Tuesday Rockpile: Chris Iannetta - All Star
by Andrew T. Fisher on May 10, 2011 8:00 AM MDT
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I have been criticized more often of being biased in favor of Chris Iannetta than any player I have ever written about. It isn't that I actually believe he's an All-Star caliber player longterm or a franchise centerpiece. He isn't even that great of a hitter. He still strikes out way too much. He's a mistake hitter who hits a ball in his wheelhouse a long way but is as hopeless as any against a well executed pitch. 
My defense of the Rockies' catcher was not as much a defense of Iannetta as much as it was a criticsm against the popular critical rationales against him - incorrectly judging his walks with RISP, overrating batting average, and FISTPUMPZ. As a role player, he has been more than fine. I say that with no emotional ties but a heavy constant reminder of a slew of statistics.
In fact, he has been more than fine this season. Christopher Dominic Iannetta has been All-Star caliber in 2011, and he has been the Rockies' best hitter this season. Take your pick of traditional or sabermetric statistics (right) - his 2011 campaign has become impossible to ignore.
At this point in time, there is no conceivable argument to say Iannetta does not deserve to be at the All-Star Game if voting ended today. He is clearly Colorado's best hitter and almost certainly the best overall catcher in the National League.
He has a six game hitting streak and has a hit in 8 of his last 9 starts. He walked twice in the other game. He has reached base at least twice in 7 of 10 games, homering in two of the outliers. He has pelted a roundtripper in the Rockies' last three victories (they are 4-1 when he goes yard).
How has he done it? Thomas Harding and Nick Kosmider have the answers:
Iannetta has made several mechanical adjustments at the plate. He has focused on moving his hands into position during his startup. The result has been a softer landing of the front foot, which allows Iannetta to better cover the strike zone.
The result has been a line drive rate much higher than we have seen from him since 2008, a career-high HR/FB rate and a near career low fly ball rate. This is precisely what we have been waiting to see from the Rockies' catcher.
In fairness, I must point out this article does cherrypick beautifully the timing of his hot streak against the rest of the ice cold line-up. I do not trust he will keep this up (and in terms of Rockies' rankings, I hope to god those change). He will cool off and almost certainly fall down the leaderboard by July. But the man deserves his due, especially when he is the only one in the line-up producing. If he continues anywhere near this rate, it might make for an interesting off-season debate regarding Iannetta and Wilin Rosario.
Take the jump for several articles on players who are not hitting.
Rocky patch: Troy Tulowitzki all baseball, all the time - USATODAY.com
Bob Nightengale touches on the slump of Tulowitzki, painting a picture of a man obsessed with baseball, almost to the point of annoying his friends and teammates.
"He's so tough on himself, he drives himself absolutely crazy. He puts so much pressure on himself - mentally and physically." - Evan Longoria
"All I can say is, thank God I had a TV in my own room. All Tulo did was watch baseball and sports. I had to break away and watch a movie once in a while. Baseball doesn't have to be 24 hours." - Jason Giambi
Krieger: Stewart's time is almost up - The Denver Post - It seems a little silly to say that Stewart's tenure in Colorado is reaching an end when you consider his past performance and that of the rest of the Rockies' third baseman. Then again, his historically paltry batting line is hard to ignore as well. My take - there is no reason to "cut bait" with him before June given Colorado's stable of hot corner tenders.
Stuck With Stewart | FanGraphs Baseball
Matt Klaassen touches on the Stewart conundrum, suggesting the best course of action is to play him exclusively for a while.
Fowler continues to baffle: high strikeouts and walks - The Denver Post - I'm not sure why this is so baffling to Jim Armstrong. Fowler swings at just 20.4% of pitches, one of the 20 lowest rates in the majors. More pitches equal more chances to walk....and to strikeout.
Rockies' Gonzalez looking for answers - The Denver Post - It hurts enough when your cleanup hitter is struggling. It is that much harder to deal with when your 3-hole hitter is hitting even worse.
"No, I don't feel comfortable. I haven't felt comfortable, but I will. I'm just trying to find it. And when I find it, I won't lose it." - Carlos Gonzalez
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He is clearly Colorado’s best hitter and almost certainly the best overall catcher in the National League.
I’m not sure what to say or how to react to that…whether I should be pumped he is having a good year…or that reminds me that Tulo and Cargo must be sucking
If it makes you feel any better,
Even if Cargo/Tulo had the same wRC+ in 2011 as they had in 2010, Iannetta would still be higher by a shade.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on May 10, 2011 8:42 AM MDT up reply actions
Iannetta's .247 avg is right at his ceiling, correct?
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He has now exactly matched his 2008 BABIP but has a lower LD rate
So….almost
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by Andrew T. Fisher on May 10, 2011 8:38 AM MDT up reply actions
Where does he rank in Passion™ Latin Fury™ and Fistpumpz™?
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That sounds like an awesome drink
You should offer than alongside your punch next time.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on May 10, 2011 8:41 AM MDT up reply actions
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Not to mention ...
… he’s been a beast at throwing out would-be base stealers, hasn’t he? I don’t know his percentage so far this year, but it seems like every time I look, he’s pegging a guy at second.
That's in the table, second row from the bottom
35%, 3rd in the NL. He started really slow but has gotten quite a few this past week, though some of those were due to dumb decisions on the other team’s part. Juan Miranda – really?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on May 10, 2011 8:37 AM MDT up reply actions
Pegging meaning throwing runners out has been around a lot longer
than the pegging you’re thinking of.
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by frightened inmate #2 on May 10, 2011 9:56 AM MDT up reply actions
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The world is over! we only scored twice...
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Hopefully we continue to win. Hopefully this team will start playing more good baseball.
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by El Paso Jeff on May 10, 2011 12:13 PM MDT up reply actions
These are the ones you sent in a year ago here right?
Does it always take that long for them to process something like this?
I wasn't alive during the dead ball era; but thanks to the Padres, I know what baseball was like back then.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on May 10, 2011 10:12 AM MDT up reply actions
Actually I sent them in February..
There was a problem with the check from Cafe Press last year and by the time it was fixed the season was over. So as soon as the promotion was available I sent them off. Honestly I’m kind of glad things worked out like they did, because last year the item would have been autographed by Brad Hawpe instead of CarGo. As much as we all loved Hawpe he isn’t a Rockie anymore (SDCatsadface.jpg).
Your analysis on his hitting weakness is still spot on.
I still cringe watching him catch. It was never about fist pumps to me but about defending his pitchers. I have to listen more than I watch at present. I am still hearing too many comments about being squeezed. Either that’s bad framing from the umps’ perspective or the pitches aren’t that close. I have seen some improved footwork which none else seems to have noticed.
I still think his umpire management skills are poor. There are consequences for a player rounding on a ump. Sometimes it’s the cost of doing buisiness. If he continues to be a marsh mellow with the umps; he’s not going to get the majority of close calls.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
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Wait, so you're saying that because the umpires
are being weird about a strike zone that is the catcher’s fault? Can you explain this more? I’m not familiar with this concept
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I admire your viewpoint enormously, foagie
But sometimes it feels like you want MLB to be framed as the focus of a Great American Novel from the 1930s rather than the honed, percentage computer-age sport it has become.
by biondino on May 10, 2011 9:37 AM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
I think baseball is a little of both still.
I like his commentary. I just need a little more insights on this part of catching.
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I want it to be about people and not just numbers.
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Funny, I want it to be about baseball.
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by Mondogarage on May 10, 2011 10:12 AM MDT up reply actions
Holographic or otherwise ?
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
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I believe what Oldfoagie is saying
Is that the way a catcher receives a pitch (how much movement in the glove there is, if the wrist holds strong or gives way when catching the ball, body position and movement, etc.) has a big impact on how the umpire calls the pitch.
