of a more injury prone Ted Lilly

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by MattBerger on Dec 2, 2011 11:40 AM MST up reply actions  

I knew he has signed.

Just didn’t know where he signed and for how much.

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 11:41 AM MST up reply actions  

I'm stunned Capuano got a 2 year deal

I’m not sure what LA is doing right now

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by Muzia on Dec 2, 2011 11:41 AM MST up reply actions  

They have to backload everything...

you can’t really do that on a one year contract.

by Rox Girl on Dec 2, 2011 11:42 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

After signing Adam Kennedy recently

They’re trying to lead the league in has-beens

by maris61 on Dec 2, 2011 11:43 AM MST up reply actions  

They just signed Capuano.

They are trying to lead the league in never-weres

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 2, 2011 11:51 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

i'm not

3.67 xFIP, 3.60 SIERA

prone to flyballs, so i didn’t want him for us, but that’s a good pickup for the dodgers

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by papality on Dec 2, 2011 12:07 PM MST up reply actions  

There are things the spreadsheet can't know, but the rest of us should...

Capuano would be a prime example of this. There’s a whole ton of risk in that signing, even if he’s a solid pitcher when healthy.

by Rox Girl on Dec 2, 2011 12:08 PM MST up reply actions  

via Twitter
Capuano OPS by count 1-25: .742, 26-50: .612, 51-75: .822, 76-100: .950 #5inningguy

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by Muzia on Dec 2, 2011 12:19 PM MST up reply actions  

sounds like jason hammel

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by papality on Dec 2, 2011 12:20 PM MST up reply actions  

IIRC, Hammel has that same drop between pitches 51-75, but then magically gets better if he makes it past 75+

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by Muzia on Dec 2, 2011 12:22 PM MST up reply actions  

it suggests

that when he’s on, he on.

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by Resolution on Dec 2, 2011 12:22 PM MST up reply actions  

actually...

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=hammeja01&year=Career&t=p#pitco::none

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by papality on Dec 2, 2011 12:23 PM MST up reply actions  

I knew it was something odd like that

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by Muzia on Dec 2, 2011 12:26 PM MST up reply actions  

not as good as Kuroda, though.

Their rotation will be weaker heading into the season, depending on how quickly Rubby De La Rosa matures.

by Rox Girl on Dec 2, 2011 11:41 AM MST up reply actions  

Speaking of Kuroda

Reports are saying that L.A. won’t be able to resign him. I’d love to see us make a bid.

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by Thnikkaman on Dec 2, 2011 11:43 AM MST up reply actions  

Hivemind. I was just going to mention us signing him

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 11:43 AM MST up reply actions  

The Angels really ought to make a push, San Diego and Seattle for that matter

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by TomCat009 on Dec 2, 2011 11:44 AM MST up reply actions  

Aren't the Angels pushing hard for CJ Wilson at this point?

I can’t imagine them signing both, though if they did, that probably gives them the best rotation in the AL

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by MattBerger on Dec 2, 2011 11:48 AM MST up reply actions  

I know they "checked in" on Kuroda

Wilson’s a step up, but I think they’d like depth beyond Jerome Williams.

by Rox Girl on Dec 2, 2011 11:50 AM MST up reply actions  

I’ll take Kurudo for a season or two over CJ wilson for 6 years, $100 minute in a second.

by Adam2011 on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM MST up reply actions  

Unless the Nationals sign him

Wilson isn’t getting more than Lackey and Burnett.

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by MattBerger on Dec 2, 2011 12:02 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah I kind of figured it would be between those two

I highly doubt the Angels will match the National’s offer

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by MattBerger on Dec 2, 2011 2:14 PM MST up reply actions  

Healthier

"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides

by TomCat009 on Dec 2, 2011 12:11 PM MST up reply actions  

didn't Rubby undergo TJ surgery last fall?

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by Muzia on Dec 2, 2011 11:43 AM MST up reply actions  

matures/recovers...

same difference. I think a lot of Dodgers fans are expecting him back early.

by Rox Girl on Dec 2, 2011 11:45 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

2013 is a much more likely timeframe though

their OD 2012 rotation doesn’t look great outside of Kershaw

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by Muzia on Dec 2, 2011 11:46 AM MST up reply actions  

But it's solid

Besides Eovaldi each of those starters are pretty consistently making quality starts taking pressure off of the bullpen, that’s still valuable

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by MattBerger on Dec 2, 2011 11:51 AM MST up reply actions  

Capuano's had two TJ surgeries already

Lilly pitched on a team that included Maddux. Mike Maddux, he’s going to be on the wrong side of 35 come 2012. Billingsley hasn’t matured as expected and has been going down in IP each of the last four seasons. Kershaw’s going to win a few more Cy Youngs, probably, but the rest of that rotation is looking a whole lot more iffy than it was a year ago.

by Rox Girl on Dec 2, 2011 11:57 AM MST up reply actions  

Yep. If they don't sign any impact free agents this offseason (and they likely won't)

their team strengths can be listed as:

Matt Kemp
Clayton Kershaw

Two fantastic players with essentially nothing to back them up

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by Muzia on Dec 2, 2011 12:02 PM MST up reply actions  

Manny Ramirez guides the team like a warm and friendly ghost.

