The Complete Spring 2011 PuRPs List
After revealing the PuRPs list five players at a time in six installments, it's time to wrap up the fall list by putting it all out at once. So without further ado, here is the full Spring 2011 Purple Row community prospect list:
| Rank | Player | TOT |
| 1 | Wilin Rosario | 1020 |
| 2 | Juan Nicasio | 932 |
| 3 | Kyle Parker | 907 |
| 4 | Tyler Matzek | 891 |
| 5 | Nolan Arenado | 872 |
| 6 | Peter Tago | 860 |
| 7 | Charlie Blackmon | 838 |
| 8 | Rex Brothers | 815 |
| 9 | Christian Friedrich | 777 |
| 10 | Tim Wheeler | 759 |
| 11 | Chad Bettis | 758 |
| 12 | Rafael Ortega | 595 |
| 13 | Chris Nelson | 587 |
| 14 | Jordan Pacheco | 553 |
| 15 | Corey Dickerson | 454 |
| 16 | Albert Campos | 414 |
| 17 | Will Swanner | 399 |
| 18 | Hector Gomez | 390 |
| 19 | Ben Paulsen | 355 |
| 20 | Casey Weathers | 331 |
| 21 | Edwar Cabrera | 329 |
| 22 | Bruce Billings | 214 |
| 23 | Eliezer Mesa | 207 |
| 24 | Josh Rutledge | 198 |
| 25 | Christian Adames | 191 |
| 26 | Cole Garner | 161 |
| 27 | Thomas Field | 153 |
| 28 | Joshua Slaats | 112 |
| 29 | Edgmer Escalona | 111 |
| 30 | Mike Zuanich | 106 |
Thirty-five ballots were cast in this edition of the PuRPs poll, with 30 points being granted for a first place vote, 29 for second, etc. Until a player was named on twelve ballots, his vote totals were modified on a sliding scale to avoid an individual ballot having too much say over the community forecast -- but none of the above players had that problem, as all thirty players on the PuRPs list were named on at least sixteen ballots.
As you can see, Wilin Rosario lapped the field, garning 25 of 35 first place votes. Beyond him, PuRPs 2-11 were grouped in a cluster (and were named on almost every ballot). PuRPs 12-14 were all named on every ballot, but were clearly a step below the top prospects. From PuRPS 15-21 there was a similar vote grouping as well, then 22-30 were pretty nicely clustered as well.Only four prospects on the list were named on less than 22 ballots, so by and large the community seemed to come to a consensus as to who the top 25 or so players in the system were, if not their exact order. In all, 71 players were named on the 35 ballots, with 59 named on multiple ballots and 31 named on at the 12 ballots required to receive full points.
- Others receiving first place votes were Juan Nicasio (2), Kyle Parker (1), Tyler Matzek (2), Charlie Blackmon (3), and Rex Brothers (2). 13 players were named on every ballot and seven more were named on at least 30 of 35 ballots.
- Just missing the PuRPs list were Russell Wilson (84 points), Brad Emaus (69.8), Parker Frazier (47.7), Rob Scahill (38.7), and Rosell Herrera (32.3).
- From last spring's PuRPs list, only Matt Reynolds (PuRP 22) was ineligible due to MLB service time, while four others (all ranked 19 or lower) were left off this fall's list for various reasons, whether it be trade (Michael McKenry, Ethan Hollingsworth) or ineffectiveness (Samuel Deduno, Delta Cleary).
- In all, there were five new names on this list, though none were new to the system. Edwar Cabrera made the highest debut at 21.
- Breaking it down by position, there are twelve pitchers (eight starters, four relievers, four of which are southpaws), seven outfielders (four project in center, three at the corners), eight infielders (four middle, four corner), and three catchers. In all, this list is a good mix of talent, if not long on star power, ranging from rookie ball to MLB.
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I'm pretty happy with this list..
especially when you look at the top 10 or 11 names. They’re all players who can become all-stars for the Rockies.
The Outfield definitely stands out as a position of strength
Maybe one of those players gets moved to 1B later on to take over from Helton.
Also, I sure hope Matzek can turn things around and keep a hold of a top 5 position.
Chris Iannetta would like to have a word..
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jun 20, 2011 12:11 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Not so good that he's not a candidate to move to 1B
He’s no Hawpe, but no CarGo either.
I think Seth can be like a defensive Lance Berkman..
switching between the infield and outfield effortlessly. He is definitely good enough to hold his own in the OF, but his bat makes him valuable at 1b and Blackmon, CarGo, Wheeler and Dex, will provide plenty of defensive presence in the outer lawn.
