Friday Rockpile: Ian Stewart Traded; Rockies Clearly Mean Business
by Andrew Martin on Dec 9, 2011 7:30 AM MST
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PrintYesterday evening, we saw a swap between the Chicago Cubs and the Colorado Rockies that will sent Ian Stewart and Casey Weathers packing and will bring in Tyler Colvin and DJ LeMahieu. Colvin is a low-OBP, high SLG type of batter while LeMahieu is more the AVG/OBP style of hitter. Depending on how the next 2 months go, both of them could find themselves on the active Roster in 2012.
This is all happening so FAST. First, Ubaldo goes, then Iannetta goes, then Huston Street goes, now Stewart... it's almost a shame we don't still have Garrett Atkins so we could dump him as well. Almost.
You know, as long as we're shipping out the 2009 playoff team.
No, this is complete disappointment being expressed by the front office. When Ubaldo Jimenez got traded, the rationale was that when things go bad, somebody has to pay for it. I felt miserable hearing that, thinking that Ubaldo was taking the bullet for the entire team. Well, it turns out that those words were a bit more prophetic than we originally realized.
Huston Street forgets how to close? Shipped to SD for a PTBNL.
Ian Stewart can't catch a break in 2011 after looking poised to finally break out from 2 straight years of mediocrity, and he's swapped out with other failed prospects from the Cubs.
Seth Smith's fielding deficiencies become undeniable, and he's being dangled to any number of teams.
Chris Iannetta was Chris Iannetta, and he got sent to a new World Series contender. Wait, that one doesn't work. Hm.
The point is kind of just that the team has been pretty serious about shedding extraneous parts. They know their team has holes, and they're moving people out who aren't actively doing anything to fix it.
What kind of spooks me about that is that the Rockies only have like 5 position players we're sure are gonna be in the majors: Todd Helton, Troy Tulowitzki, Carlos Gonzalez, Dexter Fowler, and Ramon Hernandez. Oh, and Jason Giambi. I guess he counts. We still don't have a 2B, or a 3B, and we only have like half of a RF, we don't know who the utility guys are gonna be.
It also has me thinking that the Rockies are going to surprise us yet with some sort of big move, whether expected or not. This could mean Michael Cuddyer or Josh Willingham, or perhaps someone else in trade we wouldn't be expecting. The FO knows that a lot of them are on thin ice pretty quickly here, so to make promises of turning things around and then not actually bringing anybody in would pretty much be suicide. I simply can't see the team just dumping EYJ at 2B and Chris Nelson at 3B and calling it good.
The team has been relatively active this offseason, and in my estimation, they've been keeping up with at least part of what they promised to do in moving extraneous players before they lose all possible value. Now, getting the value BACK is something they're still working on. Baby steps I guess, but this kid had better be walking come April.
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they wanted to change the clubhouse
done. Time will tell if changes are + or -.
Bleed purple
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by Rawktober on Dec 9, 2011 8:01 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
No, there’s no time. Don’t you see? We must declare the offseason a success or a failure right this second and subsequently judge the 2012 season. We are the American Sports Message Board Poster.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
by Franchise26 on Dec 9, 2011 8:03 AM MST up reply actions 3 recs
Results must happen now! Hail to the victor! Hail!
A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves
by waterboy31321 on Dec 9, 2011 8:06 AM MST up reply actions
Humidor über alles.
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 9, 2011 12:43 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
well, the winter meetings are over....
and spring training is a little over 2 months away.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
And there’s a LOT of business still left to get done. Not just by the Rockies, either.
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There is a rule, all off season transactions must be made during the winter meetings
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 9, 2011 8:09 AM MST up reply actions
Prince Fielder’s gonna be bored this summer.
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poor yu darvish, too
arenado: it's Rockie for future
I predict Smtih gets traded over the weekend.
Probably not for Prado :(
But on the plus side, I also think a Cuddyer deal gets done over the weekend as well.
Colvin isn’t going to stick around either. If you look at what the Rockies are doing with shipping out Iannetta and Stewart, is they are putting more value on batting average now, and less emphasis on Boom or Bust type players. Colvin isn’t a high Batting Average type guy, so he will be gone. LeMahieu showed solid contact rating through out the minors, meaning he is likely to stick around, and probably has the inside track at the starting 2b job.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
Like Stew; Tyler is a guy who is lost at the plate.
if he can reconstruct himself into making contact first and letting the power come he might be useful. If like stew he can’t adjust then he’s AAA filler or is flipped.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
Colvin never showed that great of an ability to make contact in the first place
Look at his minor league numbers.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
That's why you need to learn it first. It gives you something to fall back on.
When are people going to realise that steroid enduced jack artists are passe. I like home runs as much as anybody. If you can’t hit; You can’t hit Jacks on a consistant basis unless you are a freak like Pena.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
at 26 years old
the chances are slim that he does learn it. Stew showed a much better contact tool throughout his minor league career, and look how that has turned out so far.
Colvin will be flipped this offseason. He doesn’t match the model of what the Rockies are trying to do.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
I am more interested in JD.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
Highest floor of all the players traded
Showed an ability to make contact throughout his minor league career. I think he’s slightly better then Jordan Pacheco going forward
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
Hope he can be a decent table setter and is probably our next 2b if Prado doesn't turn purple
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
I actually have very little faith in Pacheco given his minor league numbers and age
I think LeMahieu’s a considerable upgrade.
you mean I'm not alone
in thinking that Pacheco is most likely a non-factor going forward?
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
Nope, you're not alone.
I just don’t know why somebody with his tools wouldn’t hit that well against the inferior pitching that he faced in the minors. I don’t buy that it’s completely about learning to catch at the same time, but we’ll see.
His defense is sound?
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
Pacheco's is?
I don’t know if there’s that much a difference between the two defensively save for the one can nominally catch.
I meant JD...
I still think Pacheco can develope into our next Echiveria if not a Vanderwal
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
I have much more faith that LeMahieu will be that player than Pacheco
Both have similar profiles, LeMahieu has the better track record at the plate, while Pacheco’s 2B defense might be slightly better, but not enough to make up for the fairly wide offensive difference between the two right now.
I must reluctantly disagree.
Pacheco’s & LeMahieu’s minor league hitting stats are pretty similar since 2009, with a slight advantage to Pacheco in OBP in 2009 & 2010, and a slight advantage to LeM in 2011. Big advantage to Pacheco in SLG in 2009 & 2010 (LeM’s SLG in 2009 was .385 … that’s ghastly), slight advantage to LeM in 2011. It’s an almost-even pick ’em in terms of minor league track record.
The one plus LeM has on Pacheco is age: he may have more room left to hit his ceiling, with some room for optimism on that with his improved 2011 minor league stats.
I have no idea about LeM’s fielding. I hope he’s a better infielder than Pacheco, who didn’t look very good in Sept. If ground ball pitchers are still the Rockies’ prime targets, a weak defensive 2B isn’t what they need. I’ll reserve judgment on LeM on that score until we see him get some reps at 2B.
Consider the environments, too. Pacheco was pretty much an offensive zero at COLORADO SPRINGS last year. You or I could hit .320 in the Springs.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
2011 wasn't good for him offensively
that’s for sure. (Other than ST, when remember he almost made the 25-man because he was scorching the ball.) Maybe it was the focus on learning to catch, who knows.
But I thought he looked good at the plate in Sept. — hit .286 in 84 AB’s,
Enough to give him a legit. shot in 2012.
He just doesn’t look like a 2B to me. Temp 3B maybe, but more likely a backup C & backup 1B (a position which unfortunately isn’t available to due a wasted roster spot occupied by “Coach” Giambi.)
I tried
and failed, but that’s because the coach wouldn’t play me
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Why so high ... on DJLM?
Guy has a ceiling of utility guy on a championship club, doesn’t profile as a defensive asset at any position and his one tool is a hit tool … a poor man’s Freddy Sanchez is his absolute ceiling. These guys are just bleh org types and it is because of that we find it tough to swallow … even if that is all Stewie/Weathers turn out to be.
Can he beat out Johnny Herrera?
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 9, 2011 9:04 AM MST up reply actions
God I hope so
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 9, 2011 9:05 AM MST up reply actions
I see somebody read ESPN’s Sweet Spot blog this morning.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
You can find this opinion virtually anywhere you look.
BP says (# is overall rank in Cubs’ system released 11/24/11):
17. DJ Lemahieu, INF: He’s similar to Flaherty, but without the power.
Okay … interesting. Let’s see how they like Flaherty:
16. Ryan Flaherty, UT: He hit 19 home runs in 2011, but he doesn’t have a defensive home and has to cheat for power.
Hmmm.
I was just noting where you’d copied your opinion virtually verbatim from, that’s all.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
If that's the case ...
… then I simply have a dangerously good memory as I have been gleaning my info from numerous sources on the interweb ;)
Next time I will try to be more careful in attributing sources.
Hey, I’m sorry, I’m being too harsh this morning, and my tolerance for snark is lower than most as it is. Heck, it would have been cool if you’d linked the piece, since I didn’t see it linked above in the main article. I’ll do it.
I’ll just say I think you’re selling LeMahieu short, as he should at the very least be an upgrade from the Johnny Herrera’s of the world.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
A solid UT type on a championship squad is a good thing to have,
It actually translates to starting 2B or 3B for most playoff teams in today’s MLB. If LeMahieu can learn to take a walk or two, his value goes up considerably.
But that is his absolute ceiling.
Not saying he can’t be useful, but folks acting like he is the reason we won this deal. This deal is what it looks like. If I had to guess who had the best chance of finally “getting it” it would be Stewie.
