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Ty Wigginton vs Clint Barmes - The Tradeoff

Can this man's bat make us forget the gloves of yesteryear?

In a Sunday article from Jim Armstrong, the contributions of Ty Wigginton are brought into question a bit. The article is a pretty honest look at Wigginton's "versatility" and basically makes the comparison to Clint Barmes: the Rockies are willing to trade defense for offense this season as far as Wigginton goes. His positional versatility basically means that he's going to be facing the right direction when he plays an unfamiliar position.

It should be noted that Wigginton recognizes the amount of work he has ahead of him. He plans on attempting to keep it simple, just do his best to get to the balls he can and not overcomplicate things. Armstrong responds to the challenge from the constant positional jumping: "Please. It's what he does."

On the upside, when playing 3B, he'll have Troy Tulowitzki to pick up some slack (which will probably give Tulo some flashbacks to 2007) and in RF, Dexter Fowler might have to man a bit more of that gap than he'd originally hoped. Shouldn't be anything new though, given the time he roamed CF with Brad Hawpe in RF.

Maybe.

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The tradeoff does appear to be real - at least initially.

Wigginton, since 2008, has batted a cumulative .266/.323/.442,  good for a .765 OPS and a 102 OPS+. That timeframe was good for 6.4 runs above average. Barmes, on the other hand, batted a similar .256/.305/.423 (.728 OPS) line, but when you make those park adjustments, it rounds out to a 82 OPS+ (-16 wRAA).  That's over a 2-win swing, offensively speaking.

During that same period, Wigginton was worth -16.5 runs (per UZR) while Barmes was worth 14.4 UZR. That's nearly a 3 win jump itself.

Cumulatively, Wigginton was a -10.1 run player from 2008-2010, and Barmes was a -1.6 run player. If UZR isn't overvaluing defense, the tradeoff from Barmes' glove to Wigginton's bat doesn't really seem to be worth it, if the Barmes-to-Wigginton comparison is all we're going to look at.

My best guess is that some of the SABR valuation might be somewhat countered for by late inning PH - he's been a pretty solid PH over the past 3 years, when he's been in that spot. It doesn't line up with run/win valuation, but getting that clutch hit or whatever in the 8th could bring the extra value to Wiggy that Barmes didn't provide much of. Then again, I have to wonder what the value of a pinch hitter is when compared to a late-inning defensive substitution.

The hope for Rockies fans is that the relief from Barmes-strikeout/popup frustrations will outweigh the frustration with Wigginton's lead glove.    

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I will be wishing Wiggy good luck

but I am missing the fantastic catches of Barmie, already !

by butterfly on Feb 28, 2011 11:18 AM MST reply actions  

at the end of the day I'm just not sold that Wiggington will be what the Rockies are hoping he'll be

I hope I’m wrong and that he turns out to be the additional bat the Rockies believed he can be when they signed him but I just don’t see it.

Clem Johnson? That skin bag wouldn't have lasted one pitch in the old Robot Leagues! Now Wireless Joe Jackson, there was a blern hitting machine!

by KDub1988 on Feb 28, 2011 11:44 AM MST reply actions  

I do hope Tulo is able to get a good chemistry going with Wigginton

like he had with Barmes.

Couldn’t count the amount of times they miraculously read each others’ minds to execute a inning-saving DP

Is that four tacos in your pocket, or are you just happy to see the Rockies scoring 7 or more runs?

by fantasyfencing on Feb 28, 2011 11:45 AM MST reply actions  

This

I’m thinking you’re far more likely to see Wiggy play more games at 1B to rest Todd, than 2B to rest Lopez or Herrera.

Is it ApRil yet?

No matter, Pitchers and Catchers report, spring is HERE!

by Mondogarage on Feb 28, 2011 12:19 PM MST up reply actions  

Well yeah, lots in RF too

Guess I’m just saying I don’t think we’ll be seeing him much at 2B at all, barring a big rash of injuries.

Is it ApRil yet?

No matter, Pitchers and Catchers report, spring is HERE!

by Mondogarage on Feb 28, 2011 1:06 PM MST up reply actions  

Better a good bat

The bat normally outweighs defense (unless the defense is awful.).

by Real Perspective on Feb 28, 2011 11:47 AM MST reply actions  

I am afraid

After watching some awful defense from our bench when Tracy tinkered and put a “B” lineup in I am worried that this may happen again. Maybe Wiggington will be ok and work out to league average between offense and defense, but if he is out there for Cook and even for U-ball more than a couple times I may have to start throwing things at the TV again.

Maybe i am just afraid of Tinker Tracy rearing his ugly head too often.

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by Arimaris on Feb 28, 2011 11:50 AM MST reply actions  

any sort of game thread today?

just wondering if there is any sort of game thread today. Gameday doesn’t work on my work computer so I can only see the score from the mlb front page.

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by RockiesDave on Feb 28, 2011 1:29 PM MST reply actions  

I think we'll see Wiggy at first and third more than anything else. And I was quite pleased with his play at first on Saturday.

He’s no Todd but I think he’ll be serviceable there when Todd needs a rest and we need a RH bat.

Good pitching will beat good hitting any time, and vice versa. ~Bob Veale, 1966

by pedalpusher on Feb 28, 2011 2:35 PM MST reply actions  

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