Basically, if the catcher can make it look like the pitch hit the catcher’s glove, without reaching or moving or anything, then the umpire can be persuaded to call pitches strikes even if they’re not. The reverse is true as well: a pitch is in the strike zone, but the catcher needs to reach across his body, often times the pitch isn’t called a strike.
This does happen, but not as much as it is perceived to (not like when Glavine was “hitting his spots” 10 inches outside of the strike zone and getting them called strikes). I feel like Iannetta has improved his footwork and how he receives the ball, but he’ll likely never be great on those fronts. It’s something that kind of needs to come naturally.
by blooming rock on May 10, 2011 9:43 AM MDT up reply actions
Umpires are individual with their strike zones and pitchers and catchers do have to adjust.
That is partly where framing comes in and partly where how a catcher negotiates with the umpire. It happens all the time. There are ways of doing it with out being an ass. There are ways of doing it without making the ump out as an ass. Some times you need to push the ump into being an ass so attention is garnered to make the ump improve.
Sometimes you have to be an ass and make the ump’s day really unpleasent to let him know he’s overstepped and as a team you are going to be all over him till he stops. BY rule it always has to appear that the ump wins; but appearences are decieving. Ump’s do get censured and the majority of the time we won’t hear about it.. My argument with CDI is he often seems not even at the negotiateing table; let alone winning a point even subtlely. Most umps will negotiate to a point.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
Don't the Rockies have a catching coach who has been working with Iannetta a lot this year?
I would think these are topics he would be aware of and would point out to Chris. Surely Chris isn’t ignorant about how to interact with the umpires.
On a side note, I’m becoming more and more of a proponent for replay and automated strike zones. There are enough random influences on the game even without the whims and observations of umpires.
I can't get on board with this at all.
So basically why have umpires at all?
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There's also the matter of proving the technology
I’m an advocate for electronic umpiring eventually. Really I’m an advocate for getting the call right and using whatever technology you have available to do it. In the 1880s the best available technology was to put some guys out on the field who had no connection to either team playing and have them say what they saw. In the 1980s that had evolved into very complex umpire training, positioning, etc. Supposedly, this technology gets the call right about 92%-95% of the time.
We have other technology (pitchFx, replays) now available. But does this technology do better than 95%? I don’t know. The pitchFx people claim “better than 90% accuracy” but that’s not necessarily better than a human umpire. Just because it’s a computer-based system doesn’t mean it’s always right (I develop computer software for a living and know this all too well). This needs to be seriously studied, and the best technology that’s reliable and affordable used. The goal should be getting 100% of calls right. This isn’t happening now mainly due to egos and politics.
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by RoarFrom112 on May 10, 2011 10:58 AM MDT up reply actions
I agree
I had in mind a system that had 98%+ accuracy. But once you agree that you want such a system, I have confidence the marketplace will provide an acceptable solution in short order.
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Keep the umps
There may be some things that can be done electroncally, but baseball would not be baseball without umps. That’s one of the resoans people watch the game — to see the interaction of the ump with the players. For all their weaknesses, they make the game what it is.
by Real Perspective on May 10, 2011 11:15 AM MDT up reply actions
I guess I can't speak for anyone else.
But I’d much prefer, say, a computerized system that has more accurate rulings and also doesn’t throw anybody out of a game due to immense ego and a refusal to be challenged by anybody.
But then, I sure as heck don’t watch baseball for the player-ump interaction, and it’s one of the things I really don’t like about the game.
There's apparently differing opinions on this
I’m with you. I think the game is what the players do and the umps are just there to be a technology for figuring out what really happened. To me, a play at the plate (one of my favorite things in baseball) is exciting because of the interaction between the catcher and the runner. The footwork of the catcher, the tag, the creativeness of the slide, the decision to lower the shoulder or try to slide around the tag. To me, either the runner touched the plate before he was tagged or he didn’t. Watching a fat umpire argue with a fat manager when probably neither of them really know what happened and neither has any chance of changing his mind is not nearly as exciting as the play itself.
An umpire who misses a call has the same effect on the game as a player who made an error on a play. A player can make a great play but have the result be the same as if he made an error because an umpire had his view unexpectedly blocked or just wasn’t physically capable of looking in two directions at once. To me, the less that happens the better.
But everytime this comes up, someone chimes in and says that to them missed calls and arguments are “part of the game” so I guess it’s a popular enough viewpoint. I just don’t understand it.
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by RoarFrom112 on May 10, 2011 11:37 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
It certainly would help with the insane calls
that we recently saw with a certain hairy Giants closer. Would also eliminate all the “issues” concerning “framing” etc. from the catcher.
….maybe?
Couldn’t agree more.
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by Andrew Martin on May 10, 2011 12:21 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Wish we could also eliminate a certain insanely hairy Giants closer.
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I agree with everything you just said.
As far as accuracy of an electronic ball/strike system, I think that you could get a highly accurate system but it would cost more. Increasing the number of cameras and the resolution will help track the ball’s flight to the plate, and algorithms for detecting objects within an image are getting better all the time. I think you would still want the umpire to provide human-in-the-loop control, for things like balks and to call time, but he wouldn’t have to make the precise measurements that are better left to machines.
I think
he would be provided with a handheld device that provides the machine’s determination of whether the ball passed through the strike zone, but he would have to make the ultimate call based on swings, etc. Or maybe some audio device that beeps for strikes.
This could actually slow things down by a few seconds. I’m not sure what the cumulative effect on total time would be.
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I guess I'm not clear on this point.
Are you saying that catcher’s should tell umpires that if they miss a call, then the next time it should be called the same when he is up to bat.
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I'm saying it's a negotiation.
If your pitcher lives some where you have to get the ump to give at least part of that place. The hitters are going to argue the exact opposite. Imagine Street not being allowed the slider that crosses the front corner. He becomes increasingly inneffective without it. A good catcher protects that pitch with ihs framing and negotiating skills.
Part of the point of negotiation is to determine what the ump will call and keep him consistant. Part of the negotiation is pushing the envelope. Part of the negotiation is makeing sure your team gets treated fairly. Umps are human and wouldn’t be umps if they weren’t fans of the game.
The fastest way for a cathcher to get tossed is to make public he just got called out on a pitch the ump wouldn’t give his pitcher. That falls into the being an ass category. You can quitely say it to the ump and get away withit some times. Make a big demonstration abouti it and you are an ass. Most umps will give you a call to compensate when they know they’ve been wrong. Even Randy West and Angel Hernandez. It’s how you manage them.
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Sure, if you want the ump to give you the thumb and quick hook.
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by Mondogarage on May 10, 2011 10:13 AM MDT up reply actions
Sometimes that's part of buisiness. Have you ever fire a client because it's not worth doing buisness with them?
When the catcher forces the thumb and quick hook he’s making the same statement. “I can’t do buisiness with you”! " You are not fair! That’s what gets everybody’s attention. The game becomes about the ump and not the players. That’s the last thing baseball wants.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
Last I checked, Joe West still received a paycheck.
I don’t think MLB cares. Press is press.
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Some times that check gets smaller too.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
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You could always send him these press clipings?
How as a fan is he going to santionyou?
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
“Oh noes, random Joe in Colorado doesn’t like how I umpire, this event has completely changed my life and I will be so very much better from now on!”
Caution: Colorado teams are better than they appear.
by ShadowPenguin on May 10, 2011 10:56 AM MDT up reply actions
random Matt, in this case
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Junction Rox on May 10, 2011 10:59 AM MDT up reply actions
I don't want Joe West to be mad at random Matt in Colorado
given the composition of our bullpen.
