Pirates 3, Rockies 0: Snoozing Bats Slip into Coma
The Colorado Rockies offense has been subpar, especially of late. Coming in, the had managed more than six hits in just two of their last nine games. They came in hitting just .239 for the season, but in games where the hits weren't coming, the sticks had managed to avoid being shut out...until tonight.
Colorado managed just five singles on the night and never truly threatened against Kevin Correia. The veteran right-hander was locating well, but Correia isn't the type of pitcher capable of exclusively recording goose-eggs without notable help from the offense. Sometimes you tip your cap to the opposing pitcher, but not when that pitcher is Kevin Correia. Amidst the swirling wind and snow, the Rockies offense finally let those eyelids fall all the way shut.
The Rockies have, in some ways, been fortunate to have such a sparkling record with an offense that been spotty at best. So it is encouraging perhaps and ironic where those five menial singles came from. Aside from Seth Smith, the remaining four hits came from gentlemen who were a combined 35-for-196 for the season (a .179 average).
- Chris Iannetta broke up Correia's "no hitter" in the third and a 14 AB hitless streak with a screaming line-drive at second baseman Neil Walker, who couldn't corral the ball.
- Jose Lopez ripped a line-drive past shortstop Ronny Cedeno for the first legitimate hit. That broke a 15 at bat hitless streak.
- Alfredo Amezaga came into the game as a defensive replacement and rolled a single for his first plate appearance in the majors this season.
- Carlos Gonzalez finally broke his hitless streak (which had reached 24 ABs)....with a bunt single in the ninth.
Hopefully those hits "broke the seal" of those slumps. Todd Helton did drive two balls to the warning track in left field, balls that would have been impressive opposite field home runs in more friendly weather.
The comprensibly feeble offensive effort ruined another splendid outing by Jhoulys Chacin, who was extremely sharp for 95% of his night. The young right-hander allowed just six hits, but half were of the extremely damaging extra base variety.
Rockie-killers Garrett Jones and Andrew McCutchen took advantage of mistake pitches for solo home runs. In his final inning, a two out single preceded a triple by Ronny Cedeno on a mistake two strike fastball over the plate.
Otherwise, Chacin was fastastic. He struck out eight on the night and did not allow a free pass, and had the groundballs coming just as frequently as the punchouts. Chacin falls to a hard-luck 3-2, with his ERA rising to 2.91.
Every team has clunkers in a 162 season. It is a bit tough to swallow in a Chacin/Correia matchup when Chacin pitched very well. Hopefully the bats remember Paul Maholm is slated to pitch tomorrow and snap out of it.
WPA Heroes
Jhoulys Chacin (+.053): 7.0 IP, 3 ER, 3 R, 6 H, 8 K, 0 BB, 8/2 GB/FB.....(-.063). 0-for-1, sac bunt.
Alfredo Amezaga (+.046): 1-for-1 PH 1B.
Felipe Paulino (+.016): 0.2 IP, BB..
WPA Zeroes
Dexter Fowler (-.135): 0-for-4, 3 K.
Troy Tulowitzki (-.121): 0-for-4
Todd Helton (-.112): 0-for-4, K, 2 warning track flyouts.
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Not the funnest game by any stretch of the imagination....
But we have 138 left :-D
AL is not real baseball. It’s arena football with sticks. - Paleface Destro
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Apr 29, 2011 10:00 PM MDT reply actions
Best news of the night! ;-D
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by Rox the Casbah on Apr 29, 2011 10:12 PM MDT up reply actions
Well, that and the Giants losing :-)
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by Rox the Casbah on Apr 29, 2011 10:12 PM MDT up reply actions
I do like this... a lot
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Apr 29, 2011 10:13 PM MDT up reply actions
To continue with the Fire Carny Landsford thing I was going with...
Yes, I was being sarcastic. But realistically, there is something not right about a team’s offense that’s batting at .220 or whatever, and has gotten almost no-hit about 5 times in the young season.
