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Larry Walker was available, so I grabbed it.

After the jump I ramble on about why I think third base is the key to righting the Rockie's ship this season. And how it might be fixed. One more point before the jump, the Rockies don't have an answer at third base for next year either.

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The Rockies have underperformed in 2011 for a variety of reasons. They can’t all be fixed and injuries happen to everyone. You have to be the best team you can be, and hope that it is enough to get to the post season. Lots of the things that have gone wrong so far for the Rockies either have been addressed or might just work themselves out. But third base will have to be fixed.

Second base has been weak for the Rockies as well. The recent rumor of Jamie Carroll coming back to Denver is the kind of second base pick up that would fit. A solid average second baseman. Another way to solve second base is to trade for a third baseman and give second to Wigginton. It does seem likely that someone new will log a lot of games at second base over the remainder of the season.

Virtually every team would like more pitching and the Rockies are in that boat as well. The problem with pitching is that everybody wants more. The cost for a mid-rotation quality starter is rather high. What would the Rockies need? Well de la Rosa will be back in 2012, but probably not at 100% until 2013. Serious help from young arms in the minors seems a year or so off in the future. The Rockies might pick up a veteran that they can use through this year and perhaps 2012.

The big remaining question seems to be third base.

The trade deadline is July 31st. If Stewart is not the answer the Rockies will have to go out and find a third baseman if they have any hope of making it to the post season this year. Who should be on the Rockies radar screen? This is my partial list, please toss in the names that you think the Rockies should be looking at.

In House Candidates

Ty Wigginton – The incumbent. A 33 year old who ideally would be a bat used against lefties. Hitting .270 this year, and better of late. Fielding is at best adequate.

Ian Stewart – If only it were this easy. Stewart comes up to the Rockies and fulfills the promise that many have hoped was there. Or more likely, he lays an egg. Stewart had a Sky Sox batting average over .300 at one point in time. Now it is down to .280. Can he finally find his place in Coors Field? Who knows, but the Rockies may have to bring him up in the next few weeks to see what he can do. Because if the answer isn’t Stewart, it is time to find another answer.

Josh Fields – I know very little about Josh Fields, other than he is on the Sky Sox roster. Is he good enough to deserve a shot? His Triple A numbers are serviceable at best. In limited action in the Majors last year he hit .300. At least he would be above the Mendoza line.

Letting the Imagination Run Wild

Michael Young – Young was talked about as a possible Rockie before the season, but the trade never happened. At 35, Young may have a few years left, or he may be at the end of a great career. In either case he is having a great 2011 on a team that is not sure it wants him around, the Rangers brought in Adrian Beltre to replace him with a rich contract that runs through 2015. This year playing for Texas he has kept his average over .300 playing DH and occasionally in the field.  Young is not cheap, making $12M in 2011 and 2012 and $13M in 2013.

Texas is sitting in first place in the AL West and have no real incentive to move Young, unless Young makes it an issue.

David Wright – The Mets owners might be broke and David Wright might be available. Right now he is on the DL and expected back in July. A career .300 hitter with power and a better than average glove he has underperformed this year. There is no reason to think that he couldn’t hold down third base for two or three years. Wright makes $14M this year, will make $15M next year. There’s a team $16M option for 2013 with a $1M buyout.

The Mets are sliding out of contention, so Wright may be available at limited cost. There is also the bad year issue. In Wright’s case it really is a bad couple of years. Not every player bounces back, but at 30, you would think that Wright still has the stuff to help the Rockies.

David Wright is not as superstar this year, but he would be an upgrade at third base. He might be OK or he might be good. If it didn’t work out you can cut the cord after 2012.

Aramis Ramirez – Aramis Ramirez of the Cubs is in the final guaranteed year of the contract at $14.6M. There is a club option at $15M for 2012 with a $2M buyout. The year has not gone well him or the Cubs. While the potential is there for a rebound, and the Cubs might want to unload his salary.

At 34 he is yet another third baseman who should be at the peak of his career, but might be past it. In this way, and in other facets, he looks like a four years older version of David Wright. Ramirez has made it clear that he would prefer to remain in Chicago for family reasons. Who knows if this is negotiable? Since the Rockies would be eating a lot of salary for an underperforming player, the cost for Ramirez should be reasonable.

Wins Over Replacement Greater than Zero

Casey Blake – Los Angeles Dodgers $5.25M for 2011. Club option at $6.0M for 2012. At 38, Blake is nearing the end of his career. In 2011 he is basically the average 3rd baseman.

Blake can probably be had as part of the divorce settlement. The Rockies would not have to give up all that much to get Blake.

Wilson Betemit – Under contract for just this year at $1M, Betemit plays mostly third for Kansas City, though he recently spent some games at first. Soon thirty, he is an average to slightly better third baseman. The Royals have an heir apparent at third and Betemit is probably available for prospects.

Your Candidate Here- There are other third basemen that are available and may fit with the Rockies. What does one of the prospective players have to deliver? Well reasonable fielding would be nice. At least average offence, preferably with some pop. One would want the WAR to at least be neutral for a Joe Everybody piece.

A salary that is not a killer. Limited years for a higher priced veteran or not a lot of dollars. Though you get what you pay for and if we eat salary we don’t have to give up as many prospects. A veteran who can hold the spot for a couple of years in exchange for the Rockies assuming the salary is the traditional scenario. A younger player with more upside will cost us prospects.

