Wednesday Overflow Thread
by Andrew Martin on Dec 7, 2011 2:44 PM MST
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It sure sounds like we're walking out of the Meetings with another starter
Niese/Volquez level.
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Pretty interesting notes from Renck
Was told that Rockies’ were just as close to sending Street to Reds for Volquez. That created the pause before Padres’ deal went down
Also told that Rockies still talking to Reds about Volquez…. But deal would have to be restructured. But not dead yet.
dang sorry, i had pressed post before i saw yours
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 7, 2011 2:48 PM MST up reply actions
haha no worries
It’s Hot Stove season after all
But deal would have to be restructured.
I don’t see why we can’t just trade Street a second time. :D
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by Greg Stanwood on Dec 7, 2011 2:49 PM MST up reply actions
I think this overflow suggests that as a collective
we are, in fact, irrationally exuberant Rockies fans.
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Or are just exuberantly rational
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Was told that Rockies’ were just as close to sending Street to Reds for Volquez. That created the pause before Padres’ deal went down
Was told that Rockies’ were just as close to sending Street to Reds for Volquez. That created the pause before Padres’ deal went down
Reds weren’t ready to make the deal, apparently RT @nickstratton: Isn’t Street for Volquez way preferable to PTBN?
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 7, 2011 2:49 PM MST up reply actions
Well, it does say that the Reds are likely the ones that backed off.
Doesn’t sound like the Rockies just had their pick of the two.
Yeah, but it set expectations.
Before hearing about Volquez, I’d have been more content with the salary dump.
I thought the "not ready to make deal" was interesting
gave me the impression that the Rockies chose between the two deals based on timing and the Dads being ready to move now, even though the return from Cincy was better with Volquez. Makes me wonder if they don’t have something imminent on the burner that made them need to get Street moved today.
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It does seem like they're acting with some haste here.
I also wonder what it is that’s going on. The Stewart/Colvin trade would be another example if it goes down.
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Buerhle to #Marlins: 4 yrs, $58M. #MLB
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Wow we are in sync...
you beat me this time though
I like the AAV, I don't like the length
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still pretty shocking that Buerhle is the first big starter to sign
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I think he can pitch at that level for a while though
he is only 31/32? And isn’t a flamethrower and has great mechanics.
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 7, 2011 2:53 PM MST up reply actions
My thoughts exactly
Buehrle’s the model of consistency
Is he a nontender candidate? Thought I saw that somewhere. If so definitely down
by Adam2011 on Dec 7, 2011 3:24 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
The Marlins worry me this much l---------l more...
I think this is probably the best move they’ve successfully made thus far.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
I'd be worried if I was in the NL East
Stanton will be a year older, and they’ve added some quality players, and I don’t think they are done yet.
We can question the moves long term for sure, but for the next 3 years they are dangerous
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
The problem...
is I’m not exactly sure how much the Reyes moves helped them. If Hanley moves without issue, they’re probably much better off, but I don’t know if that’s how it’s going to play out.
If he isn’t happy, it could affect his play or necessitate a trade. The trade wouldn’t net full value because of the nature of his displeasure. It mitigates the value received a bit, and when you add in Reyes’ injury history, the whole thing could potentially become a lateral move or a complete failure in a worst case scenario.
Of course, I’ve always viewed the Marlins as a dysfunctional organization, so maybe it’s my belief that no matter how many good moves they make, they’ll find a way to screw it up. How quickly I forget their two World Series titles, in that vein.
On the other hand, it’s a lot of money, it may not work attendance-wise, and they have no farm system to speak of at this point. They are putting a lot of eggs in this basket.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
This is where I think you're setting yourself up for disappointment:
when you add in Reyes’ injury history, the whole thing could potentially become a lateral move or a complete failure in a worst case scenario.
Any team’s worst case scenario is a disaster/failure. The most likely scenario for the Marlins even in a HanRam trade scenario is that they improve their team by at least a win or two from where it was in 2011.
Don't disagree...
Although I’d contend that the Marlins would be an odds-on favorite to botch things somehow that leads to the worst-case scenario…it’s not like they were shy about their interest in Reyes. Hanley knew the entire time, they had to know he wasn’t happy, and they just kept pushing ahead with the plan.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
We really have no idea about this. It’s just rumor. He could have agreed to move weeks ago.
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Soooo.... I didn't see this discussed.
What are the chances that the Padres flip Street at the deadline?
I’m going to give it 60%.
