Dodgers 8, Rockies 2: Macabre May Ends With Characteristic Thud
by Andrew T. Fisher on May 31, 2011 11:05 PM MDT
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The month of June commences in an hour in the Mountain Time Zone, and it couldn't come a second early. With tonight's loss, Colorado finished the month of May 8-21, their third worst month in franchise history. For a team that has finished above 4th place in just 9 of 19 seasons, that's quite the accomplishment.
Fan favorite overachievers Clayton Mortensen and Matt Daley turned into pumpkins at Dodger Stadium. Mortensen walked four, struck out nobody and got just five groundouts. Sinkerballers can survive and even thrive with very good control, but when the control wanders, he can become very hittable. For the game, the right-hander allowed four runs on five hits in four innings before being replaced by Matt Belisle.
Daley came into the game in the seventh with the Rockies down three and allowed two fly outs, two singles, and a 3-run home run that killed the Rockies' chances at a rally. The replacement for Felipe Paulino on the roster now has a 10.50 ERA (7 ER, 6 IP).
The offense was stagnant again. Chris Nelson started at third base, doubled, stole third and scored on a sac fly to second base. Ty Wigginton hit a solo home run. Ted Lilly struck out eight Rockies - five looking - and Don Mattingly dumped a pound of salt in the wounds of Rockies fans by sending out a fellow named de la Rosa to shut the Rockies down over the final two innings.
As noted by Eric Stephen, the Dodgers just won three consecutive games with 7+ runs for the first time since May 25-27, 2009. The final game of that stretch was Clint Hurdle's last as Rockies' manager.
As for silver linings, both the Giants and Diamondbacks lost tonight, so Colorado holds steady at 4.5 games behind in the NL West.
Comment of the Night
Lindsey Vonn should be an expert on the Rockies
She knows all about going downhill fast.
WPA Heroes
Chris Nelson (+.084): 1-for-2, 2B, SB, R.
Jonathan Herrera (+.026): 1-for-2.
Matt Belisle (+.018): 2.0 IP, 0 ER, 2 K, 1 H.
WPA Zeroes
Clayton Mortensen (-.312): 4.0 IP, 4 ER, 4 R, 5 H, 4 BB, 0 K, 1 HR. 0-for-0, sac fly, RBI.
Dexter Fowler (-.070): 0-for-4, 2 K.
Chris Iannetta (-.054): 0-for-3, K.
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Blehhhh.
I hope that Nicasio takes rains of a starter spot on Friday and never lets it go.
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by black_knight101 on May 31, 2011 11:06 PM MDT reply actions
reigns****
looks like it’s time for bed
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by black_knight101 on May 31, 2011 11:07 PM MDT up reply actions
some would say
blackknight
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on May 31, 2011 11:23 PM MDT up reply actions
I can see last place from here.
Can we lay off of Cargo and Tulo until their BABIP numbers get with 50 points of their career averages?
NO, we are NOT going to fire Jim Tracy midseason!!!!!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on May 31, 2011 11:07 PM MDT reply actions
Rockies:
“We tried that whole runners on base thing last night and it just didn’t work out, so we went back to the previous approach”
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Clearly the better approach...
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by RoarFrom112 on May 31, 2011 11:10 PM MDT up reply actions
Ah yes Centurion
You see, you spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball, and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time. ~Jim Bouton, Ball Four, 1970
Todd Helton Is A Ninja... NO Doubt
Silver lining
may’s over (probably won’t change anything)
by AbsenteeRoxFAn on May 31, 2011 11:11 PM MDT reply actions
Good News
In 48 minutes (1 hour 48 minutes in LA) we get to turn the calendar to June. The Rockies love June! Yay June!
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by RoarFrom112 on May 31, 2011 11:12 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
I think I'll stay up and drink a toast to it.
Like New New Year’s!
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It's a good plan :-)
at least toasting June in the Mountain Time Zone. I have to work tomorrow and 2yo hasn’t been sleeping well so being awake at midnight in the Pacific time zone wouldn’t be too smart.
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by RoarFrom112 on May 31, 2011 11:25 PM MDT up reply actions
I liked talking about Lindsey Vaughn and Ejection Seats for helicopters better !
