Tuesday Rockpile: The Cody Ross Fit
by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 27, 2011 8:02 AM MST
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PrintThe hot stove season is good for bloggers, nerds and baseball junkies, especially the ones who appreciate baseball more from the statistical angle. At no other time is it so important to shake off our old lessons of English class to parse the nuance of our native language. It is very easy to misunderstand words, extrapolate and spread completely false rumors. One has to be careful.
For example, here is something Buster Olney tweeted yesterday morning:
The Rockies are in contract talks with Cody Ross, who presumably would help them create depth for expected trade of Seth Smith.
It is impossible to know whether Olney took great care to be completely accurate with his language, but the four most important words in that tweet I have italicized you. 1) Are: meaning currently. Present. Could be future or past as well, but certainly right now. 2) In: preposition leading you to the subject. 3) Contract: in this case, a signed document making an employment agreement. 4) Talks: conversations, plural.
If Olney is correct, the Rockies people have had multiple conversations with the Cody Ross people about actually working at Coors Field. If my people in my past education knew anything, that suggests this courtship is more than a price check.
Troy Renck is on vacation now, so the Rockies have not had much coverage over the holidays. He chimed in from vacation with a largely speculative tweet that Colorado has long been interested in Ross, but only at the right price, which he believes to be a one-year deal.
Ross started the offseason asking for a three-year contract. If he didn't realize that was ridiculous then, he does now. Here's the thing about Ross: he would be a great fit for the Rockies. He's a right-handed bat with pop (the 10th highest 2011 ISO among remaining free agents). He can play all three outfield positions. He rakes at Coors Field, and would probably actually rake the warning track if you asked, because he is a nice guy. He's a good'ol'boy from New Mexico. And most importantly, he would get zero at-bats against Rockies pitchers. He'd be a great fit.
Except Michael Cuddyer. Dan O'Dowd already used a majority of the available dollars to sign an right-handed utfielder with pop, and the three most-cited weak areas (2B, 3B, SP) still have not received a notable upgrade. Ross would have fit this roster like a glove, except now O'Dowd has put a mitten on the roster. Ross would seemingly be superfluous, though trading Seth Smith (Todd Frazier please?) would certainly make it possible. One would think "contract talks" with Ross would require at least one offer for Seth Smith that O'Dowd would be prepared to accept. December rosterbation is dangerous, but if this series of swaps goes down, the outfield situation could look like this:
Starters: Carlos Gonzalez (LF), Dexter Fowler (CF), Michael Cuddyer (RF)
Bench: RH Cody Ross (LF, CF, RF), LH Charlie Blackmon (LF, RF, and CF in a pinch)
That would send Tyler Colvin, Jamie Hoffman and Tim Wheeler to AAA for a pretty strong relief core of lawn-runners. All three have options remaining, two, one and three respectively. One could play with the number of outfielders considering: Giambi is hardly an "infielder," Jordan Pacheco may be a catcher infielder or both, and Michael Cuddyer can play 1B/3B.
Ross would bring a .195 career ISO (all with a pitchers' park home ballpark), which would have clocked in only behind Tulo, Giambi, Cargo, and just behind Smith last year. He has a career .912 OPS vs LHP, which is better than Seth Smith's Coors' aided .881 career OPS vs RHP.
If there is a positive trade set up involving Seth Smith for a starting pitcher or 2B/3B, Cody Ross is a very solid target at the right price.
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"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
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"Talks" isn't plural
“Rockies in (a) contract talk” ain’t grammar.
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talks is certainly plural
it just would be worded differently if they had only one talk. At least, if Buster Olney knows English.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 27, 2011 8:26 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
That's simply not true.
“Talks” = a dialogue. Your parsing of his phrasing might be right, of course, but the evidence just isn’t there. They are talking aka “in talks”. I think giving it undue emphasis just sounds like undue sensationalising.
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Replace "talks" with "discussions."
it can be plural in that sense. Hey, as long as no apostrophes get involved, I’m “comfortable” with it. ;)
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
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Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
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we speak real english here in america
lousy limey
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Ahem.
Make that: We talk ‘Murcan gooder’n anybody, y’all!
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
A lot is two words. Allot can be one word but it has another meaning.
The only time you really want to use "myself" is when you are the recipient of your own action. Usually you're better off using "me."
Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
It's anyway, not anyways.
But if you only remember one thing...
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
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"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
Why? Seems like a decent enough addition to me ...
Assuming we have a Smith or Smith/Blackmon trade in our back pocket. If not, and we’re just going to dump Smith for a PTBNL, then no, I don’t get it either.
by BostonTransplant on Dec 27, 2011 8:37 AM MST up reply actions
I think he's done and will fall off the cliff.