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Much, much, much higher
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I think they would like it to be higher,
but I’m not sure if people will take his Petco rehab assignment as valuable. It might be enough to get him to be a Type A though, right? Or am I wrong at that?
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no Type A anymore, remember?
Padres would have to offer him $12mil and have someone else sign him in order to get another first round pick
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So, they have to flip him.
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On that topic...did anyone see this tweet from Olney?
Source: Francisco Rodriguez seemed to have made progress on a multi-year deal with the Padres, but it fell apart.
Makes absolutely no sense to me…
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BREAKING: MARLINS AGREE TO TERMS WITH FANNIE MAE AND FREDDIE MAC.
My God, that’s brilliant.
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by Greg Stanwood on Dec 7, 2011 3:01 PM MST up reply actions
and Freddie Mac is probably the only utility infielder
the Dodgers haven’t signed
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Cody Ross
from MLBTR:
•Baggarly also tweets “the Ross camp has had eyes on Colorado for a long time.” ESPN’s Jayson Stark (Twitter link) reports the Rockies could pursue Ross or Michael Cuddyer with the money the team saved from the Huston Street trade.
•The Rockies have an interest in Ross, reports Troy Renck of the Denver Post, but as a “complementary player” and not on a three-year contract. Renck notes the Rockies are still discussing an Edinson Volquez trade with the Reds, with Cincinnati showing some interest in Seth Smith. If Smith is dealt, it could conceivably open room for the Rockies to acquire both Cuddyer and Ross, with Ross playing the outfield on the days Cuddyer starts at second or third.
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Cuddyer starts at second
Cuddyer has 19 games at 2B since 2005
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oh god they want Cuddyer to be Ty Wigginton
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At double the price and for more years. As long as he doesn’t perform like Wiggington…
by Adam2011 on Dec 7, 2011 3:28 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I could see this. Ross just can’t come by himself. I wonder if this leaves Blackmon more likely to go in a trade than Wheeler.
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C: Hernandez/Rosario
1B: Helton/Giambi
2B: ???
SS: Tulo
3B: Stewart
CI: Pacheco
MI: Herrera
LF: Cuddyer
CF: Fowler
RF: Cargo
OF: Ross
We’d still need Prado. Send me a Prado. Send me a Prado. Right now. Right nooooooow.
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I wonder what we do with EY2 and Nelson in those scenarios
They are out of options
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There's a possibility that Nelson is the MI.
EY2 is done.
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I hope he's not.
Because I love the guy
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 7, 2011 3:19 PM MST up reply actions
I just don't see any scenario for him.
Unless he can beat Nelson/Herrera/Field out for the MI spot in ST. That’s a tough task for a guy who hasn’t played SS and isn’t all that good at 2B. Possible, but unlikely.
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We all knew that we were going to need to carry twelve pitchers.
This offseason seems to be only underscoring that. Even if we don’t trade Smith, it seems like Pacheco is solid as a utility guy. With Giambi and a backup C, and Blackmon et al., there’s no room for EY2 except that MI spot.
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I'm well aware of the roster setup.
and who fits where. I just don’t want EY gone, for irrational reasons. One of my favorite Rockies.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 7, 2011 3:31 PM MST up reply actions
We don't need both even if Smith is traded
Though if we still have Wheeler, and Cuddyer moves to first, Ross would make sense in a platoon, but that’s 2013 thinking right there.
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•Baggarly also tweets "the Ross camp has had eyes on Colorado for a long time."
I would think so. It seems like it would be difficult to repeatedly kill somebody without looking at them….
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I know 99% of you hate the Denver Post's pieces about the Rockies...
But I completely identify with how Woody Paige feels in today’s article; even more so after today.
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by jasontheuncatchable on Dec 7, 2011 3:46 PM MST reply actions
Paige is an idiot
for one, his headline…. we didn’t sign slowly, we traded for him. If he can’t even get that small detail right, then he should stick to football.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
If that semantic is going to be the crux of your argument...
…I hope you voted that you are an irrationally exuberant fan.
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by jasontheuncatchable on Dec 7, 2011 3:56 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
That Semantic goes to show that he doesn't bother to pay attention at all...
its more then just some minor detail.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
Actually, after reviewing the article, blame the editor or headline writer.
The Rockies rocked the baseball world Tuesday by pulling off the first major trade of the winter meetings.
Dan O’Dowd is dealin’ again. The stove is hot.
The Rox acquired a starting pitcher with an 0-8 record last season in exchange for a slugger — no, I meant slug — to be named sometime.
