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Thursday Rockpile: Coors Field is slumping, but who or what's to blame?

The Rockies as a professional sports franchise rank 8th of 122 by ESPN the Magazine. The rankings are based at least in part on return to the fans of the franchise for money spent. Without a 2011 turnaround (which I still expect, by the way)  I would expect a fairly precipitous drop for the team on next year's list, particularly given that those deviant betting Rockies fans among us are losing more money than those of any other MLB team. This would be a function of the lost home field advantage for Colorado in 2011, where the Rockies remain under .500.

The absent HFA in 2011 has been noted by some as evidence that there were in fact shenanigans at work when the Giants accused the Rockies of humidor malfeasance last season. 

Let me start with three basic points:

 

  1. There is such a thing as a home field advantage for all teams.
  2. Due to their most extreme environment, the Rockies from their inception, even prior to the humidor have had the largest home field advantage in the MLB.
  3. The Rockies to date have no home field advantage in 2011.

 

So right off the bat we know that something's amiss. Eliminate anything you know about the humidor and point #1 and #2 should still indicate that point #3 would be unsustainable. So start with that, that there's something beyond any correction to humidor protocol keeping the Rockies down at Coors Field this season. The author of the linked blog above suggests that there's no other reason he can think of why the Rockies would completely lose a home field advantage, and yet logic dictates that even if the assertions were true, there must be something adding to the Rockies woes.

Just as adding possible suspects lowers the chances of a criminal conviction in court, this last point of something else being involved in turn leads to reasonable doubt that the humidor has anything to do with the missing HFA at all, as if other forces are partly to blame, could they not be entirely responsible? 

So let's go over some other potential suspects in The Case of the Missing HFA:

Star-divide

  • Weather - Changes in temperature and playing conditions will affect some players more than others, and it's going to affect hitters more than pitchers, at an extreme hitting park like Coors Field, this is important to note. The sample from late last September to the end of May is going to have an abnormally high number of games with adverse weather conditions.
  • Personnel - Since the aforementioned linked blog post was written, the team's home batting average has already risen to .273 from .252, beyond some of the other things I'm listing here, it's notable that this coincides with getting two abysmally hitting players at Coors, Dexter Fowler (.227 home batting average) and Jonathan Herrera (.200 at Coors) out of the everyday lineup and replacing them with two players taking advantage of the friendly confines, Charlie Blackmon (.393) and Chris Nelson (.409.) 
  • BABIP Dragons - Herrera's poor plate performance at Coors isn't entirely his fault, just as Troy Tulowitzki's .269 home batting average isn't something you should count on going forward the rest of the year. Before the start of this current homestand, the Rockies as a team had been way below a typical Coors Field BABIP, and while some of that might have had to do with the quality of players on the field, cases like Tulo show that this wasn't always the case. Bad luck has had at least something to do with it, you can't get around this.
  • Small Sample Silliness - Most fans don't realize that the amount of data they use doesn't come close to a sufficient sample to go beyond random noise. Because twelve coin flips in a row land on heads doesn't necessarily point to a coin being weighted. it could just be you got that fluky stretch. If you happened to call that the dozen flips would land on heads, it adds to the suspicion that something's amiss, but it proves nothing, and it could still be random. As far as the odds against, this doesn't come close to that level. The timing of the Giants claim of Rockies cheating and this stretch of the team's HFA dipping to zero is admittedly suspicious, but it's entirely circumstantial.
  • Umpiring -recent study found that a lot of the typical HFA for all sports teams is a result of beneficial umpiring favoring the home team. As somebody who's inclined to believe that there wasn't anything to the humidor claims, this is an area where I think the Giants gamesmanship may have served them anyway, as umpires at Coors Field may be more cognizant now and less inclined to the typical home favoritism. So the Giants can still enjoy the Brian Wilson/Jonathan Sanchez strike zone at their home yard, but because umpires have stepped their wariness up in Denver, the Rockies no longer are getting those borderline calls for Ubaldo Jimenez et al at Coors.

None of this rules out the possibility that the Rockies were trying to game an advantage with the humidor, but without a scrap of hard evidence, without even a credible hearsay witness who claims knowledge that these shenanigans took place, the conspiracy remains an extremely dubious proposition to me. 

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Esmil Rogers has suffered an arm unrelated setback in his injury rehab, with tightness in his ribcage keeping him from making his next one or two scheduled starts. With Juan Nicasio and Aaron Cook pitching well, there's plenty of time to wait on Rogers.

Former Rockies catcher Michael McKenry is getting a shot at the bigs in Pittsburgh thanks to former Rockies manager Clint Hurdle and former bullpen catcher Mark Strittmatter.

Baseball's shadowy realignment plans have been taking speculators various directions, and one possibility has the Diamondbacks as the team will wind up switching leagues. This when the Rockies and D-backs nascent rivalry is starting to get interesting again doesn't sit well with me. Another direction taken in the discourse could be the expanded use of the DH, something which I'm also not in favor of, as I don't believe the DH experience enhances the game in most AL cities. I guess this makes me a realignment curmudgeon and traditionalist. That said though, I do think realignment has to be the precursor to MLB's next expansion, something I expect to start getting discussed near the end of the decade after the Oakland and Tampa Bay situations are addressed.

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1. Ending my suffering as a lifelong 30 year old Bruins fan
2. Bettman getting Boo’ed
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by Rosenort on Jun 16, 2011 9:01 AM MDT up reply actions  

Congrats!

#crosscheckcanucks

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by Muzia on Jun 16, 2011 9:04 AM MDT up reply actions  

I was almost as happy the Canucks lost as I was the Bruins won

The more I got to know that team the less I liked about them.

NO, we are NOT going to fire Jim Tracy midseason!!!!!

The Rockies couldn't be any more offensive or less offensive all at the same time.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 16, 2011 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

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by Muzia on Jun 16, 2011 10:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

SCF

I’m really happy for the Bruins and their organization. I was watching the team with the Cup last night and I had to think of Ray Bourque and his time with the Avalanche. Hard not to root for the Bruins if you’re an Avs fan either. I hate the Canucks as much as the Red Wings nowadays.

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by EssentialCo on Jun 16, 2011 10:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

its crazy

Boston has had a team from the big 4 sports win everything in the past 10 years. That’s really something.

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by Resolution on Jun 16, 2011 7:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

FTFY
That’s really something evil.

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by Yokel on Jun 16, 2011 8:01 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

HFA

I think the absense has mostly to do with the performance of the personnel that Tracy and O’Dowd have been putting out there.

by Blake20th on Jun 16, 2011 8:37 AM MDT reply actions  

I was trying to imply up there that I think blaming the missing HFA on "mostly" anything is a mistake.

I don’t think there’s a majority influence to it. My own opinion is that Rockies fans going your direction are wanting a scapegoat to go down for their frustrations with the season to date, looking for a way to simplify a complex issue. I don’t believe firing somebody will change anything that simply doing nothing and waiting for the weather or BABIP to shift will also change.

by Rox Girl on Jun 16, 2011 8:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

I probably shouldn't have mentioned Tracy and O'Dowd by name.