Was there any reason why we got rid of Don Baylor, a guy who’s been a part of this club for so long and has made the Rockies an organization known for their offense….every…year.
And then we get Carny Landsford, a guy who as the hitting coach for the Giants, think about this for a moment.
Carny Landsford - a guy who *was the hitting coach for the Giants
Has there been any official statement on what actually certified him to be our hitting coach? A press release – anything?
Oh, FFS, at least spell his name right if you're gonna throw him under the bus...
…it’s “Carney Lansford”. ‘e’, no ‘d’
If you're going to try to tie this offense to the Giants offense via Lansford, you have to explain to me one thing
The Rockies rank 5th in MLB in pitches/PA at 3.92 and are 4th in MLB in walks with 95.
When Lansford was the Giants’ hitting coach in 2009, the Giants ranked dead last in pitches/PA at 3.62 and dead last in walks with 392.
Lansford preaches “professional ABs”, which means being patient and hitting the right pitches to the right spots. If Lansford is to blame for both, he’s doing a creative way of doing it with completely separate theories.
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Apr 29, 2011 10:12 PM MDT up reply actions
If he's teaching patient ABs then some of our fellas aren't listening.
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I agree with you...
But also, we have more BBs than any other club in the National League right now
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Apr 29, 2011 10:17 PM MDT up reply actions
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Apr 29, 2011 10:17 PM MDT up reply actions
Then the only argument I have..
Is that sometimes be overly patient isn’t a good thing. You sit their being “patient” and before you know it – the counts 0-2 or 1-2. Then, our hitters will take maybe another ball, foul off a pitch or two, and end up striking out on a 2-2 count slider down and away. Sure, it may have been an 7 to 9 pitch at bat (increasing the Rockies pitch count / at bat statistic as you say reference) but what does it gives us other than a glorified out?
This is a fast ball hitting team playing in a hitters park, stop going for the walks and turn on a fastball. Sometimes the first or second pitch you’ll get is the best pitch you’ll ever see.
I’m still shocked Dan gave Landsford the job, he was the Giants hitting coach for 2008 and 2009, and is now getting 500,000 a year as the hitting coach for the Rockies? Shoot, sign me up I can tell the guys to “hit foul pole to foul pole and wait on a good pitch” all day for 500 K.
It's easy to get down after a game like tonight
Tonight was horrible, plain and simple. But there were plenty of horrible games where we got shut out with Baylor too. I’ll call the team out for it and say they need to do better tomorrow, but I wont call for a coach’s job. Let’s take a longer perspective and think about how many games we lost last year due to 1-for-12 with RISP, a small army of LOBsters, and guys swinging for the fences and striking out. Let’s contrast that to the productive at-bats we’re seeing this year, advancing runners, smart hitting. I believe a significant portion of the improvement in the Rockies’ record this year, especially on the road, can be attributed to Lansford.
It’s baseball. Even the best teams get their asses handed to them once in awhile.
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by RoarFrom112 on Apr 29, 2011 10:31 PM MDT up reply actions
Hm, soothing words.
I’m just salty that we lost – at home, to the Pirates and got shut out by a yest-a-year pitcher.
somehow you managed to overrate and underrate the impact of a hitting coach in the same post
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Apr 29, 2011 10:31 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
A sign of true talent if you ask me ;-)
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by Rox the Casbah on Apr 29, 2011 10:32 PM MDT up reply actions
Feel free to assign some responsibility to the men actually at the plate. It’s not as if Lansford is purposely telling them to suck. I guarantee if they were getting hits their patience would be praised. If they were swinging early and getting hits we’d be praising that.
At some point let’s fault the batters and not try and slough it off on the hitting coach.
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by Andrew Martin on Apr 29, 2011 10:55 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
This SO much!
@CentralCaliRox
Can we bring Stewart back? Like NOW!
by CentralCaliRox on Apr 29, 2011 11:40 PM MDT up reply actions
You do realize
Carney Lansford was the hitting coach at the Sky Sox right? Before he went to SF, he was the guy that the team was sending players down to, to get straightened out.
