Monday Rockpile: Johnny Herrera v Jose Lopez: Battle of the Upsides
by Andrew Martin on Feb 28, 2011 6:30 AM MST
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On Saturday evening, after the Rockies' 8-7 defeat of the Diamondbacks, user CentralCaliRox posed the following question:
What would benefit the team more: having Jonathan Herrera and his OBP in the 2-hole, or having Jose Lopez and his power in the 6-hole?
Well, in my mind, it hinges on 3 different assumptions:
1. Herrera will be able to match his 2010 numbers
2. Lopez will be able to match his 2009 numbers
3. Seth Smith will keep himself in the lineup
1 and 2 are basically deciding who's worth playing, and 3 assumes that Smith will occupy the spot not taken and there won't be any further lineup juggling. This analysis kind of needs to take place in that little bubble.
Fact is that Lopez and Herrera are both the kinds of guys that the team needs in the lineup: lowish strikeout numbers, both around 18+% Line-drive hitters. For all intents and purposes, let's just look at them as 2 sides of the same coin.
In 2010, the Rockies got the following batting line out of their collective #2 batters: .274/.345/.403, good for a .748 OPS. Compared to the rest of the team, the #2 hole batted at a 98 tOPS+, suggesting that the #2 batted 2% worse than the average Rockie. However, that .748 OPS was good for a 104 sOPS+, suggesting that the #2 hole produced 4% better than the rest of the league's #2 hitters.
Meanwhile, the 6 hole was much more productive: .269/.340/.447, .787 OPS. Relative to the average Rockies batter, the 6 hole posted a 106 tOPS+ and relative to the Majors' #6 hole, a 112 sOPS+.
So the question is: which combination of Herrera/Smith and Lopez/Smith is most likely to outproduce the 2010 #2/#6 combination?
This then boils right back to the original question: Herrera in the 2, or Lopez in the 6? This is the part of the article where I'd look at the variety of projections (ZIPS, Marcel, Bill James) for 2011 to get an idea of what to expect from these guys, but it kind of has a couple of hitches to it.
For one, Herrera doesn't really have enough MLB playing time to really get a good handle on what he COULD do in 2011. Minor-league equivalencies are a monster to account for, as I'm sure Heltonfan would agree with. A second hitch is trying to properly adjust for Lopez' escape from SafeCo and liberation into Coors Field. Lopez could possibly get an even bigger boost in Coors, not just because Coors = offense, but also because Coors = doesn't destroy the dreams of right-handed pull hitters.
The story of both hitters is kind of surrounded by that magical BABIP thing. Herrera, despite how amazing or lucky or whatever his 2010 breakout was, ended up with a sub-.700 OPS line for the season, and his decent OBP is fueled by a batting average that I don't think Herrera can sustain. Don't get me wrong, Lopez' .609 OPS in 2010 was just screamingly bad, but remember that Herrera's line also came while batting in Coors (and there's a nasty home/road split there as well).
Truth be told, Herrera's hot streaks were the only thing that kept the #2 hole in 2010 from being a complete abomination. I get that Slappy McBloopALot grinds out ABs and fouls off pitches and has a lot of Eckstein-esque qualities to him, but I still maintain that the improvement that Smith could bring to the #2 would outweight the possibility that Herrera would be able to repeat his hot streaks and continue producing the way we saw in 2010. Honestly, I see the best-case scenario of Herrera in the #2 would be matching the 2010 production. Meanwhile, if Lopez can match the #6 production, that will sit quite nicely. This comes back to Smith again. Smith's potential improvement on the #2 is a bigger jump than his improvement on the #6. So if we operate on the assumption that Lopez and Herrera would basically hold that particular lineup slot steady, I'll take the potential jump in the #2 that Smith could provide over a questionable OBP that Herrera could provide. A .340 OBP isn't miserable, but if we're .070-.100 SLG for .020 OBP, I'd rather just have the extra slugging.
Herrera coming off of the bench? Absolutely. Herrera starting in the 2 hole? I just don't see it being worth it.
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Excellent article, thank you.
Everyone with a heart dearly wants Johnny to do well, and secure a place, but his limitations are unavoidable and can’t be overlooked because it’s a nice story. It’s a tough game, son.
So your basically saying that Herrera is
not the answer.
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Shoot beat me by literaly 8 seconds
I <3 Blackmon in the 3-hole.
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is there audio for today's game if you have gameday audio subscription?
I can’t tell from MLB.com.