"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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by Resolution on Dec 2, 2011 12:03 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Guides them where?

The off-season sucks.
That is all.

by DAWNMARIE01 on Dec 2, 2011 3:37 PM MST up reply actions  

To historic wild-card clinches on the last day of the season over the BoSox (whom he presumably guides like a cold and unfriendly ghost)

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by Resolution on Dec 2, 2011 4:15 PM MST up reply actions  

aaaaaaand I realized I was talking about the Dodgers in that original quote. to your point, he guides them (ie the Dodgers) nowhere in particular.

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by Resolution on Dec 2, 2011 4:16 PM MST up reply actions  

sounds like Manny

The off-season sucks.
That is all.

by DAWNMARIE01 on Dec 2, 2011 4:32 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Does this have a familiar look to the Rockies.

Tulo and Cargo

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 12:08 PM MST up reply actions  

fowler, pomeranz, betancourt, helton, chacin

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by papality on Dec 2, 2011 12:09 PM MST up reply actions  

ok, that came out wrong.

They have their 2 big superstars. We have 2 big superstars. We may have a better supporting cast but. Pomeranz and Chacin are not Kershaw. Fowler isn’t Kemp, but Kemp isn’t Tulo or Cargo. Ok, Im confusing myself.

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 12:12 PM MST up reply actions  

their rotation for next year is likely more consistent than ours

that being said, I really like ours from July on

I like our BP better, too. And we actually have more than one outfielder

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by Muzia on Dec 2, 2011 12:20 PM MST up reply actions  

hey ethier is

uh…. a warm body….

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by papality on Dec 2, 2011 12:21 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Wow

that seems eerily familiar.

/2011

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by jrockies on Dec 2, 2011 6:07 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah

Eovaldi will likely pitch in his place until De la Rosa comes back

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by MattBerger on Dec 2, 2011 11:45 AM MST up reply actions  

He was who I was thinking of/meaning...

off the cuff brain lapses are too frequent for me, I need more elk meat.

by Rox Girl on Dec 2, 2011 11:46 AM MST up reply actions  

I like this picture

http://pic.twitter.com/jHU6T6Bv

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 11:45 AM MST reply actions  

Will you give up all your wieners for him?

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by Thnikkaman on Dec 2, 2011 12:23 PM MST up reply actions  

Done

Avalance 2011-12 season, Mission 45 Wins.
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by Thnikkaman on Dec 2, 2011 12:31 PM MST up reply actions  

Isn't he a free agent after this year?

If so, giving up our future for one potential season of him is a risky proposition. Same gamble as trading for David Wright presented but Youk at least has produced at a higher level the past couple seasons. I’d be open to the idea but I think the price would be too high.

by Adam2011 on Dec 2, 2011 12:46 PM MST up reply actions  

couple running jokes to be aware of:

the Rox should always trade for Youk.

also, since Roy Halladay is from here, the Rockies should sign him because he’d be willing to petition MLB to waive the league minimum just so he could pitch here.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 2, 2011 1:32 PM MST up reply actions  

Good to know

Wish I knew that sooner ;)

by Adam2011 on Dec 2, 2011 1:34 PM MST up reply actions  

But we don't have Alan Johnson as trade bait anymore.

It will never ever work now.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 2, 2011 2:04 PM MST up reply actions  

Milwaukee looking into Aramis Ramirez

If they get him, Cae McGehee should probably be available and could be a decent buy-low candidate.

by Adam2011 on Dec 2, 2011 12:48 PM MST reply actions  

i mentioned him earlier in the offseason to little fanfare

still think it’d be a good move

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by papality on Dec 2, 2011 12:49 PM MST up reply actions  

I wouldn't be opposed

especially if he didn’t require a big investment.

I’m sorry I couldn’t provide the fanfare. My trumpet is in the shop…

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by Junction Rox on Dec 2, 2011 12:51 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

I like McGehee

in the same way I like Stewart.. Kind of repetitive, IMO

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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 2, 2011 1:21 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

me likee

casey mcgehee…

I would not be averse. But he might block this guy we like. ian stweart

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by El Paso Jeff on Dec 2, 2011 2:03 PM MST up reply actions  

McGehee and Me

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 2, 2011 3:29 PM MST up reply actions  

who you talkin bout - Willis?

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 2, 2011 5:39 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

I miss Destructobeam :-(

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by Resolution on Dec 2, 2011 1:55 PM MST reply actions  

Destructobeam? Who was that?

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by SDcat09 on Dec 2, 2011 2:04 PM MST up reply actions  

I remember when we here at Purple Row nicknamed him Doom, Dreamy, and DestructoBeam simultaneously, because Domenic just wasn’t interesting enough.

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by Resolution on Dec 2, 2011 2:05 PM MST up reply actions  

source?

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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 2, 2011 2:06 PM MST up reply actions  

source

"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker

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by Resolution on Dec 2, 2011 2:12 PM MST up reply actions  

you can see the trade negotiations here

The guy all in black is Jerry Dipoto. The people saying they don’t have a Destructobeam is clearly DOD et al.