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by jasontheuncatchable on Dec 7, 2011 4:01 PM MST up reply actions
It's actually kind of funny.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 7, 2011 4:04 PM MST up reply actions
And sorry, homey, not everyone lives with fangraphs plugged into their smartphone homepage.
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by jasontheuncatchable on Dec 7, 2011 4:02 PM MST up reply actions
Believe it or not, there is room in the discussion for the casual baseball fan.
And in my case, given the amount of sheer cash I fork over to the team (and grateful that there is indeed baseball to fork it over to), there’s room in the discussion for agreeing with GASP the local writer. Don’t get me wrong, I love Purple Row and SB Nation in general, but the amount of geek elite-ism that one has to deal with around here is ridiculous. And this is coming from someone who has a Bill James book permanently affixed in his bathroom.
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by jasontheuncatchable on Dec 7, 2011 4:06 PM MST up reply actions
The amount of sheer cash you, me, and the rest of Rockies fandom fork over is on average, less than
the amount of sheer cash that the average fan of 20 other teams forks over. So it should be no surprise to any of us that they’re getting first dibs.
I don't need first dibs per se...
but I find inherent dishonesty in attempting to market this team as competitive if that is not the obvious intent when putting the product on the field. Look how much slack the Royals, they of baseball hell, are getting from their fans because of the accountability of their front office in the last few years by admitting the rebuilding process.
On that note, in business and life, transparency and accountability are two entirely separate things. The Rockies organization may exhibit transparency now and then, but they certainly seem to lack accountability. For a while this seemed to be just the case with the front office and their media relations. Now it also seems it’s leaking onto the field.
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by jasontheuncatchable on Dec 7, 2011 4:13 PM MST up reply actions
I could probably do without all the raggin on the DP like they are some “special” writers club and rather not even talk about it. Their job is to do one thing, sell papers. The quicker that we all realize that the better. We don’t have to rag on them like we are better or vice versa.
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 6:45 AM MST up reply actions
Aberle really needs to do a Purple Row Academy post about maintaining the blog's pithy moral superiority to all other media
Because apparently some readers, not mentioning any names here, haven’t absorbed this lesson yet.
I don't think this site is particularly unfriendly toward the average fan.
But judging pitchers by a silly measurement and complaining incessantly about the team’s lack of “big moves” is never going to be something that is commonplace on Purple Row. Most people here don’t hate all the local writers out of some sense of elitism, but they have invested enough time and energy into the Rockies to know that Paige’s rants have very little to do with the reality of the organization.
and complaining incessantly about the team’s lack of "big moves" is never going to be something that is commonplace on Purple Row.
I’m sorry. Apparently I’ve wandered into the wrong site…
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by Junction Rox on Dec 7, 2011 4:18 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm lodging a complaint
because there really hasn’t been enough complaining lately. Far too much hivemindedness.
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I would respond to this accusation of “geek elitism”, but I have to go check a couple player ratings on the OOTP website first.
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by Muzia on Dec 7, 2011 4:23 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I would respond to this accusation of "geek elitism", but I have to go check a couple Rookie League player ratings on the OOTP website first.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 7, 2011 4:25 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
My customized projection system rates me as ‘totally cool’. My mom agrees. Excelsior!!
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by Resolution on Dec 7, 2011 4:28 PM MST up reply actions 3 recs
Rec'd.
Funny.
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And Chacin is in the mix for the 5th spot in the rotation?
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Trying to give a grade at this point seems pretty pointless.
It’s clear that more is in mind for O’Dowd, the grade should be on whether it gets done and whether it was worth it at that point.
Problem is, it's Dec. 7
He’s being critical of not making moves when none of the FAs the Rox are looking at to fill holes have been signed.
He also uses pitcher wins to prove his points, which is a sure fire way to make more informed baseball fans cringe. The only time he uses a different stat is to prove his point in that Esmil Rogers is bad.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 7, 2011 3:56 PM MST up reply actions
Not keeping score at home...
But many of the the players we’ve been interested in accusing are either no-gos or linked the rumor mill (and yes, it is the rumor mill) to places other than Colorado.
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by jasontheuncatchable on Dec 7, 2011 3:58 PM MST up reply actions
*acquiring
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by jasontheuncatchable on Dec 7, 2011 3:59 PM MST up reply actions
Most of these players we talk about in the rumors will basically have forgettable seasons anyways. I love the hot stove but I’m realistic. The best moves are the moves you don’t make.
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I agree with your last statement.
