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Thursday Rockpile: How to succeed in the Rule 5 draft without really trying.

Rule 5: Like a gaggle of old ladies at a church charity bingo game, sports fans get absolutely crazed over drafts. It doesn't matter if success in a sports draft is mostly determined by your team being particularly bad at utilizing what it obtains from said drafts, they still engender feelings that somehow, someway, your crummy, but not crummy enough to have a decent slot team will somehow do better with the player it picks this year. Not that this is referring to any crummy, but not too crummy team, mind you. At any rate, this is trying to get around to this morning's draft of drafts, draft of cosmic import, draft of air on the nether regions, draft of professional baseball players, draft of mostly useless minor league filler that paradoxically has to be kept in the majors, baseball's Rule 5 draft.

I used to be one of that gaggle that loved this draft, back when the Rockies would spend the energy to draft and lovingly nurture players that had no business in the majors such as Luis Gonzalez or Marcos Carvajal, but eventually I discovered that there were ways for teams to obtain players that have no business in the majors from other teams and actually not have to keep in them in the majors. It's true, I swear.

  • One way is to wait until other teams decide what players currently on their major league roster have no business in the majors and release them. This is especially easy when these teams are going through a phase of signing other players that have no business in the majors but need roster spots anyway.
  • Another way to get this type of a player is to trade a surly long man nee starter whose burnt all clubhouse and media bridges in your city. Boom. Instant* Rule 5 type of player.
  • Finally, you can trade the second best closer in your franchise's history and you too instantly* get a Rule 5 caliber player

* - not actually instant, in fact, you'll have to wait until all the teams that are actually participating in the Rule 5 draft decide that this player is not, in fact, worthy of the Rule 5 draft.

Now I actually have no qualms with avoiding the 25 man roster hassle of the Rule 5 draft and waiting for those silly teams that do get caught up in the bingo game aspect of it, as the chances of success for the players that don't get selected but are at about the same level are about as high as they are for the players that will get their names called today.

What I do have a pretty big qualm with is the basic algebra the Rockies made this week to make all of this go down:

Huston Street at $8 million = $1 million cash + Rule 5 eligible player

Kevin Slowey at $3 million = Rule 5 eligible player

If the Rule 5 level players are about equivalent, and I have no reason to think that they won't be, they cancel out. One leaves the Rockies in the Slowey trade, one comes back in the Street trade. The Rockies are paying Slowey and the $1 million in the Street trade, so if you take it from Street's obligation and put all on the Slowey/Rockies side, the end result is this:

Huston Street at $7 million = Kevin Slowey at $4 million.

The upshot of this week is that the Rockies traded a less costly than he usually is Huston Street for a more costly than he usually is Kevin Slowey. Ugh. There's simply no way to justify that on the players' current value.

Star-divide

Kevin Slowey's heat map. This hasn't been pointed out yet, so I thought I would. Note the lack of activity in the bottom of the strike zone for Slowey, which I think we'd all pretty much surmise is the reason the pitcher's flyball rate is as high as it is. For a pitcher of such supposedly elite command, he seems to avoid throwing at the knees like the plague. Maybe Joe Mauer couldn't crouch that far. After Bob Apodaca and Matt Kemp teach Slowey a couple of Coors Field tricks (namely, don't live high in the zone) that will change, and we'll have a serviceabale starter on our hands. I would be okay with the exchange of a set-up reliever for that, but at their current value, nope.

With the money saved on Street, the Rockies were apparently hoping to knock Hiroki Kuroda's socks off, but there's been no sign that Colorado is any closer to signing Kuroda than they were before they made their latest overture. Troy Renck's post says that the Yankees would be the favorites for Kuroda, but he seems to have it backwards from what New York is saying. Both the Yankees and Red Sox (especially after David Ortiz accepted arbitration yesterday,) are at a position where they will have to move other salary first, and then they could perhaps pursue Kuroda, not the other way around.

The Rockies are interested in Jonathon Niese, and with good reason, he's a very solid pitcher and fits the Rockies current rotational age group. The question with Niese and every "available" pitcher this winter, however, is at what cost, and as long the price remains unknown it's okay to speculate, but if it turns out beyond a Jason Hammel and #5 or so prospect (Tyler Matzek? Giving him up makes some sense to me in this case,) it might not behoove the Rockies or fans to engage in further speculation.

The Diamondbacks seem to be willing to go all in for contention

Sort of okay in that they have a lot of pitching prospects that could potentially fuel an NL West powerhouse for seasons to come, but I'm doubting that they'll give up all of them and this just might make the Rockies path to division contention in the next two seasons that much more difficult. We'll see what transpires, but the Rockies might need a game changer type of move if Arizona improves much.

The Giants, meanwhile, are cutting back.

Scott Boras and Carlos Beltran basically handpicked San Francisco as the place that Beltran would most likely get the lucrative final contract he seeks, but the Giants are passing. That means that top pitching prospect Zack Wheeler bought them two months of the oft-injured slugger but little else. And while Brian Sabean says that the offense will be better than 2011, it's kind of difficult for me to agree without knowing how much Buster Posey will be able to play, and play at catcher, next season. They say he's on a path for Opening Day readiness, but I always am somewhat skeptical of winter health reports (that includes our own good news on Juan Nicasio, btw.)

That article lists what Sabean is counting on for his offense next year:

So, despite the pretty terrible decision with Huston Street, despite the terror that an even stronger Diamondbacks rotation invokes on the Rockies chances for 2012, at least I have Schadenfreude about the Giants and Dodgers. Never mind that with their pitching staff, the Giants are still in better shape than Colorado heading into next season, I can at least laugh that they're counting on a healthy Freddy Sanchez and a productive Aubrey Huff.

Jose Morales signed a minor league deal with the Pirates

It's a better situation for the catcher than he would have had in Colorado with Ramon Hernandez and Wilin Rosario, not to mention Jordan Pacheco around, but I liked Morales better than other names the Rockies have been connected to for their minor league depth at the position.

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10th Pick in the Draft

who we gonn take?

Smoker? Stowell? Sosa? Lets take them all

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 7:59 AM MST reply actions  

Pujols to the Angels!

"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"

/it is a new beginning, right?

by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 8, 2011 7:59 AM MST via mobile reply actions  

.

Oh Happy Day!!!! Oh Happy Day!!! When Pujols Walked (When Pujols Walked) When Pujols Walked (When Pujols Walked)

It's Jim Tracy's Fault.

by wolf213 on Dec 8, 2011 8:04 AM MST up reply actions  

Pujols to Angels looks like it may be done

now please excuse me while I shower this egg off my face.

by mkorpal on Dec 8, 2011 7:59 AM MST reply actions  

Where are you hearing this?

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 8:01 AM MST up reply actions  

nevermind Buster
Pujols to the angels, done, sources say

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 8:04 AM MST up reply actions  

Brown was the first to break the story

For a reporter that was a very big get. Kudos to Yahoo! for beating Rosenthal and Fox this time around.

by Rox Girl on Dec 8, 2011 8:06 AM MST up reply actions  

no doubt

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 8:07 AM MST up reply actions  

$250-$260 million, Full NTC.

Cardinals are probably better off not having to commit to that terrible deal.

by Adam2011 on Dec 8, 2011 8:07 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

for their sake

I hope that is extremely frontloaded

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by Muzia on Dec 8, 2011 8:07 AM MST up reply actions  

Hear from somewhere

This is a huge marketing type deal. Near the End of the Contract, Pujols is going to be looking to break Bonds HR record, the marketing alone for that should pay for his contract.

It's Jim Tracy's Fault.

by wolf213 on Dec 8, 2011 8:09 AM MST up reply actions  

hahaha

Suppose it Goes “Hey we got Pujols!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

5 Minute Later
You get sick to your stomach, a bit queezy, and dizy and then you go “Holy Shit we just spent $250 million dollars on one player”. Similair to the feeling of the kid on Sandlot…“That wasn’t my ball!”

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 8:10 AM MST up reply actions  

Crap, I feel that way if I have to spend $300 at once.

Filling up your senses like a night in the forest since 1992.

by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 8, 2011 8:36 AM MST up reply actions  

winner!

We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!

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by Junction Rox on Dec 8, 2011 9:57 AM MST up reply actions  

Green Albertross

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 9:59 AM MST up reply actions  

MLBTR

It's Jim Tracy's Fault.

by wolf213 on Dec 8, 2011 8:03 AM MST up reply actions  

10 years, between $250-260mil

WOW

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by Muzia on Dec 8, 2011 8:07 AM MST up reply actions  

Goddamn, Angels, just....damn

"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"

/it is a new beginning, right?

by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 8, 2011 8:16 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

The one positive here for the Angels ...

Is that at least Pujols is going to the AL where he can move to DH in 3 years at age 40.

by Traindogger on Dec 8, 2011 8:21 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

That's still not the 10/300 deal he was looking for last February from the Cards

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 8, 2011 8:52 AM MST up reply actions  

So who wants Trumbo or Kendrys?

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 8:06 AM MST reply actions  

Trumbo would be a nice Helton replacement down the road

That contract might mean they have to give up Ervin Santana too, especially if Wilson decides to go there. Santana’s who I’m really looking at, or perhaps one of their UT types (Callaspo) to take over at second for us. Plus you can probably figure they won’t sign Kuroda, now.

by Rox Girl on Dec 8, 2011 8:09 AM MST up reply actions  

Trumbo would be an interesting get

But I guess they will hold on to him since he isn’t costing them anything and he can play the outfield. Apparently, Kendrys may actually be non-tendered. Not sure if he has healed up yet or not.

by mkorpal on Dec 8, 2011 8:14 AM MST up reply actions  

He played some outfield in 08

But, that was before his ankle had 50 surgeries. I’m not even sure he can play period. but, considering what he was before that ill-fated walk off, I’m sure plenty of teams will be looking to take a flyer on him.

by mkorpal on Dec 8, 2011 8:20 AM MST up reply actions  

That was my thought to

If he is non-tendered he seems like a low risk move. Its to bad we already have Giambi on the roster

It's Jim Tracy's Fault.

by wolf213 on Dec 8, 2011 8:22 AM MST up reply actions  

I'll cut Giambi for Morales in a heart beat

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 8:28 AM MST up reply actions  

And the Rockies fire back

With mike ekstrom. Woo.

Renck

The Rockies are expected to sign LHP mike ekstrom to minor league deal. Would compete in camp, adds depth

by mkorpal on Dec 8, 2011 8:09 AM MST reply actions  

Great move here

not at the Level of a Pujols, but you can never have to many fringe left handed relief options.

It's Jim Tracy's Fault.

by wolf213 on Dec 8, 2011 8:10 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Somebody get me some info on Ekstrom!

says the news anchor

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 8:12 AM MST up reply actions  

It moves freely and contains muscles and tendons.

Avalance 2011-12 season, Mission 45 Wins.
Get well soon Juan.

by Thnikkaman on Dec 8, 2011 8:21 AM MST up reply actions  

yeah I didnt really care, he won’t do anything but serve up big ones in the springs

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 8:25 AM MST up reply actions  

Alexis?

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 8:20 AM MST up reply actions  

Where is the Acquire All Arms image?

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 8:13 AM MST up reply actions  

Arms Race

It's Jim Tracy's Fault.

by wolf213 on Dec 8, 2011 8:14 AM MST up reply actions  

Nice Job...

Pass on picking someone up…

by nt_eagle on Dec 8, 2011 8:09 AM MST reply actions  

I knew you were going to be right

But now you just have confirmation. The Rockies haven’t gone to that dance (Rule 5) In a while now.

It's Jim Tracy's Fault.

by wolf213 on Dec 8, 2011 8:19 AM MST up reply actions  

@sbnation
In 2023, the final year of the Albert Pujols deal, he’ll be 42 years old, and earning roughly $26 million.

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by Muzia on Dec 8, 2011 8:14 AM MST reply actions  

52......sssssssh

"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"

/it is a new beginning, right?

by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 8, 2011 8:18 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Fixed.
In 2023, the final year of the Albert Pujols deal, he’ll be 42 years old,and earning roughly $26 million.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 8:17 AM MST up reply actions  

Renck
Rox pass on first rd of rule 5 draft … This is common. Most teams pass. Rule 5 guys have to stick in big leagues or be offered back

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 8:18 AM MST reply actions  

Rule 5 over. Rox didn’t take or lose anyone. And oh yeah Albert Pujols has reportedly signed for a quarter billion w Angels

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 8:19 AM MST up reply actions  

Rule 5's are fast

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 8:19 AM MST up reply actions  

It only lasts until every team passes in a round.

"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"

/it is a new beginning, right?

by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 8, 2011 8:21 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

easy when almost no one gets selected

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by Muzia on Dec 8, 2011 8:21 AM MST up reply actions  

No Rockies were selected in the Rule 5 draft, either, nor any Padres...

This means that whoever the Twins had wanted for Slowey and whoever the Rox had decided on for Street should be announced soon.

by Rox Girl on Dec 8, 2011 8:20 AM MST reply actions  

Matthew Buschmann selected by the Nats from the Padres in the AA phase and the Rule 5 is over.

As long as the Rockies didn’t have in mind, and the Twins didn’t have Duarte, we should be good to know who’s going where now on these trades.

by Rox Girl on Dec 8, 2011 8:37 AM MST up reply actions  

Does this make Morales or Kendrick available?

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 8, 2011 8:20 AM MST via mobile reply actions  

I would Imagine that Trumbo and Morales

careers with the angels are over

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 8:21 AM MST up reply actions  

Pujols Game Check

$154,320.98 or about $51,440.32 per hour

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 8:24 AM MST reply actions  

so between $3-$4 per ticket sold.

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by Muzia on Dec 8, 2011 8:25 AM MST up reply actions  

haha If they sell it out, that is ridiculous

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 8:28 AM MST up reply actions  

So what does Pujols leaving mean for Hollliday?

This could either be really good or really bad.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 8:27 AM MST reply actions  

He's the centerpiece in St. Louis now,

Derrick Goold already said it’s the start of the Holliday era.

by Rox Girl on Dec 8, 2011 8:29 AM MST up reply actions  

Slighlty bad.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 8:29 AM MST up reply actions  

Sweet first-round and sandwich pick compensation for the best player of last decade.

-C

It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?

by cthabeerman on Dec 8, 2011 8:53 AM MST up reply actions  

And they won't be hamstrung for the next decade financially

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 8, 2011 8:54 AM MST up reply actions  

Indeed, that’s a big part of it, unless they spend a healthy chunk of that money on Fielder.

Still a huge blow to the team in the short-term.

-C

It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?

by cthabeerman on Dec 8, 2011 8:56 AM MST up reply actions  

But if Milwaukee loses Fielder,

things will even out a bit in the Central.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 8:57 AM MST up reply actions  

Bill Plunkett:
Indications are CJ Wilson will also accept #Angels offer. 2012 payroll looks to be north of $160m and climbing.

by Rox Girl on Dec 8, 2011 8:28 AM MST reply actions  

!!!!!

anyone still want the Rockies to move to the AL West?

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by Muzia on Dec 8, 2011 8:28 AM MST up reply actions  

Houston....they have a problem

Angels be loading for bear…..

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 8:32 AM MST up reply actions  

what do the Mariners do?

go all in and sign Prince Fielder? trade Felix? they can’t really wait out the storm in the AL West with the Rangers and Angels becoming juggernauts

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by Muzia on Dec 8, 2011 8:36 AM MST up reply actions  

Does the Mariners owner have money?

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 8:36 AM MST up reply actions  

I know nothing about the Mariners

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 8:37 AM MST up reply actions  

Yep.

And they have stockpiled plenty of pitching. But that historically bad offense keeps them from being a contender

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by Muzia on Dec 8, 2011 8:37 AM MST up reply actions  

Why not?

They’ve been waiting he storm for 15 years already.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 8:37 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Might as well go all in on Fielder.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 8:38 AM MST up reply actions  

MLB and Networks are gonna go crazy

if all this talent goes west coast

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 8:40 AM MST up reply actions  

I'll never see another Rockies game again

on Fox Saturday that’s for sure.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 8:41 AM MST up reply actions  

Damn.

Rangers might be having their window closed. Artie is on a rampage.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 8:30 AM MST up reply actions  

I guess we will have to take Kinsler off their hands

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 8:30 AM MST up reply actions  

i always wonder what indications are….are they the same as sources? Or are they just signs that sources see? Like CJ Wilson was wearing red so thats an indication

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 8:30 AM MST up reply actions  

They aren't quite as good as sources at getting it right, that's for sure.

And reporter sources already have some reliability/accuracy issues.

by Rox Girl on Dec 8, 2011 8:32 AM MST up reply actions  

And the sad thing is,

this isn’t even the worst day the Texas Rangers have had in the last seven weeks.

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 8, 2011 8:56 AM MST up reply actions  

BREAKING NEWS FROM RENCK!!!!!!!!!!
Ekstrom a RHP…carry on

It's Jim Tracy's Fault.

by wolf213 on Dec 8, 2011 8:31 AM MST reply actions  

Ambidextrous.

Awesome.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 8:32 AM MST up reply actions  

That's what I thought

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 8, 2011 8:43 AM MST up reply actions  

Full NTC for Albert. Damn.

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 8, 2011 8:34 AM MST via mobile reply actions  

That's a huge deal

Good luck Angels fans, you better pray he doesn’t have any severe, or lingering injury issues. Holy moly!

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 8:37 AM MST up reply actions  

I’m sure he’ll have a physical before the trade. ;)

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 8:39 AM MST up reply actions  

Yeah, because he'll never get hurt every again.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 8:39 AM MST up reply actions  

*ever

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 8:41 AM MST up reply actions  

Angels apparently have a new TV deal in the pipeline that allows this kind of outlay.

It was leaked in the McCourt hearing according to Bill Shaiken of the LA Times. This is the kind of money the Dodgers will probably have to spend in couple of years under new ownership.

by Rox Girl on Dec 8, 2011 8:39 AM MST up reply actions  

This explains why Dodgers are suing Fox.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 8:40 AM MST up reply actions  

No opt out clauses either

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 8, 2011 8:39 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

BREAKING RENCK!!!!!!!!!!!

Rox lost Beau seabury to nationals in minor league phase of Rule 5

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 8:38 AM MST reply actions  

He was one of my favorite names.

Bastards.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 8:39 AM MST up reply actions  

NOTHING IS BETTER

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by Resolution on Dec 8, 2011 9:48 AM MST up reply actions  

Cool name.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 8:39 AM MST up reply actions  

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Wait, Who is Beau Seabury?

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by Thnikkaman on Dec 8, 2011 8:39 AM MST up reply actions  

He's minor league catching depth!!!

If we have about 10 other catchers catch food poisoning all at once, the Rockies are in deep trouble now.

by Rox Girl on Dec 8, 2011 8:40 AM MST up reply actions  

How does O'Dowd get away with doing NOTHING?

Does no trades or signings to help our roster in Dallas.

Does no picks in Rule 5.

I’ve got a new nickname for DOD: “Do-Nothing-Dan”. ;)

by GoRoxGo on Dec 8, 2011 8:41 AM MST reply actions  

YEAH!

Lets OCCUPY!

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 8:41 AM MST up reply actions  

I really hope people pick up on the #sarcasm

Occupy is stupid

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 8:43 AM MST up reply actions  

OCCUPY O'DOWD!!!!!

It's Jim Tracy's Fault.

by wolf213 on Dec 8, 2011 8:50 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Let's get Michael Moore on TV....

wearing a CR hat and complaining about how we sell our best players LOW. Must be a Wall Street payoff!!!

by GoRoxGo on Dec 8, 2011 8:52 AM MST up reply actions  

Were you expecting us to sign Pujols or something?

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 8:42 AM MST up reply actions  

Which "something" would that be?

Also, the trade deadline has not yet passed….

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 8:44 AM MST up reply actions  

I, for one ...

… prefer to let the offseason play out before grading our FO – or dishing out silly nicknames.

by Traindogger on Dec 8, 2011 8:42 AM MST up reply actions  

So let me get this straight ...

Rather than actually say what I mean to say, I should make a silly comment and then post it so everyone can point out how silly it is and then I can say how silly it is that they thought I was serious. I think I’m getting the hang of this.

by Traindogger on Dec 8, 2011 8:48 AM MST up reply actions  

you catch on fast...welcome to the row !!


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by butterfly on Dec 8, 2011 8:51 AM MST up reply actions  

Gotta think as quickly...

as the messages are posted around here.

by GoRoxGo on Dec 8, 2011 8:53 AM MST up reply actions  

Patience

Its a virtue.

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by Thnikkaman on Dec 8, 2011 8:48 AM MST up reply actions  

what's fun about that?

The off-season sucks.
That is all.

by DAWNMARIE01 on Dec 8, 2011 9:01 AM MST up reply actions  

You forgot about Kevin Slowey

Big time.

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by Gasstation1 on Dec 8, 2011 8:43 AM MST up reply actions  

FIXED.
Helps our roster that?
Optimist, you are.

Russ would be proud.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 8:45 AM MST up reply actions  

/thatsthejoke

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 8:46 AM MST up reply actions  

Let me trry this again...

You forgot about Kevin Slowey.
Big time.
/rolling eyes
/picturing 500 foot HRs off Slowey in the Springs

Just a small town kid who thinks Coors Field on a sunny summer Saturday night is the best place to be on this or any other plane of existence. When a late-inning Todd Helton go-ahead homerun is added to this scenario, my brain melts.

by Gasstation1 on Dec 8, 2011 8:46 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Seriously? You're upset he didn't make a pick in the Rule 5?

This is where your rants go overboard to just pettiness, frankly.

by Rox Girl on Dec 8, 2011 8:44 AM MST up reply actions  

Sounds like your backpedaling now ;)

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 8:46 AM MST up reply actions  

WEll, you defended the other half of your statement there

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 8, 2011 8:46 AM MST up reply actions  

Oops...

I’d claim being thicker than usual, but not sure if that will fly. Stupid sarcasm meter. Gotta call the repairman.

by Rox Girl on Dec 8, 2011 8:46 AM MST up reply actions  

BTW

Anyone who would be upset at any team’s RULE V DRAFT results would be retarded.

I am a lot of things, but I’m not retarded.

by GoRoxGo on Dec 8, 2011 8:49 AM MST up reply actions  

Just because someone enjoys

the Rule V draft doesn’t mean that they have a cognitive disability.

by hotdoglady on Dec 8, 2011 8:51 AM MST up reply actions  

Enjoy = Upset?

I have to get my Webster’s dictionary out now.

by GoRoxGo on Dec 8, 2011 8:54 AM MST up reply actions  

well generally people who enjoy things

tend to get upset when the franchise they support does something that they do not agree with.

by hotdoglady on Dec 8, 2011 8:56 AM MST up reply actions  

Ugh....

I have no other comment.

by GoRoxGo on Dec 8, 2011 8:57 AM MST up reply actions  

I doubt this.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 8:58 AM MST up reply actions  

as do I.

But what would I know…i’m just a hat wearing hot dog.

by hotdoglady on Dec 8, 2011 8:58 AM MST up reply actions  

Actually Maria, a cursory look at the most recent edition of the DSM reveals that ‘enjoying the rule V draft’ is a chief symptom associated with several Axis II intellectual disabilities.

I was as surprised as you are!!

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by Resolution on Dec 8, 2011 9:10 AM MST up reply actions  

everyone knows that the DSM IV

needs to take a second look at this. No way that should be considered a mental disorder. I mean they removed SABR Identity Disorder in the late 90’s isn’t it about time they did something about the RULE V issue?

by hotdoglady on Dec 8, 2011 9:13 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

The trouble is that Rule V devotees need the medical designation to get their meds.

Otherwise the pills they take that make Marco Duarte look like he might have value would have to be come by on the black market.

by Rox Girl on Dec 8, 2011 9:17 AM MST up reply actions  

well we need to work with the insurance companies

to understand that being a Rule V devotee is a legitimate medical issue – and that they need to provide coverage for them – without the stigma of having to be diagnosed with a mental disorder!

by hotdoglady on Dec 8, 2011 9:19 AM MST up reply actions  

Can't we just get medical marijuana to deal with the condition?

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 9:24 AM MST up reply actions  

Well all I know is

there is definitely a correlation between weed and baseball…..

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 9:26 AM MST up reply actions  

Just ask Timmeh.

The off-season sucks.
That is all.

by DAWNMARIE01 on Dec 8, 2011 10:15 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

They removed SABR identity disorder but just reclassified ‘attachment to spreadsheets’, ‘never watching a game’ and ‘parents basement dwelling’ to other disorders. Total BS if you ask me.

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by Resolution on Dec 8, 2011 9:22 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

well only in the extreme cases

is it an issue really. Generally it is a dual diagnosis with OOTPitis.

by hotdoglady on Dec 8, 2011 9:24 AM MST up reply actions  

comorbidity ftw!

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by Resolution on Dec 8, 2011 9:25 AM MST up reply actions  

Takes a special kind of hot dog to wear a hat.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 10:20 AM MST up reply actions  

and type

The off-season sucks.
That is all.

by DAWNMARIE01 on Dec 8, 2011 10:36 AM MST up reply actions  

and loves bacon and dlll plckles


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by butterfly on Dec 8, 2011 10:41 AM MST up reply actions  

But would you be upset with the results of the Rule 5 draft?

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 8, 2011 8:52 AM MST up reply actions  

How about the Rule 0b101 draft?

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 8:54 AM MST up reply actions  

I repeat...