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by glaucophane on May 10, 2011 11:05 AM MDT up reply actions
Yeah but even he isn't so hard harted that if he got them from everywhere saying the same thing it wouln not effect him or be noticed.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
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It's Joe West.
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maybe his heart will grow three sizes.
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by frightened inmate #2 on May 10, 2011 11:11 AM MDT up reply actions
Most assuredly laughing at this exchange.
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by Andrew Martin on May 10, 2011 12:22 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
So was Javy Lopez the greatest of all time at this art?
I didn’t see the Gints pitchers having much trouble with this last series (witness Stewart striking out looking on 4 pitches outside the zone vs Fauxhawk). Does that mean Posey is a master of it? Because I seem to remember their staff getting much the same zone with Molina back there.
Honestly, I think the “flexibility” of the strike zone has much more to do with the reputation of the pitcher on the mound than it does the negotiating skills of the catcher behind the plate. The Rockies staff, for whatever reason, has never gotten that kind of respect. Ubaldo was starting to last year, but his start this year has probably killed that. And until this year, more often than not, somebody other than Iannetta was behind the plate dealing with those umpires…
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by Junction Rox on May 10, 2011 10:59 AM MDT up reply actions
"he reputation of the pitcher on the mound than it does the negotiating skills of the catcher behind the plate."
This is absolutely true.
Also, if you can prove you can hit your spot consistently, and that spot is marginally outside the zone, the ump’s going to give it to you more often than not. That’s not really a framing issue per se.
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by Mondogarage on May 10, 2011 11:02 AM MDT up reply actions
See : Glavine, Tom
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by Andrew Martin on May 10, 2011 12:23 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
statistically, Iannetta IS poor at framing
I don’t have the link, but there is a stat assigning value for framing and blocking pitches. I ran across it over the offseason. He was a couple runs below average at framing over 2009-10 and a tick below at blocking. Ill try to find it. Either way, I think the effect is mostly quite small.
Of course, he could have improved. He’s the only regular NL catcher with neither an error nor passed ball.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on May 10, 2011 11:39 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Tracy was talking, I believe last night
about how much Iannetta had improved behind the plate. Very, very much improved was basically what he said.
And he could not possibly have been as bad at blocking as Olivo was…
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by Junction Rox on May 10, 2011 11:53 AM MDT up reply actions
There's no question that Olivo's arm made up for that though
He was elite defensively.
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Not really
He was elite at throwing out baserunners, but that’s only one function of defensive play. He was okay defensively, likely better than average, but no, not elite as an overall defensive catcher.
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by Mondogarage on May 10, 2011 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions
I really enjoy watching Iannetta behind the dish..
He’s smoother than most catchers in the way he sets up and blocks pitches. Plus the way he calls a game is really intelligent.
by Charlie77 on May 10, 2011 3:23 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
This.
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by CentralCaliRox on May 10, 2011 5:05 PM MDT up reply actions
Options for the "Stewart conundrum"
They are:
1. Play Lopez.
2. Bring up Nelson or Fields
3. Wait 4 days for Wiggy’s return, then option Stewart
- has been tried without much success, but is going to be there the rest of the year unless the Rockies decide to eat Lopez’ contract, in full or in part (in a trade).
- is my favorite, being an admitted member of the “Free C.N.” movement. But if the Rox decide to try the more experienced “AAA insurance” player Josh Fields first, that’s OK, too.
The problems with Fields are (a) unexceptional defense, and (b) his experience reflects a very low ceiling: .234/.303/.421 career line over 713 AB … a large-enough sample size to suggest he won’t do much better with the Rockies. He started hot at the Springs, but has cooled lately. Wiggy will probably beat those numbers, while providing similar defense.
As to Nelson, he has not been playing at 3B. Consistent with the Rockies’ longterm approach to not giving Nelson a real shot at whatever window might be open to him, they haven’t been prepping him at 3B, despite the black hole at that position in the level above him. He’s been playing SS, a position closed on the Rockies for the next 10 years, and one Herrera can also play if Tulo gets hurt. I don’t get it — why not move a versatile young IF at AAA to the position where the biggest need is at the major league level? For whatever reason, Nelson at 3B apparently isn’t in the Rox plans.
I think we’re looking at #3: Wiggy takes over 3B if he’s ready in 4 days. Lopez become utility guy, with occasional starts at 3B when Wiggy spells Helton.
As to playing Stew in the meantime, I’ve seen managers do that before. Saddled by a front office with an under-performing player the manager really doesn’t want to use, the manager plays him until the performance is so bad that management’s hand is forced in making a change. Managers can’t control the roster, but they can control the lineup, including giving a player enough rope to hang himself. That may be what’s going on here with Stew starting against a lefty last night.
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Typing fail
Meant to say 2 is my favorite.
And there is a 4th option — play Stewart no matter what. No comment on that.
TuLO + UbalDO + CarGO = LODO GO
And a 5th option
if all else fails, go back into the marketplace in late summer
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Sometimes I think some Rockies fans / writers expect 1-8 to be batting .300
And they forget that catcher is a defensive position and most teams don’t have a decent hitting catcher. The expectations for CDI always seem unfairly high.
I think the main difference this year is the confidence Chris has from being given the job without competition, and boy has he responded well!
I don’t see any tough decision between him and Rosario. What is nice is that for once we may actually be able to trade a player that is in high demand. Not quite Holiday, but a better return on investment than Hawpe and Atkins!
it is definitely one of the more intriguing storylines this season for me
Rosario will only be 23 throughout 2012, so I’m not sure there’s a rush to hand him the keys. Assuming Iannetta is an offensive asset throughout the year, I’m not sure they trade a relatively cheap offensive asset given that offense is this team’s weakness. I could see him catching still, perhaps even splitting time between first base and catcher. But there is a lot to play out over the next five months.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on May 10, 2011 10:09 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
His cheapness also increases his trade value
He has a club option for 2013, but Chris can void it if he is traded. This makes him a free agent at the end of 2012 if traded (unless they excess and then trade him I guess?).
I’d like them to see if there are at least offers out there that could improve the offense at 3B (if Stewie doesn’t turn it around), or else restock some prospects.
by Britbronco22 on May 10, 2011 12:43 PM MDT up reply actions
The difference this year is his BABIP
Literally, his “improvement” has come in the form of a non-horrible BABIP, and some LD% and BB% increases to boot.
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and HR/FB
His line drive rate was so low last year, that even a still-below-average line drive rate has significantly helped him.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on May 10, 2011 12:01 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
good call - fangraphs didn't update until after I wrote the rockpile
Which means he was worth 0.3 fWAR last night alone.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on May 10, 2011 10:03 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
they do player pages before sortable pages.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on May 10, 2011 10:16 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't mind swapping Nelson and Stewart
but, I’m not really sure what to expect from Nelson. He is batting “ok” down there, but not great (as shown by his 96 wRC+) There isn’t a lot of getting on base…
Looking further into it
I would call up EYJ. Play him at 2nd, and move Herrera to 3rd. Send Stewie back to AAA. Do it today in fact.
After reading the article about Ian's success at AAA
I’m thinking maybe we need to play him everyday. Maybe he’s just not one of those guys that can turn it on and off easily. Play him everyday for the rest of the month. Then see where he’s at. If CarGo and Tulo can start hitting Ian’s woes won’t look as pronounced. I just think CarGo and Tulo need to be hitting much better than they have been.
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If CarGo and Tulo can start hitting Ian’s woes won’t look as pronounced.
That’s the rub. On a team that is scoring 2 runs a game there is going to be little patience for a guy hitting below .100. If everyone else were cruising along, it would not be nearly the issue.