I don’t want to scapegoat them, nor do I want either to be fired. The point of my post is the performance of the personnel. The Rockies haven’t been performing at the level they have in the past, particularly Stewart, Fowler, and Herrera. I don’t doubt that by the end of the season the Rockies’ HFA will be back.

by Blake20th on Jun 16, 2011 9:00 AM MDT up reply actions  

Which gives me the chance

to link Dave Krieger’s piece from this morning’s Post.

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by rockhead on Jun 16, 2011 9:07 AM MDT up reply actions  

Good article.

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by Thnikkaman on Jun 16, 2011 9:16 AM MDT up reply actions  

My takeaway from the article....

Likelihood of Giambi as future bench coach or hitting coach.

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by Mondogarage on Jun 16, 2011 9:57 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, I'll probably have to go over how wrong he is on Sunday.

The supporting cast, on the whole, has been doing exactly what we would expect any MLB level supporting cast to do. Even Krieger knows he’s wrong, which is why he spends so much time on Ubaldo, as so far the primary reason the Rockies are where they are right now rather than where we expected them to be has to do with his starts. The second biggest reason has to do with how Troy Tulowitzki has hit at Coors Field, and the third biggest reason is Carlos Gonzalez’s lack of power. Next is the absence of Jorge De La Rosa. It’s only after you get past those four, non-supporting cast players that you get to the rest and see that well, as a group they are pretty much who we thought they were.

by Rox Girl on Jun 16, 2011 9:17 AM MDT up reply actions  

And you go and let me know how wrong I am.

Thank you.

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by Thnikkaman on Jun 16, 2011 9:24 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'm particularly discouraged about his calling out Seth Smith for "not being a run producer"

as if Smith, who has 26 extra base hits in 26 plate appearances and is just a Joe Schmoe on the team is somehow more to blame for the Rockies lack of run production than Cargo, who has 23 extra base hits 284 PA’s and is now being paid like a superstar. Smith’s fine, as yesterday showed, the only reason he isn’t producing more RBI or runs are that he’s not getting enough opportunities with Cargo or Tulo in scoring position. The former thanks to a slow down in his power production from a year ago, and the latter thanks to atypical home hitting and stupidity on the basepaths.

by Rox Girl on Jun 16, 2011 9:39 AM MDT up reply actions  

26 - 26 would be pretty cool, though...

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by Junction Rox on Jun 16, 2011 11:08 AM MDT up reply actions  

the denver post is unable to acknowledge any advanced statistical methodology at this time. please try again later.

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fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee

by papality on Jun 16, 2011 7:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

I was waffling as I read it

He’s right, he’s wrong, he’s right, etc. As you noted, the tipper was all the time he spent on Ubaldo. Made me feel like he didn’t quite have it right. Also no mention of CDI and his quietly successful YTD.

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by rockhead on Jun 16, 2011 9:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'm kind of with you here.

I think he makes some good points but some not. Overall though I think it’s a good read, and not completely without merit

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by SDcat09 on Jun 16, 2011 9:43 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it's CDI, Smith, Helton

our entire starting rotation outside of Ubaldo and JDLR that make up for the few misses we’ve had with the rest of the supporting cast. You lump all those performances together and we’re still nearly a .500 team. What’s missing and keeping us from being in the lead in the NL West? Ubaldo. Tulo and Cargo as we’ve known them. JDLR being here to allow Jimenez to go on the DL instead and take pressure off Chacin to be the ace.

by Rox Girl on Jun 16, 2011 9:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

Tulo and Cargo

I’m really starting to think the big contracts they received over the winter is one of the reasons these guys are struggling this year. They have to feel pressure to perform at an all-star level after you receive that type of money, no?

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by EssentialCo on Jun 16, 2011 10:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'm sure they feel the pressure, but I think it's not self defeating. If anything,

I tend to think opposing teams are scouting those two guys far more in depth and figuring out how to beat them.

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by SDcat09 on Jun 16, 2011 10:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

I disagree, because neither of them are really making the big money yet.

Cargo’s making only $1m this year, and Tulo’s making $5.5m.

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by Mondogarage on Jun 16, 2011 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions  

Good point

I didn’t think about that. I’m not that smart at work.

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by EssentialCo on Jun 16, 2011 11:28 AM MDT up reply actions  

Well, I do get your point...

…..to the extent that merely signing the contract could add some pressure. But I suspect it’s not so much the contract they may feel, as it is the expectations of the fanbase.

That said, I really don’t think either is wilting under the pressure. In Tulo’s case, his difficulties seem really just bad BABIP luck. And in Cargo’s case, when he was in the 3 hole, he was whiffing on the same low outside stuff he has been his whole career.

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by Mondogarage on Jun 16, 2011 11:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

CarGo isn't getting BABIP help either

I’m not worried about his ability to hit .300, I’m worried about his power.

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by hjrrockies on Jun 16, 2011 11:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

Cargo has been pretty decent this year

minus that stretch post flu, when our 3B spot puts up a .400wOBA the way Cargo did in May I would be a little quicker to look the Little Pony’s way

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by TomCat009 on Jun 16, 2011 11:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'm worried about his ability to hit away from Coors

NO, we are NOT going to fire Jim Tracy midseason!!!!!

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 16, 2011 11:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

This

is definitely one of my concerns as well.

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by EssentialCo on Jun 16, 2011 3:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

For as much as it feels like they've been struggling

Tulo is currently sitting with an .846 OPS (37th in MLB), and is on pace for 31 homers and 109 RBIs over 162 games. CarGo a .784 OPS and on pace for 22 homers and 92 RBIs. And they’re both continuing to play outstanding defense…

I totally agree it feels like they’ve struggled, but they haven’t exactly entered Stewart/Herrera territory either. Part of that feeling is no doubt the fact that we’re comparing them to the pair that finished #7 & 8 in MLB in OPS last year. There’s a lot of room between a season like that and what most mere mortals would consider “struggling”…

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by Junction Rox on Jun 16, 2011 11:36 AM MDT up reply actions  

I think of what this team would be like

with an effective and consistent Ubaldo, healthy JDLR, and Chacin starting every fifth day, and I start to cry.

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by Rawktober on Jun 16, 2011 12:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

why does it seem like Jason Giambi is the bench coach instead of Tom Runnels?

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jun 16, 2011 9:45 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Maybe because Giambi looks older?

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by waterboy31321 on Jun 16, 2011 9:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

I was kind of thinking the same thing

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by SDcat09 on Jun 16, 2011 10:00 AM MDT up reply actions  

it was getting too hard to justify

having him on the roster as just a pinch-hitter, part-time 1b, so he’s now bench coach.