You see, you spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball, and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time. ~Jim Bouton, Ball Four, 1970
Todd Helton Is A Ninja... NO Doubt
Yeah. And people get on Root sports for getting away from the game
tonight it was pretty much a welcome relief, wasn’t it?
Except the whole “Tulo’s been doing well” part.
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by RoarFrom112 on May 31, 2011 11:15 PM MDT up reply actions
how could you write a game wrap and not mention lindsay vonn?
far and away the most interesting that happened.
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee
ah.
very good sir.
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee
Yeah it's in there
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on May 31, 2011 11:16 PM MDT up reply actions
What the hell is going on?
Wasn’t this the team that had wildly high expectations before the season and now we just decide not to show up every game? Excuse my ignorance, since I certainly don’t follow the Rockies as closely as many of the people here, but does anybody know the precise reason why we suck so bad right now, or are we just underachieving?
Hyperboles kill.
There is no such thing as a "George Karl fan;" there are Karl apologists, and those who realize he should be fired.
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one word (that's actually an acronym):
BABIP
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee
Tonight was bad in that regard.
But seemed to be worse (at least for some players) tonight than previously.
two words:
angel hernandez
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee
doesnt mean he's not a terrible person
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee
He's definitely a terrible ump
But good teams adjust to terrible umps.
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by Michelle Hoag on Jun 1, 2011 6:49 AM MDT up reply actions
Some umps you can't adjust too if they are inconsistent
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He's terrible, but he wasn't the problem tonight
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Jun 1, 2011 7:16 AM MDT up reply actions
Tonight?
Did you get stuck in May Fisher? We’ll have to send out a rescue party to get you out of that dark, dark place. :-)
Can we lay off of Cargo and Tulo until their BABIP numbers get with 50 points of their career averages?
NO, we are NOT going to fire Jim Tracy midseason!!!!!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 1, 2011 7:19 AM MDT up reply actions
I've been so messed up lately
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Jun 1, 2011 7:42 AM MDT up reply actions
Couldn't agree more.
Tulo’s first K where he had words with Blue was way too close to be taking. I don’t get the lack of fundamentals this team exhibits with two strike hitting.
Both, IMHO.
We’re not as good as we thought we were, but it’s exaggerated by a hot steaming bucket of underachieving fail, making it sting that much worse.
We're underachieving BIG TIME
A combination of awful luck and poor execution.
You just can’t predict baseball.
Can we lay off of Cargo and Tulo until their BABIP numbers get with 50 points of their career averages?
NO, we are NOT going to fire Jim Tracy midseason!!!!!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on May 31, 2011 11:19 PM MDT up reply actions
I notice there are a lot of sigs around here regarding the firing of Jim Tracy
Some seem to be for it, some against it (you), but is this a hot topic amongst the fans? Is firing Tracy really going to solve all of our problems?
Hyperboles kill.
There is no such thing as a "George Karl fan;" there are Karl apologists, and those who realize he should be fired.
http://twitter.com/#!/24kGoldenChild
by GoldenNugget on May 31, 2011 11:23 PM MDT up reply actions
he is not going anywhere
You see, you spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball, and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time. ~Jim Bouton, Ball Four, 1970
Todd Helton Is A Ninja... NO Doubt
I agree, but...
should he? Does he deserve to be fired?
Hyperboles kill.
There is no such thing as a "George Karl fan;" there are Karl apologists, and those who realize he should be fired.
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by GoldenNugget on May 31, 2011 11:26 PM MDT up reply actions
No
He has the best record on any manager in Rockies history.
Can we lay off of Cargo and Tulo until their BABIP numbers get with 50 points of their career averages?
NO, we are NOT going to fire Jim Tracy midseason!!!!!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on May 31, 2011 11:29 PM MDT up reply actions
on of
Can we lay off of Cargo and Tulo until their BABIP numbers get with 50 points of their career averages?
NO, we are NOT going to fire Jim Tracy midseason!!!!!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on May 31, 2011 11:30 PM MDT up reply actions
With arguably the most talented roster
any Rockies manager has ever had
May be time to get Tim Tebow some reps at 3rd base, Chris Nelson is Free!!!
Tired of the over-managing and poor play? Fire Jim Tracy!
