Wednesday Rockpile: The 2011 Off-Season in Review; Looking to 2012
by Jeff Aberle on Dec 28, 2011 7:45 AM MST
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Now that baseball has settled down for a long winter's nap (and the terrible year for the Rockies that was 2011 is ending), it's time to assess how the Rockies have done so far this off-season and to take a look ahead to 2012.
The off-season began with gaping voids at 2B, 3B, SP, and bench depth--and now that we're three months into the off-season, those voids are only slightly less gaping thanks to the addition of Michael Cuddyer, Ramon Hernandez, Casey Blake, Brandon Wood, DJ LeMahieu, Tyler Colvin, Jamie Hoffmann, Tyler Chatwood, and Kevin Slowey. These guys replaced Chris Iannetta, Ian Stewart, Huston Street, Ty Wigginton, Ryan Spilborghs, and Casey Weathers -- only one of which (two if you ascribe special value to closers) who was an above average MLB player.
In the sense that the Rockies acquired more players that are likely to be league average or better this off-season on a rate basis (Cuddyer, Hernandez, Blake) than they let go (Iannetta, Street maybe), this off-season has been a success. The major additions this off-season, Cuddyer and Hernandez, replace league average players with...league average players, except more expensive (in Cuddyer's case) and older ones. So in that sense the off-season has been a little confusing.
Cuddyer makes Colorado's bench stronger insofar as it pushes Seth Smith, who despite his defensive inadequacies and troubles hitting left-handers has been an above average hitter and an asset in the 2/3 of games started by a righty, to the bench. There's no denying that having Smith as a bench bat in case of injury or for late inning matchups is superior to having Ryan Spilborghs or Ty Wigginton, especially if Colorado were to sign lefty killer Cody Ross as a 5th outfielder to round out a deep, productive outfield. The problem? Smith is almost certainly going out of town, likely to replaced by the inferior Ross as the 4th OF.
When the Rockies signed Cuddyer, they lost a bunch of trade leverage on Smith. It basically meant that the Rockies had to trade him, as his projected value to Colorado was much lower than it would be to other teams. Colorado sold low on Street (still a good reliever), Wigginton (hey, maybe we shouldn't have guaranteed $8 million to this guy), Stewart (though the return wasn't bad), and arguably Iannetta (depends on where you stand on Chatwood). Smith, an above average hitter with 3 years of team control left who I would have been fine starting for Colorado in 2012, was supposed to be different in that he was going to bring back a substantial major league return like Martin Prado or Jonathon Niese. This still remains a possibility, but forgive me if I do not hold my breath.
Colorado had plenty of salary flexibility coming into this off-season thanks in large part to the big decrease in Todd Helton's salary as well as Aaron Cook's departure. Early in the off-season the Rockies then created more room by dumping Street and Wigginton's salaries for essentially nothing. All I can say is that Michael Cuddyer had better be worth the money and Seth Smith had better be traded for something that actually fills a hole on this team, because that's the only way that this off-season's strategy makes sense for 2012. Getting Paul Maholm or Kevin Millwood to fill out the rotation and actually give us some innings would help too.
I won't be ashamed of Colorado's everyday 2012 line-up if it includes Blake and LeMahieu at 3B/2B, Smith on the bench, and a rotation that includes Slowey, but I can't shake the feeling that it could have been better.
Fun with ZiPS projections
Baseball Think Factory's Dan Szymborski has his 2012 ZiPS projections out for the Rockies, so now is a good time to look at his version of the 2012 Rockies. First of all, it's important to note that these are his projections of how a player would do with full playing time in the major leagues (so no, he's not projecting Joe Mather to get 350 plate appearances in 2012). Any current free agents that last played for Colorado in 2011 are listed with the Rockies.
The quick version is that ZiPS projects Colorado to have five above average hitters in 2012, one of which is Jason Giambi and another of which is Seth Smith. The former won't play much and the latter will probably be gone, so that leaves Colorado with a solid 3-4-5 (Tulo-CarGo-Cuddyer) but not a ton of heft outside of that. That isn't to say that Colorado's line-up will be only 3 deep. Dexter Fowler, Hernandez, and Helton are projected to only be slightly below average, while Nolan Arenado isn't actually that far behind.
Of the 2B/3B options, it's surprising to me that Casey Blake rates so low (ageism, I tells ya), below guys like Arenado, Brad Emaus, and is equivalent to DJ LeMahieu and Chris Nelson. Going strictly by ZiPS, the 2B/3B starters should be Emaus (not even on the radar screen at the moment) and Arenado. Of interest is that a couple of the worst ZiPS projections are for 2B/3B candidates Jordan Pacheco (73 OPS+) Thomas Field (72 OPS+) and Jonathan Herrera (63 OPS+). I cannot emphasize how much I don't want Herrera to play a role on this team.
As for pitching, Colorado fares pretty well, with five starters projected to be above average (Chacin, JDLR, Hammel, Pomeranz, and Nicasio). The problem is that none of them are projected to pitch more than 178 innings. Millwood looks like the best innings eater available, while Chad Bettis is projected to be around league average if Colorado puts him the rotation (Slowey isn't bad either). Tyler Chatwood...does not project well, yikes. This is a function of the Angels pushing him too fast through their system more than anything else.
Looking toward the future in these projections is always a fun exercise, but I would be lying if I told you that I wasn't looking forward about 100 days or so to Opening Day.
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Klaw
If the Rockies really do end up signing Ryan Theriot, it would be the perfect combination of player and manager. #TOOTBLAN
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TOOTBLAN
TOOTBLAN is, of course, Thrown Out on the Basepaths Like a Nincompoop – a component of the Ryan Theriot Adjusted On-Base Percentage (RTAOBP). Both were invented here at WV23 as an exercise in rationalizing Theriot’s deceptively high OBP in 2008.
As a reminder, RTAOBP is calculated thusly:
RTAOBP = (Hits+Walks+HBP-CS-Thrown Out On The Basepaths Like A Nincompoop)/Plate Appearances (AB+BB+HBP+SF).
hahah thats funny
KLaw really hates Jim Tracy and mostly everything Rockies
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 28, 2011 8:03 AM MST up reply actions
Good morning Row!
First time I’ve posted in a while but this has been a confusing offseason.
I just don’t see any move that said, “Hey! Look at me! I’m worth at least two more wins!” which is somewhat confusing seeing as we had a veritable dumptruck load of money to spend (for the Rockies anyways). Even taken together, I can’t say we’re better today than we were at season’s end. Maybe but not substantially so, maybe we move from 73 wins to 76? But then again, we’ve shipped out our closer, we’re depending on a 38 year old 3B coming off a pretty serious injury and has posted a whopping .720 OPS over the past two years, a rotation full of 4’s and 5’s, and a OF/3B/1B who plays each position about as well as I do.
Honestly, all of these moves have seemed like “moving for moving’s sake,” which usually leads to pretty painful results.
I'm pretty sure we got rid of Ty Wigginton...
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that's what you think now
just wait until philly sends him back as the PTBNL
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and they'll pick up all of his remaining salary
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 28, 2011 3:28 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
More or less agree
They have made moves where you can see the logic, and can see why they did it. But nothing so far strikes me as a true improvement to the team. Really, the only change to the team is the approach.
But, who knows. We have Tulo and Cargo. Those two make us competitive every year. Perhaps it will work out.
Mostly agree. However, I think Cuddyer is being slightly underrated because he isn’t flashy and was never the player Beltran once was. He is a solid contributer and has the potential to hit .280 with 25 bombs, hitting behind Cargo and Tulo. While his glove is not solid, his arm is very very solid. Just wait, I live in Twins territory and have seen him gun people down with his arm and it is pretty awesome.
The pitching staff has gotten considerably deeper, but not sure if it has gotten better which is scary considering our offense hasn’t gotten a whole lot better.
