Is Jose Morales On the Trading Block?
After last night's 9-7 victory over the Dodgers, Jim Armstrong had some notes on the game, like Cargo calling the big come-from-behind win and Tulo crushing it out there.
But the most interesting news is that the Rockies have been talking with other clubs about backup catcher Jose Morales.
One of the many concerns entering 2011 was the catching situation: would Chris Iannetta take the reins and hold the catching job, or would Morales become the platoon partner and eventually the starter?
Some may hate the .231 batting average Iannetta has posted thus far, but the 8 bombs, .380 OBP, and .836 OPS are kind of hard to be down on. Oh, and his 2nd-in-the-majors 2.0 fWAR, including positive fielding, batting, and baserunning. The job is his, and he likely won't be losing it any time soon. The days off he's getting are either just normal Rockies Catcher rest or, as in the case of Thursday's game, just a battery matchup. They seem much less "punishment" and more just "take the day off man. You're doing great, let's get Jose another start in here".
What surprises me is that teams are interested in Morales. We haven't seen any problems with Jose's game calling, but his bat is seriously lacking. While Morales may be just a shade below Iannetta's batting average at .226, his .582 OPS leaves a lot to be desired, even as far as a backup catcher goes. We saw flashes of success in Minnesota, but they have yet to translate to the NL West.
Fact is though, if teams are interested in Morales, there's not an awful lot of attachment to him. It's nice to have a switch-hitting catcher, but if the Rockies can get some value in trade out of Morales, I don't doubt that Matt Pagnozzi or Eliezer Alfonzo could come up and fill the role to the same capacity in the meantime.
Pagnozzi hasn't done much to impress in the Springs thus far, sporting a mere .742 OPS. Prospect Jordan Pacheco hasn't really done much of anything, either, batting a measly .270/.339/.338 in an incredibly hitter-friendly environment.
Should the Rockies move Morales for whatever reason, Alfonzo is making a case for himself, batting .319/.360/.766 over 16 games and 50PA in the Springs.
Should this move take place or not, it's not really the most critical thing to worry about in the 2011 season. I haven't HATED Morales this season, but I haven't exactly liked him either. I kind of "nothing" him. He's a competent catcher, we haven't seen any major snafus out of him, and he belongs in the majors, somewhere.
Chris Snyder Could Miss Rest Of Season - Bucs Dugout
Given the fact that the Pirates have lost Chris Snyder for possibly the entire season to surgery on a herniated disc in his back, and Ryan Doumit for at least another month with a fractured ankle, they could be players for Morales.
The Angels have been suffering through Hank Conger (82 wRC+), Bobby Wilson (69 wRC+) and Jeff Mathis (36 wRC+) this season, and might be looking for some fresh blood.
John Jaso (88 wRC+) and Kelly Shoppach (39 wRC+) haven't been doing much for the Rays, either, so they might be part of it as well.
The Astros has been waiting for years for JR Towles (81 wRC+) to really step up and be the catcher he's capable of, and Humbert Quintero (67 wRC+) hasn't done much of anything this season either.
The list goes on, but again, if there's interest in Morales, and decent, useful value coming back to the Rockies, I wouldn't be terribly upset if Morales was moved.
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I haven’t HATED Morales this season, but I haven’t exactly liked him either. I kind of “nothing” him. He’s a competent catcher, we haven’t seen any major snafus out of him, and he belongs in the majors, somewhere.
Pretty much how I feel about Morales. I haven’t been impressed with him at all, defensively OR offensively. We got him for his bat supposedly, but he just hasn’t hit worth a crap. But the question is, who do we bring up in place of him?
I’m not really buying it.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jun 10, 2011 12:11 PM MDT reply actions
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jun 10, 2011 12:13 PM MDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
exactly what I was about to say
the problem with this titanic is that I can’t figure out what would stop the water coming in
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I haven't hated Morales
although his last two starts have had a couple very costly defensive glitches that have at least made me notice where the trailhead heading that direction is…
So, from the breakdown of possible destinations, we’re choosing between McCutchen, Jered Weaver, Longoria or Pence as our return for JoMo? I’ll have to think on that about, but Longoria seems like he fills the greatest need….
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"although his last two starts have had a couple very costly defensive glitches"
Amusing considering the reason he played yesterday was Iannetta’s defensive problems the previous game.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jun 10, 2011 12:20 PM MDT up reply actions
Interesting
considering Andrew cites “battery matchup” as the reason Morales was starting last night.
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by Junction Rox on Jun 10, 2011 12:27 PM MDT up reply actions
Armstrong from yesterday
Also mentioned by Tracy on the pre-game show.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jun 10, 2011 12:30 PM MDT up reply actions
"Tough day at the yard" covers a lot of ground
Yes, Iannetta had a PB Wednesday. He was also 0-4 with 3 k’s, which I’m guessing had just as much to do with Morales playing last night as anything Chris did defensively.