You might want Spilly back. I don’t see him contributing like I didn’t see Lopez contributing
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
wRC+
2008: 106
2009: 105
2010: 97
2011: 102
Some cliff.
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AVG .240
That’s my guess at least.
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Some giants fans I know thought his defense was falling off...
They were making disparging comments about him being Rowand light $$$ wise. They couldn’t wait to get rid of both of them.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
career high BB rate in 2011, stable K rate, along with a .279 BABIP
if anything, he’s due for a bounceback year.
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Disparage me all you want...
My gut is telling me to Run away on this one.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
I don't want him as a regular starter
but you could do much, much worse as a reserve OF. He’s a pretty great fit in that role.
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I think you are going to be looking at an older Clovin with no upside.
I’d rather give Clovin the chance than spend a dime on Ross
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
If he plays mostly againt LHP, he's a great addition
Having him around for those late inning LOOGY’s is a big psychological advantage. Last year, we had nobody opposing managers had to be careful about, so LOOGY’s absolutely killed us. In late inning PH situations with men on base, it will be Giambi against our right hander or Ross against your lefty, pick your poison.
by BostonTransplant on Dec 27, 2011 9:36 AM MST up reply actions
I almost want to see the Rockies sign Ross
just to prevent O’Dowd from relapsing into an “I wish I could quit you” moment with Spilly.
you could dowe have done much, much worse as a reserve OF.
by Northsider1964 on Dec 27, 2011 9:43 AM MST up reply actions
The question for me is, really: "How much?"
If it’s “not much.” than I’m in…sorta. Gets back to yesterday’s question, though. What are the Rockies thinking? Ross seems like an addition to a “win now” club and I don’t think we’re going to be able to do that.
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well, considering Ryan Spilborghs was worth -1.1 fWAR last season and Cody Ross’ bad 2011 was worth +0.9 fWAR…
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OK but what's the cost in dollars going to be between Ross and Spilly?
And does that move mean we are contending for the division or are we just hoping the Padres don’t out-duel us for fourth? Sure, no sense hanging on to Spilly (though I prefer Mr. Spilly to Mr. Opportunity) but is upgrading to Ross worth it as opposed to Wheeler/Colvin/Blackmon/guy off the street. in dollar terms given the competitiveness of the rest of the team? And I’m not saying no, rather wondering aloud.
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I'm not sure I want either one
I wanted the Rockies to claim Ross off waivers in 2010, because I thought he was certainly worth a waiver claim. Not really sure I want him taking up a roster spot now because, just as you are suggesting, I would rather see young guys get the playing time. But I do so want this team to move on from its dead wood, that I’m almost ready to buy Spilly a first-class plane ticket to Japan out of my own pocket.
by Northsider1964 on Dec 27, 2011 10:37 AM MST up reply actions
I'm not suggesting holding on to Spillbourgs in any event...
Just wondering if the cost to upgrade our fourth outfielder wouldn’t be better applied elsewhere. Again, if we thought (or Dan O’Dowd thinks) that this team is a bench bat away from the post-season than, sure, do it. I’m just not sure I’m seeing a master plan, here.
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A lot is two words. Allot can be one word but it has another meaning.
The only time you really want to use "myself" is when you are the recipient of your own action. Usually you're better off using "me."
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It's anyway, not anyways.
But if you only remember one thing...
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Spillborghs...
Can’t even spell the man’s name!
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It's anyway, not anyways.
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Tell you what, the Sky Sox are going to be pretty decent
Lots of ML quality arms and a pretty good outfield. Maybe Arenado too.
by BostonTransplant on Dec 27, 2011 8:38 AM MST reply actions
No to the ML quality arms
and certainly no to Arenado. They will probably have Wheeler, and possibly Rosario. beyond that it will be the typical scrap heap it has been.
Chatwood, Friedrich, Scahill, Gardner? That’s one of the better rotations that the Springs has seen.
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Thats certainly better that what we have seen
but, I guess my definition of ML quality is a bit different.
I'll take the Nuts rotation
Matzek, Anderson, Campos, Slaats, Schnaitmann (!)
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Tulsa
Bettis, White (it’s where I expect him to start), Cabrera, The rest could be filled with Gardner and Chatwood types.
You like the intriguing top end guys like Cabrera. Fine.
But you seem to have forgotten that my list includes Nick Schnaitmann (!)