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 28, 2011 8:20 AM MST up reply actions
I disagree and think it's been an excellent off-season
It’s easy (I know, I do it all the time) to think of real world player acquisition like it’s in fantasy baseball - look at departing player’s stats, new player’s stats, subtract - but in fact we had a clubhouse culture last year that stunk, and we’re well on our way to fixing it. It didn’t stink in the usual way, with bad apples, but in a peculiar and corrosive way that was obvious even to the fan watching on TV, mostly in the way our key players had stopped improving and weren’t adjusting to the league, and in how poorly we performed the fundamentals. Clearly there was no accountability. I would have preferred on the whole to try dumping the manager first, but what we’re doing also works.
Cuddyer’s a very solid add. Beltran’s a more dynamic hitter but also a bigger injury risk and costs more (and we don’t know if he would have even signed here) so I can’t really argue. I don’t know where people get the idea that he’s an especially bad right fielder. He’s perfectly fine as a fielder, and has a gun for an arm.
We’ve also added some solid pitching depth, which will allow us to transfer some of our bigger arms (Rogers, Bettis, Hammel maybe) to the bullpen, where they could really thrive. I like where we are, with one move still to come (and yes, I do think we can get a decent return for Smith and prospects).
by BostonTransplant on Dec 28, 2011 8:23 AM MST up reply actions
I think I'm much less disappointed in this offseason than most.
Aside from the Street trade, it’s gone a bit better than expected. Wiggy gone, Stewart traded for some potential pieces, and we signed our first big name free agent in a decade. Can’t complain there.
Let’s face it; after several years of absolute disappointment, it was time to move on from players. On this blog, we can talk about who should or shouldn’t go, but we aren’t in the clubhouse. The people who live and work at Coors have a much more attuned sense as to who isn’t working out, and they are moving past these players. We probably should, too.
We all wanted changes after this past season and, for the first time in a long while, we are getting changes.
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I certainly am happy that they are at least moving in a direction
I had my doubts earlier that there was no direction to move towards, but it seems like there is. I’m just a bit disappointed that there hasn’t been one change that I can call 100% positive.
I’m pretty sure we got rid of Ty Wigginton…
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we got rid of street...
so didn’t that go down?
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Never will.
/bitter
I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.
by prettyinpurple on Dec 28, 2011 11:27 AM MST up reply actions
I suppose it's just frustrating...
that our “direction” is always changing. That’s not to say your team shouldn’t evolve with the players you have on your roster, it’s never a good idea to put a square peg in a round hole, but you should always be taking and developing your players towards your “direction.”
This is just another chapter in Rockies history. First we were the Blake Street Bombers. Then we went speed/defense. Then we went with groundball pitchers. Then we went with OBP guys. Then we move towards more strikeout-type pitchers (with one sinker guy in the rotation at all times it seems). Now we’re moving towards higher contact guys. And mind you, this wasn’t because we were constantly changing front offices with different philosophies, this has basically been the same guy now through several of those chapters. It’s like a 10 year old kid deciding which Jolly Rancher flavor is his favorite at the time.
To be fair, we also play in the most unique environment in all of sports.
We still haven’t quite figured out how to win consistently at Coors.
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score more than the opponent?
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 28, 2011 8:45 AM MST up reply actions
I certainly understand that
But at the same time, you can’t be changing philosophies every four years. Sure, a crop of players might not turn out the way you want them to but that doesn’t mean you should just abandon your plan, if you believe that’s a winning plan. Changing the direction of a team usually takes several years to take hold, both from a front office perspective, to managing, to the players themselves.
It’s no different in football. Today we’re a running team. Tomorrow we’re a spread offense. Now we’re focusing on defensive secondary. Tomorrow, we’ll focus on our defensive line.
Successful teams always have an “identity” and live by such. We still don’t have that.
Sure, but it's not like we can just look at another club's strategy and copy it.
The only way to find a successful formula is to innovate, experiment, and adjust.
What if it is true that pitchers only have around 600 innings of health at altitude in their arms?
What if we need high contact guys to succeed at Coors?
What does it take for free agents to be willing to play here?
There’s a lot of unanswered questions, and there isn’t a set blueprint to emulate.
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I’m pretty sure the best strategy for Coors/Rockies is.
1-Ace Pitcher that can Stop skids and turn is in the right direction, a 16+ game winner
3-4- Guys who can rake, by rake I mean .280-.310 with 30+ homer power,
2-Guys who can field, get on base, and have tons of speed
3-Bullpen guys at the end of games who are lights out
The rest are all young cost controlled players making the min
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 28, 2011 9:23 AM MST up reply actions
(that sounds like every team’s formula for success)
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Ok, how about this
Step 1: Acquire all the young armz
Step 2: ????
Step 3: Profit
by Purple Row Troll on Dec 28, 2011 10:11 AM MST up reply actions
Much better.
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I get the meme reference, but it's still rather telling that "win" is not in that list.
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LOL CHEAPFORTZ
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I'm not trying to indict the Monforts
They proved they’re willing to spend money with the Tulo and Cargo extensions. My point is this offseason has just seemed like a bunch of housecleaning and lateral moves. Maybe there’ll be some addition by subtraction, but right now it looks to me as though the picture going into 2012 is right about the same as it was going into 2011. Last year, we of the purple-tinted glasses were all hoping for a half-dozen “if’s” to come together all at once. So far this winter, the picture looks about the same. The “if’s” themselves are a little different, but they’re still there.
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I would like to point out
that it just wasn’t the people with the purple tinted glasses, we were picked by a lot of folks to run away with the NL West and represent the NL in the world series.
Last year truly represented a meltdown that I have never seen – and I think really represents what a worst case scenario for this team looks like. Nobody could have predicted what actually happened in 11 and i think moving forward it is going to prove to be a statistical anomaly for this club.
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Now that Iannetta is gone, at least.
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nice.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 28, 2011 3:30 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
somehow
cheap forts
made me laugh more than
cheap farts
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 28, 2011 3:29 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Guess you're not a fan of
cheap lulz…
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Junction Rox on Dec 28, 2011 3:48 PM MST up reply actions
As the pirates and Marlins have proved before the report came out against them ...
Profit =/= win
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Plus the holes the Rox had were in areas not exactly brimming with available talent.
I’m still grading “incomplete” and would like to see an addition to the rotation. And I still think that 2013 is when we’ll see this iteration of a plan come to fruition.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 28, 2011 8:37 AM MST up reply actions
The Rotation thing isn't really fair though
Hammel has been a 3 in 2 out of the last 3 seasons, Chacin is at least a 2, JDLR is a 2, Nicasio is a 2-3 upside guy, my problem with this offseason is mainly that we haven’t acquired 2 180+inning guys to allow us to do what is best for our prospects. I could be wrong Millwood/Maholm, Chatwood, and Slowey might all throw 150+ innings but as of right now there is no way we make the playoffs unless White or Pomeranz have a Chacin like rookie season.
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
I mostly agree with this
We do still want an innings eater. But I don’t think your last sentence is all that unlikely. Pomeranz in particular is quite likely to have a “Chacin-like” rookie season. He’s a polished lefty who’s already shown he can get ML hitters out. Unless he gets hurt or something, I consider it a very good bet he is in the ROY conversation by September. He’s that good.
by BostonTransplant on Dec 28, 2011 8:27 AM MST up reply actions
I really like him and think that a 2014 rotation of
Pomeranz, Chacin, White, Nicasio, Chatwood would easily be the deepest and most talented rotation we have ever had. Add Chad Bettis, Tyler Matzek, Tyler Anderson, Cabrera, Gardner, Friedrich, Tago, et al as rotation depth or bullpen help and I think we coul be pretty nasty. by 2014, hopefully Arenado has become Michael Young at 3B, Story/Herrera are on the team or knocking on the door.
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Forgot JDLR, too
I see a 2013 rotation of Chacin, Pomeranz, JDLR back to his regular self, Nicasio, and whomever because the first four are flat our nasty.
by BostonTransplant on Dec 28, 2011 8:58 AM MST up reply actions
Joe Blanton?