I guess my deal with coaches in all sports has always been
how much they get out of the talent they have. If you have tons of talent, and you win with that talent, then you’re doing what you’re supposed to be doing and your coaching methods are obviously working. On the other hand, if you have tons of talent and you aren’t winning games, then your methods obviously aren’t working and you’re not doing a good job coaching.
Obviously I don’t know what the case is with the Rockies since I’m asking everyone’s opinion here, but I do know this: We have enough talent to be winning games, certainly more than we are now.
Hyperboles kill.
There is no such thing as a "George Karl fan;" there are Karl apologists, and those who realize he should be fired.
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by GoldenNugget on May 31, 2011 11:30 PM MDT up reply actions
I don't think you can judge baseball managing
the same way you can judge football or basketball coaches. Football and basketball both depend on schemes to one degree or another. A coach can have a much more direct impact than in baseball.
by holly96 on May 31, 2011 11:33 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Someone once said
that the difference in strategy is that in baseball every team has the same playbook and therefore everyone knows all the plays. It’s all about calling the right play at the right time and executing it properly.
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by RoarFrom112 on May 31, 2011 11:35 PM MDT up reply actions
Sure worked with Clint Hurdle
May be time to get Tim Tebow some reps at 3rd base, Chris Nelson is Free!!!
Tired of the over-managing and poor play? Fire Jim Tracy!
Clint Hurdle was a different Situation
Management forced him to Hire Baylor and Tracy that season, so there was someone to go to when they canned his ass…. There is no one right now better then Tracy.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
Can't know that unless he is replaced
I’m not saying it is a definite fix, but if this team is still tanking by the end of June then what harm could it possibly do?
May be time to get Tim Tebow some reps at 3rd base, Chris Nelson is Free!!!
Tired of the over-managing and poor play? Fire Jim Tracy!
We could lose a manager who is 2 years removed from being
Manager of the year, and in return we could get a guy that is currently managing the last place Sky Sox, thus kissing any hope of doing anything this season good bye
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
That manager of the year award means nothing to me.
To this day I believe it was more about Hurdle being gone then Tracy being a good manager. The guy is not irreplacable, he is a .500 career manager.
May be time to get Tim Tebow some reps at 3rd base, Chris Nelson is Free!!!
Tired of the over-managing and poor play? Fire Jim Tracy!
the who do you replace him with
give me a realistic option that would be better than Tracy…. no one seems to be able to answer this question.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
see my sig
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee
just because we dont know doesnt mean there's not necessarily someone better
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee
so what you are saying
is you don’t know who is going to replace Tracy, he could be a bum off the street, as long as Tracy is gone.
Wonderful… makes since. Once again, I wonder why the Monforts haven’t hired you.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
They could hire me...
I’m from the Don Zimmer school of managing!
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
it would at least be funny having a hobo manage a baseball team
this is just depressing
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee
But you can't just assume that
There’s a cost in making any move, and you have to compare the cost with the objectively projected benefits.
In other words, would a hypothetical managerial change benefit the winning% enough to outweigh the potential upheaval in the clubhouse, the additional cost of a new manager’s contract, etc. I don’t think the Broncos like paying for 3 head coaches when only one is actually doing any coaching.
Rocktober is not a time of year, it is a religion.
Yeah
because the old closer by committee has produced a bunch of teams that have gone deep into the playoffs recently.
Can we lay off of Cargo and Tulo until their BABIP numbers get with 50 points of their career averages?
NO, we are NOT going to fire Jim Tracy midseason!!!!!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on May 31, 2011 11:46 PM MDT up reply actions
there is literally no proof that it would not work
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee
There's significant proof that closers/saves are overrated
Rocktober is not a time of year, it is a religion.
RIRF equated the two idealogies, criticizing one as if it were the other
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee
I only brought it up because you asked me to read your sig
Now you can read mine.
Can we lay off of Cargo and Tulo until their BABIP numbers get with 50 points of their career averages?
NO, we are NOT going to fire Jim Tracy midseason!!!!!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on May 31, 2011 11:53 PM MDT up reply actions
If everyone took this approach
No team with a losing record would have the same manager they did on opening day.
