Friday Rockpile: Troy Renck Tells All
by Andrew Martin on Dec 30, 2011 7:30 AM MST
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PrintYesterday afternoon, Troy Renck of the Denver Post shared quite a bit of information with his Twitter followers.
Twitter / @TroyRenck: Prado isn't dead bc braves ...
Troy Renck is telling us that just because the Braves like Smith, a Prado trade isn't dead yet. Maybe they don't want to do Smith for Prado. Maybe they want to do Smith for somebody else. Probably not Jurrjens though, given:
Twitter / @TroyRenck: Plus wheeler which Rox are ...
Atlanta wants Tim Wheeler and Seth Smith for Martin Prado. Now look, I'm not saying we should just throw Tim Wheeler around like a random throw-in, but I guess I'm not sure what we're balking at. I mean, from my stance, Smith is a far more valuable player than he's getting credit for, poor season fielding or now. Remember, Prado is in a BUY LOW situation. I'd do Smith and Wheeler if Prado was playing well and we were a little more sure of the player we were shopping for than what Prado showed us in 2011. I don't see this particular acquisition as the make-or-break of 2012 success.
I'm not particularly secure in the other 2B options we have, so I DO understand some of the urgency, but let's not hurt the organization as a whole by getting so fixated on one player that we end up overpaying just for the sake of saying we got our guy. We got Cuddyer. Let's not go haywire acquiring a stopgap. We could go haywire for Heyward. But not Prado. No alliteration there.
Let's keep this in perspective. Ryan Spilborghs just came off of an awful season, and while he's not the WORST player we could pick up, the notion that he's like a LOCK to come back just doesn't make sense. We shouldn't be paying more than league min for that kind of player on the bench - good guy or no - so guaranteeing anything above that is just a poor financial move for the organization. I'd rather just run the risk of having Charlie Blackmon and Wheeler up to back up Carlos Gonzalez, Dexter Fowler, and Michael Cuddyer. Or Andruw Jones. I'm still interested in him.
Well, it smacks of Desperation, that's for sure.
Ok, that's a good thing. Jurrjens is a good, young pitcher. He'd be a boon to our rotation.
Atlanta is looking for a Greinke-esque package for Jurrjens.
Ok, Jurrjens is good, he is, but he ain't that good. I'm really concerned that he might not have a full 34-start season in him. Which would be a shame, of course.
In a sense, I can't blame the Braves for seeing what they could get for him, and asking really high. 2 sub-3 ERA seasons are nothing to sneeze at from a kid that young. I'll be interested to see how some of these offseason pitcher moves compare to the Rockies' return for Ubaldo Jimenez.
Twitter / @rafaelrojasc: Former #Rockies IF Melvin ...
After a long career that included the Colorado Rockies for a short amount of time, Melvin Mora has retired from the great game of baseball.
Melvin Mora Retires: MLB Rumors - MLBTradeRumors.com
The Rockies were only a short part of Mora's career, and he made a good impression on Rockies fans, batting .285/.358/.421 in 113 games for Colorado. Perhaps his versatility was overstated, as he really didn't have any business playing 2B, 1B, or any outfield position, but Lord knows the guy tried, and a .285 batting average had most fans pretty pleased with the acquisition.
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- Reason to “Overpay”- If you think the piece you are acquiring will put you in the prime position you want to be or “over the top” as they say in the industry.
Does Martin Prado put our ball club into the prime contention position that we want?
A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves
A Helton/Prado/Tulo/Blake IF is probably among the best combo of offense/defense this team has ever fielded
added to a Cuddyer/Dex/Cargo OF, Hernandez at C, Giambi, Rosario, Field, Blackmon, Pacheco and a FA OF and I think we are a solidly above average to really good hitting team. Our pitching situation would need some things to break our way, but we did win 90+ games relying heavily on Jason Marquis a few years back nothing to say we can’t win with this rotation, especially with a deceptively good bullpen
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
It’s pretty good, but going into the season, as a realist, I would have to still label Helton, Blake, and Fowler as question marks, the entire rotation is a question mark, and our closer has a career 27 saves over 9 seasons.