To answer your question from yesterday about us playing the Tigers again
It doesn’t appear we will face them again this season. :)
Shame, I'd like to see a Cabrera plunking
If he was indeed hotdogging on his HR trot as I thought I saw
by Britbronco22 on Jun 20, 2011 3:24 PM MDT up reply actions
The credibility of the list is hurt
with Matzek at No. 4.
Otherwise, it’s a pretty good ranking, IMO.
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I think you mean "by Parker at 3"
otherwise, I can’t argue with the players either
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Tago at 6, but Campos at 16
Field at 27 as a SS/2B ranked eight spots lower than Paulsen, a 1B that’s not hitting as well. There’s actually quite a bit that’s off with PR’s perception of players this time around.
I said I can't argue with the players present
I said nothing about their placement within the rankings. I think I’ve made my distaste for several of those well known by now.
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The one big omission in my mind is Scahill, he should be in well before Slaats and Escalona,
possibly Weathers and Billings depending on how you value relievers. He’s
I had him at #23 on my list
probably a bit high, but I wanted to give him a bump since he gets forgotten around here
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I was going to add something, sorry.
I was going to say that at the time of the polling, his numbers this season weren’t that dissimilar to Friedrich’s, although he’s fallen off quite a bit as he’s struggled over the last three starts or so. It’s clear that the organization likes him. He’s not in that Friedrich tier, obviously, but he’s likely our most interesting BOR starting prospect right now. Everybody who voted for Hollingsworth or Riordan or similar pitchers in the last poll should have taken a closer look at him.
I campaigned for Scahill's inclusion before the season
and put him in the 21-25 range, iirc. He was one of the last five out.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jun 20, 2011 12:02 PM MDT up reply actions
Had him at 16
Which in hindsight may have been a bit aggresive, but still ..
by Traindogger on Jun 20, 2011 12:42 PM MDT up reply actions
Tago at 6 probably too high
Given our recent experience with the over-hyped and under-producing Matsek and Friedrich, I think it’s a bit soon for Tago to be ranked so high.
And Zuanich at 30 after a four year BA of .333 and a current .366? What’s the guy got to do to get some respect?
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Zuanich is pretty old for his level to be considered a top prospect, and he is repeating at Modesto.
Thankfully for him, he’s forcing a promotion.
Tago is probably too high since many ballots were cast after his dynamite debut. A long road ahead for him and Matzek at this point.
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Okay, this is a bugbear of mine
If a too-old minor-leaguer finally puts it together and becomes, say, a league average MLB player, but only for say 4 years, they may not have heat or trade value or a HOF career but surely they have a very real worth?
Because honestly, the way people talk about older prospects on here they may as well be made to retire on their 25th birthday if they’re not at least knocking on the door.
There's a difference between being a valuable MLB player and being a prospect
Not saying any of these guys can’t contribute, but their age is certainly against them.
If a 26 year old guy is doing the same things as a 23 year old, who is more likely to be advanced? There is more value in the younger guy simply because he is younger.
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Parker I'm uncertain of
It’s hard to figure what the right time period is to evaluate a “swittch to a sport fulltime” athlete. If Parker had played baseball fulltime in college, I’d readily agree his numbers in low-A ball aren’t anything to get excited about. But I don’t think the Rockies would have drafted him no. 1 based only on his college baseball performance. They’re banking on an improvement-from-playing-fulltime factor. When is the question. I think it was Rox Girl who pointed out that Helton’s first-year numbers as a fulltime baseball player weren’t anything to crow about. So maybe the last part of the first full season or the first part of the second season is the proper evaluation time.
If this time next year Parker’s still putting up the same numbers as now, I’ll drop him down quite a bit on my list. Until then, it’s just a guess for me.
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I'm sort of in the same boat.
I don’t want to make the mistake I made with Wheeler and disregard him too soon, but with the two sport excuse, I’m afraid I may go the opposite way and give him too much rope before cutting him loose.
Keep tilting at those windmills, buddy.
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by Franchise26 on Jun 20, 2011 12:20 PM MDT up reply actions
reasons why this won't work
1) even those rating Matzek highly recognize a high bust risk.
2) he is 20, and if he struggles through next year, his window is smaller but not closed. He is all potential, so it will take 5 years or so to know who is “right”
3) pick any prospect in the minors, call them a bust, and you have a good chance of being “right.”
4) you would also have to wear it if presented with a list of older players who you rated favorably who failed to reach the majors.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jun 20, 2011 2:04 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
If Matzek was walking a batter an inning while throwing 98 mph
I’d agree with you. But my low ranking of him (30, down where a lot of people apparently put Zuanich, discounting on-field performance as much as I do off-field hype & “potential”, which most young players have) is based not just on lack of control, but lack of velocity, which began to be reported mid-year 2010 by outside (non-org. & non-PR) sources. Unfortunately, they appear to have been correct. Unlike Friedrich or even Reynolds, who may can refine their pitching skills to be serviceable starters or long relievers despite not throwing particularly hard, Matzek is going to have to throw upper 90s to succeed. He doesn’t seem capable of doing that, though he did when drafted. That’s why I think it’s not too early to predict he’s a bust, and I do think those rating him highly based on draft order, hype, money spent and “potential” are failing to consider the reality that he was drafted as a flamethrower, but isn’t.