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by Resolution on Jun 16, 2011 10:06 AM MDT up reply actions  

Runnels

Has a better chance of turning a 3-6-3.

by Northsider1964 on Jun 16, 2011 10:16 AM MDT up reply actions  

Probably because Giambi was available to interview.

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by Yokel on Jun 16, 2011 10:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

This.

He probably does talk about these kinds of things with Tracy et al. But the reason we’re hearing it from him is that nobody interviews Tom Runnels.

by holly96 on Jun 16, 2011 3:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

Probably because Runnels is too busy after the games...

….searching ESPN for reported in-season manager opening rumors.

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by Mondogarage on Jun 16, 2011 3:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

Root does a lot after the games.

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by DAWNMARIE01 on Jun 16, 2011 3:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ah, I don't see postgame.

But I still never see quotes from him in print stories.

by holly96 on Jun 16, 2011 3:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

okay, so I'm sorry for lumping you into a group of fans you're not actually a part of...

I should know better than to do that, so again, my apologies.

Yeah, it would be nearly impossible for a GM or manager to predict Stewart’s drop-off, especially to his 2011 levels. Fowler’s in a similar boat, whereas Herrera’s coming back to earth was probably more predictable, albeit not to this degree at Coors Field. The logic in going after Lopez hoping for a bounceback was sound, and they didn’t keep him too long when said bounceback didn’t materialize. Really the beginning of the season personnel decisions weren’t bad, just mistaken. The fixes have been decent. So while their decisions bear a part of the responsibility for the Rockies current state, they don’t really rise to the level of egregious mismanagement that would make me want to fire somebody.

by Rox Girl on Jun 16, 2011 9:08 AM MDT up reply actions  

I agree that the decisions were not "bad"

and they were most certainly mistakes in hindsight, as you suggest…but I think your statement leaves something out — were they “good” decisions? This is the issue I struggle with. We were a 3rd place team last year and did very little to improve. We are, right now, a 3rd place team. If we finish third again this year, leaving aside all the rhetoric re “talent” and pythagorean jibberjabber, etc, can it really be surprising?

by Teekalong on Jun 16, 2011 10:18 AM MDT up reply actions  

I think this analysis requires more information than what's available to us.

We don’t know the resources of the team, nor who was available via trade or what their cost in prospects was. We know the team made at least some effort to get Michael Young, who certainly would have been an upgrade over Lopez and an improvement. We know that they possibly weren’t expecting JDLR to re-sign, money which presumably would have been spent elsewhere. In trade talks for Young and others we know that Charlie Blackmon and Juan Nicasio were getting far more interest from other teams than Esmil Rogers and Eric Young Jr. Fowler likely could have been dealt, but as I mentioned above, his drop this season probably couldn’t have been forecast, so from the FO’s vantage point, the net exchange of a trade involving him would have had to bring back a pretty solid player I would imagine.

Your labeling “talent” evaluation and pythagorean expectancy as merely rhetoric to be ignored is unintentional irony, by the way, as in doing so you’re actually the one using rhetoric to further your point rather than taking an empirical approach to their value in understanding a team’s position.

by Rox Girl on Jun 16, 2011 10:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

As to the first part

probably true. We’ll never know everything available. But that shouldn’t foreclose the possibility of assuming significantly better moves could have been made. I agree its all speculation though.

As to the latter, I don’t think I said those things should be ignored for all purposes, of course I don’t think that. I was making a statement that the team’s status/performance (just like any team’s) can be evaluated from a billion different angles, but only one matters: position in the standings at the end of the season. And if a 3rd place team doesn’t do a lot to improve…don’t be surprised if you finish 3rd.

Moreover, I think the pythag/talent are entirely separate worlds anyway. Pythag is, what, just a context-neutral evaluation that really isn’t all that helpful in figuring out why you win or lose any given game or, really, any amount of games, right? Just a quick and dirty way of evaluating whether you are underperforming or not, that I’m sure has correlative value, but I’ll hold my breath and wait for it to answer some of the pressing questions regarding this team.

The talent issue is something that is a more legit question and plays in with coaching and any number of things that are critically important — but that we can’t fairly evaluate beyond performance. The ultimate sports fan’s lament. Everybody thinks they are better than their record. Ok, maybe not Cleveland.

by Teekalong on Jun 16, 2011 11:17 AM MDT up reply actions  

I think I'm more combative on the blog today, my spur up there about your rhetoric comment was too sharp.

At any rate, perhaps you weren’t following Jed Hoyer’s comments last season about the Padres. That was a case of a GM on a second place team that thought the Rockies were the better squad in talent than his own. And I don’t want to disparage the Giants, who at the very least had enough front line talent on their team to be competitive and enough back end talent having career years at the same time in 2010 to make them worthy champions. So given this, were the Rockies really a 3rd place quality team in 2010, and if not, how do I explain away them currently being a 3rd place team in 2011?

I don’t buy the Padres as a legitimate 2nd place team in 2010. They lucked into that, their front office knew it, that’s why they were so willing to trade away Adrian Gonzalez and others rather than taking a real shot at 2011. So I’m coming in with the thought that second is where the Rockies “should have” been, but where I think you have a valid point would be to ask why not? What exactly causes swoons like those last 14 games last year or the one just after the ASB, or May this season, and if the root of those slumps hasn’t been identified and weeded out, why would we expect them to disappear?

So here we are in 2011, again the Rockies are in third place to date but facing different issues. Instead of Helton being done, it’s Ubaldo not performing. Instead of Seth Smith not being a starting caliber player, it’s third base being sinkhole. I don’t know what to make of it sometimes, if you’re right, to buy into the Rockies being a true 3rd place team you have to basically accept that Ubaldo Jimenez is really a mediocre pitcher who had a career year, that Carlos Gonzalez is the player that he is now rather than the player that he was last season. The latter one might be true, 2010 was a small sample for Cargo, but I’m really having difficulty swallowing Jimenez as a #3. We’ll see.

by Rox Girl on Jun 16, 2011 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yep

just no easy answers.

I have no interest in starting a debate on this issue, but one final point: to me the Padres were a perfectly legit 2nd place team last year. They cruised past us in the standings. Maybe it was not sustainable over multiple seasons, but they were ahead of us in the standings pretty much front to back last year. Maybe not more talent, but they were a better team…in 2010. Hence my disdain for the easy “talent always wins out” concepts to often thrown about. Its usually the case, but not always (see, SFG, see contra, Miami Heat).

by Teekalong on Jun 16, 2011 11:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

I guess what I'm saying is that luck or no, and where we agree, the Rockies are clearly underachievers

You can’t get around that these last two seasons.
I see it as them giving away 2nd to the Padres last season when Colorado had the means and talent to get there, giving away the entire division so far this year given that SF should be beatable without Posey and Sanchez (although this ignores AZ, who really have a decent squad now). I don’t think this is complimentary, but at the same time I don’t know how you go about identifying where the underachievement stems from. Not enough hog slopping as kids?

by Rox Girl on Jun 16, 2011 12:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

Evidently our hog slopping factor

is waaaay too low. Damn southern california.

by Teekalong on Jun 16, 2011 12:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think this is why Nelson got to "season" so long in C Springs

There were questions as to his character and work ethic (as has been implied here previously), and they didn’t want to over-promote him until those questions were answered. In addition to getting his talent to a major league level, they wanted to get his character at a major league level.

