Thursday Rockpile: Thomore agrees to terms, Dodgers fire! (sale) may be boon to Rockies
by Rox Girl on Jun 30, 2011 8:49 AM MDT
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The Rockies have agreed to terms with second round pick Carl Thomore according to a club press release. Thomore likely has the most offensive upside of any Rockies pick in the 2011 draft. Other recent signees are also included in this release.
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Beyond interest in Jamey Carroll, Rockies scouts have also been keeping an eye on Los Angeles Dodgers starter Hiroki Kuroda. Kuroda was recently listed as one of the Dodgers' largest creditors in Frank McCourt's bankruptcy filing. Many of us were hoping that the Rockies would pursue him as a free agent during the offseason, but the pitcher decided to stay in Los Angeles rather than testing the market. Kuroda has been as effective as ever in 2011, with a 3.10 ERA, but the Dodgers have scored three or fewer runs in 11 of his 16 starts, including six starts with just one or no runs scored in support of his efforts.
Not that the Rockies offense has been doing that much better of late. One lesson to learn from Tuesday's game going into Wednesday is that a barely squeaked out one run victory in a low scoring contest at a park where run scoring should come easy probably shouldn't be counted on as a shift in team momentum. For now, the Rockies remain a team unable to take that next step forward after they stopped the bleeding of the May swoon.
The times that have been good for the team provide an indication of what's needed, it's simply one additional on base threat at the top of the lineup. The Rockies got a big spark in April when Jonathan Herrera's uncanny BABIP streak continued and Dexter Fowler was getting aboard despite his frequent K's. When both fell to earth, the team tanked. In June, they got a similar boost from Charlie Blackmon. Carroll's .376 OBP in two seasons with the Dodgers indicates that he might be that spark. Getting both Carroll and Kuroda would provide a two for one infusion for the team and if there was ever a time that trading within one's own division was easy, I would think it would be now.
Among other notes, Jim Tracy says that Seth Smith will be getting more starts against left handed pitching with a start against Buehrle last night and another against Danny Duffy tomorrow. My own opinion is that I'm not expecting much, but that's not to be a disrespect to Smith, as what he's done against right handed pitchers more than makes up for it.
Melvin Mora was released by the Diamondbacks.
Chaz Roe was DFA'ed by the Mariners.
Jaron Shepherd joins former Mississippi State teammate Nick Vickerson in the Rockies organization.
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The name "Kyle Roliard" is always going to confuse me with "Kiel Roling".
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not that i will be able to watch it. Stupid MLB balckout crap
How do you get your kids to behave? Threaten not to take them to a Rockies game. They straighten up REAL QUICK.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
by Roxman4ever on Jun 30, 2011 10:59 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Playing around with Baseball Musings Lineup Optimizer
Our optimized lineup with the current regular pieces would be one of these two:
4.411 runs/game Cargo Wigginton Helton Smith Tulowitzki Herrera Blackmon Chacin Iannetta
4.410 runs/game Cargo Smith Helton Wigginton Tulowitzki Herrera Blackmon Chacin Iannetta
The current lineup Tracy uses would average 3.856 runs/game, a difference of 0.555 runs/game. Considering all the one run losses we’ve had lately…..
*Inputs based on all June numbers.
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Last night, I was actually wondering if Wiggy at 4 wouldn't work.
I see that it might.
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a difference of 0.555 runs/game
Which translates to 90 fewer runs over an entire season, or 20 wins. Essentially the difference between winning 100 and winning 60.
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and people don't believe me
when i say Tracy is a crap manager. Seriously, he is a bottom 2 manager in this league.
by Truth Speaker on Jun 30, 2011 9:15 AM MDT up reply actions
Now, had your post said....
“Seriously, Truth Speaker is a bottom 2 commenter in this forum.”
I would have agreed.
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Are we sure they are two differnet people?
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by Jeff Francis Day on Jun 30, 2011 9:25 AM MDT up reply actions
That would be genious
of RP to make a fake user to have someone to agree with him.
