Rockies to trade PTBNL for Kevin Slowey
by Rox Girl on Dec 6, 2011 8:55 AM MST
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The Colorado Rockies have agreed with the Minnesota Twins to trade for right hand pitcher Kevin Slowey, according to Thomas Harding. Slowey, 27, had his best season with Minnesota in 2008 when he went 12-11 and had a 3.99 ERA with a 3.96 xFIP, last season his ERA balooned to 6.67, but his peripheral statistics were solid enough to suggest that he was more of a 4.36 range pitcher according to x-FIP. It seems the Rockies are taking a buy low opportunity.
UPDATE:
Troy Renck confirms and reports that:
Rockies will acquire Slowey for player to be named so won't be completed until after Thursday's Rule V draft
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Having to wait until after the Rule 5 draft for the PTBNL implies that it's likely a player that's currently exposed to said draft
that the two sides have agreed on. That does limit it to more moderate/fringe prospects that we’d talking about.
That's all Slowey is worth these days...
He has been a quality control pitcher, but injuries and gopher balls have limited his effectiveness and innings since 2008. At this point, I look at him as a “rich man’s Aaron Cook”, though he can K more batters.
yep
Watching him the last few years he has that exasperating ability to go a handful of innings looking fairly on it and then blowing up in an inning quicker than you can say “insert expletive here.”
I guess it depends on whether he is better than who the rox currently have stuck out in the middle of the road.
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Watching him the last few years he has that exasperating ability to go a handful of innings looking fairly on it and then blowing up in an inning quicker than you can say "insert expletive here."
Sup, Jason Hammel?
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by UZ on Dec 6, 2011 11:37 PM MST up reply actions
It's a very likely possibility.
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by Greg Stanwood on Dec 6, 2011 12:20 PM MST up reply actions
Is Parker not enough? Too much?
I can’t think of another player who fits from the exposed rule 5 list.
Like I said below, I'm guessing Riordan or Emaus
Frazier is too far away from the MLB and is likely not seen as that valuable to other teams right now, in addition to having family ties that make a trade a little less likely.
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without Parker?
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I indeed did not get what that's in reference to
but at least I did get that you’re referencing something.
I forget that I'm old in PR land.
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see, I actually watched Family Ties growing up,
but you’ve just jolted back repressed memories of how much I absolutely hated that theme song. Seriously, it was one of my least favorite songs to think about as a girl. I’d scream and turn down the volume to zero whenever it started playing.
I'm sorry to have brought back such horrible memories.
It doesn’t seem much different from the rest of them. It actually has top-notch talent performing the song (Johnny Mathis and Deniece Williams). I’m not sure how it’s much worse than Growing Pains or Who’s the Boss?.
Family Ties was the #2 show for two years. It doesn’t get nearly as much play as other top sitcoms of that time. I suppose this is mostly due to the fact that the humor of the show really doesn’t work outside of the context of the 60s parents/80s kids setting.
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I never said my detest for the theme song was rational in any way...
…and I imagine I probably looked pretty insane to my parents with it.
It was one of the more cloying '80s theme songs.
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Emaus would be another name worth considering there too.
Riordan… eh. Not feeling it. But heck, I could very easily be wrong.
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by Greg Stanwood on Dec 6, 2011 1:48 PM MST up reply actions
okay
i guess. so now we have slowey, are we still considering re-signing millwood? are we still trying to get a verteran 200 ip or just as many 5th starters as possible?
Staring out the window, waiting for spring.
All of the above?
Further additions to the staff will have to take into the contract situations of the guys currently on board, but I’m pretty sure the Rockies want them regardless.
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 6, 2011 9:14 AM MST up reply actions
Trade
Slowey = Millwood, not a bad move though since it looks like we aren’t really giving up much to get him.
Slower – 8 years = > Millwood
by MileHighHawkeye on Dec 6, 2011 10:28 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Slowey, duh. Auto correct is a blessing and a curse at times
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LOL>
Slowey minus 8 years? Funny :P
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 6, 2011 11:37 AM MST up reply actions
Good bounce back candidate
Problem is what he’ll be bouncing back to is a mediocre pitcher. Not a bad deal but probably nothing to get too excited about.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 6, 2011 9:10 AM MST reply actions
I really wanted Slowey three years ago...
and his name has been mentioned more than once by Renck over the years. So, finally DOD nabs him when probably all interest in him has dried up. Truly a “buy-low” move, and if a fringe minor leaguer is all we give up, no harm is done. Just not expecting a return to 2008 form for him, unfortunately.
