Saturday Rockpile: Rockies Remain in Pursuit of Prado, Lose Out on Oswalt and Tanaka
by Bryan Kilpatrick on Dec 3, 2011 8:01 AM MST
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PrintThe Rockies are seemingly remaining busy this offseason, as negotiations with the Braves regarding Martin Prado are reportedly still ongoing. However, I can't imagine a scenario where other teams won't put together an offer similar to (or maybe even better than) what the Rockies offered in Seth Smith, so if they're serious about acquiring him then they'll need to step up their game. I am firmly in the camp that Prado is a significant upgrade over any and every part of the current 2B/3B shitshow that is currently clogging the Rockies' 40-man roster (seriously, is Blake DeWitt any better than Ian Stewart?). Maybe the Rockies' attempt to acquire Tyler Colvin instead of DeWitt was seen as a possible precursor to a Prado deal by the Colorado front office. That, however, doesn't appear to be happening.
One darkhorse candidate that the Rockies were giving serious consideration to is Japanese free agent Kensuke Tanaka. The 30-year-old infielder's last full season was in 2010, when he hit .335/.408/.417 and stole 34 bases. It's obviously unclear how that would translate at the MLB level, but his patience probably would have been a good fit for Colorado. However, it's all a moot point, as Tanaka appears to be staying in Japan.
Even with the recent acquistion of Tyler Chatwood, the Rockies are still obviously looking for some help in the starting rotation. One guy that they had their eye on is apparently no longer an option, as Troy Renck says that Roy Oswalt's price will be too steep. However, Kevin Millwood still remains a viable option, and the Rockies also have some interest in bringing Jeff Francis back into the fold. Francis is strictly a junkballer at this point in his career, but at least he's capable of filling a back-end-of-the-rotation role.
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MLB - Justin Upton leads top 50 list of MLB players under age 25 - ESPN
ESPN's Keith Law, who has perhaps deservedly become a controversial figure around these parts recently, posted his top 50 MLB players under 25. The Diamondbacks' Justin Upton leads the way, and despite having ten players on their 40-man roster under the age of 25, the Rockies only 'placed' one guy on the list. Here's what Law has to say about Jhoulys Chacin, who came in at number 39:
I was tempted to dress up for Halloween as a zombie wearing a Rockies cap and call myself Ghoulys Chacin, but I doubt my five-year-old would have gotten it. Chacin is a command righty with a plus changeup and an above-average slider who generates enough ground balls with his two-seamer to survive in Coors Field. His walk total was uncharacteristically high in 2011, but even if he brings that down, in all likelihood he's a solid No. 3 with a small chance to exceed that.
NL West: Three fixes for each team - SweetSpot Blog - ESPN
In other analysis from the four-letter network, David Schoenfield lists each NL West squad's three main areas for improvement. Nothing at all groundbreaking here.
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I agree.
A step backwards PLUS a lower ceiling in the however improbable scenario that either them experiences some late development and improves.
Pass.
Just a small town kid who thinks Coors Field on a sunny summer Saturday night is the best place to be on this or any other plane of existence. When a late-inning Todd Helton go-ahead homerun is added to this scenario, my brain melts.
Stewart can only play 3B...
While DeWitt can play 2B and 3B. Would make total sense for the Cubs with no ARam.
by nt_eagle on Dec 3, 2011 8:53 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, it makes sense for the Cubs. Just not for us.
The positional versitility of DeWitt is nice, but we don’t need another utility player. We already have a couple DeWitts. What we need is a bonifide starter at each of those positions. As a full-time starter, especially at 3B, DeWitt is all but gauranteed to be below average. Stewart may be below average, as well. Probably will be, in fact. But between the two of them (Stewart and DeWitt) only one of them even has even a chance to provide value as a full-time starter, and that’s Stewart.
Besides, the time that it will take Stewart to prove, once and for all, that he’s a total bust, might end up being exactly the amount of time Arenado needs to embarass AAA/AA pitching enough to force his way into MLB. And the right amount of time to delay his arbitration clock.
Stewart for Rockies 3B for (the first two and a half months of) 2012!
Just a small town kid who thinks Coors Field on a sunny summer Saturday night is the best place to be on this or any other plane of existence. When a late-inning Todd Helton go-ahead homerun is added to this scenario, my brain melts.
I'd bet Ian goes into July...
With a big side order of Pacheco but yes, this, more or less.
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Kuroda?
Yesterday we heard that the Rockies are out of the running for Roy Oswalt, but today Troy Renck of The Denver Post reports that they’ve been quietly pursuing Hiroki Kuroda. The right-hander is unlikely to return to the Dodgers following the Chris Capuano signing.
Kuroda, 37 in February, has pitched to a 3.23 ERA with 7.2 K/9 and 2.2 BB/9 in 398 1/3 innings across 63 starts over the last two seasons. The Angels and Diamondbacks are said to have interest in him, and the Hiroshima Carp also have an offer out to their former hurler. Kuroda prefers the west coast, but it stands to reason that the Yankees, Red Sox, Nationals, and others would have interest if he was willing to move east. The Rockies reportedly have interest in Jeff Francis and Kevin Millwood as well.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 3, 2011 8:22 AM MST reply actions
For some reason I'm seeing this as less likely than Oswalt.
I hope they can convince him to pitch in Colorado, though, he’d be about as solid a SP as the Rockies may be able to find at this point.
probably because Kuroda has been saying for months its LA or Japan for him
Denver makes little sense for him. But yes, ge would be a fantastic option here. He’s really underappreciated. I’d be overjoyed
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 3, 2011 8:45 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
This is exactly it
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 3, 2011 10:02 AM MST up reply actions
Agree
Weird that they would leak that … seems like no angle in that
by BostonTransplant on Dec 3, 2011 8:50 AM MST up reply actions
unless the angle is the same one that made them "interested" in other longshots
VMart, Oswalt, etc
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 3, 2011 8:55 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Bait-and-switch to get another 100 people at most to sign onto season tickets?