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Practically defines "genious"
"Your classless organization in your unholy city accused our Team of an unspeakable act. It was baseless, the Giants are classless, and I have no sympathy for your eternal damnation."
Well, one speaks Truth to Power, and other speaks REAL Truth to Power
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I miss PinchHitCarlosGonzalez
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And Zombie RMN
I'm gonna change my sig because the last time I did, we had a little winning streak. Then I changed it back, and we started losing again. It's the least I can do.
by prettyinpurple on Jun 30, 2011 9:47 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
dude totally
everything is peachy keen, jim tracy is a great manager and the rockies are going to win the world series. wow, everything is so much better in your idiot homer world.
by Truth Speaker on Jun 30, 2011 12:07 PM MDT up reply actions
Hyperbolize much?
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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 12:10 PM MDT up reply actions
Well, you can believe Mr. Pecker
Or you can accept the fact that this city is headed for a disaster of biblical proportions.
Is this true?
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Junction Rox on Jun 30, 2011 12:24 PM MDT up reply actions
this post makes me hungry.
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/bows down
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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 12:15 PM MDT up reply actions
/fistpumpz
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Junction Rox on Jun 30, 2011 12:25 PM MDT up reply actions
/Torrealbaz!!
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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 12:26 PM MDT up reply actions
I don't don't think you can do his using only June numbers
Use ZiPS RoS
Rocktober is not a time of year, it is a religion.
Why RoS instead of Updated ZIPS?
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Because RoS is true-talent
Updated is just Current Stats + RoS.
Rocktober is not a time of year, it is a religion.
Here's the optimized lineup according to ZiPS RoS "True-Talent" projections:
1. Chris Iannetta
2. Troy Tulowitzki
3. Charlie Blackmon
4. Carlos Gonzalez
5. Seth Smith
6. Ty Wigginton
7. Chris Nelson
8. Jhoulys Chacin
9. Todd Helton
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Helton 9th?
NO, we are NOT going to fire Jim Tracy midseason!!!!!
The Rockies couldn't be any more offensive or less offensive all at the same time.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 30, 2011 10:21 AM MDT up reply actions
Yes, because he shouldn't get as many at bats as Charlie Blackmon
just sorta shows how laughable some applications of sabremetrics can be. Some.
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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 10:24 AM MDT up reply actions
I don't think it's laughable
It’s weird looking, and it doesn’t take into account baserunning, but it tells you what you want to know.
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not taking into account baserunning is just one of its flaws
Because in real baseball, baserunning matters.
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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 10:32 AM MDT up reply actions
It doesn't claim that it's the best tool
The designers are open about its flaws, and they don’t claim that it should be the “only” tool in the box. It’s a mathematical thought experiment in optimization (Markov Chains) applied to baseball.
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That's fine, but if it's openly flawed and not really reliable in a real world environment....
…then it’s foolish to develop any expectations of it actually being a lineup that a manager should be expected to use.
As an intellectual exercise it’s fine, but it has very little real relationship to MLB as played by real teams. Though Tony LaRussa would probably give it a go…
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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 10:45 AM MDT up reply actions
It has a very real relationship
You can run those simulations, and then look down the list for lineups that make baserunning sense. But what the tool does confirm is that splitting lefties really doesn’t matter. So Tracy should give up putting a switch hitter/righty in the 2-hole, and let Smith hit there.
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I won't disagree that splitting lefties doesn't matter
other than in the context of late inning LOGGY use, but that’s not a big enough factor really.
And I’d be okay with Smith hitting #2 (as long as Wiggy went to #5), but that’s far different from your “optimized” lineup.
That said, while I don’t think you have to go LRLRLRLR, I do think that going LLLRRR makes the game that much easier for the opposing manager. And that’s what you’d have if you moved Seth to #2, Wiggy to #5 and, say, CDI to #6.
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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 10:50 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm not saying I think it's the best lineup
The change in lineup isn’t worth the increase in runs scored.