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 30, 2011 8:18 AM MST up reply actions
Can you name a team that doesn't have question marks?
Our closer posted a 39/1 K/BB after the break last year, Blake replaces Wiggy who had answered every question we have all negatively, Adding Prado(.774 career OPS against LHP, including a .923 in 09) Cuddyer(career .869 OPS against LHP, including a .993 against LHP in ’11) and Blake(Career .846 OPS against LHP, including .895 2010, 1.005 in 09) would help in an areas we have struggled.
I am okay losing Smith ESP if we can keep Wheeler, and a 2014 OF of Wheeler/Fowler/Cargo has some crazy XBH potential.
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
every team has question marks? I was just pointing out some major ones. Which is why I don’t think Prado does a whole lot for us because we still don’t know what we get out of Helton, Blake, Fowler and our pitching staff. I am not saying Prado is not good or couldn’t be great for us, but what I am saying is it might not really matter a whole lot. We’ve built Prado up on here all off season like he is some savior and the only deal that needs to be made and I just think so what? We still have to have amazing years out of our 3 38+ year olds on our roster, our CF who could hit his stride or could end up in AAA again, and our pitching staff which looks more like a AAA team than a major league team at this point
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 30, 2011 10:05 AM MST up reply actions
Not completely true we need average to slightly below average years out of those
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
realist and pessimist are not synonymous
Avalance 2011-12 season, Mission 45 Wins.
Get well soon Juan.
by Thnikkaman on Dec 30, 2011 3:22 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
They are for the next 21:44 MST.
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"...buffalo chicken is a fine anti-depressant, after all." -UZ
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This is another example of DOD overvaluing prospects
Give them Smith and Wheeler for Prado. Prado is a career .293 hitter whos stats would only inflate, playing in Coors. You put Prado’s bat in this lineup, you are looking at one of the best 1-8’s in the National League.
Smith cant catch anything he has to come in on and cant hit lefties. Wheeler struck out 120 times in AA Ball and has never hit over .300 in any of his pro seasons. If the Braves want him for Prado…MAKE IT HAPPEN! Wheeler could end up being more Ian Stewart than Troy Tulowitki. We know what we have in Prado….a career .290 hitter that doesn’t strike out, hits the ball to all fields, balances out the lineup (career .303 hitter against RHPs) and fills the sink hole at 2nd base since EY Sr played the position.
Correction...
Wheeler struck out 142 times in Double A ball.
he also hit 30 home runs, stole 20 bases, and plays center field
there are good things about tim wheeler, too
arenado: it's Rockie for future
Projects to move to corner OF.
I don’t like when people say CF.
@DylanZable
by CentralCaliRox on Dec 30, 2011 5:49 PM MST up reply actions
bettis projects to relieve
people still call him a starter
arenado: it's Rockie for future
I'd say Bettis' odds of sticking as a starter are closer to 50%
while Wheeler’s chances of sticking as a CF are closer to 10%. there’s The difference
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 30, 2011 7:51 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Do we know that's what we have in Prado?
Or do we have the guy who hit .260 (and only .vs righties) with a .687 OPS last year, while not playing an inning at 2B?
I want Prado, I agree he helps the lineup, and I’m all for dealing Smith to get him. But Wheeler isn’t near as much of a worthless throw in as you portray. He may never have hit .300, but he did hit .287 last year, which represented substantial improvement at the highest level of competition he’s faced. As did his .365 OBP and .900 OPS (and 33 HR, obviously).
It might well be the right time to sell high on Wheeler, but adding him to Smith just to land Prado isn’t selling high.
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by Junction Rox on Dec 30, 2011 4:46 PM MST up reply actions
Overpay?
Since when is throwing in an average outfielder who cant catch and a AA Prospect that struck out 142 times for a career .292 hitter overpaying? Especially since the Rockies haven’t had an above average 2nd baseman in their franchise history.
