Ubaldo Jimenez Roughed Up, Rockies Lose Comedy of Errors 10-8
by Jeff Aberle on Jun 12, 2011 5:00 PM MDT
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Not only did the Rockies lose to a guy named Rubby, they lost in somewhat embarrassing fashion despite hitting four homers (including three with men on base) thanks in large part to three errors. Ubaldo Jimenez (1-7) gave up three HRs for the first time in his career (including a James Loney grand slam), going only 5.1 IP and allowing 7 runs (only two of which were earned) on 11 hits (the Dodgers had 17 on the game), striking out two.
How were only two of seven runs earned? Thank Mr. Ty Wigginton, who booted an easy double-play ball early in the third that came back to bite the Rockies in a big way (five unearned runs) when Mr. Loney hit his two-out (yes, if you've done your math correctly, with the error Loney wouldn't have batted) grand slam -- and then another run got tacked on in the inning. Jimenez later gave up solo shots to Matt Kemp and Rod Barajas. Errors by Jose Morales and Todd Helton exacerbted the situation, one leading directly to a LA run. The Rockies' bullpen continued their forgettable series (27 hits, 5 walks, 19 runs allowed in 12.2 IP), giving up 3 runs in 3.2 IP today.
It started out well enough, as Seth Smith drove a first-inning three-run homer into the second deck (his 6th) to give the Rockies the early 3-0 lead. Unfortunately, by the time the Rockies got on the board again, in the bottom of the 7th on a 2-run Carlos Gonzalez homer (his 9th), it was already a six run deficit. CarGo's homer, followed soon thereafter by a 2-run shot by Troy Tulowitzki (his 13th), made it 9-7 after seven innings, but Colorado would get no closer, even with a Todd Helton solo shot in the ninth (his 9th, eclipsing his 2010 total already) making it 10-8. To their credit, the Rockies got the tying run to the plate, but Seth Smith couldn't repeat his first inning exploits, as Loney made a nice play on his screamer down the line.
There are still some encouraging signs to take away from this series, namely the fact that Colorado's offense finally decided to show up after taking a seven week vacation backpacking through Europe. In the four game series, the Rockies scored 30 runs, including an incredible 25 runs in the fifth inning or later. The Rockies still have six games left on this homestand (SD and DET), so let's hope that the offensive momentum from this series carries over against new opponents.
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We Salute: Smith (.221 WPA), Gonzalez (3-5, .101 WPA)
We Are Disappointed In: Jimenez (-.425 WPA pitching, -.070 WPA batting), Wigginton (-.167 WPA plus crucial error), Jonathan Herrera (-.104 WPA)
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haha didn't realize how this sounded. This was what i meant to say :
Tracy was angry when he appeared on the after game show. He refused to discuss any changes in defense, especially at third base.
You all are on to bigger and better discussions, but I wanted to correct the record .
I knew what you meant... :-)
I hadn’t even thought about it the other way until now.
Also, ewwwwwww….
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by Junction Rox on Jun 12, 2011 7:58 PM MDT up reply actions
There's a yellow background to all the commentary.
Just bein’ relevantly observational.
Initial reaction to the Posey injury by the fellow who runs the Az. Snakepit:
"Hahahahahaha! Suck it, Giants fans. Suck it long. And suck it hard."
by Jim McLennan on May 25, 2011 11:24 PM MST
Jim McLennan: all class.
Minus a couple of consonants.
by victor frankenstein on Jun 13, 2011 2:40 PM MDT up reply actions
Our bats wake up.
Just in time to see the pitching head south. Could it be more frustrating? Todd’s resurgence is the only thing keeping me sane right now.
OK, so instead of sucking in April as usual, we sucked in May this season. I can live with that.
Fear the Smeth!
by azdenfan on Jun 12, 2011 5:18 PM MDT reply actions 2 recs
Obviously sucks to commit 3 errors,
and see the pitching underperform, but very very encouraged by offensive breakout this series, and better mentality when down a gazillion runs.
I predict we get our first walkoff by Tuesday.
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by prettyinpurple on Jun 12, 2011 5:19 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
Forget that
I’d rather see us win a couple of laughers.
Heard some rumor we have some young dude in the Springs
that can actually play D at 3rd? Ian Something or other…
Showing extreme symptoms of Rocky Mountain Baseball Fever since 1993.
I hope Ian's making progress with those inside strikes.
"Are they called the Rockies because they rock?" - 7 y.o.
Haven't seen him
in box score last few games.
He still needs like another 2-3 weeks in my opinion.
His numbers are good but still don’t seem like they’d translate into the bigs the way we’d want them to.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Someone mentioned elsewhere in the thread that he hasn't played in the last few games.
Does anyone know if he is indeed hurt?
he's played the last few games
but he missed from may 25th through june 2nd or something on the 7 day dl with a sore/pulled/tight something-or-other….
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Righ, I knew about that one.
It just sounded like maybe he was missing games now. But I didn’t actually seek to confirm this myself.
He played Friday night
but isn’t in the box scores for yesterday or today.
There’s nothing in Friday’s box score or recap that makes it sound like he got hurt or couldn’t finish…
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by Junction Rox on Jun 12, 2011 9:38 PM MDT up reply actions
yes, and usually we'd hear something from Renck if Stewart was injured
I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if he was called up for EY2 at any time, although I expect him to stay down for a couple more weeks. He’s crushing right now in June, to the tune of 1.380 OPS which is ridiculous. (then again, he had 1.432 OPS in April in his first time down in the Springs). His new batting stance/swing seems to really be helping, as he was doing awful in May (.599 OPS) before the change. And he could actually play plus defense at 3B. I’d give him another 2 weeks to get in the groove of things with his new swing if it were me.
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by black_knight101 on Jun 12, 2011 9:44 PM MDT up reply actions
Another couple weeks sounds good
I was really sorry when they called him back up so quickly last time. I was afraid he hadn’t had time to work things out, which turned out to be true. Hopefully he’s getting closer this time.
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by Junction Rox on Jun 12, 2011 9:49 PM MDT up reply actions
He's still striking out way too much
He’s riding the CoSprings BABIP-HR/FB% express right now. Until he stabilizes around 25% K-rate, I don’t want to see him in purple pinstripes.
Rocktober is not a time of year, it is a religion.
he's at 28% K (9/32) in June
I’m using June split b/c it’s representative of his new swing. Obviously could be improved. He’s also at 18% BB, which is pretty nice. We’ll see where it goes in the next few days. I think he’s an improvement on the roster of EY2, the question is would he be better served by working on his new swing for longer (I think the answer is yes)
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by black_knight101 on Jun 12, 2011 10:01 PM MDT up reply actions
Amen: Stewart over EY2
I can’t figure out why EY2’s skillset changes so dramatically between AAA and MLB – he’s an elite OBP guy in the minors, but doesn’t show a lick of patience in the bigs. He’s posted sky-high BABIP’s in AAA, but squat in Denver. He doesn’t strike out a ton in AAA, but he does in the majors.