Does Kevin Slowey have any options remaining?
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He actually has two.
His 2011 optional assignment lasted only 19 days, meaning it didn’t get burned.
However, Slowey will hit 5 years of service time this year, which means once he’s past that, he must consent to any optional assignment.
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by Greg Stanwood on Dec 6, 2011 12:00 PM MST up reply actions
Okay, I checked, it's only a little over 4, and he'd probably be up for September anyway, which is when he'd cross 5 years of service
I like this move now, he could be in the rotation until DLR comes back, then be optioned down to the minors for depth. It’s like signing Millwood but being able to hold onto him for the entire season.
The only thing I don’t like is that he’ll cost over 2 million dollars. Eek.
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I also think this confirms that Chatwood will either be in the bullpen or in the minors
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Slowey will hit 5 years on August 5th assuimg he records service for the entire season.
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by Greg Stanwood on Dec 6, 2011 12:18 PM MST up reply actions
stat of the day
Best season K/BB by a rockies SP ever: 3.17 (hammel, 09)
Slowey career K/BB: 4.70
It’s easy to see why the rockies like him. If you don’t have phenomenal stuff, limiting walks while still punching people out is important if yourebat coors
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Brilliant observation
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 6, 2011 9:28 AM MST up reply actions
I always liked Slowey's command and upside....
Note the operative word “liked”. Even had him on my fantasy team one year. Sadly, not much to like these days….except his age.
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Love this pickup
No downside, league-average upside? More moves like this, please. You can never have enough cheap rotation depth, especially when your #2 and 3 starters are coming off serious injuries. And Slowey’s a decent pitcher… he’s just been slaughtered on BABIP in recent years. Some of that is real, I’m sure, but not all of it.
Here are my ERC projections for our starters (4.00 is league average for all pitchers, 4.10 is league average for SPs):
Chacin 3.63
De La Rosa 3.88
Nicasio 4.05
Pomeranz 4.06
Hammel 4.10
Slowey 4.38
Cabrera 4.45
Bettis 4.56
White 4.75
REPLACEMENT LEVEL 4.85
Rogers 4.98
That’s a pretty solid collection of arms. I’d still like to pick up another starter as insurance for Nicasio, but I feel a lot better about our chances of getting through the year without an Esmil Rogers start than I did a few hours ago…
Have you weighed in yet on the possible
Street for Volquez trade? I’m not sold on Edinson at all.
I have Volquez projected at 4.72
So yeah, hard to get too excited about that…. sure, he still probably has more upside than Hammel or Slowey, but that projection is ugly enough that entrusting a rotation spot to him is a huge risk. He might thrive in the bullpen, though… actually, that’s not such a bad idea. Although I’d still think Street ought to have more value than that, what with all the obscene deals relievers are getting this winter.
By comparison, what do you have...
for Cook and Francis for 2012? Both could somehow end up back with the team.
Francis 4.23, Cook 4.56
So I’d say there’s no point in bringing Cook back… but Francis is interesting. It’s worth noting that basically the only thing separating Francis from Mark Buehrle is BABIP…
RG is battling me on this in the other thread....
You may wish to chime in since I’m citing your projection re/ Volquez, vis-a-vis Francis.
we could do it here.
I don’t know how much if it really matters, though, since my argument about Volquez isn’t going to be swayed by a projection for the year based on seasons he was injured and recovering from TJ surgery.
Some players come all the way back from TJ...
some don’t. The fact that Volquez has not improved much from 2010 post-surgery is indicative of someone who does not have the upside you think he has. Getting back to pre-surgery 2008 form is a long-shot. Why don’t you at least acknowledge that, regardless of HF’s projection?
I should clarify...
as that was worded weird. His 2011 was a step back from 2010, his post-surgery year. That’s a horrible sign that he’s a fundamentally different pitcher now than in 2008…..without that upside.
I disagree with this assessment,
but I will admit that it might have caused a severe enough disruption in the development of a pitcher that still hadn’t peaked when he underwent the knife that he might never realize the upside potential I’m saying that he has. Volquez is a significant risk, but with enough Slowey’s, he has the kind of upside I don’t mind taking risks on.