I would also use it in my argument as to why today is so frustrating. Did I want Street closing? No. But he certainly had value as a member of the bullpen. It’s hard to see his projected production being duplicated.
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by jasontheuncatchable on Dec 7, 2011 4:17 PM MST up reply actions
If he's not closing, it seems to me like there are better uses for how much money he would cost.
It is not hard to find good relief pitchers at a reasonable price.
always be closing
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by Resolution on Dec 7, 2011 4:22 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
And also, pish posh on the wins stat.
He uses that for the same reason that Sportscenter still talks about wins and Baseball Tonight and MLB talk about more advanced statistics. You write for the intended audience.
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by jasontheuncatchable on Dec 7, 2011 4:15 PM MST up reply actions
Niese, since many here seemed interested...
#mets taking to 3 or 4 teams about niese. Hoping to get multiple pieces back in return. Maybe a catcher, infielder and prospects
So, Rosario, Nelson and prospects, maybe a Bettis? Seems like that this isn’t so much a discount on Gio after all.
I'm not including Rosario and Bettis for Niese
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 7, 2011 4:06 PM MST up reply actions
If their price is Rosario and Bettis, nobody....
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this
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 7, 2011 4:23 PM MST up reply actions
Solution: Pacheco
A catcher, infielder, and prospect, all in one!
by steakman on Dec 7, 2011 4:37 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
winner!
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There you go
Call up the Mets and let’s get it done
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I am for Niese
I would have been okay with trading Rosario but only if we still had Iannetta.
Now, I don’t we’re a fit. I was hoping we could fill a hole by trading from a period where we had some depth. Now it seems by filling one hole we’d be opening another.
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Not after the Street trade...
we’re in business. Woody Paige will be happy.
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Angels?
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 7, 2011 4:24 PM MST up reply actions
Angels/Cubs/Cards
Guess.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 7, 2011 4:26 PM MST up reply actions
he's going back to STL
no doubt.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 7, 2011 4:26 PM MST up reply actions
The first two words of that Tweet:
“Pujols camp” seem to indicate the sourcing on this. Even without the Deadspin article, it’s pretty well known that Dan Lozano is not the most trustworthy source, particularly when he has stakes in the game.
Off-topic
While attempting to REC certain comments, I notice it’s talking a long time to load and/or showing as flagged? Is something broke?
Oh, now be honest, NL West rivals, warriors to warriors. You do prefer it this way, don't you, as it was meant to be? No peace in our time. "Once more unto the breach, dear friends."
by jasontheuncatchable on Dec 7, 2011 4:27 PM MST reply actions
It's called fleccing
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Okay. Who was the dumb-dumb that fell in the fountain in the lobby of the hotel?
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 7, 2011 4:31 PM MST reply actions
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 7, 2011 4:35 PM MST up reply actions
OT: Ugh.
Manager just sent out notice of scary, important department meeting tomorrow morning. And making it will involve getting up probably 1-1/2 hours earlier than normal. So not only do II have to stress about the actual meeting, I have to stress about remembering to get up on time in order to make it.
just get drunk
you’ll be all set.
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by Resolution on Dec 7, 2011 4:34 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
just stay up all night and then you dont have to worry about not waking up
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I get so worried about not waking up that I don’t really sleep. So I’ve just stopped bothering to sleep that night
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If it's something super critical
my subconscious will be a bit more alert when I’m trying to wake up than it is on normal days. But early work meetings haven’t really seemed to fall into that category.
WHY CANT I REC THIS
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"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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I rec'd on your behalf
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Or rather I flec'd
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thank you
I’m forever indebted to you.
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Do you do any development, or do you primarily edit?
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Usually development is all done before it gets to production.
But sometimes we’re involved before that, though maybe just answering questions.
Oh. I thought you worked in Editorial.
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Yep. It’s tough sledding in our business right now. Our company is having similar issues.
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Can you just conference call in?
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Yeah, there is a call-in number for offsite people.
I’ll probably bring that with me in case my good intentions fall short and I have to call in from the train.
Well there you go. Hopefully it's a good meeting anyway :/
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Well, it's bad news for someone at some point.
Though no idea if it will affect my department (should know in the meeting, of course).
Dave O'Brien from the Braves:
When I asked if any player became available today that #Braves like whom they didn’t know would be available, Wren said yes, one did….
This is interesting just because of the sudden news that we were in on Jurrjens. O’Brien speculates it might be Cody Ross, but as a FA, he wouldn’t make much sense to me. I wonder if the player Wren’s referring to is on the Rockies.
Fowler?