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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 28, 2011 9:07 AM MST up reply actions
I think this is a fair assessment
I can see the starting pitching being solid in a couple of years. But my biggest disappointment this offseason is that the Rockies didn’t really go hard after any solid, immediate rotation help. If the pickings were just too slim or the prices were too high, I guess that’s the way it goes. But listening to O’Dowd (on the season ticket holders’ call) try to sell us on Kevin Slowey and Nick Schmidt as rotation pieces was very hard to take.
C’mon, Dan. You said you were going to go hard after a middle-of-the-rotation starter, and instead you went dumpster diving. Maybe he’ll get lucky and a couple of young arms will blossom early, but if that doesn’t happen he’s left this team vulnerable to a 5th place finish.
by Northsider1964 on Dec 28, 2011 9:46 AM MST up reply actions
Well the offseason isn't over so we may still be in on Jurrjens or Niese
and who knows maybe we offer EJax a contract.
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Yeah that's still a possibility
I just get the sense that O’Dowd really miscalculated the market rate for a halfway decent proven starter. And when reality set in, he pretty quickly got left behind. I would love to be wrong about that, but right now it’s a source of frustration.
by Northsider1964 on Dec 28, 2011 10:04 AM MST up reply actions
He did free up a lot of money but this team seems to be aimed at 2013-18
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FWIW...
BA has our 2015 Rotation projected as:
No. 1 Starter Drew Pomeranz
No. 2 Starter Jhoulys Chacin
No. 3 Starter Chad Bettis
No. 4 Starter Alex White
No. 5 Starter Tyler Anderson
I could see this as our rotation as soon as 2013 substituting Nicasio/JLDR for Bettis who I think ends up in the ’pen and either one of Matzek, Friedrich or Chatwood progresses as originally hoped or we have a Hammel-type to fill out the rotation.
My projected 2012 Rotation:
1. Chacin
2. Pomeranz
3. Nicasio
4. Hammel
5. White
Of course JLDR slides in for whomever is injured/struggling when he is able. I can live with this.
by Traindogger on Dec 28, 2011 10:32 AM MST up reply actions
I have a hard time writing Nicasio in in pen. Love it if he made it but depending on him to carry a significant load in 2012 is going to lead to disappointment.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 28, 2011 10:41 AM MST up reply actions
someone would be traded by that point, i think
we gotta hope that matzek will have made the majors by 2015
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Also Wiggy, Stewart, Spilly, and Cook
that is a big pile of 2011 suck right there. Street is not as good of a pitcher as Betancourt, and shouldn’t be making 1/10th of our payroll, I do think we should have recieved more for him, and shouldn’t have traded him in division.
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
Hammel was a 4 WAR pitcher in 2009-10 that is at least a 3
JDLR was pitching like a 2 when he went down to TJ, If Gio Gonzalez is a 2-3 so is JDLR. Nicasio was 70 inning into a 3.6 FIP 3.4 XFIP season when he got hurt he posted a 2.19 FIP in AA so 2-3 is fair for a guy who posted a 3.22 K/BB as a rookie.
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Are we talking about what they were
what they will be over their career, or what they will be in 2012? I’m taking the perspective from 2012, which isn’t looking too good for these players. My expectations are for De La Rosa to pitch like a 5 in 2012, Hammel maybe a 4, and I can’t pin any expectations for Nicasio due to the uncertainty to his type of injury.
Fair enough but Hammels is just as likely to regain his 09-10 form as he is to fall apart
If DeLaRosa is back by May there is no reason to think he forgot how to pitch so he is at least a 3-4. Nicasio will have the mental part to overcome but since he pounds the strikezone and doesn’t walk anyone I have high hopes that he comes back fine.
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
It's very rare for a pitcher to return from
TJ surgery and regain his total form. The typical time line is one year to return to pitching, two to return to being effective. So, I expect him back, but I don’t expect him to be good.
for Jorge, and for Juan, I do have high hopes. I really do hope they can come back and really help out. But I have to force myself to set very low expectations.
I don't don't think it is that rare
in fact I will need you to cite some examples. Tim Hudson, Strasburg, Smoltz, Marcum, AJ Burnett and Jamie Garcia all jump to mind as guys who came back just as strong if not stronger than they were pre surgery.
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Jordan Zimmermann was pretty good too. Liriano is like the only one I can think of who has been all over the place after TJ surgery…
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Zimmerman was way unlucky on HR rate everything else was right in line
Liriano is very interesting as he has had one other worldly season(rookie) one amazing season(2010) one partial decent season(2008) and two awful seasons(09-11) but I don’t know that TJ has as much to do with it as his noggin does
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
I think the most disparaging thing....
about the offseason thus far is that we had three major holes: 3b, 2b and SP. Really, we haven’t done much to sore those up for 2012. Yea, Chatwood could be great after some more MiLB time, DJLM is OK but not really what the club needs now.
I think that is what causes the concern. We know Blake is a placeholder for Arenado but 2b and SP have not been clearly helped. Unless you subscribe to the AQUIRE ALL THE YOUNG ARMZ plan
If we can't swing Prado I think we hit ST with about 10 options at 2B
DJLMH, Nelson, Herrera, Field, Emaus, EY2, Pacheco
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And maybe...
a couple of special volunteers from the stands.
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Will the good 2012 ever get here?
2B is apparently going to be a sinkhole again
But who knows, maybe DJLM will turn out to be league average. Doesn’t take much these days, unless you’re in Cincinnati, Philly, or Atlanta.
I actually like our pitching staff, especially its depth. With JDLR and Nicasio coming back, we have real elite talent at spots 1-4 in house, with other young guys hanging around with that kind of ability, albeit unproven. I also have a sneaking suspicion that Slowey’s going to be a pretty decent #5. Don’t know why I think that, maybe because the last time I followed the AL he was very good. Or because he never ever walks anyone, which makes for a special place in my heart.
by BostonTransplant on Dec 28, 2011 9:04 AM MST up reply actions
Jorge Soler
would everyone here rather we get Millwood and Soler or pay the price to get Niese?
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I'd take Soler in a nano-second
Yes, the price will be pretty high, but your adding a top prospect. He would fit in our list just behind Pomeranz and Arenado.
Millwood, I have no opinion either way.
Would love Soler
There are those who consider him better than Cespedes. Seems pretty darn unlikely though. He’s not Venezuelan …
by BostonTransplant on Dec 28, 2011 9:00 AM MST up reply actions
What really make me mad is that we likely could have had
Millwood, Maholm, Ross/Smith, and Soler for just what we spent on Cuddyer over the next 3 years
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Not sure we would actually have been better though ...
Signing Millwood AND Maholm would be kind of ridiculous and would just block a better arm. We can still have one of them and Ross. Soler’s an OF who wouldn’t have anyplace to play if we had a Smith/Ross platoon in left. And there’s no way he would sign here. I think he’d be the first Cuban in the Rocky Mountain region …
by BostonTransplant on Dec 28, 2011 9:08 AM MST up reply actions
Soler is 19 so he would be starting in Modesto at best so no concerns there
considering the crazy amount of latin talent we have developed I doubt he has a poor opinion of our org. If we had Millwood and Maholm instead of Slowey and a trade candidate it amounts to the same thing.
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by Junction Rox on Dec 28, 2011 4:14 PM MST up reply actions
Most I've heard have Soler below Cespedes ...
… and obviously a risk given his youth – could be good, could flame out. Wouldn’t mind adding him of course but he’s not even close to a sure thing.
by Traindogger on Dec 28, 2011 10:38 AM MST up reply actions
Right but if you don't want to drop 40 milion on Cespedes
18 mil on Soler seems like a better bet
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I would have to trust my scouting department, but 18 mil on an unproven 18 year old just sounds dumb to me unless your name is Bryce Harper, and even at that thats a lot of scrilla
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 28, 2011 1:06 PM MST up reply actions
It is a risk and some of these guys turn into Lastings Milledge
but some of them turn in to Andruw Jones too
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I don't know
the prospects well enough to evaluate them. I do feel that unless Cuddyer is the real deal (i.e. an above-average major league outfielder that produces runs), the offseason is a wash as far as veteran players. Street was too expensive, Spilly/Stewart didn’t give us anything. I didn’t really like the Iannetta move, but if the pitcher is any good, that could change. I guess I’m frustrated because I have no idea what the end game here is. It feels like tossing a bunch of stuff together just to see what happens.
