Friday Rockpile: The Market for Seth Smith Takes Shape
by Andrew Martin on Dec 23, 2011 10:44 AM MST
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PrintJon Paul Morosi and Ken Rosenthal and separately Rob Neyer chimed in yesterday to discuss Seth Smith and the fact that he's pretty much getting thrown out the door. Well, not the throwing part but more likely where he's going to land. They list 5 teams as strong possibilities, including the Mariners, Athletics, Braves, Mets, and Rays.
Seattle is looking for a platoon partner for Casper Wells, so much like we've discussed here, Smith would logically fit that role.
Oakland wants a starter. Neyer suggests that given Smith's platoon/Coors splits, Smith probably shouldn't be the everyday starter. A commenter pointed out "I bet his Road/LHP splits are hilarious". I bet they are, commenter. I bet they are.
Atlanta wants a righty. Probably for the same reasons we do. But see, Rockies fans don't need to want one AS MUCH, because WE got Michael CUDDYER! Ha!
The Mets have some weird hodgepodge of outfielders now, including the overpaid and underperforming Jason Bay and probably other guys who cause you to think "oh, right, that guy".
The Rays would be landing an almost-starting-quality outfielder, which Morosi says will add "flexibility" to the Tampa outfield.
So the question for us is "Who REALLY wants him?" and then the next question should be "... and How much are they willing to give up for him?"
The Rockies seemingly have some difficulty in moving their players for the best value. It all started like 3 years ago when Brad Hawpe and Garrett Atkins were still Rockies players. The positive note is that at least they got some sort of a return from Chris Ianneta and Ian Stewart. The negative note is that they essentially handed Huston Street to the suddenly terrifying Padres.
You see, there were varying degrees of value that the team could've gotten from the players, and the team seemed to sell them at their lowest market value possible. Ian Stewart, for example, was already at pretty much his lowest possible value, given his play in the 2011 season. I don't really fault the team for moving Stewart at this low point, because I just don't think the team was going to have any better opportunities anyhow. Huston Street lost the closer's job, and the team thereby anointed Rafael Betancourt as the new closer - which was perfectly fine. What wasn't fine is doing nothing to rebuild his trade value publicly. I mean, any GM who actually does his research is going to know that Street wasn't the greatest pitcher on the planet, but the Rockies didn't even try and dress him up better than that.
While Stewart never really put it together, Street isn't very far removed from being, you know, good. His peripherals suggest that he hasn't been as bad as his 2011 blowups would indicate, but he's still a decent closer, and there's more value in Saves than Holds to many a GM.
What I'm trying to say about Street is that Colorado should've at least TRIED to sell him as "closer candidate" rather than "demoted setup man" because one is worth a lt more than the other.
Which brings us back to Seth Smith. Right now, there are teams that think Smith could be a full time starter. If they haven't done their due diligence, that's not my problem, and we need to be selling him as a starter. That said, if word gets out that he's a platoon player (he typed, tongue firmly planted in cheek), that value is going to diminish, because platoon = bad to other GMs. That ALSO said, there HAS to be one of those 5 interested teams up there who realize the value in a strong platoon bat from the left side, and would be willing to pay what that's actually WORTH.
So to conclude, Rockies, don't screw this one up. We need 2B help, we need pitching help, and we can't really afford to hand another player over for table scraps and "not-gonna-make-it"'s. We are selling off value for very little return, and that trend just needs to stop.
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to the hip hip hop, a you dont stop
the rock it to the bang bang boogie say up jumped the boogie
to the rhythm of the boogie, the beat
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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 23, 2011 10:48 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
the JDub rocked the pants off of that song
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 23, 2011 11:00 AM MST up reply actions
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I’m a rappin to the beat
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Wieners are never lame.
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I'm sorry.
But seriously though RMN’s birthday was “off the hook” or so I have been told. I wasn’t actually there.
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You weren't there
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I hope so.
He is a pretty stand up guy, and one hell of a baseball writer.
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Serisouly.
The best of the bunch here on SBNation.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 23, 2011 10:56 AM MST up reply actions
I missed jDub karaoke?
Was JMo there as well?
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if he was,
it wasn’t before 11:30.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 23, 2011 10:58 AM MST up reply actions
Is that when you passed out
from miller light tall boys?
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 23, 2011 11:00 AM MST up reply actions
did i miss something,
or did you really just reply to yourself for like 14 comments?
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I was talking to the wiener.
And replying as the weiner.