Probably is…and when did we become the Nationals or the Orioles anyway?
Hey
The Nationals signed Werth. It may have been a crappy decision, but they tried.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 3, 2011 10:06 AM MST up reply actions
Lastros or O's, then?
Or even modern-day Rays, now that they’re scraping together all their money so they can pay the fine for breaking their lease, rather than continuing to try to make a go of it in St. Pete?
I feel like the Rockies are a special, unique, kind of disappointment.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 3, 2011 10:27 AM MST up reply actions 3 recs
This year they certainly were
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 3, 2011 10:30 AM MST up reply actions 2 recs
I mean in the offseason
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 3, 2011 10:36 AM MST up reply actions 2 recs
As a life long Mets fan I can relate to that.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
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Well you must be in a good mood
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 3, 2011 12:04 PM MST up reply actions
Yes.
(with the obvious “depending on how much he wants” caveat)
Just a small town kid who thinks Coors Field on a sunny summer Saturday night is the best place to be on this or any other plane of existence. When a late-inning Todd Helton go-ahead homerun is added to this scenario, my brain melts.
Its tine to just deal with the inevitable here
This happens every single off-season.
Rockies Are interested in Player A.
2 weeks later
Player A is to expensive and there are rumors of team X looking at him, so Rockies are now interested in Player B.
Player B signed with team Z, so the Rockies are now interested in player C.
Player C wants 3 years instead of 2, and the Rockies won’t budge, instead we are just going to offer a whole bunch of minor league contracts to has been players and never was players.
Jeff Francis and Kevin Millwood, welcome to back to Colorado…. and I hope that Stewart can realize his potential, and that one of Nelson, Young, or Herrera doesn’t suck to bad at 2b.
This crap gets old.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
by wolf213 on Dec 3, 2011 8:47 AM MST up reply actions 2 recs
Too early for that
The Iannetta trade was fairly aggressive and they knew they’d be criticized. If they dump Street they’ll have $20m to spend. Just wait.
by BostonTransplant on Dec 3, 2011 8:52 AM MST up reply actions
I want to agree with you
and I’m going try and not overreact
But we’re getting bait’n’switched again.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 3, 2011 10:12 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Which is sad
Because Bait’n’Switch is illegal in the consumer world, yet the Rockies do it all the time.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
I know I joked about this yesterday, but I have a real issue with classifying it this way.
The Rockies didn’t put out a press release saying “We’re going to go out and sign Roy Oswalt this winter.” or this report on Twitter about Kuroda is a beat reporter saying the team is “quietly pursuing” the right hander, not something coming from the Monfort’s desk saying that they’ve signed him. Wanting a player and saying you’re going to get a player are two separate things.
There is an issue with the Rockies not reeling in the caliber of player they express desire for, but that’s not bait and switch, and if we fail to classify it correctly, we’ll also fail in expressing to the team our frustration with it.
We are just tired of the pattern Rox Girl
Every off-season is the same thing. Oh the Rockies are interested in Martinez, oh wait now they aren’t, Oh the Rockies are interested in Cuddyer, wait, nope that was wrong… OSWALT!!!!! Oh wait, sorry no Oswalt either.
We are tired of being told that the team is going to get a big RH bat, and end up being stuck holding the Wiggy.
The off-season is about hope for a lot of MLB teams, but for us, its always the same old crap, just different spare parts.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
by wolf213 on Dec 3, 2011 10:28 AM MST up reply actions 2 recs
I like Renck
but he is notorious for upping expectations and projecting potential FA candidates. I don’t know much info he actually gets from team sources, but I seriously doubt they talk about Carl Pavano three times a week.
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Renck's name-dropping is part of the issue...
I think Troy Renck gets fan hopes up too high each offseason by dangling names in his articles, and making it seem that they are more likely to come here than they really are. Remember how Lance Berkman was all but signed, then suddenly ends up signing with the Cardinals? Renck doesn’t seem to have the right facts when he reports, or he’s overstating the facts. I suppose it’s possible that the Rockies are overstating the facts to him, but what good would it do to the team’s front office to repeatedly get fans hopes up for an impact player signing, only to be let down later? So I think Renck is causing much of our feelings of being let down with too many names being thrown up against the wall to see what sticks.
This in no way absolves DOD for his ineffectual personnel moves, or lack of major impact signings. I still am waiting for the first free agent slugger in his prime to sign here since Larry Walker did it in March 1995! Greatest hitter’s park in the modern era, and we can never bring in impact proven free agent hitters from outside the organization. Maybe part of the reason DOD averages 77-85 with his 12 teams since 2000?
That last part about no impact free agent position player coming here since Walker is really the damning part
There are things I think O’Dowd gets too much blame for, but that’s a spot on criticism. I don’t think we’re misled as fans, but I do think that the front office has been ineffective at making the pitch for players to come join the Rockies. This is where I think Ramon Hernandez signing actually indicates a pretty positive development, as he’s the only catcher worth pursuing among this year’s FA’s and plenty of other teams were interested in signing him.
Sometimes I think Gebhard got it more...
than O’Dowd when it came to bringing in established free agent hitters. Not just Larry Walker, but you’ll also recall he signed Ellis Burks after the 1993 season. He was in his prime, and if not injured so much, would have had more than that one fine year in 1996 for us.
Geb also signed Andres Galarraga around the time of the expansion draft in 1992, and drafted Todd Helton, Matt Holliday, etc. Why is it that Bob Gebhard only got 7 seasons with the Rockies as our first GM (and I was ready for his dismissal when he went), yet Dan O’Dowd gets a 13th season with the Rockies (and counting) despite not really doing any better in his time here than Geb, all things considered? I mean, he’s only guided the Rox to the 12th best record in the NL during his reign, and has three disappointing years in the past four. Two runs to Rocktober just doesn’t seem like enough to me.