Here’s a similarly “good” lineup, one that I actually like:
1. Todd Helton
2. Troy Tulowitzki
3. Chris Iannetta
4. Carlos Gonzalez
5. Seth Smith
6. Ty Wigginton
7. Chris Nelson
8. Jhoulys Chacin
9. Charlie Blackmon
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I pretty much agree with this lineup
If we were playing the Ryder Cup.
by Northsider1964 on Jun 30, 2011 11:00 AM MDT up reply actions
Since when is 90 runs = 20 wins???
I believe it’s an accepted sabermetric belief that 10 runs equals about 1 win. So 90 runs equals about 9 wins, not 20.
Anyway you can send that link to JT?
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I've got his celly #
I’ll send him a quick text message.
A Ty WIggington Home Run is a Rockies Death Sentence.
P then C? hmmmmmm
Also love the idea of having Smith hit in #2.
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Yeah, that second one is really appealing to me as well.
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wiggy in the four hole?
eww. I posted the numbers last night but he is a totally different hitter when there are runners on base, and not in a good way
here are his numbers again for reference
Bases Empty: 127 PA, .303/.346/.664/1.010, 181 sOPS+
Runners on: 105 PA, .223/.288/.340/.629, 75 sOPS+
RISP: 63 PA, .182/.270/.255/.524, 47 sOPS+
#Wiggy4Leadoff
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I think this overrates things a bit
I actually don’t mind those generated lineups, but using less than four weeks of stats and extrapolating it over six months will make any manager’s lineup look bad if a key player or two are underperforming
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jun 30, 2011 9:48 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
There are flaws to it
but Wiggy has been the only player that has really been much better or worse than his June numbers.
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Krieger's column in the Post today is rather strange
He makes good points about the ridiculous money involved in pro sports. But the contention that Rockies games are unaffordable to the average fan is a stretch.
I’ll go for only part of today’s game, because I can’t get away for all of it. But my mini-plan ticket is $9 and I’ll have a bottled water and diet soda with me. I won’t be sipping $10 cocktails behind home plate with Dealin’ Doug, but I’ll have a decent seat and a good time. In fact, going to a college game at Metro State or Mines would cost me about the same, or even more with concessions.
I just don’t get the whining about the price of attending a Rockies game. Playoffs are pretty pricey, as are games with the Red Sox or Yankees. Otherwise, it’s one of the best entertainment bargains in Denver.
Frankly, the rankings year after year after year show that a game at Coors Field...
…is one of the best values in all of MLB and all of professional sports (well, among the four “major” sports).
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That said, I might skip today's game because...
It’s hotter than ass today, I did not bring shorts (or even jeans) to work, my seat will not be under shade beyond the 3rd inning, and I didn’t bring comfy shoes for the 10 block walk.
But Helton’s 2000th? Jeez, I probably ought to go. And maybe suck it up and drive closer to park. And lean over a railing all game in the shade instead of sitting in my seat.
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How will kids be able to get foul balls?
Class move guy, I’ve never met you, but when I do, You’ve got mad props coming your way and a beer or soda purchased for ya.
Always dreamed of being as generous as you were,but I probably wouldn’t. I’d be the Costanza who pushes children and old people outta the way to get a ball.
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by El Paso Jeff on Jun 30, 2011 9:21 AM MDT up reply actions
Oh, I ain't *that* magnanimous...I sorta let myself get talked into giving it to him.
I mean, I felt good about it, but damn, my first ever ML foul ball…
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Honestly -
if that foul ball came off of Tod’s bat in his 2000th game – would you have given it away?
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Absolutely not. I'd put it in a case next to my Helton game-used jersey
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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 9:34 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I would totally have your back
that is if I wasn’t climbing over it to get to the ball.
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I probably should.
We’re 6-3 when I attend so far. SSS, yeah.
Maybe I can play 2B, my BABIP couldn’t be that low.
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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 10:18 AM MDT up reply actions
I had a pretty excellent record last year.
I don’t remember what it was, but I think that the Rockies should put a good luck charm on their payroll to attend every home game.
Score a goal. Unit. Basket. Go squadron! Do good! Defeat the opponents soundly in this...skirmish.
I went 16-6 last year
only 1-3 this year :-(
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The worst part of this, frankly, is your number of games played.
