Diamondbacks 6, Rockies 3: Rockies Can't Even Lose By One Run Correctly
by Greg Stanwood on May 26, 2011 10:00 PM MDT
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PrintA typical May 2011 Rockies baseball game in just about every way.
Hoping to spark the offense, Jim Tracy tried out a new lineup in the game, putting Seth Smith in leadoff and bumping Dexter Fowler into the eight hole. The move didn't work out well for either player, as Fowler went 0-3 with a walk and a K, while Smith went 0-3 with a K before being removed from the game with a muscle cramp.
Starting pitcher Clay Mortensen escaped from trouble in the second inning, but was unable to retain his control in the fourth. After walking Stephen Drew and Chris Young to lead off the inning, Arizona catcher Miguel Montero hit his fifth home run of the season to give Arizona the lead. The Rockies would attempt to retaliate against Arizona starter Micah Owings in the bottom of the inning with three straight singles from Carlos Gonzalez, Troy Tulowitzki and Todd Helton (who batted in Gonzalez with his hit), but Ty Wigginton would follow by grounding into a double play, killing the momentum.
In the sixth, a Chris Iannetta throwing error (that Tulowitzki probably still should have caught) would allow a base-stealing Chris Young to advance to third base. Former Rockie Melvin Mora would bring him home on a single, though Mora himself would be thrown out at second base on the play.
Feeling obligated to lose by one run, pinch hitter Jason Giambi and Ryan Spilborghs (who had come in for Smith) brought around Helton and Wigginton in the seventh off of Esmerling Vasquez, but Arizona would spoil the Rockies losing by one run as Kelly Johnson took Huston Street deep for his seventh home run of the year in the top of the ninth. Xavier Nady had singled earlier in the inning and was brought around on the HR giving Arizona a three run lead.
Mortensen gets his second loss of the season, and the Rockies dip to under .500 on the season and at home. Yuck.
In other news, Felipe Paulino was traded to Kansas City during the game.
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Haha, nice title. Well played.
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This sucks and I hate it. (So do all of you.) I don’t know why it’s gone so wrong or have the slightest clue how it can be fixed. (Neither do any of you.) I don’t even know when, or if, it will get any better. (And neither do any of you.)
But I’m ready for football season already. May 26th and I’m saying that. A new record! Can’t wait for some great NFL action AW GOD DAMN IT
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College football is still going to happen
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Good point! Man, I’m sure my favorite team is going to have a great year…
(/is a Michigan fan.)
(/team is coached by a fat moron.)
AW RASPBERRIES
FML. F all of our L’s.
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by Franchise26 on May 26, 2011 10:06 PM MDT up reply actions
A fat moron
that understands tOSU rivalry. They are on the up and up. Can’t wait to see UofM play this year.
"Whenever I see an old lady slip and fall on a wet sidewalk, my first instinct is to laugh. But then I think, what if I was an ant, and she fell on me. Then it wouldn't seem quite so funny."
Jack Handy quote
title and graph induce humor, more than mortensen can say for strikes, GBs
you still have to play the game, no matter how shiny liriano's FIP is*
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
*liriano's FIP currently sits at 5.14**
** suck it dave cameron
fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee
Centurion !
yay !
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Todd Helton Is A Ninja... NO Doubt
LMAO.. Oh WM your headlines are too funny
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Okay that's a great graph and wrapup
I laughed.
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What's the over/under
for Paulinos’ Cash Considerations? Would they accept bats and gloves as currency?
I'd put it at $0
They may require that we send them money, after all.
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I'm guessing it's gonna be a Wal*Mart gift card
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on May 26, 2011 10:07 PM MDT up reply actions
Not even that. It’s gonna be 20 bucks to Pamida or something.
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by Franchise26 on May 26, 2011 10:08 PM MDT up reply actions
A very nice stack of baseball cards
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Todd Helton Is A Ninja... NO Doubt
KC BBQ for the team
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by Paleface Destro on May 26, 2011 10:08 PM MDT up reply actions
A baseball and jersey signed by Zack Greinke..
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This picture reminds me of the Rockies this month
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on May 26, 2011 10:06 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
This one for me
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by Greg Stanwood on May 26, 2011 10:11 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd
There is nothing like a game of pitch and catch. 40,000 fans in purple and black can't be wrong. What's it amount to? Our Colorado Rockies.
How do you get your kids to behave? Threaten not to take them to a Rockies game. They straighten up REAL QUICK.
by Roxman4ever on May 26, 2011 10:40 PM MDT up reply actions
Small Positives:
(reposting from the tail end of the game thread)
1) The Rockies scored more than 1 run in an inning
2) I really enjoyed listening to Jay Alvez on KOA (until the 8th when I had to turn it off and put 2yo to bed)
That’s all I got :-)
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Tulo got a RBI?
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Todd Helton Is A Ninja... NO Doubt
That's a good one too
And another quality start by Mortensen (but we’re getting used to good starting pitching)
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by RoarFrom112 on May 26, 2011 10:09 PM MDT up reply actions
I thought he gave up 3 and the 'pen gave up 3
Thanks for the correction.
Still a decent performance.
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by RoarFrom112 on May 26, 2011 10:13 PM MDT up reply actions
True, Wasted performances
Come later in the year those will be hard to come by and we WILL miss them
You see, you spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball, and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time. ~Jim Bouton, Ball Four, 1970
Todd Helton Is A Ninja... NO Doubt
lopez looks like he knows his future here is iffy
you still have to play the game, no matter how shiny liriano's FIP is*
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
*liriano's FIP currently sits at 5.14**
** suck it dave cameron
fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee
complaining about not playing a lot, and looked pretty down (despite wearing a shiny yellow lacoste shirt)
you still have to play the game, no matter how shiny liriano's FIP is*
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
*liriano's FIP currently sits at 5.14**
** suck it dave cameron
fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee
Well, he was DFAd after the game.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
by Franchise26 on May 26, 2011 10:09 PM MDT up reply actions
really?
you still have to play the game, no matter how shiny liriano's FIP is*
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
*liriano's FIP currently sits at 5.14**
** suck it dave cameron
fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee
link is below
you still have to play the game, no matter how shiny liriano's FIP is*
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
*liriano's FIP currently sits at 5.14**
** suck it dave cameron
fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee
woah
didn’t expect that so soon.
Sounds like there will be a lot of new faces soon
Well, relatively.
Probably 3 max. I’m thinking just EY2 and Nelson to start. (Though we still don’t know for sure that Amezaga gets sent down, though we assume he will be.)
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Todd Helton Is A Ninja... NO Doubt
Jose Lopez, we hardly knew ye.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
So we pretty much just ate 3.6 million
Not good
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on May 26, 2011 10:15 PM MDT up reply actions
If someone else picks him up, we wouldn't be on the hook for all of it.
Maybe have to eat some of it, but not all.
Time to get KC on the phone again...
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Junction Rox on May 26, 2011 10:19 PM MDT up reply actions
He should have never made the team out of ST
and they wouldn’t have pissed away the money. DOD makes some great moves Lindstrom etc. but he seems unwilling to admit failure until it is way too obvious.
You don't give up on the guy before even getting a look at him in the regular season.
Or at Coors. I’m not going to blame DOD for that. It was a move that didn’t pan out. They’ve cut their losses now.
I disagree here
He was awful all spring and if I recall his contract had an out for the team to save money if he was gone before opening day. All winter I said this was Atkins all over again except we were the Orioles in this case.
I don't know anything about his contract.
But I have no problem with them giving him a shot in the regular season. Not everyone shows exactly what they can do in spring.