I am a lot of things, but I’m not retarded.

by GoRoxGo on Dec 8, 2011 8:56 AM MST up reply actions  

Um my projection shows a xTIJ of 3.08 which is concurrent with MLB, slightly above average pitchers. He would project to be our #3.

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 8:48 AM MST up reply actions   2 recs

@darren rovell
Cardinals Pujols memorabilia sale will be epic. 40% of the Cards official store is Albert gear.

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 8:46 AM MST reply actions   1 recs

Well. It might soon all be Holliday gear,

if they remove the name.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 8:48 AM MST up reply actions  

@susanslusser

Beat reporter for the Athletics

The teams most likely to land Josh Willingham: #Twins, #Indians and #Rockies.

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by Muzia on Dec 8, 2011 8:47 AM MST reply actions  

INTERESTING

"Some guy on the net thinks I suck, and he should know - he's got his own blog." - Nick Hornby
"Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est"
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 8, 2011 8:48 AM MST up reply actions  

None of those teams are obvious contenders

So I suppose that’d play in our favor

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 8, 2011 8:49 AM MST up reply actions  

Hey

That would be something slightly positive with the savings from Street, as opposed to Lidge.

by mkorpal on Dec 8, 2011 8:49 AM MST up reply actions  

So...

One teams gets Cuddyer, another gets Willingham, and the last gets Coco Crisp.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 8:50 AM MST up reply actions  

My guess...

Twins will be out because Cuddyer will decide to stay there with a hometown discount.
Rockies at least match Indians offer and Willingham decides to come here because Denver is awesome.

Just a small town kid who thinks Coors Field on a sunny summer Saturday night is the best place to be on this or any other plane of existence. When a late-inning Todd Helton go-ahead homerun is added to this scenario, my brain melts.

by Gasstation1 on Dec 8, 2011 8:50 AM MST up reply actions  

But Cleveland Rocks...

kind of… well… not really.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 8:51 AM MST up reply actions  

Fun times in Clevleand again

Its Cleveland

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by Thnikkaman on Dec 8, 2011 8:54 AM MST up reply actions  

our main export is crip-pling depression!

by deacs on Dec 8, 2011 8:55 AM MST up reply actions  

They see the sun almost three times a year.

"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"

/it is a new beginning, right?

by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 8, 2011 9:00 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

They have some good beer.

Fatheads won a couple golds at GABF.

The off-season sucks.
That is all.

by DAWNMARIE01 on Dec 8, 2011 9:10 AM MST up reply actions  

what about Buzz Beer?

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by Muzia on Dec 8, 2011 9:10 AM MST up reply actions  

Are they good?

Never heard of them.

The off-season sucks.
That is all.

by DAWNMARIE01 on Dec 8, 2011 9:12 AM MST up reply actions  

Drew Carey Show reference.

#obscurehipsterjoke

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by Muzia on Dec 8, 2011 9:13 AM MST up reply actions  

The coffee beer.

I got it.

/guess that means I am a hipster.

by hotdoglady on Dec 8, 2011 9:13 AM MST up reply actions  

Drew Carey is a hipster?

Or do hipsters watch the show ironically?

The off-season sucks.
That is all.

by DAWNMARIE01 on Dec 8, 2011 9:18 AM MST up reply actions  

No, Cleveland......kinda sucks

"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"

/it is a new beginning, right?

by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 8, 2011 8:59 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

I feel a Ryan Ludwick esque

collaps coming with Willingham

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 8:51 AM MST up reply actions  

He did put up good numbers

In Oakland. But I’m very concerned over long term health and defense. Much more so than Cuddyer.

by mkorpal on Dec 8, 2011 8:52 AM MST up reply actions  

Why don't we just wait for Ethier or Victorino or Kendrick or somebody next year

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 8:56 AM MST up reply actions  

Probably because

two of them will not make free agency, and we would like to stay competitive this year. Adding Willingham allows us to move Smith for either an infielder or pitching help without losing production in the outfield.

by mkorpal on Dec 8, 2011 8:57 AM MST up reply actions  

Ethier is like a slightly better Seth Smith anyway

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 8, 2011 8:59 AM MST up reply actions  

Ethier hits like a career 20 points higher

than Smith and Smith has never played full time.

I’ll disagree on this one, but I know you some ppl on here have a huge thing against Ethier which is fine

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 9:05 AM MST up reply actions  

How much is

Smith not playing full time about the player, or the managers fear of lefty on lefty action.

by mkorpal on Dec 8, 2011 9:06 AM MST up reply actions  

well he doesn't

so how can I judge that, must be for a reason. Ethier plays full time

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 9:07 AM MST up reply actions  

How much is the Seth Smith talk

complete homerism around here? I don’t know, just judging what I see and not what I cant

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 9:08 AM MST up reply actions  

Ethier's OPS vs. LHP is 250 points lower

Smith’s not that much greater.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 8, 2011 9:11 AM MST up reply actions  

I said Ethier was better

They’re both LH hitting corner outfielders with some pop, poor defense, and pretty bad splits vs LHP. If the Rockies played Smith regularly as the Dodgers do Ethier, their counting stats would be closer. Still….as I said, Ethier was better, not by enough to drastically change the roster

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 8, 2011 9:08 AM MST up reply actions  

I worry about this too,

Also a lot of my interest in Cuddyer is that he’s had 1B experience, as I see that as the likely shift in a season or two. Willingham’s more of an unknown there.

by Rox Girl on Dec 8, 2011 8:53 AM MST up reply actions  

Two numbers supporting Willingham holding up:

Career BB% is 3 points higher than Ludwick. Career OBP is 30 points higher than Ludwick.

Also, Willingham had a career year in 2010 and then moved into a crappy offensive park and sitll put up good numbers.

by deacs on Dec 8, 2011 8:59 AM MST up reply actions  

He has also registered

6 strait 2+ War seasons, and has never had a wRC+ under 100. Injuries are a larger concern than regression.

by mkorpal on Dec 8, 2011 9:01 AM MST up reply actions  

Yeah, and unfortunately

a lot of his injuries mirror Helton’s. They’re not necessarily caused by over-athleticism, but rather tweaking his back on swings and stuff.

But there comes a time when every team needs to sign a 30+ year old to a 2-3 year deal to competently compete. I’d be a lot happier if they signed Willingham than most other 30+ year olds. Especially when Cuddyer was ass in two of the last four years.

by deacs on Dec 8, 2011 9:14 AM MST up reply actions  

We can do this

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 8, 2011 8:59 AM MST up reply actions  

1. Sign Willingham
2. Trade Smith for Prado
3. Profit.

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by Muzia on Dec 8, 2011 9:01 AM MST up reply actions  

My goodness

A lineup that includes Dex, Prado, Cargo, Tulo, Helton, and Willingham with Arenado and Rosario knocking on the door has a real potential to be one of the better ones in the league.

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 8, 2011 9:07 AM MST up reply actions  

I would like a Willingham.

Preferably Josh, not Ty.

"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"

/it is a new beginning, right?

by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 8, 2011 9:02 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Trade Chatwood for Morales?

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 8:54 AM MST reply actions  

That would be sweet.

Just a small town kid who thinks Coors Field on a sunny summer Saturday night is the best place to be on this or any other plane of existence. When a late-inning Todd Helton go-ahead homerun is added to this scenario, my brain melts.

by Gasstation1 on Dec 8, 2011 8:55 AM MST up reply actions  

Michelle Beadle:
I would tweet about Pujols, but I’m not wearing a floor length caftan. #MLBdresscodehumor

I haven’t really said anything, about it, but the new MLB dress code for reporters does seem a bit overly focused on women reporters.

by Rox Girl on Dec 8, 2011 8:58 AM MST reply actions  

I don't know who this is.

Googled. Still don’t know.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 9:02 AM MST up reply actions   2 recs

She was actually just an RT by Amy Nelson,

But if you follow other female reporters, such as Nelson, you’ll know that there’s some concern with this. Alyson Footer out of Houston’s an exception, but several more see it as pedantic.

by Rox Girl on Dec 8, 2011 9:07 AM MST up reply actions  

I love "Talibanian"

definitely stealing that one

Just a small town kid who thinks Coors Field on a sunny summer Saturday night is the best place to be on this or any other plane of existence. When a late-inning Todd Helton go-ahead homerun is added to this scenario, my brain melts.

by Gasstation1 on Dec 8, 2011 9:09 AM MST up reply actions  

Paternalistic?

MLB is only pro league with such a policy. I thought Christine Brennan might have commented on this today rather than ranting about Sandusky’s bail.

Bleed purple
sans links

by Rawktober on Dec 8, 2011 12:14 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Were women reporters really the main motivation behind the dress code though?

I thought it was more about the Jim Armstrongs of the world dressing up like Cousin Hugh in “The Descendants”?

by Northsider1964 on Dec 8, 2011 9:30 AM MST up reply actions  

This really sucks.

I can’t imagine what the women are wearing that is so terrible. Weird.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 9:42 AM MST up reply actions  

I can imagine it, and it looks good.

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by Resolution on Dec 8, 2011 9:43 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

OK, thanks. Didn't know that.

I heard Kornheiser and Wilbon talking about it yesterday, and they focused only on how a lot of beat writers were dressing like slobs – especially compared to other sports.

by Northsider1964 on Dec 8, 2011 9:43 AM MST up reply actions  

She's on an ESPN show

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 8, 2011 9:11 AM MST up reply actions  

Which one

I really don’t pay much attention to ESPN.

by mkorpal on Dec 8, 2011 9:12 AM MST up reply actions  

SportsNation with Colin Cowherd

It has the feel of a game show. It’s weird

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 8, 2011 9:13 AM MST up reply actions  

Put it this way – she’s hot enough to make it tolerable to listen to Colin Cowherd talk for 90 seconds. Then I turn the channel.

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by Franchise26 on Dec 8, 2011 9:16 AM MST up reply actions  

Dump Cowherd and keep Beedle. He's an ass.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 9:21 AM MST up reply actions  

she is pretty funny

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 9:06 AM MST up reply actions  

Sounds like CJ Wilson to the Angels is a done deal as well

waiting for contract details to emerge

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by Muzia on Dec 8, 2011 9:01 AM MST reply actions  

Wilson done

5 years, $75 mil

Actually a reasonableish deal.

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by Muzia on Dec 8, 2011 9:07 AM MST up reply actions  

I hope oo_nrb doesn't get any ideas

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 8, 2011 9:12 AM MST up reply actions  

Nah.

They got Pujols for just $5MM/year more than Wells. Great deal, in comparison.

-C

It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?

by cthabeerman on Dec 8, 2011 9:36 AM MST up reply actions  

oh god I forgot about that. Poor Angels. This is what happens when you go from a big market team with a stocked farm system to a big market team who’s top prospects have failed to contribute for a myriad of reasons.

"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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by Resolution on Dec 8, 2011 9:39 AM MST up reply actions  

They'd be deadly if Wood/Kotchman worked out

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 8, 2011 9:41 AM MST up reply actions  

Wood, Kotchman, Kendrick has underperformed, Morales is a question mark, and Nick Adenhardt ’nuff said.

"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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by Resolution on Dec 8, 2011 9:45 AM MST up reply actions  

Pujols and Wilson sign long term contracts with Angels to "win World Series"

Angels will not win World Series during their contracts.

"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"

/it is a new beginning, right?

by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 8, 2011 9:12 AM MST via mobile reply actions  

uh huh.

I am not willing to make that proclamation.

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by Muzia on Dec 8, 2011 9:13 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

What the hey do they do with Wells and Hunter?

And does this mean they need to decline Abreu’s option? If so, can we sign him please?

by deacs on Dec 8, 2011 9:15 AM MST up reply actions  

(good to see you around, by the way)

in answer to your question: I don’t see the Angels caring

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by Muzia on Dec 8, 2011 9:16 AM MST up reply actions  

Maybe attach one of those guys in a Morales/Trumbo deal and take a little less something back in exchange for the salary dump? Clear money and some room for Trout when he’s ready.

Isn’t Hunter’s contract over after this season?

by Adam2011 on Dec 8, 2011 9:19 AM MST up reply actions  

Yes. But Wells shines on for three more seasons.

I don’t really care about them, but what happens to Abreu now is interesting.

by deacs on Dec 8, 2011 9:21 AM MST up reply actions  

@oakclubhouse
Hearing from a source that Andrew Bailey may be heading to the LAA in a package that will net back Mark Trumbo, among other players.

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by Muzia on Dec 8, 2011 9:22 AM MST up reply actions  

Interesting deal.

Trumbo for Bailey seems like it should be enough, not sure how Beane got more than that for a closer.

by Adam2011 on Dec 8, 2011 9:27 AM MST up reply actions  

Oakland has more 1B than we have back end starters

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 8, 2011 9:31 AM MST up reply actions  

I would take some Torii Hunter for one season:)

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 9:22 AM MST up reply actions  

Too late to decline options. That would have had to been done prior to the FA period.

-C

It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?

by cthabeerman on Dec 8, 2011 9:37 AM MST up reply actions  

Right, and I didn't read ahead on Cot's

the option vested in July. That’s a lot of outfielders.

by deacs on Dec 8, 2011 9:41 AM MST up reply actions  

CJ WIlson pops his throwing elbow in the 3rd inning of his first start

And Pujols gets a compound hip fracture in a base running incident.

Avalance 2011-12 season, Mission 45 Wins.
Get well soon Juan.

by Thnikkaman on Dec 8, 2011 9:24 AM MST up reply actions  

Ahhhhh shit whats $325 million dollars in one morning

A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves

by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 9:18 AM MST reply actions  

I'm hard

(please don’t ban me)

by deacs on Dec 8, 2011 9:19 AM MST up reply actions  

what he order?

Trout fillet?

Got to say I’m the illest
Cuz I’m sufferin from realness
Got my team in LA
And they goin gorillas

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by Resolution on Dec 8, 2011 9:24 AM MST up reply actions  

seriously, how is this not reccd. It’s so perfect!!

"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker

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by Resolution on Dec 8, 2011 10:21 AM MST up reply actions  

re-did lyrics to a song

"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker

PRMLB: The Brew Crew

by Resolution on Dec 8, 2011 10:43 AM MST up reply actions  

LOL

I’m listening to that song as we speak!

That’s hilarious.

@CentralCaliRox

by CentralCaliRox on Dec 8, 2011 2:30 PM MST up reply actions  

Honestly, will Rox EVER be as aggressive as Angels or Marlins?

Hasn’t hapenned since after the 2000 season. And, no, I don’t mean securing players we already have long-term. I’m talking about going out and spending to get help!

by GoRoxGo on Dec 8, 2011 9:19 AM MST reply actions  

Yes

They signed both of those guys to put butts in the seats for the next 6 years. Beyond that if they compete with the little money left great, if not they will make money

A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves

by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 9:21 AM MST up reply actions  

Re-read my question....

Securing players long-term that we already have doesn’t qualify. Bringing in players to help next season and beyond is what I’m asking about.

by GoRoxGo on Dec 8, 2011 9:21 AM MST up reply actions  

Rockies are extremely profitable today....

It’s up to the discretion of ownership how aggressively we spend, and how go we could become.

by GoRoxGo on Dec 8, 2011 9:24 AM MST up reply actions  

I have no reason not to believe you

and perhaps you’ve explained how this is so, but could you provide a link to something that details their finances?

by deacs on Dec 8, 2011 9:25 AM MST up reply actions  

No, it is a Business

A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves

by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 9:20 AM MST up reply actions  

Yep, and I estimate Rockies revenues could be approaching...

$200 million in coming seasons. Even a $100 m payroll would result in a 50% gross margin. Profitable…..perhaps overly so.

by GoRoxGo on Dec 8, 2011 9:22 AM MST up reply actions  

Payroll is an expense...

Revenue is not. So I don’t understand your question. Perhaps you mean gross margin? (revenue minus payroll costs)

by GoRoxGo on Dec 8, 2011 9:25 AM MST up reply actions  

Yeah If I own a business

I want to make money and a lot of it. I’m not gonna just give away my money to make a bunch of people I don’t know happy. I’ll do it modesly and make sure I put a decent product on the field.

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 9:26 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

There is such a thing as "investment spending"...

in a business. Maybe it would be worth it to Monforts to reduce margins from 50% to maybe 30% temporarily to get us our first division title. Then, they start getting sellouts regularly again, can increase ticket prices even more, and can secure better contracts with stadium and TV/radio. It can create a virtuous circle of prosperity.

Is this franchise a cash cow or a growth stock?

by GoRoxGo on Dec 8, 2011 9:29 AM MST up reply actions  

I can pretty much guarantee that 30% would drive the franchise to ruin within a year.

The NHL nearly went bankrupt at 55%, the Coyotes were about 58% to 60%, and you’re talking about 70% to payroll. This would be disaster.

by Rox Girl on Dec 8, 2011 9:33 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Hey!

Common sense is banned around here!

by Traindogger on Dec 8, 2011 9:33 AM MST up reply actions  

With DOD at the helm....

you may be right! ;)

However, a deep-pocketed owner can certainly afford a reduction of gross margins to 30%. That’s still $60 million of gross profits that must cover front office overhead, minor league operartions, accounting, ticket sales, stadium ops, debt service, etc. Deep pockets probably means little or no debt, so I doubt bankruptcy would result for a well-heeled owner. Worst case is selling off high-priced contracts at 50 cents on the dollar if the investment spending fails.

I’m reading the Steve Jobs book right now. IF he were alive today and a Rockies fan, Jobs would be saying “everything the Monforts and DOD have done for this team has been sh*t.” He demanded the best.

I’m not Steve Jobs, so I’m not saying that.

by GoRoxGo on Dec 8, 2011 9:38 AM MST up reply actions  

So, Steve Jobs would have designed the original iPod and then sat on his thumbs for 10 years?

Flexibility and innovation are as critical to success and financial resources. Even more so when you are middle of the pack when it comes to resources to start.

by deacs on Dec 8, 2011 9:43 AM MST up reply actions  

No, Jobs spent on talent...

in engineering, marketing, and retailing to make and market new versions of the iPod, followed by the iPhone, and the iPad. He SPENT for excellent talent to get excellent results. He didn’t do it all by himself, obvioiusly.

Neither can the Monforts or O’Dowd.

by GoRoxGo on Dec 8, 2011 9:47 AM MST up reply actions  

Fortunately for Jobs

he didn’t have to deal with guaranteed contracts or other restrictions agreed to by the MLBPA and MLB owners.

by deacs on Dec 8, 2011 9:48 AM MST up reply actions  

Not trying to be snarky

but paying a bad personnel investment to go away in baseball is different in a way that makes spending money on improvements incredibly risky.

And while you may be correct that they could increase the payroll to revenue ratio or whatever, risk needs to be accounted for in an analysis of where the team is going.

There was little financial risk involved in the surprisingly successful 2007 NL championship team. That may be driving ownership’s thinking (hey, we can do this without spending on big open market FAs!) too much, but it’s possible that it is their best formula for long-term stability.

by deacs on Dec 8, 2011 9:53 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

He also paid the majority of his workforce about $4/day.

-C

It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?

by cthabeerman on Dec 8, 2011 10:12 AM MST up reply actions  

You're underestimating the overhead/operations costs of that kind of outlay

Every dollar you spend on player payroll requires additional money on the rest, and if you aren’t actually increasing revenue by a similar percentage (thereby driving that margin back down toward the 50% range) you aren’t covering that. A deep pocketed owner could also burn stacks of money for just the thrill of it, which is what you’re asking for. Said owner won’t stay cash burning business for very long, however, before there are no more stacks to torch. You’re asking for a roman candle owner, not a stable one for the franchise.

by Rox Girl on Dec 8, 2011 9:44 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

I often light my cigars with money. But since I’m still in grad school it’s either singles or monopoly money.

"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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by Resolution on Dec 8, 2011 9:46 AM MST up reply actions  

How do you know the Rockies aren't free cash flow positive...

to an excessive degree? I believe they have plenty of excess cash flow that can be reinvested back into the team, but isn’t.

We don’t see the books, but I believe that we are one of the more profitable pro sports teams out there, using any typical metric (net income margin, ebitda, etc.) Monforts are milking the franchise because gate will be there regardless of product quality as long as they entertain the audience. That’s what Tulo and Cargo are there for. They are the stars of a very popular show, but not an award winning one. They are a “Broadway (or Blake St) hit”, but not a “Tony Award winning play”.

by GoRoxGo on Dec 8, 2011 9:51 AM MST up reply actions  

That's because they are waiting for the EGOTs

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 9:52 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

And the reverse is also true ...

How do you know they have all this excess cahs they are pocketing?

by Traindogger on Dec 8, 2011 9:52 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

This is all based on what you "believe" their financial state is

A little support for that belief would be awesome, before we spend the day browbeating the Monforts for purposely putting out a lesser product while unreasonably cashing in.

We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!

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by Junction Rox on Dec 8, 2011 9:53 AM MST up reply actions  

I'd like to take what you said out of context to begin this beating
@Junction Rox: the Monforts […] purposely putting out a lesser product while unreasonably cashing in.

"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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PRMLB: The Brew Crew

by Resolution on Dec 8, 2011 9:54 AM MST up reply actions  

They were in the cow business, don't forget...

Now they are in a different sort of cow business.

by GoRoxGo on Dec 8, 2011 9:56 AM MST up reply actions  

Every one of your comments looks like you came to a conclusion first

then retrofitted what little evidence that is publicly available to prove your point.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 8, 2011 9:58 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Are the figures the Montforts are personally taking out of the team as their share of revenue

Publicly available? Or is this all guess work?

If I paid hundreds of millions for a sports team then damn straight I would expect a healthy return.

It's my blog!

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by biondino on Dec 8, 2011 10:00 AM MST up reply actions  

Isn't that kind of what Scott Boras does for his free agents?

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 8, 2011 10:01 AM MST up reply actions  

If you think I'm being too presumptious...

then I can think you are giving ownership too much of a benefit of the doubt. How do you know they are maximizing their opportunities to upgrade the team rather than simply extracting profits from the legions of fans who go to games regardless?

by GoRoxGo on Dec 8, 2011 10:03 AM MST up reply actions  

Because they could spend a lot less.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 10:04 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

He got a crapload of my money,

I can tell you that.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 10:07 AM MST up reply actions  

This is exactly it.

It’s fashionable in hate the ownership group in most baseball towns. I don’t get it.

Just a small town kid who thinks Coors Field on a sunny summer Saturday night is the best place to be on this or any other plane of existence. When a late-inning Todd Helton go-ahead homerun is added to this scenario, my brain melts.

by Gasstation1 on Dec 8, 2011 10:09 AM MST up reply actions  

"to" hate

(sorry)

Just a small town kid who thinks Coors Field on a sunny summer Saturday night is the best place to be on this or any other plane of existence. When a late-inning Todd Helton go-ahead homerun is added to this scenario, my brain melts.

by Gasstation1 on Dec 8, 2011 10:09 AM MST up reply actions  

/hipsterreference

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 10:10 AM MST up reply actions  

Dude.

All that bluegrass crap is hip now. Go ask the Mumford Avett Foxes.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 10:12 AM MST up reply actions  

I’d still take me some Trampled by Turtles over all them.

Filling up your senses like a night in the forest since 1992.

by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 8, 2011 10:14 AM MST up reply actions  

how ironic!

The off-season sucks.
That is all.

by DAWNMARIE01 on Dec 8, 2011 10:30 AM MST up reply actions  

ha ha

The off-season sucks.
That is all.

by DAWNMARIE01 on Dec 8, 2011 10:29 AM MST up reply actions  

for full disclosure, I don’t wish to start any monfort defamation – I think that they’re doing is more or less fine. I just merely want to miscontrue Junction Rox’s words because I think it’s funny.

"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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by Resolution on Dec 8, 2011 10:12 AM MST up reply actions  

or full disclosure, I wish to start monfort defamation – I think that they’re doing less

You’re right. Misconstruing is funny!

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 10:15 AM MST up reply actions  

hooray!

"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker

PRMLB: The Brew Crew

by Resolution on Dec 8, 2011 10:19 AM MST up reply actions  

^4

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 10:20 AM MST up reply actions  

AmIdoinitrite?
Junction Rox hooray!

We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!

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by Junction Rox on Dec 8, 2011 10:36 AM MST up reply actions  

Talk about misconstruing!

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 10:38 AM MST up reply actions  

source?

"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker

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by Resolution on Dec 8, 2011 10:40 AM MST up reply actions  

unimpeachable...

We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!

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by Junction Rox on Dec 8, 2011 11:04 AM MST up reply actions  

unpossible.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 11:05 AM MST up reply actions  

I don't have access to books....

But their $85 million payroll (plus or minus) and their stated model of 50% of rev’s on payroll imputes a $180 million gross revenues ballpark figure. With new revenue growth opportunities (ticket price hikes, new broadcasting and stadium deals coming, etc.) I suspect $200 million is doable the next couple or three years.

One can also do a bottoms-up estimate and come up with similar figures. FWIW, the Rox franchise is probably worth close to Houston’s, which just got sold for $600 million.

by GoRoxGo on Dec 8, 2011 10:00 AM MST up reply actions  

Haven't they said in the past that they can go to a $100M payroll?