The oxen are slow, but the earth is patient.
by rockieprogress on Apr 30, 2011 8:47 AM MDT up reply actions
24 games into the season
and 8 games above .500. Seems a little early to be calling for someone’s head. Yeah, we sucked tonight. Yeah, we’re scuffling at the plate. I appreciate the frustration. But let’s at least let a couple of months play out before we start pointing fingers.
Get your purple on.
I just spoke to the nicest person on MLB's Customer Service..
trying to get setup with a MiLB.tv account. It sounds like they’re having trouble signing up existing MLB.tv users for the discount, which at $10/year is a pretty good value. The lady I spoke to was based out of NE Texas and unfortunately my phone hung up on her.
In other news...
OHAI! I got through my work e-mail! Too bad Destro has to go to work tomorrow (for 12 HOURS!) and I have to get up early to Skype into a training and hope my kids don’t riot…
It'll all be ok in the end. If it's not ok, it's not the end.
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by Rox the Casbah on Apr 29, 2011 10:14 PM MDT reply actions
Cum on, feel the noize
amidoinitrite?
It'll all be ok in the end. If it's not ok, it's not the end.
"I hope this game isn't horrible. Because if it is, we're going to have to wait until tomorrow to see the Rockies win." ~6-yo
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by Rox the Casbah on Apr 29, 2011 10:49 PM MDT up reply actions
Pitching and Defense wins championships, but you do need to score a few runs too
34,777 people who had to pay to get in showed up tonight and braved the cold (well, some percentage of them anyhow). Unfortunately, 20 or so guys who get paid to go to the ballpark took a 3rd day off.
On the positive, Chacin went deep into the game and pitched well enough to keep the game within reach. CarGo also broke his 0-fer streak (bunt base hits count for hits!). But way too many balls hit to the warning track late in the game on a cold, damp night. Way too many guy in slumps at the same time.
Unfortunately, the weather is forecast to get even worse over the weekend, but the Rockies played well in Chicago in bad weather so we know they can do it. It would be wonderful to come out swinging (and hitting) tomorrow and nip this thing in the bud.
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Clay Mortensen is tied with Aroldis Chapman for one of the worst K/BB rates among rookies this year..
Meanwhile Matt Reynolds has one of the best rookie rates in the NL.
Being shut out at home- disappointing.
Anyway, the Rox were the reason for the freezin’!
(Me and my dad made that up at the game.)
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by prettyinpurple on Apr 29, 2011 10:30 PM MDT reply actions
or maybe the freezin' was the reason...
… nah, I got nothin’.
It'll all be ok in the end. If it's not ok, it's not the end.
"I hope this game isn't horrible. Because if it is, we're going to have to wait until tomorrow to see the Rockies win." ~6-yo
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by Rox the Casbah on Apr 29, 2011 10:32 PM MDT up reply actions
Furthermore, regarding Carney Lansford...
If you say that he’s preached patience and thus we are 5th in the majors in walks, we are also 6th in all of MLB in STRIKEOUTS.
Meaning, we’re striking out and walking a lot – wow – this is super awesome for a team that can hit homers and get extra base hits left and right >/ This basically tells me we’re getting into a lot of 2-2 and 3-2 counts. And it turns into a coin flip on what that final pitch is, a K or a BB.
I don’t doubt that some of our hitters should benefit from Carney’s methods, like Fowler and Iannetta, but a lot of them – don’t. Cargo works better aggressively – just look at some games from last year, he’s a first pitch hitter. That’s what CarGo is and does. This season, he takes the first pitch – fouls off the second pitch (often breaking pitch) and then he’s 0-2 and we all know what happens.
I think Baylor’s style worked well with Cargo, and Carney’s style is pure kryptonite for him. You shouldn’t preach patience for the entire team, it’s specific player to player. Cargo, needs to be first pitch swinging, he was doing that in 2009 and 2010 + playoffs. Go watch some video if you must.