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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 11:17 AM MDT up reply actions
I have a theory
It’s the Rihanna/Matt Kemp effect
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Hahaha
I might agree with this comment, though if he’s the happy clam I think he is these days, I’m thinking his attendance is about where it needs to bel.
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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 11:24 AM MDT up reply actions
:D
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I was going to ask why you'd even gone to four already, becuase that's almost a 10% pace...
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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 11:27 AM MDT up reply actions
Opening Day, Bachelor Party, Cubs Game Tradition, Free Tix 15 rows from first base
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What does a Tom Hanks movie have to do with anything?
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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 11:32 AM MDT up reply actions
agreed
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I know this is more meddling when Mr. Tracy does quite euff himself
but how bout EY-1 Cargo-2? EY is the one 2 bagger who hasn’t got an extended look. I know, I know………I am trying to be productive in my criticism instead of cynical ugly and angry.
But RoxGirl is right, our 2 hole is a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge disadvantage to this team.
Is it wrong to want some energy and fire in our team leadership? I’ve said it numerous times, Bud black gets his teams to play over their heads all the time, when does our staff get called out for under performing? I know Ozzie guillenis obnoxious side show but…….It beats “awwww shucksy darn, this ball doesnt always bounce the way we want, deal with failure.”
crap the anger crept in
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I’d rather do the “give your better hitters the bulk of plate appearances” approach and see what happens.
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but but EY is a good hitter, his AAA numbers say as much
Yeah, well…..Rasberry….Someone anyone do something good.
I want to Blame Jim Tracy for Global Warming at this point. And Poverty.
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by El Paso Jeff on Jun 30, 2011 9:26 AM MDT up reply actions
EY at 2b
He can’t get on base and he can’t play defense. He hasn’t earned an extended look.
The reality is, there is no one we can put out there regularly at 2B on our roster who is even a replacement level player. It’s pointless to blame Tracy for the failings of our 2B when he’s got nothing to work with there.
"We have done everything possible to be set for this day, for this season. It's time to go. We are ready. I can promise you that." - CarGo
He can minimize our failings at 2B instead of giving them the second most PA on the roster. His refusal to do so suggests quite a bit to me as well.
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Except that CDI has done very well at #8, and having better OBP guys at the bottom of the order...
…is actually giving Cargo a chance to knock some in.
I see it as a devil’s bargain here because, without a real leadoff hitter, we have to use Cargo there (and it’s actually working), but you still want him to have RBI opps.
In other words, had Dex done his job, I’d have a much easier time seeing moving our 2B flunky to #7 or 8 in the order.
"We have done everything possible to be set for this day, for this season. It's time to go. We are ready. I can promise you that." - CarGo
This has nothing to do with lineup construction, or traditional batting orders, or anything like that.
You want to win? Play your best hitters more than your worst hitters.
You want to score runs? Give your best hitters more opportunities than your worst hitters.
Every team has holes in the lineup — ours just happen to be placed front and center in the lineup. That is on the manager.
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And our team only has 7 decent hitters, only 6 of which can be in the same lineup.
So Tracy’s gotta player at least two guys who can’t hit out of paper bags this year.
Let’s just put them 7-8 in the lineup before the pitcher, to give us a 6 man batting order.
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At least our top six would score runs instead of giving away outs with RISP
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Maybe.
I’ve seen enough RISPy fail by Tulo and Wiggy to suggest this ain’t automatic by any means. And, of course, the only RBI you’ll ever see from Cargo again would be on solo dingers.
"We have done everything possible to be set for this day, for this season. It's time to go. We are ready. I can promise you that." - CarGo
as Northsider said last night — if you are asking your #2 hitter to do things the pitcher would do, then he probably shouldn’t be your #2 hitter.
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I think that was Rox Girl
But I don’t disagree with it. Heck I really thought they should have PH Helton for Herrera in the 8th inning, instead of having Jonny bunt. Give Carlos a couple of pitches to steal 2nd. And iff he doesn’t think he can get a good jump, you still have Todd at the plate and a fast runner on 1st with no outs.