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NOW who comes out on top?
by frightened inmate #2 on Feb 28, 2011 8:20 AM MST up reply actions
Gameday for all of us.
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I believe game will be on MLB.tv.
by CentralCaliRox on Feb 28, 2011 9:57 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Someone
didn’t listen to Purple Row Radio today.
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Couldnt
I’ve had class all day. I listen to them later. Midterm today too, cut me some slack :P
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Here’s what games notes saying regarding TV: FSN will replay game at 6 p.m as part of Squeeze Play, featuring game’s highlights
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Basically, here's what happened
FSN listed this game as a game they would cover somewhere along the line. Therefore, MLB.com tossed this on a list of games that would be covered. At some point, FSN dumped this game and either forgot to tell MLB.com about it, or more likely, the irresponsible Spring media coverage of MLB.com just forgot to update that this game wouldn’t be covered.
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by Greg Stanwood on Feb 28, 2011 1:02 PM MST up reply actions
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Great article
I really love your style of writing
Lopez’ .609 OPS in 2010 was just screamingly bad
that .609 matches Johnny H’s road OPS. Neither of those numbers warm the cockles.
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NOW who comes out on top?
by frightened inmate #2 on Feb 28, 2011 8:18 AM MST reply actions
The problem with this OPS view is we're looking too close at Herrera's SLG..
and we don’t need the 2-hole hitter to jack 20 bombs. In 104 career games Herrera’s career OBP is .337 meanwhile Lopez’s career OBP is .297 (which is pretty yucky for 800+ career games). I don’t care if Lopez is hitting 6th, that’s still a poor OBP for that slot.
you might have missed the park adjustment part
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 28, 2011 9:17 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
possibly, yes
But will park adjustments improve Lopez’ batting average, and in turn his OBP? I’m thinking yes.
by Andrew Martin on Feb 28, 2011 9:22 AM MST up reply actions
I think he also missed the "Seth Smith + Jose Lopez > Seth Smith + Johnny Herrera" part
by Andrew Martin on Feb 28, 2011 9:21 AM MST up reply actions
I just don't agree with your mutually exclusive points..
For instance in the 2 hole my argument is that SLG is irrelevent and OBP is most important, so in that case Herrera = Seth and Both > Lopez.
In the 6th hole getting on base and hitting for power is important, but power is most important so Seth > Lopez. In my scenario Herrera would bat 2nd and Seth would bat 6th to drive in runs.
I don't really see how SLG is irrelevant in the 2-hole.
I mean, I’m no expert, but it seems like if Seth and Herrera have equivalent OBP and they’re both 2-hole candidates, you’d take the guy with the higher SLG so he’s in scoring position more often for CarGo and Tulo.
exactly
I don’t think you can ever say slugging is irrelevant.
it's overvalued, sure, but when you weight it properly, it's very relevant.
by Andrew Martin on Feb 28, 2011 10:06 AM MST up reply actions
Overvalued is a better term..
that’s because the SLG behind Herrera would make up for his lack of power. He can still score from 1st on a double or anything bigger. If he’s on base then that means there are at least 2 more chances behind him, ie. Cargo and Tulo.
I knew overvalued is what you meant
and I agree, but if OBP are similar wouldn’t you prefer the player with more power?
Sweet.
Can’t wait to see Bryce Harper against the Mets today.
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this says 2010, but they are the 2011.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Feb 28, 2011 9:03 AM MST up reply actions
i don't think it's all of them though.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Feb 28, 2011 9:05 AM MST up reply actions
I'm so happy
that they did an anti-wave commercial.
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by Jeff Francis Day on Feb 28, 2011 9:27 AM MST up reply actions
is that' Cook's real wife in the matchmaker one?
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by frightened inmate #2 on Feb 28, 2011 12:45 PM MST up reply actions
is that the couple's real kids?
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by frightened inmate #2 on Feb 28, 2011 12:47 PM MST up reply actions
oh.
Well who is that Alyssa chick because mmmmmhmmmm
by Andrew Martin on Feb 28, 2011 12:48 PM MST up reply actions
oh I misheard then
/straightens tie again
by Andrew Martin on Feb 28, 2011 12:50 PM MST up reply actions
/shoves RMN out of the way
/checks cuffs
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yes we do.
i’ve been saying this for a while.
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Absolutely the best WTF moment of those commercials.
The only one I really laugh at though is the airport security one.
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by Greg Stanwood on Feb 28, 2011 1:04 PM MST up reply actions
I had to watch the end of that one a couple times to catch the cat's name.
But once I did, it was hilarious.