Yes, he disappointed in a huge way. I just hope we don’t end up regretting allowing Tracy’s (mis)management of young players (Stewie & CDI) to come back to bite us. Only time will tell.
Why does Stewart have so much better a chance of getting it than DJLM?
Stewart won’t be shifting to second anytime soon, he’s four years older, the only thing he has going for him is raw power with a slow swing. He’s got a very high chance of getting it with that profile playing for the Fukuoka SoftBank Hawks, but much less of one playing in the MLB. DJLM’s contact skills make him the most likely of the four players to reach his ceiling, easily. That it’s a lower ceiling is also true, but there’s much much less risk with him.
Agree with everything you say here ...
Only by “it” I guess I mean being more than a role player. DJLM has literally almost nowhere to go. I thought we already have about five candidates for UT … why is he so much better than in-house options? And why are we ignoring that he is supposedly getting a chance at the 2nd-base starting gig?
Because our inhouse options
are Herrera, Young and Nelson, none of which are replacement level players going forward. DJLM is.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
And ...
Pacheco, and Fields, and hey… even Punto is available. Just sayin’ … these guys are a dime a dozen, and who is to say one guy is or is not replacement out of this group?
Because DJLH
is 23 years old, and has had a wRC+ of over 100 in each year of his minor league career save one. None of the others above have done that.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
Ummm ...
Stewie did it … in the MAJORS in 2008 (SSS be damned!).
Nelson did it: 105 (2006); 122 (2007); 2008 INJ; 123 (2009); 125 (2010). And that without a BABIP around .350 the minors … Just saying don’t get too excited here.
You missed the key point in my statement above
I will highlight it in bold to make it easier on you.
is 23 years old, and has had a wRC+ of over 100 in each year of his minor league career save one
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
Thanks ...
how did you know I couldn’t read?
Let me help you out:
is 23 years old, and has had a wRC+ of over 100 in each year of his minor league career save one
tone it back a shred, guys
I know we’re bored, but let’s not turn on each other here.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 9, 2011 9:36 AM MST up reply actions
Oh ... and by the way ...
the same applies to Pacheco … but I’ll let you look it up since you seem to prefer to state facts without looking them up.
71 days until pitcher and catchers report
72 today and 71 tomorrow is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
dang. Must update daily sig.
72 today and 71 tomorrow is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
Good point.
Shut down the internet, nobody is allowed to speculate or overreact.
Seriously, I’m on board with you, that people are overreacting, but what else are we supposed to do?
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 9, 2011 9:03 AM MST up reply actions
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The problem is that mnay fans are looking at each move as an end instead a step in a series of moves
“I CAN’T BELIEVE WE TRADED X PLAYER AND ONLY GOT SO AND SO BACK FOR HIM!!!”
As you sort of explain in today’s Rockpile, this is all part of something bigger that’s going on in the reaction to 2011. I may be livid when I see what the final picture looks like, but I’m at least going to wait until that picture becomes clear to pass judgement on it.
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 9, 2011 9:23 AM MST up reply actions
Exactly
I can’t remember an offseason where this many moves were made (and a lot of them don’t make sense in a vacuum), and I’ve really wanted a house cleaning for a while now – I’m putting my trust in Dealin’ Dan one last time…
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 9, 2011 9:24 AM MST up reply actions
Today's Rockpile didn't have much news in it, as when I wrote it, the rumors were still the same as yesterday
But they’re really pruning this team.
Downside: We’re not the Rays.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 9, 2011 9:27 AM MST up reply actions
My biggest problem with it all:
We were supposed to be building a dynasty here. This team was supposed to be winning the west.
Now we are on the verge of rebuilding, but the flow of talent isn’t coming in like it has in the past. All the while, getting top-tier talent through free agency or trade has basically become a giant no-no for this team.
Tell me where I’m supposed to be optimistic?
I guess if Pomz and White turn into reasonable starters (hopefully Pom more than reasonable) and Chacin can continue to grow, with a solid DLR out of injury, we don’t look half bad. Keep Fowler at his productions of the second half, and keep Helton injury free like he was last year, and maybe a Willingham or a Cuddyer completes the puzzle. But on the other hand, this sounds like more “ifs” than we had about 2011.
We went 73-89 last year. The old model failed. There is no dynasty. Something wicked this way came.
So you have to start over to an extent, yes. Fortunately we’re not in a ‘Todd and the Toddlers’ rebuild here. There are two elite players in place, firmly, for the next six seasons, and just about to enter their prime years. There are a pretty good collection of interesting pitching prospects with high ceilings (Pomeranz, White, Bettis and even Matzek having the highest ceilings).
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
We won 73 games last year?
Felt more like 43. Your point is well taken, however.
I miss the magic. (h/t papality)
Exactly
2011 felt like such a bad year, but luckily we’re left reasonably intact. Nothing catastrophic happened to Tulo or Cargo, we shipped Ubaldo away for one top-flight pitching prospect, and one that will eventually have a place in a ML rotation, some major holes in our 2011 production are gone (Stewart, Wiggy) – I think we’re a few acquisitions away from being very competitive, and just one big acquisition away from having a decent season.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 9, 2011 10:40 AM MST up reply actions
add Nicasio to that list
Still really a prospect at this point, even if 100% healthy.
He showed a really good fastball … consistent 96 mph is very intriguing. But he needs at least 2 other reliable pitches to last as a Major League starter. It’s great to hear he got his velocity back, but improving his other pitches is also very important.
Even though I love what I’m hearing about Nicasio’s workouts and will be rooting like hell for him, I can’t shake the feeling that he’s still a flip of the coin himself. Gosh, he was just starting to put it together when the injury occurred. I want to believe he can get right back on the bike, but there’s just not a whole lot of precedent to be sure either way.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
Nope, for his injury there's 0 precedent
The only thing comparable is hit-in-the-head-by-line-drive pitchers. How many come back 100% mentally, even if they’re physically fine?
Some do, some don’t — 50-50 chance would be my guess, historically.
The reason I think Nicasio has a much better chance than that is his gung-ho, go-get-em attitude, before and after his injury. That’s exactly what you want to see, and he’s just impressed the hell out of me with how he’s handled his recovery
It's not quite, though.
Head injuries and neck injuries are different physically. If Nicasio is/believes he is 100% healed, in a way that you never are with a concussion, then overcoming the mental aspect may be much easier. I’m optimistic.
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clubhouse
Jimenez wanted more money, Stewart happy to just collect a paycheck. New catcher Hernandez new catcher who says he is getting worn out and will play only 2 more years, 7 yrs older than Ianetta. No starting pitcher. Non of the young kids have ptiched over 100 innings. maybe Chacin but a bet a dime to a dollar he breaks down this year.
by goodniteirene on Dec 9, 2011 9:19 AM MST up reply actions
You drifted out of "clubhouse" issues after like the 2nd breakdown
I’m not sure what you’re driving at. Yes, those are potential problems. We can probably find more if we try.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 9, 2011 9:23 AM MST up reply actions
I heard tell the manager is bad.
Filling up your senses like a night in the forest since 1992.
by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 9, 2011 9:32 AM MST up reply actions
It's probably time Don Baylor moved on.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 9, 2011 9:33 AM MST up reply actions
Jimenez was very underpaid.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Dec 9, 2011 12:27 PM MST up reply actions
Past: So we use to try to make cute ‘upside’ signings at a pretty cheap rate to see if they would ‘boom’ for us
Present: Now we trade the failed development pieces for cute ‘upside’ acquisitions at a pretty cheap rate to see if they ‘boom’ for us
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wonder lf we can get a "cute, upslde" manager that can go "boom" for us?
In all things, it is better to hope than despair.
nice
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Not from where I'm sitting :)
And maybe not far enough…but that’s just me…YMMV
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That would be Brad Ausmus
Spending part of the recent payroll savings on him would be a wise use of the $$$, and not just for the HAR factor. As a preemptive strike the Rockies would be well-served to offer him a big contract as mgr before he ends up managing the Dodgers or Padres.
IAWTC
If only because that would be some serious HAR factor.
/has always crushed on Ausmus.
I miss the magic. (h/t papality)
Handsome, used to be catcher,..hmmm . somethlng klnda poetlc about thls!
In all things, it is better to hope than despair.
Drafted by the Rockies in the expansion draft too
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If you look back into the archives,
you’ll see that Ausmus was actually my preferred managerial candidate to replace Tracy after 2009, and not just for the HAR factor. Nobody else seemed to agree with me then.
The Yankees apparently
have a 12 Million dollar offer out on Kuroda. So that (always unlikely) ship has almost certainly sailed.
I’m hoping the added surplus of Lefty hitting outfielders helps facilitate a move for Prado.
"If I stay healthy, I have a chance to collect 3,000 hits and 1,000 errors."
~George Brett
Why does everyone think that the Braves want LH OFers?? Heyward and Bourn are LH. Freeman and McCann are LH, and Chipper is switch.
The Braves have plenty of left-handed hitters. They want Smith because he’s pretty good, not because he’s LH. The LH actually drops his stock w/ regards to a Braves trade. Yes, Blackmon and Wheeler are LH. The Braves want them because they can play CF, not because they’re LH. They’re replacing a LH hitter in Bourn, so it’s not a big deal.
If I can stress something here, it’s that being LH is not what the Braves are looking for.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
He didn't say that the Braves want LH OF.
He said:
I’m hoping the added surplus of Lefty hitting outfielders helps facilitate a move for Prado.