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i don't understand the question
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How do you feel about spicy mustard?
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great with pretzels
and on graham crackers
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graham crackers?
really?
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i'm not knocking it
just find it something that I wouldn’t have thought to try myself.
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clearly you don't get drunk around mustard and graham crackers enough
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...I can't say that I have.
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It's impossible to do that enough....
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by Junction Rox on Dec 23, 2011 1:18 PM MST up reply actions
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gets you hooked
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That is a hell I woud not wish
even upon my mortal enemies.
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Or a heaven I would only wish on the very best of wieners
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by Junction Rox on Dec 23, 2011 10:53 AM MST up reply actions
Feliz Cumpleanos!
I was going to comment “WHERE’S MY ROCKPILE?! HULK SMASH!”
But you’re in the clear now. Your birthday is totally the best.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 23, 2011 10:50 AM MST reply actions
You say it's your birthday?
It’s my birthday too—yeah
They say it’s your birthday
We’re gonna have a good time
I’m glad it’s your birthday
Happy birthday to you.
/not really my birthday too….
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Jason Bay is right handed
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I don't understand how this relates to A-Marts awesome birthday...
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by Junction Rox on Dec 23, 2011 10:51 AM MST up reply actions
The jury is still out
on Jason Bay’s handedness
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 23, 2011 10:52 AM MST up reply actions
no he's not
he’s totally left handed
shut up
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 23, 2011 11:01 AM MST up reply actions
well crap.
after the edit, I’m sure he’d prefer to just be left handed again.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 23, 2011 11:22 AM MST up reply actions
not sure which is the bigger slap in the face
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 23, 2011 11:55 AM MST up reply actions
I'm sure everyone's more on top of this than me
But for those who need a laugh: Link
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 23, 2011 10:58 AM MST reply actions
just finished reading that
very entertaining
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by Hollidayrain on Dec 23, 2011 2:22 PM MST up reply actions
Your birthday is more awesome than
the joy on Wiggy’s face after he makes a clean catch in the outfield.
Well I don't think anyone knows what that face looks like
Because we’ve never seen Wiggy make a clean catch in the outfield.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 23, 2011 11:03 AM MST up reply actions
I did once
it was liking getting a glimpse of the surface of the sun itself.
that's hilarious
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I wish I could do anything in the mobile app.
The off-season sucks.
That is all.
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why wouldn't you be able to
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 23, 2011 12:20 PM MST up reply actions
I can't post - I just keep getting a msg that it's checking my membership.
The ‘follow’ tab never updates either. I can read everything and jump to unread comments but that’s about it so far.
The off-season sucks.
That is all.
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Can you email me the make/model of the phone you’re using along with the problems so I can forward it on to our devs?
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 23, 2011 12:34 PM MST up reply actions
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 23, 2011 4:53 PM MST up reply actions
Happy Birfday.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 23, 2011 11:01 AM MST reply actions
I'm saying this not as anti Dex
It appears to me if we want to trade an outfielder for value; that outfielder will probably have to be Dex. The value being talked of as return for Seth is not for the pieces we know we need. The braves keep looking for something better for Prado ;The Mariners want out of a washed up Figgens. The Mets are looking for pitching like everybody else and are needing a CF and a C. The Rays have flexibility from a lot of good pieces. They don’t need to settle for what they need. As much as DOD wants to get rid of Seth; I don’t see him being the centerpiece of a Deal.
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We'd have to get an astronomical return
for Dexter. I think the FO believes they’ve finally seen the real Dex, and I don’t think any of the pieces that teams are shopping are worth giving him up (especially now that we have Cuddy in RF). I’d rather have the 2B merry-go-round-of-terror and Dex in CF than have Prado at 2B and a Smith/CarGo/Cuddy outfield. We need to do as much as we can to save CarGo’s legs.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 23, 2011 11:17 AM MST up reply actions
Dex is frustrating
and I really hope the second half hitting wasn’t a mirage, but I don’t want to give up that glove and speed in an outfield as huge as Coors Field, especially if Cuddyer is subpar defensively. I’d rather go with Herrera, Nelson, or sign a retread like Miles than risk that.
Cuddyer's got a great arm
He’s just got 32 year old legs.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 23, 2011 11:25 AM MST up reply actions
We are agreeing on Dex's value for us.
I am saing if we really want the big arm or the productive 2b/3b this year Dex is the piece with the value to flip
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by Muzia on Dec 23, 2011 11:29 AM MST up reply actions 2 recs
But Cargo fills that hole defensively now.