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by frightened inmate #2 on May 10, 2011 10:09 AM MDT up reply actions
He has played every day since being called back up
And I have yet to see any real improvement. His only hit should have been an out, and his walks, although nice, are indicative to his overall timid approach at the plate. Right now, he is failing. He needs to go back to AAA, again, at least until June.
If Wigginton is back
and he doesn’t hit well…then what?
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Send him back to AAA until at least mid-June?
bring up Nelson as a backup or leave Amezaga in. Station Tulo at SS, Herrera at 2B, and have a fluid lineup on the corners and utility/backup needs consisting of Helton, Wigginton, Giambi (ugh), Lopez, and Nelson/Amezaga/???. Not pretty, but it may be the best we have. Maybe address the situation at the trading deadline if there’s a reasonable offer out there.
Then see if Stewart is able to rebound enough at AAA to make a trade or possibly bring him back in the 2nd half of the season. If not, non-tender him at the end of the season since he’s arbitration-eligible this year.
I think this was pretty much the plan before Wiggy got hurt, but they called up Stewart prematurely due to Ty landing on the DL.
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by RoarFrom112 on May 10, 2011 11:09 AM MDT up reply actions
I'd love to figure out why Dex can't steal bases, but the running game is really not the problem
Our OBP guys are getting on base. The big problem is that the guys in the middle of the order who are supposed to drive them in aren’t doing it. This is a recipe for LOBster bisque.
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I was at the game last night and watched him while on base
More the 50% of the time he is headed back to first when the pitch is delivered. I don’t think he has a clue.
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That's giving him another 90 ABs. That's way more than should be needed to decide whether to fish or cut bait at this point.
I agree with the rest of what you said. But the end of May is too late to make this decision.
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by Mondogarage on May 10, 2011 10:16 AM MDT up reply actions
I can see what you are saying, but
considering how successful he’s already been at AAA, I’m not sure that will do him any good. I guess much of it depends on if Wigginton and Lopez can do anything.
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Meaning he's pretty much conquered AAA.
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Meaning he could end up the latest in a long line of AAAA players who need their own league
They can play in the Koshansky division.
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by Mondogarage on May 10, 2011 10:31 AM MDT up reply actions
personally, I think you're overstating stewart's success at AAA
Career minor leaguers and journeyman routinely hit well in Colorado Springs, and his strikeout rate was still over .300. I was never convinced he figured much out. He just got a lot more mistakes, and his own mistakes were covered up more.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on May 10, 2011 10:31 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Well, I'm just basing it off his slash line
So, it’s possible things were hidden
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Thats hard to do
It’s just expected that he would have an impressive slash line. That much power in that hitters park against bad pitching…
"Success"
He still struck out 30% of the time in AAA, and his AVG was just inflated BABIP.
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I reckon Stewart will be fine
You can hold me to that.
(and if he isn’t, in 2012 some team will be getting a new Jose Lopez)
I agree with this comment
I really don’t like the way Stewart is being handled, but if your going to bat under .100 then someone needs to get on your case.
Something is certainly off once he gets back with the club....
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He's facing major league pitching.
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by Mondogarage on May 10, 2011 10:37 AM MDT up reply actions
It's funny. People labeld some of the Pirates, Mets and DBacks as not being major league pitchers
or maybe AAAA yet the Rockies had as much trouble against them(minus Tulo against the Mets).
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I really think Ian's problems are all in his head.
Especially on those inside pitches. It’s just brutal.
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but major leaguers can exploit that by consistently hitting that spot
while AAA guys may struggle to display that type of control
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True. Also, I wonder
if AAA umpires give the inside pitch that Ian is wont to not swing at more to the hitter or the pitcher. Could there be some differences that way?
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I'm also not sure
the extent to which players are scouted at the AAA level.
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I'd love to know more about this as well
at the major league level, there are hours of game preparation done by the coaches and pitching staff and tons of video and stats available. They know how they’re going to approach every batter. How much of this goes on at the AAA level?
I also think this is a factor in CarGo’s decline this year. After you win the batting title you’re not under anyone’s radar. Teams are going to spend extra time figuring out how to get him out and he’s going to have to adjust.
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by RoarFrom112 on May 10, 2011 11:15 AM MDT up reply actions
100% there
The bat speed is still there, as is the strength. It could be an eye sight propblem, but I’m going to guess that it’s a mental block.
What about the way he has been handled don't you like
The only thing I didn’t like was the fact he didn’t spend enough time in the minors.
I would have kept him in extended ST given how much time he missed.
Now, whether or not that would have translated into him performing better today, I have no idea.
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by Mondogarage on May 10, 2011 11:00 AM MDT up reply actions
I don't like him getting called out in the way that he has
At every ab now it feels like if he doesn’t hit he could be gone. I agree that Tracy needed to say something to the press, but why use such strong language? I felt like he was blaming our offensive problems on Stewart. Tulo isn’t hitting, Cargo isn’t hitting, very few are hitting, the problem is far more systemic than Stewart. Don’t get me wrong I think the policy on Stewart should be hit or go home or back down to aaa, but I don’t think Tracy is helping things by crying this in front of the press.
I recognize the faults with this line of thought. I know that this major league baseball and that Stewart is getting paid a lot of money to hit the ball.
it made me think of the way Hurdle benched Tulo for swinging at the 1st pitch.
and we all know how that worked out .
Here's what he said
"I don’t want Ian to hit eighth (in today’s lineup). But unfortunately he’s not giving me much choice," Tracy said. "We are getting to the point with him that’s it time for him to fish or cut bait. He’s either going to play his way in or play his way off the team."
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by Mondogarage on May 10, 2011 12:08 PM MDT up reply actions
Well, it's true
I guess he could have sugar coated it more, but I’m not sure that would have been helpful.
Is what he said helpful though?
We’ll never really know. If Ian gets better, that will smack of confirmation bias.
I just hope Ian turns it around
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He just wants to light a fire under Ian is all.
Get him mad. Maybe it backfired and increased the pressure on Ian, I’m not sure. Impossible to tell.
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by CentralCaliRox on May 10, 2011 12:20 PM MDT up reply actions
I'll agree with that.
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by CentralCaliRox on May 10, 2011 12:22 PM MDT up reply actions
You think he hasn't already tried that?
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by Mondogarage on May 10, 2011 12:22 PM MDT up reply actions
no
but even if has and it didn’t work what good does it do to make it public?
I don't see anyone getting worked up over what he said, other than a few Rowbots
so I don’t see the issue.
But then, I also went through basic training, so I’ve seen public dressings down up close and personal.
What Tracy said was pretty much no big deal.
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by Mondogarage on May 10, 2011 12:25 PM MDT up reply actions
Ok I'm going to say one more thing about this and shut up
I believe it is partly Tracy’s job to make Stewart the best player he can be. I don’t see how calling Stewart out in front of the media helps this. I really think it just puts unfair pressure on him and will make him more nervous when he comes to the plate.
Some guys respond to this approach
others don’t. I’m not sure this factored into Tracy’s thinking, but it’s possible that he did it to counteract Stewart’s laid back attitude (if this characterization is even true).
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That may or may not ultimately be true
But if that particular comment is enough to cause Stewart to shrivel into someone too pressured to perform better than .070, then he probably doesn’t have the stomach to play in the majors in the first place.
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by Mondogarage on May 10, 2011 12:47 PM MDT up reply actions
This.
Dear lord. The guy is playing like crap, his manager said so in a relatively nice way, and now he’s ruining his player? Sometimes it seems like people think this is little league.