Sandy Koufax and Nolan Ryan were as wild as Matzek for years before they “found it” & became ace starters. But they were walking people with 100 mph fastballs and wildly-breaking curveballs, not low-90s garden variety stuff.
2011 Rockies -- what the hell?
Koufax was still walking guys at an unacceptable rate until 25
Matzek was throwing — at best — between 93-95 when drafted. He’s not going to be a fireballer. He’s walking a ton of guys right now, sure, and I’ll gladly drop him when someone not named Tyler Matzek starts beating him.
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sandy koufax was also a top-10 lefty pitcher of all time, and played in front of one of the great defenses of all time
matzek is hardly comparable.
i’d bet good money that in 5 years matzek will be selling insurance somewhere.
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While not nearly as far gone as Maris
I really share his concerns. Matzek is in a bad, bad way (and I say this as a guy that was all-in on his drafting and signing). We know he has all the potential in the world. But he was drafted (ambitiously, for sure) as Kershaw and not as a complete reclamation project. I agree that he needs to be ranked relatively high in the system based purely on what he’s capable of doing…but we need to be real. I think we would all safely bet that the likelihood that he recovers such that he someday earns a big league promotion in a Rox uni seems really, really remote.
In an odd way, right now, it seems like the situation is similar to what what we would have been faced with if Mike Vick had signed with us when we drafted him…sure, no doubt he has the tools to be great, but we gotta teach this kid to pitch, seemingly from scratch. And that ain’t easy.
We could shut him down for the rest of the season, completely rebuild a delivery
have him start the season in Asheville next year, and he could still move through the ranks at a normal pace in time to start in a Rockies uniform at age 24.
I’m not even close to giving up on the kid.
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to continue
Is he currently what we had envisioned when we drafted him? Not even close.
Does he have serious concerns surrounding him? Absolutely.
Then again, he’s 20 and still has great stuff. I’m willing to give him as much time as he needs.
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Does he still have great stuff though?
If he’s low 90s, his stuff ain’t that great.
The point is not that he’s completely done as a possible MLB player. The point is that it seems really unlikely, given what we’ve seen in 2 years, that he currently has a chance to be a MLB player. As with the Vick analogy — anyone with talent has a chance. But the road to the majors is littered with the bodies of cant-miss guys like Matzek.
Obviously we don’t give up on him because there’s no reason to, and every reason not to. But Maris isn’t in the Rox FO/development staff. He’s just a guy calling it as he sees it. And his take is not exactly crazy.
his take isn't crazy in doubting he will make the bigs
Just in rating him lower than 24yo Aball relievers, that’s where I’d take issue
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jun 20, 2011 3:13 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree with you there
as I said a post or 2 above, the guy still needs to be considered an upper-level prospect given the ceiling. And I’m not inclined to quibble with other’s rankings given that I did not do my own. But to me, while ranking him 30 seems overreacting, having him as a top guy seems dubious to me.
to be fair, I put Hector Gomez as my #30 guy
I’ve taken to using the last slot for guys who are on their last legs.
Previous #30? Delta Cleary
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I strongly considered dropping him from 2
But I didn’t like anyone else in that slot, sadly. Parker and Tago have nearly as much risk, and I couldn’t put Nicasio there on the basis of 9 starts. I’ve been back and forth on Arenado since I cast my ballot though.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jun 20, 2011 3:19 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I'd really like to put Arenado at 2
but that will have to wait until the Fall ballot
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I really wanted to put him top 2..
because of his age and hitting ability, but the scouting on his defense had been so negative I had to penalize him for it. Now I’m hearing more positive statements about his work at third, so that will probably influence my fall list. Also I’m hoping to see him in July, if he’s not with Tulsa by then.
He won't be in Tulsa
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jun 21, 2011 12:27 AM MDT up reply actions
Matzek is still one of the top 5 pitching prospects in the organization..
but he’s no longer the Ace of the organization. This poor start has pushed back his development time allowing others to leapfrog him.
Agreed.
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I wonder about this, actually, if it's true or not.