As for offense you have Blackmon and Brown in the wings now with Wheeler and Mathes close. In spite of his debut performance; I think Blackmon could leadoff. Getting Niese and Torres would fill the defensive void ; and get the arm. From the Mariner’s I’d Want Ben Revere and an Arm.
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But how many years do you want CarGo
covering the entire outfield because Smith and Cuddy are in the corners? Probably not good for his long term health, especially considering he already has lingering wrist issues to deal with.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 23, 2011 11:50 AM MST up reply actions
I would hope we'd move him out as fast as we could relace Dex.
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Plus
I don’t think Blackmon’s ML starter-ready yeet.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 23, 2011 11:50 AM MST up reply actions
As we'vw proved over the years ; we can live with a certain amount of bad outfield defense.
Dante and Brad are shining examples of that. If we wind up not being able to trade Seth for something useful ; he maybe praticaly Demoted while the FO auditions all the other pieces. It’s the only scenario I see EY2 staying with the team.
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2007 and 2009
are examples of why we probably shouldn’t live with a certain amount of bad defense. I feel like good defense is almost a market inefficiency in and of itself, due to the fact that efforts to quantify it aren’t quite ready yet. It seems like a great way for a team without the fiscal capabilities of Boston or NY to compete.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 23, 2011 12:01 PM MST up reply actions
I agree ; we mostly have GB pitchers. It's the down grade of INF defense that worries me to get any offense
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I'm not sure Holliday was that much better than Hawpe
they all had their moments. I’m not sold on Blackmon now or ever – hope I’m wrong. And to totally plagerize another commenter (Rhode Island Rox Fan, I think) – I’m not sure if I’ll set myself on fire if EY Jr. is on the opening-day roster, but I’ll be looking for the matches. The guy simply isn’t a major league player.
I had the pitchfork and the torch ready if Stew stayed too
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Isn't Ben Revere with the Twins?
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by Junction Rox on Dec 23, 2011 11:59 AM MST up reply actions
I Guess yore right there.
They wouldn’t part with Guiterrez would they?
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depends on if he's healthy or not
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 23, 2011 12:02 PM MST up reply actions
They probably would if they were getting Dex back
Guiterrez’s 2011 was a nightmare though so I don’t see why Colorado would make that move? Plus, Dex is cheaper, younger, and controlled for longer.
I,d still want an arm and it would depend on the arm selected.
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We were interested in Siezemore after all.
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Well considering that anyone not named King felix had a bad year for seattle last year; they really don't have anything else I'd eant at the MLB level.
I don’t think anybody here wants to trade Tulo for Hernandez?
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Ackley and Pineda interest me
Especially Ackley who would look great manning 2B for us. We just don’t have the pieces to convince Seattle its worth trading them to us.
Some here having pointed to some minor leaguers in the M’s system that have some appeal.
lol ackley isn't going anywhere
pineda, while desirable, has like a 15% GB rate (just kidding, it’s actually in the 30s) and that would probably not work out well here as well as it does in safeco
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WE HAD A LITTLE CF NAMED BEN REVERE
JUST THIS OUTFIELDER AND A QUART OF BEER
RIDIN CROSS MINNY
PASSIN OUT SKINNY
SETH SMITH IS GONNA CALL BECAUSE HE’S IN DEMAND
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 23, 2011 12:02 PM MST up reply actions
One lonely Cuddy 3 be
All by himself without nobody
The sun is beating down
on his baseball hat
The air is getting hot beer is getting flat
Lookin’ for a friend, he ran into a guy
His name is Ben Revere, he said “howdy” Ben said “hi”
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by Junction Rox on Dec 23, 2011 12:08 PM MST up reply actions
I agree Dex has the most value
I wouldn’t just let Smith go for just anything – if we can’t get an upgrade at second base, just keep him. I don’t think he’s going to get us a big arm without being packaged with a lot we don’t want to give up.
We might get value for Smith
If we package him with some other prospects. I prefer that route to trading Dex personally,
ok more article up now
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 23, 2011 12:01 PM MST up reply actions
happy birthday
did you have too much birthday?
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Get well soon Juan.
by Thnikkaman on Dec 23, 2011 12:13 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
I had a lot of birthday
it was good.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 23, 2011 12:20 PM MST up reply actions
I assume Beer was involved.