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And pomeranz might start down there too
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by purplesocks on Dec 27, 2011 9:24 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
I'm expecting Pom
to be in the majors come OD. Simple reasoning is we don’t have a lefty for the rotation.
i think he'll make the OD rotation as well but I could see the FO wanting to limit his innings and thus keeping him in AA for a little while
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by purplesocks on Dec 27, 2011 11:42 AM MST up reply actions
How does that limit innings though?
You only let him pitch 5 innings against inferior hitters? That doesn’t sound like a great plan.
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well, yeah
its far more damaging to pull a SP early in an MLB game and force a long pen game than in AA, where you can seemingly activate pen arms from the “DL” or inactive list at will
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 27, 2011 12:48 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
it's a pity we're not the padres
and can’t just create uruk’hai relievers at will
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Seriously, how come no one has realized
That Petco is to pitchers what Coors is to hitters?
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by Yokel on Dec 27, 2011 1:57 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
White's a guy with ML success in his past
And presumably recovered from his finger injury. I don’t see him starting in AA unless they’re still avoiding the Springs for pitchers they care about at all cost.
by BostonTransplant on Dec 27, 2011 9:31 AM MST up reply actions
Well
They are still avoiding the Springs for basically any high end prospects. I haven’t seen anything that will change that (unless I missed something).
But, as far as I know, they have all but come out and stated they will not send high end prospects to the Springs.
Have they really said that?
Wow. It that’s the case and the humidor won’t solve the problem, we REALLY need to move that team. Sending guys to AAA for half a season or whatever is a pretty important training tool, since there are always lots of guys with ML experience down there.
by BostonTransplant on Dec 27, 2011 9:38 AM MST up reply actions
Not in those specific words
But if I do remember correctly, when they acquired Pomeranz and White, they said they would be avoiding AAA for both players. Which basically means they don’t trust it as a developmental tool anyway.
But really, this isn’t really isolated. It may be a little more dramatic for the Rockies, but league wide, AAA is viewed as less of a developmental league and more of a holding league for older AAAA subs and for rehabbing.
Going back to the original question
If White and Chatwood, whom they no doubt see as future ML guys, have to avoid AAA, they’ve may have too many guys in Tulsa. I don’t how everyone fits there. Bettis and Cabrera will be there. Anderson will be there soon, if not right away. I’m sure I’m missing someone.
Seems silly to put Gardner and Friedrich at a higher level than White and Chatwood.
by BostonTransplant on Dec 27, 2011 9:48 AM MST up reply actions
Chacin and Rogers both had extended stays at the Springs
its not exclusive. but with white returning from injury and pomeranz returning from a layoff from actually being at the AA leveo, Tulsa was the right decision. I don’t think white and pomeranz are being barred completely from the springs.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 27, 2011 9:53 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
I see Chatwood, Friedrich, Scahill, White, and Gardner
I don’t think they had anyone last year who would even make that rotation. Plus they’ll have the humidor.
by BostonTransplant on Dec 27, 2011 9:25 AM MST up reply actions
So they ditch Mortensen, Reynolds and Riordan?
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by Greg Stanwood on Dec 27, 2011 12:48 PM MST up reply actions
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A lot is two words. Allot can be one word but it has another meaning.
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It's anyway, not anyways.
But if you only remember one thing...
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I like the idea of signing Ross
Mostly on account of I imagine it means Danny will throw someone else in with Smith in a trade. And Jim Tracy says that Ross is a very very special player.
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by wtnelson on Dec 27, 2011 9:37 AM MST via Android app reply actions
Perhaps signing Ross
Makes Wheeler more expendable thus allowing us to open talks back up with Braves for Prado
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by WalkerFan33 on Dec 27, 2011 10:53 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
good way to look at it
arenado: it's Rockie for future
Didn't Tracy say Stewart was a special player at one point?
I like ross for his projected possibility but reality is never so kind. He will hit better then spilly most likely but to hear some SF fans…
by nightninja13 on Dec 27, 2011 9:01 PM MST up reply actions
Rockies ZiPS will post today
he is teasing on Twitter that his projections LOVE the Rockies pitching….except Chatwood, who is rated worse than Billy Buckner and John Maine
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 27, 2011 9:58 AM MST via Android app reply actions
The Angels likely messed up Chatwood's projections for at least a couple of seasons by rushing him through so quickly.
I’m not expecting any statistical model to like him anywhere remotely close to where his actual ability is. Not that he’s a top of the rotation pitcher, or anything, he’s just not nearly as bad as his BB and K rates in a relatively small sample of innings (against far more advanced competition) make him look right now.
