Wednesday Rockpile: Fallout from the De La Rosa Injury
by Jeff Aberle on May 25, 2011 6:30 AM MDT
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Despite yesterday's game one offensive outburst, the Rockies had a really terrible Tuesday. And that was before Colorado lost the nightcap. As in, they no longer have the services of Jorge De La Rosa for the rest of year (and maybe part of next year too). De La Rosa suffered a complete tear of his ulnar collateral ligament (UCL) in his elbow during yesterday's start.
As a result, the Rockies no longer have their only MLB-caliber left-handed starting pitcher and the man who had produced the most fWAR of anyone on Colorado's pitching staff. If JDLR wasn't the best pitcher on the Rockies staff so far in 2011, it's only because Jhoulys Chacin has been great too. De La Rosa's final 2011 line: 5-2, 3.51 ERA, 3.25 FIP, and 52 Ks to 22 BB. He was on pace for 4-5 WAR this season -- the loss of the 3-4 WAR he was in line to produce from now until the end of the year could easily mean the difference between a playoff berth and also-ran status. His loss creates a gaping hole in Colorado's pitching staff.
Fortunately, Colorado has assembled some decent depth in their system, as this year's ascendance of Clayton Mortensen has shown. Even more fortunately, it's about time for Aaron Cook to rejoin the rotation. A healthy Cook supplemented by a slightly below average performance by Mortensen/Esmil Rogers/Greg Reynolds will help mitigate the damage somewhat, maybe to the tune of filling half of JDLR's production. That proposition is iffy though, as Cook's health and effectiveness are far from a given while Mortensen is likely pitching over his head right now.
A quick digression about Aaron Cook: these next few months are crucial for his future with the Rockies. While most assumed this was Cook's last year pitching for the Rockies, De La Rosa's questionable availability in 2012 could lead Colorado to re-sign him, should he round into form. It's a combination of a contract year and a closing window of opportunity. If Cook wants to continue as a Rockie past 2011, he must jam that window open.
Back to replacing De La Rosa. Maybe Dan O'Dowd will roll the dice on one of his talented AA pitchers, Juan Nicasio or Christian Friedrich. Nicasio has been brilliant so far in Tulsa, while Friedrich has top prospect pedigree and is a southpaw. Having one of those pitchers come up would probably be the only way that the Rockies come close to filling De La Rosa's spot. However, neither has thrown a pitch over AA ball and there is a ton of risk assumed by the Rockies that their development would be stunted by a too-fast promotion. In addition, do the Rockies want to start the service clock of these pitchers so early?
Will Colorado look to the trade market to fill this need? I doubt it -- there's not much out there in terms of left-handed pitching -- Jeff Francis could be available, maybe Paul Maholm, but these guys are probably league-average at best going forward. It's not O'Dowd's modus operandi to make big trades, especially in-season and with the pieces that are available now, it's especially unlikely that he does so.
So, how do the Rockies go about replacing the production and presence of De La Rosa? Short answer -- they can't, not with just one guy. There aren't any elite LHPs available, unless you're a really big believer in Friedrich. I'd say on a list of irreplaceable players for Colorado, JDLR comes in third behind Troy Tulowitzki and Ubaldo Jimenez due to positional scarcity, if not pure performance ability. Everybody's going to have to step up for Colorado to fill this gaping hole. I just hope that they can. A rebound is still possible, what with Colorado's three stars drastically underperforming expectations so far (though arguably Tulo has performed pretty well).
I considered the Rockies' true talent level going into the season at 92 to 97 wins. Thanks to the May slump, that projection was retreating toward 90. This injury pushes it south of 90 wins and to the fringes of playoff contention. It's not an insurmountable challenge for Colorado, whose talent still hasn't shone through so far this year (and may never do so), but this injury makes the daunting task of winning the NL West incredibly difficult.
Links
De La Rosa on his injury:
"No, I'm not OK," ... "But I hope to get back as soon as I can."
Bill Chuck of the Baseball Analytics blog breaks down Ubaldo Jimenez's struggles so far this year by pitch type. It looks like the splitter is a big problem for Ubaldo so far.
It's kind of cruel that Jayson Stark has a list of landscape-changing injuries right before the Rockies suffered one.
Jim Tracy's headline comment in this article came before JDLR's injury, but the message rings true: We'll figure it out. I certainly hope that's true, Jim, but I'm not holding my breath.Colorado is 21st in wRC+ right now at 88 (12% worse than league average). I don't think that moving Dexter Fowler to the second position in the lineup is going to fix that problem.
Finally, to add a little levity to this somber morning, Grant Brisbee has his Annoyance Power Rankings. I'm super surprised that he didn't pick Dinger.
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Bruce Billings will be the one called up today to replace de la Rosa
Multiple sources suggest.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on May 25, 2011 6:38 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
This seems a little surpising.
Why no Rex Brothers?
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Not a starter
and thus will not be replacing de la rosa. Hope that doesn’t sound rude. Just seems like the best explanation. Would have liked to see Nicasio. Seems to be the best replacement for what type of pitcher was lost. Oh well. Billings is still one of the better options in the system without making a gamble, I believe, though don’t quote me on that.
but he isn't stretched out as a starter
He would be in relief. With Reynolds already spot starting Saturday and cook returning Monday, the Rockies don’t need a starting pitcher. Once cook slides in, he and Hammel, chacin, jimenez and Reynolds/Mortensen will be the rotation
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by Andrew T. Fisher on May 25, 2011 8:28 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Hammel today, Mortensen tomorrow, Ubaldo Friday, Reynolds Saturday, and Chacin on his regular rest Sunday.
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by Franchise26 on May 25, 2011 10:15 AM MDT up reply actions
Reading that just makes me sad
Man I have hope and all that, but with Ubaldo’s struggles and Chacin’s youth, that rotation looks like something we might have thrown out in 2005 or whatever. Just doesn’t appear good enough to keep up with SF. Obvioulsy I hope I am very wrong.
Ubaldo is looking a lot better
in his last two starts.
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Yes,
but that’s only because he’d have to be dead to look worse. Still a long way to go.
What?
Didn’t he throw a complete game 2 hitter in one of those?
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Gave up 3 runs
a bunch of walks, and an “8 inning CG” isn’t really a CG in my book, whatever the stats say. At any rate, he wasn’t bad by any measure, but we still lost by 2 runs. Encouraging, sure. But hardly restoring the old magic.
ill take a 3.37 ERA from Ubaldo
Thats a 3.37 ERA.
Its on our offense to score more than 3 runs a game
by purplesocks on May 25, 2011 11:29 AM MDT up reply actions
exactly.
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fair enough
but the point remains. Ubaldo has to be great for the team to be great. Throwing up a 3.37 for the rest of the year would be fine and dandy and all, but we need more from him and the other top dogs.
He’s not the whole problem but he’s been a big piece.
He has not been a piece of the "problem" for his last two starts
And, iirc, three of his last four.
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by Mondogarage on May 25, 2011 11:35 AM MDT up reply actions
The "problem" is that he's the ACE
and we have lost all but one time when he’s pitched, and rarely has he left the game with the lead. He’s also left the bullpen with a really heavy load for the most part,
I’m not saying he’s been an apocalypse or anything, at least not lately, but relative to expectations, talent, and team need, he’s been a pretty serious disappointment. He’s not the only fall guy by a long shot, but he’s not sitting in Helton’s “hey it aint my fault” seat either.
Being the ACE doesn't make you responsible for the offense
He can control the runs the other team puts on the board. It’s up to the offense to turn that into a lead or a win. He has done his job well enough to win 3 of the last 4 starts.
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by Junction Rox on May 25, 2011 11:49 AM MDT up reply actions
At that point
he needs to stop walking people, and that is my main complaint.
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Yeah, his control is still a problem...
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by Junction Rox on May 25, 2011 11:54 AM MDT up reply actions
But walks have always been an issue for him.
Even in his best year, he averaged 3.5 W/9.
Yes, he’s above that now. But even with that, he’s allowing less baserunners per nine innings than in his 2008 season, which we considered somewhat of a breakout back in the day.
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by Mondogarage on May 25, 2011 11:57 AM MDT up reply actions
"well enough"
if that’s what you want/expect out of Ubaldo, fair enough. I doubt he feels the same way. He has been pretty good lately, or at least not bad. But again, the fact is that “good” Ubaldo doesn’t lead the Rox to the playoffs.
I don’t blame him for the team’s struggles, or the team’s offense, but he has not been great by any measure. And you don’t make the playoffs with a bunch of “well enough” guys.
You're putting more emphasis on his April than on his May
last I saw, his current performance =/= his first 3-4 starts.
He pitched 8 innings and gave up 8 baserunners in his last start (and one of those was an IBB).
There is not a club in baseball, not even the Gints, who would not be happy with his last two starts. It’s time to look at the actual numbers and performance and leave the paranoia of April behind.
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by Mondogarage on May 25, 2011 11:54 AM MDT up reply actions
Exactly.
Thank you.
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April counts.
And we’ve won 1 start in May. He’s not entirely to blame for the losses, but he’s not dirt-free either.
If everyone’s argument is “he doesn’t suck anymore” that is fine, I’m not at all arguing that. My point is merely that he has not been great for the balance of the year, and the team needs him to be great.
April counts in the standings
April is not at all a reflection of how he’s pitching now, and that is the point.
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by Mondogarage on May 25, 2011 11:58 AM MDT up reply actions
Yes the team needs him to be great NOW
and moving forward. Not great in a month that we can’t change.