You probably are correct about CarGo
I do think Baylor suited him better, but when CarGo and Tulo were hitting and the rest of the team wasn’t it wasn’t all that great either.
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by RoarFrom112 on Apr 29, 2011 10:36 PM MDT up reply actions
We have no way to know whether or not Lansford is tailoring his approach based on the hitter. I suspect he is. Doesn’t mean he’s going to immediately have perfect results for everybody.
And there’s also no way to know for sure whether the change in hitting coach is the reason for CarGo’s struggles so far this year. Correlation does not automatically equal causation. Give it a bit more time.
The greatest tragedy of all: I don't really have anything to drink. ;-)
Oh yeah, and I have to get up at 0730 tomorrow. On a Saturday. When my kids might actually sleep in because they were up hellalate.
It'll all be ok in the end. If it's not ok, it's not the end.
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by Rox the Casbah on Apr 29, 2011 10:33 PM MDT reply actions
Ouch
tonight’s a good night for having something to drink.
Sadly, I have to get up early tomorrow as well though
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by RoarFrom112 on Apr 29, 2011 10:34 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm in a similar boat for tomorrow.
In fact, I preemptively hate tomorrow. I’ve got a church service project in the morning, have to meet at a friend’s house a few minutes before 8. Then, after that, come home to shower and change and then head to a church conference up in Oakland that starts at 1pm and goes to 8:30 or so (with a dance after that—yeah right, like I’m going to stick around when I got up so early). Why they planned these things on the same day I will never know.
And, of course, along those lines, that means I won't be around for the game tomorrow.
Or at all, really. So just a heads-up for all.
Yeah...
I gotta get up urly too.
School Science/History/Art/Everything Else Fair. Yipee.
Uggggghhhh.
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by prettyinpurple on Apr 29, 2011 11:52 PM MDT up reply actions
WOW
in other news, 3-3 for tonight’s threads :-D
It'll all be ok in the end. If it's not ok, it's not the end.
"I hope this game isn't horrible. Because if it is, we're going to have to wait until tomorrow to see the Rockies win." ~6-yo
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by Rox the Casbah on Apr 29, 2011 10:51 PM MDT up reply actions
Oddities
June 27, 2010 Pirates @ Rockies. Pirates win 4-2.
De La Rosa goes 7 innings, gives up 3 runs (2 earned), takes the loss
Team BARISP: 0.00 (0-for-6)
Team LOB: 6
The Rockies two runs came from solo home runs by Barmes and Hawpe, neither of whom are with the team now
April 29, 2011 Pirates @ Rockies. Pirates win 3-0
Chacin goes 7 innings, gives up 3 runs, takes the loss
Team BARISP: 0.00 (0-for-4)
Team LOB: 6
Baseball’s a funny game
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The Rockies last nine games on offense tell a very ugly story
1) 4/18 vs. SF: Get no hit by Lincecum into the 7th inning at Coors: score just one run.
2) 4/19 vs. SF: Get one hit by Jonathan Sanchez into the 7th inning at Coors.
3) 4/20 vs. SF: Torch Matt Cain and the Giants bullpen for 10 runs (Ah, wasn’t that refreshing)
4) 4/22 @FLA: Get no hit by Anibal Sanchez into the 9th inning.
5) 4/23 @FLA: The offense manages just three runs as Herrera and Tulo each have multi hit games while the rest of the lineup goes an anemic 2-23. The Rockies are able to squeak out a win only because Jason Hammel had his best outing of the season.
6) 4/24 @FLA: Rockies get no hit into the 6th inning (At least it was to Josh Johnson this time. I give them a pass here.)
7) 4/25 @CHC: Rockies win 5-3 but if we’re being fair, the offense was bad enough to get shutout. Colorado scored three runs on THREE STARLIN CASTRO ERRORS IN ONE INNING and then got the other two in a 5th inning that included a bunt base hit, a walk, and an error. Another way to look at it is that the Rockies had just four hits all night: two seeing eye ground balls, one bunt hit, and one actual line drive hit. My favorite stat from this game though: Kosuke Fukudome had five hits on the night while the entire Rockies offense had four hits. If it wasn’t the Cubs, I’d be surprised the found a way to lose.