Yet Tracy gets 80% of the hate around here, and DOD is treated with deference. Go figure.
by GoRoxGo on Dec 3, 2011 9:59 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Well Tracy is a garbage manager. He deserves what he gets.
O’Dowd has basically the 2011-2012 offseason and 2012 deadline before the “faithful” are willing to send him up the river.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 3, 2011 11:04 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
Tracy is a better manager than his predecessor...
But, that’s not saying much since I think Hurdle was well below average as a manager, even though he was great with the press and a good guy. Tracy is just mediocrity personified as a manager, neither good nor bad. Wouldn’t go so far as to say he’s garbage.
DOD, on the other hand, is striking me as a garbage GM since he goes diving in dumpsters too often. I agree he’s “GM’ing for his job” this offseason through next summer. Or, at least he should be, if the Monforts care at all about the franchise’s future.
There were more hitters in their primes becoming free agents then
general managers have started to be more careful with the service time clock. And Gallaraga, if you recall, was a 32 year old coming off of two sub-.700 OPS seasons as a first baseman and three straight significant decline years after his age 27 season, nobody at the time thought he was still in his prime and if Colorado signed a player like that today, nobody would see it as a general manager “getting it”. It would be almost like re-signing Garrett Atkins at this point. If the Rockies at the time had any expectations that the Big Cat would have the long second prime that he did, they were fools.
Burks and Walker, though, do qualify, but that’s still just two players, rather early in his tenure. And then later, when that pair and the rest of the bombers have brought the Rockies close to perennial contention, he trades Burks for Darryl Hamilton and replaces EY with Mike Lansing, while keeping Neifi Perez around. If this is the Rockies fans model of a GM that “gets it” we’re in trouble.
As I wrote, I was ready for Geb's dismissal...
as he later became “Gunshy Geb”. But, early on, he did a great job for the franchise’s offense….better than anything DOD has done here. He had a great expansion draft in 1992, getting Vinny among others. He traded Kevin Reimer for Dante Bichette. Yes, The Big Cat was a bit of a dumpster dive, but he was right about him since he listened to Baylor about how he reworked his stance and hitting approach in St. Louis the year before.
Of course, none of those hitters were stars when he got them, but the scouting must have been pretty good in the early days. Sadly, though, his drafts were as bad or worse than DOD’s….too many first round high school pitchers who didn’t get very far.
Anyway, I never said Geb was the Rockies model for the type of GM who “gets it”…,just that I sometimes think he got it more than DOD when it came to getting real help for the offense from outside the org. And that I think DOD has been given way too much slack around here and by team ownership for guiding this franchise to the 12th best record in the 16 team NL in twelve seasons here….much more slack than Geb received.
What slack there is comes from trying to make a fair evaluation.
For instance, understanding that using that “out of 16” standard is inherently biased against any GM not blessed with one of the top payrolls in the league. For some reason you think that wanting the trial to be fair amounts to cutting him slack, but whatever.
Over the last three seasons, O’Dowd’s payroll has been 9th best in the league, the Rockies have had the 3rd, 7th and 11th best records. Certainly the trend bodes ill for O’Dowd, but if he’s able to consistently win more than the money the Monforts give him to spend says he should, than I don’t see how he’s as terrible as you make it sound. That’s not to say we can’t do better, and the last two years absolutely have me wondering, but I’m not going to defend O’Dowd if the criticisms of him are fair.
Where have the Rockies ranked in payroll those 12 years?
I don’t know the answer, but I think we would be right around middle of the pack (8th or 9th) in NL team payroll over the 2000-2011 seasons….yet DOD’s Rox rank 12th in that span in W/L record. He certainly isn’t “outranking his budgetary constraints”, which would be the hallmark of an effective GM.
So, if the best we can say about DOD’s results is that they aren’t seriously lagging his payroll limitations, that’s not saying much. In fact, a mid-market team that has to live within a budget has to have a well above-average GM in order to be competitive. Mediocrity at the position will not do.
I hope Thad Levine is our new GM in the event DOD is fired in the next year. He interviewed for Houston’s job, and I fear he will be plucked off by someone else before then.
The early O'Dowd era was a trainwreck...
The payroll rank by year:
2001: #6
2002: #10
2003: #9
2004: #10
2005: #14
2006: #16
2007: #12
2008: #12
2009: #10
2010: #9
2011: #7
I’ve always acknowledged that the first part of his tenure was a disaster, I’ve just said that he got better after a few seasons and that’s where I gave/give slack. He did get better, but seems to have stagnated more or less around average. I agree that above average should be what the Rockies want, and Levine could be a better alternative. I also hope he doesn’t get hired this winter as I think the Rockies should look to move on from O’Dowd if they disappoint again in 2012. Disappointment is a subjective term, I haven’t figured out yet what I’d consider a bad year. Right now, it’s not looking good for the off season part of that year, but there’s still a lot of time left.
Thanks for that info...
Overall, it looks like DOD has had around the 10th highest payroll over his time here. So being 12th in W/L record isn’t totally out of line. It just isn’t all that impressive either. Yes, he made more mistakes early on as a GM than in the past six years, but he hasn’t exactly helped build on the momentum we had after 2007 and 2009 either.
We seem to be pretty close to agreement on O’Dowd, actually. He’s not been above-average, and that’s truly what we need here from our FO for our program to be successful.
Yep, pretty much...
I was willing to forgive the Hampton/Neagle period as a new GM cutting his teeth and learning in a tough environment, and for a while (through 2009) O’Dowd seemed to have learned from his mistakes (mostly, the top of the draft was still a problem in that time) and gotten the Rockies back on track. I’ve been really impressed with his building up the L.A. pipeline, I think the Rockies are near the top of the MLB with this, and I think he’s been better than most people seem to think with trades. He’s not been good with free agency, but outside of Aaron Cook, has been decent at deciding which Rockies are worth keeping long term (including, I feel, letting Ubaldo go, and trading Holliday for the packages we received.) The outside free agency failure, replacing Hurdle with a proven ineffective manager like Tracy, and the last two seasons of stagnation have me a lot more in the time to move on camp, however, even though O’Dowd seems to have improved the team’s drafting over the last three years.