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by Resolution on Dec 2, 2011 2:17 PM MST up reply actions  

Ah sorry thanks

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by SDcat09 on Dec 2, 2011 2:22 PM MST up reply actions  

z'd right past it, eh

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by papality on Dec 2, 2011 2:23 PM MST up reply actions  

twas quite the gilded age I must say

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by Resolution on Dec 2, 2011 2:13 PM MST up reply actions  

You have no idea.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 2, 2011 3:00 PM MST up reply actions  

Iannetta signed my hat in Spring Training a couple years ago

I also have a shirsey of his. Bummer to see him go. I hope he mashes next year.

by squalene203 on Dec 2, 2011 3:25 PM MST reply actions  

You could always hope we sign a guy with the same last name

Like Smith, Jones, Lee, Young…I’m sure it could happen with Iannetta

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 2, 2011 3:30 PM MST up reply actions  

my hat is signed by

Smith, Spilly, Helton, Francis, Ubaldo, Iannetta and Stewart. I can’t believe Helton might actually be the last to hang up his Rox jersey

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 2, 2011 5:00 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

it was signed in 09 I believe, so if its lethal, its like death by heavy metal poisoning

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 2, 2011 5:18 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

dude being poisoned by heavy metal is like the most metal thing ever.

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by Resolution on Dec 2, 2011 5:21 PM MST up reply actions  

That's heavy, man.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 2, 2011 5:21 PM MST up reply actions  

Nothing on Cuban bidding for the Dodgers?

All right—let me start…

If he wins that auction, we can all start rooting for WCs at best every year, because the NL West will belong to the Dogs year-in and year-out until they’re sold. I get that it would be good for MLB as a whole, but we’ll be wishing we’d been moved to the AL West instead of the Lastros.

by Chrysicat on Dec 2, 2011 3:32 PM MST reply actions  

Shoot me.

I want to punch Mark Cuban in the face on a regular basis.

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 2, 2011 3:36 PM MST up reply actions  

I see your point

But how would one team owning a division year-in and year-out be good for MLB as a whole? Maybe in terms of TV ratings, but otherwise I can’t see it as a good thing.

I miss the magic. (h/t papality)

by rockhead on Dec 2, 2011 3:37 PM MST up reply actions  

I 'unno--ask the MFY.

They do it in the AL East, and the years that they or the Sox didn’t make the playoffs were enough to make MLB expand them…

by Chrysicat on Dec 2, 2011 3:46 PM MST up reply actions  

Dynasties are generally a good thing

for the league – I’m talking about decade or half-decade dominance, not like what we’ve seen with the Yankees. That’s just too much.

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 2, 2011 4:24 PM MST up reply actions  

I can mostly agree with this

5-6 years of a dominant team isn’t necessarily a bad thing. But I think that any more than that would dampen fan interest of division rivals. Also, I would freaking hate to be looking up at the Dogs for the next 10 years.

I miss the magic. (h/t papality)

by rockhead on Dec 2, 2011 4:39 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Exactly

A period of dominance can carry fan interest through the times when they’re, well, kinda sucky. What’s bad for baseball is when teams like the Orioles and Pirates are bad for so so so so long.

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 2, 2011 5:02 PM MST up reply actions  

Coming on after one of the most watched shows in the history of television helped,

as did Lorenzo Lamas, but yeah, lots of people watched Falcon Crest, my mom included.

by Rox Girl on Dec 3, 2011 6:07 AM MST up reply actions  

I did

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by SDcat09 on Dec 3, 2011 6:07 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm not quaking in my boots just yet...

He who chases two rabbits winds up with none.

It’s pretty rare that owners can carry one sport’s sustained success over to another.

by Rox Girl on Dec 2, 2011 4:23 PM MST up reply actions  

IDK...

Kroenke’s doing pretty well with the Rams.

/snicker.

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 2, 2011 4:25 PM MST up reply actions  

Was doing some tube watching.

The Red Sox is in need of a RF and possibly closer. What could we get for those 2?

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 4:43 PM MST reply actions  

I think we should trade for Youk.

Filling up your senses like a night in the forest since 1992.

by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 2, 2011 4:46 PM MST up reply actions  

I don't see Youk being worth Street and Smith

We got Arenado coming up. One year worth of Youk is not worth those 2 players. We need Smith for Prado(maybe) if ATL quits being stupid in their demands.

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 4:52 PM MST up reply actions  

I don't know how to take this comment

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 5:05 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

this comment makes it all better

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 2, 2011 5:26 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

If we don’t get Prado, it certainly will be.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 2, 2011 5:16 PM MST up reply actions  

^

That makes no sense now that the comment i was responding to is so far away.

by Adam2011 on Dec 2, 2011 5:23 PM MST up reply actions  

if it ever gets confusing, that's what the "up" button in every comment is for.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 2, 2011 5:29 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

it took me 8 months on this site to discover that

And over a year to discover the “z” trick. I was even on staff most that time

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 2, 2011 5:33 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

it probably took me twice as long to discover both. but thanks to the z button, I’ve gotten waaaaaaaay better at ignoring.

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by Resolution on Dec 2, 2011 5:48 PM MST up reply actions  

They need

an “up” hot key like the z key. Maybe w?

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by jrockies on Dec 2, 2011 6:13 PM MST up reply actions  

U must be kidding?

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by SDcat09 on Dec 2, 2011 6:16 PM MST up reply actions  

Yes?