Small ball is fine, but not when this season’s best hitter is on the bench with nothing better to do.
by Northsider1964 on Jun 30, 2011 10:06 AM MDT up reply actions
I proposed this a few weeks ago
When Carlos was struggling in the #3 spot and the team seemed intent on using EY (because if EY’s going to play and have value, it almost has to be in the leadoff role). But moving Carlos up has worked out so well that I would hesitate to mess with it now. Maybe Blackmon could hit #2, despite his recent fall back to Earth. Then use Nelson in the #7 spot.
by Northsider1964 on Jun 30, 2011 9:23 AM MDT up reply actions
Cargo should hit wherever we put him
the whole lineup thing shouldn’t mean crap
A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves
by waterboy31321 on Jun 30, 2011 9:24 AM MDT up reply actions
It does when you give the worst hitter on your team the second most PA on the roster.
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what are you talking about?
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by waterboy31321 on Jun 30, 2011 9:31 AM MDT up reply actions
The 2 hole
The player in the 2 hole gets the second most PA on the roster. Sticking our second basemen suck hole at #2 always, means that for the majority of the season, our worst hitters have gotten more at bats than Todd or Tulo.
Caution: Colorado teams are better than they appear.
by ShadowPenguin on Jun 30, 2011 9:44 AM MDT up reply actions
The 2 hole has been mighty crappy this year.
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we are 7th in the NL witih a sOPS+ of 95 from the 2 hole
but I do assume that April really boosted up those numbers and we’re probably towards the bottom in June
Agree in theory
But he’s been a much better hitter in the #1 spot, because he’s not trying to hit a 3-run bomb every time up. And as long as Helton holds up at #3, why change it? That is, after all, where both were hitting the last time this team actually accomplished something.
by Northsider1964 on Jun 30, 2011 9:26 AM MDT up reply actions
Fact is though
if Cargo keeps hitting like this we need him to be hitting runners in or advancing runners rather than just standing on the bases
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by waterboy31321 on Jun 30, 2011 9:32 AM MDT up reply actions
At which point you need better OBP guys in #7/8 holes
And CDI’s already doing the job there.
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Why?
Both Wiggy and Seth are doing fine there. What’s the actual point of moving CDI there, other than to attempt to prove a theory correct? What would you hope to actually gain by the move?
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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 10:33 AM MDT up reply actions
CDI is a valuable offensive player
And wasting him down in the lineup costs this team runs.
Rocktober is not a time of year, it is a religion.
Except that batting Wiggy/Smith in the 5 hole is not costing this team runs
Sometimes, this is a “solution” looking for a problem.
Of course #2 is a problem. But that’s a different problem.
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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 10:45 AM MDT up reply actions
Here's a lineup I like right now:
Gonzalez
Smith
Helton
Tulowitzki
Iannetta
Wiggington
Blackmon
Generic Black Hole at Second Base
Pitcher
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by hjrrockies on Jun 30, 2011 10:48 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
There appears to be some sort of voodoo behind this construction.
Catchers always bat #8, second basemen always bat #2. Don’t you know this?
(Seriously, I love it.)
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Tracy has just made up too much dogma about this season
He backed himself into a corner by saying “Iannetta is our 8-hole hitter.” And he claims that he likes guys that can “handle the bat” in the 2-hole. I like guys who can SWING the bat
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Iannetta
is being protected in the 8 spot from some of his big flaws (particularly, not being quasi-pitched around). I’m perfectly cool with moving him up to 7 or maybe 6 if we move Seth up to #2, but the notion that he’ll be the same guy higher in the order is not exactly proven.
I don't think he'd be the same guy
But I would imagine he’ll see more pitches to hit when he’s higher in the lineup.
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maybe
but my subjective (worthless, I know) view of him is that he doesn’t fare well when talented pitchers come right after him. He succeeds because he’s very patient and takes walks, and murders mistakes. Qualities that suit an 8 hole hitter perfectly. Maybe 6/7 too. I think he’d really be in trouble in the 2 hole, for instance. But all conjecture, I suppose.
I think it's a good conjecture.
Lineups are kind of a chicken/egg thing to me. Where a player is in the lineup will affect their play.