I think they would have been on the hook
for a few hundred thousand. The guy fell off a cliff last year in Seattle – there was no reason to expect him to bounce back after a horrific spring.
by RoxandRoll on May 26, 2011 10:25 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with this
All you had to do is read some of the Mariners’ fans reactions. Sometimes it’s so effing obvious that someone is easy to pitch to and won’t be able to return to his early success when no one knew who he was. Shoulda cut him in ST. But you know, spilt milk and all. It’s possible if Stewart had been raking we might have done it.
by BostonTransplant on May 26, 2011 10:35 PM MDT up reply actions
I think that's the problem.
We had no sure thing. Stewart had a rough spring with injuries, etc. The team would have been hard pressed to get rid of Lopez at that point, I think.
Wow
Well, if anyone says the front office isn’t serious, they should think again. I’m frankly surprised by both this and Paulino, but in a pleasant way.
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by RoarFrom112 on May 26, 2011 10:36 PM MDT up reply actions
nelson?
you still have to play the game, no matter how shiny liriano's FIP is*
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
*liriano's FIP currently sits at 5.14**
** suck it dave cameron
fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee
Fields?
You see, you spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball, and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time. ~Jim Bouton, Ball Four, 1970
Todd Helton Is A Ninja... NO Doubt
neither did I
You see, you spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball, and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time. ~Jim Bouton, Ball Four, 1970
Todd Helton Is A Ninja... NO Doubt
I have no idea.
I’m just recalling tweets about it from RockiesRoster. At least, I’m pretty sure it was him.
Fields was placed on the inactive list today.
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by Greg Stanwood on May 26, 2011 10:33 PM MDT up reply actions
He played tonight.
Young didn’t. He’s probably in Denver right now.
It COULD be Fields though. Hm.
by RockiesFreak on May 26, 2011 10:14 PM MDT up reply actions
LOPEZ DFA'D, HE WE GO
You see, you spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball, and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time. ~Jim Bouton, Ball Four, 1970
Todd Helton Is A Ninja... NO Doubt
to be fair harding tweeted that like 2 minutes ago
you still have to play the game, no matter how shiny liriano's FIP is*
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
*liriano's FIP currently sits at 5.14**
** suck it dave cameron
fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee
it seems they interviewed him after it happened
and couldn’t figure it out…
he didnt exactly come out and say "welp, see you guys later"
you still have to play the game, no matter how shiny liriano's FIP is*
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
*liriano's FIP currently sits at 5.14**
** suck it dave cameron
fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee
Yeah they aren't that quick
You see, you spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball, and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time. ~Jim Bouton, Ball Four, 1970
Todd Helton Is A Ninja... NO Doubt
This is getting painful to watch. Get em tomorrow rockies, brand new series
Perhaps some vintage ubaldo domination is what the team needs
by AbsenteeRoxFAn on May 26, 2011 10:15 PM MDT reply actions
I hope im attending tomorrow
You see, you spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball, and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time. ~Jim Bouton, Ball Four, 1970
Todd Helton Is A Ninja... NO Doubt
amezaga hustles, even if he sucks
you still have to play the game, no matter how shiny liriano's FIP is*
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
*liriano's FIP currently sits at 5.14**
** suck it dave cameron
fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee
LOL
Hopefully Amezega is next. He’s absolutely useless.
Though we did carry Quintanilla for a full year and traded Jeff Baker to keep Q on the roster so you never know.
Not useless
Just shouldn’t be starting. He’s a fine 25th man and our problems are definitely NOT his fault. He also has the right approach at the plate. Just not a lot of talent.
by BostonTransplant on May 26, 2011 10:19 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm starting to wonder if beyond ability
there is some clubhouse stuff going on with players that are impacting these decisions.
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Too much weed.
Kidding… Trollin around
You see, you spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball, and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time. ~Jim Bouton, Ball Four, 1970
Todd Helton Is A Ninja... NO Doubt
Very good thought ...
Mostly because I just had it, too.
I suspect Tulo and Giambi are getting in a lot of guys’ grills and trying to make them less laid back. Not working clearly, but I think we need more intensity in general. Some of these guys look like their strolling through the park.
by BostonTransplant on May 26, 2011 10:21 PM MDT up reply actions
So watching Man v. Food on Travel Channel
Joba Chamberlain* is coaching the dude how to eat some hot wings…
You see, you spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball, and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time. ~Jim Bouton, Ball Four, 1970
Todd Helton Is A Ninja... NO Doubt
I think its more of a motivation factor
the dude is from New York
You see, you spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball, and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time. ~Jim Bouton, Ball Four, 1970
Todd Helton Is A Ninja... NO Doubt
Is there much of a technique to it?
“The dressing is for the celery, not for the wings”. “Drink some beer and eat some celery when your mouth is on fire, then get back in there!”
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by RoarFrom112 on May 26, 2011 10:19 PM MDT up reply actions
Motivating Factor
You see, you spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball, and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time. ~Jim Bouton, Ball Four, 1970
Todd Helton Is A Ninja... NO Doubt
"I always prefer to start with a fresh basket of wings
but Joe Girardi prefers to make me wait until somebody else makes a mess of the basket, then let me get in there and go to work…"
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
Whatever the manager does is wrong, unless it works. Then he's a button pusher.
In line for seats at the Grand Junction Rockies 2012 home opener
"I made baseball as much fun as doing your taxes" - Bill James (Simpsons version)
"Everyone study two out situations, count management, and I'll be back with some gluten free crackers"
by Junction Rox on May 26, 2011 10:20 PM MDT up reply actions
"A half-dozen wing rally is always better than a single wing"
“Order one wing, that’s all you’ll get”
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by RoarFrom112 on May 26, 2011 10:22 PM MDT up reply actions
LOL JR YOU ARE ON FIYAH
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The best humor comes from the deepest pain
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
Whatever the manager does is wrong, unless it works. Then he's a button pusher.
In line for seats at the Grand Junction Rockies 2012 home opener
"I made baseball as much fun as doing your taxes" - Bill James (Simpsons version)
"Everyone study two out situations, count management, and I'll be back with some gluten free crackers"
by Junction Rox on May 26, 2011 10:23 PM MDT up reply actions
Joba describes eating hot wings like...
facing a batter in the bottom of the 9th…
You see, you spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball, and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time. ~Jim Bouton, Ball Four, 1970
Todd Helton Is A Ninja... NO Doubt
What does he know about facing batters in the bottom of the 9th?
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on May 26, 2011 10:34 PM MDT up reply actions
ZING!!!
And by “zing”, we are of course referring to the heat of RIRF’s humor, and not the mildness of Pizza Hut not-so-hot wings.
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by Mondogarage on May 26, 2011 10:54 PM MDT up reply actions
Standings
They seem pretty much correct.
To this point in the season, both the Giants and the Diamondbacks have been the better team, at least judging by our head-to-head games. Luckily there’s more than enough time to turn things around, but we’ve got to start turning pretty soon.
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5-6 weeks
They were going fine for the first 2-3
But that’s long enough
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by RoarFrom112 on May 26, 2011 10:20 PM MDT up reply actions
Sorta
Really, that was mostly two guys, Tulo and Herrera, and an assist from Helton. We haven’t hit consistently well as a team since early September.
by BostonTransplant on May 26, 2011 10:23 PM MDT up reply actions
And all of last season was pretty streaky.
In mourning for Jorge's ulnar collateral ligament and lost season.
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by DAWNMARIE01 on May 26, 2011 10:29 PM MDT up reply actions
Doesn't matter who gets it done, as long as it gets done
Games in which the Rockies scored more than 4 runs:
Through 4/20: 12 times in 18 games
Since 4/20: 9 times in 30 games
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by RoarFrom112 on May 26, 2011 10:29 PM MDT up reply actions
they've been so laid back, all that extra food in the clubhouse...
you still have to play the game, no matter how shiny liriano's FIP is*
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
*liriano's FIP currently sits at 5.14**
** suck it dave cameron
fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee
Wait, didn't we play the Giants around 4/20?
