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Rockies Waste Wigginton's Two Homers in 6-4 Loss

Everything was right with the world if you were a Rockies fan heading into the bottom of the fifth inning. The Rockies had pushed across three runs on Ivan Nova and the Yankees, two on solo HRs by Ty Wigginton (11) and Chris Iannetta (10). Juan Nicasio was pitching out of his mind, retiring everyone he faced for the first 4.1 innings. Then he came back to earth, first allowing a single and back-to-back homeruns to tie up the game, and the Rockies fell down with him.

After Wigginton homered again (his 12th overall and 7th in June) in the top of the sixth, Nicasio allowed the first two men he faced in the sixth to reach base and then was pulled after only 84 pitches for Matt Belisle, who allowed the tying run to score on Nicasio's behalf. Then in the seventh, Belisle (5-3) allowed the go-ahead run with an assist to Troy Tulowitzki, who booted a double play ball that would have ended the inning. A homer off of Matt Reynolds to lead off the eighth made it a two-run deficit, and that was all she wrote -- as the Rockies went meekly, oh so meekly into the night with five strikeouts in their last six at-bats.

With the loss, Colorado dropped the series to New York and saw their series-winning streak snapped at four while moving back under .500 on the season. They'll play a make-up game tomorrow afternoon against the Cubs, followed by more interleague play, this time at home against the White Sox.

Star-divide

If you can't tell, I'm getting sick and tired of writing game wraps after losses -- this is the Rockies' tenth loss in a row when it's my turn to write. On the other hand, they're 3-0 when I attend in person, so maybe I should be  more of that instead of writing game wraps.


Graph: And what an ugly thing it is

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via www.fangraphs.com

We Salute: Wigginton (.246 WPA), Iannetta (.141), Nicasio (pre 5th inning edition)

We Are Disappointed In: Nicasio (post 4th inning edition, -.187 WPA), Giambi (-.162), Belisle (-.146), Tulowitzki (-.143), Charlie Blackmon (-.112) 

Oh by the way, the top five in the Rockies' lineup were 0-16, the bottom four were 7-16.

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Yeah, that's a pretty ugly graph

At least we won one on Friday.

And I’m glad I went to the first two games of this series, even with Tracy’s lineup yesterday, because listening to Michael Kay today on YES was unbearable.

by moomacher on Jun 26, 2011 3:49 PM MDT reply actions  

They pretty much have to play .600 ball the rest of the way

To have a remote shot at the playoffs.

Rocktober is not a time of year, it is a religion.

by hjrrockies on Jun 26, 2011 3:50 PM MDT reply actions  

yea

playoffs ain’t happening.

by Truth Speaker on Jun 26, 2011 4:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

Boy, good thing they actually play the games, isn’t it?

"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton

by Franchise26 on Jun 26, 2011 5:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

Same explosion that would happen

If Russ and Rox Girl were in the same place at once, I think.

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by Yokel on Jun 27, 2011 7:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

great, we'll see you in 2012 then

"We have done everything possible to be set for this day, for this season. It's time to go. We are ready. I can promise you that." - CarGo

by Mondogarage on Jun 26, 2011 6:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't think the division will necessarily be won with 89 games

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Jun 26, 2011 5:10 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think the Giants have a decent shot at 90+

Rocktober is not a time of year, it is a religion.

by hjrrockies on Jun 26, 2011 5:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think they'll collapse and finish 3-4th.

"I need to think something lasts forever, and it might as well be that state of being that is a game; it might as well be that, in a green field, in the sun."

by GreenField on Jun 26, 2011 5:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

fixed
I think they’ll collapse and finish 3-4th.

lose every remaining game and be demoted to a AAA team.

the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox

fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee

by papality on Jun 26, 2011 6:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

I like it.

Seriously though… after losing Sanchez and having NO offense… I will again be SHOCKED if they make it.

"I need to think something lasts forever, and it might as well be that state of being that is a game; it might as well be that, in a green field, in the sun."

by GreenField on Jun 26, 2011 6:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well, the Padres' luck didn't fully run out until the final game last season...

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by Paleface Destro on Jun 26, 2011 6:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm not quite sure I understand this line of thinking

Yes, the Giants are on pace to win 91 games as of right now but they have only achieved that status through a concoction of smoke and mirrors that I don’t see lasting through the summer. Perhaps the most telling stat of all is that their record currently sits ten games north of .500 despite having been outscored by their opponents 269-265 on the season.

In order to belive that the Giants have a good shot at 90+ wins, one of the following things need to be true……

1) You believe the Giants will dramatically improve their run differential and outscore opponents by about 40 runs the rest of the way.
2) You expect the Giants to continue playing .564 baseball despite being outscored by their opponents.

Both of these scenarios seem flawed to me. For scenario #1 to be true, the Giants would obviously have to get more production out of either A) their rotation, B) their bullpen, or C) their lineup; and I’m just not sure how any of those things are gonna happen.

A) Their big four in the rotation coming into the seaosn (Lincecum, Cain, Sanchez, and Bumgarner) have all had immaculate health, all pitched at least 89.2 innings, and all have ERA’s under 4.00. Add in RYAN FREAKING VOLGELSONG’S MLB LEADING 1.86 ERA (For all pitchers with at least 70 IP), and that rotation is not getting any better.