If you ask me, I think we are getting a steal. Wheeler will never make in the pros with such high strike out rates. He will be Ian Stewart reincarnate. Let him go..
Prado's a big question mark
He was absolutely awful last year. Remember, Jose Lopez had a couple good years, too. There’s a real chance he would show up here and be as bad as 2011 and end up as a utility infielder.
by BostonTransplant on Dec 30, 2011 4:52 PM MST up reply actions
Why is anyone even TALKING about Spilly coming back?
I’ll bet DoD has boxes of 8-track tapes in his basement just waiting for them to come back. Probably surrounded by lava lamps and Farrah posters on the walls. Probably got a cool five-pound cell phone for Christmas. Time to move on . . .
good clubhouse guy
fits the mold
fan favorite
all other correct pr answers
sounds like a renck answer
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 30, 2011 7:51 AM MST up reply actions
Because the Royals
went out and brought Y. Betancourt back? Otherwise I have no idea.
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JFK
Heck yes.
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by prettyinpurple on Dec 30, 2011 11:06 AM MST up reply actions
I must have missed that one.
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Mmmmmmmm ....Farah
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Okay … that takes me back…
Dang..
she can be my angel anytime!
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by Charlie77 on Dec 30, 2011 4:13 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
JFK's Quote of the Day:
“When I get the record, all it will make me is the player with the most hits. I’m also the player with the most at bats and the most outs. I never said I was a greater player than (Ty) Cobb.” ~Pete Rose
"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK
If Wheeler is the piece to get it done, I'd do it
I really think this is a sell-high point on Wheeler. If we include him, I’d hope DoD asks for another piece back, probably a developmental prospect, but I don’t think we’d look back in 5 years and regret moving Wheeler.
by mattrob on Dec 30, 2011 8:31 AM MST via mobile reply actions
I wouldn't have any way of knowing
but he probably would have asked for another (lower level?) prospect back in that package. Or at least I hope he would have.
"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK
Noooooooooooooooooooooooo
Vic & Gary are leaving 102.3 the ticket and it’s becoming the ESPN station on Sunday.
Boooooooooooooo!!
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
Luftfeuchtigkeitsregler über alles.
by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 30, 2011 8:43 AM MST via mobile reply actions
THe business world sucks
baseball, radio…
"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK
so all the time or just the morning slot?
Filling up your senses like a night in the forest since 1992.
by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 30, 2011 8:49 AM MST up reply actions
Full.
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
Luftfeuchtigkeitsregler über alles.
by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 30, 2011 8:57 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
strange.
Filling up your senses like a night in the forest since 1992.
by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 30, 2011 8:59 AM MST up reply actions
this does suck
I’d rather eat glass than watch/listen to Mike & Mike.
I’d rather eat glass than watch/listen toMike & MikeColin Cowherd.
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 30, 2011 8:54 AM MST up reply actions
Skip Bayless
should be required viewing at Gitmo
So much this
As obnoxious as much of ESPiN’s stable of “talent” can be, Cowherd is in a class by himself. Probably a remedial class for the utterly intolerable.
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by Junction Rox on Dec 30, 2011 11:34 AM MST up reply actions
i’d second that
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 30, 2011 10:38 AM MST up reply actions
oh god i disagree
Van Pelt thinks he’s hip. He said he was really hungry the other day and “crushed” a pop tart during the break. What a douche.
he knows hes a nerd and a dork and tries to act really “cool”, its part of his personality. Hes just a fun going sports nerd
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 30, 2011 1:23 PM MST up reply actions
he isn't bad - of course it's easier to look good when you're surrounded by
Berman, Screamin’ A, etc.
now I won't get a chance to tell them
that booing Ubaldo is dumb and Street is actually a pretty good pitcher…better than Shawn Chacon. though I guess O’Dowd took care of both of them.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 30, 2011 10:21 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
please don't tell me you just found out
Avalance 2011-12 season, Mission 45 Wins.