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yes
scored 10 runs too
things sort of fell apart afterwards
I wonder if Timmy left behind a “present”
This is what I'm thinking
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Yep, on 4/20 they were here.
I remember Lincecum had the day off – probably spent it in Civic Center Park.
In mourning for Jorge's ulnar collateral ligament and lost season.
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Strikeouts are boring - besides that, they're fascist. Throw some more groundballs. Its more democratic. - Crash Davis
by DAWNMARIE01 on May 26, 2011 10:41 PM MDT up reply actions
Yup, it's blow up time
We’ve got too many guys with the exact same flaws in their approach (swing too big, too much pulling, no adjustments when behind, predictable, which makes them easy to deploy defense, no staying inside ball, blah blah blah) and that makes it very easy and comfy to pitch against us, since the same thing works against nearly everyone. How many first pitch lollipop curveballs for strikes do we have to see? And quite frankly, very few guys seem willing to fight through a tough at bat. Smith. Spilly did it tonight. Jonny sometimes. Helton. About it.
Gotta get 2 or even 3 guys from the Springs up here AND PLAY THEM. Nothing to lose. Start them as long as they hit. I don’t care (well, except for the 3-4-5 guys) who has to sit.
by BostonTransplant on May 26, 2011 10:17 PM MDT reply actions
I was screaming for Blackmon
a few days ago. Maybe he could provide a spark, This would require Cargo moving to CF though.
I thought Blackmon was a CF?
But maybe not, because EY has been playing there.
by BostonTransplant on May 26, 2011 10:27 PM MDT up reply actions
Blackmon can play all of the outfielders, but is playing mostly RF with the Sky Sox.
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by Greg Stanwood on May 26, 2011 10:32 PM MDT up reply actions
I don't want him playing CF
at Coors. But I do want him up here. For whatever reason Fowler has steadilly regressed since his rookie season. Nice kid but again he seems to be a little too laid back to succeed at this level.
Maybe having his buddy EY up here will light a spark in him.
In mourning for Jorge's ulnar collateral ligament and lost season.
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by DAWNMARIE01 on May 26, 2011 10:35 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm not sure it's totally true that Fowler has steadily regressed.
There are certainly areas that haven’t improved (base stealing). I’m not feeling motivated to actually research this, but my gut tells me otherwise.
Yeah, depends on what you mean by regress ...
I think he’s been mostly just stagnant. Had hopes at times last year, but he’s really exactly the same guy we say when he came up, except that he’s completely lost his nerve on the bases as well.
I think he needs a new team, to be honest. A manager who will get in his grill and force him to get better.
by BostonTransplant on May 26, 2011 10:39 PM MDT up reply actions
He would be great
for a Gibson type. Even Chris Young who has seemed very laid back to me in the past seems a bit more intense with Gibby lighting a fire under his arse.
Blow up time, yeah
Really puts me in the mind of the Avs situation once the collapse was an obvious collapse.
by Rutabaga on May 26, 2011 10:20 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
shhhhh
In mourning for Jorge's ulnar collateral ligament and lost season.
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by DAWNMARIE01 on May 26, 2011 10:30 PM MDT up reply actions
To be serious, I’m past the point of being worried or upset or anything like that. If this team figures it out, they’ll figure it out. If they don’t, they don’t. I really don’t have any idea either way.
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This is pretty much where I'm at.
I’m fine with making some of these moves, but I have no idea whether any of the new guys will provide much or not.
I, too, am past the point of worry or upsetness
and just hope nobody gets an eye poked out during play.
Heh. My life mantra
is “It’s better than a poke in the eye with a stick”
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upsetness
good word….
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by Junction Rox on May 26, 2011 10:24 PM MDT up reply actions
The only reason I'm not REALLY pissed is because I still think we are going to win the division (I'm an idiot I know)
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on May 26, 2011 10:24 PM MDT up reply actions
Ahh we are your friends now.
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Why would that make you pissed?
And I don’t think the division is totally out of the question. I’m just to the roll with the flow point.
The only thing that disappoints me is that the team isn’t even fun to watch at this point.
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by Franchise26 on May 26, 2011 10:28 PM MDT up reply actions
That's kind of my disappointment too
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at least we used to hit DINGERZ
you still have to play the game, no matter how shiny liriano's FIP is*
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Since 85 wins
will win the division, they are not out of things by a long shot. However, they need to do more than swap Lopez for Young to provide a spark.
Because if we don't make the playoffs again
I’m going to be pissed
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on May 26, 2011 10:31 PM MDT up reply actions
Wow, you'd have had a really hard time being a fan of this club from 1998-2006.
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by Mondogarage on May 26, 2011 10:57 PM MDT up reply actions
That's on the other side of the spectrum.
This team is talented enough to be in the playoffs every year. Those teams were not.
by RockiesFreak on May 26, 2011 10:59 PM MDT up reply actions
Yes, but in any given year, there's probably 14-16 teams "talented enough"
to be in the playoffs, and only 8 make it.
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by Mondogarage on May 26, 2011 11:12 PM MDT up reply actions
Oh definitely.
A team I can think of right now would be the Braves.
Anyway, I do think that with the high expectations, it’s a whole different story than it was from 1998-2006.
by RockiesFreak on May 26, 2011 11:17 PM MDT up reply actions
Oh, I do agree...and expectations should be higher now
But major league baseball is hard, and I just think we’re a bit….well, not entitled to feel “entitled” to a playoff spot (I know that’s not what you’re saying)
And it’s also a long season with ebbs and flows….If this were an NFL season, we’d be five games into it. Remember when the Donkeys were 5-0 the other year? That didn’t turn out so well.
I’m glad that the club is actively trying to address its shortcomings, but we’re a long long away from having to blow anything up.
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by Mondogarage on May 26, 2011 11:23 PM MDT up reply actions
Heh.
Also, I know it’s totally cliche and trite, but even then, “there’s always next year.” That’s why I like being a sports fan. Because there really always is another year. I’ve been a fan of the same pro and college teams for decades. All of them have disappointed me many times, often in painful ways. But I still love them all and root just as hard for them.
And now someone is probably just going to be pissed I even brought it up.
by holly96 on May 26, 2011 10:59 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dangit, Holly! I can't believe you brought that up!
kidding. You’re exactly right. That’s the beauty of pro sports. And in baseball it’s even better because 161 times a year there’s always tomorrow too.
I’m certainly not ready to give up on this season though, not 3 games back with 113 left to play.
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by RoarFrom112 on May 26, 2011 11:07 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
IAWTC about x10000
I like being a Rockies fan because I’ve been able to be a fan for the club’s entire existence. And while I wish we’d won 4-5 World Series’ by now….we’re not the Pirates.
And unlike the Dodgers and Mets, we at least know who’s running the club.
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by Mondogarage on May 26, 2011 11:13 PM MDT up reply actions
I've followed them since 02 and the difference is that this team is designed to win now
I’m gonna be pissed if we waste this window.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on May 26, 2011 11:12 PM MDT up reply actions
The window's not going to close in 2011
Seriously, if you think our club is centered around the big O’s, then our theoretical window is at least the next 4 years. And Hammel, Chacin, Fowler, Smith, many others are team controlled for at least the next couple of years.
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by Mondogarage on May 26, 2011 11:15 PM MDT up reply actions
I realize the window is not going to close that fast
But I also firmly believe that you need take advantage of opportunities when they are presented and if you don’t, you failed (for that season anyway), and not being pissed about that is a losers mentality in my mind.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on May 26, 2011 11:18 PM MDT up reply actions
Fans don't need to be pissed.