There’s a difference between saying that we hope that the Braves want a LH OF and saying that we hope that our surplus helps facilitate a deal.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 9, 2011 10:12 AM MST up reply actions
I suppose that’s true, if the Rockies say, “Hey, we have way too many effin’ LH OFers. Let’s give the Braves the players they want.”
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
Right. If they want Smith, Blackmon AND Wheeler, we still have yet another one now.
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CarGo’s left-handed as well and Fowler’s switch, so you have two more…
;)
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
Three more counting Colvin ;)
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 9, 2011 3:50 PM MST up reply actions
Which small market team do you follow?
The Rockies are not a small market team in the same vein as other small market teams.
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Yeah, especially the 'Small Market Team'...
that resides in a Metropolitan Area of over 6 Million People…
in baseball Houston is considered a small-market team now
I don’t think anyone who says that has ever actually been to Houston.
Is Gary Crowton fired yet?
Is Jerry Angelo fired yet?
This should not be too much of a surprise.
As I’ve mentioned a few times in the last week, DOD made two important proclamations during the post-Ubaldo-trade FanForum.
1) He was going to be more objective about players within the organization.
2) There were young guys who were not handling the responsibility of the MLB very well.
I still think that those “young guys” included:
Iannetta
Stewart
Smith
Nelson
Two little indians are down. Two more to go. You might also throw Young into this mix. It’s like the end of The Godfather. All of the family business is being taken care of. Hopefully our transition to competitiveness goes smoother than the Corleone family’s transition to Las Vegas.
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goes more smoothly
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Well I'm looking forward to his next proclamation on Wednesday
If there is another Q and A session, I’d be very curious what the hangup is on the Prado trade. If they’re asking for Arenado, they’re crazy but if they want one of our surplus minor league OF’s plus Smith, take it.
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by Cargo'es Yard on Dec 9, 2011 8:14 AM MST up reply actions
The problem is that it's not that easy
We’re not the only ones in on Prado
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Still tired this morning.
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holiday party for us last night.
that was…..that was good wine.
Filling up your senses like a night in the forest since 1992.
by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 9, 2011 8:43 AM MST up reply actions
I'm starting to think you're doing this on purpose
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 9, 2011 9:04 AM MST up reply actions
more payed = more layed
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 9, 2011 9:06 AM MST up reply actions
This explains all of the frustration around here.
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I was going to flec this but I z'd right past it
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Since I may not be on here again until Tuesday -I'm sure that will make some happy.
Updated sig up to that day. Were almost to 2 months remaining.
71 today, 70 tomorrow, 69 on Saturday, 68 Sunday and 67 Monday is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
I wish I believed the Rockies would improve
I wish they would field the best team possible. I wish they had a plan.
I also wish I still believed in Santa, the Easter Bunny, and world peace.
by mkorpal on Dec 9, 2011 8:30 AM MST reply actions 2 recs
.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=897jlnmTYqE
71 today, 70 tomorrow, 69 on Saturday, 68 Sunday and 67 Monday is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
Hopefully his easter bunny emploment conflicts get him fired!
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Only problem is that is not all he lays.
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Nice, Rec'd
71 today, 70 tomorrow, 69 on Saturday, 68 Sunday and 67 Monday is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
I could see your point on the first two,
but it seems like an exaggeration to say that they don’t even have a plan.
It may not be a GOOD plan, but I doubt they are just shooting in the dark.
No just blindfolded
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"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
I am probably going to to a post on that.
I’m glad certain people are gone. I am not exactly pleased with the return.
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But... but why would you expect a good return for players you think aren't good?
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I was just going to ask the same thing
If you think player X sucks, then you can’t expect to get much for him.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
I wanted position players and not just pitchers, The Quality wasn't the issue.
I would have asked for Aybar or Isturus and kicked in a prospect.
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What makes you think that Aybar and Izturis were available
If you think player X sucks, then you don’t have any bargaining power come trade negotiations. You take what you get.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
Dipoto said he wanted Iannetta
Does he want him or not?
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well they just traded for him
so no
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 9, 2011 9:28 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
They have a plan
Aquire all the Arms they can and see which one can go all Ryan Vogelsong on them. It’s not a good plan really, but it still is a plan.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
naw, for a true Vogelsong,
they’d have to sign Kip Wells.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 9, 2011 8:53 AM MST up reply actions
That's the part that bothers me
We could get as many good players as we need, but it’s up to Tracy to play them.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 9, 2011 9:05 AM MST up reply actions
I'm not sure about that.
I think his leash is pretty short. If he does go against the FO, and he fails, he’s gone. It’s win-win, in a sense.
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For some odd reason I feel like the ownership holds Tracy in higher esteem than DOD
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Well, Tracy has regularly had contentious relationships with his FO.
But I’m not sure how far apart DOD and Dick are from each other in their thoughts on Tracy.
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The fact that Tracy was given reins of the coaching staff is a clue to me
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To me that was a clue that they were saying, Okay, do everything your way.
If it fails, it’s all on you.
Aren't all GM's entitled to just one coaching hire?
I know that seems to be more true in other sports than baseball but O’Dowd has been GM for Tracy, Hurdle and Bell i believe. None I would consider good managers. I would like to think the sucess of Tracy is tied directly to DOD. If Tracy goes, I wouldn’t be surprised to see DOD get the pink slip too.
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by Cargo'es Yard on Dec 9, 2011 9:28 AM MST up reply actions
Neither would I
but I have no idea who’s going to replace him.
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I don't think D'Od
had any control over Hurdle… he was an organizational man long before O’Dowd got here.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
This is a rarely cited law you bring up, but I'd suggest you could find a lawyer and make a suit against the Rockies for not complying with it.
I’m sure you’re bound to win.
I actually don’t think the pair are coupled together as closely as you or probably most fans do, O’Dowd has considerably more security at this point than Tracy, but both jobs are currently dependent on the Rockies’ success in getting the team turned around.
I wouldn't disagree with that statement
DOD seems to be a bright guy and he’s been with the team for 10 years or more as GM. He’s obviously a hands off GM and allows the coaches to coach their way but if part of your job description is to acquire players that make your team better, why does he allow Tracy to set the lineup the way he sees fit? I’m just completely perplexed by their working relationship. I know we’ve talked about this in the past and don’t expect an answer but it really is a confusing relationship and needs to be examined by DOD’s boss.
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by Cargo'es Yard on Dec 9, 2011 9:54 AM MST up reply actions
Agreed...
If DOD were gone tomorrow, he’d be a GM in 2013…Tracy, maybe not.
Perhaps the best measure of how a GM is doing, on a league-wide assessment level, is whether or not his assistants are getting job interviews. Pretty sure DOD has had a couple assistants who are now GMs themselves, and another that just interviewed for a GM position.
Fans may not like the moves he’s made, but I think it’s safe to say other organizations still hold him in high esteem.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
Remember when Hurdle picked Tracy,
Everyone, and I believe Tracy too, marveled at how confident he was in putting a bench coach on his team like Tracy.
Tracy will not do that.
When Tracy fails this year, I hope they do a lot better in picking his replacement. If you are trying to get a bench coach to take over for the manager if the manager fails, then you have a limited group of people to look at. If instead you have fired your manager, and you are looking for a replacement for the top job, you will get much better candidates.
Having a qualified bench coach to take over for Tracy may be the same mistake DOD made in putting Tracy there in the first place.
seems llke a better plan would have been to get a new manager before the changes so he could have had some lnput n the selectlon process
In all things, it is better to hope than despair.
I think they want to give Tracy one more chance.
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I hope tht's like Stewart's one more chance!
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Agree, 2009 wasn't that long ago
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It really wasn't
and I feel like our 2009 roster was a lot more “this guy goes here, this guy goes here, this guy goes here” than in 2010 or 2011, if that makes sense.
I feel like I’m beating a dead horse, but “versatility” has been what’s made me hate Tracy for the last two years, and I don’t know if it’s:
a) DOD telling Tracy – “Hey, this is EY2, he can play outfield sometimes. Also, we’re signing this guy, Ty Wigginton, he can play every position evar. Herrera’s hitting really well for average right now, ride that out until he sucks again.”
or
b) Tracy going “Woah EY2 could play outfield with that speed, and Wiggy would be the perfect piece to play in RF even though he can’t catch routine flies. Herrera’s so versatile, he should be in our lineup like err day!”
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 9, 2011 9:19 AM MST up reply actions
Long story short
I still don’t know whether it’s DOD building a roster that he knows Tracy will be able to tinker with, or whether Tracy’s taking the guys who are defensively flexible and playing them way too much. Either one could be the culprit.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 9, 2011 9:20 AM MST up reply actions
It's B, and it always has been
Tracy has a history of doing whatever the hell he wants to do with a roster, but this offseason is a mix of catering to Jim Tracy and trying to avoid last season’s problems.
Personally, I think ACQUIRE ALL THE ARMS is genius, and is one Kuroda/Jackson/Volquez from being completed. The price we’ve done it for was astounding as well. I’ve hated all of the other moves without the context of acquiring arms, and I think those are completely Jim Tracy related, but it’s impossible to judge until we see what happens in relation to those moves. As of right now, I am PO’d about the Stewart and Street deals.
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Exactly
I am too – but if one of the pieces we got for Stewart is flipped, or a FA acquisition is made with the freed up Street money, I’ll be satisfied (depending on who we get) – I’m giving it another few weeks before I even begin to think about being upset with these moves. They’ve all seemed like small pieces in a big picture so far.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 9, 2011 9:35 AM MST up reply actions
I hope we stop
before Bob Ross does – he always had beautiful paintings and then ruined them by doing waaaaaay too much lol.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 9, 2011 9:43 AM MST up reply actions
YOUR WRONG!!!!!