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I think what Teek is saying
is that Ubaldo is doing fine but not pitching like an OMGACE. And to make the playoffs we need to him to steal some games we don’t deserve to win. 1-0, 2-1 kind of affairs.
Pretty much right on, here
I’m merely throwing some blame his way for the predicament we’re in (hard to reasonably dispute), and suggesting that he needs to step it up (or continue, if you are among those who feel he’s great right now) if we want to make a run at this.
I feel if Ubaldo can pitch the rest of the season....
…as he is pitching now, then we won’t have to worry about him.
That does not mean we’ll make the playoffs.
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by Mondogarage on May 25, 2011 12:30 PM MDT up reply actions
of course hes to blame. he had an awful april
but to expect him to only give up 1 run a game is not realistic
by purplesocks on May 25, 2011 12:31 PM MDT up reply actions
I would be pretty damn happy if
Ubaldo had a 3.37 ERA for the rest of the season.
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I saw Billings pitch Sunday
in relief for the Skysox.
Very unimpressive — mediocre velocity, poor control.
He’s no major league pitcher. Gambling on Nicasio or Friedrich would be better.
“Not starting their clocks” = conceding that this is a no-playoff season. That’s
what the Rockies will be doing with a rotation that includes Reynolds & Billings.
Maybe they’re just bringing Billings up to pitch 1 game in the DH later this week.
I hope so. If he stays in the rotation more than that, everyone can safely make
travel plans for October. You won’t be watching the Rockies in the playoffs.
TuLO + UbaldDO + CarGO = LODO GO
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by Andrew Martin on May 25, 2011 8:52 AM MDT up reply actions
I hope we don't have a DH this week
we play all NL teams in NL ballparks
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You think I didn't know what she was getting at?
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by Andrew Martin on May 25, 2011 1:09 PM MDT up reply actions
you fell into the chasm
you still have to play the game, no matter how shiny liriano's FIP is*
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
*liriano's FIP currently sits at 5.14**
** suck it dave cameron
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And one more thing
Know how many games Billings has started in AAA this year?
Zero. None.
That’s who you bring up as a replacement starter — a relief pitcher with a 5.06 ERA in AAA
and 1.66 WHIP? I don’t get it.
TuLO + UbaldDO + CarGO = LODO GO
He has had success at every other level - including as a starter in Modesto.
I don’t think you realize how difficult pitching in Colorado Springs is.
Just an average guy with exceptional hair. Nothing more, nothing less.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on May 25, 2011 7:07 AM MDT up reply actions
he is replacing de la Rosa on the roster not the rotation
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by Andrew T. Fisher on May 25, 2011 7:32 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I also think you're prematurely labeling him as "not an MLB pitcher"
After seeing him once
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by Andrew T. Fisher on May 25, 2011 7:34 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
It's not just that.
His minor league numbers are underwhelming.
ERA over 4.00, losing records and mediocre WHIP in Asheville in 2008 and Modesto in 2009 as a starter. Good enough to get bumped up to the next minor-league level, but not a standout even in the minors. Compare Nicasio at AA, for ex.
Converted from starter to reliever mid-season 2010 in AA (Tulsa), with better numbers as a reliever than a starter. Ceiling: long relief, mop-up guy in the majors IF he could sustain the performance level as a reliever in AAA.
He hasn’t. Even figuring in the Springs factor, he’s been pretty pedestrian in AAA this year.
The point is: if a hole needs to be filled in the rotation, why fill it with an average-at-best reliever who hasn’t started a game since mid-season last year?
My guess is he makes one start, Cook comes back, and back down he goes into a relief role.
But I’d still rather see Nicasio or Frierich make that start. A Billings start likely concedes a game, and given our current place in the standings & the loss of JDLR, we don’t have the luxury of conceding any games from here on out.
TuLO + UbaldDO + CarGO = LODO GO
He’s not going to start. The Rockies won’t need a starter because by the time they do, Cook will be ready to step in. Billings is going to stick around for a week, hopefully not be needed except to make a big league debut in a 10-1 laugher, and then he’ll be back in the Springs. This is a molehill, not a mountain.
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I think they do need a starter
Reynolds was in line for a fill-in start on Sat. because the DH yesterday, but now he’ll probably have to take JDLR’s next start. That leaves a gap in the rotation unless someone does short rest, because Cook’s got to do one more rehab start plus 4 days’ rest.
TuLO + UbaldDO + CarGO = LODO GO
nope
Cook pitches in rehab Saturday so probalt wouldn’t start again until after next Wednesday
Today – Hammel
tomorrow – Mortensen
Friday – jimenez
Saturday – Reynolds
Sunday – Chacin
Monday – Hammel
Tuesday – Mortensen
Wednesday – jimenez
Thursday – off day
Friday – cook
So actually, cook can have 5 days of rest without a spot starter
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by Andrew T. Fisher on May 25, 2011 8:36 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Or Chacin could come back Friday on normal rest
with the off-day, they can pick their spot to re-insert Cook in the rotation. Or, if he isn’t ready, Reynolds stays in that spot.
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by Junction Rox on May 25, 2011 10:59 AM MDT up reply actions
A week from Friday, I mean....
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by Junction Rox on May 25, 2011 10:59 AM MDT up reply actions
For a club
that was all in, many personnel decisions since spring training leave me scratching my head. First it was carrying two projects in the bullpen. Daley clearly had the better spring but Paulino “won” the job anyway. Bringing up a AAAA player in Amezega and then getting him consistent AB’s is another. I don’t know what Nelson can do but it assuredly can not be less then Quintanilla V2. Now leaving Brothers down in AAA is another – what does he need to do? Strike out 3 batters an inning vs the 2 he is putting up.
And peple need to temper expectations on the savior Cook is going to be. He was rather lousy all last year and has not been dominating during rehab. Although I am not sold on Mortensen and Reynolds, Cook’s performance is not likely to be a huge step up from their early season surprising effectiveness.
Hey, they signed Tulo and Cargo
attendance has been great. Who cares about nos 22-25 on the roster?
If numbers one and two were hitting worth a damn we’d care a whole lot less about numbers 24 and 25.
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This is pretty much it.
I fully understand the whole internet consternation about Giambi (who?) and Paulino and 23-25 and all that. But if Tulo/Los/Uball were playing better, and we didn’t have to prop up Freddie Benavides’ skeleton at 3b, we might not worry so much about this stuff. But oh well.
Consternation about Giambi
….who just happens to have an OPS of 1.026.
Just sayin’.
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by Mondogarage on May 25, 2011 11:15 AM MDT up reply actions
I know
I’m not a Giambi hater, and while I somewhat agreed in the offseason that it was surprising he made the squad, I’m fine with his roster spot…but even I was getting close to the edge a bit before this recent explosion. At any rate, even a week ago, Giambi’s roster spot was nowhere near the top of the list with respect to reasons we are struggling.
This isn't right.
It’s just as possible for bad players to lose you games as it is for good players to win you games. Pitchers in particular. This thread seems to think that the worst players are neutral and you work up from there. That’s really not how it works.
Maybe.
Not sure I agree with you completely, either in your summary of the argument or your take.
My point is that you are not going to be a great team if your great players don’t perform. It is certainly fair to say that bad players can bring down a great team (or a mediocre team, or whatever). I just don’t think we’ve had the performances from the top guys that even advance us to the second inquiry.
I'm still not really fine with his roster spot, but.....
….he’s here and he is in fact earning his salary and then some.
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by Mondogarage on May 25, 2011 11:20 AM MDT up reply actions
I can see the complaint
but I really don’t see how having another OF or utility guy really makes a material difference. Position flexibility hasn’t been the main problem with the “non-stars”, but rather non-performance (Stew, Lopez, Wig) and some bizarre/inconsistent management (Herrerra/Amezaga, SMITH).
You’re not looking for ‘dominating’ in a rehab assignment. Those pitchers could give a damn if they win or lose – they’re making sure everything feels right, throwing all their pitches and trying to fill the strike zone. As long as Cook’s been throwing strikes and getting groundballs – and by all accounts, he has – then his rehab is progressing positively.
Cook was pretty bad last year but a lot of that had to do with a walk rate that was higher than his career rate. His command will be what to watch for upon his return.
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You have a point
But again he is now a back of the rotation pitcher at best. No way he comes close to giving them a replacement for DLR. The reality is Hammel is now the #3 – if he continues to pitch like he has been then things are fine.
I’m with you, there, and would hope nobody’s expecting Cook to show up and be the All-Star starter he was in 2008. But if he throws strikes, lets this team’s strong infield defense carry the load, and eats some innings, he can be pretty tough. Basically, Cook’s MO is to do what Clay Mortensen’s done, and when it comes to which of those guys I’d rather have in a big game late in the season, well, the back of the baseball card doesn’t lie.
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The solution to the JDLR problem is Ubaldo
not Mortensen/Reynolds/Rogers/Cook. They need to be serviceable. Ubaldo has to be great.
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If Billings is coming in for relief why not bring up Brothers? I sure it has to do with when to start his clock. Also it could be because Billings is a long reliever and they anticipate needing that this week.
Long Relief
I think this is the reason. Billings has gone 2-3 innings on a regular basis this year, and I’m sure they want insurance against a short outing from Mortenson or Reynolds. The fact Billings is already on the 40 man plays in here as well. Finally, the team stubbornly holds onto the notion that Brothers needs to “fall off the bike” before being promoted. We’ll see Brothers soon enough, but they are definitely treating him with kid’s gloves right now.