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by Thnikkaman on Dec 23, 2011 12:28 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
beer, whiskey, and several other liquids
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 23, 2011 12:34 PM MST up reply actions
Atta boy.
Just an average guy with exceptional hair. Nothing more, nothing less.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Dec 23, 2011 3:58 PM MST up reply actions
I figure you probably have
many Empty Bottles Of Water now to get over the hangover.
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by Thnikkaman on Dec 23, 2011 4:20 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
I had a few glasses
AND some coconut water!
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 23, 2011 4:24 PM MST up reply actions
Sounds like fun.
I enjoyed The Breakdown in this thread. Before J-Dub got up for Karaoke, did he say it was “Time To Rock Our $*17”?
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by Thnikkaman on Dec 23, 2011 4:33 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
ha, no
he did give me a huge shoutout
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 23, 2011 4:34 PM MST up reply actions
Were you bugged
by an A$$hole during your party?
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I think we already established that J-Dub was there....
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by Junction Rox on Dec 23, 2011 4:39 PM MST up reply actions
nah man, everyone seemingly loved me, or was at least indifferent to me.
Even got a phone number!
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 23, 2011 4:53 PM MST up reply actions
sweet
it would be awesome if you and this girl can go Trippin at the Disco
I can do this for a while. I’ve got lots of PUTS song titles to insert into this conversation.
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Get well soon Juan.
by Thnikkaman on Dec 23, 2011 4:59 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
well she has to return the text, first ;)
Shame, really. Oh well!
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 23, 2011 5:01 PM MST up reply actions
you texted too soon
I hope you don’t get stuck with the old Turndown
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by Thnikkaman on Dec 23, 2011 5:04 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
ha, I'm expecting it, but that's OK
The entire hook from last night was “hey, I have club seats to the Avs game” and then 3 drunken roommates pushing the “dude go buy her a shot put it on our tab just do it no don’t talk to us go go go”
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 23, 2011 5:08 PM MST up reply actions
well good putting yourself out there anyway
initiative helps More Than You Know
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by Thnikkaman on Dec 23, 2011 5:12 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
What if...
the Rockies deal Wilin in a deal for pitching and then target Kurt Suzuki for catcher? Without looking it up, I believe he’s controllable through 2013 (option for 2014). Of course, Billy will be asking for arms and legs, so this might be moot, but thought I’d throw it out there.
We're already paying Hernandez through 2013
And Suzuki is due more than he’s worth for the next couple seasons.
My compliments on the candor of this article
Going into this offseason with tough-to-fill holes at 3B, 2B and starting pitching, I was prepared to see some pieces moved for a less-than-fair return. That’s what you expect, after all, when teams know you have positions of dire need – not going to crucify the GM if it happens.
But so far I agree that we are seeing pieces moved for less-than-fair return, without actually filling any of the team’s gaping holes. That doesn’t make sense to me, and I sure hope Smith is the trade piece that will cause this offseason to make some sense.
by Northsider1964 on Dec 23, 2011 12:04 PM MST reply actions
Feels as though the FO knows for sure what parts it didn’t want in 2012 but didn’t either identify exactly what pieces would fill those roles, or identify a concrete plan on how to acquire them.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 23, 2011 12:17 PM MST up reply actions
houston we have a ptoblem.
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my first
post. does it work?
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by hotdoglady on Dec 23, 2011 12:26 PM MST via Android app reply actions
looks like it
The off-season sucks.
That is all.
by DAWNMARIE01 on Dec 23, 2011 12:27 PM MST up reply actions
I see it.
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by Thnikkaman on Dec 23, 2011 12:29 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
no
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 23, 2011 12:34 PM MST up reply actions
just how big is your bat.
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by hotdoglady on Dec 23, 2011 12:35 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Amart doesn't wield a bat; Just a ban hammer
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no.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 23, 2011 12:35 PM MST up reply actions
Smitty has a lot to offer
Smith is arguably one of the best pinch hitters in the game. Certainly against lefties. He is the best player the Rox have offered up in trade since the Holliday deal went down.
It depends upon the team that takes him, what their vacancies are and what their current lineup is. But he is worth plenty to the right team!
by Real Perspective on Dec 23, 2011 12:34 PM MST reply actions
Certainly againstleftiesrighties
Fixed it for ya
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by SurfaceThought on Dec 23, 2011 12:36 PM MST up reply actions
He is the best player the Rox have offered up in trade since theHollidayUbaldo deal went down.