So are we saying that whoever is reporting the "quiet pursuits" or whatever level of pursuits is lying?
I realize that the team isn’t signing off on official releases regarding FAs, but the news is getting out somehow.
I’ll concede that probably half of these instances are “The Rockies totally want [perfect fit player X] but [player X] isn’t interested in coming to Colorado”, but the rest of them are ending in “…ending up being too expensive.”
I’m not getting on their case regarding some sort of “Cheapfarts” issue, either, it’s more of a “BeingLoathToTakeAnyRiskOnAnyExternalPlayerWhatsoeverFarts” issue.
What’s this? We are going to have to pay this player what they are worth and we can’t get them on a crafty 1-year deal with an option? Fine, we’re out.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 3, 2011 10:35 AM MST up reply actions 7 recs
I think you nailed it with this
I’m not getting on their case regarding some sort of "Cheapfarts" issue, either, it’s more of a "BeingLoathToTakeAnyRiskOnAnyExternalPlayerWhatsoeverFarts" issue.
What’s this? We are going to have to pay this player what they are worth and we can’t get them on a crafty 1-year deal with an option? Fine, we’re out.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
by wolf213 on Dec 3, 2011 10:40 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
For what it's worth, I don't necessarily HATE not getting all of the top flight guys
It’s the fact that they bring them up and I get the hope that “oh man, maybe they’re actually breaking out of thi…. oh, never mind.” If they just said “nope, we aren’t in on Oswalt. He’s going to demand 7 figures a year, and while he’s totally worth it, we’re just not in the place to make that kind of a commitment to somebody with very limited experience playing in this environment” I’d be frustrated, but OK with it.
I mean, come on, every team is in on every player if the price is low enough. We’re not special. In fact, we need to try HARDER to get FAs to come, just based on the nature of this place.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 3, 2011 10:46 AM MST up reply actions 2 recs
(the ambiguous "they")
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 3, 2011 10:49 AM MST up reply actions
We’re not special.
Jim Tracy disagrees.
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by J_Stone on Dec 5, 2011 11:30 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Fine, but that's something different from bait and switch.
If we keep on saying the Rockies “bait and switch”, then they keep on saying “we don’t bait and switch” (which they don’t) and the real source of the fan frustration of false hopes getting raised for players that don’t come never gets addressed because it becomes an argument about semantics. Last off season we knew that the Rockies had interest in Jose Lopez, and Ty Wigginton well before they were acquired, and we knew that they had interest in Victor Martinez despite him not being acquired. It’s not like they decided at the last minute to get Lopez instead of Martinez, and say oops, we meant Lopez. Get the semantics right in the first place and then the issue that needs addressed becomes clarified.
by Rox Girl on Dec 3, 2011 11:17 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
It’s not like they decided at the last minute to get Lopez instead of Martinez, and say oops, we meant Lopez.
Then again, maybe they did…
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by Muzia on Dec 3, 2011 11:19 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
We're arguing semantics here
I’m not literally accusing the team of saying “whoops, we meant Lopez”, but it feels that way. Yes, they express interest ahead of time, but talking about actual GOOD players they might want to acquire gets everyone’s hopes up, and then “oh, they were a longshot anyhow, they fell out of our budget, but it’s a damn good thing we have our crappy backup option”
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 3, 2011 11:33 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Seems to me Rockies are happy to let reporters run wild with stories on their perceived interest in set player when half the time they are just doing their due diligence and checking in on a player to gauge the temperature and get a handle on the market, even if they expect to find out its too rich for their blood. That’s definitely what the Oswalt talk felt like. I don’t think it’s always like that, I get a sense that the Prado interest is legitimate, but a lot of the time it does seem like the Rockies are only too happy to let reporters run wild andake some information and blow it out of proportion as it gets fans excited.
It shouldn't feel that way unless some of the information is getting ignored.
The Monforts are relatively up front with their model, what they have to spend, sources of revenue, etc.., at least more up front than most MLB teams. We know from the overlap in the new CBA draft that they’re likely in the bottom 10 league-wide in revenue. We know pitchers in general aren’t likely to sign here. We know that Kuroda loves LA. We know that there are 29 other teams and with any given player that the Rockies will be competing with at least four or five of them, even at close to the bottom rung of player value.
To think “pursuing” or “wanting” equates to “likeliest to sign” would have to ignore all that other information we have.
It's crafty wording though
“Pursuing” and “wanting” in today’s Twitter newsfeeds equates to “Might just offer contract to”. I’m not saying it’s the reality of the various FO’s, butkmxcsxxjnxxmjjkkmckmckdcjdkcdkcdccjmmc fkm
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 3, 2011 12:08 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
Sammy, you know nothing about baseball! Get your own login!
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 3, 2011 12:09 PM MST up reply actions
Play him off, keyboard cat!
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Junction Rox on Dec 3, 2011 3:41 PM MST up reply actions 5 recs
... But it's the perception of how FA works.
I find it to be misleading and ultimately disappointing.
It seems like a ploy to boost fan confidence based on the “Well, we tried” angle
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 3, 2011 12:10 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Ah, the age of technology
Do you think they had this much of a problem back in the mid 90’s?
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And by they I mean fans in general
They read the papers daily and discovered what happened after the fact. It’s more fun now but also a lot more frustrating.
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Are there days youmiss Gebhardt?
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One of my best friends died 2 years ago
His last name was Gebhardt. Yes, I do miss him.
I know this isn’t what you mean.
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I really mean that.
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No, its ok.