This is where you lose me...
“With enough Sloweys”… I don’t get it. Depth is insurance against injuries, but there’s no insurance against awfulness. If Volquez gets thrown into the rotation and meets his NEIFI projection for a couple months before being replaced, the damage is done.
Incidentally, I’m trying to think of pitchers who regained their form after having lost it for 3 years… drawing a blank so far. I’m sure they’re out there, though, any names come to mind?
Well, Roger Clemens appeared to have lost his mojo..
in Boston, before returning to CyYoung form in Toronto. But we all know the rest of the story now.
If he shows up to camp and is his projected self, rather than his potential peak self, I expect Slowey to get into the rotation.
Of course, saying that and knowing how my favorite team actually picks its starters, I realize how ridiculous a hope this might be. At any rate, it’s not quite the same thing but one scenario I have in mind with Volquez would be to repeat a Dennis Eckersley type of path.
Eckersley
Yep… like I said earlier in the thread, if we acquired Volquez with the intention of making him a reliever, I wouldn’t complain… the upside is a lot lower in that case, sure, but so is the downside. At least we’d be removing any possibility of him torpedoing the season.
This is actually very possible
Ian Ferguson was pretty good in the Royals system until he had TJ and he never completed his development. Now he’s the pitching coach at Metro State.
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Chatwood projects at 5.23
He’s a nice arm to have in the pipeline, but nowhere close to major-league ready.
Slowy does work really well in this regard
The Rockies can start him in the rotation for the first couple of months and if he’s looked to regain his 08-10 form, he can stick – If not, JDLR will come back and take his spot.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 6, 2011 9:40 AM MST reply actions
Could there be a worse name for a pitcher?
Maybe Longballer, Walkman, or Wildson….
When I hear Slowey, I automatically picture someone throwing 81 MPH fastballs… I wonder how many people think he sucks just from hearing his name?
I like the move, especially given the apparent price.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 6, 2011 11:01 PM MST up reply actions
He said worse names not worse pitc...
never mind
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If the Rox get Volquez
i don’t see Slowey making the roster… and if he does I feel it would be mid relief. Or do the Rox have that many holes? As of now they have Chacin, JDLR (Will be ready right?), Pomeranz, White, Nicasio(If ready), Volquez?, Slowey?
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JDLR not back until June...
late May at best. And he’s not likely to be back to his old self right away either.
I can't imagine we'll see much at all outta JdlR ...
thru most of next year.
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It's a depth move
This is meant to fortify the rotation incase serious injuries and problems plague us again.
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if I'm Greg Reynolds
I’m calling DOD, begging for him to make me the ptbnl in the Slowey deal. He’s been passed on the depth chart by like 8 guys since he last started a game
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 6, 2011 11:41 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
ironically, he'd pass about 8 people on the twins depth chart
probably be their opening day starter
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He would qualify as an exposed to the Rule 5 draft pitcher.
I actually think Muzia’s wrong and it’s going to be a higher level player like that.
that'd be intriguing
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 6, 2011 11:55 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Only downside is that Reynolds only has one year before he can declaire MiLB FA.
Then again, we’ve seen Jonnathan Aristil and Chris Malone, players who were on just one year MiLB deals at the time, traded in recent times. It might not be a factor at all.
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by Greg Stanwood on Dec 6, 2011 12:05 PM MST up reply actions
My suspicion is that it might actually be Riordan.
But there are a couple of position players, notably Emaus that it might turn out to be.
Riordan would be a pretty solid candidate
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How many homers would Slowey give up at Coors?
Looks like the type of fly ball pitcher that won’t even be a viable 5th starter at Coors (Career 47.9% FB). He gave up a lot of homers at Target field (10 HRs in only 59.1 innings in 2011). Hard to see him not giving up 2 HRs per start here.
Depends on the weather
You know, which way the wind is blowing or if it’s cold or rainy. I don’t think he will be that bad.
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agreed
a serious concern
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If he gives up solo shots, you can live with that. His 1.4 BB per game will help.
If he gives up crooked number shots, he’s toast. His 10.2 hits/game worry me there.
It’s hard to get excited here, but , really, who knows?
Exactly
Not saying Slowey will do well here – he may or he may not. But the Rockies need guys who throw strikes and challenge hitters. And when they make a mistake that ends up in the seats, maximize the chance that it’s a solo shot.