Maybe they’ve learned the lessons from not sending Stewie to slop hogs in Calhan.

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by Yokel on Jun 16, 2011 12:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

Side note if you're a struggling pitcher...

Switch leagues, and then you’ll become an Ace.
Seriously, Felipe Paulino, I want to throw pretzels at you.

by TehChamp on Jun 16, 2011 8:38 AM MDT reply actions  

We got JDLR

It evens out.

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by Yokel on Jun 16, 2011 8:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

Except for the fact that JDLR is on the DL for the year right now

NO, we are NOT going to fire Jim Tracy midseason!!!!!

The Rockies couldn't be any more offensive or less offensive all at the same time.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 16, 2011 8:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

We got Chacin and NIcasio

It evens out.

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by Thnikkaman on Jun 16, 2011 9:01 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'm referring more to the "pitcher nobody wants suddenly turns awesome" thing.

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by Yokel on Jun 16, 2011 9:16 AM MDT up reply actions  

Ahh

Well, then there’s that.

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by Thnikkaman on Jun 16, 2011 9:18 AM MDT up reply actions  

Jason Marquis

I'm gonna change my sig because the last time I did, we had a little winning streak. Then I changed it back, and we started losing again. It's the least I can do.

by prettyinpurple on Jun 16, 2011 9:54 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Matt Belisle

And to lesser degrees, Street, Betancourt, Lindstrom and Hammel

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jun 16, 2011 10:00 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions   2 recs

Man, this has been way better

than when we tried to do this stuff with Kip Wells, Mark Redman, and whoever else

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by Resolution on Jun 16, 2011 10:08 AM MDT up reply actions  

Late-2007 Mark Redman was the best.

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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Jun 16, 2011 12:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

I wish he had an option so we could have stretched him out

I was advocating that with both Paulino and Morales but just couldn’t do it oh well.

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by waterboy31321 on Jun 16, 2011 9:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

I was definitely on board with that for Paulino. Hated that there was no way to send him down

Of course, he could have done himself some favors by winning the #5 rotation spot in ST, over Rogers.

That said, it was one of those deals where we were non-tendering Barmes anyway, so I can see why we took the flyer.

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by Mondogarage on Jun 16, 2011 9:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

Paulino didn't really have a chance to win a rotation spot

He was moved to the pen by the second week of March, before either he or Rogers had a good ST start

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jun 16, 2011 10:02 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

I'd forgotten how soon they moved him out

Well, that’s the one thing I’d put on the coaching staff then, really. However, I’m also pretty certain they would not have moved him out had he shown them much the first three weeks of ST.

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by Mondogarage on Jun 16, 2011 10:04 AM MDT up reply actions  

yeah I was hoping to watch him start in ST

But he had been moved by the tube I got there on the 12th. Instead, I toy Maine, Rogers and Reynolds twice. At the time, I battered Renck with FPs career splits in hopes of finding an explanation to account for them overlooking them, but he didn’t have any to offer.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jun 16, 2011 10:18 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

This is what seemed so odd to me as well

Paulino showed some flashes as a starter, nothing but a train wreck as a reliever. And we had already brought the extra (compared to last year) righty bullpen power arm in Lindstrom. So the whole move to the pen made no sense to me, even before they decided to make him designated tie-game walk-off fodder – a role that will crush the last breath of life out of most any struggling pitcher.

by Northsider1964 on Jun 16, 2011 10:08 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yep

Just a very odd personnel decision. And clearly an unfortunate one, given how it all shook out.

by Teekalong on Jun 16, 2011 10:21 AM MDT up reply actions  

For sure

I am glad they took the chance on him…didn’t work out and you can’t win em all. Def not missing his 95 mph fastball belt high center cut with no movement at the moment. Enjoying Sexy Rexy a little more

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by waterboy31321 on Jun 16, 2011 10:02 AM MDT up reply actions  

is ERA+ something you can really call sustainable or not?

i mean i get what you’re trying to communicate, you’re probably just picking the wrong stats…

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by papality on Jun 16, 2011 7:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

As far as the lack of offense at Coors goes

I’ll offer this piece I wrote last week as in regards to BABIP. The Rockies have their worst BABIP EVER in Coors Field so far this season. That started to change on this homestand and look at the runs that were scored.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 16, 2011 8:54 AM MDT reply actions  

We've also actively started hitting singles rather than always swinging for the fences

It’s amazing what happens when you hit the ball where they ain’t.

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by Muzia on Jun 16, 2011 9:06 AM MDT up reply actions  

But they ain'

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by Thnikkaman on Jun 16, 2011 9:06 AM MDT up reply actions  

Reply fail

But they ain’t in the stands.

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by Thnikkaman on Jun 16, 2011 9:07 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yesterday's sixth inning

was my favorite of the year.

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by Rawktober on Jun 16, 2011 12:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

I thought this was pretty cool.

Nobody Told Chacin That Hitters Love Coors From Elias: Jhoulys Chacin allowed only one run on three hits in six innings in the Rockies’ win over the Padres on Wednesday. Chacin now has a 2.34 ERA in his last 15 starts at Coors Field, the lowest by any pitcher over a span of 15 starts in the 17-year history of that venue. Chacin has held opponents to a .197 batting average over that time, also the lowest for any pitcher in a 15-start span at Coors Field.

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by BittenAnkles on Jun 16, 2011 9:16 AM MDT reply actions   2 recs

Chacin is just so full of so much win.

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by Mondogarage on Jun 16, 2011 9:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

That is awesome.

I'm gonna change my sig because the last time I did, we had a little winning streak. Then I changed it back, and we started losing again. It's the least I can do.

by prettyinpurple on Jun 16, 2011 9:55 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think there is something really important

about growing your own pitchers to pitch in Coors. And that includes having some of them pitch in CS and the PCL. You learn to pitch to contact and to trust your defense, because walking batters kills you in these hitting friendly environments. The Rockies have made significant strides in lowering their walks since they abandoned the free agent pitcher route. The Rockies have shown their ability to survive solo home runs in this homestand (and be crushed by grand slams).

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by Rawktober on Jun 16, 2011 1:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

Oh Rox Girl why did you link that blogger article

I went and read his story and now I wish I had never given his blog the traffic

Just an awful post

by purplesocks on Jun 16, 2011 9:20 AM MDT reply actions  

Humidor Conspiracy

It’s all crap until Jose Canseco writes a book about it

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by waterboy31321 on Jun 16, 2011 9:55 AM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Given how baseballs are handled during the game, I don't see how the Rockies could have been cheating.