Quintanilla was/is
an all glove player at the big league level. I think Nelson is a little better offensively than that but not quite as good defensively, although Quintanilla was drafted for his bat originally.
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by Andrew Martin on May 25, 2011 10:32 AM MDT up reply actions
Right
all glove player at the big league level.
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AAA pitching stats in the Springs are probably pretty useless
Anyway he’s being brought up to be an emergency long man, nothing else. With Reynolds being used yesterday and the bullpen all pitching yesterday, one bad start and we would be in big trouble. Hence, bring up the long man.
I know we like to sit here and think that we know better than the GMs, but they think a lot about these decisions and make them carefully. They are likely to make mistakes occasionally, but this move has solid reasoning behind it at the very least.
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by black_knight101 on May 25, 2011 11:17 AM MDT up reply actions
Yeah,
Not too excited about that development.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on May 25, 2011 7:40 AM MDT up reply actions
It doesn't have to be more than five days
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by Andrew T. Fisher on May 25, 2011 8:12 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I know
I’m just extra pissy today. Sorry.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on May 25, 2011 8:22 AM MDT up reply actions
Go Bruce!
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This is too negative and not true. Incredible talent still lies within the team. A rotation of Ubaldo, Chacin, Cook, Hammel, and Mortensen could very well be above league average and provide what’s needed for an offense which will perform better as the year progresses. Like the past two seasons, the second half is when Tulo is going to perform better and help Cargo and Ubaldo carry the load. Tulo has never had a great first half, and it’s interesting people were expecting it and are so downtrodden, when it seems fairly likely he will rebound, as usual, in about June or July.
A team this filled with talent will eventually pull it together. Cargo is already starting to, and nobody seems to care, which is sad. I wouldn’t be surprised is De La Rosa’s injury rallies them just like Hurdle’s firing did in 2009. It’s the middle of May. Interleague games seem about the time for a turnaround from mediocre to great.
Tulo is off to the best start of his career at this point in the season OPS wise
You are completely right in that people’s expectations of him were not realistic. I have complete faith that he will turn it on in the near future and his end of season numbers will be what we all expect
by purplesocks on May 25, 2011 11:41 AM MDT up reply actions
Some good news
On an otherwise sucky day:
The doubleheader showed how nice it is the have 7 guys in the pen who throw strikes.
Don’t really agree with Woody Paige (imagine that) about Tommy John surgery being “the three worst words a pitcher can hear.” It’s obviously a big blow to the team for at least one year, but there are far worse injuries in terms of a pitcher’s career. Jorge could be back and better than ever someday – not as soon as we would like, of course, but someday. i wish him all the best in his procedure and rehab. The guy worked so hard to make himself into a top MLB pitcher, so you have to like his chances of bouncing back.
agreed
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TJ recovery and post op development have come a *long* ways in the last 20 years
That said, we probably won’t see him a game until late May next year. But yeah, there’s no reason that he can’t regain his recent performance level, and pretty much his velocity.
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Yeah, just a 12 month or so loss of performance and about $10 million in dead salary.
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question:
who finances the surgery, recovery, and rehab process for injuries?
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Insurance will take care of a large chunk of it. I'm not familiar enough with contracts to tell you how much.
However, there’s certainly some cost that’s going to be incurred by the Monforts on this injury — maybe it’s closer to an 80% insurance/20% team copay deal. At least I hope it is. The Rockies won’t have a huge amount of payroll flexibility in the coming years, so they can use every dollar of savings they can get.
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JDLR isn't saddled with any of it?
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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The injury happened while on the job,
so I doubt it.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on May 25, 2011 8:10 AM MDT up reply actions
Agree
Unless he chooses to go outside the organization for treatment or rehab, then he might bear some cost. I would guess that possibility is addressed in his contract.
by Northsider1964 on May 25, 2011 8:14 AM MDT up reply actions
I can just see his mailbox becoming inundated with form letters from personal injury lawyers. Happened to me when I got ‘hurt’ at work. So many refrigerator magnets…
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he might have agreed that a small portion of his salary be withheld in case of surgery
I know that happens
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by Andrew T. Fisher on May 25, 2011 8:11 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I also don't know the specifics of his insurance policy
However, I know a little bit about insuring sports contracts.
The biggest thing an insurance company looks at is the player and his injury history. This is why Amare Stoudemire’s NY contract was deemed uninsurable.
Next is the length of the contract. Obviously the shorter the contract, the less risk an insurance company has underwriting the policy.
Given that Jorge had no previous shoulder or elbow history, and that his deal was only 3 years, the Rockies were likely to have been able to insure a big part of the contract. From what I’ve read we’re talking the neighborhood of 50-75% of the money owed to him during his injury.
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by Jeff Francis Day on May 25, 2011 9:28 AM MDT up reply actions
Yes and that's awful
But he pitched at a high level right up to yesterday, and he could hit that same level upon his return. Contrast that with lingering shoulder problems that render a pitcher ineffective both before and after surgery, and there are worse things that can (and do) happen. This sucks bad, don’t get me wrong – but at least there’s a strong chance he comes back as a solid performer.
by Northsider1964 on May 25, 2011 8:01 AM MDT up reply actions
I think having him at productive level
by the 2012 All Star Break is about all you can hope for. But for the long-term, this needn’t be a career-ender or an injury that tranforms him into a junkballer. He can get all the way back.
by Northsider1964 on May 25, 2011 7:47 AM MDT up reply actions
Tommy JOhn
Actually makes your elbow stronger. Just takes a long time to recover. ANd JDLR is not a 22-25 year old player
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by BittenAnkles on May 25, 2011 10:42 AM MDT up reply actions
Hudson underwent TJ when he was 33
There are a lot of success stories. it might take until the end of 2012 until we see the consistent jorge we have seen this season
by purplesocks on May 25, 2011 11:47 AM MDT up reply actions
Problem is, the Rockies might not have him under control for very long.
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who is that?
There is nothing like a game of pitch and catch. 40,000 fans in purple and black can't be wrong. What's it amount to? Our Colorado Rockies.
How do you get your kids to behave? Threaten not to take them to a Rockies game. They straighten up REAL QUICK.
De La Rosa's player option after 2012
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There is virtually zero chance JDLR does not pick up that option now.
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Oh, I understand that, but in case he does the Rockies are on the hook for at least $10 million
for a pitcher coming back from TJ surgery
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This is true, however....
We’ll have at least some idea of his performance, since he should be back by around the end of next May (so we’d get at least 1/2 a season to evaluate)
I’m not uber worried about it in 2011.
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torn labrum
about 50x worse
you still have to play the game, no matter how shiny liriano's FIP is*
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I posted this near the bottom of the post game thread last night but this is probably a better place for it........
I’m sitting here tonight trying to put into words how I feel about the day’s events. Shock, anger, bewilderment, and sadness are a few emotions that come to mind, but for some reason they just don’t seem to cut it right now; because while I’m flooded with these overwhelming feelings, I have nowhere to direct them. There’s no scape goat here; just a cold hard frustrating reality – And it’s this fact, the one about the Rockies and JDLR not being able to do anything but accept this terrible fate that hurts the most tonight. The more I pray that I’m just having a nightmare, the more I’m reminded that this decision from the baseball Gods is final.
In addition, I just feel awful for JDLR. Over the last few years, we’ve watched him go from a mediocre pitcher with control problems to a nasty lefty that opponents fear facing – and along the way he’s shown loyalty to the team that helped make him the pitcher he is today by resigning with the Rockies this offseason. He was an easy guy to root for, a feel good story, a testament to our coaching staff, and in many ways, the glue of the 2011 Rockies rotation so far.
……And in one day, it’s all wiped out…………….
For JDLR….. the hard work he put in to become a borderline elite pitcher goes tragically unrewarded as he’s forced to start from scratch following a surgery that will keep him out for at least one trip around the sun.
For the Rockies….. their task of getting to the postseason just got a whole lot more difficult. Their fate now more than ever rides on their ability to execute as a team – something the 2007 squad did after losing both Aaron Cook and Jason Hirsh, and something the 2009 team did after losing Jeff Francis. The only way the 2011 team makes it to the promiseland now, is if they follow this familiar path paved by their recent ancestors.
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. Starting right now, the 2011 Rockies need to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on May 25, 2011 7:39 AM MDT reply actions 11 recs
reccd
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Great great post RIRF
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rec'd. Wish I could do it 10 times
There is nothing like a game of pitch and catch. 40,000 fans in purple and black can't be wrong. What's it amount to? Our Colorado Rockies.
How do you get your kids to behave? Threaten not to take them to a Rockies game. They straighten up REAL QUICK.
Not sure how much this changes...
Pitching has not been our problem this season, and likely won’t be going forward. Losing JDLR hurts a lot, but at the moment this is the one part of our team that has been built to handle losses.
I’m very nervous about this team right now. We have the pitching to win, but as of right now I don’t believe we have the offense. I think we have the talent, but I just am flabbergasted at the lack of progress of our young guns. There’s a problem with youth, in that there is no track record. There’s very little that we can point to and say, “he’s been through this before, he’ll turn it around” because most of these guys really haven’t been there before. I believe that to be a playoff caliber club we’re going to need to see Dex, Smith, CDI, or (please God the miraculous return from the dead) Ian Stewart step forward and live up to what we believe their potential to be. Because if this is truly our team, it’s gonna be a rough season.