Players should be pissed. But I don’t think I have a losers’ mentality if I’m not actively pissed when my team loses.
We're not going to agree here so I'm going to drop it right now
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on May 26, 2011 11:21 PM MDT up reply actions
Okay.
As long as you don’t assume that all fans have to react the same in order to be equally invested. I’m not going to accept that.
No
I don’t believe all fans need to react the same but I do believe that the fan base as a whole should consider an underachieving team (which I beleive the Rockies have been since the start of 2010) unacceptable.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on May 26, 2011 11:28 PM MDT up reply actions
But as fans, what are we supposed to do about it?
It may be unacceptable, but I can’t do anything about it. So I choose not make my self miserable over it.
Also, at some point, some people may need to reconsider their expectations
Maybe we’ve simply mis-assessed the true potential of this team. Stewart’s already busted twice this season. Dex hasn’t progressed beyond 2009 for the most part, Herrera is who Herrera is, Spilly is a typical 4th OF, etc.
It’s entirely possible that the 2011 Rockies’ actual talent level is that of a .500 ballclub give or take. And as such, 93-95 wins is unreasonable expectations, and 83 wins would not be underachieving.
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by Mondogarage on May 26, 2011 11:36 PM MDT up reply actions
I like to get emotional as a fan
I’d rather love this team and get pissed when they lose than just be numb and feel nothing at all.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on May 26, 2011 11:41 PM MDT up reply actions
I get emotional.
I just don’t let disappointments linger to my everyday life. But different strokes…
Don't you DARE deny me
my pissed offness!!! That’s gonna really piss me off.
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Tru Dat...we're too easy on them
Taking a month off with the investment the Monforts have made in this team is UNACCEPTABLE. Two week slump is baseball, five week slump is more than a slump, it’s a trend and more reflective of something bigger…that’s why I’m concerned that maybe, just maybe, this team is not all that we all thought it was…
by singlikebono on May 26, 2011 11:21 PM MDT up reply actions
Jose Lopez story is frontpaged
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If they think
EY is the solution for the teams offensive woes then clearly they know something that we don’t.
Can EY play 3rd?
If not, who is going to platoon with Wigginton there?
Amezaga, probably. Herrera can play over there in a pinch.
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by Franchise26 on May 26, 2011 10:26 PM MDT up reply actions
giving wigginton the bulk of the 3b playing time is probably not that bad an idea
you still have to play the game, no matter how shiny liriano's FIP is*
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Offensively
Wiggy is the best of a bad lot. Defensively he is a utilty guy playing 3B. But in light of our other options he needs to play there.
Maybe he's figured something out
He’s absolutely crushing AAA, and not with a particular home bias either. Plus he’s stealing bases at will, and AAA catchers tend to have ML experience … they’re not bad.
by BostonTransplant on May 26, 2011 10:29 PM MDT up reply actions
man this team blows right now
at least we are getting rid of crap players who don’t belong
LETS GO RED WINGS!
2011 will be the year....better be....
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Young players who are hitting at AAA
Very far from any guarantees, but there’s a chance someone like Blackmon or Young could catch fire and spark the team. There’s also a chance the overall approach of the team could change, with some scrappiness catching on with the other guys (Dexter, you listening?)
by BostonTransplant on May 26, 2011 10:31 PM MDT up reply actions
grinding out an AB every once in a while probably wouldn't kill anybody
laying of first pitch swings at terrible pitches…
you still have to play the game, no matter how shiny liriano's FIP is*
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
*liriano's FIP currently sits at 5.14**
** suck it dave cameron
fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee
I wanted to see Giambi take a couple tonight
He comes up right after Dex walks on some pitches that weren’t even close. Two pitches and two swings later, Giambi is in an 0-2 hole…
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Junction Rox on May 26, 2011 10:34 PM MDT up reply actions
But those were strikes, so would have been 0-2 anyway
Pitchers, since last September really, have been throwing TONS of early count strikes against us. It’s clearly the book on the Rox. So I’m OK with Giambi trying to hit one. What I didn’t like (again) was how big his swings were until 2 strikes.
by BostonTransplant on May 26, 2011 10:43 PM MDT up reply actions
The first pitch was a strike
the second one was well outside…
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
Whatever the manager does is wrong, unless it works. Then he's a button pusher.
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by Junction Rox on May 26, 2011 10:47 PM MDT up reply actions
When we were 12-3
I never would have believed anyone who told me that the Rockies would be under .500 again this season. WOW
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on May 26, 2011 10:25 PM MDT reply actions
I could believe being under .500
I cannot believe how anemic our offense is….that’s what boggles my mind
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I think we had a poll about that at the time
I voted that we would spend a few more days below .500 , but I really wanted to be wrong.
On the bright side, the last time we got below .500, we won 11 of the next 12….
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Junction Rox on May 26, 2011 10:26 PM MDT up reply actions
This is perhaps the most over-rated Rockies team in our short history
WTF? This team has nothing going for it (other than Toddfather)…We’re now 8 weeks into the season and I cannot think of a good thing to say. JDRL is gone, 3B is a mess (I’m actually hoping for a .100 hitting Stewart gets called back up – wiggy is a disaster in the field), Tulo bunts desperately, Cargo looks lost, U can’t win, Tracy is now consistently out-managed, Huston grooves the center-cut…I could go on and on. If we were in NYC or Boston, there would be outrage! Here it goes, and I realize it’s still early, but I think it’s time to start looking at the top…Tracy needs to rid himself of that fancy wristwatch and start looking for new employment.
Is there, like, a rule that everybody who registers for Purple Row absolutely MUST make a ‘fire the manager’ post on the first day that they post? And can we get rid of that rule?
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by Franchise26 on May 26, 2011 10:27 PM MDT up reply actions
Is it one of those "unwritten" rules?
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
Whatever the manager does is wrong, unless it works. Then he's a button pusher.
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by Junction Rox on May 26, 2011 10:30 PM MDT up reply actions
Not my first post, but nice quip
Just very frustrated, and can’t understand why this team can’t get any traction…especially at home!
by singlikebono on May 26, 2011 10:36 PM MDT up reply actions
I’m frustrated too. I just don’t think the knee jerk ’It’s Tracy’s fault!’ reaction is the right one. The players seem to really like him (Street’s recent comments suggest as much). He can’t make the lineup hit better, really, all he can do is put his best 8 out there and hope they put some runs on the board.
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by Franchise26 on May 26, 2011 10:39 PM MDT up reply actions
Well, comparing Geren with Tracy is like
going from Attila the Hun to Ghandi….or something.
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I'm not for firing him (yet) either, but ...
“the players really like him” doesn’t seem like a real strong argument for keeping him. In fact, it seems more likely to be part of the problem.
by BostonTransplant on May 26, 2011 10:45 PM MDT up reply actions
So, you'd rather have a manager they don't get along with?
by holly96 on May 26, 2011 10:48 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
if he can manage effectively and doesnt try to play MATCHUPZ for no reason
i dont give a damn if they like him or not
you still have to play the game, no matter how shiny liriano's FIP is*
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
*liriano's FIP currently sits at 5.14**
** suck it dave cameron
fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee
I guarantee you the players and the front office do.
And they should. I’m not saying you keep someone just because players like them. But you certainly don’t hire someone who is going to rub guys the wrong way. That’s just likely to cause other problems.
Buck Shoalwalter is already taken...
Maybe someone who kicks them in the butt evrey now and then to get them out of their comfort zone? Some body who will make you come to the ball park at 9:00 am to work on your flaws till they’re minimized and your strengths till they are polished? Somebody who will teach you why you do something instead of just expecting it?
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well
he doesn’t usually put the best 8 out there these days because he is constantly making time for the Amezegas of the world.