Can we lay off of Cargo and Tulo until their BABIP numbers get with 50 points of their career averages?
NO, we are NOT going to fire Jim Tracy midseason!!!!!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on May 31, 2011 11:52 PM MDT up reply actions
how many teams, in any given month, go 8-21?
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee
Very few
But that statement does not prove Tracy is at fault in any way, shape or form.
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on May 31, 2011 11:53 PM MDT up reply actions
and just as much as it does not, more in my opinion, does it prove he has nothing to do with it
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee
Nope
but the burden of proof is on you to say it’s Tracy’s fault.
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on May 31, 2011 11:55 PM MDT up reply actions
i believe the results speak more against him than for him, but that's just me
and i really hope i’m wrong and we go like 30-0 in june
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee
Well, I don't think anyone would argue the results are arguing for him
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Jun 1, 2011 12:04 AM MDT up reply actions
My only arguement with Tracy really is how he runs the bullpen. I'm not a Weavrer disciple on that.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
I didn't realize we are basing this decision on one month of baseball
Good thing the Red Sox get hot the last week of April or else they would have had to fire Francona too.
Can we lay off of Cargo and Tulo until their BABIP numbers get with 50 points of their career averages?
NO, we are NOT going to fire Jim Tracy midseason!!!!!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on May 31, 2011 11:55 PM MDT up reply actions
terry francona has even more religious of a following amongst red sux fans than tracy seems to around here...
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee
So what?
The Sox were like 2-12. And it shouldn’t matter that Francona managed the Sawx to their only WS wins in 100 years. 2-12 is a firing offense, amirite?
Of course that sounds silly.
No sillier than the argument to can Tracy with absolutely no follow on plan whatsoever.
"We have done everything possible to be set for this day, for this season. It's time to go. We are ready. I can promise you that." - CarGo
Who objectively knows what makes a "better" manager anyway
I’d put down my last dollar that managers impact less than 1% of any team’s final W-L record.
Rocktober is not a time of year, it is a religion.
So you'd put down your last dollar on something that you believe cannot be objectively proven?
Have you considered running for public office? :-)
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by RoarFrom112 on May 31, 2011 11:47 PM MDT up reply actions
Wow I just twisted myself into quite the logicall knot there
Rocktober is not a time of year, it is a religion.
So wait
He gets no credit for when the team plays well but takes the ax when it fails?
Can we lay off of Cargo and Tulo until their BABIP numbers get with 50 points of their career averages?
NO, we are NOT going to fire Jim Tracy midseason!!!!!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on May 31, 2011 11:44 PM MDT up reply actions
What - have you only been following sports for two months?
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on May 31, 2011 11:45 PM MDT up reply actions
Apparently
Can we lay off of Cargo and Tulo until their BABIP numbers get with 50 points of their career averages?
NO, we are NOT going to fire Jim Tracy midseason!!!!!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on May 31, 2011 11:45 PM MDT up reply actions
consistent lineups
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee
Maybe Herrera
That’s about it
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on May 31, 2011 11:56 PM MDT up reply actions
Yep.
And even then, they wanted to insert EY2 to see if he could give the team a spark, and 2B happens to be the position EY plays the best (or least bad).
I want EY2 to have success: I don't think he'll sustain any better than Jon.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
Stewart and Lopez to name two
The only guy I wanted gone was Paulino, and in retrospect, he had a 3.36 xFIP with the Rockies and was bound to regress.
paulino has never been able to match results with periphs
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee
in his entire career:
5.82/4.49/4.17 ERA/FIP/xFIP
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee
in his entire career:
225 IP
Look at the first 225 IP of some All-Stars and you’ll see some pretty ugly stuff
Rocktober is not a time of year, it is a religion.
most of his success was as a starter, and for whatever reason teams arent using him in that role
as a reliever, he is bad… he had some good stints in the minors as a starter
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee
He's had bad results as a reliever
In a very small sample size.
Rocktober is not a time of year, it is a religion.
I know we're probably not going to agree on this but I see Paulino as a guy who just can't handle a big spot in a game.
He pitches far better when there’s nothing on the line.
Can we lay off of Cargo and Tulo until their BABIP numbers get with 50 points of their career averages?