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Nope
but there are days I miss Dealin’ Dan, but regular Dan does a pretty good job right now
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There are probably three or four moves each winter across the league that I think have a really large impact
Maybe one or two more during the course of a season. Last year the Phillies signing Cliff Lee, the Tigers signing V-Mart and the Brewers getting Greinke (to a lesser extent Marcum) were the moves I’d say qualified. Maybe Beltre, maybe Everything else was just a standard redistribution of relatively available players being moved around for each other. There are 30 teams in the league all trying to make one of these impact moves and a few have advantages others won’t.
“Well, we tried,” is going to happen more seasons than not for a team like the Rockies. It’s just been going on this way for a little while too long now. I think that’s what your frustration, and my point is that if you don’t couch it correctly, you’re not going to get it across to the FO.
I don't have much problem with the FA failures as the inability to make the trades.
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I think that MY deal
could have been in that category too, had it actually happened
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My take now that Iannetta is gone...
That now that we have so many young arms not to wear out; is to get a better framing catcher to protect their developement. In that respect; I’d be cool with Mathis as Pom’s and White’s personal Caddy while Rosario refines his D at AAA.
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I would add A-Gon to Boston...
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by SDcat09 on Dec 3, 2011 3:39 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
agreed
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one, but trading wiggy to the phillies totally makes it okay
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My latest, best idea to get Prado
Braves need an outfielder and a SS, right? So here goes …
We send Smith to Braves, Street to Red Sox. Jed Lowrie (a guy I’ve always wanted for Rox, but whatever) goes to Braves. Balance it out with B prospects, done.
Yeah? No?
by BostonTransplant on Dec 3, 2011 8:54 AM MST reply actions
one of Braves top prospects, Taylor Pastornicky, is a SS
He probably won’t be opening day starter, but he should get a good amount of time in 2012. Otherwise, interesting idea. We’d prob end up sending Street, Smith and a B prospect for Prado alone in that scenario.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 3, 2011 8:58 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, I know, but I'd rather include Street and a prospect than Blackmon or Wheeler
We’re getting rid of Street anyway and I doubt we’ll get much for him if someone’s eating his contract. Plus, this is a nice, clean way of finishing up our payroll clearing once and for all. We’d have over $20m by my count to overwhelm someone with. Maybe Cuddyer and Maholm?
by BostonTransplant on Dec 3, 2011 9:29 AM MST up reply actions
I bet we get more for Street than you may think.
There’s always a ready market for relievers. Four teams are apparently in on Octavio Dotel! It’s just one of those things where there’s always plenty of action. I think Atlanta is wanting a RH bat rather than a lefthander, though I do recall Smith’s name came up from the Braves’ side. I like Jed Lowrie, too. I wonder if some sort of deal involving Street for Lowrie could work. I’m also with you on Maholm and Cuddyer (or Willingham.)
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I think that gets to the point where it's no longer worth it to go after Prado
Why not just trade Street to Boston for Lowrie and Smith to somebody else for another player at a position of need. I’d rather have Lowrie than Prado if it’s going to take more than he’s worth to get Prado.
by Rox Girl on Dec 3, 2011 9:37 AM MST up reply actions 4 recs
I'd actually be very cool with that
I’ve always liked Lowrie and think he could be a perfect solution for us. Right-handed hitter with some power, can play 2B, SS, and 3B (but would probably be everyday at 2B for us). 27 but has never gotten a full-time chance. From the West. If he was our second baseman we wouldn’t have to carry Herrera as a backup to Tulo.
What’s not to like? He’s not as established as Prado and probably not as good a hitter, but if the Braves are going to be poopy about this, I like it as plan B.
by BostonTransplant on Dec 3, 2011 10:48 AM MST up reply actions
I agree, and I'm nitpicking now
but if the Rockies were to get Lowrie to play second how would that not make Herrera the Tulo back up? Sure, Herrera wouldn’t have to play SS when Troy gets his day off but he would still be put in the lineup to play second, assuming you move Lowrie to short, thus essentially making him Tulowitzki’s backup. All of this is mute if the Rockies have another utility middle infielder they would rather use (Chris Nelson? Tommy Field?).
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Oh
I’m fine with it and would like it a lot but I was just nitpicking that he said Herrera wouldn’t be Tulo’s backup if we had Lowerie. Sure it wouldn’t be a position for position backup but moving Lowerie over puts Herrera in the lineup instead of Troy and thus he really would be the backup.
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I was operating under the assumption the EY is the best of the maybe-2B
Just because he can do other things, like steal bases and occasionally (VERY) play the outfield.
by BostonTransplant on Dec 3, 2011 11:34 AM MST up reply actions
I'm not sure we want that...
…because if Tracy has him on his roster, he starts thinking “Oh, cool, fourth OF!” and playing him in left every third day…we already saw that this year!
OTOH, Herrera can do other things
like play defense at 2B (or even SS…)
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Too bad neither of them can, you know, GET ON BASE
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Dec 3, 2011 3:20 PM MST up reply actions
You have a problem with .5 tool players?
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by Junction Rox on Dec 3, 2011 3:25 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
Love it.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Dec 3, 2011 3:27 PM MST up reply actions
I rounded up
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by Junction Rox on Dec 3, 2011 3:33 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Well Rounding up is understandable
after all he is the Answer.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
by wolf213 on Dec 3, 2011 3:37 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
If Boston will jump for a Street-for-Lowrie trade, I'd also be totally down with that.
Just looking at Lowrie in a vacuum, he’s a questionable (but competent) fielder, you don’t know which bat is gonna show up, etc. We should’ve just retained Ellis.
That said, if we move Street’s contract for Lowrie, we can at least hope for the upside while saving several million dollars.
I just resent the idea of purely salary dumping Street.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 3, 2011 11:01 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe we can see if they still want an Iannetta-Lowrie swap
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Well
the way their pitching collapsed last year Chatwood might help…
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Yeah! we could totally make th
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 3, 2011 11:14 AM MST up reply actions
Go ahead punk make my day!