8) 4/26 @CHC: Rockies win 4-3 and collect 3 HR’s (Two by Todd Helton. Boy did that bring back some memories) but that looks a lot less impressive when you consider that A) It was against James Russel and his 8.31 ERA and B) It was on a night where the wind was howling out to center which makes Wrigley a hitter’s paradise.
9) Tonight vs. Pirates: Rockies get shut out by Kevin Correia and the Pirates bullpen at Coors.
That’s a pretty large collection of trash from the bats right there and the Rockies are extremely fortunate to have gone 4-5 in this stretch. We need to turn this around and fast.
I wasn't alive during the dead ball era; but thanks to the Padres, I know what baseball was like back then.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Apr 29, 2011 10:51 PM MDT reply actions
you know, i usually like to hear fairy tales at bedtime
not horror stories. :(
It'll all be ok in the end. If it's not ok, it's not the end.
"I hope this game isn't horrible. Because if it is, we're going to have to wait until tomorrow to see the Rockies win." ~6-yo
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by Rox the Casbah on Apr 29, 2011 10:56 PM MDT up reply actions
The good news is that we have not gotten burned for it yet because
A) The pitching has been awesome
B) We have played much better defense than our opponents
C) We’ve gotten at least one game gift wrapped
I think the offense will get better and as long as it’s decent, our pitching and defense will keep us rolling along. Even our pitching/defense can’t be asked to play with this type of run support though. It’s pathetic.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Apr 29, 2011 11:04 PM MDT up reply actions
Aw, don’t discredit Helton’s homers. Wind or no, nobody else hit 2 homers.
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by Andrew Martin on Apr 30, 2011 8:33 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Wind also was not a factor on Wigginton's HR
That ball was crushed. And his double just didn’t get up high enough to get any help from the wind, or it might have gone out too.
by Northsider1964 on Apr 30, 2011 8:44 AM MDT up reply actions
Not the message I wanted to send there
Helton is actually the one thing about the offense right now that I’m elated about. He looks as good as he has in many, many years; and the HR he hit to center in that game would have gone out if the wind was blowing in.
What was not impressive about that game was the offense as a whole only scoring four runs against James Russel on a night where the wind was howling out at Wrigley.
I wasn't alive during the dead ball era; but thanks to the Padres, I know what baseball was like back then.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Apr 30, 2011 1:16 PM MDT up reply actions
Thanks Rhodelsland for that research.
It kind of shows that there is something very wrong with the approach we’re having as a team offensively.
I don’t doubt that we had some games last year or the year before where the offense took a day off – but to consider, that 9 of our last game, almost 40% of the games we’ve played in this season – are like that. Nearly 40% – an offensive based team playing in a hitters friendly ball park.
Does this not ring warning bells for anyone else? Especially since we’ve acquired the Giants batting coach? That our battle title champion is hitting .209. That our 7 and 8 guys (bothing starting and back up) are collectively below .200? That our lead off guy is hitting .260 with the MOST STRIKEOUTS?
We’re starting to get to that point where this is no longer a small sample size, and rather a taste of things to come for the month of May.
I promise you this – in this series, we won’t score more than 5 runs.
I promise you this – in this series, we won’t score more than 5 runs.
Oh really?
You can’t predict baseball. The Rockies scored five runs in a game last Monday in a game where they had one hit off the ground out of the infield all night. I agree that there’s issues but that’s taking it a little too far.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Apr 29, 2011 11:08 PM MDT up reply actions
If somebody told me that Rockies would be hitting the way they’ve been hitting for the past 9 games and to get almost no hit 4 times out of those 9 games, I’d think they were taking things too far as well.
No one told me that the season would be this way...
Oh, wait, that’s Maria’s line.