We talked a lot about that last year. It’s been speculated, but perhaps the reason we’re not there is that there hasn’t been a $15-20m/year FA that could play 2B, LF and SP all at once.

by deacs on Dec 8, 2011 10:04 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

That's a future projection

That amount of revenue is likely not with the team now. I’d guess that at $170 million revenues they can in the short term go up to around $89 million without causing long term harm to future spending levels. The question is whether that would be worth it for this team as currently constituted. I would have said so last year at this time, right now, I’m not so sure.

by Rox Girl on Dec 8, 2011 10:09 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Right, but GRG

is speculating that $200M in revenue is in the team’s future, which means $100M in payroll by 2015 would be possible.

Even then, let’s say there is at least $70M committed to players after the 2014 season. That doesn’t leave enough money to make a big splash. So, even if GRG’s projections are correct, the Rockies still can’t do anything close to what the Angels did today. If the Marlins stop at Reyes and Buehrle, that is a possibility.

by deacs on Dec 8, 2011 10:12 AM MST up reply actions  

If you said it a year ago...

you shouldn’t change that stance now. Baseball is unpredictable. This year’s risks of spending are no greater than last year’s.

by GoRoxGo on Dec 8, 2011 10:12 AM MST up reply actions  

The team's position in the division has changed over the last year,

you should be the first of all people to be aware of this, unless your position has changed in the last five minutes.

by Rox Girl on Dec 8, 2011 10:16 AM MST up reply actions  

You mean they've worsened the team...

and we have a bigger hill to climb? I’d posit that perceptions were wrong a year ago, but that the reality of our chances are about the same.

by GoRoxGo on Dec 8, 2011 10:25 AM MST up reply actions  

Then I would have been wrong a year ago about it being the right time to go out on a financial limb.

And then O’Dowd would have made the right call standing pat at the time. Go figure.

by Rox Girl on Dec 8, 2011 10:32 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Yesterday you were getting on my case for

my “suspicion” about line drive hitters, calling it “magical thinking,” which is why I’ll point out that your belief here that the Rockies might be just as much a fantasy without any sort of hard evidence. Forbes estimates are a lot of BS, we know this, or Toronto and a couple other clubs would be in the competitive balance draft for their low revenue.

I will say that I think the Rockies are cash flow positive, and I’ve never really had a problem with this as long as ownership turns some of that money back to the team.

by Rox Girl on Dec 8, 2011 9:59 AM MST up reply actions  

False equivalency...

To equate a belief that a certain hitting style (line-drive style) retards human aging is not the same as derviving beliefs about a business’s profit levels based on observed evidence.

I can see what the Rockies are doing as well as any other fan can see (shedding salaries and not signing any new players to megacontracts). If this continues through the offseason, in light of ticket price hikes and a likely 3 mm gate again next year, I can surmise we are looking at a cash cow with supernormal free cash flow levels. It’s not “magical thinking” so much as it’s empircal thinking.

However, that said, I expect team payroll to get to $90 million soon, which is 50% of revenue. That’s industry norm.

by GoRoxGo on Dec 8, 2011 10:10 AM MST up reply actions  

You really like that word

"Some guy on the net thinks I suck, and he should know - he's got his own blog." - Nick Hornby
"Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est"
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 8, 2011 10:11 AM MST up reply actions  

Also, you're ignoring the Monforts raised tix prices once from 2006-10

while doubling payroll. No credit for that?

"Some guy on the net thinks I suck, and he should know - he's got his own blog." - Nick Hornby
"Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est"
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 8, 2011 10:12 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Strawman argument...

Rather than give “credit”, I could be chiding them for milking excess profits when they knew they couldn’t compete (2003 – 2005). Doubling payroll levels from eggregiously low levels, given our market, does not earn brownie points.

by GoRoxGo on Dec 8, 2011 10:15 AM MST up reply actions  

Is this Woody Paige?

Just a small town kid who thinks Coors Field on a sunny summer Saturday night is the best place to be on this or any other plane of existence. When a late-inning Todd Helton go-ahead homerun is added to this scenario, my brain melts.

by Gasstation1 on Dec 8, 2011 10:15 AM MST up reply actions  

I can't stand Woody...

He once called me a “sourpuss”.

by GoRoxGo on Dec 8, 2011 10:17 AM MST up reply actions  

Wait, you know Woody?

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 10:18 AM MST up reply actions  

Correction...

I called him a sourpuss (when we got Mike Lansing, he hated it). Turned out he was right. That was back in the days I was more of an optimist.

by GoRoxGo on Dec 8, 2011 10:19 AM MST up reply actions  

Yes but did you call him a sourpuss to his face?

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 10:21 AM MST up reply actions  

Where did you see him

that you could do this?

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 10:25 AM MST up reply actions  

Larry Walker has/had a bar?

Cool, is it still open?

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 10:29 AM MST up reply actions  

Yes he did...

and No, it is no longer open.

by GoRoxGo on Dec 8, 2011 10:31 AM MST up reply actions  

So, let's pretend there's $30M to spend

and still holes at LF, 2B, and SP to fill. What would you do with the money?

Because that’s not enough to do what the Angels or Marlins did.

by deacs on Dec 8, 2011 10:19 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Three possible fixes...

1) Get a Vernon Wells type at a discount.

2) Trade Smith/Street for Prado or Lowrie (oops).

3) Sign Edwin Jackson or trade for Nolasco or equivalent.

by GoRoxGo on Dec 8, 2011 10:21 AM MST up reply actions  

Anyone

Advocating we get a Vernon Wells-type loses all credibility with me.

by Traindogger on Dec 8, 2011 10:22 AM MST up reply actions   2 recs

Vernon Wells?

/thud

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 10:23 AM MST up reply actions  

The latter two can be done without increasing payroll next year

But the second would appear to require a major prospect, which might cripple financial flexibility in the future by limiting the ability of the team to fill holes with cheap, good young talent.

by deacs on Dec 8, 2011 10:26 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

How is there any difference to the success of a team

between signing would-be star FAs and open market star FAs beyond perception?

The difference remains, as I said earlier, that the Angels can cover mistakes, have had better luck developing good talent, and have better role players. E

by deacs on Dec 8, 2011 10:14 AM MST up reply actions  

Oye...

If I change your position like you changed mine, it would be something like me saying that you believe that owners make money by growing cash trees in their backyards.

I never said anything about a line drive swing slowing human aging, baseball players with certain skill types could be less averse to standard player regression, a line drive swing might fall into that category. I just don’t think there’s been enough evidence presented to know either way, but the observed evidence is about as much there as it is for your beliefs about the owners profitability.

by Rox Girl on Dec 8, 2011 10:15 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

We all speculate...

These are all opinions. I’m not stating this as fact.

by GoRoxGo on Dec 8, 2011 10:17 AM MST up reply actions  

what's usually sad about most of our "well-informed assumptions"

Is that they usually really are not nearly as informed as we like to think. I definitely include a lot of my own in this category. I really do think you’re on the wrong track with a couple of your assumptions about the Monforts profitability with the Rockies, or maybe on the right track, just taking them well past the end of their realistic limits.

by Rox Girl on Dec 8, 2011 10:29 AM MST up reply actions  

All I've said is their gross profit is 50%...

which is industry norm, and that perhaps they could consider investment spending and taking it temporarily below 40% (to 30%). It’s more of a suggestion of how they could get the franchise to the next level and, yes, it involves risk. I’m not berating them for not doing it, by the way.

by GoRoxGo on Dec 8, 2011 10:34 AM MST up reply actions  

I'd like to see the model/precedent of a 70% revenue to payroll club...

I’m guessing Milwaukee might be something like around 56%, which is about as far as I’d be comfortable taking it. I’d actually like the Monforts to go a bit more this direction too, but I think you carry it to a crippling extreme with your numbers.

by Rox Girl on Dec 8, 2011 10:37 AM MST up reply actions  

Significantly more in fact

MLB staff, MiLB staff, Coors lease, Salt River lease, Coors employees, team travel, equipment etc etc etc

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 8, 2011 10:41 AM MST up reply actions  

/hardtofollow

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 10:42 AM MST up reply actions  

OK, then pick a number you're more...

comfortable with. 35%, 40%, whatever. I think even a 10% reduction in gross margin gives us close to $20 million more for our payroll, which if well spent could win us a division title in a weak division.

by GoRoxGo on Dec 8, 2011 10:52 AM MST up reply actions  

10% in gross margin = $20mil

Now you’re saying the gross margin is $200million?

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 8, 2011 10:55 AM MST up reply actions  

REVENUES....

in two or three years. 10% of that is $20 million.

by GoRoxGo on Dec 8, 2011 11:01 AM MST up reply actions  

Sorry, I'm lost

You want them to take 10% off over 2 to 3 years to increase payroll by $20mil for one season?

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 8, 2011 11:03 AM MST up reply actions  

No, not correct...

I was saying a 10% cut in gross margins, from 50% to 40%, would mean another $20 million of ANNUAL payroll, not just for one year. However, if it makes us big winners, revenues would climb and take margins back toward 50%.

by GoRoxGo on Dec 8, 2011 11:05 AM MST up reply actions  

But their gross margin is not 50%

NOT.

No way.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 11:06 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

You're also spending money

that even you say won’t come in for 2-3 years.

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by Junction Rox on Dec 8, 2011 11:10 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Seriously,

even with your fuzzy math, I see the point. But out payroll was $90 million in 2011. That’s not bad at all. What we need to work on is how to spend that wisely, not spending more of it. We have failed to do that on a regular basis.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 10:57 AM MST up reply actions   2 recs

We have dual issues....

Allocation of resources and level of resources. I agree.

by GoRoxGo on Dec 8, 2011 11:03 AM MST up reply actions  

Did I miss some data here?

I seriously doubt that their gross profit margin is 50%. There’s more than just player salary in club expenses.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 10:38 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

It appears he is calling player salaries "cost of revenue"

and looking at the difference between gross revenue and payroll as “gross profit”, before overhead.

Which isn’t actually a bad way of looking at things, but enormously misleading if you never once consider how much overhead the club, but instead skip directly to assumptions about unreasonable profit and the ability to reduce gross profit by as much as 20% without any negative impact.

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by Junction Rox on Dec 8, 2011 10:44 AM MST up reply actions  

Those bobbleheads aren't cheap!!!

Seriously, if you could clear 50% by owning a baseball team, people would be killing each other to buy baseball teams.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 10:46 AM MST up reply actions  

Overhead would come out of that 50%

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by Junction Rox on Dec 8, 2011 11:08 AM MST up reply actions  

and by overhead

I’m talking front office, stadium costs, scouting staff, the Dominican academy, minor league player costs, draft signing bonuses, marketing and advertising, etc.

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by Junction Rox on Dec 8, 2011 11:09 AM MST up reply actions  

So you're being critical of the Monforts

for not being the only franchise not to take the extreme position of putting 60-70% of revenue towards payroll? I could see if they were operating at 40% based on your informed presumptions. But when they are well within industry norm, why the harsh criticism, especially based on assumptions?

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 8, 2011 10:40 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Where am I criticizing them?

I’d be tempted to milk the cow too, if I owned them. What I’m doing is proposing a model to boost franchise success, which leads to increased franchise value. It’s not about year-to-year free cash flow anyway, it’s about increasing the equity value of a franchise. A virtuous circle of propserity would be one way to do it.

by GoRoxGo on Dec 8, 2011 10:51 AM MST up reply actions  

They are trying the "virtuous circle of prosperity" deal right now

You’re too intent to see them as purely nefarious money-grubbers to see that, though. Instead, your described “virtuous circle of prosperity” is actually a “charity to superstar baseball players and cheap fans” at the expense of a billionaire. It’s not actually a circle.

by Rox Girl on Dec 8, 2011 10:54 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Confused by your rhetoric...

I see them as nefarious? Money grubbers? No I don’t. At worst, I see them as non-visionary businessmen. And aggressive visionary, a-la Steve Jobs, would ramp up the talent level. We aren’t so far.

You can’t see what I mean about virtuous circle, I’ve noticed. I won’t repeat myself here.

by GoRoxGo on Dec 8, 2011 10:57 AM MST up reply actions  

So you want that "temporarily"?

I assume then, that you’ll be perfectly happy when they revert to 50%, and not complain about them cutting payroll, or not investing any portion of some new revenue source into payroll?

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by Junction Rox on Dec 8, 2011 10:42 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

If well spent, the gross margin rebounds

with revenue burst. Ticket prices go higher for a division winner, and attendance rises. We once could average 47k per game, now we average 35k. That is a 12k opportunity.

by GoRoxGo on Dec 8, 2011 10:54 AM MST up reply actions  

And you won't complain that they don't put

the extra ticket sales back into payroll, but instead raise their gross profit back to where it was?

I have to say I’m skeptical.

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by Junction Rox on Dec 8, 2011 11:12 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Tulo and Cargo contracts were investment spending

They will be a key combo like Pujols and Wilson. There’s no difference between signing two would be FAs to massive contracts and signing two FAs to massive contracts.

The reason that it looks different today is because the Angels a) have the ability to spend to overcome errors (Hunter and Wells), and b) have had more prospects pan out (Santana, Weaver, Kendrick, Bourjos) than the Rockies have in recent years.

Also, that scenario is spending on major FAs doesn’t account for failure. If they are busts and the team loses, revenue declines through poor attendance, merch sales, etc.

by deacs on Dec 8, 2011 9:35 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Obviously there is a reason they are keeping payroll at a certain point

They have done it for a couple years now. They invested in Tulo and Cargo and figured that would be a good investment, it was so far as attendance increased in 2011. However, they have figured that the business remains profitable at a certain point and after that it is too risky to spend anymore. Plain and simple I believe we have Approx $10-$12 million to spend to keep the payroll the same as last year.

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 9:35 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Umm ...

While 13 of 30 clubs saw paid attendance declines (one, the Rockies, were almost flat down just 0.05%), some of the increases were seen in both expected, and unexpected places.

http://bizofbaseball.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5448:analysis-final-mlb-attendance-for-2011-regular-season&catid=26:editorials&Itemid=39

by Traindogger on Dec 8, 2011 9:41 AM MST up reply actions  

I thought we were up about 34,532

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 9:46 AM MST up reply actions  

We were

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 8, 2011 9:52 AM MST up reply actions  

Not sure ...

Why the discrepancy … Biz of Baseball usually solid on their #’s.

by Traindogger on Dec 8, 2011 9:59 AM MST up reply actions  

They could be right actually

In my head, the attendance was flat though.

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 8, 2011 10:02 AM MST up reply actions  

Math hurts my brain

But the Bizz site # refers to average attendance being down .05%:

http://bizofbaseball.com/FinalMLBAttendance2011.htm

by Traindogger on Dec 8, 2011 10:04 AM MST up reply actions  

I found the issue

Notice the attendance for the first Florida Marlins game on April 24th here. The April 23rd game was rained out and since the Marlins were not coming back to Coors after that visit the tickets for that game were refended and the other two games became a single admission double header.

The Rockies did draw 34,532 more people to the ball park in 2011 but they did it with one more game to work with (notice also on the Bizz site that under 2010 games it says 80 instead of 81)

So in 2010 the Rockies did average more people per game (but it was only be 17 fans).

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 8, 2011 10:19 AM MST up reply actions  

I didn't have to look it up.

I want credit too. :(

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 10:24 AM MST up reply actions  

He did say "guyS"

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 8, 2011 10:28 AM MST up reply actions  

I thought Albert Pujols got the big bucks

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 8, 2011 10:27 AM MST up reply actions  

This is because of the

double-header against the Marlins in 2010. Our per game attendance was down but our overall attendance was up. (Less games in 2010)

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 10:20 AM MST up reply actions  

Ninja'd.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 10:20 AM MST up reply actions  

I don't really know how to ask the question

But the answer to the question you posed should be enough to get me where I want to go.

by deacs on Dec 8, 2011 9:27 AM MST up reply actions  

I believe Rockies gross revenues are around $180 million now...

and probably passes $200 million in the next couple years.

by GoRoxGo on Dec 8, 2011 9:33 AM MST up reply actions  

Cite your source

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 8, 2011 9:35 AM MST up reply actions  

I actually see this too,

But on the outside of that range. The Tulo and Cargo deals are pretty clear indicators of this, actually.

by Rox Girl on Dec 8, 2011 9:37 AM MST up reply actions  

Considering payroll = 50% of revenues rule

It is a fair assumption. I’m just fishing in case he has more concrete information.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 8, 2011 9:41 AM MST up reply actions  

Up $20 million dollars?

Why, we sucked last year? Did you see the empty seats at the end of last year/?

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 9:38 AM MST up reply actions  

Player payroll isn't the only expense in running the club.

The gross margin is most certainly not 50%.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 10:40 AM MST up reply actions  

I say no until the economic conditions change

the team either has to double ticket prices, get a lucrative TV contract, or a better lease agreement with the city/county. Or some combination of the above. Until that happens, I don’t see any owner approving this kind of expenditure for our team.

by Rox Girl on Dec 8, 2011 9:22 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

No your right

Payroll is/has been very much linked to revenue (40% I think). So, unless revenue suddenly makes a massive push northward, we will not see this kind of expenditure.

by mkorpal on Dec 8, 2011 9:25 AM MST up reply actions  

this is correct,

And it’s not too far off of industry standard, right around the MLB average (the NFL’s something like 48%, NBA was at 52%, NHL slightly higher). Given that the Monforts’ primary business is the Rockies now, I don’t see them getting money from other sources now to pay for it, but I could see them trying to get more revenue from one or more of the above sources. It will grow organically, otherwise, but that won’t allow us to keep up with LA/SF.

by Rox Girl on Dec 8, 2011 9:28 AM MST up reply actions  

It comes back to my question above...

Are the Rockies a cash cow or a growth stock to the Monforts? All indications are that it’s a cash cow, and the tell this offseason is the need to shed contracts before adding new payroll.

by GoRoxGo on Dec 8, 2011 9:32 AM MST up reply actions  

Why couldn't it be both?

I think this is the most likely case. They have been increasing payroll gradually, which is the tell of that.

by Rox Girl on Dec 8, 2011 9:34 AM MST up reply actions  

Most pro teams are cash cows, not growth stocks

this is why we hear owners bitching about barely breaking even or taking a loss all the time, even when the team is successful and located in a stable, sizable market.

At the end of the day, few owners love the team enough to continually pump their own money in to make it successful.

by deacs on Dec 8, 2011 9:38 AM MST up reply actions  

I don't see your wink.

I can’t believe anything you say anymore.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 9:23 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

So funny, it hurts.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 9:52 AM MST up reply actions  

Why doesn't securing players we already have long term count?

That’s still comitting huge chunks of cash to two of the games best players.

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 8, 2011 9:25 AM MST up reply actions  

Because those players aren't Pujols...

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 9:25 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

There is a difference

We didn’t drastically change the team like the Angels and Marlins have.

by mkorpal on Dec 8, 2011 9:25 AM MST up reply actions  

You don't think signing CarGo and Tulo

long term changes the team? I think it does, because we know we have them and aren’t having to be concerned about them jumping ship at FA.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 9:28 AM MST up reply actions  

Um, no

We had them the year before… It’s not like we went out and added several players who we expect to take us to the world series.

not saying it wasn’t important, but you can’t compare that to signing Pujols and Wilson.

by mkorpal on Dec 8, 2011 9:29 AM MST up reply actions  

Um....really? Um?

I think it’s equivalent. If they would have hit FA and a bidding war started we would have been out…

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 9:43 AM MST up reply actions  

Ah but we did

We just drastically changed it from 2014 on instead of right away.

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 8, 2011 9:29 AM MST up reply actions  

Serious question - would we want them to?

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 8, 2011 9:32 AM MST up reply actions  

I would love to be the Angels or Marlins today

I don’t envy them in 2016

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by Muzia on Dec 8, 2011 9:33 AM MST up reply actions  

That's the question

The Rockies COULD be that aggressive, but with the small margins, they’d be doomed in a few years for sure, and it isn’t as if the Marlins have a guaranteed World Series coming, much less division title.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 8, 2011 9:34 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

The Marlins are taking a massive risk in my opinion.

They need the fanbase to show up and spend or they may be sunk. I know we give them crap for being as frugal as they have been, but really thats what revenue supported. And the Rays have proven that a good team doesn’t necessarily draw fans in.

by mkorpal on Dec 8, 2011 9:38 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Exactly.

It’s nice, but 1998 was painful to watch for Marlins fans, and 1998-2002 were horrendous years.

by deacs on Dec 8, 2011 9:39 AM MST up reply actions  

Not really.

More like 1998 and 1999. 2000 through 2002 they showed a ton of young talent in a very difficult division.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 9:55 AM MST up reply actions  

True, I just looked at the division placing

not the records. Those weren’t bad years.

by deacs on Dec 8, 2011 9:57 AM MST up reply actions  

If you look at those lineups from 2000–2002

and saw what happened to those players, you can see why they were interesting. They don’t get nearly enough credit for putting together the 2003 team.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 9:59 AM MST up reply actions  

Problem is...

Is that this time their farm system is atrocious, so they won’t be able to bounce back like they were able to that time.

Of course, with Wilson and Pujols off the list of potential clients, I don’t think the team added enough to gain a ton of ground. Buehrle, Reyes and the amount gained from Nunez to Bell don’t account for 18 wins, even with the gains they can expect from their younger talent maturing and Johnson’s return.

I think the Marlins are still at least a big piece short of becoming playoff contenders. Should be interesting to see who else they try to add, though…

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by cthabeerman on Dec 8, 2011 10:08 AM MST up reply actions  

This is a complete a total non sequitur.

Are you sure you’re not in denial here? ;)

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 10:09 AM MST up reply actions  

I might be wrong, but I’m not in denial.

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by cthabeerman on Dec 8, 2011 10:19 AM MST up reply actions  

I know.

It’s just funny when you chimed in with that during a conversation about the 2000–2002 Marlins. It doesn’t really apply to the recent Marlins moves. What they’re doing now is a lot more like the 1997 Marlins. The 2003 Marlins were not a “bought” club as some try to make it out.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 10:23 AM MST up reply actions  

Also, it’s two different points, rather than a non sequitur. The first part relates to whether the team can bounce back from a fire sale like it did after the 1998 fire sale, the second part is merely my stance on the current ballclub.

-C

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by cthabeerman on Dec 8, 2011 10:23 AM MST up reply actions  

Ahhh.

But if you’re comparing a post-WS 2012 or 2013 club with the 1997 club, it’s important that a lot of the great young talent that led to the 2003 team came as a result of the fire sale. Lee, Penny, Lowell, Burnett, Looper, et al came from transactions during the fire sale years. They could try that again and it won;t matter how their farm system is right now. They just need a Josh Beckett and to sign another Cabrera. That’s mostly all they had.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 10:30 AM MST up reply actions  

Penny came from Mantei, who didn’t pitch in 1997, was a FA and later re-signed with the Marlins. Traded halfway through 1999. Imo, not a match for the fire sale, as he wasn’t an integral part of the first WS in the first place and was a free agent after 1997 besides. Burnett spot-started four games in 2003, losing two, and didn’t pitch in the postseason, so he’s hardly an integral part of that season or championship.

They did get three big position players in Pierre, Lee, and Lowell, and their closer in Looper, but that’s about it.

A lot of the talent that was on the 2003 team (Castillo, Pudge, the entire rotation) didn’t come from the fire sale. Some of it was in the farm system at the time, some was later acquired in the draft and in international signings, and some came from trades in 2002. You can hardly place the weight of the 2003 WS on the fire sale’s shoulders.

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by cthabeerman on Dec 8, 2011 12:17 PM MST up reply actions  

This not what I said.

I said this:

it’s important that a lot of the great young talent that led to the 2003 team came as a result of the fire sale.

You said:

They did get three big position players in Pierre, Lee, and Lowell, and their closer in Looper, but that’s about it.

Three starters and a closer seems like a lot to me. I’m not placing everything on the fire sale. I said above:

They don’t get nearly enough credit for putting together the 2003 team.

That wasn’t just through the fire sale, but they did get a great haul from it.

I don’t get why you need to argue something like this. I made a good point. It’d be nice if you’d just acknowledge and say something like, “Yes. But it wasn’t just the fire sale.” We’re not debating life or death here. It’s baseball.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 12:33 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

I wasn't arguing the points you think I was arguing...
They could try that again and it won;t matter how their farm system is right now. They just need a Josh Beckett and to sign another Cabrera. That’s mostly all they had.

That’s false, and that’s why I argued it.

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by cthabeerman on Dec 8, 2011 12:37 PM MST up reply actions  

I don’t get why you need to argue something like this.

Conversely, why did you try to argue my point?? I said the farm system wasn’t good enough to pull the team back into contention if a fire sale were to occur, and you felt the need to chime in.

We’re both guilty, if one is. Pot, meet kettle.

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by cthabeerman on Dec 8, 2011 12:45 PM MST up reply actions  

I actually wasn't arguing. That's the point.

I was just mentioning how, when looking back, the Marlins did a lot of rebuilding of their farm system through the fire sale. This was supporting your point that the Marlins do not have a good farm system now, but also saying that that could change.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 12:53 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Anyway, this whole thing started from a light-hearted comment. I’m sorry if you saw that comment as some sort of incitement. I put a wink there on purpose.

I really have no interest in arguing about the 2003 Marlins. I just really wanted to say this:

If you look at those lineups from 2000–2002
and saw what happened to those players, you can see why they were interesting. They don’t get nearly enough credit for putting together the 2003 team.

There is nothing incorrect nor misleading about that. Ignore everything else I’ve said as incredibly misinformed and incorrect if you’d like. Thanks.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 1:02 PM MST up reply actions  

Never disagreed with the quoted portion. Just stated it’s nothing like their current situation, if they’re forced into a fire sale because of these salaries.