You can never have to many Happy Trees!!!!!!! Or Special Young Arms!!!!!!!
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
Um, what????
I won’t cotton any bad talk about Bob Ross. That man was my savior during some surgery recovery. Him and Zach Morris.
Just…..grrrrr..
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by SDcat09 on Dec 9, 2011 10:08 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I LOOOVOE
Bob Ross – I just think he sometimes keeps going when the painting’s already beautiful, and maybe he should quit while he’s ahead.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 9, 2011 10:10 AM MST up reply actions
That's like telling Mozart he had too many notes..
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Perhaps so
Different strokes for different folks – I can’t let myself get upset when we disagree, Cat. We’re growing in our relationship :-)
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Is this your go-to analogy now?
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 9, 2011 10:17 AM MST up reply actions
Hmm..
let’s see I used it once yesterday about music, and once today.
Clearly, that is my go-to analogy.
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It's definitely your go-two
Get it, because you’ve used it twice.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 9, 2011 10:25 AM MST up reply actions
You can't stay mad at me can you? :)
well played
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I never was mad at you :-)
I’ve come to embrace that our differences are what make us so special!
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 9, 2011 10:41 AM MST up reply actions
I can honestly say
that Kelly Kapowski was probably my first celebrity crush as a young kid growing up
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
by wolf213 on Dec 9, 2011 10:12 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Here's an example of one of Ross's paintings
What does he do that’s too much?
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 9, 2011 10:42 AM MST up reply actions
Needs more Happy Trees
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Exactly!
Most of the trees are too far away for me to identify their emotions.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 9, 2011 10:45 AM MST up reply actions
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by Franchise26 on Dec 9, 2011 10:48 AM MST up reply actions 4 recs
This one has more happy trees
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 9, 2011 10:50 AM MST up reply actions
I'm not saying he does it to every one of them
There are just times where I’ve wanted him to stop because it was good, and then he took it too far – then again, the last time I watched Bob I was probably 10, and not the acclaimed and experienced art critic I’ve come to be today.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 9, 2011 10:45 AM MST up reply actions
I presume the unicorn and elf maiden are just out of shot?
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No...
but I’m still refusing to really credit Tracy for 2009. That team was ready to work but were being held back by Clint Hurdle. I’m pretty sure a cardboard cutout of Connie Mack could’ve managed the 2009 Rockies to the NL WC.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 9, 2011 9:25 AM MST up reply actions
I'll give Credit for Tracy just letting guys play that year
since then he doesn’t let guys play, he micromanages the shit out of the team
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 9, 2011 9:26 AM MST up reply actions
That would have been awesome.
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I don't think anyone here does give credit to Tracy as the mastermind of the 2009 run
but the Rockies front office certainly does, and so did the rest of the league when he won the MOTY
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I think he was the right guy for the time – ‘mastermind’ is surely too strong, though.
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my hangup is on "mind"
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 9, 2011 9:34 AM MST up reply actions
You gotta give him credit for getting the clubhouse together though after Hurdle was fired
It was a huge mess and was clearly distracting the Rockies at the time, but where he succeeded in fixing the clubhouse in 2009, he’s responsible for the way the Rockies completely give up when they’ve lost a season. I’ve never seen a team look so lost as the September teams of 2010-2011.
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If we’re being entirely fair, it should be noted that the 2011 Rockies looked lost ALL year. I almost excuse September, since their three best players sat out most of the month.
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I'm with you. I think Tracy looks successful
by virtue of having done little to tinker with things.
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in 2009 that is.
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There is a clear plan.
RG has pointed it out.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 9, 2011 12:29 PM MST up reply actions
yep, my issues with the plan as we know it are, in descending order of concern
1) highly risky in regards to it being fully executed (depending on certain FA’s to sign, GM’s to cave their trade demands)
2) somewhat risky in a couple of particulars (e.g. Pomeranz’s/Arenado’s readiness to contribute)
3) not the most efficient (Street trade, perhaps the Iannetta trade too, but I disagree with others on Chatwood’s potential)
But the plan for improving the team is there, and if O’Dowd can pull it off or even mostly pull it off, kudos to him.
Is there anybody else
that we could possibly sell lower on? JDLR?
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probably EY2 as well
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 9, 2011 9:02 AM MST up reply actions
When guys suck, like Ian Stewart does, it’s not called ‘selling low’, it’s called ‘getting rid of’, or ‘making someone else’s problem’. Should we just start trading anybody who has a good year so that you’ll be happy we sold high on somebody?
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Anybody and everybody that has a good year. Yes.
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 9, 2011 9:04 AM MST up reply actions
The problem I have (and it's a separate but related issue)
is why do many Rockie players start to suck during what mostly should be their prime years after showing promise early (some for several seasons). When you see Atkins, Cook, Hawpe, Ubaldo, Stewart and Spilly have the career paths they’ve had, you have to ask if the Rockies have just run into an incredable pile of dreadful luck, or if there’s something going on here that destroys players production (I have no idea what it would be or if it even exists)
Some of these dramatic falls from grace are easier to explain than others, I’d probably rank them like this (easiest to hardest to explain)
1) Cook
2) Spilly
3) Stewart
4) Atkins
5) Hawpe
6) Ubaldo
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 9, 2011 9:16 AM MST up reply actions
well
Cook – Injuries
Spilly – Wasn’t to high of a peak to start with
Stewart – He perplexes me.
Atkins – got fat and lazy
Hawpe – See Atkins
Ubaldo – Another Stewart type mystery.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
Hawpe got fat and lazy? Where'd you hear that?
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 9, 2011 9:21 AM MST up reply actions
Hawpe had the type of swing
that was long and had holes. Not the same as Atkins but I do remember he wasn’t happy with Atkins moving on.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
Well, a long swing with holes is not the same thing as fat and lazy.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 9, 2011 9:28 AM MST up reply actions
I understand he had a long swing and I could see a dropoff happening
What shocked me though was the swiftness and level of the dropoff.
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 9, 2011 9:39 AM MST up reply actions
I mean before the dropoff Hampe posted an OPS of .879 or high for four straight seasons.
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 9, 2011 9:40 AM MST up reply actions
1) Declining velocity on a FB
2) never that good to begin with
3) too much twitterin’, not enough hog sloppin
4) Fat ankles
5) Slow swing
6) ???
by Rox Girl on Dec 9, 2011 9:19 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
fankles
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Calfikles
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 9, 2011 9:30 AM MST up reply actions
No hustle either, skip.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 9, 2011 9:39 AM MST up reply actions
Cook has had his fair share of issues out of his control
Spilly was never a full time starter for us anyways, Stewart can’t adjust to the league’s adjustment to him, and Ubaldo pitched scared this season, yet still kept his K rate. I don’t think Ubaldo hit a wall and I believe he bounces back next year.
Atkins and Hawpe completely prove your point, and I argue that Jason Jennings would as well.
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Many Articles have been written
about Atkins and the fact that he was a Lazy Player who let him self physically go. Also the Rockies tend to move their prospects slower then most, so Atkins and Hawpe were at their Peak Ages, early in their Major League Career.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
that, or the beginnings of serious arm trouble
You know, either one.
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definitely mass with the Pope
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by Junction Rox on Dec 9, 2011 12:32 PM MST up reply actions
we sold high on Iannetta! WOOOOOOOO
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 9, 2011 9:20 AM MST up reply actions
Yeah
but will he be any good?
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RedMAN
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His dreds are coming in nicely
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 9, 2011 9:50 AM MST up reply actions
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 9, 2011 9:25 AM MST up reply actions
A lot of commenters internet-wide don't realize that their teams likely aren't done.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 9, 2011 9:21 AM MST up reply actions
No all moves have to be made during winter meetings…its unfortuante for a lot of teams and players
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 9, 2011 9:21 AM MST up reply actions
That new CBA really is catching a lot of teams off guard.
Wait until they get to the part about how every player that’s good should get paid whatever they want for however long they want, and every player that’s just bleh and not sexy loses a job.
So the reverse reserve clause.
that was fun to type
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 9, 2011 9:26 AM MST up reply actions
No, Doom got traded.
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Any chance the Angels shop Morales?
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I'm hoping so
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 9, 2011 9:20 AM MST up reply actions
But at what price?
No reliable certainty that he will even be able to fully recover – as strange as that is.
I hear the Angels might need some cash?
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Fox has that covered
arenado: it's Rockie for future
Even the Rockies twitter account is making fun of JT
#Rockies Skipper Jim Tracy talks about adding a veteran pitcher, Juan Nicasio & Rox “special young arms:” atmlb.com/twqpGl
Noticed the quotes around “special young arms”
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
no fooling, Tracy says we need the thing we've all been talking about all offseason?
GET OUT
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 9, 2011 9:29 AM MST up reply actions
that Jim Tracy is saying the things we've been reading for the past 2 months?
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 9, 2011 9:33 AM MST up reply actions
Special young armz……yummmmmmmzzzzz says Jim Tracy. Some of them even have two special young armzz………matchupzzzzzzzzz
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 9, 2011 9:31 AM MST up reply actions
Sounds like Jim's been spending a little too much time
lurking through the comments on Purple Row
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 9, 2011 9:39 AM MST up reply actions
Here’s video from Jim Tracy at the winter meetings. In case you’re wondering… 23 seconds.
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My biggest problem with Tracy
I that I honestly can’t bear looking at his face. It’s all puffy and jutty and rugged, all in the wrong places.