So perhaps you fancy a Jeff Keppinger from Houston. Perhaps someone else. Who and why?

Eat. Drink. Be Merry. But the above FanPost does not necessarily reflect the attitudes, opinions, or views of Purple Row's staff (unless, of course, it's written by the staff [and even then, it still might not]).

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Josh Fields hit a lot of HRs with the White Sox a few years ago, but his contract was just sold to Japan

I would very much like Jamey back; Wigginton at 2B scares me because of his poor defense. I’d be way down for that deal.

My reach would be JJ Hardy, who’s having a huge year in Baltimore. He might regress a lot though, he’s hitting over his head right now. If he’s available, I wonder if he’d be down to play some 2B? Maybe we can give ’em Stew, lol.

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by Hollidayrain on Jun 29, 2011 10:36 AM MDT reply actions  

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At this point, we need to ride Wiggy as long as we can. He’s not an ideal 3rd baseman but he’s the best one we have right now and aquiring another at the deadline will prove pricey.

If Ian Stewart continues to show no progress in AAA, then 3rd base could become a very interesting topic this offseason.

NO, we are NOT going to fire Jim Tracy midseason!!!!!

The Rockies couldn't be any more offensive or less offensive all at the same time.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 29, 2011 12:23 PM MDT reply actions  

I'd be for selling Wiggington.

  Get some close to the majors prospects now and sort out what we get and what we have for the rest of the season. I might even part with Hammel now for a near term guy or the right reclamation project. I’d probably talk to the pirates to see what they have in the parts bin. Kansas City has always been willing to talk to us. Could Dax fix Hochevar? Would Kila still be a value for us? If Pittsburg would take Stewart and we eat some cash: could we get Tabita? Would you sell Nelson and Blackmon for anyone else? Who is Todd’s longterm replacement?
  Houston is out of parts that i’d want. Pence is the only bat I’d want from them and he’s the face of the franchise. Do we trade Dex for Denard Span? Who is Atlanta hiding on the farm? Would Philly part with Polanco and Blanton for Wiggy and Hammels? Do you trade Ianetta now with Rosario close to get somethimg else you need? Would you trade him to the Twinkies Cuddeyer or Kubel? Or both? Or maybe Morneau? It seems they want Mauer at 1b. to protect their investment.

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by Oldfoagie on Jun 30, 2011 12:20 PM MDT reply actions  

JJ Hardy

I like the idea of landing JJ Hardy conceptually. It would be expensive though. I don’t think a deal of Hardy for Young, Nelson, Amezaga and Herrera (everyone else we thought of trying at second) will work for the Orioles lol. Though if he would make the switch to second, problem solved for years to come. Price is the issue.

If Wilin Rosario might be the answer at catcher, Jordan Pacheco is the guy to trade, not Ianetta. He will bring more value than Iannetta because his contract will be cheap for years. Rosario will need some time in triple A, he is still the future (2013?), not the present. Pacheco is therefore tradeable as as prospect while Iannetta likely stays to see if Rosario beats him out in some future year. Frankly Pacheco seems like a pretty solid catcher and would bring value. Willing to bet Pacheco finishes the year in a different uniform.

Ian Stewart makes $2.3 million this year. I am not sure who would take him in a trade in real life. We would have to pay someone most of his salary. He may just be one of those guys who seemed to have potential and for some reason; injuries, attitude, a skill set that doesn’t grow as expected, whatever just never gets there.

He is a free agent at the end of the season, on the off chance he turns it around, he probably will be parked with the Sky Sox until his contract runs out. Then he will be a journeyman triple A free agent with few prospects. I am sure he will make somebody’s 2012 spring training but I doubt he will make their roster. Will some kind of magic that didn’t show up this year when he had every advantage surface next spring? Would not bet on it. Hope he banked some of the cash.

Pittsburgh (or whomever) can have him for ten cents next spring, why trade for him?

Had not thought about Polanco at third, because he plays for a contender. Not sure that the Phillies really have an option at third that’s better than Polanco. He fits with my high dollar/few committed years veteran to avoid (minimize) raiding the farm system preferred approach. We have a guy at Modesto apparently, Arenado.

I guess I think (hope) we can win with our outfield. We have two holes in our infield, one is huge. If I had the chance to buy a player at one position, it would be at third.

by Larry Walker on Jun 30, 2011 1:24 PM MDT reply actions  

I'd trade Wiggy's power for Polanco's contact in a heart beat. The Phillies need RH power with Werth gone and Ibanez MIA.

"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana

by Oldfoagie on Jun 30, 2011 3:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

It has to be Wiggy

until he cools off. Hopefully by then we get Ian Stewart o atleast be 2010 Ian Stewart. If so, we have a pretty good platoon.

by webgem14 on Jul 2, 2011 10:20 AM MDT reply actions  

It has been longer than just 2011

In reality, the Rockies are just continuing the pattern they started last year. This is a team that was picked by a lot of people who are paid to know what they are talking about to win the NL West last year and possibly advance to the W.S. They finished 83-79. Similar predictions were made this year, and they are 41-43. Over the last 146 games, the Rockies are 124-122, essentially a .500 team. If the talent is really there, a problem exits that cries out to be addressed.

by saturnwatcher on Jul 3, 2011 8:57 PM MDT reply actions  

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