Get well soon Juan.
by Thnikkaman on Dec 30, 2011 3:26 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
I've known about a month
too bad
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"Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est"
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 30, 2011 3:28 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Someone on twitter asked about Larry Walker
@Ken_Rosenthal Just quickly dismiss L Walker because he played at Coors I suppose?
@TheBorginator That’s my biggest problem with his candidacy.
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But is Rosenthal saying this is what he wants to do?
Or is he questioning the conventional wisdom here?
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imprettysure thats what he means
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 30, 2011 1:24 PM MST up reply actions
A hangup but not a dealbreaker perhaps.
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I'm bored. Let's speculate!
How does everyone feel about Gavin Floyd as a SP target? Consensus seems to be White Sox would trade him for prospects.
by BostonTransplant on Dec 30, 2011 9:06 AM MST reply actions
Go for it.. we need something
On With The Arms Race
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 30, 2011 9:11 AM MST up reply actions
Other than that one season, he hasn’t been very good. Does he offer us much upgrade over guys like Chatwood, Slowey, etc.?
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 30, 2011 9:22 AM MST up reply actions
yes
"Some guy on the net thinks I suck, and he should know - he's got his own blog." - Nick Hornby
"Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est"
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 30, 2011 10:22 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
Definitely over Slowey
I’m pretty intrigued over Chatwood. Read he has a high 90’s fastball and a high 70’s changeup with movement. He never seemed to put a full start together with the angels, would usually go 4 or 5 lights out innings and then get lit up. looking forward to seeing what he can do with some more experience.
Three way deal ....
White Sox get Smith, a good P prospect like White or Bettis, and another good P prospect from the Braves. Braves get Quentin and Wheeler. We get Prado and Floyd.
I’d be happy with that.
by BostonTransplant on Dec 30, 2011 9:36 AM MST up reply actions
I like that for all involved
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
that’s a pretty fine 3 way trade. Sox would need a bit more I think though for losing Quentin and Floyd.
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Braves are getting too much value, Rockies are getting too much value
The White Sox would never do this.
Your 2012 Colorado Rockies:freshly exorcised from Ty Wigginton
Smith, White/Bettis and another good P prospect
is not going to get the WS to give up Floyd and Quentin as others have pointed out. And I really don’t think we could expect it to land us Prado and Floyd. And I don’t see any way the Braves could plan on getting Wheeler and Quentin for Prado. To me that’s the most lopsided leg of the transaction. Let the Braves send another player back to the Sox, and the Rockies maybe another lower level prospect somewhere, and the thing would come closer to working.
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by Junction Rox on Dec 30, 2011 11:31 AM MST up reply actions
I'd rather trade for Brandon McCarthy
He’s riskier but should come cheaper, but he was better than Floyd in 2011
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Floyd
Depends on the asking price.
He’d be a nice addition to our rotation but I view him as a nice, mid-rotation arm and I think Chicago’s price on him might be at a higher value.
Hopefully, DOD does his due diligence on Floyd and determines if the asking price is worth the prize,
Here's a believer in Matzek
http://seedlingstostars.com/2011/12/29/some-of-tyler-matzeks-problems-were-out-of-his-control/
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holy block text, Batman. That was hard to read.
I like his hypothesis though, and drew very similar conclusions a couple of months ago. It also meshes well with what I heard over the Asheville radio broadcasts the second half of the season.
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The conclusion didn't make much sense
Pretty much said that he walks batters because he thinks he walks batters, so if he doesn’t walk batters, he will be better because he doesn’t think he walks batters, or something like that.
I think it was something more along the approach
Like if he convinces hitters that he can throw his fastball for a strike, they are going to chase more often. Matzek has a reputation for being wild, so naturally nobody is going to swing at anything that’s close.
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which could be true, but im kinda thinking its a stretch of an excuse
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 30, 2011 1:29 PM MST up reply actions
exactly.
what’re you missing?