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by SDcat09 on Dec 2, 2011 6:17 PM MST up reply actions  

Wait are you saying we can't get Youk for Smith/Street?

Or that it’s too much to give up for Youk? I’m confused.

@CentralCaliRox

by CentralCaliRox on Dec 2, 2011 5:23 PM MST up reply actions  

I think it would be too much to give up for Youk.

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 5:24 PM MST up reply actions  

He will be 33.

And you guys are worried about Willingham’s age.

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 5:27 PM MST up reply actions  

You really like Willingham.

He isn’t the best fit here at Coors.

And look at Youk’s numbers when he’s healthy. Dude is a freaking beast. No. Boston is going to want talent, top-tier talent, to get Youk.

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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 2, 2011 5:30 PM MST up reply actions  

"When he is healthy" that is the big part for me.

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 5:36 PM MST up reply actions  

the last time youk played fewer than 100 games was 2005

when he played 102 games in 2010, he was 4.1 WAR…

the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one, but trading wiggy to the phillies totally makes it okay
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by papality on Dec 2, 2011 9:03 PM MST up reply actions  

I have an old Street and Smith I would donate to the cause

1988 baseball preview. I hate to give it up, because they did the best preview mags, and now they’re gone.

But for Youk, I suppose I could make the sacrifice…

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by Junction Rox on Dec 2, 2011 10:05 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Oh boy. Per Buster Olney

Padres have interest in Oakland closer Andrew Bailey, who is likely to be traded; his market value may be at its highest now.

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 4:45 PM MST reply actions  

wow

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by TomCat009 on Dec 2, 2011 4:49 PM MST up reply actions  

that's what I thought.

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 4:53 PM MST up reply actions  

Trade for reliever + use Petco to boost value + swap at trade deadline to desperate team = profit

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by Muzia on Dec 2, 2011 5:58 PM MST up reply actions  

Good plan, to be honest.

I don’t think the Padres will, though. Bailey is expensive right now and has some health concerns. Why risk it?

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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 2, 2011 8:15 PM MST up reply actions  

Possible

this is the type of trade Beane really likes

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by jrockies on Dec 2, 2011 6:14 PM MST up reply actions  

Beane’s never been shy about how little he values the closer. Got to imagine a closer with two TJ surgeries on his resume would be no different.

by Adam2011 on Dec 2, 2011 6:20 PM MST up reply actions  

Luke Gregorson

I thought he was their closer of the future? Does SD really think they are in a position where they need to trade for a closer?

by Adam2011 on Dec 2, 2011 5:44 PM MST up reply actions  

Gregerson was injured last season I think and they lost not only Bell, but Mike Adams so they could probably use the depth…

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by Resolution on Dec 2, 2011 5:49 PM MST up reply actions  

Gregerson shouldn't be considered their future closer.

His numbers dramatically decreased last year. Not sure what to predict from him

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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 2, 2011 8:16 PM MST up reply actions  

Anyone willing to kick the tires on Jerry Hairston Jr. to play 2nd base IF the Prado thing doesn't work out?

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 4:58 PM MST reply actions  

No.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 2, 2011 5:17 PM MST up reply actions  

I have a limited willingness to kick said tires...

One year contract, less than or equal to 2011 Jose Lopez money. Nothing set in stone as far as playing time guarantees.

by Rox Girl on Dec 2, 2011 5:31 PM MST up reply actions  

I'd probably be willing to do that...

…if only because if he’s playing here, he’s not playing against us, and Hairstons—any Hairston—seem to have a special talent for killing the Rockies at the worst times.

by Chrysicat on Dec 2, 2011 6:20 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah but what if he kills us as Rockie..:(

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by SDcat09 on Dec 2, 2011 6:22 PM MST up reply actions  

Okay this is getting spooky now...

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by SDcat09 on Dec 2, 2011 6:23 PM MST up reply actions  

It's always been spooky

It’s even weirder when you think about the fact that you don’t exist…

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 2, 2011 6:24 PM MST up reply actions  

It really is.. for you.....

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by SDcat09 on Dec 2, 2011 6:25 PM MST up reply actions  

I know

What if really I’m myself AND SDcat09 in some kind of (spoiler alert) Fight Club-esque situation?

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 2, 2011 6:26 PM MST up reply actions  

The first rule of CatDoesn'tExist club

is you don’t talk about CatDoesn’tExist club.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 2, 2011 6:29 PM MST up reply actions  

Especially to your non-existent self....

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by SDcat09 on Dec 2, 2011 6:29 PM MST up reply actions  

:D

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by SDcat09 on Dec 2, 2011 6:32 PM MST up reply actions  

Okay

The only way this is going to work out is if I get to be Brad Pitt

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 2, 2011 6:33 PM MST up reply actions  

or if his wife comes along?

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 6:33 PM MST up reply actions  

What wife?

They are not technically married :)

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by SDcat09 on Dec 2, 2011 6:34 PM MST up reply actions  

then that makes it easier too...Oh nevermind.

PG rated blog

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 6:36 PM MST up reply actions  

Nope. You’re Meatloaf.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 2, 2011 6:34 PM MST up reply actions  

Now I need someone to post something to which I can respond...

that I would do anything for love, but I wouldn’t do that.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 2, 2011 6:36 PM MST up reply actions  

His name is Robert Paulson...