NO, we are NOT going to fire Jim Tracy midseason!!!!!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 1, 2011 12:12 AM MDT up reply actions
exactly
SSS aside, i really do believe paulino cannot cut it as a reliever; his control issues become severely more problematic
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee
I think he's miscast as a reliever.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
The only real numbers I can put on this is his -5.05 WPA in just 227 career innings
That’s amazingly bad.
Can we lay off of Cargo and Tulo until their BABIP numbers get with 50 points of their career averages?
NO, we are NOT going to fire Jim Tracy midseason!!!!!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 1, 2011 12:17 AM MDT up reply actions
Stewart looked absolutely atrocious at the plate.
It’s not like his approach was good and he just wasn’t getting results. If the team was winning despite him, they may have been able to give him more time. But they weren’t, and he happens to have an option. I’m not going to complain about that.
I somewhat agree on Lopez, but I can also see why they may have decided to pull the trigger, in order to give Wiggy more time at 3B and bring up guys in AAA who were performing there.
stewart shouldnt even have been on the team opening day
he had virtually no spring training time, he should have been in CSP
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee
I 100% agree with this
Now, though, it seems like Stewart’s gone, never to see the light of day again, which would really be a shame.
I don't get the sense that's the case at all.
Just that he has a lot of improving to do, plus is on the DL right now (I believe—he at least was for awhile).
if we make a decent trade, i would bet that stewart is sent away
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee
I personally wouldn't bet on the Rockies trading low
They don’t do that until they have literally no more time left to wait
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Jun 1, 2011 12:05 AM MDT up reply actions
Or they have totally given up on someone.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
But even then, he is almost done with a contract before they do that
Lopez is about the furthest from being a free agent I remember them giving up on someone.
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Jun 1, 2011 7:18 AM MDT up reply actions
Several pitchers come to mind.
But they do tend to hang on to position players longer. I think Charlie Monfort is getting impatient.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
He tried that earlier in May.
Didn’t help. Consistent lineups are great when guys are hitting. When they’re not, suddenly fans start screaming for other guys to play.
His lineups were incredibly consistent until May
Then he started trying things because the offense was going in the toilet.
Everyone was clamoring for changes. He made some. I don’t see the issue
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by Andrew T. Fisher on May 31, 2011 11:52 PM MDT up reply actions
its an example of what tracy did in 09 that he's not doing now is all
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee
You totally missed the point
He DID do it. And it wasn’t working, and all fans wanted changes.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on May 31, 2011 11:54 PM MDT up reply actions
You can only plug in the parts you have.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
That's the issue
He hasn’t had a very good lineup to field.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on May 31, 2011 11:54 PM MDT up reply actions
Have I not had a consistant Issue with Roster construction?
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
Win
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by hjrrockies on May 31, 2011 11:51 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
One thing Tracy isn't doing right
is calling “do-overs” after they lose. You can’t just let the games get away from you like that.
If they are still tanking
at the end of June, hope for this season may already have been kissed good bye!
Kmart the protector
a lot.
it means you are bailing on your team.
sorry homie, you just cant do it….unless you want to scream “REBUILDING” to the players and fans.
No it doesn't
means you are trying to find a spark. Everyone knows this team is talented and is in no way shape or form rebuilding.
May be time to get Tim Tebow some reps at 3rd base, Chris Nelson is Free!!!
Tired of the over-managing and poor play? Fire Jim Tracy!
it didnt scream rebuilding when we got rid of tracy, and 2009 had way lower expectations than 11 does
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee
I haven't heard it mentioned much outside PR really
I did have a funny random thought while watching the game tonight and maybe I’ll air it out here: It’s said that Clint Hurdle lost control of the clubhouse and had to go. Is it possible that Tracy never actually had control of it but is just so non-confrontational that it looks like he did and the reality is that a team of mostly young guys “lead” by Tulo is running the show?
Completely crazy thought, right? Nothing to it but frustration at a bad bad 6-week tailspin?
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by RoarFrom112 on May 31, 2011 11:29 PM MDT up reply actions
I would find it hard to believe that athletes at this level, on this team,
wouldn’t put forth their best effort. And if someone isn’t coachable, it wouldn’t matter who his manager is.