I never did catch it. What is the cat's name?
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cool t shirt the guy has.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Feb 28, 2011 12:46 PM MST up reply actions
Okay that's awesome
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I never caught that one.
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I'm not sure OPS is the best tool to use when comparing two players like Herrera and Lopez
Reason being that it’s a battle of OBP vs. SLG% and if OPS has one weakness it’s that it tends to overrate SLG% and underrate OBP.
Lopez’s career OPS+ = 86
Herrera’s career OPS+ = 71
Lopez’s career wRC+ = 83
Herrera’s career wRC+ = 81
When you compare two players of simular talents the difference between OPS and wOBA is usually so small it doesn’t matter but when you are gauging two players who’s strengths are OBP vs. SLG%, I think you have to use wOBA (and in this case wRC+ because the parks they have played in are so different) to get the real story.
I think Herrera and Lopez are pretty damn close but bring extremely different things to the table.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Feb 28, 2011 9:11 AM MST reply actions
I think Herrera and Lopez are pretty damn close but bring extremely different things to the table.
Fact is that Lopez and Herrera are both the kinds of guys that the team needs in the lineup: lowish strikeout numbers, both around 18+% Line-drive hitters. For all intents and purposes, let’s just look at them as 2 sides of the same coin.
Couldn’t agree more.
by Andrew Martin on Feb 28, 2011 9:28 AM MST up reply actions
Furthermore
OPS splits are readily available on B-R, while wOBA splits would have to be done by hand and wouldn’t come packaged with the OPS+ chain.
Thing is, the evaluation still works as it is. I’d have to dig it up (or just redo it entirely) but if you stack every player in baseball’s OPS next to their wOBA, the relative magnitude ends up being pretty much the same, with only a few exceptions. Nick Johnson, for example, had something like a .800 OPS that was comprised of a .400 OBP and .400 SLG (give or take). When stacked against another OPS of .350/.450, Johnson’s wOBA would make him jump in the rankings relative to the .350/.450 guy. But there aren’t too many guys like that in the majors, so for the most part, if all you have is OPS splits, using OPS won’t really hurt the eval. You just have to have some understanding of the scale of wOBA vs OPS.
by Andrew Martin on Feb 28, 2011 9:48 AM MST up reply actions
So if I understand correctly
You’re basically saying that Seth Smith makes Lopez’ SLG% a better fit for the Rockies than Herrera’s OBP; or am I reading too far?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Feb 28, 2011 9:54 AM MST up reply actions
effectively yeah
on the surface, ignoring lineup slots, Smith wOBA + Lopez wOBA > Smith wOBA + Herrera wOBA.
It’s a bit simplistic, and I wouldn’t hang my hat on it, but if we assume Lopez can bat somewhere in the .280-.290 range, that would likely equate to a .310-.320 OBP. While Herrera may be capable of a .340 OBP, it would come at the cost of .080-.100 SLG, and that tradeoff just isn’t smart.
Unless we’re dealing with a guy who puts up a .400 OBP, I’d rather have the better overall batters in the lineup, period, rather than sacrificing a pile of slugging for the sake of adding some OBP in the 6 hole.
by Andrew Martin on Feb 28, 2011 10:05 AM MST up reply actions
Herrera's wOBA was higher than Lopez's last season..
and Herrera’s and Lopez’s career wOBA are nearly the same! I still don’t see where this projection for increased OBP is coming from anyhow because if we look at Lopez’s highwater mark of 2008 he had a .308 BABIP which translated into a wOBA of .328 (Herrera 2010 was .311).
Herrera was playing above his head last season, and was still well below league average.
Lopez had a terrible season in Seattle, but has more offensive upside. A change of scenery could help help rebound.
I’m not sure how this is up for debate.
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I am not certain
how you can say he was playing over his head last season. Yes he performed better than his minor league numbers might suggest he would do. However, for his first extended big league action he was pretty good. There are some players (Bagwell from another argument comes to mind) who for whatever reason get better once they get to the big leagues. I happen to think Hererra might turn out to be one of those players.
Herrera is the next Bagwell?
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As a Herrera supporter, can you please tell me what you believe his ceiling to be?
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I have said all along
that he has a chance to have an Eckstein like ceiling. Going back and dating myself he reminds me of Wally Backman (with less speed) from the mid 80’s good Mets teams. The Rox can not carry him in the lineup if Ianetta, Smith, Stewie, and Helton have a season like they did in 2010. However, he is more than good enough to start on a championship calendar team if he is not asked to do too much.