And if someone can convince Tracy to stop giving up outs constantly, it might help a bit.
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Lets not forget Ubaldo
he has basically given us nothing this year. If he could step up and dominate for the rest of the season, would go a long way to replacing JDLR.
I do agree with those who see this team topping out in the high 80s or 90 wins. Going to be a dogfight to get into the playoffs.
The big hope now is that the Gints stop lucking out/stop overperforming/suffer problems of their own
But that’s not really how I’d like the Rockies to win.
we hoped that all last year
and it never happened. maybe we just have to admit that the giants are a better team.
How does that make them a better team?
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by Andrew Martin on May 25, 2011 9:06 AM MDT up reply actions
When you are lucky and injury-free for a long time...
maybe it’s not a fluke, but who you really are.
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I can't tell if I'm being screwed with here or not
But I don’t think I could disagree more – at least that NOT being healthy indicates a LACK of skill.
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by Andrew Martin on May 25, 2011 9:14 AM MDT up reply actions
The Chicago White Sox have certainly got something that keeps them healthy
Reports of a painting in the loft are as yet unconfirmed.
by biondino on May 25, 2011 9:15 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
fantastic
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by Andrew Martin on May 25, 2011 10:32 AM MDT up reply actions
plus
when you have a better, deeper roster, injuries aren’t as devastating. when you are running out exactly 5 MLB starting pitchers and maybe 10-11 MLB caliber position players, you are going to have to play a lot of AAA scrubs, like the Rockies are doing right now.
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by waterboy31321 on May 25, 2011 9:16 AM MDT up reply actions
The Giants are giving starts to Ryan Vogelsong and extended at-bats to Aaron Rowand, Miguel Tejada, and Mike Fontenot. I don’t think you understand how baseball works.
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by Franchise26 on May 25, 2011 9:17 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
The giants have faced their share of injuries this year
Panda was their best hitter when he got hurt. Zito has been on the DL almost all season
by purplesocks on May 25, 2011 11:51 AM MDT up reply actions
Zito going on the DL improved the Gints' roster.
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by Mondogarage on May 25, 2011 11:59 AM MDT up reply actions
only because volgelsong turned into 90s greg maddux
zito has been an effective #4 or 5 pitcher the last several years. could have been a loss had vogelsong pitched like hes supposed to
i see it as the equivalent to cook’s injury which hasn’t really hurt the rockies too much because of what mortenson and co. have been able to do in cook’s absence. could have been a bigger deal though had mortenson not stepped up after rogers imploded
by purplesocks on May 25, 2011 12:21 PM MDT up reply actions
So I woke up early. Fell beck asleep
and woke up hoping this was all just an extended bad dream. It’s not.
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I didn't see the article linked
But it has more quotes from players about that DLR’s injury.
It’s devastating," Jason Giambi(notes) said. "He was having a phenomenal year for us, too. I feel terrible for the kid. He was really putting it together. That happens in baseball and now we’ve got to pull together."
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Collmenter
learned to throw using tomahawks? Interesting
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Have to wonder if its time for the Rocks to make a deal
Not for pitching, necessarily, but for more offense, specifically in the infield.
I know the org is all fired up to let Blackmon come up as the fifth outfielder next year, but maybe his value is a little right now as a trade chip, especially with Wheeler mashing in AA. EY2 appears to have been let waste away in AAA to the point where his trade value has plummeted, which is the standard MO here. Lets not let it happen to Blackmon.
Nelson and Gomez are other guys like that, although their values are pretty low right now probably.
Wheeler hasn't shown any consistency to the point where I believe he could keep up the pace of his current production
Still a fringe major leaguer… If he keeps his production up for the rest of the year, I’ll start believing.
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by BittenAnkles on May 25, 2011 10:20 AM MDT up reply actions
If you can find me an impact infielder
That is available and doesn’t have a ridiculous contract, then we’ll talk.
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Does Jose Reyes count?
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I guess we should define ridiculous contract first
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Well, any contract expiring after this season can't really be ridiculous, for one
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by Mondogarage on May 25, 2011 10:53 AM MDT up reply actions
Only if you can talk him into moving to 2b or 3b without being disgruntled
Also, there’s as likely a chance that NYM doesn’t trade him and just lets him walk as a Type A. But yeah, he could definitely count.
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by Mondogarage on May 25, 2011 10:51 AM MDT up reply actions
one wrinkle
is comp picks may evaporate after this season, so the Mets may have an incentive to deal him. I doubt the Rockies would get into a bidding war with the Giants though
This is certainly true
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by Mondogarage on May 25, 2011 11:59 AM MDT up reply actions
Wandy
What would be the cost of getting Wandy Rodriguez since we seem to have an Astros connection?
a LOT
He just signed a 3 year $34mil deal in January
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by Andrew T. Fisher on May 25, 2011 8:33 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Um yeah
there is no pitching available…
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by waterboy31321 on May 25, 2011 8:59 AM MDT up reply actions
sure there is
We already lost one, might as well go get the other!
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by Andrew Martin on May 25, 2011 9:05 AM MDT up reply actions
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“Yeah, I know last time didn’t work out so well, but we’ve got a problem and think you could be the man to fix it…”
BOOM GOES THE DYNAMITE
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by waterboy31321 on May 25, 2011 9:14 AM MDT up reply actions
You know who actually is available and has said that he might come back for a pennant run?
Pedro Martinez.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on May 25, 2011 9:48 AM MDT up reply actions
This would be pretty awesome.
Maybe he can mentor Ubaldo straight up. Ubaldo would be positively giddy.
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no thanks
he was done 4 years ago. he might be better than Reynolds/Rogers, but that’s not saying much.
He was pretty darn good for Philly in their run to the World Series two years ago.
Remember the 7 shutout innings he threw in game 2 of the NLCS? I bet that if a team signs him for a two month stretch run, he’ll be a positive addition.
/Let’s self drift off to dream land
Wouldn’t it be awesome if the Rockies signed Pedro for a a couple of months, they got to the World Series, faced the Red Sox, and he beat his former team before calling it a career? Ah that would be sweet.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on May 25, 2011 10:00 AM MDT up reply actions
This stuff happens
Let see what depth we have and go from there. After a couple weeks lets see where the team is at and decide what direction we want to go from there on out.
One thing I would like to see from Tracy is get a lineup and rotation set and lets go from there. Quit fiddling around with players and sitting and starting and switching.
Here is the lineup I want
Fowler CF
Seth Smith RF
Cargo LF
Tulo SS
Helton 1B
Wiggy 3B
Lopez 2B
Iannetta C
Rotation
Ubbaldo
Chacin
Hammel
Mortensen
Cook/Rogers
Quit fiddling around with everybody and lets go from there and see what this team can do. Wiggy has always been an above average hitter and will turn it around. Lopez is hitting the ball hard and the balls are starting to drop. Herrera can get the occasional start but he is starting to settle more to where his capabilities are.
Again this is one thing that Tracy did when he took over for Hurdle. He let players play their way in and out of slumps and they started to get use to playing and performing. Now he micro manages every damn situation and every player that it is a bit irritating. This team has talent and for some reason the talent isn’t performing. I would start with looking at our coach before we look at acquiring and trading players.
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Lets sign Pettite or Moyer
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I think you’ve gotta play Herrera everyday. Wigginton has in no way been an above average hitter and serves the team better as a reserve anyway. I’m in favor of keeping Fowler and Herrera at the top, and Helton-Smith at five and six.
Again, if Tulo and CarGo were hitting worth a damn – and CarGo’s right on the cusp – we wouldn’t even be having lineup-related discussions beyond ‘Why doesn’t Seth Smith play every day?’ and ‘No, seriously, why isn’t Smith playing every day?’
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That sound you here is the Herrera baloon popping
Splits last 28 days : 241/284/301
Has not been an above average hitter this year
but in the past he has been pretty decent and I would take that production he has had in the past in our 7 hole
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by waterboy31321 on May 25, 2011 8:46 AM MDT up reply actions
Hererra's one of the few guys on this team...
…who knows how to have a situational at bat and can lay down a bunt when you need him to. He’s rock solid in the field too. If he was the only guy who had a bad month of May, I can see singling him out, but really….
yes really
lets face it…he is only on this team cuz he is friends with Cargo
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by waterboy31321 on May 25, 2011 12:28 PM MDT up reply actions
Herrera has been in the organization longer than CarGo. Heck maybe CarGo is only on the team because he knew Herrera as a youngster.
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ok i am far from a hererra fanboy and think we should start playing lopez more at 2b
but to say he is only on the team because he is friends with cargo completely ignores what he has accomplished this season which is a 95 wRC+, the best production we have had at 2b in a long time.
I do agree that he was playing over his head in april and his may is a reflection of that but he would still be a valuable bench/spot starter.
now amezage on the other hand, idk why he is still on the roster
by purplesocks on May 25, 2011 12:34 PM MDT up reply actions
that and his glove and OBP
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by Andrew Martin on May 25, 2011 1:12 PM MDT up reply actions
I hate to say it
But could this be the event that turns the season around – and get the guys to play better?
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A galvanizing moment? I sure hope so Maria. I sure hope so.
Because it’s looking kinda bleak.
Now I peruse MCC and some have suggested that losing JDLR is not THAT bad because our offense is what sustains the team. They were not being ironic or mean or anything. And oddly that gave me some hope.