I think what Jim Tracy says or doesn’t say about Stewart in the press better be entirely irrelevant to how he performs. If that is incorrect, than Stewie boy needs to find a new profession. Though finding one devoid of criticism might be tough.
by Teekalong on May 10, 2011 2:17 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
No, I didn't mean it condescending
What I do mean is that I think rowbots are making a bigger deal of the “omg this is so unfair to Stewart, oh his poor emotions” than it really is.
I doubt anyone in the clubhouse, including Ian Stewart, thinks Tracy is treating Ian Stewart unfairly.
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by Mondogarage on May 10, 2011 12:46 PM MDT up reply actions
Rowbots getting worked up over something Tracy says/does?
Mondo you are confused here, that simply never happens here
by purplesocks on May 10, 2011 12:47 PM MDT up reply actions
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by Mondogarage on May 10, 2011 12:48 PM MDT up reply actions
Well, just saying...
I work with a fair number of pretty hard core Rockies fans, and not a one of them has brought up how unfairly hard Tracy’s been on Ian Stewart in his comments.
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by Mondogarage on May 10, 2011 12:49 PM MDT up reply actions
I don't think Tracy has been too hard on Stewart.
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It could have been MUCH harder
Maybe we should chug on over to namby-pamby land where maybe we can find some self confidence for you ya jackwagon. Tissue?"
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by Mondogarage on May 10, 2011 2:41 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
Thing is, he's also said he's going to continue running Ian out there
So it’s not like he said “Ian, you got one more game to get it right”.
I’d say he has through the end of the homestand.
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by Mondogarage on May 10, 2011 12:22 PM MDT up reply actions
why not say
We all believe Ian is a great hitter. We don’t know exactly what is wrong right now, but we are going to give him some chances to get things going and see if he can find his swing. If things don’t get going with Ian then we are going to have to look at some other options, but right now he is our guy and we expect him to be a valuable part of this line up.
What good does it do anyone to shout fish or cut bait
Well, that is pretty much what they said when they sent him down
Kid gloves are for kids. Tracy did not throw Ian under the bus.
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by Mondogarage on May 10, 2011 12:23 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah we disagree, but thats ok
I just hope Stewart makes it back
Well, I hope he does, too, because when he's on, he can be prodigious
But if he doesn’t make it back, he’d be far far far from the first enticing young 20s player who craps out far lower than a team’s fans think he should.
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by Mondogarage on May 10, 2011 12:48 PM MDT up reply actions
I agree
I’m not sure where we all got the idea that Ian Stewart was a middle of the lineup hitter. Seems like he’s always been about the same kind of guy, a big strong man with a monster uppercut that can get hot for a period, but is basically a below average offensive player for a ML third baseman. What he’s going through now is anomalous, sure, but it’s not like we’re waiting to Albert freakin’ Pujols to get untracked.
We seem to have reached a happy place with CDI, where we kind of know what he is and isn’t, and are cool with it. Ditto Smith, who at one point during his “Mr. Late Night” thing was a sure thing All Star from many of our perspectives. He isn’t, but he’s solid.
Perhaps we should rethink Stewart accordingly, and thereby realize we’re really not losing much my making a change at 3B, and possibly gaining quite a lot, depending on whether we can snag a decent ML guy in a trade or not.
by BostonTransplant on May 10, 2011 2:13 PM MDT up reply actions
and his prodigious power when he actually gets ahold of one
chicks aren’t the only ones who dig the long ball
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I LOL'd for real
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mmmmm....tastes heavenly.
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by frightened inmate #2 on May 10, 2011 2:27 PM MDT up reply actions
I think that about Brandon Wood
and Chin Lung Hu. And James Loney. And…lots and lots of other guys. Raw talent is certainly not the issue. Unfortunately at this level, we wear caps and sleeves…oh wait. At this level, raw talent is rarely enough.
It might end up being sadly appropriate
that his first manager was Clint Hurdle, former SI cover boy…
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by Junction Rox on May 10, 2011 3:02 PM MDT up reply actions
I think he pretty much had to say it and waited about as long as he could
It was the elephant in the room. Everyone had been asking about it for awhile and there’s only so long you can duck the question. Last night post-game he also mentioned that they had to get CarGo and Tulo hitting again and made a point of saying it’s not just about one guy.
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by RoarFrom112 on May 10, 2011 12:41 PM MDT up reply actions
I sure hope you're right
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its sad
On my MLB 2k11 franchise, Stewart is my cleanup hitter (Tulo is hurt) and he is leading the league in homers And average. I played a game last night vs Zito and he got more hits in that game than he’s gotten this season. It’s a roundabout way of saying, again, that his disastrous season is a disaster.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on May 10, 2011 10:44 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
The only thing I will say is
I’ve never understood either the intense love or the intense dislike of CDI. He’s an ok player and deserves ok attention.
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by Jeffrey Morton on May 10, 2011 10:44 AM MDT reply actions
I don't know that it was ever really intense dislike/like
It’s more that his skillset pits SABR thought vs traditional more than really any other player. So any debate on whether Iannetta was doing his job always deteriorated into arguments about the right way to judge offense.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on May 10, 2011 10:49 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
SABR vs Old School
ah….I’d say the age old argument but that would be wrong. lol. There are stats geeks in basketball (alot like SABR) vs people who prefer playing by feel. I don’t prescribe to any particular methodology. Maybe that’s why I just see CDI as a minor cog in a 9 man machine.
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by Jeffrey Morton on May 10, 2011 10:57 AM MDT up reply actions
But as ATF points out
imagine how disgruntled we’d be if he had not performed as well as he has so far in 2011
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Especially given some are still disgruntled...those who say his BA still sucks.
but those people really don’t know much about baseball.
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by Mondogarage on May 10, 2011 11:01 AM MDT up reply actions
See...I'm not sure I'd be disgruntled because whatever we get from CDI I figure is gravy
so I guess it’s along the lines of where your expectations are.
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by Jeffrey Morton on May 10, 2011 11:02 AM MDT up reply actions
and I meant in terms of wins and losses
He’s single handedly accounted for several W’s
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Yes he has....and good for him and the Rox
like I said…my concern nor my cheering go toward Chris. My concerns revolve around Cargo and Tulo’s ineffective bats dragging down the lineup. I don’t have the stats to back that up since I’m just now getting in to the baseball swing of things but it seems like their collective plate travails seem to drag the team with them (with the exception of Helton)
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by Jeffrey Morton on May 10, 2011 11:10 AM MDT up reply actions
By the way
Rosario needs about a month or two of playing time to get to the point that Tulo and Fowler were at before they made the majors. Food for thought.
I may just make a fan post regarding the mlb readyness of Rosario.
Can he play 3B?
/just kidding
/mostly
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by Junction Rox on May 10, 2011 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions
He has before
/greatest game ever
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by Junction Rox on May 10, 2011 11:00 AM MDT up reply actions
Not sure his footwork would be there, but otherwise, yeah, maybe.
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by Mondogarage on May 10, 2011 11:01 AM MDT up reply actions
if Nolan Arenado can play 3B, anyone can play 3B
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not Brett Wallace
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by Andrew T. Fisher on May 10, 2011 11:07 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Point.
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Derek Jeter would like a word
oh sorry, you said can, not will…
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by Junction Rox on May 10, 2011 11:09 AM MDT up reply actions
Neither appears to apply to Jederperderp
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by Mondogarage on May 10, 2011 11:14 AM MDT up reply actions
Iannetta should be moved to a backup 1B/C when Rosario is ready for the full time.
/patiently waiting for Wilin.
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I'm not sure Iannetta is still here next year.
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by CentralCaliRox on May 10, 2011 12:24 PM MDT up reply actions
He's in the second year of his contract..
If he has a good year, the Rockies might look to trade him with a year left on his deal.