As the same was said by pundits in the post Ubaldo system when Chacin was coming up, because of his low K rate, and even the way Nicasio was overlooked prior to this season. The Rockies pitching development staff clearly doesn’t care about the kind of stats and performance other systems do. They do not teach their pitchers to try to strike batters out, but preach pounding pitches low in the strike zone. They also tend to develop their Latin pitchers very slowly, Chacin was an exception, and we’re even seeing that same methodical approach to pitchers like Tyler Gagnon, and probably it seems Tago.
At any rate, I guess that I’m saying that I believe Tago and Campos are better pitching prospects than their stats at Asheville indicate, and both could be much better, as could a few L.A. or H.S. pitchers scattered through the short season and Dominican leagues and that the Rockies might have one more ace up their sleeves after all, I wouldn’t gamble against them at this point.
From a system development standpoint, sure
they may have more than one ace.
But who is it? If you asked five different people, you’d likely get five different answers. There’s no cut and dry Top Pitching Prospect currently in our minor league system
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I didn't realize that this was an ideal thing, to have a consensus ace
I would think a situation like Arizona’s, where you have four or five legit TOR potential starters to argue over but still no consensus “ace” of the system, would be the most desirable. Not that I would want the Rockies to do what the D-backs did to get to this point, though.
I'm not arguing good or bad
It just seems to be where our system is currently. It’s a transition year in many regards.
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Nicasio and Chacin were the aces..
and they’re only a year from both being in the minors. Just because they graduated doesn’t mean an automatic successor is ready to step in.
Can this article get bumped? It’s too interesting a discussion to let it fall off the front page.
I share Maris' concerns
We have different ways of rating prospects, but I have never disregarded his opinion.
I have admitted many times that Matzek is in trouble as a top prospect. He’s not a “can’t-miss guy” any longer.
But our viewpoints on his future career are widely different.
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no high school pick is a can't miss guy in my opinion
It always bothers me when fans post “mustchangepants” comments that include assumptions of every top prospect reaching their ceiling.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jun 20, 2011 3:16 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
his K rate remains his only hope
but it’s artificially high, just like james shields’s was last year. he’s not just walking people, he’s giving up dingers and hits left and right… HR/9 of 1.36 at A+ and 2.00(!!) at A, BABIP of .330 and .429(!!) respectively… the kid is getting shelled, and at some point you gotta get real about it.
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and to add to that
“wild” isn’t a bad way to rack up strikeouts. But its impossible to take the Ks seriously when they are bookended by BB every time.
the velocity is a moderate concern
I first heard of velocity loss last Sept (the earliest I’ve traced such a claim) but did not find a secondary corroborating source, so I did not report it. We most certainly covered the multiple such claims in March. But this isn’t a drastic drop. He wasn’t drafted to throw 100mph, just mid 90’s.
When he was demoted to Asheville, he was sitting 92-94mph. The list of mlb LHP that throw harder than that is extremely small. My rating of Matzek second is not out of ignoring his struggles, but more of trying not to overreact to one year’s worth of struggles. That ceiling is unchanged. All young players have “potential,” you are right, but few to none have the ceiling Matzek does if it all clicks, even with slightly less velocity.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jun 20, 2011 3:09 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm actually going to defend your ranking of Matzek, even though I disagree with it.
His struggles are to such a degree that people who are jumping off the boat have every reason to be. I’m giving him more leniency because I like being patient and he’s got a ton of natural talent, but he’s going to have to go on a relatively unprecedented path (as others have said, not out of the realm of possibility for LHP’s, however) to get back to his draft promise.
Is there any way we could push for an interview with Matzek?
Or do the Rockies control what prospects do and say wrt the media? It occurs to me the one person I haven’t seen commenting on Matzek is Matzek himself.
he's actually mute, so...
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He talked to the Modesto Bee at times this season while he struggled,
I really don’t know if there’s much to get from those interviews other than that his delivery is messed up, which we already knew, and that he’s working to fix it, which we want to know, but what else would he say? I’m really not sure what benefit a PR (initials used in multiple senses) interview would accomplish, what knowledge you want to see come from that.
40 man roster
Seems like a handful of the above will need to be added to the 40 man after the season. Could make for some interesting choices/omissions. Like do you put A Campos on the 40 given his age/level?
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Cook, Giambi, Spilly all should be gone after this season
Pagnozzi, Roenicke, Greg Reynolds, Rohlinger are all unlikely to stay on the 40 man before the draft.
We should have plenty of spots open to protect players this year.
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I am assuming you are thinking no FA signings next year?
Numbers 9, 12, 21, 23, 27, 30 and maybe 25 will need to be added, not too mention other fringe guys. I don’t see any of them being in the Majors anytime soon for the Rockies. Just saying it could make for some interesting decisions.
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We could have anywhere between 8-10 open spots on the 40 man by the end of the season.
There’s some intriguing names that are eligible this coming year, but we also have plenty of space to protect the guys we really want to keep.
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