We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!

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by Junction Rox on Dec 2, 2011 10:09 PM MST up reply actions  

Heh.....

I would not be opposed to this plan…

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by SDcat09 on Dec 2, 2011 6:34 PM MST up reply actions  

Heh. Well played

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by SDcat09 on Dec 2, 2011 6:31 PM MST up reply actions  

Without the game threads

I don’t get nearly as many chances to post music.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 2, 2011 6:33 PM MST up reply actions  

Tell that to me

every time I go to click on “reply” but miss and listen to Go, Go Astros.

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 2, 2011 6:34 PM MST up reply actions  

You need to lay off the sauce.

They’re not THAT close.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 2, 2011 6:35 PM MST up reply actions  

I miss a mouse that works :(.....

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by SDcat09 on Dec 2, 2011 6:37 PM MST up reply actions  

MMMM, Fig Newtons.....

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by SDcat09 on Dec 2, 2011 6:43 PM MST up reply actions  

I won't tell you that I don't find him funny...I really won't

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by SDcat09 on Dec 2, 2011 6:52 PM MST up reply actions  

It's okay

Totally understandable if you don’t, actually. Sometimes I have to skip forward because he can be a little much. But when he’s on, boy is he on.

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 2, 2011 10:51 PM MST up reply actions  

Then he will be called Wiggy!

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 6:29 PM MST up reply actions  

This is going to make things interesting in the NL West.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20111202&content_id=26081504&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 4:59 PM MST reply actions  

Bhahahaha , poor Padres....:(

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by SDcat09 on Dec 2, 2011 5:01 PM MST up reply actions  

they will be poor now that he is there

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 5:05 PM MST up reply actions  

They are already poor dollars wise.

And poor as in sucky but hey we did finish ahead of them, so there’s that.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 2, 2011 5:09 PM MST up reply actions  

more poor dollars wise.

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 5:11 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm not sure they could even continue to operate if they get poorer....

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by SDcat09 on Dec 2, 2011 5:12 PM MST up reply actions  

they could always ask the MLB for money since everyone else gets some when they are in trouble

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 5:13 PM MST up reply actions  

That only happens if you're the Dodgers..

Padres will get no such favors.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 2, 2011 5:17 PM MST up reply actions  

or Rangers

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 5:18 PM MST up reply actions  

I guess on the plus side, Omar can't

waste gazillions on players that never pan out.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 2, 2011 5:12 PM MST up reply actions  

Instead he can go waste money on the Alex Cora’s of the world.

by Adam2011 on Dec 2, 2011 5:13 PM MST up reply actions  

/snort

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by SDcat09 on Dec 2, 2011 5:17 PM MST up reply actions  

Even though he was a rookie last year and did pretty good.

Danny Espinosa. 2B. As I said, rookie with the Nats having a few more years of team control. Would it worth maybe taking a chance in a trade for him?
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/e/espinda01.shtml

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 5:23 PM MST reply actions  

IF they were maybe willing to make him availible.

I very highly doubt that they do but its just a name to throw out for discussion

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 5:25 PM MST up reply actions  

I think Washington is trying to trade Ian Desmond and putting their eggs in the Espinosa/Lombardozzi boat.

by Adam2011 on Dec 2, 2011 5:26 PM MST up reply actions  

I know that no one here wants Desmond.

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 5:28 PM MST up reply actions  

Just saying that Desmond is who Washington is middle infielder that Washington is looking to trade.

by Adam2011 on Dec 2, 2011 5:29 PM MST up reply actions  

I did graduate high school

Meant to say that Desmond is the middle infielder that Washington is looking to trade.

by Adam2011 on Dec 2, 2011 5:39 PM MST up reply actions  

sweet, we can trade for all of Desmond's errors

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 2, 2011 5:28 PM MST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Totally

Who needs Tulo anyways.

by Adam2011 on Dec 2, 2011 5:30 PM MST up reply actions  

well, desmond would make less errors at second

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 2, 2011 5:34 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

The Jose Reyes experiment might argue otherwise.

by Adam2011 on Dec 2, 2011 5:37 PM MST up reply actions  

23 freaking errors!

I think Starlin Castro had 29 for the year

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 5:38 PM MST up reply actions  

I know.

I don’t see it happening. Rookie, 6th in Rookie voting, very cheap for a long time.

Unrealistic

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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 2, 2011 5:27 PM MST up reply actions  

Yea, I know. He was freaking awesome for my fantasy team.

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 5:28 PM MST up reply actions  

it would take more than its worth

He was almost ROY level last year and has 5 years of control left

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 2, 2011 5:27 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

overrated

the vance worley of 2011 rookie hitters

the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one, but trading wiggy to the phillies totally makes it okay
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by papality on Dec 2, 2011 9:05 PM MST up reply actions  

Poor Kyle :(.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 2, 2011 5:36 PM MST up reply actions  

Did he actually go to KC?

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 5:37 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeup.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 2, 2011 5:38 PM MST up reply actions  

Holy Crap.

Im a KC fan but their season is done. Not a big fan of Orton, that’s a ballsy thing to say when the majority here are Broncos fans.

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 5:39 PM MST up reply actions  

Huh? What's ballsy? The Chiefs picked him up off waivers...