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by CentralCaliRox on May 10, 2011 12:25 PM MDT up reply actions
Of if he has a really good year, they might try to actually resign him to a two year extension
and still transition him to 1B or 3B. Maybe.
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by Mondogarage on May 10, 2011 12:26 PM MDT up reply actions
I think (and hope) his value to someone else as a catcher exceeds his 1B value
with the Rockies
by Britbronco22 on May 10, 2011 1:06 PM MDT up reply actions
I don't think anyone's interested in turning him into a full time 1B
But as Todd’s signed the next two years, he’d theoretically be a good candidate to get 40 starts a year there. Kinda like what we have Wiggy here for now, in theory. The difference is, he’d also get 60 starts behind the plate while Rosario acclimates.
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Yes, but
some team that wants him as a full time starter may be willing to offer enough that we’d rather take the trade than keep him as a back up at 2 positions.
Although I like Iannetta’s offense out of the 8 hole and as a C, I don’t really want him playing 1B, if we can get something decent by trading him that is.
by Britbronco22 on May 10, 2011 1:55 PM MDT up reply actions
I get that, and yes, he'll have some trade value
but that value’s actually sorta diminished by his contract, imo, because then it becomes a one year deal unless they sign him to an extension. It’s great when a declining player can void his option, but I don’t think any team this year is going to pursue CDI hard, just for a one year rental.
And on top of that, we need CDI next season, because we’re not going to turn over 120-130 starts to a 24 year old Rosario in 2012.
The most likely scenario is that CDI plays out 2012 and if Rosario does the business like we think he can, we don’t pick up CDI’s 2013 option, and Rosario is our 2013 starter.
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as I wrote above
Assuming he’s an offensive asset, I can’t see them dealing offense from a weak lineup to make room for a 23yo rookie who will have had a couple weeks over AA
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by Andrew T. Fisher on May 10, 2011 1:28 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Arenado 2013?
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by The Lodo Magic Man on May 10, 2011 12:25 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
We've seen in the past Chris doesn't respond well to platooning/backing up
by Britbronco22 on May 10, 2011 1:05 PM MDT up reply actions
but platoonibg at two positions would almost make him a starter
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by Andrew T. Fisher on May 10, 2011 1:26 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Well it depends
Is it the playing time that helps him, or is it the confidence of owning the catcher position and being ‘the man’.
by Britbronco22 on May 10, 2011 1:57 PM MDT up reply actions
pure speculation on my part
But I say playing time. His swing is one that is prone to streakiness, and feeling as if he can’t afford an ofer or he’d lose playing time really threw him off his game, in my opinion.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on May 10, 2011 2:09 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm up for this
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I'm probably going to the game on Sunday.
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by Andrew Martin on May 10, 2011 1:22 PM MDT up reply actions
slacker!
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It is true
I have a job for the next two months. So, technically, I’m back to job hunting, but I will at least be making money.
Well, I'm going to tomorrow's game.
And Sunday’s game. I love day baseball!
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i'm going friday
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by Junction Rox on May 10, 2011 2:11 PM MDT up reply actions
Going with a friend who loves the rock pile
we’ve sat other places, but he likes the straight on shot of the rock pile that allows you to see the balls and strikes.
It’s also $4 :)
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Go Team.
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Go forth and excel in today's contest!
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by Junction Rox on May 10, 2011 2:02 PM MDT up reply actions
Be excellent to one another's strugging third basemen!
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what is this "lineup consistancy" witchcraft?
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by The Lodo Magic Man on May 10, 2011 3:39 PM MDT up reply actions
Yay!
I like that lineup. I was hoping Tracy would throw it out again.
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by CentralCaliRox on May 10, 2011 5:09 PM MDT up reply actions
same line up
Dex herrera cargo tulo helton Seth doom stew hammel… consistency
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by nodakroxfan on May 10, 2011 3:10 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
Let's hope the results offensively aren't consistent too
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by Junction Rox on May 10, 2011 3:21 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Uh, didn't we win yesterday?
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Please note the word "offensively"
I would like us to be able to win again without having to hold them to 1 run or less….
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by Junction Rox on May 10, 2011 3:24 PM MDT up reply actions
Yes, but our 3,4,5 hitters went a combined 1-for-10 with no RBIs
we won yesterday but it’s hardly a formula we want to repeat
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:)
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:/
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by Junction Rox on May 10, 2011 3:33 PM MDT up reply actions
:(
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:D
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by Junction Rox on May 10, 2011 3:36 PM MDT up reply actions
:-D
(in 45 minutes I’m leaving work early to drink beer and watch a ballgame)
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I'm going tonight as well. Yippee!
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Will be there also
G-d do I need a night at the ballpark. Good baseball, roar of the crowd, salty peanuts, good hot dog and beer….. much beer…..
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I have no idea what section
I’m getting tickets through my niece and I won’t know until I get there
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Who cares you will be at Coors Field, is what I am guessing your sentiment will be ;)
I’ll be in section 115 row 6, a bit in the sun but I could care less…..
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This is exactly right. I'd be happy in the RP
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There's really not a bad seat
I’ll be in section 112 as usual for a Tuesday night. In the sun to start the game, adding layers after the sun goes down.
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So that what the 112 in your id stands for
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Yep
A reference to the great Wild Bill Hagy (“roar from 34” from Orioles lore), combined with my usual section at Coors Field. My baseball dream is to see Denver become a baseball town, hence the name.
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I will be in section 115 Row 16
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by Thnikkaman on May 10, 2011 4:27 PM MDT up reply actions 5 recs
two more, and you will be green with recs
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done and done.
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If I would've known this last night I would've said hi
Bugger
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I need to visit the mecca soon
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by nodakroxfan on May 10, 2011 3:58 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I wanted to go tonight, but alas, I'll have to stick with the Padres and Giants games.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on May 10, 2011 4:00 PM MDT up reply actions
Still looking at going tomorrow
weather may or may not cooperate; the same can be said for workload
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Enjoy the game!
Remember, win or lose….a bad day at the ballpark is better than a good day almost anywhere else.
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And what will happen to the Game thread?
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by Junction Rox on May 10, 2011 4:36 PM MDT up reply actions
it's not gonna double post itself.
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it's not gonna double post itself.
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It's gonna triple post itself
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it's not gonna double post itself.
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UH OH: Esmil Rogers' feels pain in his shoulder, fears torn rotator cuff
http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_18034532
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by The Lodo Magic Man on May 10, 2011 3:54 PM MDT up reply actions
I don't follow your logic
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by Andrew Martin on May 10, 2011 6:07 PM MDT up reply actions
Well if so, that sucks for him
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It doesn't specifically say torn rotator cuff.
Though I don’t know if there are less serious rotator cuff injuries.
You're right. Sorry I misread. But yeah I don't think rotator cuff is generally
less than that…
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I don't understand...the pain was previously described as his "side"
I was thinking lat, oblique, what not. Not shoulder.
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Well, the oblique could still be of issue.
Sounds like this is a new issue.
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if he has been pitching through that first injury, it could have caused another.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on May 10, 2011 3:57 PM MDT up reply actions
Yup
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isn't that what they said about Jeff Francis' injury at first too?
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by The Lodo Magic Man on May 10, 2011 4:05 PM MDT up reply actions
Lookie what I got in the mail:
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by The Lodo Magic Man on May 10, 2011 3:54 PM MDT reply actions
That is the most awesome scorebook ever
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yes, tis.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on May 10, 2011 3:55 PM MDT up reply actions
Nice
I’m trying out a sample Reisner scorecard tonight to see if I like actually using it at a game before ordering a whole book.