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by prettyinpurple on Apr 29, 2011 11:53 PM MDT up reply actions
Warning bell, yes; calling for a new hitting coach, not yet
just for fun though, I’ll bet you a beer at Coors Field that we do score more than 5 runs in this series (once all games are played of course since there’s a good chance at least one will be rained/snowed out). I’m confident that the offense will get turned around. Why not this weekend?
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by RoarFrom112 on Apr 29, 2011 11:10 PM MDT up reply actions
I would honor that challenge.
But I no longer live in Denver since I go to school in SoCal.
Ah
you know, location would be a useful thing to have in the SBN profile.
Let’s just do it for bragging rights then, although if you do happen to win and ever make it back to Denver for a game that I’m also at I’ll buy you a beer anyway ‘cause really you can’t go wrong having a beer with a fellow fan at a ballgame.
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by RoarFrom112 on Apr 29, 2011 11:16 PM MDT up reply actions
Deal.
I would hope for nothing more than an all out offensive barrage this series, but sometimes when you expect the worst, it’s not as frustrating. Regardless, I still expect the Rox to win the next two, offense be damned due to solid pitching.
From your perspective, it's really no-lose
Either you get to see some good hitting by the Rox or you win a bet and maybe a beer. Not bad.
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by RoarFrom112 on Apr 29, 2011 11:21 PM MDT up reply actions
*naturally, I hope I’m wrong. But nothing today shows that we’re going to break out huge offensively for the series.
I really need to find an axe-grinding gif or jpg...
…starting three different mini-threads here and one in the game thread, all about lynching Lansford? That’s a little much.
Also, you’re working on an old paradigm with your thoughts, specifically all the way back to a pre-humidor paradigm…
you have made it clear that to you this team has to be based on offense first, with a smattering of defense, and that pitching’s the dump-stat. That style has never won championships, and with the ball performing more nearly here to what it does at sea level, it no longer has to be followed to make the Rockies competitive at home (and a hot mess on the road). I’m fine with a middle-of-the-pack offense backed by a top-5 pitching staff; I don’t see why you think this still has to be an Earl Weaver team.
Also, your bit about "a fastball-hitting team" may be true...
…but we aren’t going to SEE fastballs, especially the first pitch! CarGo’s in for a steady diet of curves and changes until he proves he can lay off the ones out of the zone or hit the ones in it…
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Apr 30, 2011 7:39 AM MDT up reply actions
I've gone to 4 games now this year,
and the game after the game I attend, the Rockies always win. So there’s that.
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by prettyinpurple on Apr 29, 2011 11:55 PM MDT reply actions
Would this be an appropriate time
to point out that the Rockies are currently 4th in the NL in runs scored per game?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Apr 30, 2011 7:39 AM MDT up reply actions
Goddamn Lansford. They should be 1st.
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by Andrew Martin on Apr 30, 2011 8:37 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
whatever happened to that Baylor guy?
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If we take the first 24 games as a whole
the offense has not looked awful despite a team wRC+ of 84 on the season. It’s the offense that has shown up the last nine games that’s the problem — and even though they have faced good pitching, it’s that they don’t seem to grind out AB’s and make the starter work that’s troubling. As a whole, they are much to easy to dominate.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Apr 30, 2011 1:35 PM MDT up reply actions
There just wasn't a single pulse
by the Rockies in this game. Except for Chacin of course (who puts out another great effort). This offense is freaking me out with their terribleness. Almost no-nit a few time and also get shut out by Kevein freaking Correia IN Coors Field!!
I’m also worried about Cargo, how much longer can we say “He’ll come around?” He just looks completely lost to me.
Eff the Giants
Tulo his .244, .152 and .200 in his first three Aprils
CarGo is actually better than that average. So it’s hardly a harbinger of a complete irreparable meltdown
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Apr 30, 2011 7:41 AM MDT up reply actions
Whats even more scary for CarGO
Is that the defense today was playing shifted. With the shortstop near up the middle.