B) The Giants have FIVE GUYS in that bullpen with an ERA of 2.50 or less and have yet to lose a game in which Brian Wilson has blown a save. That bullpen is not getting any better.

C) Sure the Giant lineup has plenty of room for improvement but even if they find help, they first have to make up for the loss of Posey and Sanchez. (Those 265 runs they have scored so far this season were with Posey in the lineup through the end of May and Sanchez in the lineup until a couple of weeks ago.)Getting Sandoval back will help but he’s not that much of a difference maker. Without a major addition on offense, the Giant lineup is likely to be worse during the second half of the season than it was in the first.

………………………………………………

For scenario #2 to be true, things get really sticky – because if it’s valid for us to EXPECT a team to have a record well over .500 despite being outscored by its opponents, then we have just blown a gigantic hole in one of the sabermetric boats. Sure the 07 D’Backs won 90 games while being outscored by it’s opponents by 20 runs over the course of the season – and sure some teams are designed to win the close ones a little more often than normal, but under no circumstance will I EXPECT the Giants to reach 90+ wins with the current level of production they are getting out of that team.

NO, we are NOT going to fire Jim Tracy midseason!!!!!

The Rockies couldn't be any more offensive or less offensive all at the same time.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 27, 2011 10:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

Can we not find someone to take Aberle's Sunday assignment?

I’m tired of him ruining my weekends! ;-)

"Your classless organization in your unholy city accused our Team of an unspeakable act. It was baseless, the Giants are classless, and I have no sympathy for your eternal damnation."

by RdRnnr on Jun 26, 2011 3:50 PM MDT reply actions  

You and me both, man. You and me both.

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by Jeff Aberle on Jun 26, 2011 3:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

You just came in to tell him.

;-)

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by Mondogarage on Jun 26, 2011 9:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

It's a shame Belisle has to take the loss

Because he really made excellent pitches. For all of Tulo’s greatness as a defensive SS, he still plays matador on those sharply hit bouncers instead of getting “big” in front of them. What a costly error.

Not a Yankee fan, but I can’t help but be in awe of Rivera. He’s simply the best there’s ever been.

by Northsider1964 on Jun 26, 2011 3:51 PM MDT reply actions  

Angels score; up 1-0 in the 7th.

Some beautiful baserunning this inning.

"Your classless organization in your unholy city accused our Team of an unspeakable act. It was baseless, the Giants are classless, and I have no sympathy for your eternal damnation."

by RdRnnr on Jun 26, 2011 3:55 PM MDT reply actions  

Tied at 1

"Your classless organization in your unholy city accused our Team of an unspeakable act. It was baseless, the Giants are classless, and I have no sympathy for your eternal damnation."

by RdRnnr on Jun 26, 2011 4:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

2-1 Angels

Vernon Wells solo homer.

"Your classless organization in your unholy city accused our Team of an unspeakable act. It was baseless, the Giants are classless, and I have no sympathy for your eternal damnation."

by RdRnnr on Jun 26, 2011 4:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

That's top of the 9th, 2 out...

"Your classless organization in your unholy city accused our Team of an unspeakable act. It was baseless, the Giants are classless, and I have no sympathy for your eternal damnation."

by RdRnnr on Jun 26, 2011 4:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

Grrrr...

Doggers win 3-2

"Your classless organization in your unholy city accused our Team of an unspeakable act. It was baseless, the Giants are classless, and I have no sympathy for your eternal damnation."

by RdRnnr on Jun 26, 2011 5:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'll repost this here

TB 14- Hou 10 bottom of the 4th quarter

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by SDcat09 on Jun 26, 2011 3:57 PM MDT reply actions  

What record "gets it done" next week?

I’ll take 4-3, if only for the sake of being at .500, but I think it needs to be 5-2.

Rocktober is not a time of year, it is a religion.

by hjrrockies on Jun 26, 2011 3:58 PM MDT reply actions  

7-0

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by RoxFan1701 on Jun 26, 2011 4:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

I called the loss to my wife

When Wigginton hit his first homer.

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by Yokel on Jun 26, 2011 4:13 PM MDT reply actions  

Poor guy can't win for losing

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by SDcat09 on Jun 26, 2011 4:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

Didn't we lose after his last 2-HR game as well?

I mean, I love seeing that Wiggy has pop, but not if we’re going to lose every time he shows it off.

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by KelseyC on Jun 26, 2011 5:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

Rockies are 2-8 when Wigginton homers

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by jrockies on Jun 26, 2011 5:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ouch.

Poor guy. He turns it on, everyone else turns it off. >.>

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by KelseyC on Jun 26, 2011 5:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

Sad to say this is a good team

But not a playoff team without better starting pitching.

The pen is getting chewed up by going day after day without a break and the offense can get kicking but not when they are constantly in a hole.

Cook needs to be gone. And Hammel needs to get his act together again ASAP. Promising signs from Ubaldo and Chacin lately but i knew the season was pretty much over with Jorge went out. It is looking more that way day after day.

by CarRo2010 on Jun 26, 2011 4:38 PM MDT reply actions   2 recs

Not gonna lie...

You fans that are giving up before the All Star break sicken me. So what if we’re 5 games out? We just played three tough AL teams and went 5-4. That’s NOT bad. The Rockies have plenty left in the tank, and as soon as we heat up, things could get a LOT closer!