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this one comes with little "W" and "L" stickers that have "boo!" and "yay!" on them
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by The Lodo Magic Man on May 10, 2011 4:09 PM MDT up reply actions
Apparently Lopez and Spilly will both start tomorrow.
Spilly doesn’t surprise me. I’m working on the rest of my predictions for the week right now, and noticed that Spilly has hit Niese pretty well, including 2 home runs (standard SSS alert).
Not surprised.
I also expect Helton to sit.
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by CentralCaliRox on May 10, 2011 5:12 PM MDT up reply actions
I doubt it, he's home, he had Sunday off, and Thursday's an off day
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Maybe.
Giambi isn’t a good replacement anyway.
But a day game after a night game is usually grounds for a Helton break. I hope he doesn’t though.
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by CentralCaliRox on May 10, 2011 5:18 PM MDT up reply actions
But not necessarily every day game after a night game.
And they don’t need to give him two days off in a row (unless he tweaks himself in the meantine). He had two days ago off. I’ll be shocked if has tomorrow off.
I do think he’ll have Sunday off, however.
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It's also a good way to get him two days off in a row.
Don’t think they need to give him the day off every time in this situation, but every 2-3 times wouldn’t be a bad idea.
Just got my tickets for my first game of the year on Sunday! wahoo!
anyone else going to be there?
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i'm going to try
where are you sitting?
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by The Lodo Magic Man on May 10, 2011 4:17 PM MDT up reply actions
115 row 16
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by The Lodo Magic Man on May 10, 2011 4:19 PM MDT up reply actions
right in the sun
all day long.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on May 10, 2011 4:19 PM MDT up reply actions
Yup. But the tickets were free so I can't complain :)
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Would love to, but already dragging Jenn down on Monday, so Sunday seems unlikely
She loves the games, but consecutive days isn’t something she’s as much into, until late season.
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Well boo.
But I should be seeing her soon – did you get my email?
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Yup, I saw it, dunno whether she has yet, as she's been running around on appointments today
I’m so excited! My wall is looking very empty here…I have a feeling she may want to meet you on Friday, since she’ll be up there for graduation. Or possibly Thursday afternoon…I’ll make sure she checks FB tonight.
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The prints look fantastic
you two are going to love them :)
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Oh I know...you've got serious serious talent
Jenn gets a LOT of comments on the one hanging in her office now.
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by Mondogarage on May 10, 2011 4:39 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm taking a couple of the kids on Monday as well...
LF Pavilion…on the fence.
"Your classless organization in your unholy city accused our Team of an unspeakable act. It was baseless, the Giants are classless, and I have no sympathy for your eternal damnation."
probably?
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eh, don't know if we'll get down from Breckenridge in time.
i just got offered tickets to a suite tnoight, checking to see if I can finagle it.
two Icehouse 24 oz beers = $3.20 two "fancy" Bud Light 24 oz beers = $5.00
NOW who comes out on top?
by frightened inmate #2 on May 10, 2011 4:25 PM MDT up reply actions
can I have your life?
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You can have mine
I don’t seem to be using it at the moment
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by Junction Rox on May 10, 2011 4:39 PM MDT up reply actions
do you get tickets to suites at coors all the time?
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I wouldn't be giving that life away, thanks....
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
Whatever the manager does is wrong, unless it works. Then he's a button pusher.
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"Everyone study two out situations, count management, and I'll be back with some gluten free crackers"
by Junction Rox on May 10, 2011 4:46 PM MDT up reply actions
Are you also in Wyoming?
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No, Utah
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
Whatever the manager does is wrong, unless it works. Then he's a button pusher.
In line for seats at the Grand Junction Rockies 2012 home opener
"I made baseball as much fun as doing your taxes" - Bill James (Simpsons version)
"Everyone study two out situations, count management, and I'll be back with some gluten free crackers"
by Junction Rox on May 10, 2011 4:59 PM MDT up reply actions
well, tonight is just a work think
so i’ll have to talk business a little bit. and weird things like that just pop up with my brother from time to time.
the fact that it was a week and half apart is pure coincidence.
two Icehouse 24 oz beers = $3.20 two "fancy" Bud Light 24 oz beers = $5.00
NOW who comes out on top?
by frightened inmate #2 on May 10, 2011 4:49 PM MDT up reply actions
I bet you also drink RC cola.
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That's only because FI2 has good taste
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i'm fancy like that.
two Icehouse 24 oz beers = $3.20 two "fancy" Bud Light 24 oz beers = $5.00
NOW who comes out on top?
by frightened inmate #2 on May 10, 2011 4:54 PM MDT up reply actions
I think I'll pick one of these up after work.
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I'm going.
Sec 203. Hopefully not in the sun the whole day.
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Sec 203
You probably are going to be.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on May 10, 2011 4:28 PM MDT up reply actions
Maybe, maybe not - row 10 so we might be under the overhang. I'm not sure.
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I've never sat above the bullpen...
have you?
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Yes. I actually like those seats.
Limited concessions right there, but never a line for the bathroom.
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Strikeouts are boring - besides that, they're fascist. Throw some more groundballs. Its more democratic. - Crash Davis
no bathroom line
is always a plus :)
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what?
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Limited, but the Camerean tekillya bar is right there
Jenn sat there last game for the first time, and loved it. Not my fave seats for game viewing, but preferable to the LF pavilion.
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Do you have to have a ticket to get into that bar?
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Strikeouts are boring - besides that, they're fascist. Throw some more groundballs. Its more democratic. - Crash Davis
Not exactly
There are a row of tables in front of the bar that face the field…I do think you need tix for those.
But you don’t have to have a ticket to walk up to the bar and get purple margs, and lean over railings, and such.
"We have done everything possible to be set for this day, for this season. It's time to go. We are ready. I can promise you that." - CarGo
Not to stand around the top area
But if you want to sit down, yea, that’s an upgrade. Standing is not bad though if you get one of the bar tables to set your beverages on. They also have TVs with all of the other games on.
Bleed purple
Free Matt Daley
I still need to try this place out
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I did not drink at that game, since I was still horrifically hung over from my Friday night in the mountains
"We have done everything possible to be set for this day, for this season. It's time to go. We are ready. I can promise you that." - CarGo
funny story
(to me at least)
the one place i had never sat before last year was above the out of town scoreboard. there was a game I just went to by my lonesome last year, ended up being really cold and a little rainy. very small crowd and my seat was in the left field corner. decided to go over to that area and just walked into a nearly empty section. usher wanted to kick me out. then he said “well, if anyone comes, you’ll have to move.”
yeah, not too worried about that.
two Icehouse 24 oz beers = $3.20 two "fancy" Bud Light 24 oz beers = $5.00
NOW who comes out on top?
by frightened inmate #2 on May 10, 2011 4:35 PM MDT up reply actions
seriously?
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FYI: I met Mike Pelfrey in person when I was living in Kansas back in 2002 when he was pitching at Wichita State.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on May 10, 2011 4:30 PM MDT reply actions
2002-2003.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on May 10, 2011 4:30 PM MDT up reply actions
Thomas Harding just tweeted that the
Rockies clubhouse is closed due to a team meeting. Hopefully this gets everybody going offensively.
going away party and cake for Ian Stewart?
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Welcoming David Wright?
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by Junction Rox on May 10, 2011 5:18 PM MDT up reply actions
Lopez's numbers are just as abismal as Stewarts
and he has had twice the at bats as Ian. So I would DFA Lopez before I’d demote Stewart
Why?
That doesn’t make sense. If you have one guy who’s doing TERRIBLE and has an option, you demote him before you cut the other terrible player.
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by CentralCaliRox on May 10, 2011 5:47 PM MDT up reply actions
Stewart has shown that he cah hit at AAA
what would sending him down accomplish. Leave him there and and develope him at the MLB level.