-C

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by cthabeerman on Dec 8, 2011 1:06 PM MST up reply actions  

How was....
But if you’re comparing a post-WS 2012 or 2013 club with the 1997 club, it’s important that a lot of the great young talent that led to the 2003 team came as a result of the fire sale.

and

They could try that again and it won;t matter how their farm system is right now.

agreeing with me??

If you were agreeing with me, that’s about the worst possible way to convey that notion.

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by cthabeerman on Dec 8, 2011 1:03 PM MST up reply actions  

Gotta sign Prince Fielder and not have to worry about him for his age 36-42 seasons. Profitttttt

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by Resolution on Dec 8, 2011 9:35 AM MST up reply actions  

Think about this for a moment

Six weeks ago today, the Rangers and Cardinals played game Six of the World Series – Which begs the question, have fans of two teams who went to the World Series together ever each been this upset at the baseball gods this soon after the Fall classic?

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 8, 2011 9:28 AM MST reply actions  

At least the Cardinals won in their last season of Pujols

The Rangers were so close to their first championship and now it seems so far away….

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by MattBerger on Dec 8, 2011 9:33 AM MST up reply actions  

Absolutely, they should give the Angels a run for their money and compete for at least the wildcard

But the competitiveness in the AL just got way more intense.

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by MattBerger on Dec 8, 2011 9:35 AM MST up reply actions  

I can't wait to watch these two team battle it out over the next few season for a divsion title that will really matter

(Especially since the loser will probably be playing the Red Sox or Yankees in a one game playoff)

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 8, 2011 9:37 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

If they don’t extend Weaver, by 2014 both Weaver and Haren are gone. Vernon Wells will still be there for one last season. There’s a scenario where their pitching attrition leaves them kind of screwed.

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by Resolution on Dec 8, 2011 9:42 AM MST up reply actions  

I gotta find a better source for contracts. Thanks!

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by Resolution on Dec 8, 2011 9:47 AM MST up reply actions  

Cots is a good place

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 8, 2011 9:48 AM MST up reply actions  

Yea I used to use it, but then started looking at rotoworld for some reason – I think it’s just easier to get one player’s info. Probably should switch back.

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by Resolution on Dec 8, 2011 9:50 AM MST up reply actions  

Cot’s is THE place, as far as I’m concerned. #1 bookmark used on all of my computers.

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by cthabeerman on Dec 8, 2011 10:09 AM MST up reply actions  

/snort

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Twitter post

BREAKING: After signing #Pujols and CJ Wilson for $325 mil, the #Angels plan to change their name to the "Los Angeles Yankees of Anaheim"

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 9:48 AM MST reply actions   1 recs

I really wish we would have known before now

how badly Pujols and Wilson clearly wanted to play with Chris Iannetta….

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by Junction Rox on Dec 8, 2011 9:54 AM MST reply actions   2 recs

You can hear Pujols with his agent on the phone

Pujols: Oh shit they don’t have Chatwood anymore??!?
Agent: Yup, he was sent to rot in CO
Pujols: Thank God – lets do this.

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by Resolution on Dec 8, 2011 9:56 AM MST up reply actions  

CJ Wilson to agent:

“Did you get extra money for all the strikes I’m going to lose?”

Agent: “Yep, there’s a premium built into the contract.”

by Northsider1964 on Dec 8, 2011 12:05 PM MST up reply actions  

hahaha

calling oldfoagie, oldfoagie to the soapbox pls

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by El Paso Jeff on Dec 8, 2011 12:45 PM MST up reply actions  

Holy carp! I didn't even think about this.

Heh. CDI might get a ring much sooner now.. Poor Todd is sad at Cracker Barrel again.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 10:01 AM MST up reply actions  

TIL?

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 10:04 AM MST up reply actions  

Thanks

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 10:09 AM MST up reply actions  

what if it's on fire?

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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 8, 2011 10:09 AM MST up reply actions  

You would be sad

outside of the cracker barrel.

by hotdoglady on Dec 8, 2011 10:10 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

You're arguing the semantics of "at"

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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 8, 2011 10:13 AM MST up reply actions  

Yes she is

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 10:16 AM MST up reply actions  

fine

TIL: you can never be sad at inside of a cracker barrel.

by hotdoglady on Dec 8, 2011 10:16 AM MST up reply actions  

what if it's on fire

and the door is chained shut?

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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 8, 2011 10:18 AM MST up reply actions  

Is there still gravy?

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by Muzia on Dec 8, 2011 10:18 AM MST up reply actions  

the cooks dumped it on the fire to try to put it out, but it only made it spread.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 8, 2011 10:23 AM MST up reply actions  

You'd be dead at Cracker Barrel

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 10:18 AM MST up reply actions  

Well, I've never been to Cracker Barrel

but I’ll bet if I were sad, and I were in a Cracker Barrel, that would make me sad at Cracker Barrel.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 10:12 AM MST up reply actions  

I've worked there on a day where three bus loads of people came in at the same time and trust me

You can be sad at the Cracker Barrel

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 8, 2011 10:23 AM MST up reply actions  

READ and LEARN!

TIL what TIL means…

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by Junction Rox on Dec 8, 2011 10:47 AM MST up reply actions  

That was my first thought: CDI's gonna get a ring.

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by glaucophane on Dec 8, 2011 10:09 AM MST up reply actions  

YES!!!


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by butterfly on Dec 8, 2011 10:15 AM MST up reply actions  

Obvious lineup hole is obvious

Dex
2B (because they always bat here)
Cargo
Tulo
Smith/Willingham (might as well…)
Helton
Hernandez/Arenado
Arenado/Rosario
P

by Purple Row Troll on Dec 8, 2011 9:55 AM MST reply actions  

You mean #5?

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 9:57 AM MST up reply actions  

More like

Dex
2B
CarGo
Tulo
Helton
Willingham
Stewart
Hernandez/Rosario

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by MattBerger on Dec 8, 2011 9:59 AM MST up reply actions  

Helton no bat #5 in 2012.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 10:00 AM MST up reply actions  

That lineup is

S
?
L
R
L
R
L
R

Helton/Giambi bats 5th because OBP and for splitting up righties/lefties. I can see him batting 6th when Arenado comes up, but for all intents and purposes, we gotta project this season as if Stewart’s starting right now.

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by MattBerger on Dec 8, 2011 10:04 AM MST up reply actions  

The FO has made it clear that they want a #5 hitter because they don’t have one and they can’t rely on Todd and he misses 30–40 games per year. He is only batting #5 if we make no moves. IF we get Willingham or Cuddyer, they will bat in the five hole.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 10:06 AM MST up reply actions  

Todd + Giambi put up a higher OPS + than Willingham

Besides, it wouldn’t last too long anyways, because Arenado replacing Stewart changes the complexion of the lineup.

Doesn’t change the fact that Tracy is going to do things his way anyways. The Rockies practically eliminated all elimination for Iannetta and Tracy still found ways to bench him.

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by MattBerger on Dec 8, 2011 10:11 AM MST up reply actions  

I’m not sure many people expect Todd to do what he did last year. I think the FO plan is a good one.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 10:14 AM MST up reply actions  

I agree

but this is still a transition year. Until Todd proves otherwise, he should stay in the #5. We also don’t know what kind of second baseman we get; if it’s Chone Figgins I suspect he leads off, followed by Dex, Tulo, CarGo, Willingham, Helton, Rosario/Hernandez, then Stewart/Arenado. If it’s Prado then it’s the lineup I projected earlier. It’s nothing against Willingham and pro Helton, it’s simply that Helton and Willingham by themselves we’re pretty equal and the lineup rotation just works that way.

Even if we get Willingham, there are too many questions at this point. I’m pretty confident that Stewart and Pacheco platoon though.

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by MattBerger on Dec 8, 2011 10:38 AM MST up reply actions  

but this is still a transition year.

I agree with this, and I think it’s been brushed under the rug a bit during the winter meetings. The pieces of the rotation that we expect to be really good in 2013 are still question marks for 2012.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 8, 2011 10:41 AM MST up reply actions  

I keep seeing this

but I don’t like it.

The second year after signing Tulo and Cargo to longterm deals, and perhaps the last productive year from Helton (if we’re lucky) should not be a “transition year”.

I don’t like the mindset that “transition year” implies.

by maris61 on Dec 8, 2011 10:44 AM MST up reply actions  

Agreed

this should be a “transition year” from a team with no championships to a team with one :-D

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 8, 2011 10:50 AM MST up reply actions  

If our rotation looked like:

Chacin
DLR
Nicasio
Pom
White

I think that we are in very very good shape. However, two of those are big question marks for 2012. Looking at 2013 gives us a better idea of what DLR and Nicasio are going to bring when healthy and gives Pom another year of seasoning. Chacin too, for that matter. So I’d be wary of signing a big arm now because things look pretty rosy in the future. But signing an impact bat now still means the rotation for next year is questionable.

So in short, I’ll be optimistic for 2012, but really looking at 2013 to feel really competitive.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 8, 2011 11:04 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Whew!

I was starting to think I was the only one.

by RoxnSox09 on Dec 8, 2011 11:07 AM MST up reply actions  

Can San Diego...

Just send our PTBNL up to Minnesota and save everybody a little paperwork?

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by Since1993 on Dec 8, 2011 10:01 AM MST reply actions  

VivaElBirdos is surprisingly not upset

that Albert is leaving.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 10:03 AM MST reply actions  

They got his best seasons and two rings. I suppose they should feel pretty good to have had him for 11 years.

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by Franchise26 on Dec 8, 2011 10:05 AM MST up reply actions  

as someone on Twitter said

Cardinals got the Beatles, Angels got all the solo stuff

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by Muzia on Dec 8, 2011 10:07 AM MST up reply actions  

Musically, that's still quite a haul...

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by Since1993 on Dec 8, 2011 10:12 AM MST up reply actions  

But a haul of what?

Sure, there will be some “Starting Over”, some “Watching the Wheels”, some “Band on the Run” and “Imagine”.

But there’s going to be several years of “Let em In”, “No No Song”, “My Sweet Lord” and “Silly Love Songs”…

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What the heck is wrong with "My Sweet Lord?

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 10:57 AM MST up reply actions  

I'm still waiting for him to write more than 5 words

or include more than 4 notes in the melody.

I hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate that song. See how annoying it gets when somebody just repeats the same words over and over again?

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by Junction Rox on Dec 8, 2011 11:13 AM MST up reply actions  

/lovethissong

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 11:16 AM MST up reply actions  

Not really familiar with it...

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by Junction Rox on Dec 8, 2011 11:17 AM MST up reply actions  

But it was a prayer basically set to music.

It didn’t need more words…IMO

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 11:18 AM MST up reply actions  

Right.

Just like with You. You don;t need more words than the words that he has. The music is his words.

Also, My Sweet Lord is based off of chants.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 11:20 AM MST up reply actions  

This reminds me of "Amadeus"

Emperor Joseph II: My dear young man, don’t take it too hard. Your work is ingenious. It’s quality work. And there are simply too many notes, that’s all. Just cut a few and it will be perfect.
Mozart: Which few did you have in mind, Majesty?

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 11:24 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

This one isn't much better.

But a few more changes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipt1_N-6cl4

This is like George’s thing.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 11:19 AM MST up reply actions  

I kind of like Silly Love Songs too.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 10:58 AM MST up reply actions  

Actually, I am wrong. The boo birdos are coming out now. Oh well.

Guess they aren’t the best fans in baseball after all.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 10:10 AM MST up reply actions  

I'd do me a spot of lamentin.'

But I’d kinda figure that the last 5 years of that deal are going to drag the Angels down.

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by Since1993 on Dec 8, 2011 10:17 AM MST up reply actions  

I think those years would be worse

for an NL team – at least all he’ll have to do for the Angels is hit.

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 8, 2011 10:18 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

If he can still hit...

While juggling his relationship with Betty White.

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by Since1993 on Dec 8, 2011 10:20 AM MST up reply actions  

Who is?

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I'M A WINNER!

Thanks, TG.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 11:24 AM MST up reply actions  

Fair or Royals true believers

but the fact that STL is such a small market yet has been competing with the big boys says to me that on the whole STL fans are first rate. They gave Holliday a standing O after his nutshot cost them a playoff game in LA.

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by TomCat009 on Dec 8, 2011 11:44 AM MST up reply actions  

Best Fans in Baseball(tm)

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 10:07 AM MST up reply actions  

That's because they're smart and they know this is actually a good thing for thier team

The more causual fan in St. Louis is probably pissed off, though.

Does St. Louis have thier version of Woody Paige? That guy’s probably on fire today.

Just a small town kid who thinks Coors Field on a sunny summer Saturday night is the best place to be on this or any other plane of existence. When a late-inning Todd Helton go-ahead homerun is added to this scenario, my brain melts.

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See my caveat addition above. I was wrong

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 10:17 AM MST up reply actions  

Joe Strauss is Woody Paige bred with Mark Kizla

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by TomCat009 on Dec 8, 2011 11:23 AM MST up reply actions  

Oh dear god.

Just a small town kid who thinks Coors Field on a sunny summer Saturday night is the best place to be on this or any other plane of existence. When a late-inning Todd Helton go-ahead homerun is added to this scenario, my brain melts.

by Gasstation1 on Dec 8, 2011 12:47 PM MST up reply actions  

Scott Miller from CBS
Marlins offered Wilson $98-$99 million over 6 years. “If it was about the money, I’d be a Florida Marlin,” Wilson said.

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 10:25 AM MST reply actions  

Oh snap.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 10:25 AM MST up reply actions  

of course, for Pujols it was about the money and for Wilson – he wanted to play on a contender, and thus followed pujols, so it’s still about the money, just by association.

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by Resolution on Dec 8, 2011 10:26 AM MST up reply actions  

Actually, I think it’s mostly because he’s close to home.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 10:31 AM MST up reply actions  

When you don't even know the name of the team (Miami Marlins)

its a pretty good indication you’re not going to sign w/ them.

Boy is he going to have trouble in LA/Anaheim/Califormia

by maris61 on Dec 8, 2011 10:28 AM MST up reply actions  

haha I found that funny too

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 10:29 AM MST up reply actions  

Angels owner Artie Moreno paid Albert Pujols $254 million — $72 more million than he bought his team for in 2003. via @leahysean

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 10:28 AM MST reply actions  

Interesting stuff in Baseball today

Angels dishing out some stupid money to compete out east with New York and Boston… See the rox are interested in Willingham however at this point im not going to say much until i see DOD bring in a meanigful player instead of shipping them iut for PTBNL. Now i get to write a 10 page paper on a book i havent read… any takers? Ill find some really good compensation for you.

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code of the street

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by NastyNessy71 on Dec 8, 2011 10:31 AM MST up reply actions  

dang ittttttttttt

ive written 50 pages worth of essays the past 2 weeks and have absolutely no motivation to write this one

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by NastyNessy71 on Dec 8, 2011 10:33 AM MST up reply actions  

Why not read it?

It's my blog!

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300 pages

papers is due tomorrow. Seriously thought about buying a college essay online for like 25 bucks completely re editing it so its not plagarized at all and then add some more to it but idk how safe that is. I may just have to go to the ol fashioned way and read the 30 page introduction and 30 page conlsioin to summarize the book that way, pick random quotes within the book to help make it look like i read it and then somehow find a way to make it 10 pages. How I have no idea. Any ideas other than reading it haha?

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by NastyNessy71 on Dec 8, 2011 10:39 AM MST up reply actions  

damnnn

well i will keep that in mind for the future =)

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by NastyNessy71 on Dec 8, 2011 10:40 AM MST up reply actions  

If I'm honest, I'm a bit jealous...

so let’s shock the world and outbid the Bronx on Yu Darvish!

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by Since1993 on Dec 8, 2011 10:31 AM MST reply actions  

This is would be kinda cool.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 10:31 AM MST up reply actions  

If we had the resources, why not?

Assuming he gets a contract + posting fee in the Matsuzaka range, that’s around $17 AAV for a guy who is right up there with CJ Wilson for the title of “best pitcher in the FA market”.

And if this is about Japanese arms combusting in the States, 1) Darvish is half-Iranian, 2) he’s had a lot less wear on his arm then guys like Matsuzaka

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$100mil on a completely unproven arm?

yeah, that’s a really bad idea.

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by Muzia on Dec 8, 2011 10:36 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Completely unproven?

Hmmmm.

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by Muzia on Dec 8, 2011 10:39 AM MST up reply actions  

I'll give you "unproven"

but I’ll not concede “completely.” NPB + WBC success.

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by Since1993 on Dec 8, 2011 10:41 AM MST up reply actions  

I think it's also important to recognize that Matsuzaka had a good deal

of success in his first couple of years here, and Darvish’s stuff is reputedly even better. Frankly, Matsuzka’s arm fell off because he was overused in his early career — we heard stories of him tossing 250-pitch games in high school, and he had a lot more mileage from NPB before coming over here. You don’t get as much of that concern from Darvish.

by steakman on Dec 8, 2011 10:46 AM MST up reply actions  

Japanese players have a long history of transitioning to the American game.

Oh wait, no they don’t. At all.

Not worth the $100mil risk, even if he had Aroldis’ arm.

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by Muzia on Dec 8, 2011 10:46 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Your right

That Ichiro guy sucks hard.

It's Jim Tracy's Fault.

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Exception proving the rule.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 10:50 AM MST up reply actions  

Still, Rox aren't in position to bet on the exception

So might as well go with a blanket statement for our purposes.

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Hiroki Kuroda feels left out.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 10:51 AM MST up reply actions  

He always does

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 8, 2011 10:52 AM MST up reply actions  

:-(

If we sign him Andrew, you need to go to spring training and give him a hug.

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by Resolution on Dec 8, 2011 10:54 AM MST up reply actions  

As does

Bruce Chen, Matsui, Nomo, Park….

All had productive careers in MLB

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by wolf213 on Dec 8, 2011 10:52 AM MST up reply actions  

Bruce Chen is from Panama.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 10:55 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

h4x

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by Resolution on Dec 8, 2011 10:55 AM MST up reply actions  

And is Chinese.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 10:59 AM MST up reply actions  

Is it?

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 11:03 AM MST up reply actions  

yes

It's Jim Tracy's Fault.

by wolf213 on Dec 8, 2011 11:04 AM MST up reply actions  

Why?

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 11:05 AM MST up reply actions  

Your the prosecution here

prove that it is not.

It's Jim Tracy's Fault.

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Read the story.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 11:06 AM MST up reply actions  

I'm not prosecuting or persecuting.

You said it’s a minor detail. I’d like to know why you think so.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 11:07 AM MST up reply actions  

you really need to know when I'm joking around and

being sarcastic. I say minor detail when in reality its not, and its my way of saying, yes I was wrong.

It's Jim Tracy's Fault.

by wolf213 on Dec 8, 2011 11:10 AM MST up reply actions  

I really can't read your brand of humor

like at all then.

Include more winks and stuff.. that will help me.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 11:19 AM MST up reply actions  

yes but winks

take away from the dry sense of humor.

It's Jim Tracy's Fault.

by wolf213 on Dec 8, 2011 11:21 AM MST up reply actions  

Which leads to all the confusion

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 11:24 AM MST up reply actions  

As one who grew up in a baseball-obsessed Asian country (Taiwan)

I can attest to the fact that youth/high school baseball coaches in Asia push their pitchers far beyond what is appropriate and often damage their arms permanently. I think that’s why you’re seeing so many Asian pitchers break down in their early thirties whereas American-born pitchers might last into their early forties; they simply have more wear on their arms before they even throw a professional pitch.

It sounds like Darvish was protected from a lot of that overwork — correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think he even played HS baseball in Japan.

by steakman on Dec 8, 2011 10:51 AM MST up reply actions  

and still, that means nothing to me in the light of

$100million for posting + contract.

Someone will sign him, and I wish that team the best.

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by Muzia on Dec 8, 2011 10:53 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

But all of the other really big splashes...

are taken.

Well, OK, maybe not Cecil’s boy, yet, and whatever trade Boston makes for pitching. As a Rockies fan, I just feel so marginalised. It hurts, man, OK?

/sobs

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by Since1993 on Dec 8, 2011 11:34 AM MST up reply actions  

Willingham
Prado
Kuroda (….)

There’s still some good names out there.

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by Muzia on Dec 8, 2011 11:36 AM MST up reply actions  

You could have told me this

before I got all excited about Chin-hui Tsao…

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by Junction Rox on Dec 8, 2011 10:56 AM MST up reply actions  

I wouldn't use "completely unproven"

Sure, Japanese baseball is like AAA over here, but he’s been absolutely lights out

by steakman on Dec 8, 2011 10:39 AM MST up reply actions  

It's going to be a 120-140 million dollar investment

for a pitcher who has been dominating AA level competition. Thats like signing Pomeranz for that much cash.

And who cares about heritage. It’s all about the league he is coming from.

by mkorpal on Dec 8, 2011 10:37 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

I have a feeling we are saving our money for Yu

he probably has the best sinker baller for Coors ever or something…the INVISIpitch

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 10:36 AM MST up reply actions  

Renck tweets
Player going to Twins for slowey, who won’t be a 40-man guy,could be announced today.The pitcher rox get from pads likely announced tomorrow

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 10:31 AM MST reply actions  

There goes the outlandish theory of it being the same guy

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 8, 2011 10:33 AM MST up reply actions  

I still say that would save everyone a lot of hassle.

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by Since1993 on Dec 8, 2011 10:34 AM MST up reply actions  

Say, the Dodgers backloaded a contract!
@dylanohernandez: Harang’s deal w/ Dodgers official. $3M in 2012, $7M in 2013. $2 MM buyout for vesting option in 2014.

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by Muzia on Dec 8, 2011 10:33 AM MST reply actions  

Could be easily attainable, and would give the team some breathing room

It’s kind of a neat idea. Sort of like a mutual option. If the player doesn’t fit the team or whatever but his option vests, the team can still walk away for a price.

by deacs on Dec 8, 2011 10:41 AM MST up reply actions  

@truebluela
Now official: Dodgers will pay Harang, Capuano, Lilly, Guerrier, Uribe, Ellis, & Hairston $47.25 million in 2013 #ugh

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by Muzia on Dec 8, 2011 10:41 AM MST up reply actions  

OT(ish):

Danny Knobler of CBSSports.com was told by a Nationals’ person that it’s “95 percent” likely that Bryce Harper will make the team’s Opening Day roster.

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worked for Brandon Belt.

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by Muzia on Dec 8, 2011 10:33 AM MST up reply actions  

I saw a tweet

earlier today that they don’t want to start his ARB clock @ age 19
Heyman

davey wants bryce harper in bigs to start next year. but its doubtful #nats want to start his arb/FA clock at age 19

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 10:38 AM MST up reply actions  

I'm trying to guage the level of dichotomy and absurdity between

the Rockies acquiring as many #5 starters as exists on the market (exaggeration) and the Angels giving Pujols $325 million….

The Angels have hamstrung their payroll for years, and the Rockies are…..well I’m not sure what they are doing.

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by Jeffrey Morton on Dec 8, 2011 10:36 AM MST reply actions  

to put in perspective

it was like when the Nuggets had Billups, Lawson and AC and GK played all 3 of them YIKES

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by NastyNessy71 on Dec 8, 2011 10:37 AM MST up reply actions  

yeah...I'm just not sure what the Rox are doing....

If I had a better grasp of an actual plan I could probably get behind it.

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by Jeffrey Morton on Dec 8, 2011 10:40 AM MST up reply actions  

Acquire All The Young Arms

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by Muzia on Dec 8, 2011 10:40 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

So apparently the Rox have become Mennonites

and need young arms to build their barns

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by Jeffrey Morton on Dec 8, 2011 10:43 AM MST up reply actions  

what i think is

whatever doesn’t make the rotation with all the arms they get will be mid relievers in the pen and then you have Lindstrom, Belisle and Bettencourt doing the 7th, 8th and 9th inning stuff. Just need to add one more late inning guy maybe.

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by NastyNessy71 on Dec 8, 2011 10:41 AM MST up reply actions  

It will make sense after the Rockies hopefully acquire the veteran arm

They are players in the free agent market, much much more so than last year. It’s risky on the Rockies part because of Coors. I don’t think it should be a problem convincing Willingham or Cuddyer to come here, it’s just a matter of money, and the market hasn’t completely set on them yet.

Second base is going to filled with a trade, and I doubt the Rockies plan with that is made clear until they figure out what will happen with Prado.

We didn’t find value for Stewart, so we’re just going to start him next year. One last chance shouldn’t be awful since Arenado is coming anyways.

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by MattBerger on Dec 8, 2011 10:45 AM MST up reply actions  

i know

it was just one of the weirdest set ups I could think of from the Nuggets other than giving Al Harrington 6.75 mil a year

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by NastyNessy71 on Dec 8, 2011 10:42 AM MST up reply actions  

Not exactly

many of them will fit into the minors, or maybe bullpen roles. They aren’t getting shoved into roles that don’t fit. Like Anthony Carter playing small forward. That’d be like Tyler Chatwood at 3B

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 8, 2011 10:44 AM MST up reply actions  

well never was shoved into playing a different position

he never should have played and that was all on GK

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by NastyNessy71 on Dec 8, 2011 10:45 AM MST up reply actions  

Angles have one WS championship in 40 years

They want another one.