Not a starter, obviously, but that’s what Betancourt does and he’s having a successful run in Colorado. At times he seems like a HR machine, but you look up at the end of the year and he’s among the top relievers in the league. We need some of that same philosophy from the starting staff, instead of looking for frightened nibblers who have high ground ball rates.
by Northsider1964 on Dec 6, 2011 1:47 PM MST up reply actions
Even if he has an option remaining, I'm just confused as to why we're paying 2 million for a pitcher who's depth
I really don’t see Slowey sticking around once DLR comes back, if that.
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ew, do not want
i mean, at least he’s not pavano, but still, do not want
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already got him. Not much that can be done now
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I am pretty pro this move.
Applause to the FO for sorting it out.
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doesn't mean i can't not want
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I suppose the Rule 5-vulnerable compensation piece could get yoinked by another team.
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Great...
another player the Rockeis are hoping to have a reuerrection season under..
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 6, 2011 12:35 PM MST up reply actions
I totally initially read this as actual pirates in on Francis and Cook (like, the Ahoy, mateys kind).
I blame the Mike Leach tweets on my timeline.
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Anyone else consider
that we may be stockpiling young, potential filled arms in the attempt to use them to land an established big-league pos. player?
Like, for example, the fact that all of the arms we’ve acquired are better than 4/5 of NYM’s starters?
I know it’s a pipe dream, but David Wright, anyone?
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Won't be Wright...
but you may be onto something. It’s a crazy time of year.
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Well
if Rox Girl doesn’t even hope it to be true, you know it’s WAY too far-fetched
by Purple Row Troll on Dec 6, 2011 2:54 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah, sorry for not feeding this one.
The Rockies pitching depth will probably have to be pared at some point if everybody starts working out as well as us Purple tinted optimists hope, but reality says that won’t happen. If and when it does, we’ll start talking trade scenarios, but that won’t come until late Spring.
Eh, it's ok
I could see them moving 1/2 of the Ubaldo haul (sorry, Joe Gardner) along with some of this depth for someone big- question is, who? I mean, it’s not going to be with the Braves. I really don’t know.
by Purple Row Troll on Dec 6, 2011 3:04 PM MST up reply actions
Anytime the Marlins are offering Albert Pujols $200 million is a crazy time.
I’m not discounting anything.
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
A lot is two words. Allot can be one word but it has another meaning.
The only time you really want to use "myself" is when you are the recipient of your own action. Usually you're better off using "me."
Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
It's anyway, not anyways.
But if you only remember one thing...
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
That it's the Marlins is a little crazy,
that it’s Pujols is not. The market is still working on supply and demand, and teams only have so much of the latter for 4th/5th starters. Not enough to trade anything good for them, no matter how many the Rockies collect.
Send a couple of them to SD for Headley.
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 6, 2011 3:19 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
To block Arenado's spot?
Or are you suggesting we move Arenado to 1b? I don’t see a need for Wright.
I'm just not sold
on throwing the coronation party for Arenado as the next Helton here in the middle of December…
by Purple Row Troll on Dec 6, 2011 2:53 PM MST up reply actions
Fair enough
But management seems convinced.
Question on the rule V draft rule:
Could the Rockies immediately trade a player that they selected in the rule V draft?
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 6, 2011 3:16 PM MST via mobile reply actions
Rule 5. No Roman numeral. I know Renck used it in his tweet, but that drives purists crazy.
Of which I’ve apparently become one.
The answer is yes, it happens frequently, but the Rockies don’t really do the Rule 5 anymore.
Does that have any effect with the rule about the player remaining on the team's 25 man?
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 6, 2011 3:25 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
for the team that acquires the Rule 5 pick it does,
these trades are usually made solely for money to the trading team, by the way.
Um.
harding_at_mlb Thomas Harding
Tracy on Kevin Slowey: “He’s a consistent strike-thrower. He does not beat himself.”
No, everyone else just beats him
74 today and 73 tomorrow is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
Oddly, they don't
At least until last season. Dude entered 2011 with a lifetime record of 39-21.
2011 Whiff job.
He’s like Ian Stewart.. completely forgot how to succeed in the Bigs for an entire season.
So
When the Rockies get the PTNL from Philly they’re sending him to Minnesota? Why don’t we let them work out the rest of the trade themselves. No need for a middle man at this point.
"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK
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