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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 30, 2011 11:52 AM MST up reply actions
Matzek has great stuff, but his previous walk rates mean hitters don’t swing at anything.
What happened this fall was that Matzek started approaching the strike zone more and forcing hitters to swing. He doesn’t have to necessarily throw strikes, just diminish the reputation that allows hitters to keep the bat on their shoulders.
If Matzek can be closer to the strike zone like he was after his hiatus, then batters will be forced to swing even if it’s not really in the zone. Bad for hitters, awesome for Matzek because they can’t make solid contact on his pitches.
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I think Matzek/s biggest problem is nobody knows huw to help develope command for a Marshall pitcher.
He also suffers from the angels his pitches arrive from being different enough as to cost him close calls IMO. I really hope he can get past this because he’d givr the pitching staff a different look with all the GB dependent pitchers here.
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Not haywire over Heyward
Don’t understand how Heyward could be a viable option. He offers nothing over Smith.
Better to keep the focus on Prado.
by Real Perspective on Dec 30, 2011 11:45 AM MST reply actions
Smith is better than Heyward. Forever.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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At checkers?
Because I have to assume you are not talking about based ball…
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by Junction Rox on Dec 30, 2011 11:57 AM MST up reply actions
at having an ‘S’ in the last name.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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Just like Superman...
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by Junction Rox on Dec 30, 2011 3:07 PM MST up reply actions
I doubt Atlanta would even consider trading Heyward
But if he could be had at a price that we could afford I would jump at it in a nanosecond. I know he was absolutely terrible last year (if only because he sank my fantasy team) but I still think he figures things out and becomes a superstar.
Something about being a 5 WAR player at the age of 20
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best troll comment ever
He offers nothing over Smith.
arenado: it's Rockie for future
Are you on drugs?
Jason Heyward is about a thousand times better than Seth Smith
Jason Giambi for player-manager in 2012!
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by free7694 on Dec 30, 2011 4:49 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Probably
But you never know with kids like Heyward. There wasn’t any obvious reason why he stunk last year. Pitchers adjust, and if you can’t adjust to the adjustment, you may not come anywhere near playing up to your talent level. Smith is very consistent, for what he gives.
by BostonTransplant on Dec 30, 2011 4:54 PM MST up reply actions
Here's another prospect list
Some good scouting insight and a few videos, including one of Arenado working on his fielding.
Sickels’ top 20 prospects list is up
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not the first nor last time you'll see that
I try to avoid comps, but that one has always fit like a glove
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 30, 2011 12:51 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
I think it is a more than apt comparison
It makes me sad because I hate Miguel Olivo.
2011 - not even light can escape
Surprised by Rutledge's ranking.
@DylanZable
by CentralCaliRox on Dec 30, 2011 12:50 PM MST up reply actions
Also, been hearing a lot about Bettis to the bullpen..
Do not like.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 30, 2011 12:52 PM MST up reply actions
Agreed with Rutledge, I thought he'd at least be a B-
Bettis should be a B+, if Nestor Molina is a B+. They both have the same strikeout numbers and excellent command, and while Molina has better control, Bettis easily has superior stuff. They are both thought of as potential bullpen candidates. I thought Gardner and Friedrich would be lower, and I thought Herrera, Blackmon, and Cabrera would be higher.
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I thought Matzek would be a bit higher after his finish.
12ish. But I don’t have many gripes about the rankings, Sickels knows his stuff.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 30, 2011 1:22 PM MST up reply actions
Agreed, he hit Rosario right on, though I think Rosario will end up better defensively
I just think scouts are often too heavy on the third pitch (look at Pineda this year) though I agree it is necessary for long term success, and I think he’s underrating Rutledge’s ability to drive the ball. I’m also confused as to how Herrera has so-so numbers when he out OPS’d Story last season, and they’re the same age.
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Rosario = Olivio
Only makes me really wish would have traded Rosario instead of Iannetta, given the difference in the return package would have been a lot greater than the difference in each’s play.