I know it’s superficial, and I know I don’t have to date him, but… there it is.
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 9, 2011 9:40 AM MST up reply actions
I hear FI#2 is quite fetching.
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Good rebound candidate
He was People’s “sexiest man alive” in 2004…
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by Junction Rox on Dec 9, 2011 10:18 AM MST up reply actions
He said Kevin Slowey is a high upside young arm..
What.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 9, 2011 12:32 PM MST up reply actions
throws strikes = high upside
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Slowey has the lowest upside of any potential starter on our rotation next year.
LolTracy
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 9, 2011 12:36 PM MST up reply actions
Ingrained beliefs without a solid basis in fact + three rotating catchphrases= 2009 NL Manager of the Year
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i know im late to the party here, but tracy didnt call slowey that
slowey was the “veteran presence with been there and done that resume”
he said the rockies have a lot of high upside young arms.
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hadn't seen tracy in ages
what the heck is he doing with his hands?
arenado: it's Rockie for future
Wow.
The Rays have signed Matt Moore to 5 year $14M deal. The Rays have club options covering Moore’s third arbitration year and first two free agent years. If those are exercised, the deal could be worth $37.5MM over eight years, and it could exceed $40MM with escalators.
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It is,
but I feel really bad right now for the hope of TINSTAAPP disease to befall him that hit me when I read about this. I need to get over my jealousy.
If Bettis has a 2012 anywhere near his 2011
The Rockies should immediately do this sort of deal with him.
Friedman was Houston’s first choice as GM for a reason — he’s smart. So smart that he quickly said “no thanks” to Houston. The Titanic was a lovely ship, but the pilot position was not a great job.
Bettis is NOT Matt Moore
I’ll happily get the slave years out of Bettis and then see where we stand
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That's a lot of money to throw at a guy with 9.1 MLB innings
They could have probably agreed on a very similar deal next season after a better idea of what he can become.
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The Rays have to take a chance on their superstar prospects early
They can’t deal with them like other teams do. If Moore is ROY or close thereto next year, the buy out the arb years cost becomes a real problem for the Rays.
They hit a jackpot with Longoria by doing this. Less so with BJ Upton, but probably still a net win for the Rays. They almost made a mistake with Kazmir, but dumped him on the Angels just in time.
Their evaluation of their own young talent & ability to monetize it is second to none. The Rockies could learn some things from them — and have shown some signs of doing so (the Tulo & Cargo deals). But it takes almost unerring talent evaluation — a skill the Rockies seem not to have mastered.
I don't want to sign any player to a 5 year deal with only 9 MLB IP
There’s plenty of time.
I know why the Rays are doing it, but TINSTAAP rules supreme in my head. I’d love to see the kid start more than one game before committing that money towards years I already control him.
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Wasn't one game.
The 9 MLB IP is probably only regular season. If so, it doesn’t include his shutting down the Rangers, the best-hitting team in the AL, in the playoffs. I suspect that had a bit to do with the Rays’ decision.
3 games in the regular season
2 in the playoffs vs. Rangers:
10 IP, 3 H, 3 BB, 0.60 WHIP, 8 K’s, 1 R, ERA 0.90
Halladay/Lee//Sabathia – type numbers. Worth a $14 mil, 5-year gamble for sure.
They already have him for the next 3 years for league minimum
He most likely won’t make 14mil in arb the final two years. The options make more sense, but the Rays don’t keep pitchers around that long, anyway. They probably won’t even use them.
This contract was signed based on one MLB regular season start and two playoff starts when his stuff was completely new to players and no one had even seen him before. It doesn’t make sense to me and I don’t like the deal. I think I understand why they think they should sign it, but it seems meaningless to me.
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I sort of agree, but I see the Rays side of this.
They’re a team that has very little chance of even considering Tulo/Cargo type of extensions and so their only hope whatsoever of locking superstar level players past their arb seasons is by trying to identify and sign them ridiculously early compared to other teams. By making the tail end of these contracts option-centric, they keep team control for eight seasons rather than six, but at the cost of guaranteeing money much earlier than usual.
I don’t know if I’d say that it’s wise for any other team save Oakland to go this route, but I can see why Tampa would and it makes sense at their revenue level.
I know why they did it
I completely disagree that the Rockies should, or need to, pursue this line of extension — specifically for pitchers
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I agree with you here.
The Rockies have no need to take this same kind of risk, and given their pitching environment, probably shouldn’t with pitchers anyway if the revenues were similar.
If the Dodgers' new ownership
whoever that turns out to be, morphs into the Yankees/Angels of the NL West, the Rockies may well need to take this same kind of risk to compete.
You might be able to make an argument for this type of stuff for Rockies pitchers. Not in the sense that we need the pitchers locked up long term or to save money, but in the sense that these contracts drive up the perceived value of the player.
If we’re going to have this guy on our roster for x years and then trade him anyway, a contract like this will improve the return (a la sergio santos and to a lesser extent, Ubaldo)
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this is a good point, and you can sort of see it playing out with Wade Davis
He’s a very desirable trade commodity thanks to that contract.
I just wish
the Rockies had enough top-flite pitching prospects to try it.
Bettis is the only one close at the moment. The Rays have Moore, Davis, Hellickson, Cobb & more on the way.
We’ve had Reynolds, Weathers, Friedrich, Matzek (I know, I know … rebound candidate, high upside. I get it. I just don’t believe it until I see a good minor league season out of him.)
Can we hire away their pitching scouts?
I should amend that
Pomeranz may fit this category, too, though his 2011 was so odd that it’s hard to tell.
Pomeranz is almost exactly at the same experience level as Matt Moore.
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well, college
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It doesn’t have to be done with a prospect like Moore. We could conceivably do it with Chacin, and after 2012 possibly White, Pomeranz, and Nicasio.
It’s about signing guys (elite and non-elite) to affordable deals that can benefit us while we have them, give us payroll certainty, give the players a little more money, and inflate their trade value. The downside is if this player collapses it may be harder to move that contract – however, if much of the contract extension consists of options, there’s really no downside beyond just the normal shittiness of a good pitcher getting injured.
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And you would think
the $$$ needed to sign the non-elites to such deals wouldn’t put near as much at risk. The Rockies can probably afford a few more misses on less-sure prospects than the Rays.
But I think you can only take this so far: the prospects need to be at least far enough above average, with enough minor league experience to evaluate, to make it worth the effort & money to do it.
Pitchers are tricky, for sure. Things like whether their mechanics are likely to lead to arm problems, whether they’ve been over-used in college, mental makeup need careful scrutiny.
As stated elsewhere, I just wish we had more elite pitching prospects to consider this with.
And, BTW
Bettis’ & Moore’s High A stats are extremely comparable — almost eerily so.
I know, Bettis is older. He also has a much higher draft choice pedigree. IF Bettis has a 2011 close to Moore’s 2010 (including late-season major league experience), the Rockies should lock him up.
Matt Moore has led the minors in Ks for 3 straight years before 2011
Bettis had a great 2011, but not even comparable
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Look at their stats at the High A level, the only comparable level
they’ve both played at:
Bettis:
184 K’s in 169.2 IP, 1.10 WHIP, 3.34 ERA, .225 avg. against
Moore
170 K’s in 144.2 IP, 1.17 WHIP, 3.36 ERA, .210 avg. against
Doesn’t get much closer than that.
Moore as a LHP will always have an advantage here.
Bettis has to be a bit better than Moore’s stats to be a better prospect.
ummm
Matt Moore had 208 K in 144.2
He also had 210 K in 155 IP through AA and AAA combined.
Bettis had a great 2011, but nothing compared to what Moore has done, and at 2 years younger.
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All points noted above
I’m comparing them at the same pitching levels, you’re comparing what they did in 2011.
And your Major League stats for Moore are wrong and incomplete, as noted above.
I never said Bettis was a better prospect, either. I said if he had a 2012 anywhere near Moore’s 2011 (assuming Bettis starts the year in AA like Moore did), the Rockies should lock him up like the Rays did Moore. I stand by that.
and with the injury history of Rockies' pitchers after the first 3-4 years
I say that’s a terrible idea.
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That would be the traditional Rockies' approach, alright
The Rockies’ way or the Ray’s way … anyone can choose which they prefer.
Completely different environments, completely different situations
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Yes, they are
The Rays are in the AL East, competing with the Yanks and Red Soc with a payroll roughtly half the size of the Rockies, and a terrible stadium problem.
If they’ve succeeded with their approach, maybe the Rockies should think about doing something similar before the New Dodgers take over the NL West with their TV money.
The Dodgers are in a holding pattern for 2012, but that won’t last long.
stats aside
Bettis is still a probable reliever because he’s mostly a fastball/slider pitcher. He may yet develop a good enough offspeed pitch to become a very good starter. But there is no need to start paying him money in his slave years if he ends up being a reliever anyway
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 9, 2011 12:11 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
same here
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That will put another 3 people in the seats down in Tampa, Good move for attendance reasons
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 9, 2011 9:36 AM MST up reply actions
that's amazing
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 9, 2011 9:53 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Amart is making up for his slow commenting week in one day.
Every other comment is his. ;)
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 9, 2011 9:50 AM MST up reply actions
Ryan Theriot figures to be nontendered.
Thoughts?
Its kinda cold today, I need to wear a coat before I go outside
Oh you mean Thoughts on Theriot…. no not really.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
No
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 9, 2011 9:45 AM MST up reply actions
Young Arms and Utility Infielders
Pick him up!