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Our offense has been sustaining the team?
what games have they been watching?
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I think what they meant was
we are really more of an offensive team than pitching driven. And that our offense would get going.
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I heard we are trading for Jose Reyes, K-Rod and Santana
to pick up the slack.
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by waterboy31321 on May 25, 2011 8:58 AM MDT up reply actions
We have a few rolls of Reynolds wrap
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by waterboy31321 on May 25, 2011 9:04 AM MDT up reply actions
"we are really more of an offensive team than pitching driven."
This hasn’t been true for two years.
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by Greg Stanwood on May 25, 2011 10:29 AM MDT up reply actions
It hasn't......but MCC.
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by Mondogarage on May 25, 2011 10:30 AM MDT up reply actions
but MCC
and just about every other baseball news source in North America.
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by Andrew Martin on May 25, 2011 10:35 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm just trying to find some optimism for our season.
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I think the fact that our overall pitching staff has led the NL in WAR each of the last two seasons.....
….speaks to the ignorance of just about every other baseball news source in North America
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by Mondogarage on May 25, 2011 10:43 AM MDT up reply actions
I think the idea is that with hitters like Tulo and CarGo
Smith, Stewy, Helton healthy we should be more offensively productive.
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Ewing Theory
World Series here we come! (explanation)
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by BittenAnkles on May 25, 2011 10:24 AM MDT up reply actions
My preferred Ewing theory
We all wake up and find out that this is all a dream, and Jorge is actually in the shower, healthy and ready to go…..
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by Junction Rox on May 25, 2011 11:07 AM MDT up reply actions 4 recs
rec'd
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by DAWNMARIE01 on May 25, 2011 11:16 AM MDT up reply actions
That took me a second, but that is outstanding.
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by Franchise26 on May 25, 2011 12:08 PM MDT up reply actions
green is your best color
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thats what i say
but shoooooooot. no one ever listens to what I say
The Big Purple Machine will make a believer outta you!
by El Paso Jeff on May 25, 2011 12:44 PM MDT up reply actions
So All Star voting is getting serious now.
The Giants and the Red Sox have apparently joined forces to encourage fans to vote for each others players.
Heh. As if I needed any more reason to dislike both teams.
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I would vote for Adrian Gonzalez . That's it.
Between both teams. Because frankly I dislike the Red Sox more than the Giants. The only Giants I would vote for are pitchers and we can’t vote for pitchers…so
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He is a Giant
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by waterboy31321 on May 25, 2011 9:03 AM MDT up reply actions
Meh. Probably not. If he were appreciably better than others maybe
but I’m gonna be a homer and go with CDI :)
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Meaning, he has not been nearly as good as he was last season.
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And since Ianetta has been better than he was last season
it reasonably should be said that Posey should be given the boot in favor of the Rockies’ catcher.
I know you are being sarcastic
but I’m still voting for CDI. Shoot me.
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Okay lets all freak out and go to wal mart and buy bottled water
and canned foods
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Glenn Beck? Is that you?
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by BittenAnkles on May 25, 2011 10:24 AM MDT up reply actions
Only if there's gold in them thar Aquafina bottles
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by Mondogarage on May 25, 2011 10:29 AM MDT up reply actions
I hate to say it but I suggested forfeiting yesterday for a team camp out
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I think they're already on a campout...
That’s why the bats are asleep.
Only solution: Trade for Cliff Lee
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lets just not pull a Minnesota Twins
and trade our top prospect for Matt Capps
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by waterboy31321 on May 25, 2011 9:03 AM MDT up reply actions
Wilin Rosario
for Grant Balfour! We need more bullpen to carry us!
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Capps is closing in Minnesota over Nathan
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I hear there is another good De La Rosa on the Dodgers
Let’s get that guy and see what he’s got.
Blame it on the weather!
LOUD NOISES
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Blame it on the rain?
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by Andrew Martin on May 25, 2011 10:36 AM MDT up reply actions
MILLI
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by waterboy31321 on May 25, 2011 12:29 PM MDT up reply actions
Not feeling like doing homework for class today
and there isn’t enough going on here to distract me very well.
Hanley Ramirez's stock is pretty low right now
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by waterboy31321 on May 25, 2011 9:30 AM MDT up reply actions
Wow
Didn’t realize how bad it’s gotten for him. At least Tulo hasn’t slipped that far. Surprising to see Florida stay so competitive even with their star shortstop having such a slump.
Greg Dobbs and Gaby Sanchez hitting out of their minds has helped. So has having a bullpen pitching well from top-to-bottom and three excellent starters at the top of the rotation.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
In other words
it probably won’t be sustained…
I’m not sure they’re a 95 win team (their current pace) even with Hanley doing what he usually does, no. Would not be the least bit stunned if they ended up in the postseason, though (and won the World Series, as is their MO. In fact, it’s been eight years since their last one, which came six years after their first. They’re about due.)
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by Franchise26 on May 25, 2011 10:00 AM MDT up reply actions
With that logic
it’s also the Rockies’ year to be in the playoffs.
Just a reminder..
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by Charlie77 on May 25, 2011 9:50 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
Yesterday sucked.
Score a goal. Unit. Basket. Go squadron! Do good! Defeat the opponents soundly in this...skirmish.
Isn't there anybody here excited about Hammel time today?
Come on, new day, another game! Should be a good one.
It's Rockies baseball
I’m excited most of the time (last night was not most of the time).
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Disappointed the Sharks lost last night and don't feel like watching more hockey
if Tampa Bay loses and the Avs aren’t even in it.
Denver Bears?
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by waterboy31321 on May 25, 2011 12:30 PM MDT up reply actions
JFK's Quote of the Day:
“My Daddy was left-handed, and I was left-handed when I was little. In fact, I was left-handed all the way to high school. Then I switched over to right-handed cause I wanted to play shortstop.” ~Luke Appling
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Hey there...Cards fan checking in.
I don’t want to add a FP, and thought someone in the main thread could answer this little question.
Club level seats seem to be a little more expensive than infield box, any reason? Better view, nicer seats, etc?
We’re taking our boys to their first MLB game, and Friday, we’re sitting in 119, row 9, and would like to get them some other good seats for Saturday. I think we’re rockpiling it on Sunday.
Thanks for the time. Go Cards.
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Also, Dave Concepcion.
I'm not going to
help too much in the seating area but there has been a series running here about what to do at and around Coors on game days that you might want to check out as well. Here’s the link
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Club level seats
are great. Good views – and you don’t have to leave your seat to get food – they have runners that will bring it out to you.
Also I know a lot of foul balls end up in those seats as well.
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Honestly....
It doesn’t really matter where you sit. You’ll find Coors and the Busch to be almost exact replicas – with one big difference: Coors has an open concourse so you can walk around and watch the game from hundreds of angles. (Why in the world they chose to seal off the concourses at Busch is beyond me – that’s one of the best things about Coors).
So yeah, if you and your boys enjoy moving around, get the Rockpile tix and spend the day traversing the ballpark.
Another nice option is the pavillion — which is exactly like the left filed bleacher seating at Busch. they’re cheap and have a nice vibe.
As for Club level – yeah it’s nice. But it’s too plush for me. I wanna feel like I’m at a ballgame,
Have a great time – it’s a hell of a ballpark.
Thanks......I've been a couple of times before, but it's been years.
I’ve always enjoyed it. We’re caulking the wagon and heading down from MT for the weekend. Going to stay downtown Friday night, and the stay the rest of my weekend with my sister in Westminster. Hopefully the weather holds out and it’s a great weekend for baseball.
Thanks again all.
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Also, Dave Concepcion.
Not knowing how old your kids are
you may want to avoid the pavilion seats…they tend to be a bit less um…family friendly than other areas of the park.
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That's a relative thing
The Pavillion seats are like Disneyland compared to pretty much all of an east coast ballpark. In fact, I’ve never really seen anything out there that bothered me, and I’ve sat there many times.
Rockies fans are some of the tamest people on earth. Which is great if you have kids at the ballgame. but which also can kinda suck if you want a little intensity and folks are more interested in doing the wave :)
we had season tickets there too
love to watch a game from out there
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by waterboy31321 on May 25, 2011 12:33 PM MDT up reply actions
16 and 13, I'm sure they wouldn't hear anything worse than what they've already picked up at school.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
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Also, Dave Concepcion.
Nicer seats is the primary reason...
They’re a little wider with slightly more leg room. If the weather is iffy (and it has been a bunch this year) it’s also nice to be able to head inside to climate controlled comfort.
"Your classless organization in your unholy city accused our Team of an unspeakable act. It was baseless, the Giants are classless, and I have no sympathy for your eternal damnation."
Upscale food choices as well...
if that’s important to anyone in your party.
"Your classless organization in your unholy city accused our Team of an unspeakable act. It was baseless, the Giants are classless, and I have no sympathy for your eternal damnation."
If you're going to a ballgame...
…and anyone in your party is more concerned about upscale food choices, you need a new party. :)
Hot dog, beer and a tornadough, baby! That’s all the sustenance a human needs.
So it's not OK to want beluga caviar and Dom Pérignon at the ballpark
haters be hatin’
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by BittenAnkles on May 25, 2011 11:29 AM MDT up reply actions
Sure, if you're spending $2500 a game for front row behind home plate at Yankees Stadium
but if you’re spending $2500 a game for front row behind home plate at Yankees Stadium, you don’t even like baseball anyway and can gtfo.