Rockies have 0 division championships in 19 years. They may figure they’ve got a lot of time left.

by maris61 on Dec 8, 2011 10:41 AM MST up reply actions  

The Angels operate on a different plane of financial reality than the Rockies do. That’s always going to be the case. If that’s upsetting to anyone, the other three major sports have salary caps. Feel free to enjoy them.

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by Franchise26 on Dec 8, 2011 10:43 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

not basketball

the players found a way to exploit the salary cap system.

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by NastyNessy71 on Dec 8, 2011 10:44 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

I don't particularly care about the finances

I’m just perplexed on acquiring guys who are fringe MLB players…

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by Jeffrey Morton on Dec 8, 2011 10:44 AM MST up reply actions  

So, Slowey, basically, since Chatwood’s 21 years old and is way too young to write off as ‘fringe’ yet.

There are 25 slots on a big league roster. Please direct me to the team/teams in Major League Baseball who have star-caliber performers as the 20-25th players on their roster.

You need stars, yes, but you need Kevin Sloweys in your organization, too. Even the Celtics have Brian Scalabrine.

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by Franchise26 on Dec 8, 2011 10:48 AM MST up reply actions  

Scalbs hits tres

Slowey gives up bombs… jk im interested to see how slowey works out but im def not optimistic about him.

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by NastyNessy71 on Dec 8, 2011 10:49 AM MST up reply actions  

Did I say anything about stars?

and the Celtics didn’t acquire an abundance of Scalabrine’s via trade. There’s only one Scalbs (just like on the Nuggets there was only one Ryan Bowen)

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by Jeffrey Morton on Dec 8, 2011 10:51 AM MST up reply actions  

Sorry I'm late, I was getting coffee

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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 8, 2011 11:08 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

I enjoy all three of the other major sports...

Football, Basketball, and Soccer.

That doesn’t preclude me lamenting that some other teams make bold moves and the Rockies piddle about.

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The only time you really want to use "myself" is when you are the recipient of your own action. Usually you're better off using "me."
Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
It's anyway, not anyways.
But if you only remember one thing...
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by Since1993 on Dec 8, 2011 10:46 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

cold man

way cold. If this were Stiffs and were more of my home terrirtory id hit ya hard with my hockey talk but ill keep it mild on here… you forgot about hockey. that makes some people angry

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by NastyNessy71 on Dec 8, 2011 10:48 AM MST up reply actions  

I know...

I explained on PR once why hockey isn’t a sport and I made someone cry. I stand on solid rational ground but, nothing personal.

There are no apostrophes in plurals.
A lot is two words. Allot can be one word but it has another meaning.
The only time you really want to use "myself" is when you are the recipient of your own action. Usually you're better off using "me."
Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
It's anyway, not anyways.
But if you only remember one thing...
There are no apostrophes in plurals.

by Since1993 on Dec 8, 2011 10:53 AM MST up reply actions  

Hockey isn't a sport? Say what?

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 10:54 AM MST up reply actions  

Not doing that one again!

There are no apostrophes in plurals.
A lot is two words. Allot can be one word but it has another meaning.
The only time you really want to use "myself" is when you are the recipient of your own action. Usually you're better off using "me."
Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
It's anyway, not anyways.
But if you only remember one thing...
There are no apostrophes in plurals.

by Since1993 on Dec 8, 2011 10:54 AM MST up reply actions  

For those who missed it.

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 8, 2011 10:59 AM MST up reply actions  

But he does like the passing around of the trophy.

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 8, 2011 11:01 AM MST up reply actions  

True.

That actually is pretty cool.

There are no apostrophes in plurals.
A lot is two words. Allot can be one word but it has another meaning.
The only time you really want to use "myself" is when you are the recipient of your own action. Usually you're better off using "me."
Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
It's anyway, not anyways.
But if you only remember one thing...
There are no apostrophes in plurals.

by Since1993 on Dec 8, 2011 11:03 AM MST up reply actions  

And then there was also this time

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 8, 2011 11:05 AM MST up reply actions  

And this time

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 8, 2011 11:07 AM MST up reply actions  

Someone doesn’t like hockey.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 11:07 AM MST up reply actions  

Prefer baseball, as it happens.

There are no apostrophes in plurals.
A lot is two words. Allot can be one word but it has another meaning.
The only time you really want to use "myself" is when you are the recipient of your own action. Usually you're better off using "me."
Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
It's anyway, not anyways.
But if you only remember one thing...
There are no apostrophes in plurals.

by Since1993 on Dec 8, 2011 11:11 AM MST up reply actions  

not liking hockey doesn't upset me

i don’t mind if people don’t like it. But the amount of time and energy i put in, the several serious concussions and teh fake teeth and stitches and broken bones, torn ligaments separated joints i have experienced in my days of hockey and for someone to say that isn’t a sport? That’s crossing the line with me. Yes hockey is violent, and yes there is fighting but for some people, some people like me who have a wee bit more of a temper than your average person like to play sports like that so we can take our aggression out on the ice in a legal way instead of fighting someone or doing illeagal tihngs. Not trying to make every hockey player out to someone like that but to play hockey you have to enjoy getting hit and enjoy hitting or you won’t last. But to say it’s not a sport. That really irks me and i can’t take anyone seriously who says that.

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by NastyNessy71 on Dec 8, 2011 11:11 AM MST up reply actions  

Easy, big fella...

It wasn’t personal and I would not ever troll a hockey forum to express my opinion. All a bit tongue-in-cheek. Chastened, I’ll not mention the subject again.

There are no apostrophes in plurals.
A lot is two words. Allot can be one word but it has another meaning.
The only time you really want to use "myself" is when you are the recipient of your own action. Usually you're better off using "me."
Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
It's anyway, not anyways.
But if you only remember one thing...
There are no apostrophes in plurals.

by Since1993 on Dec 8, 2011 11:16 AM MST up reply actions  

like i said

don’t mind people not likeing hockey. A lot of people don’t like it. Just don’t like people not calling it a sport. I mean i don’t like soccer but i don’t not call it a sport. Those guys work their asses off, their sport is just different than mine. I like contact when i play, personally and soccer is too touchy for me. But yea man just know when you say hockey isn’t a sport you offend all those who have physically worked their asses off in the sport or to play the sport so keep that in mind… even tho this is a baseball forum. To end in a funny story I played baseball all my life and excelled in high school until my sophmore year I had to quit because i separated my AC joint in my pitching shoulder in a hockey game haha too bad i really liked pitching in HS =)

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by NastyNessy71 on Dec 8, 2011 11:20 AM MST up reply actions  

All right, all right already!

Wow, you are THAT good.

There are no apostrophes in plurals.
A lot is two words. Allot can be one word but it has another meaning.
The only time you really want to use "myself" is when you are the recipient of your own action. Usually you're better off using "me."
Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
It's anyway, not anyways.
But if you only remember one thing...
There are no apostrophes in plurals.

by Since1993 on Dec 8, 2011 11:09 AM MST up reply actions  

Okay I'll stop now

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 8, 2011 11:12 AM MST up reply actions  

he really just uses the search fucntion.

/notabigsecret

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 11:12 AM MST up reply actions  

But it's the WAY he uses it that is so impressive.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 11:20 AM MST up reply actions  

It’s the fact that he remembers that there is something to search for that impresses me. Unless he just searches for everything. I’m hoping that it’s the former.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 11:21 AM MST up reply actions  

And this time

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 8, 2011 11:10 AM MST up reply actions  

hmm

so he says he has plausible arguments however his arguments are “runs around chasing a puck with sticks inbetween fights.” Rightttt.

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by NastyNessy71 on Dec 8, 2011 11:06 AM MST up reply actions  

Well, it's good that someone set you straight as to why hockey is a sport.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 10:59 AM MST up reply actions  

Wrong.

But again…not going back.

There are no apostrophes in plurals.
A lot is two words. Allot can be one word but it has another meaning.
The only time you really want to use "myself" is when you are the recipient of your own action. Usually you're better off using "me."
Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
It's anyway, not anyways.
But if you only remember one thing...
There are no apostrophes in plurals.

by Since1993 on Dec 8, 2011 11:01 AM MST up reply actions  

all i have to say to that

is ill play you at your sport whatever it may be, and then you can come on the ice with me for an hour or so and I will help you see how Hockey is not only one of the most physically demanding sports, but it is the most violent and contact sport there is. More violent than football becuase we skate 30 miles an hour and football players run 15-20 if they can get to that speed before getting hit. Football probably has a little more contact but to say hockey isn’t a sport is just plain retarded in my eyes and someone who could ponder up something so idiotic I frankly don’t want to hear why you think it’s not a sport so I guess we’ll keep it at that.

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by NastyNessy71 on Dec 8, 2011 10:59 AM MST up reply actions  

Nope

Baseball is all I follow.

by maris61 on Dec 8, 2011 10:46 AM MST up reply actions  

Then root for the team who spends the most money and you’ll never be disappointed. Also, stop pretending the Tulo/Cargo extensions never happened and bleating on and on about how the Rockies never make bold investments.

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by Franchise26 on Dec 8, 2011 10:49 AM MST up reply actions  

I will do that

as soon as you stop offering excuses for failure.

by maris61 on Dec 8, 2011 10:50 AM MST up reply actions  

Direct me to those excuses, please.

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by Franchise26 on Dec 8, 2011 10:51 AM MST up reply actions  

at least we aren’t the Astros?

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by Muzia on Dec 8, 2011 10:52 AM MST up reply actions   2 recs

Purple Row: The Best Colorado Rockies Blog About The Houston Astros On The Internets

"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton

by Franchise26 on Dec 8, 2011 10:53 AM MST up reply actions  

Which is why (in addition to moving to Colo. next year)

I gave up on the Astros after 45 years of frustration.

by maris61 on Dec 8, 2011 10:54 AM MST up reply actions  

I'm convinced RIRF doesn't even have to be online

to find those links.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 10:54 AM MST up reply actions  

I think he's embedded himself into the search code.

NeoRIRF

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 11:00 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

He's good

Franchise doesn’t make excuses. He calls it as it is.

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 8, 2011 11:18 AM MST up reply actions  

And, I should add

the other team I closely follow is the Rays.

They operate on a different financial plane than the Rockies, and in a tougher division.

I’m not saying the Rockies have to spend money like the Angels or Marlins. But they have to do a better job of drafing, talent evaluation and player development than they’re doing.

by maris61 on Dec 8, 2011 10:50 AM MST up reply actions  

We can agree on the last part. Things look bright in that regard.

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by Franchise26 on Dec 8, 2011 10:51 AM MST up reply actions  

That's what I'm saying

My level of trust in DOD is very small. I just don’t trust his talent evaluation.

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by Jeffrey Morton on Dec 8, 2011 10:53 AM MST up reply actions  

He's entering his "final exam period" on that for sure.

If none of Pomeranz, White, Gardner, Chatwood, or Slowey pan out, and Matzek & Friedrich follow Reynolds and Weathers as busts, DOD is DONE.

If he bats about .400 on those acquisitions, he probably stays around.

by maris61 on Dec 8, 2011 10:57 AM MST up reply actions  

Yes this is exactly what's happening

The Rockies easily could have signed Pujols but said “ah screw it, we’ll wait until 2020 before we go all out at this thing”.

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 8, 2011 10:45 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

I'm glad Pujols is signed

The Speculation can end

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 10:44 AM MST reply actions  

I'm rather disappointed he didn't have an ESPN special.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 10:55 AM MST up reply actions   2 recs

Regarding Kevin Slowey's heat maps

it is interesting that the season that he appears to have thrown down in the zone the most in (2008) was also his most successful one.

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by Resolution on Dec 8, 2011 10:48 AM MST reply actions  

Interesting....and completely predictable

Maybe Coors will scare him into stressing the strategy

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 8, 2011 10:50 AM MST up reply actions  

Hey-o, somebody actually clicked on a Rockpile link...

I’m guessing that this might be something that the Rockies noticed too. I know a couple of Purple Row users will hate this, but he was decent when he was nibbling down and away.

by Rox Girl on Dec 8, 2011 10:50 AM MST up reply actions  

We can't have all power arms

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 8, 2011 10:50 AM MST up reply actions  

Yes we can…we are Rockies are Robots

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 10:56 AM MST up reply actions  

I still don’t like the acquisition just because of his salary, but he could be better than people think he’ll be at Coors (which isn’t saying much)

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by Resolution on Dec 8, 2011 10:51 AM MST up reply actions  

I don't mind the Slowey trade at all.

I think it’s a decent move, even at his salary. I do dislike the Street trade.

by Rox Girl on Dec 8, 2011 10:55 AM MST up reply actions  

in a vacuum, the street trade is awful. still hoping it sets us up for another move.

I’m also hoping we just sign Prince Fielder and make Helton the backup 1b but I don’t voice that because 1. everyone would hate it and 2. it makes little sense.

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by Resolution on Dec 8, 2011 10:57 AM MST up reply actions  

@bnightengale
The Miami #Marlins actually outbid the #Angels for Pujols,offering 10-year, $275 million deal, sources confirm. Story to come.

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by Muzia on Dec 8, 2011 10:55 AM MST reply actions  

So that settles it. Pujols did want to play with CDI.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 10:55 AM MST up reply actions  

Or deal with Ozzies Sh**

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 10:56 AM MST up reply actions  

Nope it's all about CDI

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 11:00 AM MST up reply actions  

as well lt should be...:)


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by butterfly on Dec 8, 2011 11:03 AM MST up reply actions  

Ozzie was interview on MLB Radio last night...

and something he said… something I could understand… was pretty funny. He said along the lines of the White Sox are bad players but good people.

by nkrause on Dec 8, 2011 11:33 AM MST up reply actions  

oh snapppp

it wasn’t about the money!!! Maybe Pujols just likes wearing red.

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by Resolution on Dec 8, 2011 10:56 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

jfdnbsdnolsdnf

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 8, 2011 10:56 AM MST up reply actions  

shizzzz

whats another $25 mil in the grand scheme of things….oh yeah actually FLA doesn’t pay state income tax, California is like %10 much more money than you think

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 10:57 AM MST up reply actions  

When factoring in no state income tax

He turned down like…the entire payroll of the Rays.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 8, 2011 10:57 AM MST up reply actions  

tight...word up...

we on the same page

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 10:58 AM MST up reply actions  

The jury is still out on your math

$27.5M per year is way more than the loose change, pocket lint and used bubble gum that makes up the Rays payroll.

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 8, 2011 10:58 AM MST up reply actions  

I bet he didn't want that stupid thing in the outfield to break

with how many home runs he would’ve hit there.

It's Jim Tracy's Fault.

by wolf213 on Dec 8, 2011 10:59 AM MST up reply actions  

Is anybody else a little concerned the "ACQUIRE ALL THE YOUNG ARMZ" might not work as well as we think?

We can’t have them all starting in the majors, and pitching at AAA is a joke and doesn’t tell us anything. What I’m worried about is a situation like we had last year with middle infielders: too much depth means that we never know what has value and what doesn’t. I could see Tracy swapping back and forth between pitchers and not giving any one of them a chance to get comfortable and develop. I still think having depth is better than not having it, but at some point I think we get diminishing returns.

by RoxnSox09 on Dec 8, 2011 11:03 AM MST reply actions   1 recs

No.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 11:03 AM MST up reply actions  

Damn

its to bad CJ Wilson Signed. You are sooooo Right…

It's Jim Tracy's Fault.

by wolf213 on Dec 8, 2011 11:04 AM MST up reply actions  

Well ACquire all the young arms isn't going to work

we need to sign top flight ones like Hampton, and Neagle, and Wilson, and Darvish, and Kim.

It's Jim Tracy's Fault.

by wolf213 on Dec 8, 2011 11:11 AM MST up reply actions  

That's not the point I'm trying to make.

We just can’t get value or even a good read on the value of all these guys at the same time. Some value might be wasted through this approach because we won’t give a guy enough opportunity. For example, at this point most people here seem to think Hammel is done or middle relief fodder at best. But based on 09-10 and the last month+ of 11, he might have more value as a starter. With this approach, there is a chance the Rockies will miss that with him or someone else.

by RoxnSox09 on Dec 8, 2011 11:15 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Its the only hope we have

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 8, 2011 11:07 AM MST up reply actions  

The Rockies really are following the D-backs model with this,

It seemed to work out okay for them last season. I don’t think there’s a problem with acquiring as much young pitching as possible. The largest issue remains what’s going to happen elsewhere on the field.

by Rox Girl on Dec 8, 2011 11:08 AM MST up reply actions  

I’d love to see the strategy expanded to a level below AA, but I still like it as a concept.

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by Muzia on Dec 8, 2011 11:08 AM MST up reply actions  

It does seem like a better strategy at the lower levels.

Not that I think it’s bad to do, or that we shouldn’t have depth; I just think we are more likely to miss out on value with this approach.

by RoxnSox09 on Dec 8, 2011 11:16 AM MST up reply actions  

I agree whole-heartedly with this

Just a small town kid who thinks Coors Field on a sunny summer Saturday night is the best place to be on this or any other plane of existence. When a late-inning Todd Helton go-ahead homerun is added to this scenario, my brain melts.

by Gasstation1 on Dec 8, 2011 12:41 PM MST up reply actions  

Dipoto seems to think CDI is important to the Angels
Dipoto just mentioned Iannetta acquisition as a key part of offseason as well. Doubt any fans will remember that trade until spring training

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 11:04 AM MST reply actions  

Sorry that was a Renck tweet

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 11:04 AM MST up reply actions  

Doubt any fans will remember that trade until spring training

That’s what you think Renck, I’m pretty sure the Pujols signing was the only thing that could make the Angels slightly forget that they replaced Jeff Mathis with a good catcher.

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by MattBerger on Dec 8, 2011 12:31 PM MST up reply actions  

I think we know the PTBNL for Slowey
DdTuRpEn Daniel Turpen
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 8, 2011 11:14 AM MST reply actions  

No real loss.

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by Muzia on Dec 8, 2011 11:15 AM MST up reply actions  

We kin dof traded Mike McKenry for Slowey

Works for me

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 8, 2011 11:16 AM MST up reply actions  

Minor league filler is people too.

Filling up your senses like a night in the forest since 1992.

by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 8, 2011 11:16 AM MST up reply actions  

I like it with gravy.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 8, 2011 11:17 AM MST up reply actions  

Only when we run out of Soylent Green at Cracker Barrel

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 11:21 AM MST up reply actions  

We left?

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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 8, 2011 11:21 AM MST up reply actions  

It's like Hotel California.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 11:21 AM MST up reply actions  

FFFFFFFFFFFFF

/hatethatsong

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 11:22 AM MST up reply actions  

No.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 11:24 AM MST up reply actions  

Where should I start?

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 11:28 AM MST up reply actions  

with the awfulness. then move on the the general crappiness. sum up and finish strong with the repulsiveness.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 8, 2011 11:34 AM MST up reply actions  

unAmerican

The off-season sucks.
That is all.

by DAWNMARIE01 on Dec 8, 2011 12:06 PM MST up reply actions  

ditto.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 8, 2011 11:22 AM MST up reply actions  

and you?

It's Jim Tracy's Fault.

by wolf213 on Dec 8, 2011 11:26 AM MST up reply actions  

yup. god i can't stand it.

can’t stand the eagles at all. call it irrational, but damn, gross.

only dislike hotel california slightly less than Henley’s song Dirty Laundry. dear sweet baby jesus I hate that one.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 8, 2011 11:30 AM MST up reply actions  

Whoaaaaaaa

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 11:33 AM MST up reply actions  

I kind of like the little riff in that one.

However, I’m close to that with the Eagles as well. Some of their earlier stuff is ok.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 11:33 AM MST up reply actions  

that IS a horrible song

Dirty Laundry

The off-season sucks.
That is all.

by DAWNMARIE01 on Dec 8, 2011 12:07 PM MST up reply actions  

(look how wrong you are)

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 12:18 PM MST up reply actions  

WAT?

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 11:25 AM MST up reply actions  

Too many notes and interesting lyrics?

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by Junction Rox on Dec 8, 2011 11:36 AM MST up reply actions  

Interesting lyrics?

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 11:37 AM MST up reply actions  

Welcome to the Hotel California

There is all sorts of interesting things in that one line alone.

It's Jim Tracy's Fault.

by wolf213 on Dec 8, 2011 11:37 AM MST up reply actions  

He thinks it's meaningless if I remember correctly.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 8, 2011 11:38 AM MST up reply actions  

Well I can't tell at this point what wolf213 really means

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 11:39 AM MST up reply actions  

I'm looking at the lyrics of Hotel California

and pointing out all the interesting stuff.

It's Jim Tracy's Fault.

by wolf213 on Dec 8, 2011 11:40 AM MST up reply actions  

See I still don't get you. :)

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 11:40 AM MST up reply actions  

.

:)

It's Jim Tracy's Fault.

by wolf213 on Dec 8, 2011 11:41 AM MST up reply actions  

http://www.purplerow.com/2011/8/26/2387451/game-131-overflow#75687503

I just RIRF’d myself.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 11:41 AM MST up reply actions  

Do you feel dirty now?

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 11:43 AM MST up reply actions  

Now THAT’s a hivemind.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 11:43 AM MST up reply actions  

It felt good at the time.

But now I feel dirty and empty inside.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 11:43 AM MST up reply actions  

Why can't we all just like all the music in all the same ways :(

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 11:38 AM MST up reply actions  

Clear Channel is trying.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 8, 2011 11:38 AM MST up reply actions  

No kidding

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 11:39 AM MST up reply actions  

and the occasional

“I love you like a love song baby…..” crap

It's Jim Tracy's Fault.

by wolf213 on Dec 8, 2011 11:40 AM MST up reply actions  

Multiple words, arranged in different ways

to convey vivid images and emotional content. It is a technique songwriters (other than George Harrison, apparently) have been using successfully for centuries…

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by Junction Rox on Dec 8, 2011 11:42 AM MST up reply actions  

Hey you know what

there is room for both types of music here

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 11:43 AM MST up reply actions  

Even hipster music

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 11:43 AM MST up reply actions  

see yesterday or the day before

something to do with knitting and watching Drew Carey

The off-season sucks.
That is all.

by DAWNMARIE01 on Dec 8, 2011 12:08 PM MST up reply actions  

So why am I being told my taste is wrong?

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by Junction Rox on Dec 8, 2011 11:47 AM MST up reply actions  

Who told you your taste was wrong?

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 11:59 AM MST up reply actions  

No more for me.

Apparently my wife wants us all to become vegans.

I married a crazy person.

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by Thnikkaman on Dec 8, 2011 12:21 PM MST up reply actions  

my condolences :(


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by butterfly on Dec 8, 2011 12:37 PM MST up reply actions  

perhaps l should clarlfy....my condolences are for gong Vegan...not for belng marrled to your lovely wlfe

Hope l dldn’t offend. lf l dld, l’m truly sorry !!


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by butterfly on Dec 8, 2011 1:15 PM MST up reply actions  

No offense taken.

I Z’d past it and didn’t take the time to find it again.

I won’t go full vegan. I’ll probably go a month without meat, and then eat it 3 meals out of the week. You can pry my meat out of my cold dead hands.

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by Thnikkaman on Dec 8, 2011 1:17 PM MST up reply actions  

Umm, I should have worded that different.

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by Thnikkaman on Dec 8, 2011 1:17 PM MST up reply actions  

But what a way to go!

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by Junction Rox on Dec 8, 2011 1:20 PM MST up reply actions  

autoerotic asphyxiation!!

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by Resolution on Dec 8, 2011 1:43 PM MST up reply actions  

Umm ...

You seem just a bit too excited Res.

by Traindogger on Dec 8, 2011 1:44 PM MST up reply actions  

Just saying, there’s a name for your non-vegan death!

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by Resolution on Dec 8, 2011 1:46 PM MST up reply actions  

:( I'm sorry

on the plus side puppies are still cute.

by hotdoglady on Dec 8, 2011 11:28 AM MST up reply actions  

some are

But not all… not even close.

It's Jim Tracy's Fault.

by wolf213 on Dec 8, 2011 11:38 AM MST up reply actions  

Do you still have a job?

Are they asking you to relocate?

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 11:33 AM MST up reply actions  

Relocate, I believe.

More individual meetings later.

by holly96 on Dec 8, 2011 11:35 AM MST up reply actions  

Oh wow. Like how far away?

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 11:35 AM MST up reply actions  

just saw it

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 11:37 AM MST up reply actions  

Sorry.

I’m guessing that the meeting didn;t go well.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 11:28 AM MST up reply actions  

Oh no

Do you still have a job?

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 8, 2011 11:32 AM MST up reply actions  

Oof.

That’s awful, I’m so sorry.

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by Muzia on Dec 8, 2011 11:35 AM MST up reply actions  

Yikes! Welp I'd take Chicago

no offense to Iowa. I’m sorry holly. That’s disconcerting at best :(

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 11:36 AM MST up reply actions  

Well, if I remember which company she works for,

it’d Iowa City. Not too bad.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 11:39 AM MST up reply actions  

Dubuque, actually.

I’ve been there, and don’t really have any desire to live there.

by holly96 on Dec 8, 2011 11:43 AM MST up reply actions  

Maybe I'm just imagining that you work for Pearson.

If so, I didn’t know that they were in Dubuque. Not as cool as Iowa City at all.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 11:46 AM MST up reply actions  

Nope, McGraw-Hill.

There are Pearson offices in SF, though.

by holly96 on Dec 8, 2011 11:47 AM MST up reply actions  

Yeah. I've been there.