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uh.... ok
/kills self
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 3, 2011 1:38 PM MST up reply actions
Ha, ha
But that was the kind of trade I would have preferred for Iannetta,
That said, isn’t Lowrie injured a lot?
that was actually a rumored trade back in 2010, I believe?
and yes, Lowrie is injured a lot. And yes, he’s really not been a good MLB hitter for the vast majority of his career.
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I dunno, he goes back and forth
He OPS’d over 900 in 2010. He had a good 2008 and 2010, but bad odd years. And I think he’s “hurt a lot” sort of like Tulo is “hurt a lot.” Just a bunch of random, unassociated muscle injuries.
by BostonTransplant on Dec 3, 2011 11:37 AM MST up reply actions
Not only am I interested in acquring Lowrie
But I also would want to see what happened if he gave up switch hitting. He has a .919 CAREER OPS WHILE BATTING RIGHT HANDED (obviously all against LHP) and only a .635 OPS batting left handed (obviously only against RHP). However 66% of his career PA’s have come against RHP – So Boston either hasn’t caught on or for some reason still believes he can hit left handed.
It would seem like it’s a low risk/VERY HIGH REWARD gamble to just have him bat right handed all the time. Is he really still going to see a 284 point drop in his OPS against RHP if he does this? And even if he does, you could still just start him mostly against LHP and squeeze more value out of him than Boston did.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 3, 2011 11:58 AM MST up reply actions
First of all
I never said I wanted Dex to give up hitting left handed. Additionally, it’s a very different situation as Dex’s numbers as a RHB and a LHB are very comparable and were actualy slightly higher as a lefty last season.
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 3, 2011 12:23 PM MST up reply actions
I don’t see it as a “normal” salary dump if they take the money saved and invest it in a pitcher. Then it essentially becomes Street for X player from trade and FA pitcher.
Now if they spend the Street savings on Millwood …..
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DINGDINGDING!!
We have a—well, for everyone who gets stuck with it, that’s a loser—
—but it’s what’s gonna happen!
Agree 100%
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So the Nats are pursuing Fielder
if they get him what do we think of packaging Smith for Morse?
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They're wanting both Morse and Fielder.
Chris Marrero (who got injured in the DWL already) and whichever LaRoche it is they have would be available players.
right but Morse is unlikely to be a good LF going forward not that Smith is great
but they may want to add a LH Bat
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fair enough though they will need a cf more than anything else soon
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his defense doesn't bother them with that level of offensive production
They’d sooner eat salary and try to dump Jayson Werth than trade Morse at this point. Now if he falls back to earth in 2012, that might change, but then if that was the case we might not want him either.
MOrse
I was thinking this too in the “probably not going to happen but let’s see what might make sense for both sides anyways” kinda way. But I couldn’t come up with anything, as his versatility still gives him plenty of value in Washington and they will have no need to trade him for anything less than a package that they deem more valuable than Morse himself.
They need a CF so I think any deal for him starts with Dexter Fowler, but Fowler wouldn’t be enough and past him they probably start asking for prospects like Arrenado that we don’t want to give up.
Angels are about to trade Jeff Mathis to the Blue Jays for Brad Mills
as the fallout from the Iannetta trade starts happening. I’m curious why the Jays are after Mathis with so many catcher in their system. I wonder if A.A. has another flip to a third team planned.
I hope if there is a third team, that it isn't us
I’d rather not give away anything to get Mathis… I’m ok with signing him on a minor league deal with a big league invite, but that is it.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
Why would you even fear that?
We picked up our starting C for until Rosario’s called up 3 days ago, and Mathis isn’t Latin anyway…
/gets Mike Napoli back
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 3, 2011 10:10 AM MST up reply actions
FFFFFFFFFFFFFF
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 3, 2011 10:28 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
huh.
I always assumed Brad Mills was better than that until I checked B-R.
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A trade that harms both teams?
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by Since1993 on Dec 3, 2011 4:23 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Mets are looking for a defense heavy catcher ; regardless of his bat to frame all the MiLBers they plan to audition.
Alderson and Collins have both said " it’s all hands on deck for the pitching staff "
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Now that the Mets changed their field dimensions it’s going to be a hard harder for them to get by with such a mediocre pitching staff. It should be “all hand on deck to improve the pitching staff” rather than “all hands on deck for the pitching staff .”
Wilpons need to sell that team. The fact that a NY might not be able to resign their 28 year old SS is a travesty.
I say all this as a Met fan myself, having grown up back East.
With luck they didn't shrink it _too_ much...
…the last thing that city needs is Yankee Bandbox and Not-Yankee Bandbox
They might compete with the Rox for a Maholm or Milwood... Depending on what's left to spend.
So far it sounds like everyone from AA on up will get a cup of coffee. BTW welcome to the row!
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I think they only have money for one
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Yeah, I heard they are working off a $95 million budget this year and that includes, draft, international signings, plus any in season moves. Not much breathing room for them too do anything.
Maybe we can choke David Wright out of them
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by Roxman4ever on Dec 3, 2011 12:47 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
They are also talking to Francis
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Money for one of Maholm and Millwood?
LOL.
Well, why would we want both anyway? And plus, there’s plenty of money to sign both, we just wouldn’t want to.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 3, 2011 1:15 PM MST up reply actions
No, You wouldn't want to.
The team is interested in both.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 3, 2011 1:40 PM MST up reply actions
there's defense-oriented catcher
and then there’s jeff “.194/.257/.301” mathis
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one, but trading wiggy to the phillies totally makes it okay
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Hooray more snow.
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You realize that it's December in Colorado, right?