Am I missing something? Plus Timmeh said after the “juiced ball” game that the ball he rejected was soft and mushy. That my friends is not a juiced ball from a hitters point of view, but rather one from a pitchers stand point. He should have been on the lookout for extra dry and hard balls.

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by BittenAnkles on Jun 16, 2011 10:04 AM MDT up reply actions  

Dunno, did butterfly hit the big red button on her computer?

The big, red, candy-like button?

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by Mondogarage on Jun 16, 2011 3:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

I regret that I have only one rec to give for this comment

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by Junction Rox on Jun 16, 2011 1:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

I rec'd it again for you.

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by hotdoglady on Jun 16, 2011 1:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

I tried to make a joke, and only came up with banworthy....

So RIRF gets 32 recs instead, and earned them all.

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by Mondogarage on Jun 16, 2011 1:21 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

REC'D....COMMENT OF THE YEAR?

There is nothing like a game of pitch and catch. 40,000 fans in purple and black can't be wrong. What's it amount to? Our Colorado Rockies.
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by Roxman4ever on Jun 16, 2011 10:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

Baseball is the only sport

Where the home team actually has a competitive advantage (last ups). I’m interested to know how much that skews win probability.

From a Rockies perspective, they have not utilized their last ups effectively this season. Aren’t we still without a walk off win?

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by Jeff Francis Day on Jun 16, 2011 10:31 AM MDT reply actions  

A fine point.

How many walk-off opportunities (with the tying run at the plate) have there been, and how many of those would put the home win pct. near the average?

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by Yokel on Jun 16, 2011 10:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

The realignment article is interesting

I hadn’t thought of the likelihood that realignment and expanded interleague play is a Trojan Horse to get the DH into the National League. When someone is always playing interleague, and one team either has a high-paid specialist sitting on the bench, or the other needs to repurpose a 4th OF or toolsy infielder, you have a fundamental disadvantage that would need a fix – and the obvious fix is to make the NL accept the DH.

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by Yokel on Jun 16, 2011 10:33 AM MDT reply actions  

would the number of inter-league games per team really go up to 38 under the proposed realignments?

Right now we only play 15 games against AL teams. Say the Astros move to the AL, add their six games, wouldn’t we only have 21 inter-league games per season?

by purplesocks on Jun 16, 2011 10:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'm generally OK with re-alignment and expanded wild card

but will accept the DH in the NL over my dead body. I had actually thought there was talk of eliminating it before all of this alignment/wild card stuff came up.

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by Rawktober on Jun 16, 2011 1:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

Minor League Teams

I’ve always wondered why the Rockies have 7 affiliates and a team like the Rays has 9. Do the Rays have more players under their control than the Rockies do? Can anyone offere any insight? Thanks!

by Blake20th on Jun 16, 2011 10:47 AM MDT reply actions  

Yes, the Rays do have more players under team control than the Rockies.

For starters, they operate a separate Venezuelan academy whereas the Rockies send their Venezuelan prospects to the Dominican. The benefits of this seem limited at best, as the Rockies produce quite a few more Venezuelan MLB players than the Rays and others who operate teams there do.

On the other hand, I’ve wondered if some young Rockies prospects (Will Swanner, Peter Tago, etc..,) would benefit from an added AZ complex league club before they were shipped off to Casper, as there really seems to be a pretty significant culture shock for a lot of first time Ghosts players. This would add expense, add a couple dozen players to the system who really have no shot at a MLB future (which is what the Rays do, as they don’t really care about people, just efficiency) but it might help one or two who do have potential adjust better to pro baseball.

by Rox Girl on Jun 16, 2011 11:01 AM MDT up reply actions  

The culture shock

is probably mostly due to getting shipped to Wyoming…

by Teekalong on Jun 16, 2011 11:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

Maria barely survived her initial move.

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by Muzia on Jun 16, 2011 11:20 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'm not so sure I made it out ok....

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by hotdoglady on Jun 16, 2011 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions  

well, frankly yes, exactly.

Most of these players are coming from suburbia in warm weather states with affluence and nearby large urban centers to provide the coaching and training infrastructure necessary to get them to that elite H.S. level. This describes Scottsdale and Talking Stick a lot better than it describes Casper.

by Rox Girl on Jun 16, 2011 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

I actually think there's probably a lot to this

I’m born and raised in Wyo, so to me it always seemed “normal” but those concepts were quicly laid to rest when I visited for the first time with my wife, a born-and-raised LA girl. Its a different world culturally.

by Teekalong on Jun 16, 2011 11:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

Minor League Ball has some not-so-good notes on 2010 1st rounder Kyle Parker

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by Muzia on Jun 16, 2011 10:58 AM MDT reply actions  

.254/.339/.353

That’s the triple slash line of a certain Tennessee QB at Asheville the season after he was drafted. Two years later, he was in Coors Field. Not saying that Parker will click like that, but just saying don’t count out a quick rise from here for him just yet.

by Rox Girl on Jun 16, 2011 11:07 AM MDT up reply actions  

He had a great first month and has yet to adapt to the opposing adjustments

I’m not terribly concerned about him at this point, either.

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by Muzia on Jun 16, 2011 11:09 AM MDT up reply actions  

The strikeouts are high, that's the one big thing we knew he would have to work on

But the first 200 PA’s don’t point to development or lack thereof, they establish a baseline from where development can be gauged.

by Rox Girl on Jun 16, 2011 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions  

In other news

Jose Lopez debuts for the Marlins yesterday with a 1-for-3 (double) & walk outing.
Says he “needs to play everyday” to be effective, but the Marlins mgr is quoted as saying he’ll be “in the mix” at 3B & play 2B occasionally. Sounds like his role with the Rockies.

Nothing against the guy, but I sure hope there’s no “Paulino effect” rebound with him. I’d start to worry about a Coors Field curse or something,.

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by maris61 on Jun 16, 2011 11:42 AM MDT reply actions  

I think the Coors Curse is simply regression to the mean

The the FO was too impatient to wait for.

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by hjrrockies on Jun 16, 2011 11:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

you mean our FO

was too sick of losing every game behind bad performances to wait for some possible statistical correction from players with no reputation for being very good?

by Teekalong on Jun 16, 2011 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'm not saying that Lopez or Paulino were #1 options

But players are assets, and the club botched their asset management: giving away two players who were at career-lows in trade value. 14 innings isn’t enough to even BEGIN passing judgement on a player, even if his 200 career innings have a high ERA to them. He’s proven that the Rockies overreacted – he’s been nothing but a strike-throwing machine in KC.

As for Lopez, his BABIP was way too low to be sustainable. Again, I’m not claiming that he should have hit .270+ or anything, but the Marlins picked him up for peanuts. If the Rox had stuck with him for a bit longer, he could have raised his value, netting at least something in a trade.