Obviously that’s due in large part to facing better pitching, but that we don’t see any walk-drawing or LD-hitting scares me off.
Rocktober is not a time of year, it is a religion.
He perenially gives off the vibe that he's trying too hard
whenever he makes it to the bigs – which may mean he actually needs some extended time up here to even things out. This up/down treatment he gets isn’t really good. Or… he’s just not that good…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Ubaldo
What a disaster… I hope it’s just a fluky outing, but he wasn’t missing any bats…
Depressing series for me
Rocktober is not a time of year, it is a religion.
Humidor seems broken...
OK, I have evidence that the humidor may have been switched off. Now, why on earth would they do that? Don’t know, but it does seem to have boosted our hitters’ confidence…..at the expense of our starting and relief pitchers’ pysches.
The evidence is the fact that 52% more runs per game are being scored at Coors Field this year than in Rockies home games (both teams combined). Specifically, an average of 10.5 runs at Coors, and just 6.9 runs per game on the road. This percentage differential is the greatest Coors has seen since…..the year 2000. That was one year before the humidor was installed (2002).
Now, the runs/game in the mid 10’s at Coors is consistent with 2006-2010, so you might think nothing unusual is going on. However, scoring is down all over baseball, and you’d think with our putrid road offense and decent pitching, scoring would be down at Coors too. It’s not. This almost calls for an investigation!
Call me a conspiracy theorist if you’d like, but I think something had to be done to heal the embarrassing bats. The scores in this one series alone are very telling. As are today’s 7 homeruns.
Just suggesting it’s possible. You decide.
Correction....
Of course, I meant that 52% more runs are being scored at Coors than Rockies ROAD games. I keep forgetting to proof-read.
It's just bad pitching
Other than Chacin, every single pitcher on the roster was flat-out terrible.
Rocktober is not a time of year, it is a religion.
Yea, I can't fault him for the one sorta-bad outing
And Betancourt was OK too. But every other pitcher on the roster had an absolute meltdown (or thereabouts):
Ubaldo: check
Nicasio: sorta-check
Hammel: check
Mortensen: check
Brothers: check
Belisle: check
Lindstrom: check
Reynolds: check
Rocktober is not a time of year, it is a religion.
Good Lord man
Are you really going with humidor bs? I’m starting to think you are Giants fan in disguise.
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SDcat
I’ve talked to GoRoxGo on several other message boards before. He is a Rockies fan, and a very well informed and smart one at that, however unlike some people over here, he is not affraid to be critical of the team.
Is purplerow going to go down the road of accusing people who might not be going allowing with the mob mentality, of being a non-fan of the Rockies? I hope not, because it would really diminish the quality of Purplerow, and its posters.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
"and a very well informed and smart one at that"
Not if he thinks there’s any humidor shenanigans, he’s not.
"We have done everything possible to be set for this day, for this season. It's time to go. We are ready. I can promise you that." - CarGo
by Mondogarage on Jun 12, 2011 6:17 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
I don't think its likely the Humidor has been turned of either
I just don’t like the attack dog mmentality over here. GoRoxGo could’ve said something like Tulo is the best SS in the game, and SDcat and others would still find a way to attack what he says, simply because they disagree with him most the time.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
well, jose reyes *is* pretty awesome right now
i keed, i keed…
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee
And really if you think I would attack GoRoxGo for saying Tulo is the best SS
then you know absolutely nothing about what I think of Tulo.
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And you are attempting fan a flame with him and me that doesn't exist.
I don’t really think I comment on him too much, other than during game threads where he does seem to exhibit a great deal of negativity. He dukes it out with other people far more than me.
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No disguises here.
I won’t even pretend to be informed.
Is it off? Leave it off!
Offensive explosions are fun.
That you’re smarting from not having had enough of the duration or number of them is understood,
but you have to admit that was a more interesting game (Jimenez notwithstanding) than some you’ve had.
Initial reaction to the Posey injury by the fellow who runs the Az. Snakepit:
"Hahahahahaha! Suck it, Giants fans. Suck it long. And suck it hard."
by Jim McLennan on May 25, 2011 11:24 PM MST
Jim McLennan: all class.
Minus a couple of consonants.
by victor frankenstein on Jun 13, 2011 2:45 PM MDT up reply actions
I was really making a joke.
But you know take up arms, I’m a bad person. I’m going to call out any Rockies fan who actually thinks there are humidor shenanigans. But enjoy
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I know it's not. But I really don't think he's not a Rockies fan
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Is this the first time you have called Cat out?
Or others? Is that because you have some kind of agenda against them?
I really don’t think it’s quite right to say somebody is being persecuted just because people don’t bite their tongue after he posts some poppycock about humidor shenanigans that MLB would NEVER allow to happen.
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by Junction Rox on Jun 12, 2011 6:37 PM MDT up reply actions
everybody play nice.
there’s no being mean on the internet
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fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee
As one of the few pessimists on PR
I feel like people who aren’t super positive all the time do get criticized a little too much around here. But I certainly don’t feel unwelcome either.
Wait, what's his real name? We should make a joke out of that.
by BrandonHawpe on Jun 12, 2011 6:28 PM MDT up reply actions
Okay. Let's not get all confused here about
what I was saying. GoRoxGo insinuating that the Rockies are doing something with the humidor sounded so much like a Giants fan, that I was really making a joke along those lines.
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I'm not confused.
I’m confusing.
Initial reaction to the Posey injury by the fellow who runs the Az. Snakepit:
"Hahahahahaha! Suck it, Giants fans. Suck it long. And suck it hard."
by Jim McLennan on May 25, 2011 11:24 PM MST
Jim McLennan: all class.
Minus a couple of consonants.
by victor frankenstein on Jun 13, 2011 2:47 PM MDT up reply actions
I agree with this
I feel like people who aren’t super positive all the time do get criticized a little too much around here
I know that I’m not all that positive all the time, I point out that I don’t like player A or B, and I’ve been told that I am wrong, and don’t know what I’m talking about… oh and look Herrera is hitting below .250 and Dex has been replaced already… I guess I do know what I am talking about, but don’t tell anyone else that.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
Dex hasn't been replaced. He went on the DL.
Unless of course you think the DL stint is not legitimate. But that’s a whole other conversation.
Once Dex comes off the DL, that will be very interesting.
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interesting in terms of how long they wait to send him to AAA
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I don't think they'll send him to AAA unless it becomes a rehab assignment.
But Dex isn’t going to gain much in AAA I think…..but as long as Blackmon performs, Dex is going to have a fight to get his starting job back. But I seriously don’t see them sending him back down as a matter of course.