Just to be clear, I don't for a second question effort
in fact, I think a good part of the problem is in a sense too much effort. Everyone trying to be “the spark”, everyone trying hard to figure the thing out. Everyone trying to win the game on this at-bat. It’s hard to blame them, but the coach’s job is to somehow channel that.
If they really were uncoachable though, is having success right after an “oppressive” manager left all that odd? Again, this is really just exploring what I think is probably a crazy thought, but it’s interesting.
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by RoarFrom112 on May 31, 2011 11:54 PM MDT up reply actions
I hear you.
That’s the thing, though. I’m convinced talent (or lack thereof) accounts for 99% of any team’s success (or lack thereof).
I think we've reached this same disagreement before, haven't we?
I think Yogi was misunderestimating when he said 90% of the game is half mental. It’s more than that.
No disrespect intended, but I really really hope you’re wrong about it because the way the team is built right now there’s not a lot of opportunity to dramatically improve the raw talent for at least several years and we’ll have a lot of mediocrity to look forward to.
Sure, everyone would love to field a team of 15-20 all-stars but it’s possible to win smart baseball with good talent mixed with a little bit of great, and unless you’re one of a few very elite teams (Yankees, Red Sox in the late 2000s, Angels in the early 80’s, etc) that’s the only practical way to do it.
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That would certainly explain
why Tulo’s struggles have bled out into everybody else. He really isn’t being a leader right now, either in his playing or in his attitude. He gets down in the dumps so easily and can’t put the blues aside long enough to go out and actually hit. He’s his own worst enemy and I think he needs to make a mental shift before we can count on anyone else to.
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by Michelle Hoag on Jun 1, 2011 6:53 AM MDT up reply actions
What evidence do you have the Tulo is down in the dumps while with his teammates?
He’s hard on himself but that doesn’t mean it infects the clubhouse or his teammates.
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It's not so much the evidence
as it is the knowledge that he is the leader in that clubhouse. I don’t know how he leads in situations like this, and I don’t claim to know exactly how he’s affecting them. I just think that the way leadership works, a leader must make a change himself before he can expect those he’s leading to follow. I realize it’s not that cut and dry, but I really believe if we saw him go out every day with a winning attitude, the rest of the team would soon follow.
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by Michelle Hoag on Jun 1, 2011 11:52 AM MDT up reply actions
I take real issue with saying that Tulo doesn't go out with a winning attitude every day.
He’s the LEAST likely player on the team to not have a winning attitude. He brings the defense every game. I just don’t see where you get the idea that Tulo doesn’t have a winning attitude.
This boggles my mind to be honest.
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by SDcat09 on Jun 1, 2011 12:18 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
When I say winning attitude
I don’t mean going out every day thinking you HAVE to win, which is what I see in Tulo. He believes that he should hit every game and his team should win every day. There isn’t anything wrong with that attitude, but it’s different from thinking ok, if we’re going to win, what will that take. His anxiety is palpable, you can practically see him grinding the bat to dust with his hands. It’s too much pressure. I want him to stop caring so much about winning and start thinking that he CAN win. I realize that might sound like splitting hairs the way I’ve explained it, so if we’re still in disagreement, that’s all right with me.
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by Michelle Hoag on Jun 1, 2011 8:27 PM MDT up reply actions
If you know (and not just have a guess like the rest of us), call up the Rockies front office
I’m sure they’d love to know.
To me it has to be a mental thing, combined with a bit of bad luck. It’s pressing, wrong approaches, and just not coming through when you have a chance. After 6 weeks of discussing this to death that’s the best I can give you.
I haven’t been around baseball as long as some here, but I’ve followed the game fairly intensely for about 15 years and casually longer than that and I have never seen a team with this level of expectations perform this badly … except the 2010 Rockies in late September. Truly an amazing thing.
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by RoarFrom112 on May 31, 2011 11:20 PM MDT up reply actions
Is anyone else annoyed
with the Root Sports upcoming series commercials? They are always like, “don’t worry the Rockies are gonna kick this team’s butt” and yet we have been playing like crap for well over a month. Seems like a bad time to be constantly running commercials dripping with over confidence.
May be time to get Tim Tebow some reps at 3rd base, Chris Nelson is Free!!!