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 9, 2011 9:46 AM MST up reply actions
We don’t usually pick up hitchhikers… but I’m-a gonna go with my instincts on this one. Saddle up partner!
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 9, 2011 9:49 AM MST up reply actions
that he's generally overrated?
If we got him for zilch, sure, why not. He’s better than Herrera.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 9, 2011 9:51 AM MST up reply actions
I really hope they have not set the bar at better than Herrera though
If they have, I’m going to need a puke bucket.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 9, 2011 9:53 AM MST up reply actions
well, as far as "guys I wouldn't hate having on the bench" go
Theriot wouldn’t be MISERABLE I guess as an extremely part time player.
Not sure if I’d rather have Field or Theriot, assuming the pricetag was the same.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 9, 2011 10:39 AM MST up reply actions
It wouldn't be
Field is major league minimum, for several years.
And Theriot is a defensive liability; Field a defensive plus.
The Riot may now commence
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by Junction Rox on Dec 9, 2011 10:19 AM MST up reply actions
Erik Bedard
@ $4 Mil a good deal?
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I think So
Its only a one year deal, and if he is decent, he can be flipped at the deadline for a shiny new prospect.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
It's a roll of the dice
You know he’ll be solid when he’s in there, but you also know he’s going to spends at least part of the season on the DL. When you sign him, you are placing a bet on how much.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 9, 2011 9:47 AM MST up reply actions
I liked the deal. I wanted that fraglie lefty
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 9, 2011 9:49 AM MST up reply actions
but no way he comes to coors on a one year deal
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 9, 2011 9:50 AM MST up reply actions
I'm going to be a contrarian on this and say no, he's already well browned toast at this point
It’s still too much money for the amount of risk involved. I’d rather spend a bit more on a Rich Harden, who’ll be a bit less risky I think.
I’d rather spend a bit more on a Rich Harden,
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We need to talk.
Meeting room.
Now.
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I’d rather spend a bit more on a Rich Harden, who’ll be a bit less risky
If you can find a Rich Harden who will be less risky, I’m 100% behind you on this.
Unfortunately, the Rich Harden you’ll find around baseball circles is an injury waiting to happen…
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by Junction Rox on Dec 9, 2011 11:19 AM MST up reply actions
He's not an injury risk. He's pure confidence wrapped in a crooked grin.
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OT: Series 2 of Downton Abbey
is not as good as Series 1 at three episodes in. A little too over-the-top at the moment. Not disappointed too much.
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I got the hookup from an English friend of mine as a Christmas present. I think it’s on PBS in January.
Maggie Smith continues to be pretty hilarious, but the characters are going way too far. I guess you could ascribe this to the war, but it’s a bit much.
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I agree with you 100%. It's still watchable but not the understated epicness of series 1
On a simialr topic, guess who’s going to the premiere of the Xmas special on Monday night? Plus afterparty? :D
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by DumbAndNerdy on Dec 9, 2011 11:38 AM MST up reply actions
She wasn't there!
Mary and Edith were, and half a dozen others. It was a lot of fun and the Xmas special is brilliant, way better than most of series 2.
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CP3 deal would be the equivelant of
MLB owned Brewers and Ryan Braun in last year of his contract, have a trade in place to send to the LA Dodgers and Selig nixes it?
Fair comparison?
All the big media gets mad because they can’t have their star in LA?
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Well it depends
I don’t like it because I think it was a pretty fair trade, and IDK what the NBA expects the Hornets to do with CP3 – sit on him until he becomes a FA I guess.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 9, 2011 10:01 AM MST up reply actions
Well the main problem wasn't really the
People in the trade, it was that the lakers were saving around 40 million, getting a trade exception, forfeiting no draft picks for arguably the best player in the deal. Also the NBA owns the hornets so the owners argued that the 29 rest of the owners should be able to vote on it as they technically own the hornets.
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by Bloynoys on Dec 9, 2011 10:28 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Oh don't get me wrong
I HATE the Lakers, and nothing makes me happier than seeing them not get what they want. I just think this sets an interesting precedent for the future.
Imagine if the Rockies tried to trade Holliday for Street, Cargo, and the crown jewel Greg Smith, and the league blocked it (I know logistically it’s COMPLETELY different, but in terms of how it impacts the team who can’t afford the star once they hit free agency, it’s similar). I can understand the fans in New Orleans really not liking this.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 9, 2011 10:43 AM MST up reply actions
Totally
I think the owners that voted against it are saying, if they’re going to get Paul, they’re going to have to be in a worse financial and future position rather than a better one. And NO is saying why should we free cap space when we have zero chance of signing a good free agent? But it’s what is so wrong with the NBA. Players should not get to dictate where they go at all times. But it is a unique problem, in all the other sports there are enough great players that it creates parity. However when you need a top 15 player to win a championship in the NBA, and you have a lot more Carmelo’s who will only play in certain places than Durants who stay where they are creates a situation where only like seven teams have any chance at winning a championship. People say all star teams are better for ratings, and may be true for TNT, but what happens when the 23 other markets finally become disenfranchised enough to stop watching? Seems like that is already starting to happen.
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by Bloynoys on Dec 9, 2011 10:54 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Exactly
There’s a really great Grantland piece about how the NBA is in a horrible position because they’re a league of players, and why the NFL is so successful because they’re a league of teams. I’m working on finding it, gimme a second.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 9, 2011 10:59 AM MST up reply actions
Mmkay
So it’s more about Tim Tebow, but there’s a paragraph in there that I think does a great job of summing up why the NFL is the most popular league in America and why the NBA couldn’t get it together to start playing until Christmas:
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 9, 2011 11:05 AM MST up reply actions
I think AAU basketball is ruining the sport of Basketball
I know its very big picture, but I think AAU has a much bigger effect (negative) that people think. I think AAU ruins the quality of the game because its all about Me and getting mine so I can get a scholarship, so I can get drafted after 1 or 2 years, so I can get mine in the League in the city that I want. In turn the quality of the game is bad because its all about one one one drive and scoring and getting to the line so I can get my points and get noticed.
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I would say the NBA is ruining basektball
and not the AAU.
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How so?
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 9, 2011 12:06 PM MST up reply actions
The kids are really
doing what they see the NBA players do.
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Completely agree with your point
I’m done with the NBA. I can’t stand that the players now have a say in where they will or won’t play. Last year was a first to me. I didn’t attend one NBA last year nor did I watch one NBA game on TV all after the LeBron, Melo, Bosh fiasco. I can’t even read an NBA story and have stopped reading Bill Simmons since that’s all he will write about. After this latest agreeement, it may be a long time before I watch another NBA game.
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by Cargo'es Yard on Dec 9, 2011 12:26 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I haven't cared for the NBA for twenty years. Basketball season ends for me with the final four
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
OT: Co-worker in NY sent me an e-mail that made me teary.
Was sweet, but dang.
by holly96 on Dec 9, 2011 11:26 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
Go Team.
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true, you are the cutest hot dog wearlng a hat . when do you change to your Santa hat ?
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#Rockies acquire LHP Nick Schmidt from #Padres to complete Huston Street trade.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
She did call that one
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 9, 2011 12:03 PM MST up reply actions
thanks, he seemed like the Rockies type,
And I remember the team having some interest in him before that draft, so it seemed a logical fit when it was a Winter Meetings PTBNL.
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Also
A 26 year old who hasn’t played above A+ Ball is a very underwhelming return for Street…. I really hope there is something big planned to do with the Money that was saved.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
I feel like the Oakland Raiders
Trying to acquire every former first round pick
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 9, 2011 12:08 PM MST up reply actions
Rox Girl nailed it
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whatta schmidt trade that was!
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by Resolution on Dec 9, 2011 12:16 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Schmidtty deal
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Wow RG with the call.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 9, 2011 12:35 PM MST up reply actions
Wiki on Nick Schidt
Early life and college
Nick Schmidt was born in St. Louis, Missouri and attended St. John Vianney High School. Schmidt attended the University of Arkansas, where he was named a second team All-American in 2006 while a sophomore. During the 2006 season, he had a 9-3 record with a 3.01 ERA in 117 innings.4 Schmidt was the 2006 Southeastern Conference pitcher of the year as a sophomore. He enjoyed success while on the Arkansas’ campus, being named an All-American as a freshman. Schmidt is the all-time strikeout leader at Arkansas.5 His range in speed is comfortably in the 88-92 range and also includes a solid slider and changeup, which provides a three-pitch system for Schmidt. He has the ability along with the size and strength to survive long innings while maintaining good velocity, and the natural pitching ability of Schmidt gives him the ability to get batters out even without his very best stuff.6
Professional career
Schmidt was drafted by the San Diego Padres with the 23rd overall pick of the 2007 Major League Baseball Draft and signed with the Padres as on June 28, 2007. In that year, he made his professional debut with the Class A Fort Wayne Wizards of the Midwest League, appearing in three games. Schmidt missed the entire 2008 season after having reconstructive surgery on his elbow.7 He spent the 2009 season playing with both Fort Wayne and the Lake Elsinore Storm, compiling a combined 6-8 record with a 5.24 ERA and 1.72 WHIP. The 2010 season was spent with Class A+ Lake Elsinore, where he went 6-9 with a 4.24 ERA and 1.97 WHIP. In 2011, Schmidt appeared again with Lake Elsinore as well as with the rookie-league Arizona League Padres. He had a combined 4-6 record a with 3.91 ERA and a 1.34 WHIP.
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that's an amusing typo
arenado: it's Rockie for future
by papality on Dec 9, 2011 12:19 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
haha oops i must have totally missed that
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 9, 2011 12:42 PM MST up reply actions
Much despair in Lake Elsinore today
He had spent most of his professional career there in high A ball. 2009, 2010 and 2011.