Rosario has the talent to be more
If he doesn’t change his approach much to adjust to hitters, he’s Olivo. He’s still raw enough to be better than Olivo though and I think people would be way higher on him if he didn’t get injured at the end of 2010. Half of his season was spent getting himself back on track defensively
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adjust to pitchers**
I really gotta watch what I type
Your 2012 Colorado Rockies:freshly exorcised from Ty Wigginton
It comes down to OBP for Wilin ...
If the .342 OBP in 270 AB’s in 2010 prior to injury is the real Wilin, we have an All-Star catcher (note he also registered a .371 OBP in 263 AB’s in his 2nd run in the Pioneer league in 2008). This is what gets people excited. The power/arm seem to be unquestioned, but posting a sub.300 OBP in the minor leagues is not going to cut it. I want so badly to believe, but the warning flags are flying.
It could've been a factor in the decision to use Hernandez to mentor Rosario
While he doesn’t walk as much as Iannetta, Hernandez still takes the walk when he doesn’t get much to hit but has an approach that works to put the ball in play. I think the organization realizes Rosario won’t be a high OBP player so they’ll try to maximize the amount of times he puts the ball in play. If Rosario tries the Iannetta approach he’ll probably wind up having a season like Arencibia’s.
Your 2012 Colorado Rockies:freshly exorcised from Ty Wigginton
the old cito gaston school:
nobody takes a walk, and the only hits you get are home runs
arenado: it's Rockie for future
Rosario swings entirely too much to fit the Iannetta approach
both have high K rates, but for entirely opposite reasons
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 31, 2011 10:30 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
Right, I get that he can be more than Olivo. I was just responding to Sickel’s remark.
Expanding on my point, what I was trying to say is that Rosario isn’t this can’t miss prospect on his way to being a perennial all star. Right now, his conservative projections have him compared to a decent but well traveled catcher. He could surpass his projections, he could also never meet them. Point is, given his current trade value would appear to be greater than his actual projections are suggesting he’s worth and we had already had ourselves a decent, youngish catcher I would have preferred we dealt the player that could bring us back a more valuable package.
Obviously, this is hypothetical. I really don’t know what the trade market is for Rosario and I do think he is very valuable so he isn’t worth trading without getting back someone of equal value. But I do think had we held on to Iannetta and been willing to trade Rosario, we would have had a much more relevant gain than just Tyler Chatwood. And I don’t think Iannetta-Chatwood is the worse deal on face value, only that I don’t think the deal made sense for the Rockies given their needs.
Nestor Molina=Venezuelan=High Potential
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 30, 2011 1:31 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Rutledge still has a ton of questions
I’m not completely sold on him either. He needs to wow in AA to justify his high PuRPs ranking and prove that his second half wasn’t luck driven.
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Although Sickels does give him a chance to start:
Bettis and Gardner both have power sinkers coveted by the organization. Either or both could end up in the bullpen, but Bettis’ secondary stuff is better and I think he has the best shot at remaining a starter.
This is a positive though ... and a 1st ...
16) D.J. LeMahieu, INF, Grade C+: I haven’t given up hope that he can add some power, at least more doubles, and I think his defense is underrated.
9 B or better prospects? Great!
little confused about why Herrera ends up so far below Story, A 18yo with a .284/.361/.449 line in Casper doesn’t seem like “so-so numbers in the Pioneer League”
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Herrera vs. Story
That was the biggest surprise to me- the gap between the two. Personally, I think they’re both top-10 in the organization. Comparing their stats, their lines were almost identical, though Story took the free pass a little more often and runs better. Both faded a little toward the end of the season, although Story’s second half was worse than Herrera, despite playing fewer games. Home/road splits were very similar, and they’re within one month in age. Story gets the positional advantage if he can stick at SS, but Herrera’s bigger and should develop more power. He could be a great all-around 3B in time. In the end, I’m really excited about the comments on Story, but think the exact same thing could be said of Herrera.