I'm not sure how people around here are defending Lopez..
he’s shown clear decline since 2008. He’s gained so much weight in that time that he ate himself out of the middle infield position and his walk rate is so horrible that he makes Miguel Olivo look patient. Olivo’s BB% last season was twice that of Lopez’s.
2010 BB%
Olivo 6.3
Lopez 3.7
If he repeats something like his 2010 season
even after moving to Coors, there will be no defending him.
by Andrew Martin on Mar 1, 2011 12:22 PM MST up reply actions
Herrera = played in Coors Field
Lopez = played in SafeCo Field
You continue to neglect this fact.
by Andrew Martin on Feb 28, 2011 12:17 PM MST up reply actions
Does wOBA not park adjust?
I thought it was based off of wRC+?
by purplesocks on Feb 28, 2011 12:24 PM MST up reply actions
other way around
wRC+ is based off of wOBA, just like OPS+ is based off of OPS.
They take the raw wOBA, park adjust it, and it becomes wRC+
by Andrew Martin on Feb 28, 2011 12:27 PM MST up reply actions
You also neglect the fact..
that Lopez would have ranked the worst BB% on the Rockies last year. Coors Field won’t fix that.
Walks =/= OBP
possibly, yes
But will park adjustments improve Lopez’ batting average, and in turn his OBP? I’m thinking yes.
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by Andrew Martin on Feb 28, 2011 9:22 AM MST up reply actions
by Andrew Martin on Feb 28, 2011 12:36 PM MST up reply actions
I just want to know where are the defense fanatics are in this discussion
Herrera 2b defense >> Lopez 2b defense
by BringItHome on Feb 28, 2011 10:44 AM MST up reply actions
So start Lopez and bring in Herrera for late inning defensive replacment?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Feb 28, 2011 10:47 AM MST up reply actions
Perhaps
I’m just saying they’re replacement value should also include defense not just offense.
by BringItHome on Feb 28, 2011 10:50 AM MST up reply actions
their not they’re. I have the flu. or something that makes typos more likely to happen.
by BringItHome on Feb 28, 2011 11:52 AM MST up reply actions
That's a different argument entirely involving Lopez's worthiness to even start at 2b..
Andrew’s write-up is based off of the argument would it be better to have Herrera batting 2nd or Lopez at 6th. Although I will tip my cap to you and say Lopez is a slightly below standard defender according to UZR and Herrera is slightly above standard by the same metric.
Smith batting 2nd is easily my preference
by BringItHome on Feb 28, 2011 12:09 PM MST up reply actions
Personally I like CarGo at 2nd..
then have a bunch of scrappy hitters like Helton, Herrera, CDI at the bottom of the order to wear out the pitcher and get on base.
I think this goes against your OBP in the 2nd hole theory
Quote from above
For instance in the 2 hole my argument is that SLG is irrelevent and OBP is most important, so in that case Herrera = Seth and Both > Lopez.
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When he’s on, he is nearly unhittable. I would love to see him throw a no-no this year.
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I still feel like it was a neck-and-neck race between him and Ubaldo
and Ubaldo won, but DLR would’ve finished somewhat soon thereafter had he not gotten all hurt.
by Andrew Martin on Feb 28, 2011 9:50 AM MST up reply actions
I agree.
I thought DLR would have no-no’d first just because he strikes out so many more…..maybe he’ll get the perfect game?
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walks too many to get the PG
I don’t think him or Ubaldo are really capable of a PG for that reason alone.
That said, seeing how DLR was able to milk some more groundballs last season, some sort of “better than normal” game could still be in the works for him.
by Andrew Martin on Feb 28, 2011 9:55 AM MST up reply actions
I was thinking if he cuts down on the walks
and considering how many he does strikeout…..not too far of a reach. I don’t think Ubaldo would get a perfect game.
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I think they could throw a PG
To me a perfect game is a great pitcher coming to the park with his “A” game and then having it combine with a bunch of good luck. Ump has a big strike zone, hitters are aggressive and chasing pitcher’s pitches, no bloops fall in, no weak ground balls find holes, ect……………….
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Feb 28, 2011 10:01 AM MST up reply actions
I think they could throw a PG
To me a perfect game is a great pitcher coming to the park with his “A” game and then having it combine with a bunch of good luck. Ump has a big strike zone, hitters are aggressive and chasing pitcher’s pitches, no bloops fall in, no weak ground balls find holes, ect……………….