Tired of the over-managing and poor play? Fire Jim Tracy!
they should make comically negative commercials
in the vein of eyore, from winnie the pooh
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee
I don't want them to be negative either
but it seems kinda ridiculous to be so over the top. How about something funny or witty instead? At least as witty as Root can manage….
May be time to get Tim Tebow some reps at 3rd base, Chris Nelson is Free!!!
Tired of the over-managing and poor play? Fire Jim Tracy!
I LOL'd thinking about this
“Next week we’re playing the Giants. We’ll probably lost. Brian Wilson will probably act like an ass. Oh well.”
I'm not sure what else they're supposed to do.
They can’t just not run promos. And they also can’t just say, “come watch the Rockies suck!”
I would love it if they did that
I know they can’t and never would but it would be hilarious – not to mention that Root Sports is almost always wrong anyway so maybe things would turn around.
Can we lay off of Cargo and Tulo until their BABIP numbers get with 50 points of their career averages?
NO, we are NOT going to fire Jim Tracy midseason!!!!!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on May 31, 2011 11:27 PM MDT up reply actions
i think this blog got more fun tonight.
because we all stopped taking baseball so seriously (as serious) and realize that sometimes this game can be a joke, hot damn it is good. and generally it a joke at least 4/6ths of the season (at best).
we watch a lot of failure. think of what else in your life you’ll tolerate 4/6ths failure. only then can you describle how freaking good the 2/6ths feels. and how freaking cool baseball is.
by roxintober on May 31, 2011 11:19 PM MDT reply actions 2 recs
This was a good post.
I would recommend it to my friends.
i'm going to go play mlb2k11
lead the rockies to world series win after world series win…
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee
That game depresses me to no end
I’m in August, Ubaldo is 14-3 with a sub-2.00 ERA, Aaron Cook is 12-4, Franklin Morales has a 1.93 ERA, and Ian Stewart is winning the triple crown.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on May 31, 2011 11:25 PM MDT up reply actions
Otherwised known as
why The Show >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mlb2k11
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
Buy me a PS3
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by Andrew T. Fisher on May 31, 2011 11:30 PM MDT up reply actions
go back in time and buy one instead of a crapBox
What is with America today… always thinking that my Tax dollars should be used to buy them something in order to bail them out from poor life choices.
Andrew, your since of entitlement sucks.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
Yeah, I don't keep track of these things anymore.
I would if there was a game that was pure manager sim. I don’t care about gameplay and graphics.
Just get a bunch of people to criticize every decision you make
and have people shove a microphone and TV camera in your face every time you have a bad day. Perfect MLB manager sim. :-)
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by RoarFrom112 on May 31, 2011 11:42 PM MDT up reply actions
I need to see Herrera back in the lineup
Calling EY2 a “sparkplug” is an insult to top-of-the-order hitters who actually get on base.
Rocktober is not a time of year, it is a religion.
I think Jon needed a step back...
In the long run I think Jon and EY2 will platoon.
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"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
Or what we all thought would happen before the season is playing out
and we’ll have a fluid infield, rotating between utility/1B/2B/3B and between MLB/AAA as players get hot and cold. Nothing really wrong with it per se.
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Check it out!
Wed Jun 1 00:08:26 MDT 2011
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It's June!
Temperatures will be near 90 in Denver. Rockies will score enough runs to get tacos! Yay June!
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Rockies in warm weather...
…they play good, right? I’ve been reading this everywhere and I’ve heard Drew Goodman mention it every five seconds.
But what happens in October when it’s cold again? Do the Rockies stop hitting? I don’t think one can blame the lack of offense on the weather.
worst....month....ever
LETS GO RED WINGS!
2011 will be the year....better be....
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I just titled my blog post that
But I promise I didn’t steal it from you. We were just independently brilliant I guess.
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by Michelle Hoag on Jun 1, 2011 6:55 AM MDT up reply actions
I understand the BABIP talk
and it has some merit to it…but part of baseball is being able to hit theball where the fielders aren’t. Finding the gaps in the outfield….and quite frankly we aren’t doing that right now. Part of it is luck, but I tend to believe that a big part of it is execution and under performing.
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OMGWTFBBQ!!!
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