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My thought as well
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What's the Ross for Fowler trade off?
Certain decrease in OBP.
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My thought as well
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Seems like you had two thoughts
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I call that a good day....
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I'd settle for one good thought a day....
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That's a good thought...
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Didn’t even have to use my AK.
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I would be sad.
Maybe Rockies budged on Wheeler? Though don’t know if he would have been considered unavailable.
I think the Braves want help now.
I’m not sure how much they want Wheeler really. Fowler was the big target if you believe some of this stuff.
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no, don't you do it, Dan.
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 7, 2011 4:46 PM MST up reply actions
Tyler.Anderson
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I think someone msg’ed him saying Ross, but that doesn’t make any sense since he’s a FA. Think DOB was just saying feel free to speculate, Wren’s not saying…which is Wren’s MO anyway.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
we’ll have to ask Freddi then.
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Lulz...
We should probably ask Bowden, since he’s attributing things Fredi didn’t really even say to him.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
I'm trying to figure out
why one of our players would have become available today. All we’ve done is sign Slowey and trade Street? Seems like we’ve freed up some money, so no sudden payroll considerations to make us move somebody… and no significant acquisitions to make somebody available, especially since the Braves want position players by all accounts. Unless the freed up money has let us get in on a FA bat not anticipated before (no, we are not team #3 in the Pujols derby…), I’m not figuring out where that is a fit for us.
Of course, there hasn’t really been any serious position player moves today, so somebody somewhere became available for no obvious reason.
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The two changes in the Braves rumor pool today were with the Rockies and Yankees on Jurrjens
I’m actually guessing it’s probably the Yankees suddenly being able to trade Nunez with the win of the Nishikawa bid, but a sweetener from the Rockies isn’t out of the question.
This would make sense as Colvin wasn't going to be enough.
The Cubs must not be willing to add anything.
In my mind, the Ewoks would be the ball
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who knew ewoks already played baseball?
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 7, 2011 4:50 PM MST up reply actions
Thanks for proving my point
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Yes but what about Ian Stewart with the Rockies...?
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traded to Newark for a PTBNL last week...
We missed it on the transaction log because in all this talk about Iaan Stewart of the Eockies, we just thought they were typos.
Good. Think of all the future pig-slopping jokes that would otherwise go unposted.
The off-season sucks.
That is all.
Chicago. Hog butcher to the world.
If Iaan can’t learn to slop hogs there, it’s hopeless….
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Danny Knobler confirms the expected:
Player to be named in Huston Street deal will go to Rockies Friday, so they don’t need to protect him in Rule 5 draft
Please be Galvez.
Would we all laugh if it turned out to be Brad Hawpe?
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No.
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It was really a rhetorical question
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Just covering my bases.
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(yes I know he's not a prospect)
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He would be if the idea was that the Rockies would attempt to convert him into a pitcher.
You know, for depth.
Just a small town kid who thinks Coors Field on a sunny summer Saturday night is the best place to be on this or any other plane of existence. When a late-inning Todd Helton go-ahead homerun is added to this scenario, my brain melts.
Well, maybe not a baseball prospect
but I seem to remember some considered him a prospect for other things…
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I'd have that experience where tears come out my eyes and I bash my head against a table
screaming out “WHY?! WHY?! WHY?!”
If that’s what you mean by laugh, then yeah, I’d laugh.
by Rox Girl on Dec 7, 2011 4:55 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
Heh. Even I would bang my head on the table...
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not a top 30 prospect
It’s probably on the level of Anthony Jackson.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 7, 2011 5:00 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Not a top 30 prospect and exposed to the Rule 5 draft...
That should limit the choices, shouldn’t it? Nick Schmidt still seems to fit. Matt Clark probably does too.
Clark is more prefereable to me than Schmidt...
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I'd see that.
I just found a pitcher I’d like more than either, Alexis Lara.
There we’re talking mid-90’s heat out of the pen. Some wildness, but plenty of potential. I knew they had to have a gun like that among their available minor league relievers. There might be a couple more like that in their system, there usually are in most. We’ll see what we get, just as long as if it’s somebody like Lara, we don’t give up on him like we did with Al Alburqerque again.
not a top 30 prospect
It’s probably on the level of Anthony Jackson.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 7, 2011 5:04 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
so
how bout them marlins
they get all the big fish
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 7, 2011 5:39 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Luckily I hit preview and avoided posting PRMLB tweet here.
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Marty Caswell, Padres reporter:
Huston says he had a bunch of friends on the Padres…then upon listing them realized most of them are no longer on the team.