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I really like what I see from blackmon
If he can just hit 275 or so with 10-15 homers plus his good defense, he’s a valuable guy to have out there. It makes you wonder if Seth smith might be expendable at some point given Wheeler is theoretically in the mix as well.
dude has almost as many dingers as bautista
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I'd want to see a lot more of Wheeler before giving up Smith
A good 3 months in AA is a long way from what Seth has done in the big leagues.
But you have a good point that we do have a logjam of LH hitting OFs, and it’s probably only going to grow. At some point somebody is going to have to go.
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by Junction Rox on Jun 12, 2011 7:02 PM MDT up reply actions
That's a lot of buts. LOL
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I think that the warning signs were pointing to Dex being sent down or somethign
The DL trip is just a bit too convenient.
The signs were there, Moving him down in the order, benching him, JT saying he isn’t hitting enough….
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
It's partly because PR has always been a more even-keel place
Never too high, never too low. Well, maybe too high sometimes. The core membership of PR never really overreacted to long losing streaks, and the optimism going into 2010 fueled an optimistic attitude. So the recent struggles combined with the disappointing 2010 season have been hard on everyone. The pessimists need to vent, and the optimists need to vent against the pessimists.
Any sports community gets thrown into stages of upheaval and depression during extended stretches of poor play.
Rocktober is not a time of year, it is a religion.
I just can't believe that my comment against a humidor shenigans
has turned into a discourse about whether negativity is permitted.
/scratches head.
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This more more then a comment against Humidor Shenigans
is the fact that you accused someone of not being a fan because they happened to say something you disagree with.
You even Said
I’m starting to think you are Giants fan in disguise
Which leads me to believe that his Humidor comments pushed you over the edge but you didn’t think he was a real fan before he said it.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
Giants fans are notoriously obsessed with humidor shenanigans
I think it’s as simple as that.
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by Junction Rox on Jun 12, 2011 6:46 PM MDT up reply actions
Well, no.
OK, sometimes.
But generalizing, assumptive commentary isn’t going to help.
It’s as simple as that.
Initial reaction to the Posey injury by the fellow who runs the Az. Snakepit:
"Hahahahahaha! Suck it, Giants fans. Suck it long. And suck it hard."
by Jim McLennan on May 25, 2011 11:24 PM MST
Jim McLennan: all class.
Minus a couple of consonants.
by victor frankenstein on Jun 13, 2011 2:51 PM MDT up reply actions
And obviously you didn't read my other comment
I know it’s not. But I really don’t think he’s not a Rockies fan
I guess I figured people would see the sarcasm behind my comment.
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Considering the huge number of humidor
conversations we’ve had here.
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Sheesh I know
Displeasure against negativity = nowhere near disgust of humidor accusations.
And such accusations don’t even fall under “critical”.
Sigh. Everyone just calm down.
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by prettyinpurple on Jun 12, 2011 6:47 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I ain't even mad.
Perplexed? Yes. Mad? no.
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I understand.
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by prettyinpurple on Jun 12, 2011 6:50 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I do as well.
Especially the perplexity.
Initial reaction to the Posey injury by the fellow who runs the Az. Snakepit:
"Hahahahahaha! Suck it, Giants fans. Suck it long. And suck it hard."
by Jim McLennan on May 25, 2011 11:24 PM MST
Jim McLennan: all class.
Minus a couple of consonants.
by victor frankenstein on Jun 13, 2011 2:55 PM MDT up reply actions
Do you have a spreadsheet....
of every Rockies season, and every score in team history? Do you calculate runs scored park factors for our team every year since 1993? To even suggest I’m a hidden Giants fan is silly. But I do have an admission……once upon a time, I WAS a Giants fan, but gave it up in 1993 when Denver got an MLB team. I’ve been called a traitor more than once by my Giants fan friends. And, of course, last year was a nightmare for me as a Rockies fan. Seeing the Giants, an arguably inferior team on paper to the Rockies last year, get hot and win it all really got to me.
How about just commenting on my analysis and suggesting other possible reasons that 52% more runs are happening at Coors Field this year?
Of course,
52% more runs are happening at Coors than on the road. Scoring at Coors is not up 52%. Just wanted to make that clear.
big and important difference to make
you say the H/R run differentials are the biggest they’ve been since the humidor was installed… by what margins?
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Good question.
I also think that perhaps is less that there’s something weird going on with Coors and more that the Rockies offense just had an extremely bad stretch. And since they have never hit great on the road anyway, the difference on the road was less than the difference at home. Thus the greater differential in runs at Coors vs. away.
If you only score 1 run on the road
Scoring 2 at Coors would make the run differential 100%. You may very well have a point that the lower road scoring is inflating the H/R differential.
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by Junction Rox on Jun 12, 2011 9:03 PM MDT up reply actions
Ha, I didn't even notice that before
I wasn’t trying to correct you, just pointing out that the worse than usual offense on the road would increase the % differential between home and road…
Looking back over the course of the season, if there is something being done with the humidor to make runs go up, it’s not being done very consistently. Here’s the total runs (both teams) by home game…
13 4 3 12 5 11 14 9 9 12 3 5 12 3 7 14 19 16 10 11 8 16 7 3 9 13 19 7 16 11 18 18
By my count, that’s 7 games where teams have combined for 5 runs or less, and 7 games where teams have combined for 15 runs or more. Seems to me, if it was some organized thing where the quality of the balls used had been changed, we would see a bit more uniformity to the change.
FWIW, last year at the time there had been 5 games with 5 or fewer combined runs, only 2 with 15 or more (although 4 with either 13 or 14), so both those numbers have gone up this year. For whatever reason, this team has been kind of an all-or-nothing team.
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by Junction Rox on Jun 12, 2011 9:27 PM MDT up reply actions
The average is about 25% more runs....
scored in Coors games than Rockies road games since 2002, when the humidor was installed. I say “about” since I have to go into my spreadsheet and confirm.
52% more scoring at Coors than the road is the outlier. And the contrast has been even more notable the past couple weeks, which makes me wonder why.
The Rockies' offense was unbelievably crappy in May no matter where they played
And most of their games happened to be on the road that month
exactly... the culprit is far more likely this than a change in humidor policy
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fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee
Because once
LOLHUMIDORZ is mentioned, I kind of tune out.
I hope like hell I don’t have that kind of spreadsheet? Does that make you a better fan than me? Probably.
Also, you might want to find the post wherein I say that I really don’t think you are not a Rockies fan.
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No, all fans are equal....
No fan is “better” or “worse” than other fans. Some like to put more time into their fandom, or in different ways, than others. We each have our own ways of enjoyment.
Frankly, your summarily dismissing even the outside chance that baseballs are harder this year at Coors Field seems a bit closed-minded. I’m not even saying that IS the case, but it SEEMS that the humidor is broken on a sample size of 65 regular season games. Something else may likely be happening to skew the statistics on the road versus at home. But you have to consider all possibilities. And maybe suggest your own.