:-)
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by Mondogarage on May 25, 2011 11:31 AM MDT up reply actions
If you are a wells fargo customer you can get club level buy on get one
by purplesocks on May 25, 2011 12:08 PM MDT up reply actions
anybody can do it
i am pretty sure…just go to their website
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by waterboy31321 on May 25, 2011 12:32 PM MDT up reply actions
ive never gotten them so idk how it works
just always hear the ads for it
by purplesocks on May 25, 2011 12:35 PM MDT up reply actions
yea I almost bought them
on their website and I wasn’t a customer bet then I found a better deal on stub hub
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by waterboy31321 on May 25, 2011 12:39 PM MDT up reply actions
They say you have to use a WF debit card to make the purchase
I’ve never actually completed the process or tried with a non-WF card though.
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by RoarFrom112 on May 25, 2011 12:54 PM MDT up reply actions
racists
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by waterboy31321 on May 25, 2011 1:55 PM MDT up reply actions
No, because you have to actually buy them with a Wells Fargo credit or debit card
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you can go inside!
I am not a fan of club seats…but you can go to wells fargo . com and get em 1/2price
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by waterboy31321 on May 25, 2011 12:32 PM MDT up reply actions
guess which current MLB manager isn't going to have a job for much longer?
nobody likes current A’s manager Bob Geren
“For me personally, he was my least favorite person I have ever encountered in sports from age 6 to 27. I am very thankful to be in a place where I can trust my manager.”
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by The Lodo Magic Man on May 25, 2011 11:38 AM MDT reply actions
Interesting
we already knew Brian Fuentes didn’t like Geren. Now Street doesn’t either. Has anybody gotten Jose Jimenez, Shawn Chacon, Bruce Ruffin or Darren Holmes opinions on him??
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Junction Rox on May 25, 2011 11:53 AM MDT up reply actions
Brian Fuentes was ragging on him the other day
After he’d blown another game … said Geren didn’t use him right, which apparently led him to give up walks & hits.
They probably deserve each other.
TuLO + UbaldDO + CarGO = LODO GO
Honestly, I don't recall Fuentes being that much of a griper
about his roles with the Rockies or other teams. Maybe this is a legitimate beef.
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Seems like lots of players have had gripes with him.
Players that aren’t really known to have problems. Sweeney had a confrontation with him once. Street had to be held back from him at one point when he was there. At some point Geren is the problem, not the players.
not an open griper
They did go to arbitration though, in 2008. Not that arbitration in and of itself is a bad thing, but it can be indicative of more of a split between the team and the player than simply salary.
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by Andrew Martin on May 25, 2011 2:05 PM MDT up reply actions
Hmm. I never once thought of arbitration as anything
more than about salary. Interesting.
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that's why there are typically so few arb cases
either teams buy out Arb years or are able to meet a middle ground without going to arb.
like I said, it doesn’t necessarily mean that Fuentes and the Rockies hated each other, but he HAD just lost the closer role to Corpas but still felt he deserved closer’s pay.
Usually going to arb is just a warning sign of some sort of tension between the team and player, at least as far as I see it.
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by Andrew Martin on May 25, 2011 2:12 PM MDT up reply actions
Jim Henry?
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by waterboy31321 on May 25, 2011 12:33 PM MDT up reply actions
Athletics Nation has a GREAT piece on this topic
Best Manifest Destiny: For the A’s to Progress, Geren Must Go
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by Andrew Martin on May 25, 2011 1:22 PM MDT up reply actions
BoSoxPlosion!
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by waterboy31321 on May 25, 2011 12:34 PM MDT up reply actions
I bet this is where the demise of the 2011 Indians starts
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by waterboy31321 on May 25, 2011 12:34 PM MDT up reply actions
OH my
Troy Renck is talking about Kevin Slowey….please no
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by waterboy31321 on May 25, 2011 12:40 PM MDT up reply actions
Counterpoint: Bill Smith, patron saint of stupid acquisitions.
We could probably send the Twins an order of Rocky Mountain Oysters for Slowey.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on May 25, 2011 12:48 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
haha good point
WIlson Ramos and Testa for Matt Capps=FAIL
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by waterboy31321 on May 25, 2011 1:49 PM MDT up reply actions
For some reason Buster Olney thinks Nicasio is getting a look on Saturday. I don’t know if he knows something we don’t, or is mistaken (either about everything or about the timing—we don’t need a starter for Saturday, unless we don’t use Reynolds after all).
We could go with a rotation of
Ubaldo
Chacin
Hammel
Cook
Nicasio
The Colorado Rockies aren't a team, they're an armada.
When is his next scheduled start?
If it’s Saturday I could see where Olney might come up with a rumor like that but otherwise I don’t think so. In either case I don’t see this happening, we did it with Reynolds and regretted it, although that was completely out of necessity and he wasn’t dominating AA like Nicasio is, and we did it with Chacin but we only used him in relief.
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He would be
pitching Saturday then, still don’t think it’s all that great of an idea though.
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Buster Olney is never, ever, ever mistaken
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Well, nobody ever accused Olney of knowing the Rockies well
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by Andrew Martin on May 25, 2011 1:23 PM MDT up reply actions
"It just seemed like something totally random to throw out there without some reason for it."
And you’ve just hit on ESPN’s editorial philosophy.
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by Mondogarage on May 25, 2011 1:38 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well, it was just a tweet. I'm not really interested in ESPN bashing.
And it wasn’t presented as his speculation or opinion on what they should do. That’s why it jumped out at me as more unusual.
Unless he just said it as a way to bring attention to Nicasio as someone to watch for.
(He linked to Nicasio’s profile page.)
He said
As COL scrambles for starting pitching in wake of De La Rosa injury, looks like Juan Nicasio(http://es.pn/lpZp7h)will get a look Saturday.
Bleed purple
I know, that's the tweet I was originally referring to.
Just trying to figure out whether he knows something, meant it as speculation, or what.
Ahem
DON’T DO IT ROCKIES
DON’T MAKE JUAN NICASIO THE NEW FRANKLIN MORALES
PLEASE
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by Andrew Martin on May 25, 2011 2:06 PM MDT up reply actions
even if it takes us to the WS?
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by El Paso Jeff on May 25, 2011 2:33 PM MDT up reply actions
damn you calling my one exception
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by Andrew Martin on May 25, 2011 5:15 PM MDT up reply actions
mmmmm crow
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by Andrew Martin on May 25, 2011 5:21 PM MDT up reply actions
Would you like to share a pizza insteas?
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A couple of stats that were brought to my attention last night
Cargo’s 2011 BABIP: .264
Cargo’s career BABIP: .355
Tulo’s 2011 BABIP: .214
Tulo’s career BABIP: .319
Those two WILL get going.
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provided they quit popping everything up
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by Andrew Martin on May 25, 2011 1:24 PM MDT up reply actions
Their batted ball profiles are that much different than last year
Tulo FB%: 40.1 to 43.3
Cargo FB%: 36.6 to 32.1
Are those small changes enough to be statistically significant?
check IFFB%
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by Andrew Martin on May 25, 2011 2:06 PM MDT up reply actions
Its weird because Cargo has decreased his IFFB% drastically in May yet his BABIP was lower than in April
his power has returned, now we just need his luck to return.
Tulo saw the same thing happen although his reduction in IFFB% wasn’t as drastic as Cargo’s and may not be statistically significant.
I hadn’t looked at their BABIP this closely before but I am now even more confident that they will turn it around very soon.
When he says popup,
I think he’s talking about IFFB%. In that category Cargo has seen a dramatic increase this season from 9.6% to 14% and deserves some, but certainly not all of the BABIP regression.
Tulo on the other hand has been royally hosed by the BABIP fairy. His IFFB% has only gone from 16.5% to 16.9% and yet his BABIP has dropped over 100 points this season. If his BABIP was 40 points lower than last season, which is still a huge dropoff, he would have an OPS well over .900 right now. In some a weird way, it’s actually encouraging to see that Tulo can OPS .825 (his current number) with a .214 BABIP because it helps show just how good he really is (as in his ceiling is so ridiculously high). We’ll see him approach that ceiling as soon as his luck starts to normalize.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on May 25, 2011 2:07 PM MDT up reply actions
Tulo seems to hit a lot of arcing fly balls to middle-to-deep outfield
I would expect BABIP on that type of hit to be very low because most MLB outfielders have time to get under them and tend to be stationed around that depth anyhow. That would be FB%, but there’s a big difference between that type of hit and a line-drive gapper. Of course, last night he kept grounding out to shortstop so it’s an inexact science to be sure.
CarGo seems to be well into the process of turning things around.
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Of course, last night he kept grounding out to shortstop so it’s an inexact science to be sure
Yesterday Tulo crushed three balls. One in the first inning of game one to left, another that resulted in an RBI single, and a third in game two that was a lineout right to SS. Despite this though, he only had one hit. He’s getting screwed right now.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on May 25, 2011 2:47 PM MDT up reply actions
No kidding, especially that first AB in the 2nd game. Almost knocked the SS over.
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A .160 BABIP from Tulo is shocking. The BABIP gods shifted their wrath from Lopez to Tulo very quickly
his batted ball profile is almost identical from April to May and very similar to his 2010 final profile yet his babip was so ridiculously low.
When you say .160, you mean in May right?
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on May 25, 2011 2:44 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah I was talking about his may numbers
He had a horribly unlucky may
Has had
May’s not over yet, he could turn it around in 6 days right?