That’s probably why I thought you worked for Pearson. I didn’t know that McGraw-Hill had office in San Fran. Send me an email if you are thinking of making a bigger move. I have some connections in places. If you worked in Editorial I could have been a bigger help. But seriously, if your going to cast a net, there are a few places that I could point you too.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 11:51 AM MST up reply actions  

Hey.

If I ever e-mail you, do you want me to use the e-mail on your account (which I can see as a mod)? Your public one now is the ootp one.

by holly96 on Dec 8, 2011 1:49 PM MST up reply actions  

Either one is fine.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 2:10 PM MST up reply actions  

Well if its any consolation.

I’d head out to Dubuque to watch a couple of games with you.

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by Thnikkaman on Dec 8, 2011 12:23 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah, sorry to hear that Holly...

being forced to relocate can’t be fun, especially if you like where you live.

I do have a friend who moved to Chicago a couple years ago and absolutely loves it. Plus, the Rockies would come through town there, and you’d get to watch them at Wrigley, with no Giants fans!

Good luck – hope this works out for you.

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by Junction Rox on Dec 8, 2011 11:45 AM MST up reply actions  

on the downside

Cubs fans are worse then Giants Fans

It's Jim Tracy's Fault.

by wolf213 on Dec 8, 2011 11:46 AM MST up reply actions  

(you're not helping)

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by Junction Rox on Dec 8, 2011 11:47 AM MST up reply actions  

Iowa isn't so bad!

I hate Chicago unless you live downtown

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 11:46 AM MST up reply actions  

I also hate L.A.

its a dump

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 11:47 AM MST up reply actions  

Au contraire.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBOQiMxwk1o

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 11:52 AM MST up reply actions  

Ditto

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by Thnikkaman on Dec 8, 2011 12:22 PM MST up reply actions  

Arte Moreno, the LA region and TV contract are bigger factors

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 8, 2011 11:33 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Ya true

But DiPoto was a former Rockies pitcher which is why I want him, plus he made some decent moves for Arizona.

It's Jim Tracy's Fault.

by wolf213 on Dec 8, 2011 11:34 AM MST up reply actions  

Hush, hush...

Don’t you know that advocating a replacement for DOD around here is not to be discussed? ;)

by GoRoxGo on Dec 8, 2011 11:48 AM MST up reply actions  

Eh, we allow it when they used to work for O'Dowd

Dipoto, Levine, meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

Just as long as it isn’t real change, we can’t handle that here.

by Rox Girl on Dec 8, 2011 11:51 AM MST up reply actions  

I'm increasingly growing tired of O'Dowd to be honest

I’m just saying DiPoto making those moves in Los Angeles guarantees nothing in Denver

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 8, 2011 12:04 PM MST up reply actions  

We will take a Gio for a reduced price.

updated sig.

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 8, 2011 11:56 AM MST up reply actions  

We are one juicy story from needing an overflow again.

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 8, 2011 12:02 PM MST reply actions  

Can we get Cahill?

I want Cahill…

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 12:03 PM MST reply actions  

I wonder if Fox is trying to set up the kind of WS and playoff match-ups that it would prefer

Given that they’re the major Regional Sports Network owner, by handing out seemingly insane television contracts to the larger market teams, and relatively small ones to the teams in the less lucrative markets. I know places like LA and Dallas should make more with TV contracts, but it just occurred to me that with the conflict of interest, Fox could conceivable make this advantage even larger by stealing from what they’d naturally offer smaller market clubs in a truly free market.

by Rox Girl on Dec 8, 2011 12:06 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

I thought I couldn't really dislike Fox any more than I did before reading this post

But I may have been wrong.

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 8, 2011 12:10 PM MST up reply actions  

I don't think so.

The money really is exponential by market size. Larger markets also have a larger, wealthier demographic that pulls in larger revenues from advertisers. This is opposed to the 67 Jimmy John’s commercials. 98 car commercials, and 200 ED commercials that support the Rockies broadcasts.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 12:14 PM MST up reply actions  

Dodgers/Angels regional broadcasts have the same sort of commercial distribution...

Mostly beer and fast food, with the car/pharmaceutical commercials balancing it out. I think that’s pretty much a baseball standard. On Fox’s national broadcast Saturdays you’ll get the same thing, only with added commercials to watch Family Guy or what have you.

I really doubt my conspiracy theory has any legs, but it disturbs me that conflict exists in the first place. If it can be exploited at all, even a little bit, I would guess that Newscorp will.

by Rox Girl on Dec 8, 2011 12:20 PM MST up reply actions  

But they have no control over how that money is spent

or even if it is spent, for that matter. They don’t own the teams. I’m not sure that throwing money at big market teams, in the hopes that they spend it on the right players, who perform the way they’re supposed to when they need to, in order to get the teams into the playoffs, in order to hopefully get their playoff series on Fox, in order to get them into the WS, in order to generate enough more viewers to recoup the money they gave to the teams from future advertising sales is the best business model, honestly…

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by Junction Rox on Dec 8, 2011 12:15 PM MST up reply actions  

And there is your problem ...

None of us come here to read; we just spout!

by Traindogger on Dec 8, 2011 12:07 PM MST up reply actions  

O god....you are learnlng fast...:)


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by butterfly on Dec 8, 2011 12:41 PM MST up reply actions  

here here

I have spent all day trying to catch up. and im only at 11am……yikes

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by El Paso Jeff on Dec 8, 2011 3:09 PM MST up reply actions  

Everyone, PiP has posted a lovely tribute to Huston.

/sniff

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 12:19 PM MST reply actions  

Who?

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 12:35 PM MST up reply actions  

/distgruntled stare

I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.

by prettyinpurple on Dec 8, 2011 12:45 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

@hoynsie

Indians beat writer

#Indians interest in OF Josh Willingham said to be "moderate’ at best.

Looks like it’s mostly just us and the Twins. One team gets Cuddyer, the other gets Willingham.

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by Muzia on Dec 8, 2011 12:19 PM MST reply actions  

It's nice to share

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 12:20 PM MST up reply actions  

That's interesting, you'd have to figure the odds are 75-25 that we end up with Willingham if that's the case.

I really don’t mind that, especially if it’s a two year deal, or a two year plus an option deal.

by Rox Girl on Dec 8, 2011 12:22 PM MST up reply actions  

We need to get WIllingham. yes, I'm a fan of his and would LOVE to see him as a Rockie

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 8, 2011 12:22 PM MST up reply actions  

He seems like a typical Rockie

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 12:25 PM MST up reply actions  

What is a typical Rockie?

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 12:26 PM MST up reply actions  

I don't know just feels like a Typical Rockie signing

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 12:27 PM MST up reply actions  

Too Bad the Typical Rockies

don’t win divisions

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 12:28 PM MST up reply actions  

I'd be ok with both

Willingham is the better bat, Cuddyer is a bit more versatile. Both would be good additions IMO

It's Jim Tracy's Fault.

by wolf213 on Dec 8, 2011 12:26 PM MST up reply actions  

Jim Tracy, drools and says “Cuddyer….more…TOOOLZZZZZZZ” (licks chops) “So many matchUPZ”

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 12:28 PM MST up reply actions  

And somehow this becomes bad news around here...

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by Junction Rox on Dec 8, 2011 12:31 PM MST up reply actions  

Heh

Willingham will help. He might end up overpaid, but we don’t have many of those guys around anymore

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 8, 2011 12:36 PM MST up reply actions  

once they sign Willingham the price for Cuddyer drops

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by TomCat009 on Dec 8, 2011 1:34 PM MST up reply actions  

It's funny that we seem to be going after one or the other

because these two are sort of connected through odd multi HR game feats from the summer of 2009.

On July 27, 2009 – Josh Willingham hit two grand slams in the same game (back to back innings) becoming only the 13th player in history to accomplish this feat. Then, less than a month later, Cuddyer hit two HR’s in the same inning (the 7th) against the Royals becoming only the 53rd player ever to accomplish that feat.

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 8, 2011 2:23 PM MST up reply actions  

So if we got them both

we could hit two grand slams every inning!

We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!

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by Junction Rox on Dec 8, 2011 2:23 PM MST up reply actions  

on the pujols deal

astros fan rage

worth the click if you enjoy rage comics.

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by pacified on Dec 8, 2011 12:21 PM MST reply actions  

At least they have one year away from Pujols.

They should just make sure and contend this year. Oh, wait, they’re the Astros. Yeah.

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by Greg Stanwood on Dec 8, 2011 12:22 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Peter "I'll Spit on you" Gammons
Loria was willing to sponsor CJ Wilson’s racing team, which was very appealing

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 12:29 PM MST reply actions  

by realistic, Renck's exact words are the Rockies are a

“serious suitor.”

To me that sounds like it’s a pretty realistic possibility, even if not the likeliest, I guess other people could interpret that another way.

by Rox Girl on Dec 8, 2011 12:32 PM MST up reply actions  

This seems like a bad omen to me....
TroyRenck Troy Renck, Rockies
Cuddyer’s wife just had Twins. So I imagine it’s a little hectic for him right now.

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by Junction Rox on Dec 8, 2011 12:32 PM MST up reply actions  

I saw that...

Maybe he’ll take it as a sign from the heavens that Twins = hectic life?

by Rox Girl on Dec 8, 2011 12:33 PM MST up reply actions  

And the Rockies= _______ hahaha

A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves

by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 12:34 PM MST up reply actions  

That John Denver was full of shit

A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves

by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 12:37 PM MST up reply actions  

Oh he thinks the little babies are hectic?

Wait til they’re like 2.

"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"

/it is a new beginning, right?

by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 8, 2011 12:37 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

I want Willingham, not Cuddyer damnit.

Dan, NO!

"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"

/it is a new beginning, right?

by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 8, 2011 12:36 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

I'm okay with either...

I’m leaning Cuddyer, but I think the Willingham camp has a considerably stronger argument by the numbers.

by Rox Girl on Dec 8, 2011 12:41 PM MST up reply actions  

yup

i don’t like either, but willingham is a better player

by papality on Dec 8, 2011 12:43 PM MST up reply actions  

"is a better player" is also a pretty absolute statement,

I’ll grant “was” a better player. I’d accept “is likely to be” a better player. Outside of that, I think you’re going a bit far, particularly for players at this age.

by Rox Girl on Dec 8, 2011 12:51 PM MST up reply actions  

The lack of a sure thing at 3B probably makes me lean to Cuddyer

it’s not really where I’d want him, but at least he is an option there.

OTOH, if Arenado is what we all hope he is, I would probably prefer Willingham…

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by Junction Rox on Dec 8, 2011 12:44 PM MST up reply actions  

Definitely like Willingham's bat better, and I'm leaning towards him over Cuddyer

But Cuddyer’s positional versitility fits our situation well and the flexibility makes him a bit safer (all other things being equal).

In the end, I just want to end up with one of them. At this point, after all the smoke and rumors, I’d be pretty bummed if we get shut out here.

Just a small town kid who thinks Coors Field on a sunny summer Saturday night is the best place to be on this or any other plane of existence. When a late-inning Todd Helton go-ahead homerun is added to this scenario, my brain melts.

by Gasstation1 on Dec 8, 2011 12:52 PM MST up reply actions  

Much, much better fit for this lineup than Willingham IMO

Your 2012 Colorado Rockies:freshly exorcised from Ty Wigginton

by MattBerger on Dec 8, 2011 12:36 PM MST up reply actions  

Disagree ...

The Hammer is much more consistent … you know what you are getting. Cuddyer to me is an enigma and we are about to pay three years for him coming off his best season at 32.

by Traindogger on Dec 8, 2011 12:42 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm not gonna complain about either

Both solid bats who would hold down a lineup slot effectively. I’m not going to nitpick here — just get me one of them and make this team better.

by evers44 on Dec 8, 2011 12:45 PM MST up reply actions  

I think Willingham is going to decline faster

He struck out 150 times last year, his highest strikeout rate yet, while Cuddyer has stayed within career lines. Cuddyer strikes me with more to benefit from Coors, while he’s shown the ability to play first for an extended period of time.

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by MattBerger on Dec 8, 2011 12:47 PM MST up reply actions  

Don't get me wrong, I'd still love Willingham if we didn't get Cuddyer

but Cuddyer seems like a better signing for us, while WIllingham would fit very well for an AL club

Your 2012 Colorado Rockies:freshly exorcised from Ty Wigginton

by MattBerger on Dec 8, 2011 12:49 PM MST up reply actions  

Willingham's k-rate in 2011

Looks like the outlier to me. Maybe in Oakland he felt he had to swing harder.

by Traindogger on Dec 8, 2011 12:53 PM MST up reply actions  

would agree…watched a lot of Twins and was just in Minneapolis last weekend and the Twins fans really like Cuddyer up there

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 1:02 PM MST up reply actions  

And ...

According to Troy Renck of the Denver Post, the Rockies are willing to consider a three-year deal for free agent outfielder Michael Cuddyer.

Man I wish he could actually play 2nd base … or anywhere as plus for that matter.

by Traindogger on Dec 8, 2011 12:39 PM MST up reply actions  

Now this is a move....

that would improve the club directly.

I’m officially signing off on it, so feel free to proceed Dan.

by evers44 on Dec 8, 2011 12:41 PM MST up reply actions  

Renck
Rockies are still pursuing pitching They have a lot of nets in the water. ..Have flexibility to make a move following Street trade

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 12:32 PM MST reply actions  

good, lets sign Prince!

"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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by Resolution on Dec 8, 2011 1:44 PM MST up reply actions  

I secretly think if we offered him a 7 year deal with a player option after year 3 he’d opt out right before Tulo and Cargo got super expensive and we could afford him. We’d just have deal with Helton being a backup.

"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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by Resolution on Dec 8, 2011 1:59 PM MST up reply actions  

That would hurt my heart so much

But if I could see the look on his face holding the WS trophy, it’d be worth it.

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 8, 2011 1:59 PM MST up reply actions  

Fowler/Cargo/Tulo/Prince/Arenado

I think we’d have the salary space to handle him for the next few years. I could be sick in 2013 with a matured rotation. Is it unrealistic? probably, but man I love it

"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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PRMLB: The Brew Crew

by Resolution on Dec 8, 2011 2:02 PM MST up reply actions  

lol *it could be sick in 2013 (and 2014)

"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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PRMLB: The Brew Crew

by Resolution on Dec 8, 2011 2:05 PM MST up reply actions  

Balls would be hitting the actual Purple Row in the stands if Prince came here

72 today and 71 tomorrow is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training.
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by Roxman4ever on Dec 8, 2011 2:00 PM MST up reply actions  

Holly gives up.

"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"

/it is a new beginning, right?

by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 8, 2011 12:39 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

You should draw some roses

On a pretty piece of paper
With a red pencil
Imagine happiness
Until it comes right to you.

Avalance 2011-12 season, Mission 45 Wins.
Get well soon Juan.

by Thnikkaman on Dec 8, 2011 12:41 PM MST up reply actions  

Poor Holly

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 8, 2011 12:44 PM MST up reply actions  

Yep, the ol' give-a-damn's broken

Think about how stupid the average person is, and then realize that half of them are even stupider! --George Carlin

by J_Stone on Dec 8, 2011 12:59 PM MST up reply actions  

aww:(

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 2:13 PM MST up reply actions  

I did come up with one pretty big pro.

This means I don’t have to do my year-end self-evaluation. That’s actually a pretty big upside. Those things are torture.

by holly96 on Dec 8, 2011 2:16 PM MST up reply actions  

So are the options that you

lose your job or you move? Are they paying for the move?

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 2:18 PM MST up reply actions  

Turns out my specific job title is being eliminated.

Only a couple job titles are actually being officially offered relocation. But I could reapply for a similar position (they’re sort of redoing organization, job responsibilities, etc. to have a more digital focus) in Dubuque or Chicago. Any relocation money would be part of negotiations should I be offered and decide to accept a different job.

The HR guy I met with actually came out from Denver, and gave me the name of an HR person at one of the company divisions there. None of the same segments are in Denver, but I figure it’s worth seeing what kind of jobs she might know of.

by holly96 on Dec 8, 2011 2:34 PM MST up reply actions  

Dang :(. Well maybe this will turn out

better for you in the end.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 2:37 PM MST up reply actions  

rough , Holly....all the best to you :(


In all things, it is better to hope than despair.

by butterfly on Dec 8, 2011 2:38 PM MST up reply actions  

Cuddyer

3 years 30 million.

It's Jim Tracy's Fault.

by wolf213 on Dec 8, 2011 12:44 PM MST reply actions  

he's not going to get that much from the Rockies.

I’ll say 3/$27 million if he signs with CO, 3/$25 million if he signs with Minnesota.

by Rox Girl on Dec 8, 2011 12:53 PM MST up reply actions  

Sorry,

I’m being lazy.

Avalance 2011-12 season, Mission 45 Wins.
Get well soon Juan.

by Thnikkaman on Dec 8, 2011 12:59 PM MST up reply actions  

I haven't heard $10M/year in any serious/confirmed way, either...

…but I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s where the price ultimatiely goes (if he leaves Minnesotta). It’d be an overpay, but there might be enough pressure mounting on DOD at this point to go ahead and splruge a bit, especially with everyone watching so intently to see where the Street blood money gets spent.

Just a small town kid who thinks Coors Field on a sunny summer Saturday night is the best place to be on this or any other plane of existence. When a late-inning Todd Helton go-ahead homerun is added to this scenario, my brain melts.

by Gasstation1 on Dec 8, 2011 1:00 PM MST up reply actions  

I guess what I'm saying is that I see no logical reason for the market to support that figure at this point.

His options are seemingly down to Colorado and Minnesota, as nobody else has made a push. We know Minnesota’s offer, and we know that it’s probably the extent of how far they’ll go, and it could be off the table in a few days if Kubel beats him to the signing line. So it’s just a question of how much the Rockies would be willing to offer to beat what Minnesota already has said they’d give. I don’t see any reason for the club to go higher than 3/$27M with Willingham still around, and should Kubel sign, I’d even take a Cuddyer offer back down to 3/$25M or perhaps even 2/$17M. He’s peaked his leverage, and it won’t get any higher from here unless another team enters the chase.

by Rox Girl on Dec 8, 2011 1:06 PM MST up reply actions  

You could definitely be right. I hope you're right.

Because I think 3/30 would be an overpay. But if I’m Cuddyer and I like where I’m at in Minnesotta, why move myself (and my new twins) to a new place for such a modest bump from what I’m offered to stay in a place I already know I like? If the Rockies really want him, market value or not, they might have to pay a bit more of a premium than an extra couple mil over 3 years. But again, I hope you’re right.

Just a small town kid who thinks Coors Field on a sunny summer Saturday night is the best place to be on this or any other plane of existence. When a late-inning Todd Helton go-ahead homerun is added to this scenario, my brain melts.

by Gasstation1 on Dec 8, 2011 1:17 PM MST up reply actions  

Nobody likes it that much living in Minnesota.

And they do add about a 3% premium on their top state income tax bracket over Colorado, so that adds another $600K or so to the difference. For a player at his career stage, I think you have to convince Cuddyer that the Rockies have a better shot of going to the playoffs/WS than the Twins over those three years. Given the two rosters and the two divisions, I think we can make a solid case for that.

by Rox Girl on Dec 8, 2011 1:30 PM MST up reply actions  

Connections are always a factor...

Since Cuddyer’s been in the AL his whole career, does he have any friendships with Rockies players that you’re aware of?

by steakman on Dec 8, 2011 1:32 PM MST up reply actions  

Slowey?

We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!

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by Junction Rox on Dec 8, 2011 1:35 PM MST up reply actions  

Harsh to Minny, don't ya think?!

Minnesota isn’t the kind of place you could fairly say “nobody likes it that much.” It ain’t Cleveland or Buffalo or someplace like that. I doubt the pleasantness of the city is going to factor much here, although I guess it’s impossible to know for sure what’s in Cuddyer’s head. It’d be pure speculation on either of our parts to assume too much about his personal connection to Minnesota, but Cuddyer has been in Minny his entire 11-year big leauge career, and I think the more typical attitude of players in this position, assuming they’re still wanted, is to lean towards staying put (the “hometown discount” thing, which is probably overblown, but I have a hard time dismissing altogether). I have no idea what that would be worth to Cuddyer in particular ($5M, $2M, 600k, nothing…), but I guess we’ll find out soon.

Just a small town kid who thinks Coors Field on a sunny summer Saturday night is the best place to be on this or any other plane of existence. When a late-inning Todd Helton go-ahead homerun is added to this scenario, my brain melts.

by Gasstation1 on Dec 8, 2011 1:47 PM MST up reply actions  

It was a joke, sorry, didn't mean to offend Minnesotans...

I actually have Minneapolis and the state on my list of “Acceptable places to live” which most of the states/provinces surrounding it do not qualify for. I’d still rather move back to Colorado, though. So if it was my option, it would be easy.

by Rox Girl on Dec 8, 2011 1:50 PM MST up reply actions  

The more pressing question is

are Cleveland and Buffalo on your list of acceptable places to live?

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by Resolution on Dec 8, 2011 1:52 PM MST up reply actions  

Cleveland's in a "Currently Unacceptable, but open to dialog" category.

Cleveland, like Minneapolis, has a lot of public/private arts funding available to its citizens thanks to a dedicated tobacco tax there, so for me, I see a measure of stability there that doesn’t necessarily exist in other cities. That said, it’s Cleveland.

Buffalo’s even less acceptable, although that reminds me that I never updated my map/list after the November elections. They had a couple of issues/candidates on the ballot that might have made their picture a little rosier in my book.

by Rox Girl on Dec 8, 2011 1:59 PM MST up reply actions  

I ask because my roommate is from Buffalo and just describes it as totally crappy. Then he always says he has a warm place in his heart for Cleveland because he feels like Cleveland is just like Buffalo.

"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker

PRMLB: The Brew Crew

by Resolution on Dec 8, 2011 2:04 PM MST up reply actions  

No, he's totally right, except because of the money,

there’s a pretty decent arts/music scene in Cleveland. That said, there are similar scenes in much more desirable places to live, including Minneapolis.

by Rox Girl on Dec 8, 2011 2:08 PM MST up reply actions  

Not to mention that in the Twin Cities

Professional baseball player is pretty much the ideal occupation. It’s an absolutely fabulous place to live during baseball season, and you can reside elsewhere during the “Oh my god I’m going to fall over dead!” time of year.

by Northsider1964 on Dec 8, 2011 1:55 PM MST up reply actions  

At that price range, still prefer Willingham

Not as versitile, but the man hit 29 HRs in that massive OAK stadium – could hit 35+ at Coors even in post-humidor era

by NLWestBaseball on Dec 8, 2011 1:02 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm with you on this.

Just a small town kid who thinks Coors Field on a sunny summer Saturday night is the best place to be on this or any other plane of existence. When a late-inning Todd Helton go-ahead homerun is added to this scenario, my brain melts.

by Gasstation1 on Dec 8, 2011 1:03 PM MST up reply actions  

Im guessing he actually hit about half of those at home

A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves

by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 1:08 PM MST up reply actions  

Correct...

16 at home in Oakland, six away at what I’d consider large ballparks (SEA, MIN, SFG, TBR, LAA), and eight in small parks (TEX, TOR, NYY, BOS).

-C

It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?

by cthabeerman on Dec 8, 2011 1:13 PM MST up reply actions  

15 at home*

It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?

by cthabeerman on Dec 8, 2011 1:14 PM MST up reply actions  

Not sure what this means ...

But you would be correct. 15HR’s @ home vs. 14 on the road.

by Traindogger on Dec 8, 2011 1:16 PM MST up reply actions  

Last year Willingham hit .208 against LHP

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 1:11 PM MST up reply actions  

Not replying to comment?

Avalance 2011-12 season, Mission 45 Wins.
Get well soon Juan.

by Thnikkaman on Dec 8, 2011 12:53 PM MST reply actions  

Pretty funny stuff

on Lone Star ball from Texas fans after finding out Pujols and Wilson signed with the Angels back to back…..

This is one of those deals that is likely going to look really bad by 2015 or so. And realistically, it probably doesn’t even make the 2012 Angels better than the 2012 Rangers…the Angels have spent $250 million to simply narrow the gap between them and the best team in the division.
Per @joelsherman1 ….. #Angels have completed deal with CJ Wilson as well, an exec who talked to Angels this morning told me
Those little shits

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 8, 2011 12:54 PM MST reply actions  

I'd rather not sign Willy or Cuddy

and wait to spend my money on better things next year

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 1:06 PM MST reply actions  

Like?

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by TomCat009 on Dec 8, 2011 1:42 PM MST up reply actions  

Kendrick, Itzturis, Upton, Quentin (Maybe), Danks, Grienke, Hamels, Liriano, Marcum, McCarthy, Sanchez, Sanchez,

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 2:09 PM MST up reply actions  

Kendrick is about the only thing up there I would want to spend money on

that we have even a remote chance of signing. Outside of Hamels and Greinke I would rather not pay FA prices for MOR starters

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by TomCat009 on Dec 8, 2011 2:28 PM MST up reply actions  

Cuddy

Is it reasonable to think that his numbers would jump moving out of Target Field and into Coors, and if so how much?

by JTG3248 on Dec 8, 2011 1:27 PM MST reply actions  

Here's that phrase again...
TroyRenck Troy Renck, Rockies
Ubaldo-type haul. Multiple players RT @THEREALJOSHFR: what are the A’s asking for Gio Gonzalez? Seems like he would fit a lot of needs.

Everybody seems to be looking for a “Ubaldo-type haul” this offseason….