I'm not summarily dismissing it .
The MLB installed a person specifically to be the “Ball Monitor”. At that point any discussion of humidor shenanigans is a moot point.
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Unless you can prove the "Ball Monitor" is not to be trusted.
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I'm not saying balls are being swapped out...
so what the Monitor is seeing says nothing about the hardness of balls being used in the games now versus a year ago.
So you're just implying that perhaps the team is just intentionally fiddling with the humidor settings.
Or that the humidor is broken. I really don’t think either of those options is at all likely.
One possibility (at least during this series)
is that the balls are drying out fast in the nice weather (once they’ve come out of the humidor). (Does the ball monitor keep the balls in the shade, or in the sun?)
Earlier in the season, when the weather wasn’t so nice, that wouldn’t work as an explanation. But in this series, the balls really seemed to be flying. (I don’t think the lack of humidity would explain all the errors, though.)
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Though it looks like it's been more humid in Denver than in Durango.
Humidity’s only 14% right now, after the sun went down.
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You are saying the humidor is being turned off altogether or is broken?
And the Ball Monitor would know if this is the case, would they not?
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they would
In fact, they would have known that before these latest changes were made. Those types of things have been monitored by MLB since it was installed.
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by Junction Rox on Jun 12, 2011 9:05 PM MDT up reply actions
As for why the runs are down
our offense sucks.
Also, if the Rockies had turned off the humidor the balls would be flying for both teams in every game. I have seen no evidence of this.
One thing you are not addresssing is the sheer size of Coors outfield
A large number of runs are scored a Coors because it’s a HUGE outfield with HUGE gaps. Thus you end up with more baserunners. Unfortunately we have not taken much advantage of those baserunners when we had them on base.
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That explains nothing....
about how we suddenly see 52% more runs at home this year compared to the road. We have had the same large outfield all these years.
I really don't see what you are talking about at all.
There could be myriad reasons for this that have NOTHING to do with the humidor.
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Anyway, I'm going to recuse myself from this discussion. I am not a stats person by any means
So until someone from the MLB can prove with complete certainty that the Rockies are doing something nefarious or it’s just broken, it’s a waste of time IMO
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See my post above.
The offense is bad. Perhaps the difference between this year’s road offense and previous road offense is less than the difference between this year’s home offense and previous year’s home offense. That would make a greater than normal disparity between Coors runs and away runs. Anything that the bad offense alone does not cover is probably a combination of bad weather (which is always less offense), better pitching, and randomness.
by holly96 on Jun 12, 2011 8:39 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Randomness is the only rationale....
you brought up that makes any sense as an alternative to a ball hardness possibility.
Scoring on the road is way down for our opponents this year, but similar for us. Scoring near or at sea level is way down across the league. Scoring is NOT down at Coors Field. Why is that if it’s not randomness? That’s all I’m asking.
Then why didn't you make a post saying it must be randomness?
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Okay my mistake
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because it's coors field
scoring doesnt go down at coors field, just ask anyone who’s ever pitched there
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I somehow misread your point
and translated it into my head as the disparity being that the difference between road scoring and home scoring was 52% less.
I still think it’s a combination of randomness, worse than normal road offense, and offense being down around the league. Those explanations satisfy me enough.
Why would offense being down around the league...
not translate into offense being down at Coors as well? The games are averaging 10.5 runs per game, pretty much the same as the 2006-2010 average. Given less scoring in the league, it should drop to somewhere between 9.5 and 10.0.
Maybe the hitting paradise that is Coors Field can’t even be blunted by a lower league offensive level. I don’t know. We’ll see if this trend lasts all season.
FWIW
In their road games, the combined average to this date last year was 7.3 (234 in 32 games) and so far this year, it’s 6.9 (228 in 33 games). So it isn’t just a Rockies thing overall.
Still, if the home average dropped by the same .4 runs per game, the total would be down about 13 runs from last year (32 games). Last year the total for the first 32 games was 290 runs, this year it is 337. So it’s actually up 47, which is about 60 runs different than you would expect. That’s around 1.9 runs per game. I don’t believe for a second that it’s humidor shenanigans behind it (it simply ignores too many realities about how the humidor is monitored and operated), but it’s an interesting observation.
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by Junction Rox on Jun 12, 2011 10:54 PM MDT up reply actions
Just as a follow up...
The 337 runs this year add up this way: Rockies 170, opponents 167
Last year after 32 games it was Rockies 170, opponents 120.
So if it’s something about the park (balls, weather, hitting background, wind, distraction from Heltonburger smoke, whatever) it’s helping the other team, but not the Rockies…
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by Junction Rox on Jun 12, 2011 11:10 PM MDT up reply actions
How about a hurt and ineffective Ubaldo as one contributing reason?
Not enough, I don’t think, but part of it.
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I would argue though that the Rockies have hit the ball well enough at home
to see a significant increase in runs scored but have instead been burned by what so far has been the worst BABIP at home in team history.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 13, 2011 9:25 AM MDT up reply actions
Interesting!
I WAS a Giants fan, but gave it up in 1993 when Denver got an MLB team.
I’ll assume (yes, I know the connotation) you live in the Denver area.
I myself moved away from the team I had an affinity for.
First to Michigan, where I didn’t become a Tigers fan.
Then later to New York, where I didn’t become a Mets or Yankees fan.
Then to Arizona, where 19 years later I didn’t become a Blankfan.
It never occurred to me to simply drop an attachment based on where I or they were.
Of course, evil knows no geographic boundary.
Or maybe you weren’t the Giant fan you thought you were.
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by victor frankenstein on Jun 13, 2011 3:27 PM MDT up reply actions
It's not possible
Whole new monitoring system, designed to ensure that Humidorgate doesn’t happen. September of ’10? Maybe. June ’11? Not possible.
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Exactly
Even if 4 games falling within the normal stats of the last 5 years actually were signs of something, there is still no way MLB lets the Rockies go around turning the humidor on and off on a whim.
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by Junction Rox on Jun 12, 2011 6:39 PM MDT up reply actions
troll
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Hang on a sec. I'm reading something.
Initial reaction to the Posey injury by the fellow who runs the Az. Snakepit:
"Hahahahahaha! Suck it, Giants fans. Suck it long. And suck it hard."
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by victor frankenstein on Jun 13, 2011 3:31 PM MDT up reply actions
Strange how terrible the pen was the whole series
Really, just plain awful.
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The Keystone Cops defense didn't help,
and the bullpen wasn’t very effective – but this loss is squarely on Ubaldo. Started out the game with effective 97-98 mph heat, then crawled in a shell as soon as something went badly for him. No doubt Wigginton’s error was huge, but that’s no excuse for abandoning your heater, throwing sitting-duck splitters and get-me-over fastballs, and nibbling your way to a full count on what seemed like every hitter.