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I agree with you on this.
The idea that baseball skills are completely transferable regardless of context doesn’t seem to jive with what we’ve actually seen. That said, I think Iannetta batting fourth or fifth could work because those tend to be slots that also get worked around for the weaker hitters coming after.
But...but...but...but....
….computers and sabremetric modelz?!?!?!?
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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 12:02 PM MDT up reply actions
Frankly, they'd get it right, more correct than we are
if they had a complete set of data to work with, such as that Iannetta’s patience shines in lineup slots where we can expect a lot of balls to be thrown. People are inputting incomplete data and hoping to come up with a perfect solution, it doesn’t work that way.
Modelz are much better than models too
I think the assumption of hitter skill being non contextual is false, but often times that assumption is indeed closer to reality than one would think.
No question, Iannetta would be pitched to differently while in the 5- or 6-hole. But I think that his skillset still functions – don’t chase many pitches, swing at strikes, draw walks, hit for power. Those things work anywhere in the lineup.
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I wouldn't be entirely opposed to that, really
other than the team dynamic implications making this now very unlikely, I’ve always felt Tulo would be an ideal #2 hitter in the Ellis Burks mode. I think he’s pretty good as a cleanup, but he’s not Matt Kemp or, of course, Pujols/Fielder. If CDI could somehow get a .250 average and 30 bombs out of that spot, moving Tulo up would fix everything (except 2b, of course). But I just don’t know if CDI can do it, and I’m pretty sure he will never be trusted to try it anyway.
Iannetta his an above-average hitter in a below-average lineup
If he was in Boston, they could afford the luxury of hitting him 8th, where his skillset fits. Here in Colorado, where we have the “luxury” of the three worst second basemen in the majors, a Charlie Blackmon that isn’t amazing (yet), and a bench that is horrible outside of Giambi, we have to give our above-average hitters a chance with RISP.
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how many chances has he had with RISP
this season? It feels like he’s up with RISP very often.
63 times, in which he's done this:
.273/.476/.636 (AVG/OBP/SLG) .459 wOBA/186 wRC+
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That's elite production.
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And a GREAT reason not to move him to #2
Because if you had Herrera #8, he’d almost never come up with RISP. At best (usually), two outs and Cargo on 1B.
At least in the 8 hole, he may hit with Seth and Wiggy on base….
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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 12:14 PM MDT up reply actions
I think we wanted to move him to 5th or 6th
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why 5th or 6th?
is there really a view that he’d be better than Smith? or the current monstrous iteration of Wiggy? Wiggy and CDI could be interchangeable, I suppose. Again, though, he’s not going to be the same cat at 5th/6th.
I can see 7th, but not higher
Because at that point, his advantages of patience would seem to be eliminated.
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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 12:17 PM MDT up reply actions
CDI starts tons of 2out rallies with BB's that are squashed by the pitcher's spot
It’s time to let Iannetta’s OBP to the talking, and let him prove that he’s a good hitter.
This team has nothing to lose anymore. They’re nearly out of the race, with no team identity. If this team needs to be “shaken up,” then it’s time to put our best walk-drawer in a place WHERE THOSE WALKS ACTUALLY CAN TURN INTO RUNS.
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Another way of looking at that is...
CDI does a great job of turning over the lineup so that our actual leadoff guy can leadoff more than one inning a game.
…two outs and a man on first isn’t really a “rally” and more than getting the leadoff hitter of an inning on and then getting two outs is a rally. It’s nothing more than a runner on 1B.
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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 12:25 PM MDT up reply actions
Those two things aren't equal
Iannetta is maybe the 2nd best walk-drawer in baseball, and the value of him turning the lineup over is nothing compared to the value of baserunners in front of good hitters. Carlos has been getting on base a lot in the leadoff spot, and while Iannetta isn’t going to single him to 3rd very much, you can bet that about 20% of the time you are going to be in a 1st-and-2nd, nobody out scenario.
Iannetta is the best count-worker in our lineup right now, in terms of pitches seen. If that really is a desirable trait for a 2-hole hitter, then Iannetta needs to be there.