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Feb 28, 2011 10:02 AM MST up reply actions
I agree with both of these comments
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Trust me
The second guy is crazier :-)
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Feb 28, 2011 10:12 AM MST up reply actions
Aw man
I have SDcat09 disease.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Feb 28, 2011 10:11 AM MST up reply actions
Don't worry. It's not incurable
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I never though DLR was close to Ubaldo
Even while he’s dominating, DLR tends to do so with a high pitch count. See opening Day last year, when he had no hit stuff but couldn’t make the eighth inning. Ubaldo has at least shown the ability to get to the ninth inning, whether its with a reasonable pitch count or a poor one. Translation: I don’t buy DLR as a no hitter candidate until he shows me a complete game.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 28, 2011 10:29 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Nope
He’s gone 8 solid innings a few times though. None bigger than his September 16th performance against the Giants from 2009.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Feb 28, 2011 10:39 AM MST up reply actions
That would be the one
Inning started with the Rockies up 4-0 and the Giants had the tying run in scoring position with nobody out before Betancourt slammed the door.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Feb 28, 2011 10:45 AM MST up reply actions
I very nearly died during that 9th inning.
I was pacing in front of the TV, freaking out.
When Betancourt finished it off I woke up my entire family.
Oh that game was brilliant....and
not heart healthy. I was so pleased for JDLR during that game.
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I wonder if there is any pitcher who has thrown
a no-no who didn’t throw a complete game before the no-no.
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Dallas Braden last season.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Feb 28, 2011 10:42 AM MST up reply actions
anibel sanchez? Verlander? Clay Buchholz?
I don’t know for a fact, but they all threw a no-no extremely early in their careers
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Seems pretty plausible
Just because managers are so concerned with pitch counts these days that it’s typically only ground-ballers that go complete games. Yet you’re almost never going to pull someone who has a no-no going on, so that day that the guy who usually throws 7 or 8 innings has the stars aligned the rest is history.
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by RoarFrom112 on Feb 28, 2011 10:45 AM MST up reply actions
Armando Gallaraga, probably
I refuse to recognize Jim Joyce’s infield blunder as a hit
TuLO + UbalDO + CarGO = LODO GO
plenty have
But often when they don’t have several years of a major league track record of high pitch counts
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 28, 2011 10:51 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
strikeout pitchers are always going to run up pitch counts.
for DLR to throw a complete game it’s gonna have to be a perfect storm of his domination along with the luck of balls being put in play being atom balls. wouldn’t hurt if those BIP were early in the counts.
if that were the case, it isn’t inconceivable that nothing would drop in for a hit. but like I said, an awful lot would have to go right.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Feb 28, 2011 10:38 AM MST up reply actions
sorry fangraphs Rockies preview
the intro makes me feel like I’m in therapy
Solid article, actually....once you get past the intro, which is sorta backward
It’s those outside of here who blame the pitching, for the most part. We know our staff’s awesome, on the whole.
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by Mondogarage on Feb 28, 2011 11:21 AM MST up reply actions
it was interesting
to find out that since or inception we have had the 6th best combined pitching WAR. I would never have thought that.
Well, it's only in the Coors Field days, I think it said
and I’m assuming it’s adjusted for park factors, I dunno
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that was actually very well done
I only have two minor quibbles. Obviously, the Paulino/Cook competition is overstated. The org has given every indication that Cook will be given the chance to earn his salary, should he remain healthy.
I also think the author is looking into Tracy’s comments about Cargo’s position too strongly. If Fowler absolutely flops or is injured, I don’t think there’s any question that CarGo would be the everyday CF. He will even start there when Fowler rests. Tracy meant that CarGo would just not be flipping all around, not that he’d stay solely in LF, imo.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 28, 2011 11:21 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
I thought it was one of the more well-written Rockies write-ups too
he didn’t say stuff like Eric Young is the starting 2b and will most likely bat leadoff or that Stewart will platoon with Lopez or Wigginton…
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Pretty good.
A few things I disagreed with, but oh well.
by CentralCaliRox on Feb 28, 2011 12:44 PM MST up reply actions
Good article
I’m amazed that MLB hasn’t come up with a “blackout exemption charge” whereby
a fan could pay, say, $100 extra per season to avoid the blackouts, with the extra
revenue going mostly to the team whose blackout is being exempted. That would
raise more revenue for most teams which, as the article notes, aren’t going to get
in-person game attendance from people 400 mi. away who are blacked out.