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by hjrrockies on Jun 16, 2011 12:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

As for Paulino

the asset management issue appears to be starting v. relieving. And given it was really unlikely that they were going to start running Paulino out in the first inning, I don’t blame them for cutting bait. They wanted him as an RP, and he sucks at that job. Maybe (probably) they should have treated him differently in the spring, but that ship is long since sailed.

Lopez was never going to net any real trade value. Nobody wanted him before this season, and he would have had to put together an insane run to achieve some sort of real value. Just a longshot play that didn’t work.

by Teekalong on Jun 16, 2011 12:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

Sometimes, you have to fish or cut bait.

And other more scatalogical cliches.

Getting value would have been nice, sure. But winning games with their replacements is also value, of a different kind. For example, if Brothers is worth what Paulino’s contract was in WAR, it was worth it to cut Paulino loose.

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by Yokel on Jun 16, 2011 12:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

I agree with the sentiment, but why wait when we have better options internally

this year is our best chance ever to win the NL west

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by TomCat009 on Jun 16, 2011 11:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't say ever

Especially when the top performers on the team are Chacin, Nicasio, Nelson and Blackmon.

Though if you also mean “The division will never be this weak again,” yeah, it will never be easier to win the NL West.

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by Yokel on Jun 16, 2011 12:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

The best performances on this Rockies team

Are Jhoulys Chacin, Todd Helton, Chris Iannetta, Seth Smith, Troy Tulowitzki and Carlos Gonzalez I would argue pretty close to being in that order.

I like Nelson at 2B, Wiggington at 3B, and Blackmon in LF 4 out of 5 days and I would like Dex to take EY2’s spot when he gets back. Nicasio, Brothers, and Reynolds all have been a welcome addition but I wouldn’t mind adding a middle reliever or closer if the price is right.

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by TomCat009 on Jun 16, 2011 12:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

Why would we want to add a closer?

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by Mondogarage on Jun 16, 2011 12:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

We've got three.

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by Yokel on Jun 16, 2011 12:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

Because the second half of the Dodgers series

I know that I probably over value relief pitchers, but damned if I don’t hate losing games late and close.

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by TomCat009 on Jun 16, 2011 12:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

Mariano Rivera has more blown saves this season than Huston Street

Yes, he’s had a problem with the long ball, in relative terms. But in terms of save conversion %, Street’s the best closer we’ve ever had in franchise history.

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by Mondogarage on Jun 16, 2011 12:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

Sorry don't trust him

it is irrational, I felt the same way with DLR and Hammel until this year when both seemed to not get rattled the way they used too. I know it irrational but I also don’t trust Betancourt in the 9th.

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by TomCat009 on Jun 16, 2011 12:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

Not trusting Betancourt in the 9th is perfectly rational

For all his strengths, the man has blown up every time a team has tried to make him a closer…

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by Junction Rox on Jun 16, 2011 12:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

And prior to that, "ArthurRhodesosis"

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by Mondogarage on Jun 16, 2011 1:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

there's also the inverse, Rafael Sorianophagia

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by papality on Jun 16, 2011 7:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

DLR stopped getting rattled last year, actually

Betancourt’s unlikely to be used in a closer’s spot…if anything, Lindstrom will be used as closer #2, and Brothers as #3. Lindstrom’s not up to Street’s level as a closer, but he does have something like 52 career saves.

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by Mondogarage on Jun 16, 2011 12:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

I started trusting DLR towards the end of 09

I felt horrible when he hurt the flexor tendon sheath if only because I felt like he was ready to take a big step forward, Hammels was who I didn’t trust untill this year, every time this year I expect him to weave a 1 run lead into a 3 run deficit he gets out of the inning, all of this while getting a career low k/9.

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by TomCat009 on Jun 16, 2011 1:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thing about Hammel is....

….he is who he is. A perfectly adequate #3/4 starter. He’ll give you generally okay outings, a once in a while blowup, and rarely a fantastic game, but rarely a really bad game, either.

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by Mondogarage on Jun 16, 2011 1:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

that 32 innings of scoreless ball last year

was just so tantalizing though, and he is younger than Kazmir so it isn’t like he has be at his peak talent wise. I will say this as a guy who remembers when John Burke was going to save the staff, Jason Hammel as a #4 is a damn nice problem to have

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by TomCat009 on Jun 16, 2011 1:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

John Burke?

I remember when Mark Thompson was going to be his #2.

Yup, I don’t think I want to see Hammel matching up against aces, but I’m completely comfortable with throwing him out there every 5th day through the end of next season. If there was such a thing as a #3.5 starter, he’d be it.

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by Mondogarage on Jun 16, 2011 1:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

Mark Brownson, Doug Million

Garvin Alston, and of course the wonder twins Wright and Thomson. I remember Marvin Freeman turning in one of greatest 1/2 seasons ever in 94(4th in the CY Young) and I remember Thompson, Painter, Ritz, Harkey and the list of sub-par starters goes on and on.

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by TomCat009 on Jun 16, 2011 1:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well, he was the O.G. Cook, after all.

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by Mondogarage on Jun 16, 2011 1:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

the age of the rest of scott kazmir's body is about half the age of scott kazmir's left arm

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by papality on Jun 16, 2011 7:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

I like Lindstrom a lot, and Brothers is a very nice addition

that said I would love to have more BP depth, I just fear going down the stretch with a bullpen relying on Mort or Reynolds pitching any important innings

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by TomCat009 on Jun 16, 2011 1:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

The thing that makes me nervous with street is his first batter splits

The first batter he faces is hitting: .333/.333/.545/.879 off him. He has been able to pitch better after that and wiggle out of the jams to convert the saves but still makes me nervous.

He has gotten better recently as the last time I checked the split the rates were all a little higher. I also am not advocating replacing street, just saying I am a little nervous in the 9th innings of a close game

by purplesocks on Jun 16, 2011 1:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

How does that compare to his career first batter splits?

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by Mondogarage on Jun 16, 2011 1:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

Career: .229/.255/.371/.626

In 09 when he was lights out it matched his career numbers: .222/.234/.429/.663

Last year was even better: .163/.182/.256/.438

Like I said before, his numbers have improved since I last looked at them in May so hopefully that trend continues back to his career numbers

by purplesocks on Jun 16, 2011 2:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

WAR says these six players are our top performers (in order)

Chacin, Tulo, Helton, Hammel, JDLR, Iannetta.

None of these players made my first all-star ballot. Tulo, Helton, and CDI made my Rockies-homer all-star ballot.

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by Rawktober on Jun 16, 2011 1:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

I was largely weighing expectation in my judgement of performance

even if he has been unlucky I am expecting an MVP year from Troy but regardless he has been an all-star this year

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by TomCat009 on Jun 16, 2011 1:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

Tulo's been making up for his somewhat disappointing performance at home while on the road,

and then some. He really doesn’t deserve scrutiny as much as Cargo and especially Ubaldo for the team’s overall record this season. That said, Tulo not hitting as well at Coors Field as we would expect given his performance elsewhere has a lot to do with the lack of a HFA this year.

by Rox Girl on Jun 16, 2011 1:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hmm, wonder if the Biebs is at the root of all this?