None of which changes the fact that Morales had a shot at taking a throw and making a tag that would have prevented both Padres runs on Wednesday and had that utter and complete abomination of a play where he turned a bunt where he had no play into a 2 run triple last night. Both worse than anything I saw defensively behind the plate Wednesday.
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by Junction Rox on Jun 10, 2011 12:37 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah. I'm not saying it was just defensively.
But it contributed, as it was what was mentioned specifically by Tracy.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jun 10, 2011 12:51 PM MDT up reply actions
Still, it doesn't change the fact that Morales had some very bad moments
which is all I was really saying. Other than those couple plays, I’ve been ok with him as a backup, but certainly not to the point that I think we shouldn’t explore what he might be worth to others.
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by Junction Rox on Jun 10, 2011 1:12 PM MDT up reply actions
Well not quite a 2-run triple
But he did turn a bunt single into an RBI double, and it was a very stupid play.
Spilly was the skillet glove who turned an RBI double into a two-run triple, which neither the game announcers or the offical scorer seemed to notice.
by Northsider1964 on Jun 10, 2011 1:28 PM MDT up reply actions
Fair point
Still, Spilly’s skillet glover really shouldn’t have ever come into play on a bunt 60 feet down the first base line, especially not with Kid Flash running….
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by Junction Rox on Jun 10, 2011 1:31 PM MDT up reply actions
Does this mean it's almost Paco time?
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jun 10, 2011 12:16 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
Sounds like maybe Fonzie time?
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by Junction Rox on Jun 10, 2011 12:16 PM MDT up reply actions
Rooooooooosssssssario?
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by waterboy31321 on Jun 10, 2011 12:41 PM MDT up reply actions
CargO TulO UbbaldO and WilRO?
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by waterboy31321 on Jun 10, 2011 12:42 PM MDT up reply actions
no.
Prospect Jordan Pacheco hasn’t really done much of anything, either, batting a measly .270/.339/.338 in an incredibly hitter-friendly environment.
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by Andrew Martin on Jun 10, 2011 1:09 PM MDT up reply actions
very surprising, considering all the love he was getting after spring training
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by Andrew Martin on Jun 10, 2011 5:25 PM MDT up reply actions
I still say Longoria is the best option.
If the bucs want Morales they have to give us more than McCutchen. Maybe Tallion? or if hes too pricey I might settle for Neil Wlaker
Alvarez? We do still have that 3B situation....
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by Junction Rox on Jun 10, 2011 12:27 PM MDT up reply actions
Could you imagine the Gonzales/McCutchen/Blackmon outfield though?
Balls would never touch the ground.
by DumbAndNerdy on Jun 10, 2011 12:36 PM MDT up reply actions
What are we talking about getting in return?
He’s cheap but will be getting more expensive in the next couple years. I’d trade him, but not give him away.
His value isn't any better than it was this offseason
When we traded our 2009 13th rounder for him
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jun 10, 2011 12:32 PM MDT up reply actions
Is there any team that might trade a left-handed starting pitcher for a catcher?
An all-right-handed rotation might be a disadvantage in playoffs, at least against a team like the Rockies that has a lot of left-handed hitters.
(I swore not to think about playoffs until the Rockies got above .500, but last night made me unreasonably happy.)
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Probably not going to happen
Unless the LHP you’re talking about is Mark Redman.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Jun 10, 2011 3:14 PM MDT up reply actions
Stop holding on to guys
In all seriousness though why do we have Rogers, EY2, Nelson, Fowler, Stewart, Morales, Spillborgs, Daley, Reynolds. I could see some but ALL of them? There is a reason the rockies tend to dissapoint. We rely on young players who are talented but never perform, and always expect them to live up to their expectations. Stop waiting! If we had traded Hawpe, Francis, Atkins, or Cook before all their value was diminished we could have more legitimate talent at our disposal. I recall reading that we balked at EY2 and Lopez for Michael Young. Young could be at 3B right now. We would give up two spare parts (one we released) for talent. Don’t wait to long on selling genRation X Rockies! How about the core of GEN X for Liriano and Kubel? Maybe I’m not realistic but there are only 10 or so guys on this team that need to stay. O’Dowd……. Work some magic
Hawpe saw his value diminish very suddenly.
Atkins’ diminished over time but it went as low as it did rather suddenly. Francis was worth holding onto through the injury and Cook still has value potential now.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jun 10, 2011 12:33 PM MDT up reply actions
None of those guys have the trade value Hawpe, Francis, Atkins or Cook had
Fowler, Rogers and Spilborghs have some value, but not that would improve the big league roster much.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jun 10, 2011 12:33 PM MDT up reply actions
Obviously none that those had
I think a Fowler, Rogers, Stewart, Spilly, EY2 type of package. Especially with a prospect like Wheeler or even more like Hector Gomez. Could get some real talent. Like maybe Josh Willingham or Liriano. Obviously this is just my opinion I could be WAY off base here and hope I am. I just have a gut feeling that the Rockies need a change.