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by SDcat09 on Dec 2, 2011 5:53 PM MST up reply actions  

I guess Im just being critical of the team.

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 5:58 PM MST up reply actions  

I don't think I understand.

Orton is a serviceable QB. I think it was fine for KC to claim him. I think most people here hate the Raiders and Chargers way more than the Chiefs. I know I do..LOL.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 2, 2011 6:03 PM MST up reply actions  

Well naturally as a Chiefs fan

I don’t like any other team in the division. But another way I could look at it. Thinks back to Rich Gannon and what he did when he left KC and went to Oakland.

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 6:05 PM MST up reply actions  

Better than either quarterback they had before the injury to Cassel

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by jrockies on Dec 2, 2011 6:18 PM MST up reply actions  

That's for sure.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 2, 2011 6:18 PM MST up reply actions  

well done

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 2, 2011 5:37 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

If I knew... that...

All I had to do as a quarterback was hand off the ball… I would’ve… just… handed off the ball.

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 2, 2011 5:39 PM MST up reply actions  

That really did make laugh an inordinate amount.

It’s funny cause it’s true.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 2, 2011 5:54 PM MST up reply actions  

I like the last little:

“I just wish in Denver they would have made a billboard for me.”

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 2, 2011 5:55 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm just afraid

to see what the billboards will say if the NFL figures out how to defend against the option… not that they haven’t already…

/19 points per game since Tebow started

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 2, 2011 6:00 PM MST up reply actions  

Tebow will never be thrown out of Denver.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 2, 2011 6:02 PM MST up reply actions  

We'll see..

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by SDcat09 on Dec 2, 2011 6:03 PM MST up reply actions  

Idk...

Denver fans are pretty fickle – there will always be a fanatical minority of Tebowers, but if things turn sour they’ll definitely be in the minority.

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 2, 2011 6:09 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm among those that don't currently care either way.

I’m just finding the situation pretty entertaining right now.

by holly96 on Dec 2, 2011 6:11 PM MST up reply actions  

Ooh yeah

I’m loving the ride – but the voice in the back of my head is telling me this might end very similar to the 6-0 McDaniels run.

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 2, 2011 6:13 PM MST up reply actions  

It's like we share the same brain...

(I’m sorry for that horror)…

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by SDcat09 on Dec 2, 2011 6:16 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Baha

Well in this case I hope we’re both wrong. Nothing would make me happier than to watch Tebow go on to change the game of football – I’ll eat all my words. I just don’t think it happens.

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 2, 2011 6:18 PM MST up reply actions  

Eventually someone will figure out how to defend the option.

Or you know run over our defense….

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by SDcat09 on Dec 2, 2011 6:20 PM MST up reply actions  

The option isn't really a gimmik, though.

It’s a difficult play to defend because the defense has to be incredibly disciplined every time it’s used.

Most teams don’t use it because they don’t want their quarterback to run the ball and take hits, but it’s not like the play’s continued success is pure luck.

Assuming Tebow continues to make strides as a passer (tiny though they may be) in order to punish the defense when they blitz heavily to contain the option, then it’s certainly a viable component of an NFL offense, I think.

by Shoemaker on Dec 2, 2011 6:24 PM MST up reply actions  

I agree

It needs to become a sort of hybrid, where Tebow’s actually a threat to throw and keeps the defense honest.

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 2, 2011 6:25 PM MST up reply actions  

Absolutely.

And they’re opening up the playbook on that end little by little as Tebow develops some confidence in the passing game.

I honestly think that a run-heavy, read option offense like this could be extremely effective in the NFL if Tebow’s accuracy improves to the point where the play action is a consistent threat out of it.

by Shoemaker on Dec 2, 2011 6:32 PM MST up reply actions  

I never said it was a gimmick.

It’s legitimate in college because the defenses can’t keep up for the most part.

But in the pros once they start facing much bigger, faster defensive players it’s tougher to run successfully. So far, let’s face it, we haven’t faced the best defenders in the league yet…

Time will tell….time will tell…

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by SDcat09 on Dec 2, 2011 6:28 PM MST up reply actions  

Oh, absolutely, time will definitely tell.

But I don’t think the success of the option offense in college is predicated solely upon the fact that defenses are slower in college. It presents legitimate matchup problems for a defense no matter how fast they are; if they show too much too early or get undisciplined during a play, the quarterback can read that and punish them for it.

The Jets have an excellent defense and they played the option extremely well for three quarters, but they had a discipline breakdown at the end of the game and paid for it. I’m not sure it’s such an easy thing to stop when it’s being executed at a high level.

by Shoemaker on Dec 2, 2011 6:38 PM MST up reply actions  

I think

most of Tebow’s 4th quarter magic can (so far) be attributed to this – it is tiring to play defense when every play requires you to be on your toes.

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 2, 2011 6:40 PM MST up reply actions  

also notice how effective Willis has

been in the second half, defending the run really wears on a front seven

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by TomCat009 on Dec 2, 2011 6:49 PM MST up reply actions  

I don't know SDcat

the Jets were a pretty good Defense.

It's Jim Tracy's Fault.

by wolf213 on Dec 3, 2011 8:01 AM MST up reply actions  

They were also on a short week after playing an incredibly pass-heavy offense…really hard for the defense to prepare for the different styles.