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 3, 2011 10:36 AM MST up reply actions
JFK's Quote of the Day:
“Baseball is like a poker game. Nobody wants to quit when he’s losing; nobody wants you to quit when you’re ahead.” Source: I Never Had it Made (Jackie Robinson) ~Jackie Robinson
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I didn't realize the Padres
only had 45 home runs on the road last year. Yikes, that’s low
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That can happen when a gut with a .373 SLG% leads your team in HR's
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 3, 2011 10:45 AM MST up reply actions
gut guy
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 3, 2011 10:45 AM MST up reply actions
And he only had 11
I just don’t pay much attention to the Padres so when I read that I was kind of surprised
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Ehhh, can we say he only did that because they didn't have Guzman all year?
…still, I doubt he would’ve done much better
Hurts when the best hitter you have left loses half the season to a broken hand.
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As I stated last night.
The Red Sox is in need of a RF and a set up closer pitcher. I do like the idea of trading those 2 for Lowrie and maybe another player. I would be ok with it if he is the only player we get in return. But, with that move, wouldn’t that mean that Stewie would be the starter at 3rd or would it pave the way for Arenado more easily? Hey, has Kouzmanoff signed with anybody yet? Good always bring him back just to fill in.
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Street and Smith both are way too much to give up for Lowrie alone.
That’s undervaluing the Rockies players by quite a bit.
Which one would be good enough?
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Either by himself
with maybe a lower level prospect. But nothing beyond that
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I guess the BoSox is ready to do some dealing.
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Like Rookie level or A ball level?
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Street is more likely to interest the BoSox
They’re already very lefty-heavy, especially if they re-sign Ortiz.
by BostonTransplant on Dec 3, 2011 1:17 PM MST up reply actions
Plus there's always a market for a pretty good reliever.
I bet we don’t have to ass anything in a Street/Lowrie swap.
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I know that we wanted Kipnis from CLE.
Would anyone be interested in taking a flyer on Carl Everett?
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hang on a sec. I may have screwed up
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I thought so
Carl retired a few years ago (2006)
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yea, my fingers got ahead of my brain
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Adam Everett is the one I meant
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I take back my question. I don't want him
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I didn't get BR up fast enough.
Computer is running slow this afternoon
78 today and 77 tomorrow is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
Check your Java updates and delete the obsolete stuff. My computer was just about stopped by that.
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Carl wouldn't believe that the triceratops fossils they up when building the stadium are real.....
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 3, 2011 3:26 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
*dug up
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 3, 2011 3:32 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Best comments section of all time.
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Yeah but they only require 2 recs for a green.
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Rec devaluation inevitably leads to rec inflation
The value of a rec here holds it’s value over time. It’s like gold.
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Junction Rox on Dec 3, 2011 3:26 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Holy Crap. All that green is going to make me sick.
Why can’t we ever have a comments section like that?
78 today and 77 tomorrow is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
When JT gets canned we will
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
by wolf213 on Dec 3, 2011 1:19 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
we don't hold that much distaste for Tracy around here
Mathis is a bad player, sure, but it’s more about watching Napoli in Texas and Vernon Wells “playing” in Anaheim.
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I think Sammie and AMart might disagree!
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
When that day happens I will try to wear out PR's rec thingie!
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
Terry Francona...
Come on down!
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
A lot is two words. Allot can be one word but it has another meaning.
The only time you really want to use "myself" is when you are the recipient of your own action. Usually you're better off using "me."
Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
It's anyway, not anyways.
But if you only remember one thing...
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
Amazing.
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At the end of the thread
I think someone forgot to close a strikeout marker
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JFK
wow
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one, but trading wiggy to the phillies totally makes it okay
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You think the rec thingie is broken yet?
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"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 3, 2011 1:42 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
Haha.
Well, I think he’s pretty much right on Chacin.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 3, 2011 2:13 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Eh, I think Chacin's ceiling is higher
if he improves his control down to about 3.00 BB/9 like I think he can; I think Chacin can sustain a 7.5 K/9 over his prime, and with his groundball tendencies, that can make him a strong #2, especially considering what his ERA+ is already for pitching here. The 2.5 fWAR he posted this year already makes him a #3 starter, so Law is saying Chacin reached his ceiling at age 23? This isn’t even mentioning his rWAR which was 4.1, but I’m using fWAR here because Chacin did have some luck this year.
Chacin’s career path looks strangely like Brandon Webb’s right now, except where Webb posted better numbers as a rookie, Chacin has performed at a younger age than Webb. Webb’s control and K numbers varied quite drastically in his first three years before stabilizing, and Chacin’s numbers over the past 2 years look quite similar to Webb’s. I’m not saying Chacin is going to turn into Webb, or cut his walks in half like Webb did, but if he does improve his control, I think Chacin could be our form of Brandon Webb as a strong 2 or borderline ace.
Your 2012 Colorado Rockies:freshly exorcised from Ty Wigginton
Per Rosenthal, Kuroda is open to any team now that the Dodgers are out on him
Probably increases our chances from 1 to 5 percent though :/
Your 2012 Colorado Rockies:freshly exorcised from Ty Wigginton
it actually might lower them now that our "quiet pursuit" is out of the bag and everybody's involved...
Before it was the Angels or Mariners or the Rockies as the proverbial mystery team, but now it opens up for the Yankees/Marlins/Rangers or whoever to also get him.
I'm sure his agent leaked the Rockies "interest," not the Rockies
There aren’t that many secrets among ML GM’s, not when it comes to successful starting pitchers whose agents are doing their jobs … I’ll bet everyone who’s chasing after Buerhle calls Kuroda’s agent today to see just how “open” he is. Can’t imagine in a million years him agreeing to Colorado, unless he’s a big skier or something.
by BostonTransplant on Dec 3, 2011 2:18 PM MST up reply actions
Dear Kuroda,
Please sign with the Rockies and feel free to stick it to the rest of the league at every opportunity.