I’ve made the case a couple of times that Ubaldo’s rehab was botched and rushed, and I still think that’s the case. But by now that’s a just shopworn excuse. His arm strength and velocity are back, but he’s turned into the Nibbler-in-Chief when he’s pitching at Coors Field.
Ubaldo, you became a star in this league for one reason: you have a 98 mph fastball that sets up your secondary pitches. Without the former, the latter are okay but nothing special – and you just are not a very good pitcher. I assume that message has been driven home to him this afternoon in no uncertain terms. But if not, somebody isn’t doing their job.
I agree with your criticism of the pitch selection. If anybody caught the game on KOA today, Jack Corrigan was just KILLING Jose Morales and Ubaldo for the pitch selection in that third inning.
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Yeah I was at the game but also had it on the radio
And Corrigan was right on the money. But I don’t think you can blame Morales. Ubaldo has the final say on what he throws, and I doubt that Morales called for either of the 92 mph get-me-over fastballs that Kemp and Barajas put over the CF wall. Don’t think there’s really a sign you can flash for “half-assed fastball you don’t really trust.”
by Northsider1964 on Jun 12, 2011 7:13 PM MDT up reply actions
perhaps Iannetta was more strident in his pitch selection
and that is why Ubaldo prefers Morales behind the plate.
And perhaps everyone was in agreement on the pitch but the mechanics are awry.
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by victor frankenstein on Jun 13, 2011 3:33 PM MDT up reply actions
I agree
It’s like Ubaldo just stopped executing as soon as something didn’t go his way. Before that grand slam, not one ball had been hit out of the infield that inning – once he gave that up, his conifdence seemed shot and he just wasn’t effective the rest of the day.
This by no means excuses the awful defense (because it was pathetic (minus a couple of great plays) in this series) but if you’re gonna be the ace you have to get out of those jams.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 12, 2011 7:45 PM MDT up reply actions
Not sure about that
Yes, he could have made some pitches here and there that he didn’t make, but when you ask a guy to get 5 outs in an inning, he’s probably going to give up some runs. He didn’t have his “carry the whole team on my back” stuff but he had good enough to win the game if his defense stood up behind him.
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by RoarFrom112 on Jun 12, 2011 11:31 PM MDT up reply actions
Unfortunately for Ubaldo
his job (to get guys out) doesn’t stop when a defender fails him. He’s still got the ball, and a job to do. And he didn’t do it. Letting a popgun like Loney take him deep is bad enough, but then the BP junk he was throwing after that was just awful. His defense should have supported him, sure, but he should have taken better care of his own business.
Exactly
Loney’s HR didn’t even upset me that much – it was the result of an inning extended by bad defense. It was more the fact that he folded like a tent after that.
by Northsider1964 on Jun 13, 2011 5:27 AM MDT up reply actions
Hard to complain about the offense after the run explosion this series, but I'm going to anyways
This team has too many hitters looking to hit for power. Seeing Carroll and miles dink us to death all series just brings into stark relief the lack of pesky annoying hitters in the Rockies lineup. Guys who want to hit singles, and might actually hit on the road in the nl west. I know i sound like I’m eight hundred years old, but I’d like to see a small ball grinder type somewhere in the lineup.
Maybe Herrera is that guy, I dunno. Seems like he’s much better when he doesn’t play everyday.
I generally like Herrera, but
He failed to move Carlos to 3rd in consecutive opportunities early in the game. Smith bailed him out the first time, but the second time was costly. If Nelson’s hitting and playing a serviceable 2B, let him play.
by Northsider1964 on Jun 12, 2011 6:27 PM MDT up reply actions
Nelson hasn't displayed consistently good defense. I dunno what to think about that guy
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Not sold on Nelson either, really
But Herrera is 0-for-June and isn’t drawing walks.
by Northsider1964 on Jun 12, 2011 6:29 PM MDT up reply actions
how many june PAs does he have?
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Not sure
But I had my radio on at the game today, and Corrigan said he’s 0 for his last 16.
by Northsider1964 on Jun 12, 2011 6:32 PM MDT up reply actions
i'd chalk that up to SSS
we know johnny’s better than that. not a lot better, not like may tulo vs real tulo, but still.
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I sort of lean this way about Jonny
I think Nelson has great skills, but he seems to make some weird brain fart mistakes. Jonny makes less of those defensive mistakes, but hasn’t been hitting as well. I don’t know what the answer is…but we’ll see.
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Other than the absolute worst brain fart of the year last night...
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HIS NAME IS....
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by Real Perspective on Jun 13, 2011 1:33 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm not dogging Herrera
I just don’t think he’s making a very good case for sitting Nelson on the bench. I would like to see someone get a couple of weeks’ worth of starts just to get their feet on the ground. And right now, out of several less-than-ideal alternatives, I think Nelson is making the best case. He’s one of the few Rockies who hit the ball well in San Diego, for example.
On the other hand, if they want to play Herrera and Nelson at the same time, I won’t complain. It would get Wiggy’s skillet glove back into the reserve role he came here to play.
by Northsider1964 on Jun 12, 2011 6:39 PM MDT up reply actions
Ideally if Stewart keeps hitting the way he is come July
send EY2 back down (or trade him) and give Stewart another shot.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
ey2, stewart, and alan johnson for wright
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Stewart hasn't
played last couple of games. Is it hamstring or?
Yeah the d has not been great lately
To the point where it’s starting to kill the pitching staff a bit. Ubaldo today really fell apart after the Loney gs.
My biggest issue(s) with the lineup construction this week:
1. Too many “B” lineups. I know that guys need their rest, but back-to-back nights with major contributors on the bench?
2. Starting Herrera after some terrible mistakes in Game 3. I don’t usually favor “reactionary” managing, but making Nelson ride the pine after absolutely crushing baseballs the night before disturbs me, especially since Herrera K’d with the tying run on and then getting zero outs on a potential DP.
3. Smith not starting every night. He’s been either our 1st or 2nd best hitter, but Tracy seems to treat him as a platoon guy.
4. EY2 in RF. Seriously? The flat-out worst decision of the series.
Also, pulling Chacin in Game 2 was stupid. He had a freaking shutout going, and I bet the score would have been better than 6-5 if he had come back out for the 9th.
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smith has bad platoon splits...
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But great peripherals
He’s drawing more walks versus LHP and striking out less too, but he’s been owned by BABIP.
He’s never going to be a great hitter versus lefties – he doesn’t have enough power to hit off of them. But he’s had a great approach thus far.
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Honestly, I would pencil in Blackmon, Carlos and Smith
As my OF unless and until something drastic happens. They are all young, they are all putting good swings on the ball, and they can all play defense.