Fixed it for ya
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by SurfaceThought on Dec 23, 2011 12:38 PM MST up reply actions
well, best player since some pitcher....can't remember his name off hand...
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Beltran signs with the Cards for 2yr, $26 mil.
Considering what we paid for Cuddyer, I think we made a real mistake not pushing Carlos harder to sign here…
…what’s everyone else think?
full No Trade Clause? No thanks.
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The money was right and if he was unhealthy there was always the insurance to collect.
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The Cards just won the WS
they can afford to risk 20mil a year on Furcal and Beltran. We can’t.
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Considering that we just gave up more money for longer I'd say it's a wash.
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Right, at the amount that Beltran ended up getting
but not necessarily for the amount that the Rox would have had to of spent on him. without the no trade clause, I would definitely go Beltran.
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by SurfaceThought on Dec 23, 2011 12:46 PM MST up reply actions
10mil per year extra for two injury-prone players is a wash?
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They went 13 a yearfor two years and we went thirty for three.
I think the difference Beltran could have produced here for two years equals about what Cuddyer produces in three.
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But we couldn't get Beltran for 2/26
and we wouldn’t offer him a full NTC.
It’s not a real argument.
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Because we wanted Michael Cuddyer.
The epitome of MEDIOCRE.
Sigh. We’re really not going to win anytime soon, are we
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 23, 2011 12:54 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I feel depressed.
I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.
by prettyinpurple on Dec 23, 2011 12:55 PM MST up reply actions
Are you goint to eat your hat
if we make the playoffs this year?
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It's just reality.
Odds are against us.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 23, 2011 1:15 PM MST up reply actions
The Diamondbacks were totally the favorites in the division last year
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They had a weakness and fixed it.
Did we really fix ours?
As it stands, not yet.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 23, 2011 1:18 PM MST up reply actions
I thought we traded Ty Wigginton?
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by Muzia on Dec 23, 2011 1:18 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
counterpoint
dbacks have more world series championships in four less years than we have division championships.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 23, 2011 3:29 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Okay. Let's try this another way
What reasonable offer would you give Beltran, and what do you honestly expect his production to look like the next two seasons?
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3/35.
Hitting at Coors, I’d expect .900+ OPS, honestly. Anywhere from 2-6 WAR seasons, with 2 being the floor because of the injury risk.
I do that.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 23, 2011 1:17 PM MST up reply actions
so you offer him...less money than STL and expect him to come here.
Okay.
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With an extra year.
That extra year is worth more than the million more he’ll make in one season.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 23, 2011 1:18 PM MST up reply actions
I don't think Beltran has two years left in his knees
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He just put together a full season.
A very good one at that.
We’ll see how this plays out, but I’m willing to say the opposite.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 23, 2011 1:23 PM MST up reply actions
Ubaldo had a great 2010 season
I’m excited to see what he does in 2011.
Jose Reyes had a great season in 2011. I’m excited to see what he does in 2012.
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one of those things is not like the other
arenado: it's Rockie for future
i bet he does, but not if they want him to play center
and after that, there’s a good chance he could go the american league and DH
arenado: it's Rockie for future
After two years?
That doesn’t work as well if we’ve signed him for three…
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by Junction Rox on Dec 23, 2011 1:32 PM MST up reply actions
Not if he plays healthy the first two seasons. And, if he doesn’t play healthy the first two seasons, how’s that third year going to look??
Two years is about perfect for Beltran…from the player’s side, it gives him time to refute durability concerns in anticipation of a final contract before he hits 40. From an org standpoint, it alleviates the concern of a 2009-10 Beltran scenario, in which he lights the world on fire before flaming out for the rest of the contract due to injury.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
I read somewhere ...
Tha excellent athletes like Beltran actually defy the aging process better than do average players like Cussyer. yes, he has the knee surgery but last year played pretty damn good. Don’t know why we keep going down this road (or why I keep chiming in for that matter) … but all thing equal I would have preferred Beltran on a 2-year deal with maybe an option for the 3rd that triggers based on PA’s. For the money I think he will return more value, albeit with slightly more risk.
I offer $1M more for one year and the opportunity to maintain that for three years if he's physically up to it.
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On a two year contract the no trade is probably meaningless.
THE CONTRACT IS INSURED. If he blows out a knee; you collect the insurance, outright release him and reload.
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so why not offer him 1year/50mil?
I don’t think it works the way you are thnking…
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Why offer $50M?
If you rember the other day I said to offer him $14M for one year and two mutal options.