I kind of agree, I’m not disappointed in the offseason overall, but it there is a ‘throw spaghetti at the wall’ element to the offseason and I can’t say any of the moves we’ve made really delighted me. I think DOD’s plan has revealed itself to be not focused on filling some of the main holes, but rather just focus heavily on addition by subtraction (which I actually like despite its unsexiness) and obtain good clubhouse guys…
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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 28, 2011 10:06 AM MST up reply actions
I really think the plan was addition by subtraction for 2012. Remove the pieces that were seen as the biggest problems in 2011. Build a bridge to 2013 with all the young arms, should give us a good idea of what the rotation will be in 2013.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 28, 2011 10:06 AM MST up reply actions
and this is based on what exactly?
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Seriously though
when is the last time a team “added by subtracting” and actually didn’t do horribly?
by Purple Row Troll on Dec 28, 2011 10:30 AM MST up reply actions
Arizona 2011
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 28, 2011 10:31 AM MST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
that’s too long ago ATF, give us a post-expansion era example.
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Guess I don’t keep track enough then (or my hate for the D-backs goes deep enough for me to exclude them from offseason-tracking). Who’d they get rid of besides Reynolds?
by Purple Row Troll on Dec 28, 2011 10:44 AM MST up reply actions
almost all of their pitching staff
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 28, 2011 10:53 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
But if you just had arguably the most disappointing season in franchise history
most likely the ship won’t be righted in one year. Major holes were exposed. And without trading our top prospect, we couldn’t just write a check and fill in those holes. So take some areas that underperformed in 2011 (catcher, RF) and upgrade them. Then grab every arm you can and see what happens.
Not saying it’s the best direction ever, but it’s a direction. For 2012 at least.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 28, 2011 10:40 AM MST up reply actions
2011 Diamondbacks did that exact thing last season.
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The only difference is they really did upgrade their biggest weakness (bullpen) also, which is much easier to do than upgrade 2b, sp, and maybe 3b…
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but look who they threw out there at 1B, 3B, SS…they had plenty of holes magically filled just by trying someone out at those spots.
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well, maybe we’ll get some of that luck and maybe Tracy will magically learn to just leave stuff alone.
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by Resolution on Dec 28, 2011 10:46 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
So did LeJury come back finding for LeMath then?
The off-season sucks.
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I still like mixmath
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 28, 2011 11:59 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
I think the idea appears to be to build a core of young talent to be ready for Cargo and Tulo's prime
Cargo and Tulo are both potential 6-7 WAR players, Arenado is potential 5 WAR player as is Fowler, if Rosario can become a 2.5-4 WAR catcher, Wheeler/Blackmon can become a 3 WAR OF, Mathes/Parker/Dickerson/Zuanich can become a 2-4 WAR 1B and Field/Adames/Rutledge/Story/Herrera can become a 2-4 WAR 2B, combined with the arms we have collected we have a chance to win the division several times in the next 6 years.
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san diego just got a boatload of good stuff though
and while arizona lost parker, they have to be division favorites for probably the next couple years
arenado: it's Rockie for future
AZ has one top end bat on that team
they are also a year removed from being pretty bad, nothing says they don’t regress the way we did.
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if skaggs and bauer turn out like they should,
upton could be the only the hitter on the team period and they’ll win games
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I tend to agree
And that raises an interesting question regarding Tracy. He frustrates me less than most people here, though I certainly wouldn’t be upset to see him go.
So what would be considered a “bad” season for this roster of players? I guess I view this as a 4th place team that could slip to 5th if the starting pitching doesn’t come together, or sneak into 3rd if the offense improves and the bullpen holds up. And, I think that will be the consensus among the MLB writers and talking heads.
So what level of sucking in 2012 would trigger Tracy’s departure? If you are anxious to see him gone, I think you are in for a long wait.
by Northsider1964 on Dec 28, 2011 10:12 AM MST up reply actions
I'm really curious how
an as yet uninjured team with an equal or slightly greater talent level is supposed to do worse than Murphy’s whipping boy did last year.
by Purple Row Troll on Dec 28, 2011 10:14 AM MST up reply actions
That's the frustrating thing
I would be disappointed by a 3rd place finish in 2012. Not because I have any real expectations for the team, but because our division is so wide open.
The Dbacks won handily last year, and I’m still not convinced they’re a very good team. The Giants, Dodgers, and Padres look pretty meh for 2012. We have two of the four best players in the division, a good bullpen, and plenty of pitching options. We may not be good next year, but I don’t see why we can’t be competitive in this division.
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I'll be disappointed by a 3rd place finish
Because it means we are treading water at a time when the team’s stars are entering their peak production years. But even though I agree with you about the NL West in general, I certainly expect no better than 3rd place based on the talent level assembled. Anything’s possible, but I just don’t see it. Not enough starting pitcher innings on this team, and the other pieces just aren’t good enough to make up for it.
by Northsider1964 on Dec 28, 2011 10:38 AM MST up reply actions
I agree that SP is the biggest concern
and there’s really no way to reasonably predict who will be in the rotation, let alone how they will do.
would you be disappointed in a third place finish that was above .500, and contended for a wild card spot until the last week or so?
or a third place team that was around .500 and very close to the second place team, but someone, say arizona, won upper-90s games and essentially ran away with the division all year?
arenado: it's Rockie for future
Probably not.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 28, 2011 3:31 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
You, Senator, are no DAWNMARIE01...
I’ll be disappointed if the Padres shove past us for fourth.
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I dunno. If 2011 didn’t get Tracy the heave-ho ( in the addition by subtraction vein) not sure what would cause him to get tossed in a stop gap year. I think more than anything they don’t want to pay him not to manage in the last year of his contract. Maybe a third place finish gets him gone, doing better than expectations gulp gets him another contract.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 28, 2011 10:22 AM MST up reply actions
I think DOD has made it clear
that he didn’t put much blame on Tracy for last year, else why the purge? Pretty clear to me that DOD places most of the failure of 2011 at the feet of Stewart, Ubaldo and Friends. I happen to think that this is generally the right view (which isn’t to say I endorse Tracy, just that I think he was probably #12 or so on the list of “problems”).
I'd have to put Tracy
much higher than number 12 on the list of problems, because I think his fingerprints are all over many of the other problems. Obviously the underperformers have to own their lack of production, but I certainly think that Smith, Iannetta, and even Stewart were not exactly put in positions to succeed. You could probably add a number of position players and pitchers to that list. However, if he isn’t on the hotseat after last year’s abomination, he’s probably safe for another year or two.
by volduck on Dec 28, 2011 11:41 AM MST up reply actions 4 recs
THIS!!!!!!
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Here's what I think O'D and the Monforts saw....
- The Rox made a great run for Hurdle and then quit on him.
- So Hurdle got canned and in comes Tracy. The Rox made a great run for him and then quit on him.
If you can play brilliantly for a guy for a few months and then tune him out, maybe it’s the manager’s fault if it happens once. When it happens twice, you start thinking maybe there’s something else going on.
In situations like this, the FO goes about the process of trying to figure out who the types of guys that need to go and the types of guys who need to come in. That’s really what this offseason seems to be about. When OD talks about changing the culture, I suspect this is what he has on his mind — fill the room with guys who play for pride and wins, not guys who’ll gripe about playing time or (remember this?) because the manager is bouncing a ball on the dugout floor.
This isn’t a defense of Tracy — I have my issues with him too. But the hot and cold nature of this franchise over the past four years tells me something about the culture.