I know that’s putting too much faith in Blackmon after one week, but just go ahead and play him unless he starts to look overmatched. Fowler might still be valuable in a reserve role, and you can shake a tree and three reserve OFs as good as Spilly will fall out.
by Northsider1964 on Jun 12, 2011 7:02 PM MDT up reply actions
agreed
I love what I’ve seen from Blackmon so far. And CarGo patrolling CF is a thing of absolutely beauty. He just glides out there.
It would be very nice to have a couple plus RH bats out there to go with them, though.
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by Junction Rox on Jun 12, 2011 7:10 PM MDT up reply actions
unfortunately the list of available right-handed outfielders is rather small.
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Yeah, I'm not really talking about trading for one
What I’d really like to see is some in the system, within a year or two of MLB. Like Wheeler, only RH, maybe.
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by Junction Rox on Jun 12, 2011 7:17 PM MDT up reply actions
does garner hit right-handed?
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He does
but I’m not sure I consider him a plus bat. Probably in the range of the RH hitters we have out there now, if I had to guess…
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by Junction Rox on Jun 12, 2011 7:25 PM MDT up reply actions
smith had pretty even platoon splits in 09 it seems, BABIP, K%, BB%, everything...
but he just fell of a cliff in 2010 vs lefties, fueled by a 1.8% (!) walk rate coupled with some bad BABIP luck.
so i suppose the best way to get him better is to just play him more vs lefties, which tracy wont do because he’s bad against lefties. catch-22.
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Smith was just a crappy hitter last year
But that was last year. Ride him for a while and see what happens. I doubt it’s going to put a dent in Spilly’s case for a Cooperstown bust.
by Northsider1964 on Jun 12, 2011 7:23 PM MDT up reply actions
It seems like at a couple of positions the Rockies can pick
if they want ofense or defense but they can’t have both – and whatever one they don’t have always seems to cost them the game. It’s so frustrating.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 12, 2011 7:46 PM MDT up reply actions
This
I didn’t mind seeing him get a shot because I thought he might be that grinder/bloop/make the right things happen kind of guy. But it’s really just not happening. To be that guy, he at least has to be able to get down a bunt, make the right play on defense and hit well situationally. None of that has really been happening for quite a while now..
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by Junction Rox on Jun 12, 2011 6:44 PM MDT up reply actions
Herrera magically became a MLB-quality hitter in April -- now he's back to what I thought he was -- a bad hitter with no power
Also, his speed and fielding are overrated. Nelson is the better option in pretty much any way you look at it — let him play.
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7 runs allowed, only 2 earned.
that is ridiculous.
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Maybe the best stat of the day
Ubaldo: 2 earned runs, 3 HR’s. Something doesn’t seem right there.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 12, 2011 7:48 PM MDT up reply actions
the last 2 hrs
were BS ‘ground rule home runs’ aided by wind and the umps using replay.
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If Ubaldo had buckled down and pitched decently
After the Loney slam, I would be more inclined to blame Wigginton for those 5 unearned runs. But he pretty much folded like a house of cards, so in this case the 7 total runs come closer to telling the real story of Ubaldo’s day than the 2 ER.
by Northsider1964 on Jun 12, 2011 9:13 PM MDT up reply actions
The team keeps finding new and horrific ways to lose
I’ll take last night and today over scoring 7 runs over the course of 6 games, but it’s only less painful because it’s unfamiliar. Another week of this crap (and let’s keep in mind that the Padres had no trouble scoring runs at Coors in mid May while the Tigers have a pretty good lineup) and I’ll be hankering for the all-pitching no-hitting Rockies again.
Wait, what's his real name? We should make a joke out of that.
A lot of teams are going to lose to a guy name Rubbie
That kid has an ungodly heater and some quality secondary stuff.
Agree. Has really good stuff but very young.
He is going to be a force to reckon with when he gets better. When he does the division better prepare.
And when he masters the running catch. And the pitchout.
Good God.
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by victor frankenstein on Jun 13, 2011 3:37 PM MDT up reply actions
And while I'm gernearally a Tracy guy....
I agree that he needs to pick one lineup and stay with it. Same eight guys day after day, with an occasional rest here and there. Someone needs to take his pencil away…..
Give him one of those golf course pencils
no eraser….
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by Junction Rox on Jun 12, 2011 7:10 PM MDT up reply actions
Jim's head asplodes
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Don't we have a gif of that around here somewhere?
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by Junction Rox on Jun 12, 2011 7:17 PM MDT up reply actions
It seems like Tracy is auditioning a few possible lineups.
With second base particularly open to be claimed.
I with Seth would be given a serious audition against left-handed starting pitchers, though.
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I feel like Nelson got most of the starts there this past week.
And I feel like Herrera today was less of an audition and more of a getting a bench guy a spot start thing. But that’s just my impression. We’ll have to wait and see what happens this week.
This week, yes.
But before that EY got some starts, and Herrera was the primary 2B before that.
Nelson was hitting pretty well, and his worst brain-fart came at 3rd. I don’t know if he’s the best solution to the 2B problem, but I’m ok with him for now.
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The only thing wrong with that lineup was Ubaldo Jimenez's mechanics.
If the Dodgers don’t hammer him you win.
Don’t you love revisionist history? Yes you do!
Initial reaction to the Posey injury by the fellow who runs the Az. Snakepit:
"Hahahahahaha! Suck it, Giants fans. Suck it long. And suck it hard."
by Jim McLennan on May 25, 2011 11:24 PM MST
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by victor frankenstein on Jun 13, 2011 3:40 PM MDT up reply actions
By the way
Even after his great start… Herrera’s WAR on the season stands at 0.2
He is OPSing .654, and his OBP, is sitting .326.
On April 3rd, I wrote this:
and I’m ok with Herrera as a defense sub, 25th man on the roster type. He does have good bat control skills and he can take a base…. but I’m not expecting much from him, and I won’t be surprised when come June if he’s hitting .220/.298/.301
Don’t look now but over the past 2 months, Herrera hasn’t been as bad as I predicted, but he has been close.
The Month of May He hit .253/.286/.322
So far in June, he has not had a hit, or a walk in 14 ABs
Now let see what people said to me after making my prediciton:
That’s way below Herrera’s line in the minors AND his line last year. He’s a much better hitter than that stat line, guys.
And look at his spring! Wow a .220/.298/.301 stat line?
I know Jonny gets cut short, but give me a break.
It doesn’t work that way. Also, a below .300 OBP is terrible, and it’s unrealistic. Jonny would have to TANK, and there is absolutely NO reason to think that will happen.
No, there really isn’t any way Herrera hits that low. Like I’ve said many times, his plate approach is awesome. He’s consistently shown, over the past year, that he CAN outplay his minor league numbers.
I guess if you want to take the absolute extreme and say Herrera’s BABIP is going to dip 70 points at home, then I’ll say that’s a bad assumption.