TuLO + UbalDO + CarGO = LODO GO
bw. with the extra revenue going mostly to the team whose blackout is being exempted
there’s a nice thought.
by Andrew Martin on Feb 28, 2011 12:29 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah that would be nice
but why not just fix the map? I live in Cleveland and accept the fact that if I want to watch Indians games I should have to pay for cable. However my location ping puts me in the blackout area for the pirates and the reds neither of which are available on my local cable network. So any time the Rockies play these teams I’m left out. The problem is it is so much worse for others.
Yeah, I thought I had it bad with my Denver blackout even though I live 11 hours away..
But to be blacked out of that many teams is ridiculous.
Wait, you're blacked out from Denver games???
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hold on you have it way worse
unless you were being sarcastic, which then it’s funny. I can drive to Cinci and Pittsburgh, which if work didn’t get in the way I would do. Being blacked out of all Rockies games while living 11 hours away is criminal
Except that you get most Rockies games on tv, right?
That’s the main reason for the blackout, I think, not in-person attendance.
dunno if this would work
but would it be feasible to have blackout games available on a PPV basis? say if you subscribed to MLB.tv you could pay an extra $5 or so just per game? that way you wouldn’t be paying extra for games you couldn’t see.
i know it’s a can of worms with contracts and all, just brainstorming more than anything else.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Feb 28, 2011 12:39 PM MST up reply actions
Wow...Iowans are screwed...that's just turrrrible
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This whole thing could be solved if in the next collective bargining agreement MLB made a rule
where teams can’t claim a territory as their own unless their games are broadcasted on a local cable or satellite providor in that reigion. I see absolutely no benefit to MLB for a team to be able to claim a territory hundreds of miles away from thier home park, not air it’s games on local TV, and then black out the games on MLB extra innings and MLB TV. That’s just bad business; you’re telling your customers you’re not available.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Feb 28, 2011 12:52 PM MST up reply actions
exactly
if this costs us more money fine, but we deserve a reasonable blackout map.
Not just us but MLB deserves to make one for itself
With the advance of technology and more and more people being able to watch the games on their phones, computers, IPad’s, ect……, the current blackout map makes less sense than ever. MLB marries the recent advancment in technology better than any other sport and while they have done a decent job at showcasing this, they need to take the next step and make it something that the masses want to buy (and they won’t want to but it if the team they want to see is blacked out).
If I ran MLB, I would picture groups of people hovered around a blanket on a beach, an aisle seat on a train, or just walking through a park all watching MLB games on their newest gadgets. I think that’s the future.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Feb 28, 2011 1:09 PM MST up reply actions
Why have blackouts in the first place
I really don’t understand the fundamental aspects of the policy. Is it to maintain TV viewership/revenue? If so, why can’t there be a system were local commercials are shared by all broadcasters. For example, if you are a Rockies fan living in Cleveland, your commercials are from whoever broadcasts Indians games. With today’s technology, I can’t imagine why there isn’t something were everyone gets paid and everyone gets to see baseball!
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by BittenAnkles on Feb 28, 2011 1:42 PM MST up reply actions
it's to make sure people go to the games or something
by Andrew Martin on Feb 28, 2011 1:45 PM MST up reply actions
I think it has more to do with protecting the local broadcasters revenue stream.
If it was all about attendance, then there would be no point in blacking out road games. I like BA’s idea about having some pool of commercials that follow a team, and a pool based on location that produces revenue for the the broadcast rights-holder.
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IMO, Jonathan Herrera brings more to the 2-hole than Lopez does to the 6-hole. Jonny moves runners over, can bunt, he’s solid defensively, and he’s clutch.
Lopez brings pop, but there should be some pop coming out of Tulo, CarGo, Stewart, Iannetta, and Smith to be okay with having Jonny in the lineup. This is just my preference right now, because everybody here should know by now how frequent my opinion changes with regards to this team.
There is no sign that Herrera is going to have a dropoff from last year. In fact, I’d argue he’s going to be even better. He had a great winter in Venezuela. He looked great on Saturday (don’t want to get too excited, but yeah). I’d argue he’s exactly what the Rockies need.
With all that being said, I still see Tracy going with Lopez as the starter and Herrera as utility. Lopez starting 2nd for the first ST game hints towards that notion.
by CentralCaliRox on Feb 28, 2011 12:51 PM MST reply actions
There is no sign that Herrera is going to have a dropoff from last year. In fact, I’d argue he’s going to be even better. He had a great winter in Venezuela. He looked great on Saturday (don’t want to get too excited, but yeah).
how do you figure? every projection system has him as a AAA bat at best, and from my estimation, he had a nice scrappy hot streak that tricked people into thinking it was his full, legit performance.
by Andrew Martin on Feb 28, 2011 12:54 PM MST up reply actions
Okay, I'm not going to use stats to back this up.