We do need a leadoff hitter so that Gonzalez can drop down in the lineup…

1.
2.
3. Helton
4. Tulowitzki
5. Gonzalez
6. Smith
7.
8.
9. P

Some of you may not like this idea, but I’m thinking we should put Smith on the trade market for a mid-rotation pitcher. His value is HIGH right now, and we have plenty of OF depth in the minors.

"I need to think something lasts forever, and it might as well be that state of being that is a game; it might as well be that, in a green field, in the sun."

by GreenField on Jun 26, 2011 5:03 PM MDT reply actions  

Uhhh, Seth Smith has been our best hitter

So while I do like “selling high,” I would think that the Rockies would be losers in a deal for a mid-rotation starter.

Rocktober is not a time of year, it is a religion.

by hjrrockies on Jun 26, 2011 5:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

Have you not seen our OF depth in the minors?

Heck… put EYJ up for trade as well.

"I need to think something lasts forever, and it might as well be that state of being that is a game; it might as well be that, in a green field, in the sun."

by GreenField on Jun 26, 2011 5:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

Who are you thinking of OF depth?

The AAA outfield is currently Willy Taveras, Cole Garner and Dexter Fowler while AA we have Wheeler and Beerer. I don’t consider that a strength to get rid of Smith at this point. EYJ can be gone for all I care.

"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
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by jrockies on Jun 26, 2011 5:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

I believe this team needs another pitcher after losing De La Rosa...

and Smith seems like the only logical way to get one. We have plenty of depth in the OF minors to make it happen in Wheeler, Beerer, Garner, Paulk.

"I need to think something lasts forever, and it might as well be that state of being that is a game; it might as well be that, in a green field, in the sun."

by GreenField on Jun 26, 2011 5:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton

by Franchise26 on Jun 26, 2011 5:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

none of those

guys could replace the production of Smith though, and it’s not even close.

"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK

by jrockies on Jun 26, 2011 5:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

Again... it's not about replacing Smith.

It’s about replacing DLR

"I need to think something lasts forever, and it might as well be that state of being that is a game; it might as well be that, in a green field, in the sun."

by GreenField on Jun 26, 2011 5:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

You can't fill one hole and make another though.

"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK

by jrockies on Jun 26, 2011 5:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

Come season end...

Hitting is NOT going to be our weakness.

"I need to think something lasts forever, and it might as well be that state of being that is a game; it might as well be that, in a green field, in the sun."

by GreenField on Jun 26, 2011 5:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

Trading the team leader in OPS would go a ways towards assuring it would be.

"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton

by Franchise26 on Jun 26, 2011 5:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

subtraction via subtraction...

trading smith is not the herrera

the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox

fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee

by papality on Jun 26, 2011 6:35 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

I have spent tons of time looking at our outfield depth, and I don't love what I see in terms of MLB-ready talent

Nobody with Smith upside is ready, and to be honest, nobody with Smith upside is on the radar for a full time job even in 2012.

Garner is not a ML starter. Doesn’t take enough walks, would strike out a lot at the big league level.

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by hjrrockies on Jun 26, 2011 5:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

Overvalued?

What don’t you like about .315+ with power and defense? He was 1-for-1 off of Sabathia, didn’t even look overmatched.

Rocktober is not a time of year, it is a religion.

by hjrrockies on Jun 26, 2011 9:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

What's sad..

is Tracy has given up on Smith against lefties. He’s biased and it will never let Seth succeed in those types of situations.

by Charlie77 on Jun 26, 2011 9:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

Not true.

In one of Renck’s articles today he specifically mentioned that Tracy said he is going to get Seth in there against more lefties, just maybe not the really elite ones.

by holly96 on Jun 26, 2011 9:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

Oh?

Is Tracy finally realizing Seth is a ‘Special’ player?

by Charlie77 on Jun 26, 2011 10:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'll only believe it when he says he's very special

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by SDcat09 on Jun 26, 2011 10:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

Charlie77: Jim, what do you think of Seth Smith?

Tracy: Well Seth is a very ‘Special’ player, against RH pitchers and when he doesn’t play more than 3 days in a row.

Charlie77: But Seth’s been your best hitter this year, wouldn’t you like to use his strengths in more games?

Tracy: Well Spilly is a very ‘Special’ player, and so is little EY.

by Charlie77 on Jun 26, 2011 10:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

Dude's gotta get a shot someday

And it’s not like CarGo is killing lefties either this year

Rocktober is not a time of year, it is a religion.

by hjrrockies on Jun 26, 2011 9:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

Somehow I don’t think trading the team’s best hitter is the cure for what ails them. Could just be me.

"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton

by Franchise26 on Jun 26, 2011 5:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

Right now probably not

but I wouldn’t be to opposed to shopping him this offseason when his value should still be pretty high.

"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK

by jrockies on Jun 26, 2011 5:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

Do we really have other corner OFs with power?

While I like Blackmon, he hasn’t shown any. Carlos is staying in CF for at least a while. Show me some near-MLB-ready guys with some pop, or I’m holding onto Smith for dear life.