-C

It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?

by cthabeerman on Dec 3, 2011 5:34 PM MST up reply actions  

I am just going

to leave this here

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by TomCat009 on Dec 2, 2011 6:46 PM MST up reply actions  

It's been 70 years

And ain’t nobody figured out how to defend the option. If they haven’t figured it out in 70 years, what makes you think they will now?

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by free7694 on Dec 2, 2011 10:29 PM MST up reply actions  

Oh I don't know. Because people are smart

and figure stuff out.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 2, 2011 10:59 PM MST up reply actions  

It's been 70 years

and nobody has figured out how to win an NFL title running the option. If they haven’t figured it out in 70 years, what makes you think they will now?

We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!

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by Junction Rox on Dec 2, 2011 11:01 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

because Tebow is a WINNAR

The off-season sucks.
That is all.

by DAWNMARIE01 on Dec 2, 2011 11:03 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

I'm with you here.

As long as the Broncos are winning all is well.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 2, 2011 6:11 PM MST up reply actions  

Click on the awesomeness that is my sig.

Go, Go Astros!

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 2, 2011 6:05 PM MST up reply actions  

Best thing Kyle Orton’s ever done. Awesome.

by Adam2011 on Dec 2, 2011 5:58 PM MST up reply actions  

You know that isn't really Kyle right?

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by SDcat09 on Dec 2, 2011 6:04 PM MST up reply actions  

I assumed you knew that was Kyle. I was joking man...

sorry if I offended…not my intention..

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by SDcat09 on Dec 2, 2011 6:07 PM MST up reply actions  

*was not Kyle

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by SDcat09 on Dec 2, 2011 6:07 PM MST up reply actions  

No worries, I wasn’t offended.

by Adam2011 on Dec 2, 2011 6:08 PM MST up reply actions  

OT: Its finally snowing here in Grants New Mexico.

I’m glad to see it.

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 5:42 PM MST reply actions  

JFK's Quote of the Day:

“A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives.” ~Jackie Robinson

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by jrockies on Dec 2, 2011 5:42 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

I heard today that Casey Stengal made

“Its always nice when you win more games than the amount you were expected to lose”

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 5:47 PM MST up reply actions  

David DeJesus is a Cub. Good deal

The Cubs have a new right fielder as general manager Jed Hoyer made his first on-field transaction Wednesday, signing David DeJesus to a two-year contract with an option for a third year.
DeJesus, who turns 32 next month, will earn $4.25 million each of the next two years, and the 2014 option year is for $6.5 million with a $1.5 million buyout. “We don’t see him as a platoon player,” Hoyer said of DeJesus. “Does that mean he won’t get days off against tough lefties? I’m sure we’ll try to provide that support and flexibility for [manager]Dale [Sveum], but we’re not signing [DeJesus] as a platoon player.” DeJesus has averaged 33 doubles, eight triples, 11 home runs and 70 RBIs per 162 games in his career, playing for the Royals (2003-10) and Athletics (2011).

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 5:59 PM MST reply actions  

Does this mean that Colvin is out the door?

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 2, 2011 6:00 PM MST up reply actions  

If it is, the Cubs are stupid.

Talk about selling low on a 25 year-old.

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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 2, 2011 8:17 PM MST up reply actions  

It seems they really might be ready to,

Reading BleedCubbieBlue today, there’s almost unanimous consensus among fans to send him packing for Stewart, often with a willingness to add another part to the trade as well.

Espstein’s probably a little wiser than that, but he does like plate discipline and that’s been Colvin’s biggest issue to date.

by Rox Girl on Dec 2, 2011 8:23 PM MST up reply actions  

he OPS'd .800+ in 2010.

He shouldn’t go anywhere just yet, imo. His minor league numbers suggest a ~.700 OPS player though.

@CentralCaliRox

by CentralCaliRox on Dec 2, 2011 8:27 PM MST up reply actions  

He likes plate discipline

and they think he’s going to go get Ian Stewart?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

disclaimer: I wouldn’t be surprised if the Cubbies came after Stewart. I am simply baffled by plate discipline being introduced into reasons for the trade…

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by Junction Rox on Dec 2, 2011 10:15 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

OT: Go Ducks!

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by SDcat09 on Dec 2, 2011 6:12 PM MST reply actions  

Heh.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 2, 2011 6:17 PM MST up reply actions  

I thought they still had one year of Reggie Ban left!

Dangit, the Buffs are never gonna see the championship game then—USC’s gonna be in every year for the next 20…

by Chrysicat on Dec 2, 2011 6:25 PM MST up reply actions  

Nope, we're free in 2012

and have something like 20 starters returning from a 10 win team. I honestly have my doubts about how long Kiffin can sustain the success, though. I doubt he’s capable of keeping a dynasty going.

by Rox Girl on Dec 2, 2011 6:47 PM MST up reply actions  

It's more like how long

can Kiffin go before he gets USC another suspension.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 2, 2011 7:20 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm betting that the Ducks will be the next sanctioned PAC-12 program.