I'm not exactly a Chatwood fan, but I certainly agree
seems projections should consider such rush jobs
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 27, 2011 10:40 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
They talk about Cody
They talk about Cody
They talk about Cody
Cody Ross
Avalance 2011-12 season, Mission 45 Wins.
Get well soon Juan.
Yes Freaking Please
a legit RH threat, career .912 OPS against LHP better defensively than Spilly and has been average to above average in some tough hiting environment. I like every time we add a legit MLB hitter
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Another "meh"
So what about 2nd and 3rd base Dan?
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I think they're done with 3B
Casey Blake as the bridge to Arenado, with Pacheco as the backup/inevitable Blake injury sub seems to be the plan there.
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by Junction Rox on Dec 27, 2011 11:11 AM MST up reply actions
And that part of the plan at least makes perfect sense to me.
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Agreed
I’m a little nervous about what happens if/when Blake goes down, but we’re still light years ahead of where I thought we might be at 3B.
I would still like a real solution for 2B, but maybe I’m just getting greedy now…. :-)
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by Junction Rox on Dec 27, 2011 11:22 AM MST up reply actions
Wait, are we even allowed to be competitive in 2012?
I thought we had to wait until 2013.
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Technically, no
but we are allowed to make moves that make us think we’re going to be competitive, but in reality just create an illusion that will ultimately crush our souls.
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by Junction Rox on Dec 27, 2011 11:41 AM MST up reply actions
We hope that Nolan makes us competitive in '13...
as does Rosario and whichever young armz emerge. Blake provides us a pathway to Arenado for 2012 as he won’t be ready to start the season. I’m not so worried about Blake going down as I like Pacheco as a sub more than the crowd here. Plus, there’s always Wood/Nelson etc. Where I’m worried is catcher. I don’t see Hernandez making any more than 100 starts. Sure, there’s Pacheco again and also hope that Rosario is ready. Who else do we have: Morales?
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
A lot is two words. Allot can be one word but it has another meaning.
The only time you really want to use "myself" is when you are the recipient of your own action. Usually you're better off using "me."
Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
It's anyway, not anyways.
But if you only remember one thing...
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
Morales is a Pirate MiLB signing
All signs point to Hernandez/Rosario splitting starts and we’re going to probably bring in competition for Rosario like Navarro for Spring Training just in case
Your 2012 Colorado Rockies:freshly exorcised from Ty Wigginton
considering Pagnozzi and Alfonso weren’t in our system before last season, I don’t think there’s anything to really worry about here.
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What's the over/under on Hernandez starts?
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He's started 76 and 85 the past 2 years
I’d imagine a straight split between him and Rosario would make sense, with each of them catching the pitchers they are comfortable with
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I don't think
that the split will be straight up. He was splitting time with another catcher that was arguably a starter in Hanigan. With Rosario not being completely starter ready I think it would be closer to 100-115 starts for Hernandez.
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Cody Ross is likely less "meh" than any available 2B or 3B
Ross would help this team.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 27, 2011 11:15 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
I'll take any quality major leaguer for this team right now, and be happy with it.
OF’ers get hurt. Regularly. And I sure as hell don’t want to see EY Jr or Jordan Pacheco out there if I don’t need to. An OF contingent of Cargo, Dex, Cuddyer, Blackmon and Ross is rock solid. And this team needs rock solid wherever it can get it.
One more thing: Is Tyler Colvin revives himself at CoSpgs and is major league ready, we have in Ross a nice trade piece to use to fill holes at mid season. If Colvin doesn’t revive himself, then with Ross aboard, we don’t have to look at an unrevived Tyler Colvin at 20th and Blake this season.
Either way, winner.
I'd imagine one of Blackmon/Wheeler becomes expendable in the case of Colvin revives himself
While Blackmon is favored to win the 4th outfielder job I’d rather Blackmon start in the Springs and Colvin win the job unless he looks like his 2011 version of himself
Your 2012 Colorado Rockies:freshly exorcised from Ty Wigginton
Interesting Idea
What if brought in Ross, and kept Smith, and this move was all about moving Dex to the Braves for Jar and Prado….
We would have an outfield of
LF: Smith/Ross Platoon (damn good platoon at that)
CF: Cargo
RF: Cuddy
We get our pitcher, and our 2b. This is the type of creative thinking O’Dowd is hopefully doing.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
I've thought this may be the case for a while
I wouldn’t be totally opposed to it either, though I know many would be.
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by djmbluemoon on Dec 27, 2011 12:31 PM MST via iPhone app up reply actions
Hmmmm....