As for the 5-4 week against good AL teams – that’s true, this hasn’t been a bad week or a bad road trip. But the horrible month of May and the declining effectiveness of the back end of the rotation left little margin for so-so play, and that’s why there’s not a lot of sand left in the hourglass. Need to run off a string of wins before the Atlanta series, or it doesn’t look good.

by Northsider1964 on Jun 26, 2011 5:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

Exactly

"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK

by jrockies on Jun 26, 2011 5:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yes...

Wheeler
Beerer
Garner
Paulk

"I need to think something lasts forever, and it might as well be that state of being that is a game; it might as well be that, in a green field, in the sun."

by GreenField on Jun 26, 2011 5:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

Michael Paulk and Scott Beerer? Come on, son.

"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton

by Franchise26 on Jun 26, 2011 5:14 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

It's not about having some super star OFer bud...

It’s about getting another pitcher that’s gonna get some wins for this team “son”.

"I need to think something lasts forever, and it might as well be that state of being that is a game; it might as well be that, in a green field, in the sun."

by GreenField on Jun 26, 2011 5:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

Adding a mid-rotation guy and a Michael Paulk-type and subtracting Aaron Cook and Seth Smith is not a net gain for this team. Not the way Smith is swinging.

"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton

by Franchise26 on Jun 26, 2011 5:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

Only if the Phillies throw in a couple replacement non-bulging discs and an orthopedist

"We have done everything possible to be set for this day, for this season. It's time to go. We are ready. I can promise you that." - CarGo

by Mondogarage on Jun 26, 2011 9:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

Full of win

"We have done everything possible to be set for this day, for this season. It's time to go. We are ready. I can promise you that." - CarGo

by Mondogarage on Jun 26, 2011 10:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

i enjoy this image

the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox

fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee

by papality on Jun 27, 2011 4:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

Would those

cover Helton too for the next couple years?

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"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK

by jrockies on Jun 26, 2011 10:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

One of those

could be an everyday MLB player

"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK

by jrockies on Jun 26, 2011 5:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

and his name is tim wheeler, and it wont happen until late 2012 at the earliest

the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox

fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee

by papality on Jun 26, 2011 6:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

and even then, it's quite possibly not right out of spring training, either.

"We have done everything possible to be set for this day, for this season. It's time to go. We are ready. I can promise you that." - CarGo

by Mondogarage on Jun 26, 2011 6:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

I tend to agree with you on Wheeler

He’s showing some legitimate power in Tulsa, which doesn’t seem to be the hitters’ haven that either Ashville or Colo Springs are. I can’t see the other guys having a lot of extra-base pop in the majors, though.

I don’t dismiss your thought, however. You have to give up something to get something, and this is at least a refreshing change from, “Let’s package three guys we’ve given up on, and swap them for Anibal Sanchez!!!”

by Northsider1964 on Jun 26, 2011 5:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ok this I like...

I give an idea, and instead of totally shutting me down you are actually adding to the conversation. Thank you.

What other starters might be on the trading block that we can think of? (if we packaged say… Smith, EY2, prospect)

"I need to think something lasts forever, and it might as well be that state of being that is a game; it might as well be that, in a green field, in the sun."

by GreenField on Jun 26, 2011 5:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

I agree with you that something needs to be done

if we want to push this year. I’m just not entirely sure we should do so at high cost. This team might hang around, but doesn’t really seem to be a playoff-quality team. Trading a potentially very good (and still young) player for a stopgap doesn’t jive for me. Now, if we get a similar talent in return, maybe move Smith. But not just to try to push for 90 wins.

by Teekalong on Jun 26, 2011 6:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

Honestly I think we should look for an attractive buyer for Lindstrom

He’s been great for us, but if we can make a depth move and grab a low-ceiling but MLB-ready 2nd baseman for him, I’m all for it.

Rocktober is not a time of year, it is a religion.

by hjrrockies on Jun 26, 2011 7:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

Crap we have that in Nelson

Rocktober is not a time of year, it is a religion.

by hjrrockies on Jun 26, 2011 7:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

nvm

2nd base is pretty much a punt position anyway

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by hjrrockies on Jun 26, 2011 7:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

If THAT'S the package

I want at the very least Wandy Rodriguez

by free7694 on Jun 26, 2011 7:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

And a wee bit of salary relief.

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by Mondogarage on Jun 26, 2011 7:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Anyone getting Smith, EY2 AND a prospect is also taking Cook’s contract off our hands

by free7694 on Jun 26, 2011 7:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

I was also thinking more Dex, EY2 and a prospect

Giving up Seth this season in any trade hurts us.

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by Mondogarage on Jun 26, 2011 7:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

On the other hand, as I've said, having Cargo, Seth, and Blackmon...

…together with Helton and say, Stewart, makes us too left-handed a team.

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by Mondogarage on Jun 26, 2011 7:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

In the long run I highly doubt Smith will be our best hitter...

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by GreenField on Jun 26, 2011 5:07 PM MDT reply actions  

Meant to reply to hjrrockies...

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by GreenField on Jun 26, 2011 5:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

In the long run I doubt a mid-rotation pitcher would out-produce Seth Smith

I think Seth Smith is a 125 OPS+ hitter, so unless you can find me a healthy 200 IP+ 125 ERA+ pitcher that’s available, I don’t want to move him.

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by hjrrockies on Jun 26, 2011 5:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

While I want to trade Smith for a quality pitcher...