I'm not sure
Herrera is better than AA at this point, at least not offensively.
by BostonTransplant on May 26, 2011 10:47 PM MDT up reply actions
Girardi has the ideal personality for this team
If the Yankees finish out of the playoffs, maybe the Rox have shot???
by singlikebono on May 26, 2011 10:47 PM MDT up reply actions
heck girardi even used to play for this team
you still have to play the game, no matter how shiny liriano's FIP is*
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
*liriano's FIP currently sits at 5.14**
** suck it dave cameron
fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee
I'm not sure we really have any idea what the ideal personality is for this team.
We’re not in the clubhouse or in the manager’s office or even in the dugout other than some glimpses.
by holly96 on May 26, 2011 10:48 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
chances are someone young and fiery would do pretty well
girardi isnt far from that
you still have to play the game, no matter how shiny liriano's FIP is*
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
*liriano's FIP currently sits at 5.14**
** suck it dave cameron
fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee
Wally Backman
in the Mets system also would work. However, the mgt would not overlook his off the field issues from about 5 years ago.
Wally Backman likely never manages a ML team for exactly the reason you cite
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by Mondogarage on May 26, 2011 11:02 PM MDT up reply actions
which is a shame
because he is a good baseball man. Sometimes second chances work out (Hamilton) and sometimes they don’t (Dukes).
Yes, it's a shame...
but in Hamilton’s and Dukes cases, they had the “excuse” of misguided youth and such. Backman….not so much.
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by Mondogarage on May 26, 2011 11:16 PM MDT up reply actions
Wally Backman is the greatest.
(EXTREMELY salty language there.)
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by Franchise26 on May 26, 2011 11:17 PM MDT up reply actions
PLEASE. NO.
Joe Girardi may be my most hated figure in modern baseball.
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by Greg Stanwood on May 26, 2011 10:54 PM MDT up reply actions
Heh.
I don’t hate him at all. But I’m not sure he’d suddenly have the team winning. Nor do I really think any manager would suddenly have the team winning.
did anyone think tracy would suddenly get the team winning in 09?
you still have to play the game, no matter how shiny liriano's FIP is*
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
*liriano's FIP currently sits at 5.14**
** suck it dave cameron
fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee
That was different.
There were actual conflicts with Hurdle at the time. I don’t think the same is true with Tracy now.
I was hoping we would have hired Girardi after Florida fired him
I think he’d be great here. But that’s a nonstarter to even think about before the offseason, and even then, the Yanks may not can him, because the FO there knows they have almost no pitching beyond CC.
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by Mondogarage on May 26, 2011 11:01 PM MDT up reply actions
but if he opts out and signs elsewhere next year, the yanks are officially in a rebuilding phase
and girardi is very likely gone as well
you still have to play the game, no matter how shiny liriano's FIP is*
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
*liriano's FIP currently sits at 5.14**
** suck it dave cameron
fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee
Yes, this may well be the case
But again, it’s at least six months off…hard to get all twisted up now thinking about it.
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by Mondogarage on May 26, 2011 11:16 PM MDT up reply actions
No, not your first post...about your 10th.
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by Mondogarage on May 26, 2011 11:00 PM MDT up reply actions
agreed, the man has no fire in his belly
every interview he has the exact same tone of voice
you still have to play the game, no matter how shiny liriano's FIP is*
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
*liriano's FIP currently sits at 5.14**
** suck it dave cameron
fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee
I don't know that he's that laid-back
I’ve heard plenty of players say he’ll get on guys when they’re not doing well. Interviews aren’t the best places to get all upset.
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by RoarFrom112 on May 26, 2011 10:40 PM MDT up reply actions
they may not be the place to be upset, but they're certainly a place to not talk like you're ben stein calling attendance at an early-morning class in chicago in the 80s
you still have to play the game, no matter how shiny liriano's FIP is*
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
*liriano's FIP currently sits at 5.14**
** suck it dave cameron
fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee
You don't know the tone of voice he takes with players in his office, though.
Just sayin’, what you hear in the typical post game hokum feed-the-reporters press conference doesn’t necessarily represent how he deals with players 1-on-1
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by Mondogarage on May 26, 2011 11:03 PM MDT up reply actions
Yep.
The college football team I root for has a coach who hates dealing with the press, and is never very animated at all. But people who have been to practices, etc., say he is almost a totally different person with the team (he has fun, jokes around, etc.). A coach/manager’s public persona doesn’t always reflect how he deals with his team behind closed doors.
Now, I highly doubt Tracy is tearing through the clubhouse cussing up a storm. But I wager he’s far more pointed and direct with his players than we realize.
I can picture it. He gets terse with the media at times.
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You know, when his teams were really bad in Pittsburgh, it was because Tracy was an asshole?
How about we all just admit we don’t know jack-shit about the personality of this baseball team?
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
by Franchise26 on May 26, 2011 10:30 PM MDT up reply actions
Good point on personality
They just look direction-less. After seeing the DBacks reflect Gibby’s personality, it is all the more obvious.
by singlikebono on May 26, 2011 10:34 PM MDT up reply actions
When the D-Backs were playing like ass last year nobody was saying a damn word about the team ‘reflecting the manager’s personality’.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
by Franchise26 on May 26, 2011 10:56 PM MDT up reply actions
no, but gibson always competed, on the field, basepaths, or at the plate, and the dbacks are doing that a lot better now
at least the ones who matter, upton, young, drew, montero, johnson
you still have to play the game, no matter how shiny liriano's FIP is*
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
*liriano's FIP currently sits at 5.14**
** suck it dave cameron
fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee
Nobody will be talking about that when the D-Backs finish at 78 wins. It’s a bunch of crap.
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by Franchise26 on May 26, 2011 10:58 PM MDT up reply actions
would you say that if we were grinding out at-bats, robbing guys of home runs, and pulling off double steals?
you still have to play the game, no matter how shiny liriano's FIP is*
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
*liriano's FIP currently sits at 5.14**
** suck it dave cameron
fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee
That’s called ‘playing baseball well’ or ‘doing what you’re supposed to be doing’. I wouldn’t be saying anything about ‘Wowzers, this team is sure cut from the image of their manager! I’m saying that in an effort to sound smart about something that’s as simple as a professional team playing well!’
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by Franchise26 on May 26, 2011 11:01 PM MDT up reply actions
so you're saying gibson's aggresive style as a player is in no way influencing the way arizona is playing baseball this year?
you still have to play the game, no matter how shiny liriano's FIP is*
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
*liriano's FIP currently sits at 5.14**
** suck it dave cameron
fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee
It has absolutely nothing to do with it whatsoever.
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by Franchise26 on May 26, 2011 11:04 PM MDT up reply actions
agree to disagree
you still have to play the game, no matter how shiny liriano's FIP is*
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
*liriano's FIP currently sits at 5.14**
** suck it dave cameron
fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee
I would take
Montero over CDI at Catcher. Helton at 1B over whoever they are running out. 2B is a toss up between Johnsons power and Hererras OBP. SS is closer than people think. 3B is a little tittled in AZ favor particularly when Roberts plays. I like Uptons upside in RF and Youngs power in CF but would take Cargo in left. Putz over Street as the closer but the rest of our pen is better. You would think our rotation should be better.
In closing the teams talent levels are not that far apart.
I'll take that bet
Their pitching is solid, and their hitters square up balls far more than us, top to bottom in the order. Slump, streak or otherwise, I’d take gibby managing our team over any other team in the division (now that Posey is down).
by singlikebono on May 26, 2011 11:01 PM MDT up reply actions
The D-Backs have played at a 72 win pace under Gibson since he was hired last year. He’s not all of a sudden Casey Freaking Stengel because his team has played well for two weeks.