I’d be too worried about CarGo getting hurt trying to cover all that ground in Cf. If I were more convinced that Wheeler was our CF of The Future and that CarGo would only play center for a year. If I were a bigger Jurjiens fan and if I were convinced that Atlanta would take that two-fer than maybe I do this. So, in essence, no, I don’t think this is a deal I want.
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It would be a bold move, with some risk and plenty of reward
If Jurrjens is a true 2 or 3 quality starter and Prado is solid at 2B, it could turn this team from pretender to contender. If not, it could haunt us, as I think Dex is finally on his path to being something special.
It’s the sort of deal that either gets GM’s an extension or the ax. I’m intrigued, though….
Jurrjens has some serious, serious, bad trends going on for him
His velocity dropped 2mph this year, his LD rate went up, his HR/FB rate has been up the past 2 years, and his peripherals were never great to begin with. Overpaying for Jurrjens is exactly what gets GM’s put in a bad light. I want Prado as our starting second baseman, he’s not the perfect fit defensively, though he’s a perfect fit for our lineup. Still, staph/no staph, he still has to answer for a shitty 2011 and didn’t play 2B at all last year either. Wren needs a new centerfielder/Jone’s replacement and he’s waiting for someone to overpay for pieces he really has no leverage because of the budget and team need.
I’m not even going to start on Dex, who’s extra base hit/OBP ability makes him a true weapon on the top of the order, and was just straight up better than Adam Jones for the entirety of the second half of the season.
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I thought this, too...
then I saw this:
The Rockies’ interest in Cody Ross is based on whether they trade Seth Smith, writes ESPN’s Buster Olney.
Of course, that doesn’t mean he knows everything.
no thanks
dexter is too young and too good to be replaced on the roster by cody ross
arenado: it's Rockie for future
He wouldn't be
He would be replaced by Cody Ross plus whomever we acquire for him, like, say, a Jurrjens or a Niemann or someone like that.
by BostonTransplant on Dec 27, 2011 2:48 PM MST up reply actions
No no no no ...
Trade Dexter at your own peril. If you aren’t sold on his improvements and don’t think he will carry over 2nd-half Dexter to 2012 then it is worth considering. I, however, am a believer and it looks like the FO is too.
Dex isn't going anywhere.
At least not from what I’ve been hearing.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 27, 2011 3:51 PM MST up reply actions
OT: Anyone see the documentary "Senna"?
Streaming on Netflix now. Doc about the late Formula 1 champ Ayrton Senna. Thrilling. One of the best sports films I have ever seen, and I didn’t know a thing about the sport.
Don’t miss it.
Fantastic!
Saw it at the Esquire, cannot wait to pick up my own copy. I love F1 and followed Senna v. Prost back in the day.
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What's really amaing is that is was all made from existing footage
The editing and use of music is brilliant, and it’s hard to believe that some of the footage — which seems to capture every intimate detail (especially at San Marino) was just laying around.
Just looked...
SBNation is without, WITHOUT an F1 blog! How am I expected to waste even more time on the internet?
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I'm sure you'll manage
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Injustice anywhere blah, blah, blah…
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It actually is quite surprising to me that they don't have one
given how insanely popular F1 is everywhere but the USA.
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And it has a sizeable cult following here.
And soon we’ll have Grands Prix in Austin and New Jersey to increase the visibility.
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How accurate have these been historically?
And is projecting nearly 100 RBI for Kevin Kouzmanoff a typo?
must be
considering he’s not on the team
arenado: it's Rockie for future
He's also got Cantu, Maine & Tavares in there. so it's Kouz all right
Looks like anyone whose “last known team” is COL gets on there. So, what exactly, is the basis for Kouzmanoff going .280/22/98? Kouzmanoff’s agent would make a projection like that.
to be clearer....
“….Kouzmanoff’s agent might make a projection like that, but where’s the objective evidence?”
you have to realize one huge thing here
the projection assumes every player is being given opportunity at a clear starting role, which obviously isn’t true. its a “what if” projection. note Kouzmanoff has more AB than Tulo, which would never occur by design. look at AB for Bronson Sardinha. it sure is possible for Kouz to be that productive. It’s higher than I expected but not silly.
also, Dan includes FA with their most recent team, until they sign elsewhere. it isn’t a mistake, its just for organization. we have several such guys on that list
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 27, 2011 1:18 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
So Andrew, if you put some credence in this...
then shouldn’t Kevin kouzmanoff be our starting 3B come April? He’s got Kous with a 98 OPS and Blake with 81…..