Cargo would have had two base-hits if not for that shift (decently hit groundballs up the middle).
This is even further going to dampen Cargo. He needs to learn to hit the ball to the opposite field. Play to the gaps, and – I think – learning to go the opposite way will giving better plate discipline / vision. He may not be able to hit as many homers, but he’ll be getting on base quite often for Tulo. And I do think Cargo has the power for opposite field homers.
The Pirates also made four or five defensive plays
That changed the complexion of the game. This after playing Bad News Bears defense the day before. Rockies’ bats were lifeless, but this made it even worse.
Carlos has always had stretches where he swings at everything and tries to pull pitches that are 8 inches off the outside corner. He’ll get it turned around.
You’re right, the Giants did stink offensively when Lansford was there. And after he was fired, they stunk even worse under Bam Bam Muelens. They only became a respectable offensive team when they dumped several underperforming players and replaced them with guys who could hit.
by Northsider1964 on Apr 30, 2011 6:19 AM MDT up reply actions
That changed the complexion of the game. This after playing Bad News Bears defense the day before.
I don’t know what it is about the Pirates defense at Coors Field but they seem to always step up their game there.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Apr 30, 2011 1:31 PM MDT up reply actions
Every dog has his day.
This is baseball people. April is a pitchers month. We have a very patient team at the plate, and Pirates pitching tonight COULD NOT miss their spots. You don’t see that often. Especially from 3 different pitchers.
The season will warm up, and things will loosen up a bit. I have seen nothing but promise from this team. I’ve said that in the past, but in the past I didn’t get to look up and see us 3.5 games up in the division. Normally this would be excuse making, but we have the damn lead.
And anyone saying Cargo needs to be more aggressive should just stop watching baseball. I mean this. Because Cargo has gotten himself out 95% of the time this year by being too agressive. Pitchers are giving him nothing to hit, and Cargo is trying to hit it anyways. Until he can keep the bat on his shoulders for a few at-bats, pitchers will continue to do this.
It makes one wonder why he's being so impatient.
Is this something that he and the hitting coach would be trying to correct?
Is it a matter of CarGo believing he should be able to hit any pitch? (Over confidence?)
Does the umpire’s strike zone (or lack there of as the case may be)cause CarGo to change his approach each at bat?
I don’t know which would be better, for him to just take pitches and hope the umpire calls them correctly? Or keep trying to make contact.
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When Carlos is hitting again
It will be because he’s laying off the completely unhittable pitches and taking those borderline pitches that are 2-3 inches off the outside corner into left field. That’s the thing about him – he can get away with expanding the strike zone, he just can’t expand it into the RH batter’s box.
Once he starts wearing out the opposite field, it will force pitchers to throw him something inside that he can pull. Then, and only then, will he start putting up HRs.
I’m actually not all that surprised that pitchers have wised up and stopped throwing him strikes. I’m surprised it took them this long.
by Northsider1964 on Apr 30, 2011 8:16 AM MDT up reply actions
It does make me wonder
but at the same time I think a lot of us are wondering why Dex is being so incredibly patient, to the point that a huge % of his ABs are ending up in either walks or strikeouts, and even more are going deep in the count.
When we’ve got one guy looking too patient and another looking too impatient, that points to something going on with the players, not something that is coming from the hitting coach…
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by Junction Rox on Apr 30, 2011 8:21 AM MDT up reply actions
Fowler looks better than last year
And so do Herrera, Helton and Smith. Tulo is still Tulo and Iannetta is, well, still Iannetta but he’s getting on base at a decent clip. So this is really about getting Carlos back on track and getting some production out of 3B – two problems that hardly seem insurmountable or that are unique to the Rockies.
I think another important thing to keep in mind about last night is that this year WE ARE ACTUALLY DISAPPOINTED when the team falls behind and doesn’t stage any kind of rally. Last year that was so commonplace we came to expect it. So if we’re going to take a poll on whether to stick with Lansford or bring back Baylor, I’ll cast about 1000 votes for the former.
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