Of course, the sanction will probably be something like having to write a former letter of apology for not noticing that their athletes were operating a Nike store on E-bay.

by Rox Girl on Dec 2, 2011 7:25 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm just saying that the NCAA seemed to go a bit stiffer on USC

than it had on similar violations prior to Reggie Bush, or has since (see Ohio State or North Carolina, or Kiffin’s Tennessee team.) I think the Trojans were used as an example after some backlash that the NCAA wasn’t being tough enough on teams skirting the rules and that since they’ve gone back to being laissez faire.

by Rox Girl on Dec 2, 2011 8:00 PM MST up reply actions  

apparently it's a late night for me.

that was supposed to say “formal letter of apology.” That’s not even a strict homophone error and yeah, I do know the right word.

by Rox Girl on Dec 2, 2011 8:29 PM MST up reply actions  

/ducks

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 2, 2011 6:22 PM MST up reply actions  

Regarding uniforms, from the Rockies twitter feed:
Updated road grays this year. Will be released soon. RT @Mauten1: Do we get new uniforms this year?

by holly96 on Dec 2, 2011 8:24 PM MST reply actions  

I can't even really remember them off the top of my head.

They don’t make much of an impression on me either way.

by holly96 on Dec 2, 2011 8:29 PM MST up reply actions  

purple COLORADO on the front.

purple pinstripes, dark grey. I liked them.

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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 2, 2011 8:30 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

I doubt it will be drastic changes.

(Somehow I initially typed “date” instead of “doubt.” What the crap.)

by holly96 on Dec 2, 2011 8:46 PM MST up reply actions  

Is the team getting a 20th season patch...or something like it?

"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"

/it is a new beginning, right?

by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 2, 2011 8:59 PM MST up reply actions  

I don't know. Would be neat.

I think that would be a separate deal from tweaking the road greys, though.

by holly96 on Dec 2, 2011 9:11 PM MST up reply actions  

Whoa. SEC investigating Marlins Stadium deal

http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/12/02/v-fullstory/2529191/feds-open-sec-probe-into-miami.html

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by SDcat09 on Dec 2, 2011 8:53 PM MST reply actions  

I'm not surprised

There were several underlying details about that process that made you go…..Hmmmmm

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 2, 2011 9:00 PM MST up reply actions  

Lurking through Talking Chop

The amount that they value their players is insane….

Your 2012 Colorado Rockies:freshly exorcised from Ty Wigginton

by MattBerger on Dec 2, 2011 9:15 PM MST reply actions  

It seems we’re officially out on Roy Oswalt
(last paragraph)

I also wanted to discuss the potential Prado trade…it’s looking like Frank Wren is going to play hardball in negotiations, yet I still think it’s important for us to clear up the Smith/Blackmon/Wheeler logjam by dealing one of the three while seeking to fill another area of need.

So why not forget about the Smith/Prado negotations and instead continue in our recent stockpiling of prospects? I believe the Mariners were linked to Smith at some point this offseason, and I’d be most interested in dealing with them. Nick Franklin is a bit of an enigma to me, but scouts seem to love him and he could probably take over as our starting 2B by late 2012. I also love Vinnie Catricala, who has raked at every level of the minors and yet has risen mostly unheralded (was a 10th round draft pick) through the Mariners system. He’s been playing 3B in the minors, but some reports suggest that he would be better suited at 1B due to a lack of arm strength. He’d be a great successor to Helton, imo.

I doubt Smith alone nets Franklin, but I bet we could nab Catricala. Thoughts?

by steakman on Dec 2, 2011 9:45 PM MST reply actions  

Oh my gosh

I can’t believe we don’t have Iannetta any more

Score a goal. Unit. Basket. Go squadron! Do good! Defeat the opponents soundly in this...skirmish.

by Justus on Dec 2, 2011 10:18 PM MST reply actions  

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  4. Chad Bettis, RHP - AA DL
  5. Tyler Matzek, A (Adv)
  6. Alex White, MLB
  7. Kyle Parker, OF - A (Adv)
  8. Tim Wheeler, OF - AAA DL
  9. Josh Rutledge, SS - AA
  10. Charlie Blackmon, OF - AAA DL
  11. Rosell Herrera, SS/3B - A
  12. Trevor Story, SS/3B - A
  13. Edwar Cabrera, LHP - AA
  14. Tyler Anderson, LHP - A
  15. Rafael Ortega, OF - A (Adv)
  16. Peter Tago, RHP, unassigned
  17. Christian Friedrich, LHP - MLB
  18. Joe Gardner, RHP - AA
  19. Corey Dickerson, OF - A (Adv)
  20. Thomas Field, 2B - AAA
  21. Will Swanner, C - A
  22. Kent Matthes, OF - AA
  23. Albert Campos, RHP - released (4/19/12)
  24. Jordan Pacheco, C/UT - MLB
  25. Cristhian Adames, SS - A (Adv)
  26. Ben Paulsen, 1B - AA
  27. Josh Slaats, RHP - A (Adv)
  28. David Kandilas, CF - A
  29. Jayson Aquino, LHP - unassigned
  30. Hector Gomez, SS - DL
HM:
Edgmer Escalona, RHP - MLB
Dillon Thomas, OF - unassigned
Sam Mende, IF - A
Mike Zuanich, 1B - AA
Dan Houston, RHP - AA

updated 10/25/2011.


Managers

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Staff

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Special Assistants to the GM

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