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I'm Rockpiling tonight
see anyone there?
Is that four tacos in your pocket, or are you just happy to see the Rockies scoring 7 or more runs?
The way I look at is this team will sink or swim with the hitting
The cardinals lost Wainwright before the season and a lot of people thought they had no shot. But their bats have carried them along with their other pitchers stepping up.
I would argue that our team’s overall talent level is superior to the cardinals. If our hitters start mashing then we should still be in the hunt come September.
I am willing to see what Cook and Mortenson can do for the month of June before panicking and making either a trade or promoting a prospect who is just not quite ready.
Well said.
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To keep things in perspective:
The Rockies great run of 2007 was done with a starting rotation of Jeff Francis, Franklin Morales, Aaron Cook, a rookie Ubaldo and Josh Fogg.
I’ll take what we’ve got left in 2011 any day over that group.
We start hitting, we can win this thing.
Morales was an unknown rookie at the time as well
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and Aaron Cook was down for september and all of october until game 4
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by Andrew Martin on May 25, 2011 2:07 PM MDT up reply actions
And Jason Hirsh
kept getting injured, but I guess it was Jason Hirsh so not too big a deal.
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Has anyone learned why Stewy was taken out of last night's Sky Sox
game after two ABs?
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Getting demoted to AA?
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by BittenAnkles on May 25, 2011 1:45 PM MDT up reply actions
Maybe you are on to Stewy's big plan
Keep regressing until he’s demoted back to Asheville so he can live there year round.
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They wanted to get in a bat that wouldn't strike out over 50% of the time?
just a guess.
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The pigs were hungry?
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by Andrew Martin on May 25, 2011 2:08 PM MDT up reply actions
Well, to be fair, his swing is kinda hamstrung these days
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Ahh thanks!
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Why does getting promoted from AA
automatically stunt someones growth as a baseball player?
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it doesn't?
Getting promoted when you are showing weaknesses which will be readily exposed at a MLB level can screw with growth, however.
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by Andrew Martin on May 25, 2011 2:09 PM MDT up reply actions
Growth or Confidence
or do you believe they are the same?
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by waterboy31321 on May 25, 2011 3:07 PM MDT up reply actions
Both, imo
Growth can = greater ability to throw any of your pitches in any count, for instance, and confidence comes from growth, but greater confidence can convince you to throw any of your pitches in any count.
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But Nicasio is like 24-25 or something?
Has been pitching for how many years? How much better can he get? What will more games do for him in the minors? Hes not gonna throw any faster? Can he develop maybe slightly better mechanics, better control of different pitches? Maybe…i don’t know………I am not saying one is wright or one is wrong…I just like to challenge the idea of Minor League strategy of baseball…I believe way too many players go to the wayside in the minors because we try to develop them too much
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by waterboy31321 on May 25, 2011 3:18 PM MDT up reply actions
I don't disagree, and I'm no scout
Though it does seem to me that his AA success this season has as much to do with his velocity as anything else. Raw velocity isn’t going to get major league hitters out (and I’m not saying that to argue against calling him up).
I don’t know where Nicasio was in development when he was 19-22, so for all I know, he may have just began pitching in the last 3-4 years after a position switch, a la Rogers.
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Renck tweets (38 seconds ago)
OK, here’s what I know. Bruce Billings is at Coors Field. So he can provide long relief. Nicasio possibly Saturday, but not sure
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None of this matters
if we start winning.
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But I feel fine?
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by Andrew Martin on May 25, 2011 2:09 PM MDT up reply actions
LENNY BRUCE AND LESTER BANGS
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Okay. Just thought it was
interesting confirmation on the heels of Olney’s mention of Nicasio.
/shrug
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Sorry, having one of those days.
Didn’t mean to crap on your rainbow. (Really).
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only unicorns are allowed to crap on rainbows!
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Well, crap.
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Rainbows.
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and they urinate glitter.
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by BittenAnkles on May 25, 2011 2:09 PM MDT up reply actions
ouch!
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I wonder if Olivo passed a glitter stone?
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And then caught 22 innings.
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I thought that's what Lady Gaga did on SNL in her second number
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by Andrew Martin on May 25, 2011 2:14 PM MDT up reply actions
It's not confirmation of actual information, though
It could also be no more than Renck saw Olney’s tweet and thought “hey, what’s this…don’t get left behind”.
Exhibit 462 why tweets really not intended be a substitute for actual reporting.
Is it conceivable that Nicasio be called up? Well yeah, because a) he’s a pitcher and b) he’s in the Rockies organization. So yes, it is possible.
But Renck’s tweet isn’t “confirmation” of anything more than an echo in the chamber. It’s completely unsourced and not presented as anything more than speculation.
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And this is why blogs can constitute actual reporting (in a way a tweet really generally cannot)
"We have done everything possible to be set for this day, for this season. It's time to go. We are ready. I can promise you that." - CarGo
I think you may have mistook my use of the word "confirmation"
I was meaning it was just a confirmation that Olney was speculating the same thing. Sorry if that wasn’t clear.
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's cool. Of course, now we've gone past speculation, and its perfectly appropriate to consider him
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I'm completely fine with Nicasio being the guy (if true)
I’m probably more naive to the inner workings of baseball and intricacies of the minor league system, but…I don’t really see how calling up Nicasio now can actually hurt his development as a player at all(sure there is the financial/logistical factors, but whatever).
He’s already 24 years old(will be 25 by the end of the season) and he’s dominating Double-A. Maybe you’d prefer not to skip AAA, but given the circumstances of the league and playing in Springs, I think it’s pretty much a non-factor.
Now if this were a top draft choice like Matzek who were in a similar situation, but at say 21-22 years old and dominating in Double-A(oh how I hope that actually ends up being the case)…then I’d be against it completely. I could understand how that would be a stupid move and probably disrupt his development. But the situation with Nicasio, I don’t think it’s much of an issue. In fact, I think it may be our best option right now.
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All of the above is very true
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I can get behind this thinking
but I’m not sure behind behind Cargo’s ballsack is really what I have dreamed of
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by El Paso Jeff on May 25, 2011 2:45 PM MDT up reply actions
Probably beats being just a bit underneath it!
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The only thing that I can think of is that
Nicasio’s trade value is very good right now and if he went to MLB and got knocked around a bit maybe it would go down
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by waterboy31321 on May 25, 2011 3:08 PM MDT up reply actions
This hurts, but it doesn't have to sink the season. In fact, it could spark it.
We will not be able to replace JDLR before the offseason, if at all. Doing so would cost us several years of competitiveness in the future. It’s not like you can just reach down to your AAA club and pull out a top-of-the-rotation guy at will. So, we have to make do with what we have. Chacin and Ubaldo have to pitch just a little bit better, Cook has to eat innings while keeping the team in games, and realistically we’re going to have to score 4 or 5 runs to win a lot of the games we play instead of the 2 or 3 we might have needed with a healthy JDLR.
Yesterday in the first game we saw that the team is clearly capable of doing this. I think losing DLR in the 3rd sparked the team in a way, even though they didn’t know the extent of his injury at the time. If they keep the “we can do this” mentality (which they clearly had in 2007 and 2009) and actually hit as a team like they did yesterday, the season is far from over. But if all we’re going to get is two solo home runs a game and scattered hits, it’ll be a season with flashes of excitement but overall disappointment. Which way it goes depends on how the players react and if they’re mature enough to be MLB ballplayers. They have the talent.
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Whenever someone says Rox “have the talent”? Maybe we won’t notice when it becomes obvious that we don’t (if it isn’t already).
Pretty sure we’d win more games if we scrapped and fought more, instead of assuming our talent will win out in the end. Just a thought.
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Can we all just agree to drink
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And I can agree to drink here
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They Padres
scrap and fight and they don’t have a lot of talent and see where they are right now? The Rockies have the talent and now they need to scrap and fight a little bit more than they have been. I don’t think one will do, you have to have both to some extent.
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The DBacks
are also getting max effort it appears these days with a fairly mediocre group. Guess thats what happens when your Manager actually has some fire in the belly.
And I can agree to drink everytime scrit is mentioned re Padres
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Sounds like a plan to me :-)
/pours a glass
The Rox have the talent
The Rox have the talent
The Rox have the talent
The Rox have the talent
The Rox have the talent
The Rox have the talent
This could work out nicely :-)
Seriously though, talent is part of the equation. Understanding the situation and playing it correctly is the other part. I sometimes think this is a problem especially with younger players because getting to the big leagues is all about individual performance. From little league, up to AAA, that’s what matters most. But to play and be successful at the big league level you need the other crucial ingredient — understanding the situation and playing for the team. The Rockies front office pays lip service to this, but on the field, as soon as things start going badly for a few games, people seem to forget about the team and try to be the hero. The good news is it will improve with maturity. I just don’t know how long we have to wait.
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I can agree to drink here
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It's not like I'm drinking the whole bottle per mention :)
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Day off for Tulo today.
Fowler 8
Smith 9
Gonzalez 7
Helton 3
Wigginton 5
Lopez 4
Iannetta 2
Amezaga 6
Hammel 1
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Tulo shouldn't get days off...this is garbage
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by waterboy31321 on May 25, 2011 3:31 PM MDT up reply actions
I think it's a rare player who can play 162 games a year.
Especially with 7 games this week, I think it’s a good week to give him a day off.
7 games in 6 days
let alone 7 in 7, it is just too hard to take both Tulowitzki and Gonzalez out at the same time without crippling the potential output of the lineup.