Hasn’t had a professional season with 100 innings pitched. He did finally get his K/BB above 2:1 last year, though. Pretty much for the first time in his pro career. So I guess he’s got that going for him…
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by Junction Rox on Dec 9, 2011 12:40 PM MST up reply actions
better than chatwood
boom
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6 years older, stuck in high A instead of in the MLB rotation
yeah, I can see where you’re coming from there…. lol
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by Junction Rox on Dec 9, 2011 12:45 PM MST up reply actions
K/BB:
it’s everything
arenado: it's Rockie for future
Ah, yeah that is better than Chatwood...
I guess I should at least know what stats I just posted….
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by Junction Rox on Dec 9, 2011 12:53 PM MST up reply actions
lol it's alright
i’m mostly kidding, because i don’t like chatwood
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i just wish he had the upside of kevin slowey...
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We all do :(
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LHP's can develop late.
That’s not a likely outcome, but it would be unwise to completely write him off yet. He does have some crafty lefty traits, it could just take awhile to develop that craft.
not to mention we are finally due for some LHP luck in the minors
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he has seemed to improve a little in some areas each year
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 9, 2011 12:44 PM MST up reply actions
I remember when Schmidt pitched for Arkansas
The upside is that he was really good. The downside is that while Dave Van Horn is a great college coach, he’s kind of notorious for burning up pitchers.
by Northsider1964 on Dec 9, 2011 2:18 PM MST up reply actions
We got Schidt for Street
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
by wolf213 on Dec 9, 2011 12:21 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
He went to Arkansas
so I guess what we got was hog Schidt…
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by Junction Rox on Dec 9, 2011 12:32 PM MST up reply actions
hahaha i chuckled on that one that was good
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 9, 2011 12:45 PM MST up reply actions
So..
[Ian Stewart] swapped out with other failed prospects from the Cubs.
How is DJ LeMahieu a failed prospect? /confused
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seems like he's viewed similarly to pacheco
because he didn’t rake in AAA after doing well in earlier levels, he’s a failure
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Yeah, I don't get the thing
with Pacheco “not producing in the minors.” Pretty sure that short of his last season, where he was thoroughly average, he hit all the competition he faced, with good OBP, and power.
by Purple Row Troll on Dec 9, 2011 1:21 PM MST up reply actions
as one of the older players in all those leagues
Scouting says he’ll hit for average and good gap power in the majors. We just have to see what happens (there are certainly major warning flags, though)
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And he wasn't "thoroughly average" last year
.278 with no power in Colorado Springs is downright terrible.
wow
great guy
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I guess
My expectations for a player politely leaving a city through free agency were lowered during the whole LeBron fiasco, and then again when Melo left.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 9, 2011 2:01 PM MST up reply actions
my sentiments as well...
if it’s so standard, who else has done it?
arenado: it's Rockie for future
one example does not a standard make
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Charlie Hayes did it
full page ad in the post when he left for NYY.
Well
this was a link to a webpage on the internet. My expectations for “The comments underneath” have always been set pretty low.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 9, 2011 2:19 PM MST up reply actions
Present company excepted, of course?
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/2011
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I think Purple Row is an exception
Not too many websites have lesbian hot dogs with hats.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 9, 2011 2:23 PM MST up reply actions
You called?
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No, some have lesbian bratwursts with sauerkraut
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they are
elitists.
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I think most of them are in San Diego
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Kielbasa?
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god, a brat sounds good right now.
I’d go for a straight one though.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 9, 2011 3:37 PM MST up reply actions
Mmmm I just want to smell
all the food cooking at Coors right now, and see the grass and hear the crowd… AHHHH I MISS BASEBALL. Good thing the Broncos are making things interesting, usually I’m not at this level of baseball withdrawal until mid-February.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 9, 2011 3:38 PM MST up reply actions
Jeff Passan is being a bit foolish, and trying to have it both ways
Even if Moore’s arm blows, $14M over five years isn’t the sort of anchor that would ail TB. It’s a brilliant deal — another brilliant deal.
If it’s a brilliant deal for a team, it’s not going to be that great for an athlete, and vice versa. Some deals can be good for both parties, but their relative balance will keep anybody from calling them brilliant. Longoria’s been so screwed over the course of his deal, it’s not even funny.
At any rate, $14 million over five years could anchor a team that’s having to operate with under $50 million. That would be like saying that Ty Wigginton’s contract wasn’t/isn’t an anchor to the Rockies. If Moore’s arm does blow up, it most certainly will hurt TB’s ability to field a quality team.
of course, taking a risk that Moore's contract won't become an anchor
seems a whole lot wiser use of money to me than taking a similar risk on Ty Wigginton.
How come when we make risky deals to extend awesome players who’ve demonstrated actual ML success at sub market to market rates we get panned.
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$14m isn't $157m
or whatever tulo’s was
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My guess...
Is the money involved. If CarGo’s knee turns to dust in 2014 and he’s a below-average player for the duration of his contract, that’s a ton of money lost.
If Moore’s elbow snaps in half in 2014, the move costs the team about $13MM, minus his production in 2012-13.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
I guess what my point is, however,
is that the two situations are probably a lot closer than people realize because they are making an argument that assumes the two teams’ revenues are about the same. That’s not the case, and in fact the Rockies would still have more money to spend on a 25 man roster than Tampa Bay would going by their 2011 payrolls ($88.1 M – $16M =$72.1M vs $41M – $2.5M = $38.5 M.) There’s a gap between the Rays and the A’s and the rest of the small market teams and failing on even a miniscule contract like this could have a large impact on TB.
They’re closer than what people might expect, but even if the Rockies’ payroll is going to exceed $100MM soon, that’s still a huge percentage of payroll lost if a player gets hurt. When you put an AAV deal of $3MM on the table next to the Rays’ average salary of $40MM (last 10 years), it’s not nearly as big a piece of the pie.
Comparatively, it’s not so bad if Tulo/CarGo is hurt sooner rather than later, money-wise, if it’s only a year that’s affected. But the Rays have an out in the form of those options where the Rockies do not if the injury is going to doom someone’s career or make them an average player.
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It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
via Ken Rosenthal
Sources: #Dbacks close on Cahill. RHP Jarrod Parker, OF Collin Cowgill in play for #Athletics. Could be others coming from A’s. #MLB
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#Dbacks expected to receive Breslow as well as Cahill from #Athletics. #MLB
Which means it could be substantial names heading from Arizona…
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Sickels had Parker #2
and Cowgill #14 in their organization last month. I was trying to project that on our system, but it seems like it’s a bit hard to compare Parker, just because of the big pile o’pitching they’re sitting on.
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he's definitely the most expendable of their top arms
which concerns me. I want them to pay dearly to obtain MLB ready pitching. My only consolation is that Cahill is a serious injury risk.
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all their young pitchers. all of them.
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 9, 2011 5:09 PM MST up reply actions
his delivery scares the crap out of me
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he's got the classic elbow destroying delivery shape
elbow injury waiting to happen
like some pitchers:
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 9, 2011 5:28 PM MST up reply actions
Don't most pitchers have that though?
Unless they are sidearmers
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It's not uncommon
and many experts have tried stepping away from this delivery as being “guaranteed doom”. It’s really no longer true.
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not to mention his utter lack of leg kick
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much more important factor
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don't necessarily look at the shoulders, look at the elbow angle.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 9, 2011 5:32 PM MST up reply actions
Parker + White?
Kind of. Oakland would probably want a bit better of a pitcher though.l
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 9, 2011 3:57 PM MST up reply actions
Sounds about right in total
Parker (theirs) >>> White (i’m projecting)
Parker (ours) > Cowgill (hopefully)
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That's a future estimate for Parker that might be risky given his production to date.
Cowgill’s floor is much more stable and he’s a lot closer to the MLB, which could make them equal trade commodities or even favor Cowgill by quite a bit.
I think this is actually closer to Pomeranz/Blackmon
not a bad comp for total package value, actually
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Miley may be the other play heading back in the dea
Cowgill, Parker, and Miley is a pretty decent price for Cahill.
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Maybe they could throw in Bieber too?
The A’s might like to have a nice Tulo walk-up music collection….
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Official
Jarrod Parker, Colin Cowgill, and Ryan Cook for Trevor Cahill and Breslow.
Really, really good deal for the Diamondbacks. I think the A’s could have done better.
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I definitely wouldn't call that an Ubaldo package.
Parker’s the obvious headline, but the rest drops off considerably. He’s a lot more risky than Pomeranz too, so while I think that’s the closest Rockies equivalent, our’s is the better prospect.
Cahill and Breslow to AZ certainly hurts our chances in 2012, I really don’t know if there’s a single move out there that would make us the favorite. At least, not until Robinson Cano becomes available for cheap.
Joe Saunders: part deux
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 9, 2011 3:17 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Great GB numbers, signed through 2016, slightly above league average arm. It’s a good grab for them depending on the cost in prospects.
It certainly makes their 2012 team better. If Bauer and Skaggs turn out in the next year or two, they could always flip him for prospects as well.
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Cahill is flat filthy.
Saw him pitch quite a bit with Oakland. That sinker… damn.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 9, 2011 3:53 PM MST up reply actions
Ugh.
D’backs lose some of the depth though.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 9, 2011 3:53 PM MST up reply actions
I don't know if you all saw this already, but I thought this was funny from Gaslamp Ball.
I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.
LOL that might be the funniest thing they've ever written.