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by DAWNMARIE01 on Jun 16, 2011 3:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

Those Canadians

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by prettyinpurple on Jun 16, 2011 4:51 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

It's been great how Nelson has played

But nobody’s a sure thing, and if Nelson had struggled, we would have had 3 replacement-level middle infielders (Nelson, EY2, Herrera). Lopez’s floor was replacement level.

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by hjrrockies on Jun 16, 2011 12:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

And he dug through the basement of that expectation.

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by Yokel on Jun 16, 2011 12:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

I am not saying it wasn't worth the gamble

just that the gamble was not paying off quickly enough.I would rather have Jose Lopez on this team right now than Jason Giambi, even with Giambi showing flashes of OMP. I also would have had the team move EY2 in the offseason and let someone else dream on him.

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by TomCat009 on Jun 16, 2011 12:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure this is the way the Rockies were looking at it

It’s very possible that Lopez was released when he was because they had confidence the Nelson would finally be ready to be an above replacement level player. If their bet was Nelson would be more productive than Lopez for the rest of the 2011 season, then it was probably a good one.

There’s no reason to hold on to Lopez and hope his trade value goes up if you’re confident you have a better option right now.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 16, 2011 12:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

Not sure I agree with this

Lopez was well below replacement in 2010 (wasn’t he the worst player in the league by WAR?) and he was awful this year. How can one have a floor that’s well above how he’s performed for over a year?

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by squalene203 on Jun 16, 2011 12:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

Worst player in the league by WAR would have been Pedro Feliz

Akinori Iwamura and Brandon Wood were next on the list. Lopez was a smidgen above replacement level and better than Ty Wigginton in 2010.

by Rox Girl on Jun 16, 2011 1:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

In other other former Rox new

Mike McKenry went 2-5 yesterday with the Pirates, getting his first career hit and scoring a run.

by Rosenort on Jun 16, 2011 11:47 AM MDT reply actions  

So

I have now heard 3 different people compare Blackmon to Steve Finley, and Kizla was the third. Is that our dream ceiling on this guy?

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by TomCat009 on Jun 16, 2011 11:50 AM MDT reply actions  

he looks really comfortable at the plate...well at least from what I saw yesterday

and he looked pretty smooth in the outfield as well.

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by hotdoglady on Jun 16, 2011 11:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'm waiting for the SABR crowd

to start with the Juan Pierre comparisons…

by Teekalong on Jun 16, 2011 11:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

If he keeps up the Herrera act I will join them

but I thinking the doubles, triples, and occaisonal hr’s will come. Also i fully expect Charlie Blackmon to walk at least once before 100 ABs

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by TomCat009 on Jun 16, 2011 11:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

also has the arm of a male in his mid-20s, not an early teenage girl

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by papality on Jun 16, 2011 7:35 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

that was my impression when I saw him in Scottsdale in March

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jun 16, 2011 1:14 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

take a lap

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by papality on Jun 16, 2011 7:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

So should the Rockies even kick the tires on Scott Kazmir?

Or will some team toss enough money at him to make that a bad idea?

His health appears to be a wreck, but a wreck that’s still only 27 years old. Interesting to see what happens.

by Northsider1964 on Jun 16, 2011 12:37 PM MDT reply actions  

what if he Bartolo's himself?

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by Muzia on Jun 16, 2011 12:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure gaining 100 pounds will fix anything...

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by Junction Rox on Jun 16, 2011 12:55 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

He's gonna come back at 32 as the reincarnation of Livan Hernandez

But until then, no way.

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by Mondogarage on Jun 16, 2011 12:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah his rehab start numbers

were off-the-charts horrible.

The only reason I even raised the question is that with the their only MLB-ready LH starter down for at least a year, the Rockies are probably pretty high on Kazmir’s agent’s call list.

by Northsider1964 on Jun 16, 2011 12:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

Arm dead

plus I hate his style…he’s a high pitch-volume nibbler that will always walk a lot of guys. Just a bad pitcher these days in general, but I think an awful guy for our style and our park.

by Teekalong on Jun 16, 2011 1:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

Kaz needs 12 months of rest followed by 18 months of intense training

before their is a shot he comes back. That would only make him 29 so there is always a chance he does

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by TomCat009 on Jun 16, 2011 12:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

Mets.txt
in 2004, he was considered the top pitching prospect for the New York Mets. While playing for their Double-A team, the Binghamton Mets, he was infamously traded along with minor league pitcher Joselo Díaz to the Devil Rays on July 30, 2004 for Víctor Zambrano and Bartolomé Fortunato.

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jun 16, 2011 2:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

SB Nation needs more mention of Bartolomé Fortunato

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by Mondogarage on Jun 16, 2011 2:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

On the Rockies' 2B situation
8 for 51 in June, and in the month of games since May 14, he has a .599 OPS with one homer. That’s not good for a 34-year-old who’s making $16 million and who only plays defense two or three times a week.

Who is that?

Michael Young.

I think we’ll still with what we’ve got.

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by Mondogarage on Jun 16, 2011 12:37 PM MDT reply actions  

It's a pretty empty BA, though.

I mean, it is what it is, but his season OPS is .776 (which includes his hot start), which is certainly acceptable, but hardly worth giving up anything of value for at this point, just to take on the remaining contract.

Of course, he’s only hitting .258 over the last month, with four extra base hits. I’d rather have Wigginton than that.

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by Mondogarage on Jun 16, 2011 3:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hahah...I really shoulda gone to the game yesterday

Free night tonight, and no game. Truly a crestfallen day!

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by Mondogarage on Jun 16, 2011 12:50 PM MDT reply actions  

Yeah you should have...

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by hotdoglady on Jun 16, 2011 12:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

You should be a photographer or something...

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by Junction Rox on Jun 16, 2011 12:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

heh

this was actually taken with my cellular phone.

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by hotdoglady on Jun 16, 2011 1:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

How do you get wide angle with a cell phone?

I love that shot. My cell phone can’t take a decent picture of anything more than six feet away.

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by Rawktober on Jun 16, 2011 1:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

It's not a smartphone

but yeah…it has a panoramic setting that allows me to take 6 pictures and stitch them into one pano.

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by hotdoglady on Jun 16, 2011 2:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

Dang those are some good seats.

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by prettyinpurple on Jun 16, 2011 12:59 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

10 rows off the field...

20 bucks on stubhub.

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by hotdoglady on Jun 16, 2011 12:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

Okay, now that that photo has fuller stands, I love it more

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by Mondogarage on Jun 16, 2011 1:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

No DH in theSenior circuit ever!!!!!

stupid, stupid idea that comes from AL Fans and Media.