His road stats were horrid, they should improve.
But if Herrera hits THAT bad, i’ll quit PR.
So can we please stop jumping over everyone who doesn’t think Herrera (or any other player) is the answer? I know it comes as shock to everyone, but even the pessimist can know what they are talking about.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
I think we all need to try to respect those who disagree with us...
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by Junction Rox on Jun 12, 2011 7:19 PM MDT up reply actions
Agree.
Not sure why we’re dredging up past arguments as some sort I told you so thing. Some people are going to get things wrong, even if they had logical reasons. This isn’t an exact science. And I don’t think people need to be called out when they end up being wrong.
And on the flip side, when people do have a minority opinion, presenting reasons why you think that opinion is wrong is fine, but it shouldn’t turn into anything more than a civil discussion.
Commenting on PR shouldn’t be a competition.
Does that mean I'm not actually WINNING!?
/crestfallen…
The Herrera posts were interesting to see again. I vaguely remembered the discussion, but it is a bit eye opening to see how much of a 180 Herrera has done from what we had seen from him up to that point to what he looks like now. Honestly, it’s like he’s not even the same guy…
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by Junction Rox on Jun 12, 2011 7:28 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm sorry if I am making it a competition
I’m just pointing out that in the past I was ganged up on by the mob rule when I dare questioned that Herrera was an everyday player, and as good as he was showing after Spring Training.
I said some things about Folwer as well, and was ganged up on as well. I’m just saying, this site needs to be much better at listening to the other side, because they are sometimes correct in their evaluations.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
Look, sometimes if you have a minority opinion, a lot of people are going to respond to disagree.
That’s not automatically ganging up on. Perhaps sometimes the tone of said disagreements could be better, I’ll give you that. But even if you in the end you are proven correct (not referring to any specific topic, here), that doesn’t necessarily mean you were “ganged up on” or that it’s “mob rule.”
And regarding your last point about listening, I agree.
But it goes both ways. Sometimes the minority are the ones that need to better at listening. Sometimes the other way around.
I just felt
at the time, and at other times, that even if you have a valid arguement and have backed it up with whatever, you are still quickly dismissed if you go against what the majority has to say. Its hard to have a quality discussion if the other side is not allowed to have their case considered.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
Is it possible that being in the minority opinion
made you feel as though the case was being dismissed? I mean other than waiting to see what Jonny was really going to do, how could either side know?
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If we can't discuss what's going to happen as we see it, we might as well shut the site down
Yeah, Johnny could get another start tomorrow and go 4 for 4 with 3 triples and then OPS .975 the rest of June and never look back.
Nelson could do the same thing, and Herrera could be demoted.
The Rockies could trade for Brandon Phillips tomorrow.
We all just need to find a way to… I don’t know, do something more civil.
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by Andrew Martin on Jun 12, 2011 10:58 PM MDT up reply actions
I'll propose a deal
The Rockies could trade for Brandon Phillips tomorrow.
If you can make this happen, I promise to be perfectly civil….
But I’ll do my best in any event…
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by Junction Rox on Jun 12, 2011 11:18 PM MDT up reply actions
this was inevitable
I don’t get the “woe is me, everyone hates my opposing view” take in this instance (nothing personal Wolf and whoever else). I remember at the time that tons of posters were girding themselves for the “I told you so” moment re JH, and frankly I’m surprised it took so long for someone to pat themselves on the back with the revolutionary notion that JH didn’t actually become Ichiro over the offseason. Some of us were trying to enjoy the moment while it lasted. Others were right to point out that it wouldn’t last. This isn’t the first, and won’t be the last, time this exact argument plays out. But it is another in a long line of recent events that makes me miss Redhawk. Having someone else jump on the “groupthink” train…man, that’s his thing baby!
Look, sometimes if you have a minority opinion, a lot of people are going to respond to disagree.
Sometimes? A lot? Oh, boy.
SBNation – ANY community – is rampant with groupthink, and the overwhelming desire to be part of it.
Damn near EVERYONE wants acceptance from the time they’re kids to the time they’re yelling GET OFF MY GRASS!, so they’re not going to step out against the majority opinion.
Ho ho, trust me on that one.
Initial reaction to the Posey injury by the fellow who runs the Az. Snakepit:
"Hahahahahaha! Suck it, Giants fans. Suck it long. And suck it hard."
by Jim McLennan on May 25, 2011 11:24 PM MST
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Minus a couple of consonants.
by victor frankenstein on Jun 13, 2011 3:46 PM MDT up reply actions
But if most people legitmately disagree with you
it’s not really “ganging up” if they all say so. It just means a lot of people disagree with you.
I guess we could try making some of those people take positions they don’t agree with, just to make things even. That might even be kind of amusing, now that I think about it.
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by Junction Rox on Jun 12, 2011 7:31 PM MDT up reply actions
that means you're always right...
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by Junction Rox on Jun 12, 2011 7:57 PM MDT up reply actions
So like a debate class.
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Often, I found, that it was “jonny herrera sucks eggs and should put in a rocket and sent to the moon” as far as the tone of the posts. Not from you per se, but in general. And as those that thought, hey, let’s see how Jonny pans out before shooting him to the moon were sort of being painted as “drinking the purple koolaid” by those on the other side.
JUST IMO
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Well to be honest
a lot of the Herrera supporters were drinking Purple Koolaide, and didn’t even bother to consider his stats in the Minor were well out of wack with what he was doing in the Majors.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
I'm not sure I agree with that. They may have been truly hoping he would have success.
Is that a bad thing?
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I guess what I mean is
hoping for future success of him doing better than his numbers suggested isn’t necessarily drinking the Kool Aid.
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Wishing him Success is one thing
Even I hoped that he did well…. Anointing him the Answer is kool aide.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
Okay. The Answer thing.
That was born from a pic that someone posted and it grew from there. I think you may have taken that a tad too seriously.
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IIRC most of the staff agreed with you
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by Andrew Martin on Jun 12, 2011 10:56 PM MDT up reply actions
no, you're wrong and you suck and that's it and there's no changing my mind and meh
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee
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by prettyinpurple on Jun 12, 2011 8:09 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
*@FakePR?
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by prettyinpurple on Jun 12, 2011 8:09 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
is that still around?
seems like the struggles of may would be what he(she?) feeds on.
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee
This is all well and good
But if Jonny starts playing better will you come back and quote those that thought he’d get better?
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But we don't have a cooler nickname for Herrera : )
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by prettyinpurple on Jun 12, 2011 8:11 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Well, if it makes you feel any better, I was squarely in your corner on that one.
I’m glad that Tracy still isn’t playing the poor guy every day — he’s just overmatched at the MLB level.
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33 FREAKING RUNS IN THE SERIES?!?!?!?!!?
Really?