(my bad on the f-bomb, guys. Sorry.)
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by Franchise26 on May 26, 2011 11:14 PM MDT up reply actions
We don't know personalities, true ...
But approaches, especially at the plate, are pretty obvious. Most of our guys have been making the exact same mistakes all year now. I see no adjustments, no shorter swings, no inside outing the ball, no going up the middle for a few days, nothing. That’s either because the coaching staff isn’t telling them to change, or they aren’t listening. Both are very bad, and both (unfairly) lead to managers being fired.
by BostonTransplant on May 26, 2011 10:50 PM MDT up reply actions
I don’t disagree with you about the horsecrap approaches that this team is taking at the dish, but I trust you’re familiar with the man who led his horse to water yet watched it go without a drink.
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by Franchise26 on May 26, 2011 10:52 PM MDT up reply actions
Very familiar, which is why I said "unfair"
But it’s also true that sometimes, almost magically, a change at the top can inspire guys to listen, relax, and play better. Human beings are weird animals.
by BostonTransplant on May 26, 2011 10:56 PM MDT up reply actions
I just really, really don’t see the Rockies being at a point where that’s the solution.
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by Franchise26 on May 26, 2011 11:09 PM MDT up reply actions
It's probably too early to think about it for this season...
But if the Rox miss the playoffs, it is fair to start thinking about who can light a fire under this team. We’ve got Tulo and Cargo locked up for a long time, and whoever we hire, has to deal with their under-performance (assuming they don’t improve dramatically over where they stand today).
by singlikebono on May 26, 2011 11:12 PM MDT up reply actions
Most people actually expected Cargo to regress.
And Tulo’s notoriously a 2nd half player.
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by Mondogarage on May 26, 2011 11:17 PM MDT up reply actions
Regress, yes...100 point drop, no
Agreed on not expecting Cargo to go .340 again, but expecting .280 after doling out 80 mil is not too much to ask. Give him credit though, they guy can play left field better than anyone in baseball, and that’s worth quite a bit at Coors Field.
by singlikebono on May 26, 2011 11:28 PM MDT up reply actions
The size of his contract does not dictate his batting average
If it did, A-Fraud would be hitting .450 every year.
And I’m not slamming CarGo at all…I think he’s a wonderful player. I happen to think he’s still not a finished product as a hitter, however, and he has a hole in his hitting approach that’s fairly easy to exploit…but if you make a mistake to him, he’ll make you pay big.
But assuming he’d lead us to the promised land as a matter of course, was probably a mistake.
"We have done everything possible to be set for this day, for this season. It's time to go. We are ready. I can promise you that." - CarGo
by Mondogarage on May 26, 2011 11:33 PM MDT up reply actions
When his teams were really bad in Pittsburgh, he had really bad players and a worse F.O.
He took the Dodgers to the playoffs twice in four years.
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by Mondogarage on May 26, 2011 11:04 PM MDT up reply actions
to be fair to tracy
we have had serious bad BABIP luck
i mean he’s not helping the situation, but it’s not entirely his fault… just a large amount.
you still have to play the game, no matter how shiny liriano's FIP is*
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
*liriano's FIP currently sits at 5.14**
** suck it dave cameron
fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee
Yup, if Tracy would just stop lining hard shots to 3B, all our problems would be fixed.
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by Mondogarage on May 26, 2011 11:07 PM MDT up reply actions
No, he’s telling the players to hit those line drives at third base. And doing it in something less than a stern tone of voice. And he’s not angry enough after they make outs.
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by Franchise26 on May 26, 2011 11:08 PM MDT up reply actions
i remember when i had the reading comprehension of a 5 year old
you still have to play the game, no matter how shiny liriano's FIP is*
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
*liriano's FIP currently sits at 5.14**
** suck it dave cameron
fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee
I remember when I had the punctuation skills of one, too. You’ve been banging the ‘Tracy isn’t firey enough’ drum throughout this entire thread, junior.
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by Franchise26 on May 26, 2011 11:11 PM MDT up reply actions
Don't you mean nuculear
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it is ludicrous to assume that when almost the entire team ceases hitting for a very extended period of time, which coincides with several very bad leadership decisions, that the person making those decisions is not related
you still have to play the game, no matter how shiny liriano's FIP is*
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
*liriano's FIP currently sits at 5.14**
** suck it dave cameron
fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee
The entire team didn't stop hitting because Jim Tracy gave Amezaga a few starts
and it’s ludicrous to assume otherwise.
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by Mondogarage on May 26, 2011 11:25 PM MDT up reply actions
Please elaborate on these ‘very bad leadership decisions’, and no, ‘using Alfredo Amezaga’ doesn’t count (more than once, anyway).
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by Franchise26 on May 26, 2011 11:25 PM MDT up reply actions
im not going to go through every box score and play-by-play for what amounts to almost a month of games
but you know tracy has made several poor decisions regarding lineup construction, position player and bullpen usage, basic game tactics, etc, and to say that he hasnt is just lying. why can you not accept that tracy’s leadership might not be helping?
you still have to play the game, no matter how shiny liriano's FIP is*
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
*liriano's FIP currently sits at 5.14**
** suck it dave cameron
fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee
Because I have just as much evidence that it’s not Tracy’s fault as you do that it is. Which is ‘zero’. All I know is that the players aren’t getting it done and I put that squarely on the players. I don’t love every lineup decision I’ve seen this season, either, but I’m not making the leap from ‘Alfredo Amezaga probably shouldn’t ever play shortstop’ to ‘fire the manager’.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
by Franchise26 on May 26, 2011 11:41 PM MDT up reply actions
bad lineup construction, poor position player and bullpen usage, and basic game tactics sound an awful lot like something that a manager might have something to do with
but you’re obviously not going to accept that point, so whatever
you still have to play the game, no matter how shiny liriano's FIP is*
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
*liriano's FIP currently sits at 5.14**
** suck it dave cameron
fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee
Of course a manager has something to do with those things.
I think the difference is that not everyone agrees on the extent those things have happened.
Whatever, indeed, ee cummings. The Rockies are losing because they’re playing badly, which does not necessarily also mean they’re being managed badly.
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by Franchise26 on May 26, 2011 11:47 PM MDT up reply actions
I can think of other good things.
Chacin, Hammel, Mortensen, Lindstrom. Outfield defense for the most part, Smith.
And I have no desire to see Stew back up yet. At least Wigginton puts the ball into play.
by holly96 on May 26, 2011 10:28 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well the entire MattPen really
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Agreed on Chacin, Lindstrom, and when I think about it, Spilly in a pinch is not too bad either.
Tracy’s wristwatch and monotone fire-less approach is really annoying me.
by singlikebono on May 26, 2011 10:32 PM MDT up reply actions
the mattpen as a whole
you still have to play the game, no matter how shiny liriano's FIP is*
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
*liriano's FIP currently sits at 5.14**
** suck it dave cameron
fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee
And who are you going to hire *today* to take his place who's actually demonstrably better?
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by Mondogarage on May 26, 2011 10:59 PM MDT up reply actions
Colorado Rockies, I wish I could quit you
But I can’t, so I’ll see you guys again tomorrow. Go Rockies.
by AbsenteeRoxFAn on May 26, 2011 10:28 PM MDT reply actions
I'm thinking along
with earlier posters that something is going on we don’t know about.
I made a comment above that I think
some of these moves may not be totally performance driven. I wonder if Lopez, Paulino etc are not “good” clubhouse guys….etc. Just speculation on my part.
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Helmer or someone made a comment that Paulino was good in the clubhouse, just too inconsistant on the mound.
In mourning for Jorge's ulnar collateral ligament and lost season.
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by DAWNMARIE01 on May 26, 2011 10:37 PM MDT up reply actions
Ahh well there you go.