It will never happen, it better not ever happen and if it happens….I dunno, but that might be a deal breaker on me supporting MLB (i know, I know, Bud Selig is scared)

Tradition has its place in baseball. Call it what you want but I personally like the difference between the leagues. No need to fix something that ain’t no problem. I’m sorry AL pitchers get hurt running bases, but you can get killed out walking your doggie too.

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by El Paso Jeff on Jun 16, 2011 1:20 PM MDT reply actions  

I disagree,

But don’t have the energy to argue for it two days in a row.

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by squalene203 on Jun 16, 2011 1:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

Just admit defeat

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by SDcat09 on Jun 16, 2011 1:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

MY FRIEND WAS KILLED, OUT WALKING HIS DOG!!!

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by TomCat009 on Jun 16, 2011 1:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

By a DH driving a porche?

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by Thnikkaman on Jun 16, 2011 1:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

Because Chili Davis kills everybody's dog.

Killing stranger’s puppies is in every standard DH contract, along with performing satanic rites and drinking goat’s blood.

by Rox Girl on Jun 16, 2011 2:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

mmm... Chili Dog....

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by hotdoglady on Jun 16, 2011 2:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

You just killed it.

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by Mondogarage on Jun 16, 2011 2:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

Jose Canseco?

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jun 16, 2011 2:16 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

I disagree too

but don’t see the point in arguing personal preference.

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by dsmba on Jun 16, 2011 2:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that's the tough part about the DH rule

There’s not a “right” or “wrong” to it, just preference. History vs FAST ACTION. Strategy vs “yeah, everyone likes watching the pitcher bunt or flail at 3 pitches”.

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by Andrew Martin on Jun 16, 2011 3:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

Why can't everyone think the same #hivemindrules

What if there weren’t an AL DH?

I think one thing people don’t necessarily take into account is those DHs (Ortiz, Giambi, Dunn, etc….) won’t necessary go away we will just have some horrendous fielding. Of course that just leads to more strategry

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by dsmba on Jun 16, 2011 3:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

Exactly

People act as if Dunn’s been in the AL the last ten years.

What you would see is Harold Baines not sticking around till he’s 43. And you’d see some of the really marginal DH types not have jobs. But mashers like Ortiz and Dunn will continue to have ML 1B jobs as long as they can mash.

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by Mondogarage on Jun 16, 2011 3:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

But then you have to sit Adrian Gonzalez

I just like the idea of being free to get another basher in there. Plus, it can give players “half days off” so they can stay off the field. You don’t think Helton would love to be able to DH twice a week?

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by squalene203 on Jun 16, 2011 4:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

But how many teams really have

“another basher” just laying around on the bench?
It’ll quickly turn into “another 4th outfielder/utility player batting 7th” for many teams.

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by ShadowPenguin on Jun 16, 2011 4:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

which is still better than the pitcher batting

dammit, I said I wouldn’t get sucked into this argument again

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by squalene203 on Jun 16, 2011 4:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

Heh, I hope I won't prolong it

It’s seriously a matter of personal preference.
Having pitchers hit makes a team play so much differently, between pinch hitting, to sacrifices, to manufacturing runs.
The AL simply puts their best 9 hitters in the lineup and lets them go at it, batter vs pitcher all game.

 I prefer watching the NL style of baseball, plain and simple.

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by ShadowPenguin on Jun 16, 2011 4:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

Same here.

It adds an element of strategy to it that the AL is just plain missing – and I think the game suffers because of it.

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by hotdoglady on Jun 16, 2011 4:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

exactly!

No Tracetergery for us to bitch about without it!

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by DAWNMARIE01 on Jun 16, 2011 4:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Tracy making the decision

to pinch hit Spilly for Chacin last night was a perfect example. It just adds another interesting dimension to the game.

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by Rawktober on Jun 16, 2011 5:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

Shhhhhhhhh

Baseball’s not supposed to involve real strategy, it’s supposed to be a video game.

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by Mondogarage on Jun 16, 2011 5:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

No

Then what happens is Boston doesn’t actually trade for Adrian Gonzalez, and Gonzales is playing for some other franchise, because an AL team wouldn’t have some place to just park an extra bat who can’t play for squat in the field.

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by Mondogarage on Jun 16, 2011 4:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

And as for Helton, no.

He’s a 1B through and through. He’s probably old school enough that he doesn’t consider being a DH, being a baseball player.

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by Mondogarage on Jun 16, 2011 4:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

He has to sit once a week these days

With a DH, maybe he sits once every two weeks and DH’s three to four times in that span.

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by squalene203 on Jun 16, 2011 4:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

That doesn't change his likely view about baseball players

And getting Todd one more start every two weeks doesn’t not make the DH an improvement on the game of baseball.

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by Mondogarage on Jun 16, 2011 4:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

walter johnson had to bat (and excelled at it, relatively speaking)

i’m pretty sure today’s pampered pitchers can suck it up and pick up the stick a couple times a night

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by papality on Jun 16, 2011 7:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'd just like to go on the record and say

that nights with no Rockies baseball suck.

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by rockhead on Jun 16, 2011 8:21 PM MDT reply actions  

LOLMETBALL

Lose in 10 to the Braves on a bases loaded balk with 2 outs.

A walk off balk.

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by Mondogarage on Jun 16, 2011 8:40 PM MDT reply actions  

When did they acquire FrankieMo?

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by Junction Rox on Jun 16, 2011 8:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ouch, that cuts deep.

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by Mondogarage on Jun 16, 2011 8:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

yeah, he's hardly paulino

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by papality on Jun 17, 2011 3:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

Only the Mutts

It’s just so sadly hilarious.

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by rockhead on Jun 16, 2011 9:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

Me no like Bruce Bochy:
“I’ll try to be fair, but I’ll be biased, to be honest. If I can get guys from my club on there, I’ll do it. That’s the prerogative you get as manager.”

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by hjrrockies on Jun 16, 2011 9:16 PM MDT reply actions  

In other words

don’t expect many Rockies on the roster. I’d say more, but it would get me banned.

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by rockhead on Jun 16, 2011 9:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

Bloop walkoff in the All-Star game!

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by Yokel on Jun 16, 2011 9:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

Blackmon already has his first national ad!

This was in the latest issue of ESPN the Magazine, don’t know if you can see it all that well in the photo, but Blackmon’s the guy on Tulo’s right. Don’t know who the third one is, maybe Mike Jacobs?

by free7694 on Jun 16, 2011 9:42 PM MDT reply actions  

Ughh, the Giants BABIP there way back into a game

A Sandoval bleeder, a Huff chopper, and a Burrell sac-fly. Gamed tied at 2.

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by hjrrockies on Jun 16, 2011 10:28 PM MDT reply actions  

their way*

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by hjrrockies on Jun 16, 2011 10:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

Punkton'd....

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by Junction Rox on Jun 16, 2011 11:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

you really dont expect it at this point?

the giants are hilarious to watch on national broadcasts of whatever team they’re playing, because the oppo announcers are absolutely mystified by how they continue to win… they just dont get the walkoffbloop

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