Regards
-LDMM
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 3, 2011 3:19 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, "any" team can make an offer and he will consider it ...
just long enough to go to the Angels or whomever he really would pitch for and tell them to shit or get off the pot. This screams agent manipulation. He’s not coming here, or for that matter 25 or more other cities.
by BostonTransplant on Dec 3, 2011 4:17 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Man I wish we
could put Casey Blake in the Giambi roster spot, we can’t have both and Blake has a career .846 OPS against LHP. He can play 3B and corner OF a lot better than Wiggy as well
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
Ehhhhhhhhhhhhh
I don’t know about that. Blake’s effectiveness going forward doesn’t look too promising. If it’s between him or Giambi, I’d rather just keep Giambi.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Dec 3, 2011 3:21 PM MST up reply actions
This seems like an opportune time to begin my daily series Yonder Alonso comments/memes
I WANT YONDER ALONSO ON MY TEAM, GOD DAMNIT.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Dec 3, 2011 3:26 PM MST reply actions
yeah, but then he'd have to change his name to Hither Alonso
by Rox Girl on Dec 3, 2011 3:29 PM MST up reply actions 9 recs
WHY ISNT THIS GREEN
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make it green
78 today and 77 tomorrow is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
I first read this as Hitler Alonso and was confused.
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 3, 2011 6:51 PM MST via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
That would not be an awesome nickname
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 3, 2011 11:05 PM MST up reply actions
/godwin'd
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 3, 2011 11:06 PM MST up reply actions
Would it be worth it if we traded Smith + Fowler
In a deal which we received Alonso and Prado, and the Reds got Jurrjens? I think that’s what the cost would be at least; we would require a third team because we’re obviously not giving up young pitching anytime soon.
Your 2012 Colorado Rockies:freshly exorcised from Ty Wigginton
How would this work again?
Who would the Braves get? If it’s just Yonder Alonso, I’m pretty sure they would laugh.
by BostonTransplant on Dec 3, 2011 4:23 PM MST up reply actions
No
because we would still need to get another outfielder as I’m not 100% sure Wheeler is ready yet. I would rather not trade two of our starting OF to fill two infield gaps, as great as those players are/can be.
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JFK
Ditto
Soon as the Reds realize they can’t use him and he won’t help them spending another year in AAA…
Though, they apparently balked at Andrew Bailey for him so they don’t seem ready yet.
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
A lot is two words. Allot can be one word but it has another meaning.
The only time you really want to use "myself" is when you are the recipient of your own action. Usually you're better off using "me."
Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
It's anyway, not anyways.
But if you only remember one thing...
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
I would've balked on that too
They’d have to be silly to trade him for a reliever. Any reliever.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Dec 3, 2011 6:54 PM MST up reply actions
Really? Bailey was AL ROY in '09 and can close when Chapman goes to the rotation.
Just under a 1.0 WHIP in exchange for a guy the Reds have no position for. Reds really just have to take their best offer and Bailey’s a really good offer in my opinion. Especially given that Cincy is in no position to make a market on Alonso – a good player but he’s going to spoil.
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
A lot is two words. Allot can be one word but it has another meaning.
The only time you really want to use "myself" is when you are the recipient of your own action. Usually you're better off using "me."
Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
It's anyway, not anyways.
But if you only remember one thing...
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
Huge questions on Bailey staying healthy for much longer
I don’t think Beane gets much of a market ginned up for him for that reason. You just can’t trade any significant resources for a relief pitcher with 2 tj surgeries and a violent, all-out delivery. I don’t care who it is. Besides, there are many other AL teams that could use a 1B/DH. I think the Reds can do better.
by BostonTransplant on Dec 3, 2011 7:12 PM MST up reply actions
They'll have to start him next year in LF
They have no choice but to put him on the roster, he’s out of options.
Your 2012 Colorado Rockies:freshly exorcised from Ty Wigginton
I tweeted this, but I believe the Rockies are more likely to sign CJ Wilson than Kuroda
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 3, 2011 7:47 PM MST via mobile reply actions
This might be the one time I prefer they go the less expensive route.
Go figure.
by Adam2011 on Dec 3, 2011 8:08 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
oh me too...by far....
But Kuroda won’t choose Colorado
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 3, 2011 8:14 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
And hopefully the Rockies wont choose WIlson
Not to say I don’t like him, I do, but I think it just about the worst idea on the face of the planet for the Rockies to hand out a $100 million contract to a pitcher that has never pitched at Coors before.
He isn't better than Cargo and they didn't even give him 100 million.
Tulo: Yea, he is worth it. I actually though Cargo would’ve gotten more.
77 today and 76 tomorrow is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
Cargo’s deal had to do with the fact that his deal involved buying out his arbitration years so his deal was based on a different scale.
Wilson isn't nowhere near 100 million. Whoever pays him that is stupid.
We did that one time (twice I think). This might be the reason why we don’t hand huge contracts. Tulo, Helton and Cargo are the exceptions.
77 today and 76 tomorrow is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
by Roxman4ever on Dec 3, 2011 8:34 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
If Wilson can maintain the level of pitching he has for the past 2 seasons (logs a ton of innings, healthy k rate, low whip, low era) I think whoever signs him will be pleased with their investment, even if they are over-paying (which I agree they would be).
IMO, he’s a great #2 guy for a good rotation. If you pay him with that type of expectation than it should work out. I think it could get dangerous if you expect him to be your Roy Halladay or Justin Verlander though.
He's also my second favourite baseball player on Twitter
- is my burgeoning mancrush on Brandon McCarthy, who I want to be my best friend.
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Keyword: Pitcher, pitched.
Lol.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 4, 2011 1:56 AM MST up reply actions
Awww....CarGo pic
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by SDcat09 on Dec 3, 2011 9:09 PM MST reply actions 2 recs
he looks massive compared to that woman.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Dec 4, 2011 1:56 AM MST up reply actions
so i miss one rockpile
and no meaningful discussion happens.
/serves a purpose.
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one, but trading wiggy to the phillies totally makes it okay
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New idea for our RH bat...
to replace Spilly, but we’ll have to wait until late May to see him…
A right-handed Jason Giambi?
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