That makes me kind of sad, actually, but I have to admit it’s a humorous picture in that Ziggy comic strip sort of way.
Reminded me of this.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
That would give them a rotation of
Johnson, Wilson, Buehrle, Sanchez and Nolasco, with Wade LeBlanc, Chris Volstad and Brad Hand waiting in the wings.
Baggarly
Giants are maxed out on payroll, Sabean said. Have to choose between tendering Keppinger or Fontenot. It’s one or the other.
I like Grant's tweet response to this, btw:
SOPHIE’S CHOICE!!!!
by Rox Girl on Dec 7, 2011 5:54 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I faced a similar choice today
trying to figure out which variety of Lunchable to bring to work…
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You weren't the one staring at the ham and cheese and the turkey this morning....
not knowing if you’d be around to eat the other one tomorrow. Life is short, nothing should be taken for granted.
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Dan Plesac just said Braun & Fielder are "light years" better than any other L-R, 3-4 combo
Um, Dan…
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by free7694 on Dec 7, 2011 5:56 PM MST reply actions 4 recs
Who?
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
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Former pitcher, current MLB Network talking head
Jason Giambi for player-manager in 2012!
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I meant Tulo and Cargo
I know who Dan Plesac is
/has MLB Network
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
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Oh, a couple of scrap heap guys
With inflated stats because they play on the moon
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there ya go
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i think they're outfielders
but they play in coorz, so their stats arent real
by papality on Dec 7, 2011 6:13 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Ding Ding Ding!
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Obviously not knocking the locals but one those Brewers was this years MVP and another was in the debate for MVP.
I don’t think think either Tulo or Cargo were slighted there.
My quarrel was with the term "light years"
Braun and Fielder may be better, but they are certainly not “light years” better than CarGo and Tulo.
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Especially since Cargo and Tulo put up slightly better numbers at the plate than Fielder and Braun in 2010
In 2011 the statement is closer to being accurate, but if you expand the sample more than that then it’s trash.
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 8, 2011 7:48 AM MST up reply actions
TrippingOlney
THE MARLINS HAVE ALSO AGREED TO TERMS WITH CLIFF LEE AND ADRIAN BELTRE, RETROACTIVE TO LAST DECEMBER
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JFK
Jackie,
I hate to say it, but those spending their lives sitting in the grandstand, did end up paying your salary.
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Morosi says that the Pirates have kept in touch with the Rockies on Stewart.
Apparently not enough touching to make for O’Dowd see him moving elsewhere, though.
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Stewart for Alvarez
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Stewart for Alvarez McCutcheon
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Daniel McCutchen?
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Dangit, you spelled Andrew wrong...
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Andrew McCutchen isn't a pitcher
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I am willing to overlook that
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Dangit, spelled McCutchen wrong
I always do that…
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or we keep stewart
and do away with the middleman
per Sherman, for what it's worth
To move Niese #Mets want placeholder starter like #Rockies Jason Hammel besides main prospect piece to help survive ’12 season
Do we still have one of those?
Yes. Yes, we do.
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Isn't Niese for Hammel kind of just potato/pahtato
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From a pure performance standpoint, kind of, for the next couple of years
But Niese is like 4 years younger and we’d have team control for 2 more years. Also, Niese has a more room for growth going forward
I kind of agree with SDCat on this one.
I like Niese a little better, and obviously the team control aspect is bit more appealing with him, but I don’t think he has “room for growth.” The Mets obviously don’t, either, or I doubt they’d be so keen to give him up right now.
I know it can be foolish to cite age
But I can’t see Niese peaking in his age 24 season — he showed marked improvement in his peripherals and with advanced metrics from his rookie season. His hittability is pretty concerning for sure, but some of that can be attributed to a sketchy defense behind him.
I agree -- I didn't say I'd give up an Arenado or Pomeranz in such a deal, if that's what's being asked for
Just wanted to clarify where the appeal was. I’d still rather invest a “main prospect piece” in plugging the hole at 2B.
His BABIP's have never been that good in the minor league's,
His strand rate was higher, his HR rate lower. It seems you’re attributing the bad things to luck and the good things to “improved peripherals” when it could just as easily be the reverse. He remains a sub-90 MPH RHP, and there usually is only a limited ceiling for that. I really don’t know think there’s anything higher to look forward to than what he did in 2011, except for the chance that he can do it over more innings than the 157 he pitched.