We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!

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by Junction Rox on Dec 8, 2011 1:40 PM MST reply actions  

I guess that should make us happy

it used to be a Haren like haul

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by TomCat009 on Dec 8, 2011 1:44 PM MST up reply actions  

DOD set the standard high and now, it prevents us from doing something like that ever again

72 today and 71 tomorrow is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training.
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by Roxman4ever on Dec 8, 2011 1:59 PM MST up reply actions  

Live Fan Forum with Monfort and O'Dowd, Wed. Dec. 14

Sorry if already posted, but here’s the call-in info:

How to participate on this conference call:

1. On Wednesday, December 14, at approximately 6:25 to 6:40 p.m., you will receive a call at the telephone number listed on your account and be directly connected.

2. If you miss the call or are not at that number, you can dial toll-free at 1-877-229-8493 and enter ID code 18573.

by Northsider1964 on Dec 8, 2011 1:42 PM MST reply actions  

Well, I guess all our offseson moves will be in place...

by the 13th, or substantially all of them anyway. If not, they’ll have some splaining to do, as Rickey Ricardo used to say.

by GoRoxGo on Dec 8, 2011 1:44 PM MST up reply actions  

I think they should go with the Department Store Santa Claus format

Where Dan dresses up like Santa, and we all tell him what we want.

Dick can play the role of the panicked parent, wondering where in the #@$# kids get these crazy, costly ideas???

by Northsider1964 on Dec 8, 2011 1:59 PM MST up reply actions  

Is this for all fans

or just season ticket holders? I guess there’s no way for them to stop me from calling, huh?

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 8, 2011 2:01 PM MST up reply actions  

It's just for season ticket holders, unless...

some mischievous S.O.B. posts the call-in number on the Internet.

by Northsider1964 on Dec 8, 2011 2:03 PM MST up reply actions  

Baha

Just be sure not to post it in the DP comments… that could be disasterous.

WHY DID YOU TRADE WIGGY? What will I text in to Root during the 6th inning now? “Getting Wiggy with it” was my stand by!!!

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 8, 2011 2:05 PM MST up reply actions  

Moderator: "Does anyone have a question...

that does not involve Mr. Cheapfart selling the team?

Going once… going twice… No? Well thank you all for joining us this evening."

by Northsider1964 on Dec 8, 2011 2:09 PM MST up reply actions  

Wait! Wait!

I have a question – I notice Matt Holliday isn’t playing for us anymore… can you elaborate on why you didn’t resign him? Also, do you think Ubaldo will be able to replicate his 2010 numbers at Coors Stadium again this season?

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 8, 2011 2:11 PM MST up reply actions  

That was you?

The off-season sucks.
That is all.

by DAWNMARIE01 on Dec 8, 2011 2:11 PM MST up reply actions  

No

That was an example of one of the questions that would be asked by a DP Commenter SLASH ROOT texter

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 8, 2011 2:12 PM MST up reply actions  

yeah, ok

The off-season sucks.
That is all.

by DAWNMARIE01 on Dec 8, 2011 2:12 PM MST up reply actions  

I did text in on occasion

Usually they were too irreverent/negative/informed to be put onto television

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 8, 2011 2:13 PM MST up reply actions  

hmm . . .

The off-season sucks.
That is all.

by DAWNMARIE01 on Dec 8, 2011 2:14 PM MST up reply actions  

Well

I think if they’re going to have it, they should let fans with informed opinions on as well – but instead all I see is “Wiggy Rules!” “Where’s Matt Holliday?” “I love Larry Walker”, in addition to discussions of whether hot dogs or hamburgers are better ballpark food.

I do think it could be a vehicle for something interesting, but they ruin it.

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 8, 2011 2:19 PM MST up reply actions  

We should seriously crash this party

Come up with a list of tough but fair questions we want answered and have everybody call in.

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 8, 2011 2:09 PM MST up reply actions  

The Lodo Magic Man was on the lest one.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 2:13 PM MST up reply actions  

Well technically

we could probably get a bunch of people to pitch in a couple bucks to buy one season ticket in the upper RF reserved, and then we’d be allowed on the call! And have a shared seat at every home game!

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 8, 2011 2:14 PM MST up reply actions  

shared seat O_O

The off-season sucks.
That is all.

by DAWNMARIE01 on Dec 8, 2011 2:16 PM MST up reply actions  

Lol I'm not actually inclined

towards sharing season tickets, I would just feel bad being on the call if I wasn’t technically a ST holder

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 8, 2011 2:20 PM MST up reply actions  

So to speak.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 2:23 PM MST up reply actions  

I pretty much think that my second seat this year is going to be that seat.

Instead of taking my family to sit in my expensive seats, I bought extra tickets to the games that I will go to with my family. This means that I have 15 games in my regular seats and an additional three or four club or box seats for special occasions. There’s no way I’m going to find enough friends to go to 18 games with me. So, I’ll be offering quite a few of them up on here.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 2:17 PM MST up reply actions  

I guess if they are winning more than last year

I can convince more people to go, but by August I couldn’t get anyone I knew to join me… for free.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 2:20 PM MST up reply actions  

This stinks

because I won’t be able to listen in.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 2:14 PM MST up reply actions  

More info:

We encourage you to participate in our second interactive conference call that will be hosted by Dick Monfort and Dan O’Dowd. The Winter Meetings have just concluded in Dallas and Dan will be able to give you an insider’s update on what was discussed. Anything is open for you to ask and we hope you have an opportunity to join us. You are welcome to join us for the entire call or for just a few minutes, whatever your schedule allows. The FanForum will last approximately 45 minutes.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 2:50 PM MST up reply actions  

@kenrosenthal
#Brewers to sign SS Alex Gonzalez. #MLB

Upgrade over Yuni? Ehhhh

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by Muzia on Dec 8, 2011 1:56 PM MST reply actions  

I know, right?

we keep predicting their collapse is imminent, but…

okay, their collapse is imminent.

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by Muzia on Dec 8, 2011 2:01 PM MST up reply actions  

This is pretty important actually

Shortstop is a positon where they could improve a lot just by getting a mediore player – Much like the Rockies at 2B and 3B.

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 8, 2011 2:06 PM MST up reply actions  

and yet, the mediocre SS are basically gone

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by Muzia on Dec 8, 2011 2:07 PM MST up reply actions  

That's why I'm really happy with this

Unless they plan on overpaying Rollins they will have huge problems at that position again next year. Juan Uribe wasn’t a great player, but he’s been a big loss for them as they have seen a massive loss of production at that position since he left. (Although Uribe was terrible for the DOdgers anyway so they were in a lose/lose situation)

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 8, 2011 2:13 PM MST up reply actions  

Haha Giants

No Gonzalez for you at short

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 8, 2011 2:02 PM MST up reply actions  

This is actually a negative for the Rockies… :-\

The defense is good, but that’s it. His power would have been negated entirely in SF, so that’s my justification for the comment. Here’s hoping Pastornicky’s defense sticks…or that Yunel trade looks worse than horrible. Horrible is my bar of acceptance when trading talented but cancerous players…

-C

It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?

by cthabeerman on Dec 8, 2011 2:11 PM MST up reply actions  

Compare him to their other options at short.

Who’s better?

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 8, 2011 2:15 PM MST up reply actions  

Depends on whether you trust a one-year UZR sample...

Performance-based ratings, from FG (i.e. batting, baserunning, defense)

Gonzalez: -15.9 w/ UZR, -0.9 w/ DRS
Crawford: -5.3 w/ UZR, -2.4 w/ DRS
Fontenot: -0.6 w/ UZR, -1.2 w/ DRS

I’m inclined to believe DRS more, especially given sample size and UZR’s fluctuations. In that vein, Gonzalez is probably about half a run better if you believe the part-time rate stats would hold for Crawford or Fontenot over a season-long sample.

Given the price, it’s probably about even. Really, it’s scary regardless of which three would play.

It should be noted that I tried to like Sea Bass. I really did. I stood up for him whenever Yunel’s name was mentioned, until it just wasn’t worth the fight any longer.

-C

It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?

by cthabeerman on Dec 8, 2011 2:26 PM MST up reply actions  

half a win*

I’m not on my game today.

-C

It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?

by cthabeerman on Dec 8, 2011 2:27 PM MST up reply actions  

OT:
@greggrosenthal: Monday Night Football. Brandstater. Get ready.

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 2:10 PM MST reply actions  

Does anyone know our up-to-the-moment payroll number for 2012?

You know, accounting for all the signings/trades so far along with projected arbitration?

I realize I could go to Cots and do my own math, but if someone’s already done that…

Just a small town kid who thinks Coors Field on a sunny summer Saturday night is the best place to be on this or any other plane of existence. When a late-inning Todd Helton go-ahead homerun is added to this scenario, my brain melts.

by Gasstation1 on Dec 8, 2011 2:11 PM MST reply actions  

Rough Estimates yesterday were $11.5 million to spend to be at same level of last year, without arb estimates

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 2:13 PM MST up reply actions  

Wait, both?

Jason Giambi for player-manager in 2012!
How the world will end in 2012: George of the Roses builds a Machine that Pommels everyone with La Violencia during Whiteouts.

by free7694 on Dec 8, 2011 2:48 PM MST up reply actions  

well willingham can't hit lefties so we need cuddyer too

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 2:53 PM MST up reply actions  

Willinghyer.

"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"

/it is a new beginning, right?

by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 8, 2011 2:56 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Cuddingham?

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 2:58 PM MST up reply actions  

I like Cuddlingham better

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 8, 2011 2:59 PM MST up reply actions  

win

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 3:02 PM MST up reply actions  

Cillingdyer?

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 3:03 PM MST up reply actions  

Nah.

I like Cuddlingham…

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 3:04 PM MST up reply actions  

but you hate sweet pickles.

my da and step ma make some half sweet, half dill pickles that are pretty good. would you ever try those?

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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 8, 2011 3:06 PM MST up reply actions  

I'd try half of one.

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by Muzia on Dec 8, 2011 3:07 PM MST up reply actions  

the dill wrong half.

We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!

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by Junction Rox on Dec 8, 2011 3:35 PM MST up reply actions  

I've said it once, and I'll say it again.

I will try anything once*

*does not apply to heterosexual intercourse.

by hotdoglady on Dec 8, 2011 3:10 PM MST up reply actions  

Hi I'm Maria.

The resident PR lesbian wiener.

by hotdoglady on Dec 8, 2011 3:15 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Amazing

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 3:16 PM MST up reply actions  

A lesbian hot dog with hat?

I should hope so!

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 3:18 PM MST up reply actions  

Big market blogs have two,

Sometimes they even have lesbian bratwursts with hats.

by Rox Girl on Dec 8, 2011 3:19 PM MST up reply actions  

Damn Yankees

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 3:19 PM MST up reply actions  

They just think they own everything don't they?

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 3:21 PM MST up reply actions  

Wait, do they usually have flannel hats?

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 3:24 PM MST up reply actions  

I thought so.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 3:26 PM MST up reply actions  

some of my best frlends are bratwursts!


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by butterfly on Dec 8, 2011 3:22 PM MST up reply actions  

ANNNNNDDDDD....

You, sir, win the Rockpile. Congrats.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 3:37 PM MST up reply actions  

Never going to happen

Ownership/management likes their cash cow the way it is, thank you very much.

by Rox Girl on Dec 8, 2011 3:37 PM MST up reply actions  

So now all beef lesbian bratwurst?

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by Junction Rox on Dec 8, 2011 3:41 PM MST up reply actions  

er, no, not now...

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by Junction Rox on Dec 8, 2011 3:41 PM MST up reply actions  

It’s not like we’re the Giants, after all.

SF doesn’t have the budget for lesbians.

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by Muzia on Dec 8, 2011 3:46 PM MST up reply actions  

things I never thought I would ever read:
SF doesn’t have the budget for lesbians.

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by hotdoglady on Dec 8, 2011 3:47 PM MST up reply actions  

Oh if only ...

We weren’t stuck in the mid-market fix …

by Traindogger on Dec 8, 2011 3:20 PM MST up reply actions  

It could be worse

Bucs Dugout just has a lesbian bun – no hot dog, no hat. That fanbase deserves better.

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 8, 2011 3:21 PM MST up reply actions  

it's so sad

it’s a 7-11 bun, and has been sitting on the shelf, stale, for over 20 years

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by Muzia on Dec 8, 2011 3:22 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

but it's the most beautiful 7-11

it’s on the water with a nice view of downtown and it has a very intimate feel.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 8, 2011 3:22 PM MST up reply actions  

Clearly you've never spent time in a 7-11 parking lot

after a drunken night out..

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 3:28 PM MST up reply actions  

o_0

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by Junction Rox on Dec 8, 2011 3:37 PM MST up reply actions  

Oh like you never have...

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 3:39 PM MST up reply actions  

Grand Junction doesn't have a 7-11 yet

maybe when the Rockies come to town next year?

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by Muzia on Dec 8, 2011 3:40 PM MST up reply actions  

Circle K has a whole new meaning now....

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 3:41 PM MST up reply actions  

/insert Kum and Go joke here

The off-season sucks.
That is all.

by DAWNMARIE01 on Dec 8, 2011 3:42 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Oh that's funny

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 3:44 PM MST up reply actions  

We used to have 7-11

but they all closed like 20 years ago.

FWIW, they were replaced by Kum & Go. Make of that what you will (whilst remembering this is a family blog)

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by Junction Rox on Dec 8, 2011 3:42 PM MST up reply actions  

wide open aisles, the energy drink stands are tasteful and unobtrusive. The bulletproof glass has extra talking holes in it.

And there are metal dispensers on the Slurpee machines.

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by Muzia on Dec 8, 2011 3:28 PM MST up reply actions  

No homeless people have peed on the newpaper vending machines out front. you’d be surprised at what a difference that makes

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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 8, 2011 3:36 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm surprised they even have the bun.

The question is it only half the bun?

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 3:22 PM MST up reply actions  

Can't we dump some salary elsewhere

so we can bolster the lesbian blogger corps?

I’m feeling some solidarity this week, having gone to see Brandi Carlile at the Boulder Theater…

by Northsider1964 on Dec 8, 2011 3:22 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

STOCKPILE ALL THE LESBIAN BUNBLOGGERS

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by Muzia on Dec 8, 2011 3:23 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

This really should be the name of a band

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 3:24 PM MST up reply actions  

Or "My Sweet Lord"

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 3:29 PM MST up reply actions  

or anything by Styx

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by Muzia on Dec 8, 2011 3:29 PM MST up reply actions  

Or The Eagles.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 3:30 PM MST up reply actions  

Probably bluegrass.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 3:30 PM MST up reply actions  

Then they'd be Hipsters

Avalance 2011-12 season, Mission 45 Wins.
Get well soon Juan.

by Thnikkaman on Dec 8, 2011 3:32 PM MST up reply actions  

ironically

The off-season sucks.
That is all.

by DAWNMARIE01 on Dec 8, 2011 3:32 PM MST up reply actions  

I just don't know

if there’s enough upside to some of these lesbian bun bloggers to keep them around – we’re going to have a lesbian-bun-blogger-jam in the minors

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 8, 2011 3:25 PM MST up reply actions  

Some will have to mustard extra effort

the younger ones will be forced to ketchup

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by Muzia on Dec 8, 2011 3:26 PM MST up reply actions  

well some do

prefer to catch.

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by hotdoglady on Dec 8, 2011 3:27 PM MST up reply actions  

I really want a hot dog now.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 3:27 PM MST up reply actions  

I say that every single day.

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by Muzia on Dec 8, 2011 3:28 PM MST up reply actions  

I thought you had a girlfriend who likes horses.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 3:28 PM MST up reply actions  

Well, when you have cheapfart lesbian bun owners

what do you expect.

I mean they never get the same amount of meat for the buns. It’s a disgrace.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 3:27 PM MST up reply actions  

Wigginghamyer

The off-season sucks.
That is all.

by DAWNMARIE01 on Dec 8, 2011 3:00 PM MST up reply actions  

Yes?

Lol. Jk obviously.

@CentralCaliRox

by CentralCaliRox on Dec 8, 2011 2:58 PM MST up reply actions  

Oooo damn.

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 8, 2011 2:49 PM MST via mobile reply actions   1 recs

So Hot Stove

Doesnt feel so hot anymore

A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves

by waterboy31321 on Dec 8, 2011 3:08 PM MST reply actions  

Ty Wigginton with RISP hot

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by Muzia on Dec 8, 2011 3:12 PM MST up reply actions  

the mountains are blue?

The off-season sucks.
That is all.

by DAWNMARIE01 on Dec 8, 2011 3:13 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

I have a bone to pick with you.

Whenever you post, and I see the popup telling me someone has posted…I see two lines and I get excited and think ..oh cool two new posts…but it’s just one because your name is so durn long. And then I am disappoint…

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 3:16 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Haha

I feel like I’ve gotten this complaint from you before. My deepest apologies.

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 8, 2011 3:17 PM MST up reply actions  

Have I?

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 3:17 PM MST up reply actions  

RIRF says...

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by Muzia on Dec 8, 2011 3:18 PM MST up reply actions  

I was literally thinking this

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 3:19 PM MST up reply actions  

maybe I should photoshop a Family Feud image...

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by Muzia on Dec 8, 2011 3:19 PM MST up reply actions  

Heh.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 3:22 PM MST up reply actions  

Holly sald...you agreed


In all things, it is better to hope than despair.

by butterfly on Dec 8, 2011 3:19 PM MST up reply actions  

Who are you and what have you done with butterfly?

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 3:21 PM MST up reply actions  

thanks, so see Cat, l'm stlll me :)


In all things, it is better to hope than despair.

by butterfly on Dec 8, 2011 3:42 PM MST up reply actions  

I was thinking you'd become RIRF or something...

not that it would be a bad thing…

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 3:45 PM MST up reply actions  

but doesn't the quality of the post make up for it?

Filling up your senses like a night in the forest since 1992.

by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 8, 2011 3:17 PM MST up reply actions  

The humor of the posts generally helps

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 3:18 PM MST up reply actions  

Pshaw

Playing Call of Duty and starting a tweet war with Ochocinco

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 8, 2011 3:16 PM MST up reply actions  

I luv me some Ochocinco

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 3:17 PM MST up reply actions  

#stuffwhitepeoplelike

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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 8, 2011 3:16 PM MST up reply actions  

A little birdie told me...

Rockies brass/ownership up to the wee hours of the morning today trying their best to do something. That’s all I know.

by GoRoxGo on Dec 8, 2011 3:28 PM MST reply actions  

Did you talk to this birdie at Larry Walker's bar?

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 3:29 PM MST up reply actions  

Source?

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 3:31 PM MST up reply actions  

Me

via my little birdie who will go unnamed.

by GoRoxGo on Dec 8, 2011 3:31 PM MST up reply actions  

Well, I told this guy I know whose dad is Charlie Monfort’s good friend to tell Charlie that we need Martin Prado.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 3:32 PM MST up reply actions  

Which gets back to the FanForum conference call...

If you are going to invade that call, make sure that you ask questions about Martin Prado. Everyone.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 3:34 PM MST up reply actions  

Or

nobody should say anything. Or maybe we should take it so far as to say we DON’T want him, then the FO will be forced to act.

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 8, 2011 3:37 PM MST up reply actions  

Woody Page or PhLP or Dlnger ?


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by butterfly on Dec 8, 2011 3:37 PM MST up reply actions  

or hats.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 3:30 PM MST up reply actions  

Germans?

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 3:31 PM MST up reply actions  

Is that lesbians sauerkraut

or lesbian’s sauerkraut…because those would be very different things.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 3:31 PM MST up reply actions  

Oh well that changes EVERYTHING

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 3:38 PM MST up reply actions  

LOL I actually believe you

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 3:41 PM MST up reply actions  

Probably fixing the lesbian hot dog crisis.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 3:29 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Win.

I miss the magic. (h/t papality)

by rockhead on Dec 8, 2011 3:30 PM MST up reply actions  

its David Wright isn't it?

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/it is a new beginning, right?

by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 8, 2011 3:33 PM MST up reply actions  

WRONG

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by Thnikkaman on Dec 8, 2011 3:34 PM MST up reply actions  

No.

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by Muzia on Dec 8, 2011 3:34 PM MST up reply actions  

Boston's actually a decent possibility

Cherington wasn’t at the Rule 5 draft this morning either, the Red Sox are trying to make some moves to free up some payroll. There are still some mutually interesting players for either side even after Street was traded.

by Rox Girl on Dec 8, 2011 3:51 PM MST up reply actions  

Good info GRG.

FA or trade, I wonder.

@CentralCaliRox

by CentralCaliRox on Dec 8, 2011 4:13 PM MST up reply actions  

OT: Hell, I don't want to go home today.

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by Thnikkaman on Dec 8, 2011 3:35 PM MST reply actions  

No

Because of the crazy.

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by Thnikkaman on Dec 8, 2011 3:37 PM MST up reply actions  

Lots of veggies waiting for you.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 3:35 PM MST up reply actions  

I heard Iowa isn't that bad...

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by Muzia on Dec 8, 2011 3:35 PM MST up reply actions  

FSK)@#*()$&FSDKJN

Iowa

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by Thnikkaman on Dec 8, 2011 3:37 PM MST up reply actions  

doesn't seem like all that vegan-friendly though

they like their tenderloin sandwiches there

The off-season sucks.
That is all.

by DAWNMARIE01 on Dec 8, 2011 3:39 PM MST up reply actions  

I really wish this was "via mobile"

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by Muzia on Dec 8, 2011 3:36 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

no, i just limped up the stairs into my apartment.

"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"

/it is a new beginning, right?

by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 8, 2011 3:37 PM MST up reply actions  

time for an oxycodone.

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/it is a new beginning, right?

by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 8, 2011 3:37 PM MST up reply actions  

medical marijuana?

The off-season sucks.
That is all.

by DAWNMARIE01 on Dec 8, 2011 3:40 PM MST up reply actions  

How fast can I move back to Colorado?

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by Thnikkaman on Dec 8, 2011 3:40 PM MST up reply actions  

Dorito consumption up 5 million percent

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 8, 2011 3:41 PM MST up reply actions  

were you carrying deer meat?

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I forgive you, my son.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 3:36 PM MST up reply actions  

CJ Wilson's contract is seriously backloaded as well
@espn_durrett: CJ Wilson’s year-by-year salary breakdown: $10 mil (2012), $11 (2013), $16 (2014), $18 (2015), $20 (2016). $2.5 bonus.

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by Muzia on Dec 8, 2011 3:39 PM MST reply actions  

Holy crud

The Angels are going to be super competitive, and then after a few years, they’ll only have enough money to field a pitcher and a 1st baseman

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 8, 2011 3:41 PM MST up reply actions  

I bet it's Vernon Wells related

but if I signed this deal, I would have front-loaded it in case of Wilson collapse

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by Muzia on Dec 8, 2011 3:42 PM MST up reply actions  

I actually think Wilson will be more than fine

but you gotta hedge your bets with deals like this.

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by Muzia on Dec 8, 2011 3:44 PM MST up reply actions  

moving from texas to the LAA may even put him in CY contention

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by TomCat009 on Dec 8, 2011 4:42 PM MST up reply actions  

and her big bratwurst sisters.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 3:45 PM MST up reply actions  

Either.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 3:46 PM MST up reply actions  

BOTH!!!!!!

It's Jim Tracy's Fault.

by wolf213 on Dec 8, 2011 3:46 PM MST up reply actions  

yes

The off-season sucks.
That is all.

by DAWNMARIE01 on Dec 8, 2011 3:46 PM MST up reply actions  

This

is the best string of three instantaneous comments i’ve ever seen

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 8, 2011 3:46 PM MST up reply actions  

it's safe to say "the funny" is back on PR

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by Muzia on Dec 8, 2011 3:47 PM MST up reply actions  

The lesbian/bun incident

Will totally be the title of my first screenplay

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by Junction Rox on Dec 8, 2011 3:50 PM MST up reply actions  

Oh please if it's anything less

than Lesbian BunBloggers Go Wild

I will be disappoint.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 3:51 PM MST up reply actions  

Off-off-Broadway GLBTQ one man/woman one act plays are ALL the rage right now in certain circles

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by Muzia on Dec 8, 2011 3:51 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm thinking of some Beckett-esque

theater wherein a spotlight is tightly focused on a bun for 90 minutes

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 8, 2011 3:52 PM MST up reply actions  

The Lesbian/Bun Incident

Curtain raises. A single spotlight shines on a half-eaten hot dog bun. On lower stage right, a small dish overflowing with mustard sits atop a stool, covered in lace.

A crash is heard offstage.

A bell rings three times.

Lights.

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by Muzia on Dec 8, 2011 3:54 PM MST up reply actions  

Philip Glass wasn't available?

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by Muzia on Dec 8, 2011 3:56 PM MST up reply actions  

David Lang.

That’s what a real hipster would do.

by Rox Girl on Dec 8, 2011 3:58 PM MST up reply actions  

I want Dadaism to come back

so I can ignore it.

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by Muzia on Dec 8, 2011 4:00 PM MST up reply actions  

It's just Dada.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 4:36 PM MST up reply actions  

"IT'S NOT FINISHED!!!!!.......

….IT’S FINISHED!!!!"

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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 8, 2011 4:00 PM MST up reply actions  

What's the Q for?

I get the rest of it but what’s the Q for?