I'm a fan of Willingham
But if we trade those six guys for him, I’d shoot myself
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jun 10, 2011 12:38 PM MDT up reply actions
I wan't saying all six guys
I meant a package with some of them. But I see your point. I guess I’m just annoyed that almost all of the rockies are performing significantly below expectations
Aren't we all
It’s pretty annoying.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jun 10, 2011 1:00 PM MDT up reply actions
yeah, trading for francisco "DL"liriano would be a pretty bad idea
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by Andrew Martin on Jun 10, 2011 3:21 PM MDT up reply actions
alan johnson
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by Andrew Martin on Jun 10, 2011 5:26 PM MDT up reply actions
You know who could use Jose Morales?
The Giants
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The Rockies couldn't be any more offensive or less offensive all at the same time.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 10, 2011 12:36 PM MDT reply actions
That's the right question
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jun 10, 2011 12:39 PM MDT up reply actions
Oh I'm not thinking we can get value from him
I just think it’s funny that adding Jose Morales would help the Giants
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 10, 2011 12:40 PM MDT up reply actions
I think
the Giants are looking for a semi-everyday catcher, which Morales probably is not. But Morales could be dealt to whatever team makes that deal with the Giants, because they would probably have need for a backup at that point.
by Northsider1964 on Jun 10, 2011 12:52 PM MDT up reply actions
Because Paulino Morales and Lopez
we are allin the middle of an epic fail….
Jose Morales is not in the middle of an epic fail
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by waterboy31321 on Jun 10, 2011 12:41 PM MDT up reply actions
Franklin Morales was not in the middle of an epic fail (at the time).
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by Greg Stanwood on Jun 10, 2011 12:52 PM MDT up reply actions
you know who we could use?
Tim Lincecum or Matt Cain
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by waterboy31321 on Jun 10, 2011 12:38 PM MDT up reply actions
Morales' error last night was an awful awful play all the way around
I kind of like morales, hes a great backup, plus his switch hitting allows certain days that would be harder for ianetta to sit much easier.
Im open to trading him im open to keeping him, if we get a mid level prospect in return I’d be okay.
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Trade? Not unless ...
Would want to make sure we got something in return!
As a back up catcher is is fine! Who would the Rox get if they gave him up?
by Real Perspective on Jun 10, 2011 3:39 PM MDT up reply actions
Lets trade him for Felipe Paulino!
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by frightened inmate #2 on Jun 10, 2011 2:23 PM MDT up reply actions
Morales' bat has shown some life in the late innings this year
I forget what he’s hitting from the 7th on, but it’s something like .350. But that’s of limited value, since Tracy would rather chew off his own arm than pinch hit a catcher (and I would rather chew off my own arm than hear Frazier and Goody tell that story again about Don Baylor running out of catchers 15 years ago…)
So I too am indifferent on Morales. If he stays, fine. If he goes, I’m just curious to see how the other dominos fall. I suspect Pagnozzi would be brought up and that would allow Pacheco to get most of the time behind the Sky Sox’s plate, and possibly set up Rosario for a bump to AAA later in the year. But that’s just a wild guess – what do others think?
by Northsider1964 on Jun 10, 2011 12:48 PM MDT reply actions
I agree.
Probably Pacheco comces up whenever he turns in around in AAA, or if theres an MLB injury. If he doesn’t turn it around and Rosario performs i could see him leapfrogging Pacheco. If not I just see them both moving up a level like you said.
I think I would only be okay giving up(on) Morales
if the return was impressive, or if their was a superior option available. Since I don’t think Pacheco is ready and Gagnozzi has a career MiLB line of .218/.295/.300 to compare with Morales .286/.341/.383 I really see no reason to ditch Morales.
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I'm not a Pagnozzi fan, either
I just don’t think the Rockies want either Pacheco or Rosario sitting the bench 5 days/week.
by Northsider1964 on Jun 10, 2011 12:59 PM MDT up reply actions
yeah this makes no sense
It would be like trying to trade your long reliever
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jun 10, 2011 5:30 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Morales is 7-for-24 from the 7th inning on
.292/.320/.292.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jun 10, 2011 1:01 PM MDT up reply actions
You really cant have a back up
that provides any competition for Ianetta since that hasn’t worked well in the past.
Iannetta's game takes long swings from lulls of nothing to carrying the team
It doesn’t matter who his back up is. He just has to have regular playing time to capture the good streaks
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jun 10, 2011 1:52 PM MDT up reply actions
patience was never my strongsuit
A major issue as a rockies fan…
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jun 10, 2011 1:02 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, pretty much
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by CentralCaliRox on Jun 10, 2011 3:31 PM MDT up reply actions
Quick question
should we read anything in to Morales catching more frequently for the Latin pitchers lately? Most notably Ubaldo and Chacin?
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Meaning is it based on their comfort with Morales?
or is this purely cosmetics and coincidence?
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by Jeffrey Morton on Jun 10, 2011 4:59 PM MDT up reply actions
I think it's mostly the latter.
Though I think the most recent Jimenez game he caught was because he had caught Jimenez’ previous start (coincidence) and it went super well.

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