I do agree with you… the pitcher would have to be very good.

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by GreenField on Jun 26, 2011 5:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'd trade CarGo and Smith for Bautista and Romero

If I wasn’t so attached to Tulo, I’d trade him in heartbeat

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by hjrrockies on Jun 26, 2011 6:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

Tulo for Halladay

Just typing that felt like I was trying to make a deal with the devil…

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by Lost Winter on Jun 26, 2011 8:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

All this trade Seth Smith talk is rediculous!

He is a 2.4 fWAR player this year..to put that in perspective we would have to receive one of the following pitchers in return to receive a better value than what we’re giving up:

Roy Halladay 4.2
Jered Weaver 3.7
Cole Hamels 3.6
Justin Verlander 3.6
CC Sabathia 3.5
Cliff Lee 3.3
Clayton Kershaw 3.1
Felix Hernandez 3.1
Daniel Hudson 3.1
Dan Haren 3.0
David Price Rays 2.8
James Shields 2.7
Tim Lincecum 2.7
Jaime Garcia 2.6
C.J. Wilson 2.5
Justin Masterson 2.5
Jordan Zimmermann 2.5
Josh Beckett 2.5

by Charlie77 on Jun 26, 2011 9:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't mind most of those

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by jrockies on Jun 26, 2011 9:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

Only if we get Jodie Sweetin in return

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by Mondogarage on Jun 26, 2011 10:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

Oh snap, I had no idea

But that kinda looks more like a three-fer!

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by Mondogarage on Jun 26, 2011 10:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

Charlie's on FIRE

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by Mondogarage on Jun 26, 2011 10:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

Not to mention that he's sat out so many games

If he just played 10 more games, he could be around 3 WAR, limiting it to Dan Haren and up.

In other words, Seth Smith has been as valuable as a legit ace this year, based on pro-rated playing time.

Rocktober is not a time of year, it is a religion.

by hjrrockies on Jun 26, 2011 9:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

That's amazing when you put it like that..

Consider this time last year Carlos Gonzalez had a similar OPS and finished with a 6.6 fWAR. I wonder if Seth will finish close to that?

by Charlie77 on Jun 26, 2011 9:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

Not enough playing time

If he posted this rate of WAR/Game for the last 89 games, he would have a 5.8 WAR campaign.

CarGo was a better hitter last year with time in CF (i.e. more positional value). Smith is liked more by the defensive metrics, but that doesn’t outweigh the 10 runs per 700 PA advantage between RF and CF.

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by hjrrockies on Jun 26, 2011 10:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

Wait, Smith is rated higher defensively than CarGo?

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by SDcat09 on Jun 26, 2011 10:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yes...

Kinda…

UZR is murky, because it’s trying to create a true-talent estimate based on performance, not record run values of actual performance. So, differences in batted-ball sets to different fielders can cause estimation problems in small sample sizes.

This year, Carlos has graded out “Plus” in CF, because of his “average” (for a CF) range, plus arm, and partial-plus error rating.

I think Carlos is always going to be a fielding enigma for me. For his career, he has been plus at every position, but every year it’s a different one that’s plus. I think it’s part SSS and part because Carlos doesn’t get the best jumps as an OF. His speed/range make up for that mostly, but he’s not truly top-tier when it comes to getting jumps.

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by hjrrockies on Jun 26, 2011 10:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

But we're talking about relative positional value between Smith and CarGo

CarGo had -3.2 positional runs all of last year, and Seth Smith has -2.5 already.

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by hjrrockies on Jun 26, 2011 10:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

Also CarGo beats him in baserunning

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by hjrrockies on Jun 26, 2011 10:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

What if they bred?

A LazorCorn?

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by hjrrockies on Jun 26, 2011 10:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

A Unicorn

That shoots a Lazor from its horn.

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by Yokel on Jun 26, 2011 10:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

That was...disappointing. I really thought they were gonna take this one.

I am all for another MadBum meltdown, though. That would cheer me up somewhat.

In related news, Bobby Valentine is doing a good impression of a Century 21 agent tonight.

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by Paleface Destro on Jun 26, 2011 6:09 PM MDT reply actions  

I feel bad for MadBum though

I would prefer a Wilson blown save and loss

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by hjrrockies on Jun 26, 2011 6:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'll take a Giants loss any way I can get it.

Anything to not fall back farther.

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by Paleface Destro on Jun 26, 2011 6:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Did anyone else see

Swisher’s face after he was thrown out by Troy on that jump throw? He seemed to smile and shake his head a little bit in disbelief.

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by jrockies on Jun 26, 2011 6:10 PM MDT reply actions  

Swisher is more than a bit of an ass...

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by Paleface Destro on Jun 26, 2011 6:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

not since this morning

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by jrockies on Jun 26, 2011 6:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

I must have tuned that out.

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by Paleface Destro on Jun 26, 2011 6:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

It's Ricky Romero

One of the few opposite-handed-batting pitchers, plays for the only Canadian team.

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by hjrrockies on Jun 26, 2011 6:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

It's actually Ricky Romero AND Jose Bautista

And it will only cost us one of our "O"’s.

According to the mythology, anyway.

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by Mondogarage on Jun 26, 2011 6:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

what an intriguing thought

the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox

fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee

by papality on Jun 26, 2011 6:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

Jose Bautista has the highest trade value in baseball

The best bargain contract in the game IMO, better than Longo’s. It would take Tulo plus Chacin to get him.