I think these are fair points
although I tend to look at ‘07 in particular as some sort of miraculous set of circumstances rather tnan a statement about Hurdle’s ability or the effort of the players. The ‘09 run with Tracy obviously had something to do with the managerial change. I didn’t look out and see a lot of guys obviously quitting last year. What I did see was a lot of guys that looked dejected and clueless. Does that reflect poorly on their mental toughness? Absolutely. However, I think at least some of it could be the result of ineffective and indecisive leadership.
Yeah, it's hard to know where the player's responsibility stops and the manager's begins...
“quitting” is a harsh term and one that’s difficult to prove, so let’s replace it with “lacked an urgency to win”. I do think we can agree that showed up last season.
In that regard, it’s more on the players. I know fans scream for teams to hire “in your face” managers to yell at the players and supposedly spark them to victory, but these are major league players and grown men. The pride and powerful desire to win has to come from within.
I don't know if I agree
this isn’t basketball where you can easily see who is hustling for loose balls or not boxing out. An “urgency to win” in baseball is something that is purely guesswork, unless a guy is clearly not trying to run a grounder out or make a catch or whatever, and I don’t know if that applies to our guys. The “urgency to win” is probably found more in the batting cage and film room, and we just can’t know how that goes (other than trusting DOD’s obvious conclusions).
So scrap "urgency to win" and replace it with whatever you like
My point is that losing seemed to fit the ‘11 team like a warm, comfy blanket. We don’t know what happened behind the scenes, but on the field, we saw the same mistakes and failures repeated again and again. Did this team strike you as focused? Did this strike you as a team where guys held each other fully accountable?
Of course, this is all wildly subjective and speculative, and there is no way for us on teh outside to measure how much was on the players and how much on the coaching staff.
I don't really mean to run down your point
because there is certainly a very real chance that you are right on. But to me that sort of stuff always, and I mean always, follows a losing team that had any sort of expectations at all. Its just so hard to quantify and how do you fix it? Perhaps its right to read DOD’s deadwood burning as exactly a response to the issues you address.
To me though, we just need to get more good players. Johnny Herrerra always strikes me as super focused and accountable. EY Jr, too. Its a good attribute to have, no doubt. But not enough.
I knew where you were coming from and of course you maike valid points
This stuff is entirely unquantifiable.
My feeling stems from getting a very different vibe off the ‘11 team that I never quite got from our many previous disappointing seasons. The fundamentals are what set me off, I suppose. We weren’t just getting beat by better talent, we beat ourselves, over and over. And nothing seemed to change, regardless of closed door meetings and lineup juggling. Malaise is the best word I can think of.
If that lifts, I’ll consider this offseason a win.
12 was hyperbole
but blaming Tracy for Stewart is nonsense, likewise 2b issues, injuries and our poor pitching performances. Those fall at the players feet, and for those who seek to find a scapegoat, DOD stands before Tracy in that line. Smith has a complaint, to be sure. CDI could maybe have been marginally more productive if used differently but I doubt it would have amounted to much in the bigger picture. I guess some relievers might complain about usage, but I suspect that is true in every single clubhouse. Who else could gripe?
Its not like this was a 88 win team that Tracy ran down by 15 wins by batting CDI 8th, Ellis 2nd, platooning Smith and playing matchups with relievers. The team was really bad overall this year. Everyone is at fault, including Tracy. But DOD has chosen some other fall guys, as unpopular here as that may be. We’ll see if he’s right.
well, as RIRF put it, a manager can certainly control how many PA he gives to gawdawful players. 2011 Jim Tracy was very, very bad at that (though with so many underachievers up and down the lineup, some was inevitable)
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We only had
like 4.5 “good” hitters. A lot of ABs were going to be wasted no matter what. Giving CDI 100 more ABs doesn’t win us 10 more games, or DOD is the biggest moron ever for trading him. Likewise Smith.
Batting Johnny Herrera in the two hole
when he doesn’t have a hit in a month? Probably a bad idea.
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well it's not like he could hit anywhere else
he plays second base
arenado: it's Rockie for future
Ok,
no doubt that is not wise. but replace him with who, Helton? CDI? maybe those guys produce more in that spot, almost certainly they do, but then the back end of the lineup is materially worse and you can score runs there too.
I’m not here to say that Tracy’s lineup decisions were wise. I’m saying that he generally didn’t ahve a ton to work with and rearranging the deck chairs and all that…
I'm not disagreeing with you
but switching 50 PA from your gawdawful players to your better players every week is bound to help out long term.
It goes back to that Bucs Dugout post about how Jim Tracy makes instant determinations about players and refuses to adjust his beliefs.
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50 a week?
how many games are we playing now? just kidding.
I agree its better to have the good guys play, and in better lineup construction. But that stuff was nowhere near the culprit for why we were bad.
That Bucs Dugout post was interesting but how does that impact what Tracy has done? Guys have had their chances here.
OMG
Muzia just RIRF’d.
I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.
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not only that
he RIRFed RIRF!
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You didn’t sell all of your stuff and quit your job last May when that whack-job in Oakland said the world was ending, did you? Or was that you traveling around the country in a van with signs all over it urging the rest of us to repent? :)
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Also, Tracy is just the figurehead for some institutional issues that need addressing
If young players come to the big leagues without any sense of how to run the bases or hit with a runner on 3rd and one out, is that really the fault of the big club’s manager?
Having to use your big league coaches to address remedial issues that should have been dealt with much earlier isn’t a great way to win consistently. I’d really like to know what the Rox are doing to improve teaching of fundamentals in the minors.
I think these guys know what they should be doing
I’m not concerned that they need to be taught how to hit with a runner on 3rd or whether to take 3rd on a grounder to RF. I’m concerned that they are talented/prepared enough to execute what they should be doing. That is certainly a development issue, though, and I think we are seeing the same problem in different ways.
Right, of course they *know* what to do. Hell, *we* know what to do. :)
It’s entirely about preparation and execution, and that’s what has to get ironed out at lower levels. In fact, that’s pretty much why lower levels exist.
no argument
that DoD needs to take his rightful place near the top of the list. I threw Stewart in because I would have liked to have seen a last ditch effort to just run him out there, get him as many at bats as possible, and leave him alone, hoping against hope that he stumbles into something. It isn’t like we had a young Graig Nettles sitting on the bench.
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arenado: it's Rockie for future
Very good question
re expectations. I don’t see how we have materially improved on paper from last year (I would argue that our on paper team is much worse than the one we brought to Coors in April 2011), but of course its possible that we have actually gotten better — and the division is likely to be terrible again. There are like 15 “wildcards” on this team, and that is true for every team in the division. I don’t expect us to be a very good team, but I also wouldn’t be surprised if we won 10 more games than last year and were in contention for a playoff spot in September. Impossible to make anything other than a random guess here.
Which is a long way of saying I will be very disappointed if we are out of contention in July like this year (and Tracy should be fired if that happens), but I’ll be pleasantly surprised if we get to September with a legit shot. And most likely, we finish 3rd.
And maybe if O'Dowd doesn't see the "culture change"
he’s looking for, Tracy will be shown the door for that reason rather than really blaming him for the W-L record. I tend to think that’s more at the heart of this team’s underachievement than Tracy’s lineup decisions or in-game management decisions, even though I sometimes tear my hair out over them.
by Northsider1964 on Dec 28, 2011 10:48 AM MST up reply actions
I think you may be right
but its just so impossible for us to really have any sense of that. Other than random Stewart rumblings (often shot down around here) there wasn’t much of a thought that the team had culture issues until DOD very recently made his views on the matter explicit. And of course winning cures all ills.
I dunno. I’m trying to wean myself off the “glass half empty” fan that I usually am (and that this offseason feeds) so I’ll just say that there’s a lot of upside here. Hopefully these guys can do what the 2011 guys couldn’t — tap into it.
I happen to agree with this.
If Tulo and Cargo can deliver whatever they are payed the big bucks for and the rest of the team feeds off of their success, then I think this can be a very good team. If not, I don’t even give this team a chance of finishing out of the cellar.