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and that most assuredly doesn't get it done
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I think it effectively does the same thing.
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All we had to do is offer 1M more than the defending champs?
And one less year?
Yeah, no. Not at all.
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We offer two mutual options.
If he has a monster year and thinks he could do better elsewhere he splits. If He’s slightly disappointing, but ends on an upswing he stays. It respects his ability and his fragility.
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Again. Why would he choose us over St Louis?
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great clubhouse atmosphere!
emphasis on character within the organization!
arenado: it's Rockie for future
Because we give him the option to rebuild his market value.
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Hitters do not come to Coors
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Preston Wilson tried to.
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who?
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I hate them.
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Aruba? Jamaica?
Bermuda? Bahamas?
C’mon, pretty mama!
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by Junction Rox on Dec 23, 2011 1:36 PM MST up reply actions
well it'd be kind of hard to be wrong about something that's a personal preference
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 23, 2011 4:54 PM MST up reply actions
Kevin Goldstein thinks they are 100 times better AND more influential than
…the Beatles
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The Rockies traded for Preston Wilson.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 23, 2011 1:44 PM MST up reply actions
mike hampton, juan pierre, and cash
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that's the one
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 23, 2011 4:26 PM MST up reply actions
i dunno
beltran only backed away from tampa because they play on turf and he’d be DHing more than he’d like to, so that implies they had a competitive offer, and if tampa could offer something worth thinking about i certainly imagine we could as well
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by papality on Dec 23, 2011 1:07 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
let's offer prince fielder 1/$50
see what he says
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Only if the contract stipulates
that he has to play 2B.
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by EmersonCR on Dec 23, 2011 1:04 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
that would so be worth it
just on comedy value alone
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so what GM positions have you ben offered?
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by Thnikkaman on Dec 23, 2011 4:23 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
I think that’s fine on a 2 yr deal…
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meh, I don’t see the difference really.
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Just like when we passed on Berkman last year
Beltran will probably light it up
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by Colsportsfan on Dec 23, 2011 1:01 PM MST up reply actions
we passed on Berkman?
By all accounts, he was ready to come here before STL almost doubled our offer.
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This.
Nobody saw that Berkman resurgence. So I’m fine with what happened with Berkman
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 23, 2011 1:19 PM MST up reply actions
Beltran?..
That names sounds familiar… Isn’t he that young stud for the Royals?
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by SurfaceThought on Dec 23, 2011 12:39 PM MST up reply actions
Honestly though
Considering that the Casey Blake singing sort of signals that the FO does not want to play Cuddyer at third at all, then yes, I definitely would have preferred the Beltran signing to the Cuddyer one. Even with the no trade clause.
But I have doubts Beltran would have signed for that much in Colorado.
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Casey Blake was at karaoke night last night?
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by Junction Rox on Dec 23, 2011 1:34 PM MST up reply actions
Very Much agree.
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I'm okay with not getting Beltran.
We’d have had to offer more than STL to have had him choose us over them. Not sure if that would have come in annual salary, in years, or both but I am happy not to have topped that offer.
I do agree with you.
But Cuddyer was the guy the Rockies wanted all along. It didn’t matter what Beltran got, all they wanted was Cuddyer.
I have a problem with this.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 23, 2011 12:46 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
This will sound like I'm down on Cuddyer, which I'm not
But at the prices paid, he’s my third choice behind Beltran and Willingham. I know they don’t possess Cuddyer’s off-the-charts clubhousiness, but that’s still how I see it.
Still feel a lot of the overpay for Cuddyer comes back to the need for a backup 1B if Helton misses extended time.
by Northsider1964 on Dec 23, 2011 12:47 PM MST up reply actions
I'm already getting sick of Cuddyer's "intangibles"
If we don’t win in 2012, I hope they blow the team up even more than they did this offseason. FO, Tracy, the team, everybody.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 23, 2011 12:48 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Cargo? Tulo? Everyone?
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What we saw this offseason was the team "cutting the fat"..
Getting rid of those excess players in order to acquire an impact player. And that impact player they set their eyes on was..Michael Cuddyer?
Obviously I don’t want Tulo/CarGo gone. But if this “plan” doesn’t work this year, something needs to be done.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 23, 2011 12:51 PM MST up reply actions
Street trade aside, there’s a difference between “cutting the fat” and “acquiring an impact player”.
I’ve linked the AZSnake Pit article before, but the major difference between their last two seasons was simply getting rid of the below replacement players. We just did the same exact thing.