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by hjrrockies on Jun 26, 2011 6:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

I didn't say *I* thought this was happening.

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by Mondogarage on Jun 26, 2011 6:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

You're not THAT crazy =)

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by hjrrockies on Jun 26, 2011 6:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

Can we trade Jim Tracy, too?

I mean, it IS all his fault, right?

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by Paleface Destro on Jun 26, 2011 6:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

Everything is always a #TracyFail

Especially Fowler/Stewart

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by hjrrockies on Jun 26, 2011 6:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

In fact, Tracy went 0-5 with 3 K's in the Springs yesterday

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by Mondogarage on Jun 26, 2011 7:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

Tracy balked in that run a few days ago...

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by Paleface Destro on Jun 26, 2011 7:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

Also, Tracy should have pulled Nicasio after 4 innings

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by Mondogarage on Jun 26, 2011 7:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

Of course

He has the BULLPEN OF STEEL to get the job done.

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by Paleface Destro on Jun 26, 2011 8:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

The economy and high gas prices...

are Jim Tracy’s fault too.

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by Lost Winter on Jun 26, 2011 8:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

That earthquake in Japan?

You got it: Lord Tracy of MATCHUPZ

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by Paleface Destro on Jun 26, 2011 8:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well, the tsunami did come in from the right hand side of the dish

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by Mondogarage on Jun 26, 2011 8:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

Gotta get production somehow.

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by Paleface Destro on Jun 26, 2011 8:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

He also did make a comment about Aaron Hill...

but I would have been better off with Barmes than him.

by nkrause on Jun 26, 2011 7:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

Except he also referred to the...ahem..."trade" as bringing our savior

that ain’t Aaron Hill.

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by Mondogarage on Jun 26, 2011 7:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

Depends

How good is Aaron Hill at slipping hogs?

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by Paleface Destro on Jun 26, 2011 7:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

*slopping

Damn autocorrect…

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by Paleface Destro on Jun 26, 2011 7:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think this is illegal in most states north of the Mason-Dixon Line

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by Mondogarage on Jun 26, 2011 7:58 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Still tolerated in some of them, though...

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by Paleface Destro on Jun 26, 2011 8:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yup, just look for where Bochy buys his retirement home

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by Mondogarage on Jun 26, 2011 8:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

BLAM

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by Paleface Destro on Jun 26, 2011 8:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

You think they slop/slip hogs in San Diego?

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by SDcat09 on Jun 26, 2011 8:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

Insert sailor joke

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by Paleface Destro on Jun 26, 2011 8:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, when pigs sail

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by Mondogarage on Jun 26, 2011 8:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

Do they fly the Jolly Porker?

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by Paleface Destro on Jun 26, 2011 8:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

BOOMROAST IN EFFECT

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by Mondogarage on Jun 26, 2011 8:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

Heh...

Jolly, indeed

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by Paleface Destro on Jun 26, 2011 8:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

Good thing you put "joke" in there.

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by SDcat09 on Jun 26, 2011 8:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

I wasn't sure how THAT would autocorrect...

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by Paleface Destro on Jun 26, 2011 8:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

If he is slippin' hogs.......

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by SDcat09 on Jun 26, 2011 8:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well, to each his own, or something..

I hate autocorrect.

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by Paleface Destro on Jun 26, 2011 8:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

although technically didnt he say it would bring him to someone, not necessarily us

the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox

fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee

by papality on Jun 26, 2011 7:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

And the wheels fall off Carmona right away

8 pitches for the first 4 guys, single, flyout, single, 2 RBI double.

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by hjrrockies on Jun 26, 2011 6:49 PM MDT reply actions  

I'm convinced

It’s The Black Heart of Cody Ross™. No other explanation…

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by Paleface Destro on Jun 26, 2011 7:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ian Stewart Update

3-for-4 with two homers (one of which was a grand slam), 6 RBI, a single and a K today in Salt Lake.

Other items of interest include Cole Garner getting into a fight with Bees catcher Kevin Richardson. Both players were ejected, and arguments between the two resulted in two separate bench-clearing incidents.

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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Jun 26, 2011 7:54 PM MDT reply actions  

That's the kind of thing I want to see happen with the Rockies...

Next game it looks like we are going to lose, let’s have Tulo go all out Chuck Norris on some poor unsuspecting catcher. :-)

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by Lost Winter on Jun 26, 2011 8:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

It would be nice if the Indians could manage to comeback on the Giants

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by SDcat09 on Jun 26, 2011 8:28 PM MDT reply actions  

The Black Heart of Cody Ross(tm) won't let that happen, I fear...

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by Paleface Destro on Jun 26, 2011 8:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

This...

…is MAYONNAISE!

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by Paleface Destro on Jun 26, 2011 8:32 PM MDT reply actions  

I liked it better earlier this year, when Affeldt sucked

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by SDcat09 on Jun 26, 2011 8:37 PM MDT reply actions  

I liked it better earlier this year, when we had a huge lead in the NL West

MUST BE CAUSATION. I HATE U JEREMY AFFELDT

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by hjrrockies on Jun 26, 2011 8:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

The Black Heart of Cody Ross(tm), I'm tellin' ya...