He’s only 26 years old. He’s always put up solid numbers in the minors. He put up good numbers last year. He may only be a singles, BABIP hitter but he gets the job done which is what the Rockies need more than anything. He had a great winter, like I said. What’s more important is there is no evidence that he’s going to drop off at all.
by CentralCaliRox on Feb 28, 2011 1:01 PM MST up reply actions
Can someone explain to me when a sub-.700 OPS in the Minors qualified as "solid"
Barmes has really lowered our expectations of a 2B bat.
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OPS takes into account slugging.
We all know Herrera has no slugging. With him you look at avg + OBP.
by CentralCaliRox on Feb 28, 2011 1:06 PM MST up reply actions
and his numbers still aren't great for the PCL.
He’s been in the Springs for three seasons, and his OBP numbers have declined every single year.
Herrera is a suitablie replacement player, but there is zero chance he’s a major league answer.
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yeah i think thats a little overstated
I agree that right now Lopez is the obvious answer and that there is 0 chance come April that he will be anything more than a utility player. Herrera did exceed any ones expectation in 2010 regardless of the home road splits. There is still a very good chance he could be an mlb answer
I'm sorry, but I expect more than a .228 road avg and a .609 OPS
Herrera’s “success” was below replacement level last season, fueled by a .374 COORZ BABIP.
He is NOT an MLB player.
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Since when did not being an MLB player stop us from overstating someone’s ability for way too long?
Looking at you, Barmes.
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by UZ on Feb 28, 2011 1:31 PM MST up reply actions
Barmes had a better glove and showed Coors pop.
Herrera doesn’t provide anything but a decent glove as a defensive replacement and some home OBP for the occasional home start. That’s it.
And yes, I know you’re trolling :P
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There's a reason Herrera's never been on a top prospect list for the Rockies by any estimation
He’s just not that good. He had a hot streak in 2010. Why is he being hailed as the REAL starting 2B? Nobody wanted Jeff Baker starting in 2007 after he mashed all of September 2006.
by Andrew Martin on Feb 28, 2011 1:14 PM MST up reply actions
Confession:
Purple Row is really getting to me. Today in math, I spelled ‘laser’, lazor. True story. I just gaped and laughed.
by CentralCaliRox on Feb 28, 2011 12:53 PM MST reply actions
I haven't been able to properly spell "Holiday" in years.
by Andrew Martin on Feb 28, 2011 12:54 PM MST up reply actions
What? It's not 2 L's?
Well, I believe in the soul, the small of a woman's back, the hanging curve ball, high fiber, good scotch, that the novels of Susan Sontag are self-indulgent, overrated crap. I believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. I believe there ought to be a constitutional amendment outlawing Astroturf and the designated hitter. I believe in the sweet spot, soft-core pornography, opening your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas Eve and I believe in long, slow, deep, soft, wet kisses that last three days.
2 g's in Fogg too
I see it spelled with 1 ‘g’ way too frequently.
People just don’t know. I blame the schools.
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Buster Olney Ranks NL’s Toughest Schedules (Insider)
He looks at just the first 30-40 games and ranks difficulty. The Rockies come in at 14, with only Philly and Cincinnati having an easier schedule. The rest of the division comes in at 1 (Arizona), 2 (LA), 4 (SD), and 10 (SF).
14. Colorado Rockies
Games against teams with records of .500 or better: 6 of their first 37 games (all versus San Francisco)
Home/away: 14 of their first 34 at home
Notable: Despite its early slate of road games, Colorado has the kind of schedule that can launch a team into to a strong start — lots of games against the Mets and Pirates, and very, very few early games against the 2010 playoff teams.
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by CentralCaliRox on Feb 28, 2011 12:57 PM MST up reply actions
What's funny though is that I took it a different way
Yes we play easy teams in the begining but what really stuck out to me was the five trips to the east coast we make in the first half of the season. I think I would rather have the Rockies play better teams at home than make a bunch of trips to the east coast to see the Mets, Marlins, and Pirates.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Feb 28, 2011 1:18 PM MST up reply actions
but we were going to have to take a trip like that anyway
it’s better to get it over with.
by CentralCaliRox on Feb 28, 2011 1:19 PM MST up reply actions
But to have five of them in the first half and none in the second half makes the second half of the season seem a little easier right?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Feb 28, 2011 1:20 PM MST up reply actions
I would
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Feb 28, 2011 1:33 PM MST up reply actions
This is all well and good
until we finish April at 10 and 14.