Side note what does everyone think of Mende
could be a steal if the power is legit
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he did what he needed to in Casper to be on the radar
but he was one of the oldest on that team iirc, in a scary offensive environment. he’s in the watch category of Jared Clark a few years ago for me, but with a greater chance to be legitimate.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 31, 2011 10:32 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
very eager to see how story develops
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I was really surprised with the bullishness of that ranking
With proper development he can be a B+/A- prospect a year from now. . .perhaps more.
That’d probably be after a year in Asheville and would put him squarely among the best SS prospects in baseball, right behind guys like Profar and Machado…
the common belief is that he should have been the first-rounder, not anderson
arenado: it's Rockie for future
Imagine we could have had Story and Josh Bell for less than dumping Street
cost us
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Cold water on the Rockies....
Let’s not get real excited here folks about anything. Buster Olney has today ranked his Top 10 outfilelds in the major leagues, and Rox are not in them. While I think Cuddyer, Fowler and Cargo are solid, we are; barely keeping pace.
And 2 of the 4 positions in the IF just stink.
And our division competition includes Arizona and LA Dodgers, who make Olney’s Top 10 list , with AZ being #1.
The Rox desperatly need a breakthrough trade (pitching or batter) or player surprise such as Arenado at 3B. Maybe Billy Beane could call up DO’D and offer to give a starting player for a bunch of our mid-level prospects.
I’m not saying Rox won’t be competitive most of the time….It is just easy to get wrapped up in the team hype and then you realize there is still a long way to go.
Upton/Young/Kubel
is not very much better than CarGo/Dex/Cuddyer.
C’mon Olney
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 30, 2011 1:13 PM MST up reply actions
I would have to Agree a ton on this. Not being a homer at all but Chris Young is extremely overrated
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 30, 2011 1:33 PM MST up reply actions
....not really
He’s been worth 4.6 WAR each of the past 2 years, and he’s been putting up some ridiculous defensive numbers while maintaining an average bat. I think Fowler’s more talented and if UZR didn’t hate him because of Coors, he could easily out-WAR Young next year if Fowler is even close to his second half numbers.
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Young is a great defensive CF.
He gets tremendous jumps, reads off the bat.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 30, 2011 2:38 PM MST up reply actions
Yup
but I think Fowler has the tools to be better. I can’t help but to wonder if Fowler’s UZR would increase Taveras style if he were traded. I think they would, and Fowler’s bat looks better than Young’s right now. He doesn’t have the home runs but all of the doubles and triples keeps his SLG/ISO very comparable to Young, and Fowler can hit for average more than Young can.
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gotta read more carefully
thought you were referring to EY Jr.!
Dexter is probably less than Chris Young just due to slightly more sustained production and Dex was in AAA in his recent season.
CarGo is right there with Upton
Which leaves, Cuddyer vs Kuebel. Hmm lets just make this simple. Both Free Agents. One gets 3/33 Mil and the other Gets 2/15 mil. I wonder who is better?
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 30, 2011 1:39 PM MST up reply actions
Buster be trippin'
oh…wait.
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How was your trip to Denver?
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Still here....leaving tomorrow.
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Just busy busy
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Doing quite well :)
Thanks for asking Mothra :)
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The Rockies basically never make it onto an ESPN top-10 list.
So I wouldn’t read too much into this.
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With black holes at 3B and 2B?
Lmao.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 30, 2011 6:14 PM MST up reply actions
Pretty much Tulo and Helton guaranteed them a spot.
And I think he considered Blake as the 3rd baseman.
rays weren't on there either
and they’re top 5 by any standard… wouldn’t put too much weight on that
arenado: it's Rockie for future
Any chance you'll find a job here instead?
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You never know. All options are open:)
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My brother is caught in the trap of everybody getting rid of there 50 somethings to try to get cheaper.