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You don't feel AZ upgraded its pitching?
Especially the pen, because that’s where they were a train wreck. Our pen is not a train wreck, but other positions are leaking oil just as badly as the Snakes were in the bullpen.
by Northsider1964 on Dec 23, 2011 12:57 PM MST up reply actions
they also brought in a real manager
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by papality on Dec 23, 2011 12:58 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
outside of 2b we’re kind of okay.
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by Northsider1964 on Dec 23, 2011 1:12 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
we’re not really good at pitching but we’re not necessarily bad either. Imo 2b is the only real hole, 3b, the rotation, and 1b are just kind of grey areas that just need time to sort out.
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thats pretty much been my exact feeling for awhile
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by Colsportsfan on Dec 23, 2011 1:06 PM MST up reply actions
tracy will be gone after this year anyway
let’s give the team a shot with a real manager first before we call it totally quits
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what does this “TOR” acronym mean that I have seen people throwing around? Specifically, it would seem, in regards to prospects.
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‘top of the rotation’ for pitching prospects
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by SurfaceThought on Dec 23, 2011 12:44 PM MST up reply actions
toronto
it means those prospects are going to toronto
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Anthopoulos!
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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 23, 2011 1:47 PM MST up reply actions
Top of Rotation.
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Can someone tell be why we need a starting picther
when we have 10 of them?
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5…4…3…
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My blerg
because most of them are young and without much MLB experience
arenado: it's Rockie for future
what I'm trying to get
is why there is so much focus on starting pitching, when 2nd and 3rd base are essentially black holes.
Colorado Offense: Making bad pitchers look like CY Young Winners.
by Colsportsfan on Dec 23, 2011 1:11 PM MST up reply actions
you literally can never have too much pitching
arenado: it's Rockie for future
this is true.
IT really is the 2nd rule of baseball.
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What's the first rule?
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My blerg
never make the last out at 3rd base
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by hotdoglady on Dec 23, 2011 1:16 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
it's my party dammit
i’ll cry if i want to
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Your starting catcher must possess latinness
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Dec 23, 2011 4:07 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Throw strikes.
I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.
by prettyinpurple on Dec 23, 2011 4:19 PM MST up reply actions
Arenado.Rutledge.
There aren’t any reasonable trade candidates out there because most teams have the same exact issues.
Some days, I feel like I’ve accidentally entered the Church of Tulowitzki on Baseball Easter.
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Speaking of Rutledge
Anyone else feel like people started having significantly more faith in him ever since Tulo “hand-picked” him for his clinic? I for one have always been a fan, just wanted to throw it out there.
perhaps
his baller second half last year doesn’t hurt either
arenado: it's Rockie for future
Yes.
But I was referring to immediately following the season, it seemed like people put him in the same tier a Field. Granted, he hasn’t proved anything at the next level, but I don’t think it was until after he went to Camp Tulo that he started becoming a wishful future solution for 2nd base.
He opened a lot of eyes this season
I have no idea what to expect from him next year.
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I'm excited, but incredibly nervous
I don’t know if he’s the real deal or not. The player I saw in May last year is definitely not the player he was the second half of last season. I can’t really explain what happened, and I haven’t found a reason to explain the change.
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did you read Etkin's last farm report?
Rutledge spoke of specific changes he made at the break
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 23, 2011 3:34 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Not really.
We’ll see how he performs this year. Really broke out last season, but needs to have another strong season at a higher level
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 23, 2011 1:23 PM MST up reply actions
I think a big part of it is positional scarcity. There just aren't a lot of impact guys easily available at 2B and 3B.
the other part is what papality posted. You can never have too many pitchers.
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My blerg
But we have a half dozen 2Bs
So what’s the problem?
by Northsider1964 on Dec 23, 2011 1:14 PM MST up reply actions
touche
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by SurfaceThought on Dec 23, 2011 1:45 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Wow, Yorvit Torrealba.
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huh?
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by Greg Stanwood on Dec 23, 2011 2:20 PM MST up reply actions
Fistpunchz!
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Junction Rox on Dec 23, 2011 2:21 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
with his latin heat?
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Some people are saying he hit him with a bat, but I don't think that's true.
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by Greg Stanwood on Dec 23, 2011 2:23 PM MST up reply actions
Fire-y
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 23, 2011 3:02 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
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JFK
Stumbled on this Cuddyer analysis...
from someone I’ve never heard of (hence the title of the blog).