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Good question
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a.
I think in order to more imply the latter, you’d have to say he shaves with an irregular shaving method.
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by prettyinpurple on Dec 9, 2011 3:51 PM MST up reply actions
I think he shaves at irregular intervals with irregular methods.
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I think he shaves at irregular intervals with ineffective methods...
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But what if his goal is to be irregularly shaven?
Then he would be using the most effective method to meet said irregularly shaved look.
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That would be most irregular
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but effective
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They're missing information about his out pitch
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 9, 2011 3:52 PM MST up reply actions
What out pitch?
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/finalobligatorydoesn’thaveonejoke
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And with that
I’ve washed my hands of Huston.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 9, 2011 3:54 PM MST up reply actions
Good night, sweet joke...
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Good night, jpgs...
D:
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by prettyinpurple on Dec 9, 2011 4:01 PM MST up reply actions 5 recs
Seems like there should be
Street Permanently Closed
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I see no reason to retire the last one....
but this post really needs to be green…
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This is the new me:
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by prettyinpurple on Dec 9, 2011 7:48 PM MST up reply actions
Is that a laptop?
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It's a lab report I got a 70 on.
I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.
by prettyinpurple on Dec 9, 2011 7:59 PM MST up reply actions
amen
I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.
by prettyinpurple on Dec 9, 2011 8:17 PM MST up reply actions
Weren't you supposed to be studying?
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Oh and Hint: don't google "Huston Street padres".
It’s depressingly blue (cap).
I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.
weird huh
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I never get used to seeing players for the first time in a different cap.
He actually doesn’t look that bad in navy.
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by prettyinpurple on Dec 9, 2011 3:53 PM MST up reply actions
He's so good looking
he could even make the cami unis work.
/throwsupalittle
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Don't stretch it.
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by prettyinpurple on Dec 9, 2011 3:56 PM MST up reply actions
It's true though.
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^5
I start tomorrow morning.
/should be studying
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by prettyinpurple on Dec 9, 2011 3:55 PM MST up reply actions
Thanks!
So did you have a lot today? Or scattered this week?
I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.
by prettyinpurple on Dec 9, 2011 3:57 PM MST up reply actions
I had two finals yesterday, two more today.
All science classes, all ridiculously hard. Really relying on the curve to help me out, so we’ll see.
Engineering for you tomorrow?
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Dec 9, 2011 3:58 PM MST up reply actions
Chemistry and Earth Science tomorrow, beginning at 8.
I need high B’s to get B’s in the class for both. Calc Monday, then home. I’m not too worried about Calc.
I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.
by prettyinpurple on Dec 9, 2011 4:04 PM MST up reply actions
...and I won't have real classes in my major til next year.
I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.
by prettyinpurple on Dec 9, 2011 4:11 PM MST up reply actions
God
it’s so nice to be graduated.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 9, 2011 3:56 PM MST up reply actions
Meh
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
Well
most of the time I would love to be back in school – but this is one of the weeks that I don’t miss.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 9, 2011 4:00 PM MST up reply actions
I just can't figure what I want to do when I grow up....this time.
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
I'm the same way
Right now, just glad to have a job that covers rent, food, gas and Rockies tickets.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Dec 9, 2011 4:02 PM MST up reply actions
Yes and no
I can’t comment here during the day when I’m at work so trying to catch up on 1000 comments the last few days has been terrible.
"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK
I doubt it. I'm sure you did just fine!
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
OT: I'm reading this from the airport
on my way back to Colorado! Not like that’s exciting or anything.
Score a goal. Unit. Basket. Go squadron! Do good! Defeat the opponents soundly in this...skirmish.
That's exciting!
I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.
by prettyinpurple on Dec 9, 2011 4:07 PM MST up reply actions
Justus coming back, YEAH
probably not permanently though, boo
"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK
Also, Go Rockies
(whoIbarelyrecognizeanymorebecausetheykeeptradingawaymyfavoriteplayers)
Score a goal. Unit. Basket. Go squadron! Do good! Defeat the opponents soundly in this...skirmish.
i got's a new sig line (partly)
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 9, 2011 5:28 PM MST reply actions
hahahahhahah
Those Taiwan news animators are at it again
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
Luftfeuchtigkeitsregler über alles.
by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 9, 2011 5:39 PM MST reply actions
David O'Brien, AJC:
Will getting Colvin ease #Rockies reluctance to trade Wheeler? If so, maybe match w/ #Braves. S.Smith & Wheeler principles in deal for JJ?
Here’s the real Braves deal to be had.
Smith + Wheeler for 2 years of Jurrjens? I believe I would do that.
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I'm actually not sure I've made up my mind, if that's too much. It's sort of health dependent with Jurrjens
I guess by “real Braves deal to be had.” I meant that he’s the much more realistic target than Prado at this point.
the health is the big issue with me as well, though the talent is exciting
Jurrjens
Chacin
Nicasio
Hammel
Slowey
isn’t a terrible way to start the season.
Jurrjens
Chacin
DLR
Pomeranz
White
Nicasio
Hammel
Slowey
by July makes me tentatively excited.
Some days, I feel like I’ve accidentally entered the Church of Tulowitzki on Baseball Easter.
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I have a surprisingly high level of confidence that Nicasio won't ever be the odd man out if he gets into the rotation in the first place.
If White, Pomeranz and DLR are going to be good and healthy enough to crack the group later in the summer, I think it’s more likely to be at the expense of Chacin in addition to Hammel/Slowey. This might be where some of my irrational exuberance for a Rockies player comes in.
That's still fewer starting pitchers than the Rockies used last year, isn't it?
"Are they called the Rockies because they rock?" - 7 y.o.
Considering Smith is now DOA.
We might as well get something useful.
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could we just do Smith for Jurrjens?
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
Luftfeuchtigkeitsregler über alles.
by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 9, 2011 6:39 PM MST up reply actions
.......
no….
Some days, I feel like I’ve accidentally entered the Church of Tulowitzki on Baseball Easter.
Proud GM of the PRMLB Cincinnati Reds!
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Nope, Smith isn't as valuable.
Smith and Wheeler actually makes sense the more I think about it. I don’t know who besides Wheeler I’d want to add that would also make up that difference.
can we throw in a pitcher to get Prado?
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
Luftfeuchtigkeitsregler über alles.
by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 9, 2011 6:23 PM MST up reply actions
or something to get him?
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
Luftfeuchtigkeitsregler über alles.
by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 9, 2011 6:23 PM MST up reply actions
something actually reasonable of course.
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
Luftfeuchtigkeitsregler über alles.
by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 9, 2011 6:23 PM MST up reply actions
Odd that the Braves seem to value Prado higher than Jurrjens
Unlike most beat reporters, O’Brien is to be taken seriously, as Braves management often speaks essentially through him. If they’re willing to trade Jurrjens for the same package they said no to for Prado, hell I dunno. That’s just weird. I guess they just love their young arms and are thinking Jurrjens might be a #4 at best anyway this year, so why the heck not. Don’t know why they don’t trade Prado and sign a Willingham or someone to hit from LF, but that’s just me.
I say, if this is accurate, where do we sign?
by BostonTransplant on Dec 9, 2011 8:44 PM MST up reply actions
Y'all know I'm not too high on Jurrjens
But Smith+Wheeler only? I’d probably do that.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Dec 10, 2011 12:37 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
JFK's Quote of the Day:
“Anyone can forget about talent, but if you’re a good person, your name will be remembered a long time.” ~Alex Rodriguez
"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK
negative nancies.
the lot of ye.
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
Luftfeuchtigkeitsregler über alles.
by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 9, 2011 6:49 PM MST reply actions
This is funny.
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Do I look like a nancy to you?
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
In line for seats at the Grand Junction Rockies 2012 home opener
Betty Jo Bielowski?
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Seriously,
my neverending adulation for anyone who gets that reference.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5XfXECpU6w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=200erlAHzU8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEltFvygT0c&feature=related
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you called?
/actually I don’t consider myself to be negative most of the time
"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK
OT: arggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhh
!#$%^&*()(*&#$%^&()_)*&%$##$%&())(*&%$##$%^
Okay thanks for listening :)
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
I have some bad news
The Nuts hat I got when I went to a game their during the summer is officially categorized as lost. I have given up hope and asked for a new one for Christmas but a tough day for Nuts related merchandise. Debating on getting a tourists one as well. That hat is pretty cool.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
Oh no! You know what, you'll find it you stop looking :)
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
Heh. Good point.
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
Sad
CraigBreslow Craig Breslow
I can no longer denounce the relevance of Twitter. It broke the story of my trade…to me.
President of Baseball Operations for the PRMLB Atlanta Braves
Interesting
"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK
O/T: Im going gambling tomorrow :D
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
Luftfeuchtigkeitsregler über alles.
by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 9, 2011 8:51 PM MST via mobile reply actions
Do you know when to hold 'em?
And when to fold ’em?
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
In line for seats at the Grand Junction Rockies 2012 home opener
I'm not much of a poker, so i probably don't actually know
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
Luftfeuchtigkeitsregler über alles.
by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 9, 2011 8:55 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
*poker player
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
Luftfeuchtigkeitsregler über alles.
by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 9, 2011 8:56 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
twss?
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
Oh I'm plenty of that
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
Luftfeuchtigkeitsregler über alles.
by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 9, 2011 8:58 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Know when to walk away
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
In line for seats at the Grand Junction Rockies 2012 home opener
Know when to run......
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
Luftfeuchtigkeitsregler über alles.
by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 9, 2011 9:01 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
yes you are
"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK
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