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We can put one up if enough people want one.
But the game threads for GameDay only games are usually pretty slow.
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by Greg Stanwood on Feb 28, 2011 1:11 PM MST up reply actions
fair enough
I can’t say I would be all that involved anyways… I have to at least appear to be working.
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by BittenAnkles on Feb 28, 2011 1:12 PM MST up reply actions
is this little league?
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by BittenAnkles on Feb 28, 2011 1:13 PM MST up reply actions
Galarraga did it himself :D
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by Greg Stanwood on Feb 28, 2011 1:12 PM MST up reply actions
Somewhere in my tiny peabrain, I did not know that Armando Galarraga is now a Dback
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go Johnny go!
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see, now if he can keep on sluggin like that, I'm all for him starting!
by the way, that’s what we mean by SLG. We don’t mean “he has to hit 20 homers”, we mean “we want extra base hits”
by Andrew Martin on Feb 28, 2011 1:15 PM MST up reply actions
I think I know what SLG means.
I also don’t see what’s wrong with moving players over, hitting singles, etc.
by CentralCaliRox on Feb 28, 2011 1:16 PM MST up reply actions
whoa
rereading that gave me a nasty impression. Didn’t mean for that. sorry
by CentralCaliRox on Feb 28, 2011 1:17 PM MST up reply actions
nono, it's fine
Nothing’s wrong with it. I just know a double moves guys over better than a single.
by Andrew Martin on Feb 28, 2011 1:29 PM MST up reply actions
Wha?
Both only move Todd Helton over one base.
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by UZ on Feb 28, 2011 1:33 PM MST up reply actions
Good Start for Galarraga
Given up half the cycle on his first two pitches.
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Gameday doesn't count pitches, it always says every at-bat is a single pitch no matter the result
At least this early in the Spring.
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Oh noes!!! Troy has Clint Barmes disease
otherwise know as Popupitis…
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Tulo pops up at a higher rate than Barmes. Just sayin'
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You mean this season?
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Barmes had infield pop flies on 15.3% of 2010 at-bats
Tulowitzki had infield pop flies on 16.5% of 2010 at-bats
Their career numbers are similar as well.
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Seriously, I was joking
you couldn’t tell by my oh noes?
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Didn't know you knew the Tulo/Barmes stat
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Never mind
I was trying to be funny…
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he did last season
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 28, 2011 1:25 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
that would've been funny if he did
didn’t he do that last year? first spring AB
by CentralCaliRox on Feb 28, 2011 1:18 PM MST up reply actions
2009, IIRC
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Looks like Toddfather gave that ball a good poke..
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Well he is in the best shape of his career....right?
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So, is there enough interest for a Game Thread, or do we just want to stick to the rockpile?
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Does it hurt the overall PR game thread stats by not having one..
Or do those not count because it’s ST?
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I don't keep track of said stats, so I don't know.
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by Greg Stanwood on Feb 28, 2011 1:23 PM MST up reply actions
That was a joke btw...just you know a ST for everyone kind of thing
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ST games
don’t have a special creation spot like regular ones do.
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nope
Renck’s twitter is the best radio right now.
by CentralCaliRox on Feb 28, 2011 1:23 PM MST up reply actions
you see what happens when he does that
If only we had a shortstop…
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by BittenAnkles on Feb 28, 2011 1:24 PM MST up reply actions
I"m almost a little scared of Tulo have a good STand april
I figure if he has to stink I’d rather he stink now and not in September…
Not that I want him to stink at all..
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Pickoff!
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Oh my.
There are video ads in Gameday now?
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There have been video ads in GameDay for quite some time
At least mid 2009
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by Greg Stanwood on Feb 28, 2011 1:26 PM MST up reply actions
I didn't know it either. But I really don't use Gameday....so
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I have GameDay up pretty much during every game, regardless of if it is viewable elsewhere.
Helps me keep track.
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by Greg Stanwood on Feb 28, 2011 1:28 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah and it sucks
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It's 1000% better than what espn does...
They foist the add on you as soon as you log on. Plus their gameday app sucks so who really cares…
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by BittenAnkles on Feb 28, 2011 1:28 PM MST up reply actions
Bleh
According to Renck, two hard hit flyouts from D’backs.
Wow, I overanalyze things way, way too much.
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