I'm not sure why the two are separated by so much
my guess is aging curve, plus Blake’s injury. But yes, I do find it strange that a 3B starved team would just let Kouz go so early in the offseason, especially since he had the best OPS+ of any Rockie to play 3B last year, outside Wigginton. I’m not totally convinced he’d be the best guy for the job, but I’d probably be just as comfortable with Kouz as Blake
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 27, 2011 1:26 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Perhaps it was a $$ thing, although...
I can’t imagine Kouz had that much leverage. During the last 10 or so games of the season, I thought he showed quite a bit and had merited another look. That it was never even considered (at least publicly) is interesting.
Koumanoff has NEVER had a season like that projection
And he’s been a clear starter up until last year.
.280 BA? Where does that come from?
Coors Field inflated numbers
vs Petco Park and Oakland Coliseum career baseline
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 27, 2011 1:45 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Still not buying it
He didn’t look half that good throughout his stay in Denver last season.
I could see his power numbers approaching those projections, but his average? I still think he’d fall in the .250 range.
But, that all said, I wouldn’t have objected to keeping him around.
Nolan Arenado with 578 AB? And 19 HR?
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wow those SP projections are U-G-L-Y
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Well ...
Put another way, you have five starters above league average – Chacin, JDLR, hammel, Pomeranz & Nicasio. On the downside, no SP projected to log 200 IP – Chacin is highest at 177, Hammel at 165 and Nicasio at 133 … the rest below 115.
yeah, but for them to be "above league average"
the league average ERA would have to slide in around 4.75, which would be almost an entire run higher than 2011’s NL average 3.81.
arenado: it's Rockie for future
even we averaged 4.43 as a team last year
arenado: it's Rockie for future
over a sample size of 1450 innings, ERA is perfectly fine
especially there’s only a .2 difference between team ERA and team FIP
arenado: it's Rockie for future
you're missing a park adjustment, methinks
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 27, 2011 1:33 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
.5 run difference between ERA and both xFIP and SIERA
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dude...Coors Field
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 27, 2011 1:27 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
ballpark adjusted ERA+ had us as exactly league average in 2011 with 101 ERA+
giving our pitchers credit for approximately .6 runs
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and this projected staff is better, is it not?
check other team ZiPS. Seven above average P is pretty good. at least, I’d never call it ugly
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 27, 2011 1:36 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
gotta factor in the innings projections as well, though
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the hitters are the ones that are ugly
just four above average bats, and one of them will start once a week
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 27, 2011 1:40 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
and the next closest one won't even be on the team
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The best name ever is Cuddyer's comp #2.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 27, 2011 6:03 PM MST up reply actions
you got the ever part right
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not really
It’s actually better than average. I mean, we have 4 out of 5 SP that are above league average. I’d love that
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 27, 2011 1:19 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Back to my original question....
Is there a place that tracks each year’s projections against actual production? I’d be curious to see if this is actual insight or just tea-leaf reading via spreadsheet.
there was an article a ways back grading out all projection systems against each other
I remember CHONE came on top (which no longer exists), Bill James on bottom. I think ZiPS was #2, and then Marcel and Oliver (can’t remember the order). basically, ZiPS was the best in that study that still exists. of course, there are nuances to each. some predict breakouts and declines more, some are more “accurate” by being very conservative and letting the extremes cancel out.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 27, 2011 1:31 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
i thought marcel and oliver were the best?
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56 XBH for Fowler?
They realize he did that in HALF A SEASON last year, right?
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 27, 2011 6:00 PM MST up reply actions
We wouldn't need to worry about optioning Wheeler anyway.
He’s still MiLB.
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right
just saying if we placed him on the 40 man at any time in 2012
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 27, 2011 1:20 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Rox Rotation Prediction, According to Renck
Rox rotation prediction: millwood, chacin, Hammel, Pomeranz, nicasio..Again a guess. De la rosa will be back in June. White, chatwood in mix
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 27, 2011 1:12 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
wouldn't mind millwood for about half the season
frankly, i trust him way more than chatwood and slightly more than white as DLR placeholder
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the downside to that being is that it takes a spot away from those guys that have to potential to get better, but i see what your saying
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 27, 2011 1:21 PM MST up reply actions
The ordering of it makes me laugh -- Millwood is our ace! :)
Chacin, Nicasio, Pomeranz, Hammel, Millwood with DLR back in June.
That looks better.
I don’t care how you order it, it doesn’t look good. The only way it looks good is if we add prince fielder to play 2nd base in our lineup
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 27, 2011 1:26 PM MST up reply actions
Well, it looks good if....
Chacin, Nicasio and Pom pitch to their potential. Hammel is solid and DLR comes back healthy.