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by Paleface Destro on Jun 26, 2011 8:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

...and it's one, two, three runs...this sucks

At the old ball game

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by Paleface Destro on Jun 26, 2011 8:49 PM MDT reply actions  

Affeldt going for the 6 out save?

BOCH-SANITY

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by hjrrockies on Jun 26, 2011 8:50 PM MDT reply actions  

BOCHUPZ

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by Paleface Destro on Jun 26, 2011 8:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

BOCHPEN

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by hjrrockies on Jun 26, 2011 8:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

Needs more shoe polish in this case

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by Paleface Destro on Jun 26, 2011 8:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

Bobby V with the LA BOOMROAST

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by Paleface Destro on Jun 26, 2011 8:51 PM MDT reply actions  

I imagine Affeldt looks filthy right now

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by hjrrockies on Jun 26, 2011 8:51 PM MDT reply actions  

They say "F you, Jobu"

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HEAR YE: All tremble (with laughter) at Sir Preening Fauxhawk, BS, of the Clan of the Great Pumpkin. Hurry before the Nothing devours his face!
Juan Nicasio IS Jobu!
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by Paleface Destro on Jun 26, 2011 8:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

needs a shower bigtime

the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox

fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee

by papality on Jun 27, 2011 4:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well, crapsticks

Paleface Destro: The Resident Smartass of the Ubaldo Lovers Club
HEAR YE: All tremble (with laughter) at Sir Preening Fauxhawk, BS, of the Clan of the Great Pumpkin. Hurry before the Nothing devours his face!
Juan Nicasio IS Jobu!
I snark because I care.

by Paleface Destro on Jun 26, 2011 8:54 PM MDT reply actions  

Gah..really??? Again, the Giants win??

So annoying.

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by SDcat09 on Jun 26, 2011 8:54 PM MDT reply actions  

It really is the Padres all over again.

Paleface Destro: The Resident Smartass of the Ubaldo Lovers Club
HEAR YE: All tremble (with laughter) at Sir Preening Fauxhawk, BS, of the Clan of the Great Pumpkin. Hurry before the Nothing devours his face!
Juan Nicasio IS Jobu!
I snark because I care.

by Paleface Destro on Jun 26, 2011 8:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

Except they aren't all smoke and mirrors

They combine the best pitching in the game with the worst hitting, and apparently that works pretty well.

Rocktober is not a time of year, it is a religion.

by hjrrockies on Jun 26, 2011 8:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

Except MadBum and Sanchez are blowing up all over the place, and Timmeh's only Timmeh 1/2 the time this year

"We have done everything possible to be set for this day, for this season. It's time to go. We are ready. I can promise you that." - CarGo

by Mondogarage on Jun 26, 2011 8:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

Except they have a newly healed Zito coming back. Dude still scares me.

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by SDcat09 on Jun 26, 2011 8:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

He's okay for a number 3.5/4 starter now...he's not going to be the difference

between the Gints falling out of it or not.

"We have done everything possible to be set for this day, for this season. It's time to go. We are ready. I can promise you that." - CarGo

by Mondogarage on Jun 26, 2011 8:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

I dunno. A healthy Zito could be a huge boon to them.

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by SDcat09 on Jun 26, 2011 9:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

zito can be good when he wants to, but he just doesnt want to.

dude has one of the sweetest gigs in baseball, really… getting gobs of money to pitch mediocre seasons

the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox

fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee

by papality on Jun 27, 2011 4:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

I still think it will take minor miracles for us to catch them

Nobody from the West is making noise in the playoffs this year though. We don’t have the pitching, they don’t have the hitting.

Rocktober is not a time of year, it is a religion.

by hjrrockies on Jun 26, 2011 9:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

I guess 07,09 and '10 sort of gives me some hope that we can in fact catch up

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BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy

by SDcat09 on Jun 26, 2011 9:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

i.e. minor miracles

Don’t get me wrong, but those kind of runs are the exception, not the rule.

Rocktober is not a time of year, it is a religion.

by hjrrockies on Jun 26, 2011 9:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

I know. But I'll hang onto them anyway :)

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by SDcat09 on Jun 26, 2011 9:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

Sorry to troll

but this kind of misinformation about Bumgarner drives me nuts and its becoming all too common. Sanchez is being very Sanchez-y and if you want to call that getting blown up all over the place I won’t argue it too much. But thats just not the case with Bumgarner. The guy had one awful start, but other than that he’s probably been the best Giants’ SP this season. I don’t mean to single out you or the folks here at PR in general, but for some reason that awful start is getting much more attention from national media and opposing fans than the rest of his season. Presented for comparison without comment and then I’ll leave you all along and not bother you any more:

Madison Bumgarner-3.84 ERA, 2.68 FIP, 3.28 xFIP, 7.59 K/9, 2.46 BB/9, LOB% 67.8, BABIP .337

Jhoulys Chacin-3.10 ERA, 4.19 FIP, 3.32 xFIP, 7.91 K/9, 3.70 BB/9, LOB% 80.9, BABIP .226

Thing A

by sam23 on Jun 28, 2011 11:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

Problem is, their luck/karma/whatever isn't going to catch up to them

Partly because of the Black Heart of Cody Ross™, but mostly because they are a good team even without Posey, and I don’t think we will catch them without serious changes in performance.