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at least put him at DH
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by waterboy31321 on May 25, 2011 3:43 PM MDT up reply actions
what we don't have a DH?
I thought that was a common thing in baseball? Is it interleague play?
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by waterboy31321 on May 25, 2011 3:56 PM MDT up reply actions
Guy’s hitting a buck-eighty six this month. I’m OK with him getting a day to regroup, though I wish it were against Owings and not Kennedy.
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We are paying him $33,950.61 to sit tonight........
my life sucks
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by waterboy31321 on May 25, 2011 3:47 PM MDT up reply actions
Do you have him on your fantasy team? Cause otherwise....
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YES I DO
There is nothing like a game of pitch and catch. 40,000 fans in purple and black can't be wrong. What's it amount to? Our Colorado Rockies.
How do you get your kids to behave? Threaten not to take them to a Rockies game. They straighten up REAL QUICK.
That's why A-Fraud never misses a game
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hahaha
love the reactions
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by waterboy31321 on May 25, 2011 3:39 PM MDT up reply actions
Seems like
Wiggy/Johnny H/Lopez/Amezaga are being treated like interchangeable parts. Shouldn’t Wiggy and Lopez be getting the lion’s share of the ABs based on their career lines? Or at least shouldn’t two out of the four be allowed to string a few days together? Way too much Amezaga for my tastes.
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Rec'd
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by waterboy31321 on May 25, 2011 3:34 PM MDT up reply actions
Just not a fan of Alfredo sauce
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by waterboy31321 on May 25, 2011 3:35 PM MDT up reply actions
This lineup makes me a little nervous
I still think Helton 3 and Gonzalez 4 would be better with Tulo out. We’ll see how it goes.
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This lineup is LaRussa'esque
save for the pitcher not batting 8th (which I would approve of in this case).
Showing extreme symptoms of Rocky Mountain Baseball Fever since 1993.
Lord Almighty, the infield range
Why not just go ahead and start Giambi too? Then you could charge every fan a Fantasy Camp rate?
by Northsider1964 on May 25, 2011 4:32 PM MDT up reply actions
Rockies just Announced Juan Nicasio
will start Saturday
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according to 102.3 the ticket
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by waterboy31321 on May 25, 2011 3:51 PM MDT up reply actions
On their official twitter, too:
#Rockies starting rotation for weekend vs. #Cardinals: FRI: Jimenez, SAT: Juan Nicasio (MLB Debut), SUN: Chacin.
And Billings recall is official
InsideRockies: New on ITR: Rockies recall Billings, place De La Rosa on DL http://j.mp/juAmgD
Bleed purple
Well there you have it
Now I wish I hadn’t said I was going to someone’s BBQ this Saturday two weeks ago or I would be at this game.
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Are you sure we'll be able to see it here?
I mean it is a day game right?
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5:10 start time
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PDT or MDT?
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Yep I just checked the schedule
Fox has 6 games of which the Rockies is on. I’m relieved that I’ll be able to see the Red Sox. BOO!!!!!
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Maybe we'll get lucky Holly.
Perhaps the Cardinals make it one that we might get to see.
/Crossing fingers
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Wow, I'm shocked. My cable provider says they will show the Rockies game!
I don’t believe it. They’ve done that to me before. I got stuck with the RedSox the last time I believed their lies. :)
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I checked online tv listings (will have to check my actual channel guide when I get home)
and it looks like I get Phillies/Mets. Joy.
Well that stinks.
I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s what I end up with too.
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On Southwest, bags fly free
Fly in to the Sports Column and watch the game
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Which you like.
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And which we have.
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If I get regular Fox
does that mean I get to see it?
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Assuming no black out, yes.
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Although you might want to check
the listings for Wyoming
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by SDcat09 on May 25, 2011 4:12 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
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I wanted to take a moment to vent about Fox and the blackout rules
MLB seems to hate its fans. Why else would they prevent local fans from viewing a game from the local team just because a big front-running network choses to show the Yankees or the Red Sox for the 20th time.
I understand that they want to increase viewership for on their only national broadcast outlet, but they miscalculated who is interested in those games. Most people I know who watch baseball regularly have a very particular rooting interest and don’t want to see out of market teams play if their team is on at the same time. The casual fan will gravitate towards the “marquee” matchups, but diehards want to see their team.
Also, Fox’s broadcast “window” is insane. If their going to get exclusivity, then that should only apply for the middle of the afternoon. Most teams seem to understand this and schedule games for the evening so their local play-by-play guys can broadcast the game. Fox shouldn’t get to move their window to the evening and effectively black out 90 percent of Saturday baseball games.
Maybe it wouldn’t sting so bad if they rotated the coverage of the Fox games between all the teams. But that doesn’t fit their business model.
Bottom line, under no condition should a local fan have to endure a blackout just because some TV network doesn’t want to cover the game themselves.
In this case, it looks like we lucked out. Thank you Cardinals.
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by BittenAnkles on May 25, 2011 4:25 PM MDT up reply actions
Except even with the primetime games, teams can still move their games.
These dates were decided before the season. Most teams moved their games to the afternoon to avoid the blackout (the Rockies did this a couple weeks ago, but the Brewers for some reason chose not to last weekend).
It makes sense to have multiple games shown regionally, as then you can better maximize ratings throughout the country. It really only sucks for fans who don’t live in their team’s local market.
I agree with you
but MLB is still laboring under the delusion that basball is a “national” sport.
It's a bit of an anachronism
Before regional sports networks started carrying just about every local game and satellite packages provided out of town teams, your local team was on TV Sunday and maybe one other day. Then the Saturday game was actually well worth watching. Kind of like Monday Night Football (but nowhere near as popular). Now that you can watch your team 150+ times a year there’s really not much point to the “national window”.
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damn I wish it was an afternoon game
I’ll be out to dinner with friends in town that night. Won’t get to watch.
I will be at a baseball game
I may have to DVR this one….
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by Junction Rox on May 25, 2011 4:43 PM MDT up reply actions
Well I'm going eat and watch the game
but now I wish I would be there.
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ya im gonna make sure im at bdubbs
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by nodakroxfan on May 25, 2011 3:59 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Well as along as The Ticket says it then it must true.
Unlike a tweet from Olney or Renck :P
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Nicasio on saturday
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by nodakroxfan on May 25, 2011 3:54 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
bah too slow on my droid
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by nodakroxfan on May 25, 2011 3:55 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Ooo....coming down for a show later, maybe I should try to squeeze in
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Question
The way I see it is the difference between April and June pitching staff is that Cook is starting in place of JDLR and Mortenson and Daley are long relief in place of Morales and Paulino. On a 1-10 scale how would you compare April to June?
I don't understand the scale.
10 = way better?, 1= way worse?
I would say that any scenario without JDLR is worse.
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by BittenAnkles on May 25, 2011 4:38 PM MDT up reply actions
our bullpen despite having morales and paulino was very dominent in april
everyone took a step back in may so hopefully they can get back to their lock down ways of april but thats no guarantee
Any comparison that subs Cook for JDLR
is pretty much a waste of time … it’s obviously a big drop.
My expectations for Cook are pretty low, even if he’s
“fully recovered”. A pleasant surprise would be nice
for a change this season, but I’m not counting on it.
TuLO + UbaldDO + CarGO = LODO GO
Add Detroit and Tampa Bay
to the ever growing list of postponed games this season.
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That "La Nina" is being a total bitch.
….or so says the buffoon weatherman
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by BittenAnkles on May 25, 2011 4:51 PM MDT up reply actions
isn't La Nina
spanish for “The Nina”
by Rosenort on May 25, 2011 5:08 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
Wow, talk about desperation
The Dodgers just signed Ian Snell out of retirement. Whose more desperate here, the Dodgers, or Snell?
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must be nice since they have the support of MLB. Where is our support so we can get Cliff Lee, Albert Pujols and Roy Halladay WITHOUT giving up Alan Johnson
There is nothing like a game of pitch and catch. 40,000 fans in purple and black can't be wrong. What's it amount to? Our Colorado Rockies.
How do you get your kids to behave? Threaten not to take them to a Rockies game. They straighten up REAL QUICK.
What does that have to do with anything, Snell required virtually no money
He washed out of Cardinals camp. He’ll be making ML minimum, if anything.
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Don't know why everybody's so down on Cook
Sure, he struggled last year, but what’s more likely to be an aberration, the 5.08 ERA in 2010 or the six straight years of sub-4.30 ERAs that preceded it?
The Colorado Rockies aren't a team, they're an armada.
I'm not down on him.
I’m cautiously hopeful. Or hopefully cautious. Some of that may just be sentimental, but I don’t care. I still think he can be more than useful this year.
So long as he's still a ground ball factory he's usefull.
If the Rox are still buyers he could be a chip. If the Rox are sellers he could still a chip or what’s left standing. A team that’s desperate enough for pitching depth may be willing to pay for him if he’s still efficient enough. For right now I think we kneed to see more if Mortonsen and Reynolds are actually going to work long term.
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He's been a ground ball factory in his rehab starts, so far
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I'm going to be cathing the first part of the game at Luciano's pizza and wings a couple of doors south of Arby's at 11th and Broadway .
The sevre Among others Fat Tire and Genesse if anyone is interesed. Two screens available. Or if some body prefers there’s Stoney’s on Lincoln between 11th and 12th. Much to noisy to listen to the game but multiple sports on multiple screens and a wider selection of suds.
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