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I'm going to judge this season on fundamentals
If the team goes out there, fields well, runs the bases smartly, does the right thing in situational hitting spots and isn’t so freaking incompetent offensively on the road, I’ll consider it a positive season, regardless of record.
2011 left such a sour taste because they were a bad team playing bad, stupid baseball. If I see a change in that culture then I know we’ll be on the right track. If the same overall malaise settles back in, we’ve got a big problem that’s most likely structural and systemic, and probably beyond some personnel tinkering or a managerial change.
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"Absolutely no truth to the Cody Ross rumors"
a shame, because at the price and proper adjacent moves, it would be a positive addition.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 28, 2011 11:12 AM MST via Android app reply actions
Ross made a ton of sense...pre-Cuddyer
now we wouldn’t pay him anywhere what we would need to.
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The denial, like everything else we hear this time of year, is pretty meaningless.
Yeah, the source is right that there’s no fit in the OF. Deal Smith and there’s suddenly a fit in the OF.
I wonder if Saunders is gonna go back to the beat after Armstrong got fired.
Whiskey tends to make me high, and sad songs make me cry. Pretty women break my heart almost every night. I run on beans and nicotine; I'm a real, live buckaroo. And my heart's not pure, my boots ain't clean, and I never tell the truth.
I've asked Renck but he didn't respond
I’d be ok with that. I’d prefer Krieger, but that won’t happen.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 28, 2011 1:17 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
What would Garza cost?
I know it is probably more than we would pay, but he is by far the best available option
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look at what latos and gio cost
and go up from there
arenado: it's Rockie for future
he won't cost more than Latos
Latos has 4 years of reasonably cheap control left. Garza has two years remaining.
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garza is better and comes basically issue-free
arenado: it's Rockie for future
I don’t think Garza comes with upside, I think Latos comes with upside yet too…couple differing factors with those two that can affect asking price. Either way we aren’t getting him
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 28, 2011 1:13 PM MST up reply actions
Garza is a bit of a hothead too
but he has it under control more. plus, he’s the most horrendous fielding pitcher I’ve ever seen
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 28, 2011 1:18 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
How is Garza better than Latos?
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garza went from a pitcher's park, the best defense, and toughest opposition in baseball
where he was already plenty good, and went to a hitter’s park, bad defense, and middling opposition, and got better. he’s also go no real injury issues
arenado: it's Rockie for future
Here's a question I haven't seen posed yet.
How many starting pitchers does the Rockies use in 2012?
56
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yes
arenado: it's Rockie for future
I'd like to see them be able to use 2 at the same time
To make it a bit fairer to the opponents, one of the pitchers has to use a non humidor ball. That way, the hitter has to guess which of the two balls coming toward him is the one with more carry.
i like this plan
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Over/Under at 14?
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 28, 2011 1:21 PM MST up reply actions
Under, but 11-12 would not surprise me.
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by Greg Stanwood on Dec 28, 2011 1:34 PM MST up reply actions
what did we have last year like 12-13?
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 28, 2011 1:45 PM MST up reply actions
13
Chacin, Hammel, Jimenez, Cook, Rogers, Nicasio, De La Rosa, Millwood, White, Mortensen, Pomeranz, Reynolds, Johnson. lol
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by Greg Stanwood on Dec 28, 2011 2:40 PM MST up reply actions
I got the over, then.
for 50 cents
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162
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Texas with a dollar sign
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 28, 2011 3:35 PM MST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
It seems we have also discovered the ultimate question...
I’m not sure I’m happy with it.
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No.
Trade for Cliff Lee.
I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.
by prettyinpurple on Dec 28, 2011 1:06 PM MST up reply actions
hopefully you aren’t saying that about Arenado, Wheeler, Rutledge, and Matzek some day
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 28, 2011 1:10 PM MST up reply actions
I keep forgetting we have Casey Blake
That was a sneaky-good pick up
Jason Giambi for player-manager in 2012!
How the world will end in 2012: George of the Roses builds a Machine that Pommels everyone with La Violencia during Whiteouts.
Still not official.
I wonder what the holdup is.
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by Greg Stanwood on Dec 28, 2011 2:43 PM MST up reply actions
Andrew Bailey traded to the BoSox. No word on who Oakland gets in return.
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Reddick is in the deal.
I feel bad for Oakland fans.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 28, 2011 2:54 PM MST up reply actions
I don't
They are clearly rebuilding for a run when they move to a new stadium. They didn’t get a ton for Bailey, but their other moves have been very solid. They will be Tampa Bay of the West Coast in a few years.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
I know what they're doing.
But I’d hate to wait 2-3 years just to contend, and even that’s a maybe.
We also don’t know the whole package they received for Bailey, either.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 28, 2011 3:01 PM MST up reply actions
@Buster_Olney
So the 3-for-2 is: Bailey and Sweeney for Reddick, Head and Alcantera.
Um. Really? Head is a decent prospect, but they had to give up Sweeney in this deal?
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Red Sox, you stupid.
You could have had PROVEN CLOSER Huston Street for only one of those guys.
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They must have really wanted Head...
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by Junction Rox on Dec 28, 2011 3:24 PM MST up reply actions 6 recs
wow.
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yep, that's good stuff there my friend.
the comment – THE COMMENT
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 28, 2011 3:36 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
So you agree they weren't after Alcantera?
/whistles innocently
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by Junction Rox on Dec 28, 2011 3:49 PM MST up reply actions
.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 28, 2011 4:08 PM MST up reply actions
according to AthleticsNation, the A’s only have 8 remaining players from the 2011 Opening Day roster.
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wow
no more sweeney as oakland’s only outfielder jokes
arenado: it's Rockie for future
They didn't get nearly enough out of Gio and Cahill to make that statement
I dislike their return on all of these trades.
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parker?
arenado: it's Rockie for future
OT: In N Out likely coming to Denver
city counsel meeting scheduled to decide to allow them in, which they will, of course
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 28, 2011 3:31 PM MST via Android app reply actions
yay, smug Californians telling us what we've all been missing
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 28, 2011 3:37 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Look how right they have always been?
You’ll see.
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had it before
not that world changing
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 28, 2011 4:45 PM MST up reply actions
That's just crazy talk.
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A lot is two words. Allot can be one word but it has another meaning.
The only time you really want to use "myself" is when you are the recipient of your own action. Usually you're better off using "me."
Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
It's anyway, not anyways.
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Just saying man
It’s probably the most overrated hamburger on the face of the planet.
It’s not BAD, by any stretch. It’s very good, in fact. But is it like NIGHT AND DAY AND OH DEAR GOD I JUST HAD A RELIGIOUS EXPERIENCE good? I don’t see it as that distinguishable from 5 Guys.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 28, 2011 4:55 PM MST up reply actions
fair reasons
5 guys is a freaking feast, you get what you pay for.
Should In-n-Out actually come to Denver, and after the 6 months of 4-mile lines, I’ll have to reevaluate my opinions on the burger.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 28, 2011 5:09 PM MST up reply actions
exactly
its not just the taste, but its just as fast and cheap as the nasty chains.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 28, 2011 6:07 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Completely Agree! Always heard my Cali friends saying HOLY SHIZ I can’t wait to go to In n Out when I go back home, its always like the first thing I do. Then I finally got out there and tried it and was like Really? This is it?
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 29, 2011 7:02 AM MST up reply actions
l thought the same when l went to ST at Tucson..
they were good, but nothlng spectacular.
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No better than Goodtimes IMO
Maybe even worse.
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in more depressing news, Whataburger refuses to expand into Colorado
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Whataburger forever! In n out never!
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 28, 2011 3:43 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
ffffffff
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 28, 2011 4:01 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Maybe of this happens
Bartolo Colon would come here and pitch for free.
by Northsider1964 on Dec 28, 2011 3:42 PM MST up reply actions
What kind of approval is needed for a business to move into Denver?