Rocktober is not a time of year, it is a religion.

by hjrrockies on Jun 26, 2011 8:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

24 pitches, 5 K's

Performance of the night IMO

Rocktober is not a time of year, it is a religion.

by hjrrockies on Jun 26, 2011 8:54 PM MDT reply actions  

Yep

Paleface Destro: The Resident Smartass of the Ubaldo Lovers Club
HEAR YE: All tremble (with laughter) at Sir Preening Fauxhawk, BS, of the Clan of the Great Pumpkin. Hurry before the Nothing devours his face!
Juan Nicasio IS Jobu!
I snark because I care.

by Paleface Destro on Jun 26, 2011 8:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm personally glad

Blackmon didn’t hit his first homerun this weekend because the last Rockies rookie to hit his 1st MLB bomb in the Bronx disappeared very quickly after doing so.

"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK

by jrockies on Jun 26, 2011 9:42 PM MDT reply actions  

Without looking… Choo Freeman, right?

"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton

by Franchise26 on Jun 26, 2011 9:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

yep

"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK

by jrockies on Jun 26, 2011 9:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

God, I loved Choo Freeman. I just wish he could have been better at baseball.

"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton

by Franchise26 on Jun 26, 2011 9:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

OT: 30 for 30 is just a phenomenal series for ESPN

Just finished watching “June 17, 1994”. Man, talk about blast from the past.

OJ makes the slow chase and surrender
Rangers parade for their championship
Arnie Palmer retires
Knicks play in the NBA finals
MLB plays final game before going on strike.

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by SDcat09 on Jun 26, 2011 9:48 PM MDT reply actions  

The filmmaker had a great insight

about how that chase basically turned us into reality tv junkies.

"I think I speak for everyone in here when I say: It''s playoffs or bust"- Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger
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by SDcat09 on Jun 26, 2011 9:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

This is so true

And without OJ, we would not be suffering with Nancy Grace and Greta Van Susteren today.

"We have done everything possible to be set for this day, for this season. It's time to go. We are ready. I can promise you that." - CarGo

by Mondogarage on Jun 26, 2011 10:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

Without OJ, how would our bodies "SURVIVE" without vitamin C?

How do you get your kids to behave? Threaten not to take them to a Rockies game. They straighten up REAL QUICK.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.

by Roxman4ever on Jun 26, 2011 11:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

Personally, that one was my favorite one that didn’t involve college football (‘The U’ was the greatest sports documentary I have ever seen, for so many reasons, and ‘Pony Excess’ and ‘Best That Never Was’ were both outstanding.) ‘June 17, 1994’ was extremely well done.

"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton

by Franchise26 on Jun 26, 2011 9:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well, I sort of forgot that for me personally

That was also the day I was packing to move out from my ex too. I remember it because we were watching the chase on TV and arguing the whole time. LOL.

"I think I speak for everyone in here when I say: It''s playoffs or bust"- Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy

by SDcat09 on Jun 26, 2011 9:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

"The U" was AWESOME.

"I think I speak for everyone in here when I say: It''s playoffs or bust"- Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy

by SDcat09 on Jun 26, 2011 9:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

My god 'The U' was excellent

Overall favorite is ‘The Two Escobars’. The ones you name were great, i like ‘Fernando Nation’, the Reggie Miller one. They’re all good.

For a good non 30 for 30 sports documentary everyone should try ‘Off the Res’. Its about a highschool American Indian basketball player and her pursuit of a scholarship, it’s fantastic.

by AbsenteeRoxFAn on Jun 26, 2011 10:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

So did this start help Nicassio's cause for staying in the rotation?

Or did it just serve to highlight his lack of a breaking ball?

With just over a month until the trading deadline it will be an interesting time for the back end of the rotation.
O’Dowd may decide to give Greg Reynolds another look before making a trade, and the left handed pitcher we are looking for could be Freidrich.
I wonder what it would take to get Wandy though…

by Britbronco22 on Jun 27, 2011 4:33 AM MDT reply actions  

I don't really think it helped or hurt

He did throw four perfect innings, so that’s something. The HR to Swisher ws somewhat forgiveable because he got squeezed badly on a belt-high pitch that was called high and a knee-high strike that wasn’t called as such. So the count runs to 3-1 and he grooves one – but that was somwhat predictable.

The HR to Posada seemed like the back-breaker. Had him in a slider count at 1-2, and for some reason tried to go with a low fastball. I know he missed his spot – put it on the outer third instead of the inside corner – but I would much rather see high heat in that situation. Make Posada catch up to 96 mph at the letters instead of working him low.

Anyway, I still think Dinger’s Wingman is going to stick in the rotation longer than he really should, which means Nicasio is probably the top candidate for demotion. But I don’t think yesterday’s performance was all that bad. If Nicasio can stay ahead in the count and polish his fastball location, I still think he can give a lot of lineups trouble despite his limited repertiore of pitches.

by Northsider1964 on Jun 27, 2011 6:28 AM MDT up reply actions  

"Dinger's Wingman"

Nice.

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by Yokel on Jun 27, 2011 7:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

The Dodgers just filed for bankruptcy

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/27/los-angeles-dodgers-file-_n_885040.html

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by Mondogarage on Jun 27, 2011 7:53 AM MDT reply actions  

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