I think he’s a fine pitcher, and I think Hammel plus a prospect makes sense as a trade for him, if it’s not an Arenado/Rosario/Pomeranz level of prospect, but I really would caution against arguing that there’s further upside with him. It’s possible, but not at all likely.
Well, that shoots down my entire world view.
Yikes, too many significant mistakes by me tonight. It’s staring there right at me on his FanGraphs page, too.
Still, the price I’d give up is about the same, but that does raise the ceiling for a sub-90 mph hurler like him.
About to point that out
But I can defer to your thinking on this. You know a lot more about prospects around baseball than I do — I just look at numbers.
One more thing, actually…I remember reading that Niese was developing a cutter when he was near promotion to the Mets. One factor that led me to suggest unluckiness was from reading this article
It struck me as quite impressive that he had developed the 7th-best cutter in the majors (referenced in the post) after only working on it for two years. Your thoughts on this RG?
I've decided that I'm clearly not on top of my game tonight if I can't get his handedness correct
and again, I like him, but I just have an issue with seeing too much growth opportunity with pitchers, even if they are good while young. Their value is in that they are so good while young and because of this, there are several more years of peak type performance during their careers. Mark Buehrle’s the perfect example of this, he had a 4.1 WAR season as a 21 year old in 2001, and never really got much better, just luckier or unluckier as his career went along.
Adding the cutter does help Niese’s value, but I really wouldn’t expect it to add to the ceiling that we saw in 2011. He’s not going to refine it further or is not likely to start getting even more outs with it than he already is.
Mets don’t intend to contend until at leas 2014 (their words), their goal for trading Niese has nothing to do with them thinking he has no more upside and more to do with bringing in young talent to a team that has very little.
Also wanted to add
I wouldn’t trade a top prospect for him either. If we still had Iannetta I’d be open to Rosario but that ship has obviously sailed.
You're falling into the same "upside" trap with young pitchers.
If they did think he had more upside than his already solid 2011, they would hope to sign him to an extension at some point before his cost control seasons were up as a stable veteran or what have you. Instead, this is a sell high on their part to feed that 2014 window they hope to build.
Again, though, I do like him, I just have no belief that there’s much more to him than what he already is, unless he gains the endurance to do the same thing over more innings. This last part is very possible, but the heart issue throws it a bit in doubt.
Niese is what he is
I don’t think he’s going become anything that he already isn’t but I do think he has the ability to settle in and become a better version of what he is. I don’t know much about his heart condition and that could be an issue, but I like him.
I don’t see a fit with the Rockies at his point so this is all a moot point.
Actually, I think Hammel is better
But he’s probably better suited as a reliever. Given his excellent K/BB rate (usually), knockout stuff (often), and tendency to fade in the middle innings, I actually think he’s a candidate to pull an Eckersley and become a A+ short reliever.
by BostonTransplant on Dec 7, 2011 8:31 PM MST up reply actions
YES GET RID OF HAMMEL!
A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves
by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 6:49 AM MST up reply actions
Nick Piecoro, D-backs
Towers: “This is probably an opportune time to hopefully stay on top if we make the right moves … even if it means giving up prospects.”
With the Giants and Dodgers stagnating, clearly they see an opening in the division in AZ.
more:
He wouldn’t address specific trade ideas, but sure sounds like he’d be willing to part with a Parker or a Skaggs if it means Gio or Cahill.
It may be just me ...
but I really do think the D’backs 2011 was flukey. They do have some young talent, but I’d bet a fair amount of money that their 2012 is not going to look anything like their 2011.
by BostonTransplant on Dec 7, 2011 8:28 PM MST up reply actions
My guess where the payroll savings are going:
Kuroda.
They just didn’t want to announce it on Pearl Harbor Day.
by maris61 on Dec 7, 2011 6:45 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
too soon
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agree
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
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I was joking
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
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Really dude?
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
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Was it over when we talked about the Germans bombing Pearl Harbor?
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Junction Rox on Dec 7, 2011 10:19 PM MST up reply actions
Kuroda wants LA or Japan
literally he will go to Japan if he can’t play in LA. He already has come out and said it. Denver is not LA….Thank God
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 6:50 AM MST up reply actions
9/6/2011: Assistant GM John Ricco said on Monday that Niese (intercostal muscle strain on side) still experiences a twinge when he sneezes, so he is not close to returning, ESPN New York.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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You spelled Mat Latos wrong
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
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Beltran would be a fine addition at the right price.
An even better addition at a bargain price. I’m worried that there’s a sour relationship between Boras and the Rockies from the Cargo deal that might prevent it from happening.