And that’s including those 8 shoutout innings by Chacin. Everyone else in this series 28 innings, 33 runs – That’s an embarrassment.
NO, we are NOT going to fire Jim Tracy midseason!!!!!
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 12, 2011 7:51 PM MDT reply actions
Oh look
More stupid baserunning by a team playing the Giants
NO, we are NOT going to fire Jim Tracy midseason!!!!!
The Rockies couldn't be any more offensive or less offensive all at the same time.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 12, 2011 7:54 PM MDT reply actions
Vic would like us to discuss the Diamondbacks more
so, um, what movie do you suppose the Diamondbacks are watching on their flight tonight?
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by Junction Rox on Jun 12, 2011 8:01 PM MDT up reply actions
I think the Dbacks have probably already arrived at their destination.
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Yep
They are still in Florida. It’s a four game wraparound series that ends tomorrow night. :-)
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 12, 2011 8:09 PM MDT up reply actions
Snakes on a Plane?
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by glaucophane on Jun 12, 2011 8:02 PM MDT up reply actions 5 recs
You win this thread
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You win this thread the internet
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by Junction Rox on Jun 12, 2011 8:08 PM MDT up reply actions
Well I have good news for Vic
The Giants start a series against the D’backs starting Tuesday so we’ll be talking plenty about them.
NO, we are NOT going to fire Jim Tracy midseason!!!!!
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 12, 2011 8:10 PM MDT up reply actions
Ohhh that should be a dogfight
How many games? I hope they split and play 85 innings
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Just your standard 3 game set
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 12, 2011 8:13 PM MDT up reply actions
they could still play 85 innings
Eventually the Gints might score…
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by Junction Rox on Jun 12, 2011 9:01 PM MDT up reply actions
/walkoffbloop
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee
I don’t give a damn what you talk about since my little flareup.
I wasn’t asking you to talk about the Blanks,
I was simply remarking that you spend much more time yakking about what the Giants are doing
as opposed to a team closer to yourselves.
But spin it as you will.
Initial reaction to the Posey injury by the fellow who runs the Az. Snakepit:
"Hahahahahaha! Suck it, Giants fans. Suck it long. And suck it hard."
by Jim McLennan on May 25, 2011 11:24 PM MST
Jim McLennan: all class.
Minus a couple of consonants.
by victor frankenstein on Jun 13, 2011 3:53 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeesh. Closer to the Rox.
Initial reaction to the Posey injury by the fellow who runs the Az. Snakepit:
"Hahahahahaha! Suck it, Giants fans. Suck it long. And suck it hard."
by Jim McLennan on May 25, 2011 11:24 PM MST
Jim McLennan: all class.
Minus a couple of consonants.
by victor frankenstein on Jun 13, 2011 3:55 PM MDT up reply actions
you're like... annoying, but not, at the same time.
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee
Go MAVS!!!
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Just a little scuffling
Issue is whether a player came off the bench to get involved because it happened during a timeout
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You know what would help us all tremendously
A post from Silverblood. I miss those.
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This x100.
Didn’t she say she was coming back at the end of June? Hopefully we’ll see more of her soon..
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by prettyinpurple on Jun 12, 2011 8:37 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Oh I don't know about any of that.
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She's working on moving or something along those lines, I think maybe
or she’s been rocketed to the moon herself. I forgot.
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by Andrew Martin on Jun 12, 2011 11:00 PM MDT up reply actions
figures we finally start scoring runs
now we can’t pitch or field
LETS GO RED WINGS!
2011 will be the year....better be....
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I'm going with
all will gel in July August and September through October.
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you forgot a month
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee
November?
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that's the one
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee
I didn't want to be presumptious
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Yep. Good for him.
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OT:L BEST TONY AWARD OPENING NUMBER EVER
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I missed it....
I caught the number from Sister Act and I’ll stop there, because I suspect I’m an hour ahead of you….
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by Junction Rox on Jun 12, 2011 9:32 PM MDT up reply actions
Yep you are.
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Can't believe someone else here was watching!
Also, IAWTC. Hysterical. Good show tonight. Outside of Norbert, there were no real surprises, but now I really, really, really want to see War Horse.
Get your purple on.
Seriously. That is some amazing puppetry
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The acceptance speech about walking through walls was hilarious
as was the lady making the speech about her dresser leaving her next week, and how it was really good news, while she was breaking down in tears.
I didn’t see anything about War Horse, but I would really like to see Sister Act…
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by Junction Rox on Jun 12, 2011 11:20 PM MDT up reply actions
This is what I observed when I was at the game.
Offensively they looked great. They just kept fighting, something that eluded them in
May. The pitching was pretty good other than the fact that Ubaldo was pretty wild. The defense was horrible. Wigginton missed playing a routine grounball, Morales not throwing to first to end the inning, and Brothers nota making the catch made by Helton. That was horrible to see. They really need to get their defense better. I think the best is yet to come. I know for sure that we will get to witness one of the best turnarounds that this team has ever made. Just keep the faith up.
I was there too
The Rockies were snake-bitten today. Ubaldo’s 3rd was awful. But it was a lot of ground ball hits that easily could have or should have been outs. The Ubaldo seemed to fall apart mentally. I’m with SDCat, its all going to gel eventually. Cargo and Tulo will carry the offense, Ubaldo will remember how to pitch and Chacin/Hammel/Street will get enough outs for some big winning streaks.
Dude with a Rockies lovin' 6-year-old
What was interesting about today's game
Is that it looked like the kid pitching for the Dodgers was throwing the way Ubaldo used to. He was fearless, and threw the fastball past people when the opportunity called for it. Where is that bulldog, go right after people mentality. Ubaldo, you have an amazing gift, it’s called a ridiculous fastball, use it.
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good point
I was sadly thinking to myself that it wasn’t the first Ubaldo start I could recall where one guy was laying on the gas and, while erratic as hell, was blowing guys away with crazy heat, while the other pitcher was nickel and diming. It was, unfortunately, the first time I found myself cheering against the guy with the better fastball.
I don't care how many runs you score, bad defense is unacceptable every day of the week
We’ve now lost two games to the Dodgers this series on bad defense. There was a time when the Rockies prided themselves on their defense. Can we please get back to that? Defense in baseball dose not need days off and does not go through slumps. We really can’t afford to give away many more games at this point.
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Agree, but
It’s hardly a surprise, when most (not all, but most) of that bad defense comes from Giambi, Wigginton and EY. We’re carrying terrible defensive players on the roster, and they’re getting playing time because the offense was sputtering so badly until this week.
by Northsider1964 on Jun 13, 2011 5:34 AM MDT up reply actions
its a team-wide issue
I saw Todd, Tulo and Herrerra make awful defensive plays this weekend, in addition to Nelson, Morales and the rest of the guys you mention. Its just “take a look in the mirror” time for the whole squad.
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