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Would we hear anything though? I would think what happens in the clubhouse stays in the clubhouse.
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Things leak out with other teams, though.
If there were persistent problems, I think we’d hear about it.
That was Lopez' reputation in Seattle
But those “reputations” aren’t usually based on anything.
by BostonTransplant on May 26, 2011 10:52 PM MDT up reply actions
Well, they're often based on one thing....
….a local beat reporter getting his ego tweaked by said “not good in the clubhouse” guy.
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by Mondogarage on May 26, 2011 11:08 PM MDT up reply actions
It seems that a lot of close games have been lost
with the help of mistakes from Lopez, Paulino, Morales… so maybe these changes will begin to help
I was listening to the DBacks radio broadcast...
They said that Montero has more defensive assists (i.e. popouts and throwing out Tulo) in this series, than the entire previous 30 plus games combined…indicative of our inability to hit the ball at home…
by singlikebono on May 26, 2011 10:40 PM MDT up reply actions
Maybe Frank Sinatra was talking about the 2011 Rockies.....
.
That’s life, that’s what all the people say.
You’re riding high in April,
Shot down in May
But I know I’m gonna change that tune,
When I’m back on top, back on top in June.
I said that’s life, and as funny as it may seem
Some people get their kicks,
Stompin’ on a dream
But I don’t let it, let it get me down,
‘Cause this fine ol’ world it keeps spinning around
I’ve been a puppet, a pauper, a pirate,
A poet, a pawn and a king.
I’ve been up and down and over and out
And I know one thing:
Each time I find myself, flat on my face,
I pick myself up and get back in the race.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on May 26, 2011 10:37 PM MDT reply actions 2 recs
I like this. But what about November?
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But now the days grow short, I’m in the autumn of the year
And now I think of my life as vintage wine from fine old kegs
From the brim to the dregs, and it poured sweet and clear
It was a very good year
(kick axe guitar solo)
by Rutabaga on May 26, 2011 10:40 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
Well that's depressing
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All winter long
Some of us were pointing out that the team had done nothing to improve their road hitting woes from last year. Essentially we swapped Mora for Wiggy and Barmes for Lopez and prayed for improvement out of Stewie, Dex, CDI, and Smith. Smiths average is up from last year but the rest of them haven’t really picked up the ball.
The point is – why is anybody surprised that they can’t hit with the same guys who did nothing in September last year (once Tulo went cold). I am pleasantly surprised at the Helton resurgence but honestly most of the players have beenbadly overrated by the row.
Funny thing is the road record is better than the home record at the moment
The late September quitting you bring up bothered me immensely, because it showed there was something seriously wrong with the mental side of the team. Competitive players don’t quit, even when they’re out of it (look at Arizona since 2008). We’re seeing symptoms of the same thing now.
“As Tulo goes, so go the Rockies” is for some reason almost too true. Why is this? Does one guy really drag a whole team into and out of slumps?
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by RoarFrom112 on May 26, 2011 10:53 PM MDT up reply actions
No, and I personally have hated the "As Tulo goes, so go the Rockies" thing every since it started.
I just don’t think there is quite as much correlation as that implies.
Oh I think there's quite a correlation
In 2007, Tulo blazed onto the scene and helped lead the Rockies to the World Series.
In 2008, he spent much of the season on the DL and the Rox finished under .500
In 2009, Tulo had an OPS of just .691 in his first 52 game while the team went 20-32. In the last 110, he had an OPS of 1.035 and the team went 72-38.
Last year Tulo hit 14 HR’s in 15 games in September and the Rockies went 13-2 in that stretch. He then fell off and the team finished 1-13.
This year he hit 7 HR’s in the first 15 game, had an OPS of 1.322, and the team went 12-3. Since that time Tulo has an OPS of .593 and the Rockies are 12-20.
Tulo will get it going soon and when he does, I bet the Rockies start winning.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on May 26, 2011 11:09 PM MDT up reply actions
I know all the reasons people say it.
I just don’t think the amount of correlation is equal to the amount of causation.
I can see that
I still think it’s a pretty amazing correlation though
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on May 26, 2011 11:15 PM MDT up reply actions
That's why I ask "Why is this?"
The correlation is hard to deny, but it doesn’t make a lot of sense.
Yes, Tulo has a strong personality and a tremendous drive. Yes, he expects to win and is very hard on himself when he doesn’t perform well (and maybe hard on other people too — I don’t know) but can one guy really have that much influence? Is the correlation a fluke? There’s something strange there at any rate.
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by RoarFrom112 on May 26, 2011 11:15 PM MDT up reply actions
John Elway thinks so.
In mourning for Jorge's ulnar collateral ligament and lost season.
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by DAWNMARIE01 on May 26, 2011 11:16 PM MDT up reply actions
So, I'm trying to drown my sorrows
with Blue Moon Honey Summer Wheat and chocolate chips with walnuts.
It’s helping. A little.
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Cardinals coming to town tomorrow.
Good things happen when the Redbirds come to town. Cheer up.. :-)
by RockiesFreak on May 26, 2011 11:02 PM MDT up reply actions
Are you sure?
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That makes two of us, and I'm rather bummed...especially as I'll be blocks away from Coors at the time
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by Mondogarage on May 26, 2011 11:11 PM MDT up reply actions
We've been playing some hot teams lately. A lot.
Probably a bigger part of the train wreck than we think.
by BostonTransplant on May 26, 2011 11:10 PM MDT reply actions
Modesto scored 19 runs in today's game.
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Call them all up. Also, who’s their manager? Maybe we should hire him. Is he fiery?
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by Franchise26 on May 26, 2011 11:12 PM MDT up reply actions
There is blame to be passed around
Tracy should not be absolved – he has made some head scratching decisions at times this season. But it was DOD who sent the team North with Paulino, FrankieM, Lopez, and a DH.
by RoxandRoll on May 26, 2011 11:14 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
The DH has six dingers. Pretty much won us a game singlehandedly last week. Giambi ain’t the problem.
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by Franchise26 on May 26, 2011 11:15 PM MDT up reply actions
Not the problem
but really not the solution either. He is miscast as a late inning PH because he can not hit the mid to high 90’s fastball. He would have been a perfect play today vs the high 80’s crap Owings threw up there because he can still catch up with those pitches. He will probably be fine if he is started at DH vs the back end of AL rotations. But he has NO chance against the Brian Wilson and Heath Bells of the world.
But he has NO chance against the Brian Wilson and Heath Bells of the world.
I’d say he’s got a lot of company in that club.
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by Franchise26 on May 26, 2011 11:20 PM MDT up reply actions
You are not incorrect there
But that is his primary role with the team not spot starting for Helton. And it is a role that he no longer suceeds in.
I have no problem with either of those three players making the team out of the Spring...
… though I think Lopez should have been on the bench and Paulino should have been a long reliever only.
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by Greg Stanwood on May 26, 2011 11:19 PM MDT up reply actions
Matt Daley
earned a spot out of the pen this spring and he was farmed out because DOD would not come to grips with the Paulino mistake even as he was getting shelled by minor leaguers in the cactus league.
Paulino wasn’t THAT bad in the spring. Actually saved three games in three chances and seemed to be doing some pretty good work in relief. Really, if you want to talk about a guy who was atrocious in the spring and didn’t really earn his roster spot, it was Matt Reynolds… and how’s that going for the Rockies these days?
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by Franchise26 on May 26, 2011 11:23 PM MDT up reply actions
I, for one, don't blame him
Daley had options, Paulino didn’t. You can give both a shot, but only in one order. And that’s what they did. Spring results are not good predictors of regular season results for a whole slew of reasons.
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by RoarFrom112 on May 26, 2011 11:23 PM MDT up reply actions
Daley's Spring was better than Paulino's, yes.