Does the flippin’ City Council have to approve every new business that starts in the City?!?
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Usually not...
Unless there’s some sort of zoning variance or something. Typically it’s just paperwork and bada-bing, bada-boom. And even then, that’s usually the Secretary of State’s deal. Maybe INO is also going to dispense weed.
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Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
It's anyway, not anyways.
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depends on the location
for where they want to open the shop as well.
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How likely that the best location for a new fast-food place...
isn’t already zoned (or even developed0 for commercial use?
"Surgeons have determined that doing the wave will, yes, will cause tears to the suprapinatus muscle and the infraspinatus muscle from the throwing of an individual's arms rapidly into the air. In addition, any children doing the wave will be sold to the circus. Do NOT do the wave in the ballpark. Doing the wave is safe at pro football games and Miley Cyrus concerts.
-scoreboard announcement at Ranger Ballpark in Arlington via Baseball Nation.
the only empty unzoned lots in Denver are at Stapelton.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 28, 2011 4:27 PM MST up reply actions
Lets say they wanted to
open a location in a historic section of Denver, generally businesses would have to have any building modifications approved before they can move into the space.
However – all of this is just speculation.
Note – he is just trying to get the to come here – the city council is not doing anything or voting on anything at this point in time. Just some guy wants in n out to come to colorado. that is it.
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This guy is my HERO OF THE DAY.
Brooks for Mayor!
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It's anyway, not anyways.
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Put it next to IKEA
let all the trendy fad chasers get in each others’ way down there…
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by Junction Rox on Dec 28, 2011 4:29 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd so hard I fell out of my chair.
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As if...
IN’N’OUT was a fad!!!
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A lot is two words. Allot can be one word but it has another meaning.
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Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
It's anyway, not anyways.
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Ok, I don't want to get into a political rant...
I’m just having a hard time imagining a scenario where In n Out need City Council approval to open a store here (baring subsidies).
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-scoreboard announcement at Ranger Ballpark in Arlington via Baseball Nation.
I heard that part on KOA in passing
but I think it had more to do with needing to have an In N Out Distribution Center in town
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 28, 2011 4:28 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Relax, oh hater of all things governmental...
Apart from maybe a zoning variance, this isn’t a thing. However, if you remember the McDonald’s on Colfax fiasco, you know there’s always a little t-crossing and i-dotting to be done.
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It's anyway, not anyways.
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breathe in
breathe out
I’m better now.
"Surgeons have determined that doing the wave will, yes, will cause tears to the suprapinatus muscle and the infraspinatus muscle from the throwing of an individual's arms rapidly into the air. In addition, any children doing the wave will be sold to the circus. Do NOT do the wave in the ballpark. Doing the wave is safe at pro football games and Miley Cyrus concerts.
-scoreboard announcement at Ranger Ballpark in Arlington via Baseball Nation.
there's a mcdonald's on colfax?
where?
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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 28, 2011 4:36 PM MST up reply actions
past the in and out
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burger joint or porn shop?
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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 28, 2011 4:41 PM MST up reply actions
Leave my apartment out of this conversation!
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You live in a burger joint?
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by Junction Rox on Dec 28, 2011 4:43 PM MST up reply actions
Part-time burger joint
part time porn shop!
"Surgeons have determined that doing the wave will, yes, will cause tears to the suprapinatus muscle and the infraspinatus muscle from the throwing of an individual's arms rapidly into the air. In addition, any children doing the wave will be sold to the circus. Do NOT do the wave in the ballpark. Doing the wave is safe at pro football games and Miley Cyrus concerts.
-scoreboard announcement at Ranger Ballpark in Arlington via Baseball Nation.
I think the creepiest part about this is that I'm home already
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 28, 2011 4:47 PM MST up reply actions
I'll take a #2 with a chocolate shake.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 28, 2011 4:48 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not sure it's a burger joint right now...
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by Junction Rox on Dec 28, 2011 4:50 PM MST up reply actions
I don't know whether to impressed or appalled...
either way I’m laughing!
"Surgeons have determined that doing the wave will, yes, will cause tears to the suprapinatus muscle and the infraspinatus muscle from the throwing of an individual's arms rapidly into the air. In addition, any children doing the wave will be sold to the circus. Do NOT do the wave in the ballpark. Doing the wave is safe at pro football games and Miley Cyrus concerts.
-scoreboard announcement at Ranger Ballpark in Arlington via Baseball Nation.
Can I interest you in an apple pie?
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 28, 2011 4:56 PM MST up reply actions
"You'll love our buns"
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by Junction Rox on Dec 28, 2011 4:51 PM MST up reply actions
the one where the hookers hang out?
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by Junction Rox on Dec 28, 2011 4:41 PM MST up reply actions
by the dispensary
I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.
by prettyinpurple on Dec 28, 2011 4:42 PM MST up reply actions
Pennsylvania street right next to the cathedral.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 28, 2011 4:41 PM MST up reply actions
...and about 15 others!
"Surgeons have determined that doing the wave will, yes, will cause tears to the suprapinatus muscle and the infraspinatus muscle from the throwing of an individual's arms rapidly into the air. In addition, any children doing the wave will be sold to the circus. Do NOT do the wave in the ballpark. Doing the wave is safe at pro football games and Miley Cyrus concerts.
-scoreboard announcement at Ranger Ballpark in Arlington via Baseball Nation.
It was the one in Park Hill that caused the controversy...
And partially led to the city’s new zoning masterplan.
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A lot is two words. Allot can be one word but it has another meaning.
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Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
It's anyway, not anyways.
But if you only remember one thing...
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
Go Rockies.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 28, 2011 4:13 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Go
I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.
by prettyinpurple on Dec 28, 2011 4:14 PM MST up reply actions
Team?
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by Junction Rox on Dec 28, 2011 4:15 PM MST up reply actions
Rockies Team
I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.
by prettyinpurple on Dec 28, 2011 4:16 PM MST up reply actions
making the way in the nl today takes all the arms you got.
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by hotdoglady on Dec 28, 2011 4:16 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
but still a few more young ones sure would help a lot
The off-season sucks.
That is all.
by DAWNMARIE01 on Dec 28, 2011 4:17 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
wouldn't you like to win some games?
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by hotdoglady on Dec 28, 2011 4:18 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
sometimes you want to go
where we never traded the chief
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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 28, 2011 4:28 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
and we still had 09 Huston Street
The off-season sucks.
That is all.
by DAWNMARIE01 on Dec 28, 2011 4:33 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
oh, go sink to the bottom of the SF Bay, Giants
The Giants insist that when they financed AT&T Park, all agreements with lenders were based on the team’s current territorial rights, including corporate-rich Silicon Valley.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 28, 2011 4:17 PM MST reply actions
can't let a team move into the 8th most populous city in the nation, nope, no sirree.
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 28, 2011 4:18 PM MST up reply actions
*10th most.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 28, 2011 4:18 PM MST up reply actions
Please...
San Francisco must draw 3.3 million to operate at its current level, according to club officials. The Giants sold out every game last season and drew 3.387 million.
So they need to sell 97.5% of all their available tickets to operate? Sounds like a plan for failure.
"Surgeons have determined that doing the wave will, yes, will cause tears to the suprapinatus muscle and the infraspinatus muscle from the throwing of an individual's arms rapidly into the air. In addition, any children doing the wave will be sold to the circus. Do NOT do the wave in the ballpark. Doing the wave is safe at pro football games and Miley Cyrus concerts.
-scoreboard announcement at Ranger Ballpark in Arlington via Baseball Nation.
sounds like the perfect California business model!
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 28, 2011 4:23 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
They should probably trade away their top pitching prospect, just in case.
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oops...
the New York Mets and San Francisco Giants had agreed to exchange Carlos Beltran for pitching prospect Zack Wheeler
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
Luftfeuchtigkeitsregler über alles.
by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 28, 2011 4:26 PM MST up reply actions
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The good news is...
we just need to Giants ticket sales to drop by 88,000 (less than 1100 per game) before their entire organization falls apart and they go back to being the Pittsburgh Pirates of the west!