He’s been hired three times this year to bail out companies that made gross mistakes that way only to be let go as soon as he fixed their problem.He’s getting really discouraged as he hasn’t paid off the last time he went to school to stay current.His skill set is similar to yours. I keep looking for him with you in the back of my mind.
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Yeah..it's a bit frustrating.
I’m also trying to figure out something to self-employ myself but that’s elusive. I do think the market should get better in the next year though.
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I'm working with a friend on an arbitrage program for forex trading.
He’s an aerospace engineer by trade and writes his programs accordingly. I’m just trying to make it more user friendly for those of us who don’t understand all the gobblty gook. I’m mostly telling him where to simplify and speed up the process. The program itself works if you can understand it. It just has to be simpler to pull the trigger on trades fast enough.
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I'm not holding my breath for the job market.
The Volitility I see coming on the currancy markets should be huge next year.
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Andruw Jones resigned with the Yankees for 2 mill as expected
I don’t really think he wanted to go anywhere else.
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sun rises in east,
warm and sunny in colorado in december
arenado: it's Rockie for future
More from Renck ...
@TroyRenck Rockies Not moving Fowler RT @RobbiePatterson love to see Dex come home. Any chance Rox would part with him and Wheeler for JJ & Prado
Just in case some of you are inclined to keep kicking that pooor dead horse.
lol fowler and wheeler?
how high was that guy?
arenado: it's Rockie for future
For JJ & Prado.
Soooooo, not too high.
I really do not want JJ though. I’d prefer an overpowering pitcher than a finesse guy. But I’m biased, and JJ has put up good numbers.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 30, 2011 2:39 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah, it's not a totally far-fetched proposal
We’re a bit biased as Rockies fans because Dex still has star potential, but the fact remains that he hasn’t even put together a full season of 3 WAR ball yet
Exactly.
Dex still has lots of question marks surrounding him.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 30, 2011 3:25 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
In other Rox player news, it appears Tyler Colvin will not, in fact, be a Rocky this year.
Whiskey tends to make me high, and sad songs make me cry. Pretty women break my heart almost every night. I run on beans and nicotine; I'm a real, live buckaroo. And my heart's not pure, my boots ain't clean, and I never tell the truth.
Aw man.
Kid had potential.
:(
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 30, 2011 2:40 PM MST up reply actions
Not sure what Spilly's wife thinks about offing her babydaddy?
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
Nor will Jonny Gomes or Josh Willingham, apparently...
I really don’t think MLB bothered to think about what we’re supposed to talk about for the next month and a half….
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Junction Rox on Dec 30, 2011 3:11 PM MST up reply actions
What the hell does this mean?
Anything?
54 today, 53 tomorrow is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
are you not familiar with the onion?
arenado: it's Rockie for future
nope. Looks a little ridiculous to me.
Just not in the best of moods today. LOL
50 today, 49 tomorrow is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training.
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it's a fake newspaper
arenado: it's Rockie for future
You don't know about the onion?
buhzuh? How is that possible?
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I know - that sounds like something you'd read in an Onion article...
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Junction Rox on Dec 30, 2011 4:47 PM MST up reply actions
he isn't the only one
www.literallyunbelieveable.com
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 30, 2011 5:16 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
It has layers
Avalance 2011-12 season, Mission 45 Wins.
Get well soon Juan.
by Thnikkaman on Dec 31, 2011 8:54 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
It means the Onion is still hilarious
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Junction Rox on Dec 30, 2011 3:49 PM MST up reply actions
Apparently nothing because after closer examination. I looked at the date on this and oops.
MLB Quietly Euthanizes 120 Unnecessary Players
March 9, 2011
50 today, 49 tomorrow is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
We traded for a dead man.
Good job O’Dowd.
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by Greg Stanwood on Dec 30, 2011 3:52 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
But he released sevral others?
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
A fellow proponent of Rule #1, I see.
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by Greg Stanwood on Dec 30, 2011 6:34 PM MST up reply actions
purple row is hard to navigate
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