Paulino’s was more than enough to earn him a shot, IMO. You don’t just up and take the players that had the best Springs along with you for the season.
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by Greg Stanwood on May 26, 2011 11:27 PM MDT up reply actions
OT: Did you guys see the post at AZSnakePit about Posey?
Talk about controversial
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Here you go
http://www.azsnakepit.com/2011/5/26/2191846/buster-posey-and-the-joy-of-schadenfreude#comments
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AZ is the Alabama of the West...no class.
Posey is a credit to the game, and I’d love to have him on our team. Imagine if we read the same crap about JDLR (since the Rox suck at the moment it’s not an issue).
by singlikebono on May 26, 2011 11:37 PM MDT up reply actions
Ah, this is what the spike in Purple Row referrals is about...
I’d like to point out a) I’d love to have Posey on our team as well, and b) whether he is a credit to the game or not is surely irrelevant. Unless you are saying it’d be ok to wish ill on him if he were, oh, Manny Ramirez, which seems a bit of a dubious morality there.
Whether you want to admit it or not, I’m pretty sure many Rockies fans had mixed emotions on the news as well. My piece is largely just an acknowledgment of that which lurks beneath the waters of most non-Giants fans.
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by Jim McLennan on May 26, 2011 11:47 PM MDT up reply actions
I'd like to think not
But going by certain comments, it appears some people think otherwise.
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by Jim McLennan on May 26, 2011 11:54 PM MDT up reply actions
There's a difference
between acknowledging that Buster Posey getting his ankle snapped in half on a clean play at the plate and “[giving] a little fist-pump[, b]ecause their team’s chances of dethroning the Giants as World Series champions just got a little bit better.” or calling “the future lack of Posey heartwarming.”
It’s not fist-pump-worthy. It’s certainly not heartwarming. It sucks. It sucks for the Giants, it definitely sucks for Buster Posey, and it sucks for anyone who calls themselves a fan of the game. There’s a difference between celebrating an opponent’s injury and analyzing what it means for your own team’s chances. That difference is class.
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by J_Stone on May 26, 2011 11:57 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
"Celebrating an opponent’s injury"?
You missed the part where I said “The injury is actually irrelevant,” and stated that any “satisfaction does not stem from Posey’s broken leg.”
It’s easier for people to read what they want to read.
"I'm confused."
"Yeah, well. It's a big club. We should get t-shirts."
by Jim McLennan on May 27, 2011 12:08 AM MDT up reply actions
You know, I read that part three times. I just disagree with it completely
It’s entirely relevant. In fact, it’s the core point. Tulo being 1-for-the-season against the D’backs is worth celebrating (for AZ fans) because it’s about the performance on the field. Tulo breaking his wrist last year or De La Rosa needing Tommy John surgery or Posey breaking his ankle is a sad thing for the game because it takes great players off the field and denies fans a chance to see the game at its best possible.
Fan to fan, I want my team to beat your team with everyone healthy all year. That way there are no excuses. But the baseball gods are cruel and this rarely, if ever, happens.
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by RoarFrom112 on May 27, 2011 12:17 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd x 1000
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Fan to fan, I want my team to beat your team with everyone healthy all year. That way there are no excuses. But the baseball gods are cruel and this rarely, if ever, happens.
Exactly. I agree completely with that. But the key question is would you rather your team lose to mine with everyone healthy, or beat them with mine a couple of players down? Ask yourself that, and I think most fans of most teams would, being honest, prefer the latter.
Put another way, if you’ve got a Col-SF series, and the random vagaries of scheduling mean you dodge Lincecum and Cain, do you really think “Damn, I wish we faced their best players so we can test our mettle”? I sincerely doubt it: more likely, “Phew, dodged a bullet there.”
"I'm confused."
"Yeah, well. It's a big club. We should get t-shirts."
by Jim McLennan on May 27, 2011 12:26 AM MDT up reply actions
The real baseball fan in me savors great pitching matchups... I always pulled for Marichal pre Roseboro against Koufax and Drysdale.
If you love the game and not just a team you live for the great face to face challenges. The great hitter that won’t give in to the great pitcher. The not so great player who steals the thunder from the big money star
Everybody loses when a star goes down except the guy who gets the chance to prove he belongs. Some stars are actually found that way. If a guy is an abso;ute jerk you might think Karma came and bit him. You just don’t celebrate anyone getting hurt..
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
Whether you want to admit it or not, I’m pretty sure many Rockies fans had mixed emotions on the news as well. My piece is largely just an acknowledgment of that which lurks beneath the waters of most non-Giants fans.
Please read the comments in today’s Rockpile.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on May 26, 2011 11:58 PM MDT up reply actions
Like these ones, found in a minute's casual browsing?
Posey being a great player for a rival team hurts the Rockies, Posey being injured for that rival team helps the Rockies, and I can’t help but look at the whole situation with the benefit it might have for the Rockies also included.
or
This injury, I hate to say it, could be an injury that keeps the Rockies in the division race
Like I said, mixed emotions.
"I'm confused."
"Yeah, well. It's a big club. We should get t-shirts."
by Jim McLennan on May 27, 2011 12:14 AM MDT up reply actions
Uh
There’s a HUGE difference between analizing what this means for the division going forward and this little celebratory nugget you wrote.
But, let’s be brutally honest. While on one level, it’s a terrible thing, there’s a dark corner of just about every non-Giant fan which woke up this morning, read that Posey could be out for the season and gave a little fist-pump.
If you honestly believe that every non-Giant fan was doing fist-pumps in some deranged part of their mind as they watched the gruesome sight of Posey’s ankle snap under the pressure of his own body just because it improved their chances of winning the division, then you sir need help. I’ll give you that some people certainly feel that way, but I’m also pretty sure that it’s the overwhelming minority.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on May 27, 2011 1:00 AM MDT up reply actions
Every non-Giant fan was doing fist-pumps in some deranged part of their mind as they watched the gruesome sight of Posey’s ankle snap under the pressure of his own body.
Never said anything of the sort. The quote you chose clearly shows I was describing the next morning, when rival fans were “analyzing what this means for the division” – and even here, were expressing the inescapable conclusion that their own team’s chances were brighter as a result of it.
That’s what triggers the “little fist-pump” – you conveniently edited out the next sentence, “Because their team’s chances of dethroning the Giants as World Series champions just got a little bit better.”
It is entirely possible to be saddened by the injury, yet not by the consequences of it. The two are completely separate.
"I'm confused."
"Yeah, well. It's a big club. We should get t-shirts."
by Jim McLennan on May 27, 2011 1:14 AM MDT up reply actions
Dumb post.
Even reading it without any cynicism, it has to be qualified out the wazoo. It would have said just as much to have merely written, “I’ll take the advantage this lends to my team, but I hope the kid well.”
Well I ended up going to the game. Late.
I know, I know, but my dad forgot what time it was and didn’t tell me he had tix.
I ran around the stadium with my siblings looking for the funnel cake. We found it, then I ran around the stadium again carrying nachos. I nearly ran Tracy Ringolsby over on the concourse. Then I spilled nacho cheese on my jersey. We got back to our section realizing we passed up the stand right by our section. Doink.
That was the highlight, obviously.
Like mentioned above, I just don’t know. I am very disheartened right now…I just…
/shakes head
I don’t know what the heck. What the heck. What the heck is wrong with our offense defense inability to rally big enough closer who gives up more home runs than walks- (seriously, I’d rather have the walks!) nearly whole team.
Right now I’m gonna go sulk myself to sleep. But tomorrow…I don’t even know.
We gotta start winning sometime, right?
Augh…jest…egad…
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by prettyinpurple on May 27, 2011 1:34 AM MDT up reply actions
Oooh - tell me more
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