No kidding
SNL could use him. Does he also think that Jim Tracy is a nice mix of Tony La Russa, Bobby Cox, and Casey Stengal?
no, he's a philly type player because the phillies are old
and he’s only like 35
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 23, 2011 5:09 PM MST up reply actions
(wiggity)
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 23, 2011 5:09 PM MST up reply actions
guess he'll do some
pinch running and be a defensive substitution in the late innings for them, given his relative youth . . .
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 23, 2011 4:31 PM MST via Android app reply actions
Ow
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by Greg Stanwood on Dec 23, 2011 4:33 PM MST up reply actions
now I know fanshots don't appear in the app
there is one fp
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 23, 2011 4:43 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Links
The escape my mobile app.
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Get well soon Juan.
by Thnikkaman on Dec 23, 2011 4:34 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
so just navigate to mobile.purplerow.com in your browser
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 23, 2011 4:35 PM MST up reply actions
Ill check it out later
I am very happy they released this app right before we decided to drive to south carolina
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by Thnikkaman on Dec 23, 2011 4:39 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
good timing, right?
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 23, 2011 4:53 PM MST up reply actions
very good
listening to The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo while posting on PR going 70 is very nice
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Get well soon Juan.
by Thnikkaman on Dec 23, 2011 5:01 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
'Roid Rage?
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by SurfaceThought on Dec 23, 2011 4:39 PM MST up reply actions
Yorvit punches umpire
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 23, 2011 4:54 PM MST up reply actions
Down goes Frazier!
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
A lot is two words. Allot can be one word but it has another meaning.
The only time you really want to use "myself" is when you are the recipient of your own action. Usually you're better off using "me."
Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
It's anyway, not anyways.
But if you only remember one thing...
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
Torrealba always made much better contact than Iannetta.
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by Muzia on Dec 23, 2011 5:50 PM MST up reply actions 7 recs
I'm so reccing this
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awesome
arenado: it's Rockie for future
Actually it looks more like he bitchslapped him...
Way to protect the hands Yorvit!
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
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It wasn't even a bitchslap
It was just a shove in the face.
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iannetta would never commit to a full swing
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 24, 2011 11:43 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
Olivo would probably have missed
But if he’d made contact, the ump would still be on the floor.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 23, 2011 7:53 PM MST via mobile reply actions
Word brutha word
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so i have a serious question
why is reggie smith not in the hall of fame?
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He had a good career
but I’m not sure it was a HOF career. Right around 2k hits and 300 HRs in 12 full seasons, with significant time in at least 3 more….
Build your case for him. I’m open to being persuaded on him….
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by Junction Rox on Dec 23, 2011 11:14 PM MST up reply actions
switch hitter, 137 career OPS+ and wRC+ from a good to great defensive center fielder and rightfielder
nearly even career K/BB, 63 rWAR, 72 fWAR… didn’t even get 1% of the vote in his only year of eligibility. and all done in really only 13 years of playing
arenado: it's Rockie for future
Was never the marquee player on his own team
I’m not saying that should disqualify him, but I think it often does as far as HOF voters are concerned. Great player, but certainly not the first name that comes to mind when you think of the Red Sox and Dodger teams that he was part of.
by Northsider1964 on Dec 24, 2011 7:43 AM MST up reply actions
He should be the first name that comes to mind with the late 70's Dodgers teams.
Don Sutton said so too, well at least according to Smith’s Wikipedia page. Part of it I’m guessing is being in the shadow of Yaz in Boston.
Perhaps, but he isn't
Ask someone who the four Dodgers were you hit 30 HRs in one season, and Smith is usually they one they will forget.
I think Smith was a terrific player. But the question was, “why isn’t he in the Hall of Fame?” and I believe that answer is that he always had higher-profile teammates. Maybe not better teammates, but higher profile.
by Northsider1964 on Dec 24, 2011 10:46 AM MST up reply actions
Could his being black have been a disadvantage?
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In the general context of the time period, that would be difficult to say,
it actually seems that the 1975-1985 period when Smith had his prime was perhaps MLB’s most inclusive for African Americans. That said, we’re talking about mostly white reporters making the HOF decision, and their biases could have impacted the way Smith was viewed compared to his peers. Rather than race, though, I’m actually wondering if it’s more a situation where Smith wasn’t a media favorite, didn’t give a good quote or have a demeanor that would endear him to the group that would make the decision. The same situation nearly caused Bert Blyleven’s solid career to not be recognized.
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