"Surgeons have determined that doing the wave will, yes, will cause tears to the suprapinatus muscle and the infraspinatus muscle from the throwing of an individual's arms rapidly into the air. In addition, any children doing the wave will be sold to the circus. Do NOT do the wave in the ballpark. Doing the wave is safe at pro football games and Miley Cyrus concerts.
-scoreboard announcement at Ranger Ballpark in Arlington via Baseball Nation.
Well, that would been a most foolhardy deal for them to make.
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"Hi, we'd like you tend us this money...
based (in part) on these agreements which MLB can change at any time with a 3/4 majority vote."
“Sure!”
"Surgeons have determined that doing the wave will, yes, will cause tears to the suprapinatus muscle and the infraspinatus muscle from the throwing of an individual's arms rapidly into the air. In addition, any children doing the wave will be sold to the circus. Do NOT do the wave in the ballpark. Doing the wave is safe at pro football games and Miley Cyrus concerts.
-scoreboard announcement at Ranger Ballpark in Arlington via Baseball Nation.
s/b "to lend"
D’oh
"Surgeons have determined that doing the wave will, yes, will cause tears to the suprapinatus muscle and the infraspinatus muscle from the throwing of an individual's arms rapidly into the air. In addition, any children doing the wave will be sold to the circus. Do NOT do the wave in the ballpark. Doing the wave is safe at pro football games and Miley Cyrus concerts.
-scoreboard announcement at Ranger Ballpark in Arlington via Baseball Nation.
Ha!
Here’s the deal:
The A’s cannot stay successfully in that dumpster of a Colosseum (lease is up in ‘13, anyway.)
Oakland has offered (and is in no fiscal position to offer) any sort of credible alternative.
Oakland is not as bad of a place as many make it out to be but it’s hard for the owners of the A’s to expect a lot of revenue growth if they had to pay all of the costs to build a stadium there.
San Jose, is the bay area’s largest city and has a new stadium agreement 80% ready to go and the A’s are paying for it.
Relocating the A’s out of the bay area to another city in this economic climate is likely a non-starter.
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
A lot is two words. Allot can be one word but it has another meaning.
The only time you really want to use "myself" is when you are the recipient of your own action. Usually you're better off using "me."
Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
It's anyway, not anyways.
But if you only remember one thing...
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
Right.
I just mean that if the Giants are being truthful that many of their loans are based on the current territorial rights AND that lenders understood that MLB could change those rights at any time (with the votes of the other owners) THEN the lenders were foolish since the “restrictions” don’t really restrict anything. UNLESS the loans say that they can be called if MLB changes those rights in which case the Giants were foolish to agree to those terms, to bet that the other owners wouldn’t screw them over by doing exactly that!
"Surgeons have determined that doing the wave will, yes, will cause tears to the suprapinatus muscle and the infraspinatus muscle from the throwing of an individual's arms rapidly into the air. In addition, any children doing the wave will be sold to the circus. Do NOT do the wave in the ballpark. Doing the wave is safe at pro football games and Miley Cyrus concerts.
-scoreboard announcement at Ranger Ballpark in Arlington via Baseball Nation.
Oh, yes, I totally agree with you.
I’m not entirely convinced that the Giants are being completely honest in their approach to this, though. They sponsored a fake SJ citizens’ lawsuit to stop a downtown stadium and have not even entered into any reasonable discussions about this territorial rights issue. This is so even given that most two-team markets are shared and that a previous Oakland administration gave them rights to the south bay for free. The Giants are seemingly attempting to make the A’s wither away. They appear willing to say just about anything and it now seems the other MLB owners have, at last, had enough.
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
A lot is two words. Allot can be one word but it has another meaning.
The only time you really want to use "myself" is when you are the recipient of your own action. Usually you're better off using "me."
Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
It's anyway, not anyways.
But if you only remember one thing...
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
Can we please stop spending public money on sports stadiums?
We should I, someone who makes a smidgen above the median income in this country, subsidize a facility that will be used to enrich already rich people every time I feel like purchasing anything that has sales tax? If you can’t afford to build a better stadium than the one your team already plays in, maybe you shouldn’t own the team.
We do this all the time in this country and it drives me nuts. Its the same as providing tax incentives to companies like IKEA and Walmart so they build a store in your town. They don’t need them, but as long as stupid people are in charge, why not! Welfare for rich people, a middle finger for poor people.
Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscripti catapultas habebunt
by BittenAnkles on Dec 28, 2011 11:08 PM MST up reply actions
I'm sure rich people are getting all the jobs at those Wal-Marts and IKEAs....
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by Junction Rox on Dec 28, 2011 11:45 PM MST up reply actions
Here is how the game is rigged.
Walmart comes to a town, particularly smaller towns, and says, “we’ll build a new store if you give us a 20-year property tax exemption.” They carrot they dangle in front of city council or county commissioners is “hundreds of new jobs!” What they don’t say is that while they enjoy profits without any responsibility to the community, they are also driving other people out of business. Those business most likely didn’t get favorable tax exemptions and thus once Walmart conquers the local economy, tax revenues shrink and services are cut. What about the jobs you ask? Most Walmart jobs are minimum wage or close to it.
Getting back to baseball, the economic benefits of public stadium funding are dubious at best. Sure, certain business (like Bars) near the stadium do great on game days, but that isn’t enough to justify the cost.
Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscripti catapultas habebunt
by BittenAnkles on Dec 29, 2011 11:49 AM MST up reply actions
Some clues as to what Chicago is looking for in return for Garza
According to CBS Sports’ Jon Heyman, the Cubs are “prioritizing young starting pitching” in trade negotiations involving right-hander Matt Garza.
Rival executives have suggested to Heyman that the Yankees and Blue Jays “have what it’d take” to work out a trade, and word is both teams are seriously interested. The Red Sox are also involved. Garza, 28, posted a 3.32 ERA and 197/63 K/BB ratio in 198 innings this past season. He’s arbitration-eligible for two more years.
Banuelos plus Betances plus one of Minka Kelly (oops!) or Cameron Diaz for Garza?
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
A lot is two words. Allot can be one word but it has another meaning.
The only time you really want to use "myself" is when you are the recipient of your own action. Usually you're better off using "me."
Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
It's anyway, not anyways.
But if you only remember one thing...
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
montero
arenado: it's Rockie for future
Have to substitute JoAnna Garcia Swisher for Minka, I guess...
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by Junction Rox on Dec 28, 2011 8:18 PM MST up reply actions
Bailey to the Red Sox
According to ESPN’s Buster Olney, the Red Sox have acquired closer Andrew Bailey from the A’s.
Josh Reddick is headed to Oakland along with 20-year-old third base prospect Miles Head and 19-year-old pitcher Raul Alcantara. Bailey, 27, has a 2.07 career ERA and 9.0 career K/9 through three major league seasons. He’s expected to serve as Boston’s primary ninth-inning man in 2012, pushing the newly-acquired Mark Melancon into a setup role. Bailey is eligible for arbitration for the first time this winter and is under team control through 2014. The Red Sox are also getting Ryan Sweeney from the Athletics, possibly to play right field.
oh look, Scott Boras has something to say:
If someone were to say that Yu Darvish would come in, average 200 innings, less than a 4.00 ERA and be a solid two or three starter, they would be elated. The reality is, that is exactly what Edwin Jackson has done.
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 28, 2011 5:39 PM MST reply actions
Make no mistake...
I’d sign with Boras in a New York minute if I were a ballplayer.
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A lot is two words. Allot can be one word but it has another meaning.
The only time you really want to use "myself" is when you are the recipient of your own action. Usually you're better off using "me."
Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
It's anyway, not anyways.
But if you only remember one thing...
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
Not saying Darvish is Jackson
But I think Jackson is one of the more underated pitchers this free agency season.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
This is pretty awesome:
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Larry Walker should get in
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