Yeah, that’s a lot of ifs, but this is far from a no-hoper rotation. In fact, it’s a rotation with a very high ceiling. It’s would be nice to have more of a sure thing, but there’s plenty of talent here.
so slowey is in the bullpen or aaa or the unemployment line?
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He's either in the rotation or on another team as a FA
Can’t contractually be anything else, I think.
Most likely OD rotation IMO is Chacin, Pomeranz, Veteran TBD, Hammel and Sowey, with Nicasio making a few rehab starts and then replacing whoever’s pitching poorly. Long run, Hammel gets traded mid-season or ends up where I’ve always thought he should be, which is short relief.
by BostonTransplant on Dec 27, 2011 2:46 PM MST up reply actions
Well, we could pay him quite a bit of money to pitch in AAA since he still has options remaining
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I'm pretty sure his contract gives him an out
If he doesn’t make the 25 man out of ST. Only way I an imagine him signing a non-guaranteed contract. I suppose he could CHOOSE to pitch in the worst pitching park in the MiLB in hopes of impressing someone, but …
by BostonTransplant on Dec 27, 2011 2:50 PM MST up reply actions
This is still up in the air, though, as we can't see the details on the contract.
We know that Slowey isn’t guaranteed the money, but we don’t know what the circumstances are otherwise.
I think we can say with a fair amount of certainly that Slowey didn’t sign a contract that would let the team option him AND forefeit the salary, so the trigger isn’t necessarily the 25 man roster. Basically, either you or Muzia could be correct. Either he has to make the 25 or be released, or he can be optioned down as long as he is paid his full salary, though this situation is probably likely to end in a release as well. If there truly are 2-3 better candidates ready to go out of the Spring, paying that much money for a depth player in the minors is probably going to look less tempting than a release anyway. The question is whether or not it will be mandated.
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by Greg Stanwood on Dec 27, 2011 4:33 PM MST up reply actions
hopefully the latter
there’s a reason a team as shattered as the twins didn’t even want him
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He can't be absolutely ruled out for a bounceback...
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by Greg Stanwood on Dec 27, 2011 6:09 PM MST up reply actions
true
but he shouldn’t be someone we’re in any way counting on, either
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Hence the non-guaranteed contract.
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by Greg Stanwood on Dec 27, 2011 6:13 PM MST up reply actions
it's almost like o'dowd knows what he's doing
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No White?
White will be in the OD rotation…
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 27, 2011 3:53 PM MST up reply actions
Replacing whom?
It’s certainly possible but he’s going to have to earn it in ST. I do like me some competition!
by BostonTransplant on Dec 27, 2011 4:02 PM MST up reply actions
Pomeranz, perhaps.
Millwood. Nicasio might not even be ready.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 27, 2011 4:25 PM MST up reply actions
Too early to tell with so many players.
Right now, it’s Chacin, Hammel, and three of Pomeranz, White, Nicasio, Chatwood and Slowey with dark horse candidates in Rogers and Mortensen, with a good possibility of more starting pitching possibilities on the way in. Right now, White is in contention with five players for three spots, and it could become a competition between more players for even less spots by Spring.
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by Greg Stanwood on Dec 27, 2011 4:40 PM MST up reply actions
Hammel's guaranteed a starting spot?
Hm. Not so sure about that one.
I don’t see Chatwood making the rotation just yet. I do think Pomeranz and White will be in there, along with whatever SP we trade for (assuming we do trade for one). Rogers to bullpen, Mortensen as depth. I’ll still be amazed if Nicasio is ready for OD.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 27, 2011 4:44 PM MST up reply actions
Predictions are fine, but they have to be based on those assumptions.
My point is just that both Chatwood and Nicasio could very well be ready for the rotation. if you’re right and they’re not, then White looks a lot more likely. But until we know otherwise, it’s a five-way race where anybody could realistically be a winner.
Yes, I feel confident in saying that Hammel will be in the rotation unless he’s no longer with the organization, and predicting trades is a futile exercise when you’re actually laying out what’s available. Everything we’ve heard indicates that Nicasio will be physically ready for Spring Training. For now, it’s just a matter if he’s ready to be back on the mound against batters again, which is the biggest reason he’s still a question mark. But unless he falls behind physically, his name is on the list until he shows he’s not ready.
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by Greg Stanwood on Dec 27, 2011 4:51 PM MST up reply actions
Here's something for the SABR folks
when I was a kid, my dad bought me something called “The Baseball Brain”. It was a little plastic coated envelope with die-cut slots that came with cards for each team. You put the card in and opened some flaps and it projected that player’s statistics for the season. This was before fantasy baseball existed (I’m thing 1974 or so). It was marketed by Jim Bouton of Ball Four fame.