You're assuming Lopez wouldn't do the same thing down there.
Which I’d bet he would. And Lopez has actually shown signs of life at points this year, while Ian has been flat the whole season.
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by CentralCaliRox on May 10, 2011 5:51 PM MDT up reply actions
No, they are not "as abysmal".
Lopez is hitting about .150 with very few strikeouts.
Stewart is hitting below .070 with strikeouts in 1/3 of his plate appearances.
Both suck, but they’re really not equal to one another.
"We have done everything possible to be set for this day, for this season. It's time to go. We are ready. I can promise you that." - CarGo
I doubt it.
Last year, they had a million team meetings. Never helped
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by CentralCaliRox on May 10, 2011 5:18 PM MDT up reply actions
Do they ever? For any team in any sport?
The only thing I think they’re probably good for is to help resolve or prevent any chemistry issues.
Unless the coach calls them all Lollygaggers.
That always helps in the movies.
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Last year we were 1 game back with two weeks to go in the season
And 16 games over .500.
It would seem if they had team meetings between April and Sept 15th, they probably did work.
"We have done everything possible to be set for this day, for this season. It's time to go. We are ready. I can promise you that." - CarGo
I recall the meetings did nothing to help the team immediately.
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by CentralCaliRox on May 10, 2011 5:25 PM MDT up reply actions
The team was 16 games over .500
We had a wonderful season before the last two weeks of the season. You’ll need to point me to a meeting that did “nothing to help the team” at any point prior to September 15th.
"We have done everything possible to be set for this day, for this season. It's time to go. We are ready. I can promise you that." - CarGo
I said "immediately".
Obviously, overall the team was fine. But when the team was in a rut, those team meetings didn’t help. Remember that ugly 1-9 road trip? There was a team meeting then and it didn’t stop the bleeding.
I remember being pleased to see that Tracy ordered a closed door meeting, but disappointed when the team didn’t respond.
Is this part of your never-ending attempt to prove that Tracy is the best baseball manager to ever walk the earth?
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by CentralCaliRox on May 10, 2011 5:38 PM MDT up reply actions
You mean that 1-9 trip near the very end of the year?
No one’s disputing the team collapsed at the end of the year.
And I don’t know what about a team meeting should de facto lead to a 6-8 game “immediate” winning streak.
If the meeting is simply Todd telling everyone to get their shit together or the front office will do it for them, and the team loses two games before playing .580 ball for a month, that would seem like “immediate” good effects.
"We have done everything possible to be set for this day, for this season. It's time to go. We are ready. I can promise you that." - CarGo
I won't address your attempt to bait me at the end of your post
There will be a tarp on the field tomorrow, we don’t need a tarp at the present time, kthx.
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(you just did though)
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by Andrew Martin on May 10, 2011 6:22 PM MDT up reply actions
I meant immediate in the sense that
The Rockies did not respond that day NOR the day after. How long does it take a meeting to get to you? You’d think they’d respond the same day. But it just didn’t happen.
The team meetings don’t help.
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by CentralCaliRox on May 10, 2011 5:45 PM MDT up reply actions
"You'd think".
Well let’s see, a meeting doesn’t swing the bat. If I held a team meeting, and the team still had to face Roy Halladay that very night, the odds are, Roy Halladay wins. And not because team meetings “don’t help”, but because Roy Halladay is really freaking good.
If you want to say “team meetings don’t help” as a statement of fact, you’re going to have to actually provide something that backs up your claim.
The most likely reality is that there is no real correlation between team meetings and changes in team fortunes one way or the other. And a DP story recounting a team meeting is not evidence that “team meetings don’t work”.
"We have done everything possible to be set for this day, for this season. It's time to go. We are ready. I can promise you that." - CarGo
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.
The most likely reality is that there is no real correlation between team meetings and changes in team fortunes one way or the other
That’s exactly what I’ve been saying. Why are arguing with me?
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by CentralCaliRox on May 10, 2011 5:56 PM MDT up reply actions
Because you're trying to argue that they categorically do not work.
And I’m saying that there’s no evidence one way or the other.
That it doesn’t result in a W that night is not evidence they don’t help.
"We have done everything possible to be set for this day, for this season. It's time to go. We are ready. I can promise you that." - CarGo
There was no 1-9 road trip at the end of the year, btw.
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by CentralCaliRox on May 10, 2011 5:46 PM MDT up reply actions
Then when was the 1-9 road trip?
"We have done everything possible to be set for this day, for this season. It's time to go. We are ready. I can promise you that." - CarGo
Right after the All-Star break.
Soo.. Mid-July.
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by CentralCaliRox on May 10, 2011 5:54 PM MDT up reply actions
Okay, thx.
"We have done everything possible to be set for this day, for this season. It's time to go. We are ready. I can promise you that." - CarGo
Evidence.
It says the Rockies had one meeting in Philadelphia. How did they respond after that meeting? They lost their next 4 games, including two at Pittsburgh.
They had a meeting before the game on August 20. Then, they lost the next two games after the meeting.
The meetings did nothing to help.
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by CentralCaliRox on May 10, 2011 5:42 PM MDT up reply actions
Excuse me
two at HOME to Pittsburgh.
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by CentralCaliRox on May 10, 2011 5:43 PM MDT up reply actions
That still doesn't prove "team meetings" don't work
That’s an awfully broad categorization there.
"We have done everything possible to be set for this day, for this season. It's time to go. We are ready. I can promise you that." - CarGo
and frankly, it's a stupid argument
If the players think it works, and they play more focused, then it works. That doesn’t mean the other team’s just gonna lay down and roll over.
Oh hey, Gints…can you just fail to get anyone out tonight? You see, we held this meeting a couple hours ago.
"We have done everything possible to be set for this day, for this season. It's time to go. We are ready. I can promise you that." - CarGo
And what if BOTH teams hold team meetings on the same day?
Suppose we’d be in the 452nd inning of that game right now, because they’d both have to win.
"We have done everything possible to be set for this day, for this season. It's time to go. We are ready. I can promise you that." - CarGo
?
Team meetings are meant to wake the team up THAT DAY. Get their asses together, focus on the task, and win. I just showed you that even after the team meetings, the team didn’t win.
yes, this is a stupid argument.
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by CentralCaliRox on May 10, 2011 5:58 PM MDT up reply actions
So what happens when BOTH TEAMS HAVE TEAM MEETINGS THAT DAY?
God, my time is more valuable than this.
"We have done everything possible to be set for this day, for this season. It's time to go. We are ready. I can promise you that." - CarGo
That's an absurd question.
Then go away. Stop arguing. Geez.
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by CentralCaliRox on May 10, 2011 5:59 PM MDT up reply actions
please tell me Tulo flipped over a bunch of tables and chair in an angry tirade
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by The Lodo Magic Man on May 10, 2011 5:21 PM MDT up reply actions
After reading that USA article
I wouldn’t be surprised.
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by CentralCaliRox on May 10, 2011 5:22 PM MDT up reply actions
and a summer sausage rolled up to Iannetta who stopped it with his cleats
Then Tulo started yelling EVERYONE HERE AT 9AM WE’RE GONNA WORK ON FUNDAMENTALS
and Mora goes “Fundamentals? in the middle of the season?”
and spilly goes “I thought the game started at 1”
and Tulo goes “IT DOES START AT ONE AND YOU’RE A JACKASS”
And spilly replies “No I’m an outfielder”
and Tulo goes “YOU’RE AN OUTFIELDER AND A JACKASS”
and Herrera goes “si it’s very common”
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by Andrew Martin on May 10, 2011 6:27 PM MDT up reply actions
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