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 3:52 PM MST up reply actions  

That's queer.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 3:53 PM MST up reply actions  

Queer and sometimes Questioning.

in the community it is now GLBTIQQA

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by hotdoglady on Dec 8, 2011 3:54 PM MST up reply actions  

Huh. Interesting....thanks

I just thought queer was considered not PC…

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 3:56 PM MST up reply actions  

Gotcha

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 3:57 PM MST up reply actions  

LOLZ

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 4:05 PM MST up reply actions  

Pronounced "glibbityqwa"?

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by Junction Rox on Dec 8, 2011 5:14 PM MST up reply actions  

Neither

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by Junction Rox on Dec 8, 2011 3:46 PM MST up reply actions  

Oh, excellent.

So next we’ll package him, Chatwood, and Slowey for Ian Kinsler, right?

by Shoemaker on Dec 8, 2011 3:54 PM MST up reply actions  

wut? Yu Darvish is half-japanese/half-iranian?

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/it is a new beginning, right?

by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 8, 2011 3:45 PM MST reply actions  

Where have Yu been?

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 3:45 PM MST up reply actions  

HIYOOOOOO

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 3:45 PM MST up reply actions  

half japan/half iran, wholly overrated.

"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"

/it is a new beginning, right?

by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 8, 2011 3:48 PM MST up reply actions  

Japanian?

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by Junction Rox on Dec 8, 2011 3:50 PM MST up reply actions  

Iranese?

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 3:51 PM MST up reply actions  

I am blown away

by your ability to do things like this.

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by hotdoglady on Dec 8, 2011 3:47 PM MST up reply actions  

thanks.

it would be cool to be good at math or something, but i’ve got this.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 8, 2011 3:50 PM MST up reply actions  

Mine was Talking Heads

“Once in a Lifetime”

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 3:50 PM MST up reply actions  

MTV showed music videos?

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by Junction Rox on Dec 8, 2011 3:51 PM MST up reply actions  

Like FOREVER ago. They really truly did

And they had VJ’s and everything.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 3:52 PM MST up reply actions  

what does the "M" even stand for?

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by Muzia on Dec 8, 2011 3:52 PM MST up reply actions  

Monkey

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 3:53 PM MST up reply actions  

MUSIC

crazy right?

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 3:53 PM MST up reply actions  

Yes

But everybody says “ATM Machine”, hence the redundant M

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 8, 2011 3:57 PM MST up reply actions  

You know this is true.

We should just say “Cashpoint” machine like the Brits

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 3:58 PM MST up reply actions  

K = Kentucky

T = Telegraph

The off-season sucks.
That is all.

by DAWNMARIE01 on Dec 8, 2011 4:01 PM MST up reply actions  

LIES!

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 4:02 PM MST up reply actions  

Uh-huh, have you ever tried sending a telegraph with AT&T?

If you had, you would know that it most definitely does not stand for telegraph.

by Rox Girl on Dec 8, 2011 4:02 PM MST up reply actions  

alright, people not named Muzia

Very popular brand of hockey equipment is CCM.

What does CCM stand for?

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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 8, 2011 4:03 PM MST up reply actions  

Canadian Canada Moose

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 4:04 PM MST up reply actions  

No, ccm.

not ccmc

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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 8, 2011 4:05 PM MST up reply actions  

Nope I'm certain

because the Canadian Canada is our hat and

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 4:06 PM MST up reply actions  

ding ding.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 8, 2011 4:06 PM MST up reply actions  

I hate the NBA.

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by Muzia on Dec 8, 2011 4:08 PM MST up reply actions  

or as a lot of people call it

Reebok.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 8, 2011 4:07 PM MST up reply actions  

So nothing to do with Canada at all then

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 4:08 PM MST up reply actions  

I think he's turning Japanese

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by Muzia on Dec 8, 2011 3:47 PM MST up reply actions  

Oh my ....bahahaha

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 3:49 PM MST up reply actions  

OT

since we’re kind of off the rails here, has everyone seen this guy yet?

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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 8, 2011 3:50 PM MST reply actions  

Why did you make me look at all those GD mullets?

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 3:59 PM MST up reply actions  

And that was pretty amazing.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 3:59 PM MST up reply actions  

Also who knew Dennis Eckersley had other talents......

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 4:00 PM MST up reply actions  

OT:

The Qdoba website has some good music.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 3:55 PM MST reply actions  

“…on a dark desert highway”

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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 8, 2011 3:55 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

"this burrito smells like colitas"....

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by Junction Rox on Dec 8, 2011 5:16 PM MST up reply actions  

in June 2010 and ownership group that included St Louis Cardinal Albert Pujols bought the previously only classical radio station (KFUO FM) in the St Louis market. Within 30 days the station changed formats to a christian only radio station

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 8, 2011 3:56 PM MST reply actions  

*an

"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"

/it is a new beginning, right?

by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 8, 2011 3:57 PM MST up reply actions  

OT: for you NBA fans
The Hornets have started to inform teams that they’re sending Chris Paul to the Lakers for Bynum and Odom, league sources tell Y! Sports.

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by Muzia on Dec 8, 2011 4:00 PM MST reply actions  

FFFFFFFFFF

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 4:00 PM MST up reply actions  

an incredibly unbalanced league

with approximately 6 teams and whole bunch of farm systems

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by Muzia on Dec 8, 2011 4:02 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

NBA:

No Body (but the Lakers and Heat and sometimes Celtics) Allowed (to compete)

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 8, 2011 4:11 PM MST up reply actions  

Correction: The proposed deal to the Lakers is Chris Paul for Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom, source says.

ah, much better.

Wait, no it isn’t.

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by Muzia on Dec 8, 2011 4:10 PM MST up reply actions  

Wow. Giving up Pau for Paul...I'm shocked....

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 4:10 PM MST up reply actions  

Weak.

They couldn’t have gotten better?

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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 8, 2011 4:12 PM MST up reply actions  

Low for Chris Paul?

IMO that’s too much, but now they have room for Dwight Howard, which makes me very sad :(

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 4:16 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm saying giving up even Pau for Paul is too much.

I"m confused.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 4:20 PM MST up reply actions  

It's definitely not too much.

I’d make that trade in a heartbeat.

My point is that it wasn’t enough because the Lakers can still get Dwight.

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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 8, 2011 4:21 PM MST up reply actions  

Gotcha

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 4:22 PM MST up reply actions  

Paul is so overrated IMO...bleh

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 4:22 PM MST up reply actions  

They might get Howard

But the rest of their players will be worse than the rest of Miami’s players.

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by free7694 on Dec 8, 2011 4:17 PM MST up reply actions  

you only need 3 players in today's NBA

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by Muzia on Dec 8, 2011 4:18 PM MST up reply actions  

old enough to remember the Bird days?

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by Muzia on Dec 8, 2011 4:23 PM MST up reply actions  

It used to be you only needed 2 players in the NBA

As long as the players were Jordan and Pippen

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by free7694 on Dec 8, 2011 4:24 PM MST up reply actions  

Horace Grant, Dennis Rodman

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by TomCat009 on Dec 8, 2011 4:43 PM MST up reply actions  

Will Perdue.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 4:45 PM MST up reply actions  

Tony Kukoc

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by TomCat009 on Dec 8, 2011 4:46 PM MST up reply actions  

Seriously though,

the Bulls were typically stacked.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 4:46 PM MST up reply actions  

Certainly average to above average

I don’t think Wennington, Cartwright or Longley were going to make any AS Ganes but they had good outside shooters in Paxon and BJ, great power forwards, good 6th men

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by TomCat009 on Dec 8, 2011 4:48 PM MST up reply actions  

This is what Broussard's been reporting, which seems more reasonable

Lakers get: Paul
Rockets get: Gasol
Hornets get: Kevin Martin and/or Luis Scola and/or one of the following: Chase Budinger, Patrick Patterson, Jordan Hill and draft picks

by steakman on Dec 8, 2011 4:20 PM MST up reply actions  

Where does Odom go?

The Lakers would have to give up more than just Pau, wouldn’t they?

by Shoemaker on Dec 8, 2011 4:24 PM MST up reply actions  

We're talking NBA

David Stern says no. His favorite teams tend to get talent at remarkably discounted rates…

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by Junction Rox on Dec 8, 2011 5:18 PM MST up reply actions  

en, bee, eh?

"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"

/it is a new beginning, right?

by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 8, 2011 4:10 PM MST up reply actions  

You Canadians

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 4:11 PM MST up reply actions  

That's what I said....

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 4:13 PM MST up reply actions  

I really hope the Marlins make it possible to laugh at them next year

rather than just making me cringe all the time.

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by glaucophane on Dec 8, 2011 4:16 PM MST up reply actions  

Well I plan to laugh at the godawful fountain thingie.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 4:17 PM MST up reply actions  

hahahahahhaahah

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/it is a new beginning, right?

by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 8, 2011 4:33 PM MST reply actions  

Soemthing doesn't look right

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 4:35 PM MST up reply actions  

No...that's not it..

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 4:37 PM MST up reply actions  

It's right paw

should be the bottom hand considering it’s hitting left handed?

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by jrockies on Dec 8, 2011 5:23 PM MST up reply actions  

He is so going to strike out...

/something about hips

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by Junction Rox on Dec 8, 2011 5:20 PM MST up reply actions  

Is this Rockpile going to need an overflow also?

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 8, 2011 4:35 PM MST reply actions  

@BillShaikin: Hearing over. Big win for McCourt, Dodgers

I’m curious on more details about this…

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by Muzia on Dec 8, 2011 4:38 PM MST reply actions  

That's a lie.

Those two outcomes cannot happen.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 4:38 PM MST up reply actions  

Basically this.

All that money into McCourt’s pocket is a big loss for the Dodgers and the MLB. Fox will appeal the ruling, though.

by Rox Girl on Dec 8, 2011 4:41 PM MST up reply actions  

judge ruled to accelerate TV rights auction

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 8, 2011 4:39 PM MST up reply actions  

Rosenthal just said this:
The Marlins wanted to sign Albert because they have a large latino fanbase. They wouldn’t sign Fielder because an african-american player wouldn’t draw the same fan base. But it’s not about race.

THEN DON’T MENTION IT YOU IDIOT

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 8, 2011 4:47 PM MST reply actions  

on MLBN

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/it is a new beginning, right?

by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 8, 2011 4:47 PM MST up reply actions  

Whoaaaaaa that's just stupid

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 4:53 PM MST up reply actions  

There aren't any black folk in Miami.

None.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 4:55 PM MST up reply actions  

Except for the Afro-Latin American

none whatsoever.

This is an unbelievably bad thing and if it’s true that Loria said that….oh I don’t want to be him.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 4:58 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Rosenthal

"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"

/it is a new beginning, right?

by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 8, 2011 4:59 PM MST up reply actions  

No I mean if Loria actually said something that led Rosenthal to say
Either way this is going to get ugly.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 5:00 PM MST up reply actions  

Loria said nothing of the sort, it just popped out of Rosenthal's mouth.

"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"

/it is a new beginning, right?

by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 8, 2011 5:02 PM MST up reply actions  

But where would he have gotten that from ?

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 5:03 PM MST up reply actions  

He works for FOX

who know

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 8, 2011 5:04 PM MST up reply actions  

stupid-ass assumptions?

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 8, 2011 5:05 PM MST up reply actions  

ding.

"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"

/it is a new beginning, right?

by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 8, 2011 5:05 PM MST up reply actions  

Well, I was looking for a quick snipet of Walter saying dumb ass but they are all too long.

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 8, 2011 5:06 PM MST up reply actions  

That's a big assumption for Rosenthal

I can’t help but think he knows something is all I’m saying….

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 5:07 PM MST up reply actions  

Then why in the hell did he get Buerhle?

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 8, 2011 4:59 PM MST up reply actions  

Erm Buehrle is white

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 5:00 PM MST up reply actions  

but they wanted only Latino players!

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 8, 2011 5:00 PM MST up reply actions  

Always knew they were morons

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ytCEuuW2_A

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 8, 2011 4:56 PM MST up reply actions  

No black folk in Miami?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=897jlnmTYqE

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 8, 2011 4:58 PM MST up reply actions  

o/t: Goddamnit, Kansas.
KU to introduce Charlie Weis as football coach at press conference Friday afternoon; time TBA. #kufball

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 8, 2011 5:16 PM MST reply actions  

That is one way to fill the Mangino's chair.

"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 8, 2011 5:16 PM MST up reply actions  

Weis may fit in half of Mangino's chair.

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 8, 2011 5:17 PM MST up reply actions  

Bring Mangino back and those 2 alone is your entire offensive line.

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 8, 2011 5:22 PM MST up reply actions  

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Rec’dx1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

Think that’ll make it green? LOL

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 8, 2011 5:22 PM MST up reply actions  

you know he's going to try and run a west coast offense too.

what can possibly go wrong

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 8, 2011 5:18 PM MST up reply actions  

Um.....Its Kansas. Think about that.

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 8, 2011 5:20 PM MST up reply actions  

/sarcasm

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 8, 2011 5:20 PM MST up reply actions  

Yea. But I'm serious also. LOL

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 8, 2011 5:21 PM MST up reply actions  

The ball too damn way high and the wind will catch it.

At least it will catch the ball.

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 8, 2011 5:20 PM MST up reply actions  

HEY! What the hell is wrong with Kansas.

Oh wait, that’s where I’m from. Carry on.

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 8, 2011 5:18 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

JFK's Quote of the Day:

“Pop flies, in a sense, are just a diversion for a second baseman. Grounders are his stock trade.” Source: The Mutual Baseball Almanac (Roger Kahn) ~Jackie Robinson

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by jrockies on Dec 8, 2011 5:23 PM MST reply actions  

That took me 55 minutes to read

Time well spent

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by jlbroxfan on Dec 8, 2011 5:24 PM MST reply actions  

to get through this thread?

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 8, 2011 5:27 PM MST up reply actions  

Either that or Eat, Pray, Love...

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by Junction Rox on Dec 8, 2011 5:33 PM MST up reply actions  

Ugh...that movie is soooo boring

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 5:34 PM MST up reply actions  

I figured everyone assumed Eat Pray love is what I implied

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by jlbroxfan on Dec 8, 2011 5:37 PM MST up reply actions  

Well, you could have been talking about

the lesbian/bun incident…

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by Junction Rox on Dec 8, 2011 5:40 PM MST up reply actions  

So, after 4 days of meetings, thousands of posts and a sore finger from hitting refresh....

we’re pretty much still stuck at “internal options” ain’t we?

by evers44 on Dec 8, 2011 5:50 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

This post made me laugh more that it should have

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 5:52 PM MST up reply actions  

Moves still go down after the meetings.

After all, the FAs we’ve heard about are still out there, as are trade options like Prado, etc.

by holly96 on Dec 8, 2011 5:52 PM MST up reply actions  

(How are you doing?)

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 5:58 PM MST up reply actions  

Powering through.

This is the kind of thing that I tend to roll with at first, until I really have to start making decisions.

by holly96 on Dec 8, 2011 6:11 PM MST up reply actions  

Wat? You're not the lesbian bunblogger :)

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 6:16 PM MST up reply actions  

OT: After 19 kids and pregnant with her 20th kid.

The Dugger wife had a miscarriage. I feel bad for them. Who knows if they are going to try again. But, I stopped at 5 and called it good. 19 kids! They can almost fill the Rockies 25 man roster alone!

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 8, 2011 6:03 PM MST reply actions  

no. LOL. Jim Bob and um, damn I forgot.

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 8, 2011 6:11 PM MST up reply actions  

@Renck
Rockies have sent ian stewart and Casey weathers to cubs for tyler Colvin and DJ lamehieu

by zmiko on Dec 8, 2011 6:21 PM MST reply actions  

ooooo

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by nodakroxfan on Dec 8, 2011 6:23 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

whoops sorry man...I didn't see this

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 6:24 PM MST up reply actions  

Really?

really?

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 8, 2011 6:24 PM MST up reply actions  

Really

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 6:24 PM MST up reply actions  

really.

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 8, 2011 6:25 PM MST up reply actions  

Ian Stewart was my favorite player

But glad he’s going to go somewhere that will give him a little time to figure it out. Like the trade overall though, I think I like Colvin more than some people though.

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by Bloynoys on Dec 8, 2011 6:25 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

I thought this was OOTP thread until i realized that Lamiehu was a Brave in ootp

I like this deal. Where is lemahieu as a PURP?

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by jlbroxfan on Dec 8, 2011 6:25 PM MST up reply actions  

Whooooooosh.

Cuddyer? Soon? Please?

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 6:25 PM MST up reply actions  

DJ Lamehieu!

Another warm body at second base, hooray.

by Shoemaker on Dec 8, 2011 6:27 PM MST up reply actions  

Well sheeeeeeit, that sure is a thing

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 8, 2011 6:28 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Huh.

Someone tell me about Lamehieu. I know nothing about this person.

by holly96 on Dec 8, 2011 6:30 PM MST up reply actions  

LeMahieu was Ranked #17 by Baseball Prospectus among cubbies prospects for 2012

So his value is likely greater than weathers… I will go on the record saying that i like this deal. Colvin gives us more flexibility in the OF, and with Coors Field and a change of scenery his talent could really develop. Of course i have no real stats or facts to back this up, just a gut feeling. I am glad to see the end of the Stewart era in COL as it will likely force a FA 3B signing. Weathers was another change of scenery guy who i hope succeeds in CHI. All in all good deal on both sides.

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by jlbroxfan on Dec 8, 2011 6:30 PM MST up reply actions  

I can't help but wonder if this move is a precursor to something else...

Jason Giambi for player-manager in 2012!
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by free7694 on Dec 8, 2011 6:31 PM MST up reply actions  

It has to be. Seth Smith is officially surplus to requirements.

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by Franchise26 on Dec 8, 2011 6:32 PM MST up reply actions  

At the very least

it’s probably a precursor to both organizations trying to forget that they ever drafted these people (with the possible exception of Lamehieu)

We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!

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by Junction Rox on Dec 8, 2011 6:33 PM MST up reply actions  

Either that

or trying to build a TARDIS and take Stewie/Colvin back to 2010…

We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!

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by Junction Rox on Dec 8, 2011 6:36 PM MST up reply actions  

Wait, so 50 years has already passed?

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 6:38 PM MST up reply actions  

Doesn't it feel like it to you?

We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!

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by Junction Rox on Dec 8, 2011 6:41 PM MST up reply actions  

Well now that you mention it...

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 7:29 PM MST up reply actions  

Oh please we still have the non draftees to lament..

/mumbles something about Longoria

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 6:34 PM MST up reply actions  

If I had a buck for every time sombody said this over the past few days...

There are no apostrophes in plurals.
A lot is two words. Allot can be one word but it has another meaning.
The only time you really want to use "myself" is when you are the recipient of your own action. Usually you're better off using "me."
Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
It's anyway, not anyways.
But if you only remember one thing...
There are no apostrophes in plurals.

by Since1993 on Dec 8, 2011 6:42 PM MST up reply actions  

Most disappointing trade ever

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 8, 2011 6:35 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm pretty meh until further notice.

I’ve been ready to move on emotionally from Stewart for awhile now, regardless of the baseball decisions involved. So I’ll be okay with seeing what these other guys can do.

by holly96 on Dec 8, 2011 6:40 PM MST up reply actions  

Parked in the space next to you.

There are no apostrophes in plurals.
A lot is two words. Allot can be one word but it has another meaning.
The only time you really want to use "myself" is when you are the recipient of your own action. Usually you're better off using "me."
Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
It's anyway, not anyways.
But if you only remember one thing...
There are no apostrophes in plurals.

by Since1993 on Dec 8, 2011 6:43 PM MST up reply actions  

I mostly mean for the players involved

All except LeMaheiu have been HUGE franchise disappointments (Colvin/Weathers/Stewart all top 15 overall picks)

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 8, 2011 7:03 PM MST up reply actions  

renck tweets
Rockies have sent ian stewart and Casey weathers to cubs for tyler Colvin and DJ lamehieu

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 6:24 PM MST reply actions  

Stewart traded!!!

"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"

/it is a new beginning, right?

by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 8, 2011 6:24 PM MST via mobile reply actions  

Right on cue:
keithlaw keithlaw
Not the most consequential move of the day, but I like the Cubs’ side of the trade with Colorado.

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by free7694 on Dec 8, 2011 6:27 PM MST reply actions  

Of course he does. lol

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 6:27 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, seriously

A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.

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by A.J. Haefele on Dec 8, 2011 6:28 PM MST up reply actions  

They’re the kind of low-risk fliers the Cubs need to take, honestly. And it’s not costing them a hell of a lot.

Of course, I think you could say the same from the Rockies side of the equation.

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by Franchise26 on Dec 8, 2011 6:29 PM MST up reply actions  

You could, I could, Klaw couldn't/wouldn't

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 6:29 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

SCREW HIM. HE DON'T KNOW SQUAT!

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 8, 2011 6:30 PM MST up reply actions  

Same thing he would have said

if the Cubs had included Garza, Marmol and Castro in the deal…

We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!

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by Junction Rox on Dec 8, 2011 6:34 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

LOL. No kidding

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 6:35 PM MST up reply actions  

So at this point our options for Opening Day Third Baseperson consist of:

1) Brandon Wood

2) Chris Nelson

3) Nolan Arenado

4) Kevin Youkilis

by Shoemaker on Dec 8, 2011 6:30 PM MST reply actions  

I'll take option number 3

4 if we can swing it.

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 8, 2011 6:31 PM MST up reply actions  

And of course DJ Lemahieu

If youre listing Nelson I believe Pacheco deserves a mention too…

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by jlbroxfan on Dec 8, 2011 6:31 PM MST up reply actions  

MiLB Signing

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by jlbroxfan on Dec 8, 2011 6:32 PM MST up reply actions  

Oh I didn't think we had signed him yet....d'oh!

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 6:33 PM MST up reply actions  

Same place Youk came from?

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 6:32 PM MST up reply actions  

Heh.

Somehow that one didn’t even phase me.

by holly96 on Dec 8, 2011 6:33 PM MST up reply actions  

their moms?

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by Roxman4ever on Dec 8, 2011 6:33 PM MST up reply actions  

Bye Ian! It was real

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by SDcat09 on Dec 8, 2011 6:31 PM MST reply actions  

More fron Renck:
LeMahieu will compete at 2b and some 3b. Colvin will play OF and also get spring work at 1b

by holly96 on Dec 8, 2011 6:33 PM MST reply actions  

They should've gotten Barney instead

72 today and 71 tomorrow is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.

by Roxman4ever on Dec 8, 2011 6:35 PM MST up reply actions  

"you never know"

at least it would be better than what we got.

Colvin is ok.

72 today and 71 tomorrow is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.

by Roxman4ever on Dec 8, 2011 6:40 PM MST up reply actions  

They gave us LeMahieu because they were keeping Barney...

Better than giving us DeWitt.

There are no apostrophes in plurals.
A lot is two words. Allot can be one word but it has another meaning.
The only time you really want to use "myself" is when you are the recipient of your own action. Usually you're better off using "me."
Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
It's anyway, not anyways.
But if you only remember one thing...
There are no apostrophes in plurals.

by Since1993 on Dec 8, 2011 6:47 PM MST up reply actions  

One question

What is going to happen at 3B?

I think this move is a precursor to yet another deal. Just not sure with what.

I didn’t want to see Stew gone. But eh.

And yea, I kinda saw all of this coming. I knew the Rockies were going to have a busy offseason, blowing up the team in certain areas. Nothing too surprising so far.

@CentralCaliRox

by CentralCaliRox on Dec 8, 2011 6:34 PM MST via mobile reply actions  

MIchael Cuddyer.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 8, 2011 7:36 PM MST up reply actions  

Here

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/l/lemahdj01.shtml

72 today and 71 tomorrow is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.

by Roxman4ever on Dec 8, 2011 6:34 PM MST reply actions  

More throughts from Renck:
Stewart, as said for weeks, needed change of scenery.. Weathers still throws 97 mph, but lack of command makes him a project
Players being told of deal… This move gives Colvin and Stewart fresh start.. And really like idea of LeMahieu getting shot at 2b

by holly96 on Dec 8, 2011 6:39 PM MST reply actions  

Sigh

So long Ian. You were my favorite player for the past ______ years. I spent so much time freezing at Sky Sox Stadium, wishing you would develop into the dynamic player that you should be. I loved your web gems and the long balls you hit. I wish Tracy wouldn’t have screwed you over, but your inability to not strike out every at bat made you a liability. Good luck in Chicago Ian.

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by Lost Winter on Dec 8, 2011 6:40 PM MST reply actions  

Ya’ll wanna be following davidchood on Twitter, if you aren’t already. Dropping knowledge on this deal.

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by Franchise26 on Dec 8, 2011 6:45 PM MST reply actions  

So apparently I was trending on twitter in St Louis today

http://trendsmap.com/local/us/saint-louis

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 8, 2011 6:58 PM MST reply actions  

Ugh. Pretty not enthused about the Stewart Trade

For reasons that I outlined in my recent fanpost. I will hold my breath until I see what sort of piece the Rox sign with the payroll space they have been making room for, however it is hard for me to see what they are planning to do for 3B next year, unless they are really that confident about Arenado.

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by SurfaceThought on Dec 8, 2011 7:12 PM MST reply actions  

that trade is so meh

but at least colvin’s barely got platoon splits: his batting line is about equally terrible regardless which flavor of pitcher he’s up against, and actually did better against lefties than rights in 2010

by papality on Dec 8, 2011 10:11 PM MST reply actions  

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