It was based on the work of a guy named Walter Lappe and it’s considered by some to be the true forerunner of sabrmetrics. Wish I still had it — probably be worth a buck or two on ebay.
Here’s a very entertaining article by Bouton about it from the time (maybe the first article ever written about the subject of baseball projections) that I think you’ll enjoy:
What's strange is....
I can’t find a single image of the thing on the Net. Just some articles. It’s as if it never existed, but I know I owned one.
Another thing it did — for each hitter it predicted, depending on whether he was facing a lefty or right, soft-tosser or flamethrower, where he would hit the ball and his BA for each situation. It was mildly accurate as I recall.
it's like pitch and hit f/x
truly fascinating read
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For those who aren't link-clickers....
Lappe’s essential premise is that lefty-right matchups weren’t what predicted success, it was the matchup of ground ball/fly ball hitters vs. ground ball/fly ball pitchers. And his take was almost exactly the opposite of what you would expect. It also had to do with vectors, pulling vs. opposite field and other stuff.
It all seemed very foreign back in the day (as nicely portrayed by Bouton in the piece) but the Baseball Brain took all of it and made it simple and fun. Really a genius piece of making math & science accessible, whether or not is was especially accurate.
that was pretty enjoyable
do this and you’ll easily have two .400 hitters in your lineup!
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Sick of all this speculation and ready for baseball dangit
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 27, 2011 3:26 PM MST reply actions 2 recs
Well after my company's announcement today..
I might have a lot more time to spend in spring training this year.
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by Charlie77 on Dec 27, 2011 4:08 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
That sounds...bad.
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Sorry to hear that.
On the bright side, maybe Holly and you can carpool.
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by Charlie77 on Dec 28, 2011 12:03 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
101 days, 15 minutes.
I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.
by prettyinpurple on Dec 27, 2011 3:49 PM MST up reply actions
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFf
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 27, 2011 5:58 PM MST up reply actions
that time part
is wrong, because every time I look at it the time decreases. Just give me a day at this point.
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100 days, 17 hours, 38 minutes
Fine, rounded up- 101 days.
Or, a Really Long Time.
I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.
by prettyinpurple on Dec 27, 2011 10:27 PM MST up reply actions
Thank you
Really Long Time
I can’t wait that long
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You're gonna have to, buddy.
…..
Yeah, I can’t either.
I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.
by prettyinpurple on Dec 27, 2011 10:31 PM MST up reply actions
milledge signed by yakult swallows
$5 says he’ll tear the cover off the ball in japan for 2 years, then come back and have an all-star season for the giants
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so, Tulo's BB-ref page has some amazing names with the similar batters at the same age as he is:
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 27, 2011 6:11 PM MST reply actions
interesting to see the catchers on there
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That's partially due to the way BR does its comps
IIRC it uses the defensive spectrum to weight results. So catchers and shortstops end up close to each other because they’re both hard to play.
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hmm.. and Todd Helton's most similar two batters (not at the same age) are Edgar Martinez and Larry Walker.
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
Luftfeuchtigkeitsregler über alles.
by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 27, 2011 6:13 PM MST up reply actions
look at his ranking on the ELO rater, too
right behind jose bautista and michael young… interesting
arenado: it's Rockie for future
For a second there, I thought it was talking about pop-up statistics.
I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.
by prettyinpurple on Dec 27, 2011 9:15 PM MST up reply actions
they have statistics
for the ability to do a pop-up slide? (which you rarely see anymore)
"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK
hahahaha
Jeromy Burnitz was literally a jackass:
[Jeromy] Burnitz would have fit in with the cast of “Jackass.” As a practical joke, he would empty out bottles of shampoo in the showers on road trips after the last game of the series and pee in them.
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
Luftfeuchtigkeitsregler über alles.
by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 27, 2011 6:29 PM MST reply actions
Funny
keithlaw keithlaw
If the Rockies really do end up signing Ryan Theriot, it would be the perfect combination of player and manager. #TOOTBLAN
Jason Giambi for player-manager in 2012!
How the world will end in 2012: George of the Roses builds a Machine that Pommels everyone with La Violencia during Whiteouts.
what does that mean?
A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves
by waterboy31321 on Dec 28, 2011 7:47 AM MST up reply actions
meh go get Frazier but
please leave Cody Ross alone. I’m already depressed enough that Micheal Cuddyer is going to be a Rockie for 3 years.
by Matthew Culley on Dec 29, 2011 10:54 PM MST reply actions
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