But
if Giambi and Tulo ask him he’s almost guaranteed to come right?
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JFK
If the market is thin due to injury concerns, we're probably not in on him
I remember wanting to practically beg the Rockies to sign Sheets after the year he started for the All Star team, and nothing happened. He winded up making 20 starts for the A’s before disappearing from baseball due to injuries.
I realize he’s 35, but even if it were a 3 year deal and his medicals checked out teams would be jumping on him. .900 OPS bats don’t grow on trees, so there’s obviously a gigantic red flag in Beltran that we don’t know about.
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We're definitely not in on Beltran,
I just want to make sure that’s perfectly clear to everybody, the Rockies are not at all in on Beltran.
I still think it would be a good idea to at least keep the option open, but they don’t.
Yes, this is undoubtedly correct
If we sign a big bat this off season, it will be Cuddyer, I’m very confident of that (not confident of us signing Cuddyer, but … you know what I mean)
by BostonTransplant on Dec 7, 2011 8:26 PM MST up reply actions
I'd love a Beltran.
Love love love
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Dec 7, 2011 11:35 PM MST up reply actions
But I bet we don't like him @ 3 years
BECAUSE WE DON"T LIKE ANYBODY AT 3 YEARS
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 6:51 AM MST up reply actions
Niese gives me the heebies
dude is 24 and got pulled from a start this year with a heart condition that they weren’t able to diagnose. Why are the Mets selling?
This is the other big question.
Again, as long it’s not a top prospect, I’m fine looking into it, but there are flags up with him.
Hopefully for his sake
its nothing more than the heat in TX. And they did extensive tests in Detroit and gave him a clean bill of health. But its still scary…
Oh wow. That's not good :(
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
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he could be a heartbreaker
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 6:51 AM MST up reply actions
Renck has a new post up.
Tidbits include:
-The Reds were looking like they weren’t going to sign off on a Street/Volquez trade going forward
-Rockies have contacted Kuroda’s agent since the trade
-They apparently have not contacted Mets about Niese, though they are interested
-They are not pursuing Cody Ross
Cody Ross is very unappealing to me
if he is anything more than a platoon bat
Thanks for that last part
I can breathe a little easier now
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JFK
There just was no logic to that,
unless we’re trading Fowler for Prado.
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I'm really doubtful the Yankees find the ability to rid themselves of Burnett
So unless the Yankees completely sour on Phil Hughes, I really, really doubt they sign Kuroda. If they hadn’t committed to Garcia I’d be a lot more worried. Besides, it really, really sounds like the want to commit to their young pitching, and Cashman’s done well to support that belief. A Burnett deal would have to be the precursor to a Kuroda deal.
Then again, it’s the freaking Yankees. Unless there’s a top free agent they really want, it’s pretty unpredictable to know what they’re going to do.
Your 2012 Colorado Rockies:freshly exorcised from Ty Wigginton
Why so quiet around here?
Got back from dinner, and hardly any new messages. I thought YESTERDAY was a Slowey day.
What, one overflow is not enough for you?
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
I'm still trying
to work my way through the other thread in case there was something in there I felt like chiming in on
"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK
Welp so much for that
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
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I'm really curious as to what he signs for
Your 2012 Colorado Rockies:freshly exorcised from Ty Wigginton
Good
maybe now I can get him to sign my 2007 NL Champions Shirt
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"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK
So we're getting more lowering of the bar articles for teams that are losing out on off-season targets:
Washington would be smart to hold right now
See if, as expected, they’re really good in a couple years, and THEN put the icing on the cake with the top SP in a FA class. They’re not winning next year.
I feel like there isn’t much energy in the hot stove this year. A lot of teams suggesting guys are available, only to put such a ridiculous price on their head as to make them near impossible to acquire. And all the FA’s are going to one team, that’s likely to blow up in a couple years. Not enough buyers this off-season, for whatever reason. Which SHOULD be good for us, assuming we are actually buying …
by BostonTransplant on Dec 7, 2011 8:36 PM MST up reply actions
Pirates release Ross Ohlendorf.
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But he’s really smart!
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Of interesting note,
his arbitration win probably killed his career with the Pirates. We’ll see if anyone picks him up now.
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Kelly Johnson accepts arbitration. Hrm.
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~WolfMarauder
so does K-Rod lol Brewers
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Oh, was that somehow not posted already?
Guess it’s quite dead in here.
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by Greg Stanwood on Dec 7, 2011 10:34 PM MST up reply actions
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