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you are still assuming
he will walk as much when he’s not sitting in front of a guaranteed out. As noted above, I’m really not at all certain that is true. I’m willing to find out, but your strident contentions seem to be overlooking this very real issue.
He's not going to walk as much
I know that – partly due to regression, and partly due to differences in pitching. But he’s a true-talent high-OBP guy, period, and wasting him in the 8-hole is ridiculous.
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I'm pretty sure his OBP
would still be pretty good. But it might be legitimately lower, and if that isn’t offset by a significant raise in actual hits, I don’t know that its worth it. As I said, move him up to #7 or 6, cool. #2 seems silly, and more specifically, no manager in baseball (and obviously not JT) is going to see him as a legit option at that spot. (Unless he played 2b, of course!)
I think hitting 6th is a fair compromise for now
But it’s time to simply put the best hitters in good spots in the lineup.
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Actually, thinking about it,
Herrera probably needs to bat eighth whenever he’s in the lineup, as he’d be suited to drawing the walks in front of the pitcher about as well as Iannetta, and that solves the problem of batting him so high. I’d move Iannetta up to fifth, which I guess would make my lineup look like this:
Cargo
Tulo
Helton
Wigginton/Smith depending on whether it’s an RHP or LHP
Iannetta
Wigginton/Smith the other one
Blackmon/Spilly
Herrera/Nelson
This is totally not directed at you
and has nothing to do with this argument.
But for some reason the phrase “true-talent” really annoys me. I get it’s meaning, but it just bugs. I can’t really pinpoint why.
I commented above
I don’t see any need to go LRLRLRLRL….however, going LLLRRR makes things too easy on opposing managers. There’s a difference between not needing to split your lefties, and batting three in a row followed by three righties.
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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 10:51 AM MDT up reply actions
swap Iannetta and Smith, then, and its golden
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I know you didn't mean this the way I read it...
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by Junction Rox on Jun 30, 2011 10:49 AM MDT up reply actions
Honestly
I gotta leave Carlos in the #1 spot unless and until there’s a viable alternative at leadoff, or Helton starts to look like the 2010 version. Right now they both look a lot like they did in 2009, when the last 2/3 of the season was pretty special. It’s not ideal, but I would leave those two alone and worry about how to improve the #2 spot.
by Northsider1964 on Jun 30, 2011 9:37 AM MDT up reply actions
The only way to improve the #2 spot appears to be...
via trade. And while I’d prefer “better than Jamey Carroll”, he may be the most obtainable, and I’d be okay with that.
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Me too
And it’s not like I see Carlos as the ideal leadoff man. I just don’t want to tinker with him and Helton when their current spots appear to be working for them.
by Northsider1964 on Jun 30, 2011 9:57 AM MDT up reply actions
Exactly
Those are two of the few things that are actually working extremely well (as is CDI at #8, and that’s a better reason not to move 2B to #8 than the actual performance of our 2B)
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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 10:05 AM MDT up reply actions
This is about the only viable alternative I see
But then, even Charlie’s fallen off a LOT the last 7-8 games, and there’s a reasonable chance you make that change and still see no positive effect.
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Seth Smith should hit second period
The advantage of splitting your lefties is NOTHING compared to the advantage of actually having a GOOD HITTER in the top of the lineup.
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One step at a time. He’s actually playing against lefties now.
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I'd be for letting EYJ have a chance
I would agree he hasn’t been given much opportunity. I would much rather let EYJ give it a shot than Johnny Herrera
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by waterboy31321 on Jun 30, 2011 9:23 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm in for a look at EY2
at this point as well, Herrera shouldn’t be starting and I am souring on Nelson.
I have absolutely zero confidence in EY Jr
His career OBP at the major league level is below Herrera’s 2011 OBP, and that’s not a good sign. I still maintain that if his name was Eric Smith, his support would be pretty much non-existent.
But at this point, I am OK with giving him a shot. Honestly, he can’t be worse than what we’ve been putting out there…
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by Junction Rox on Jun 30, 2011 9:39 AM MDT up reply actions
No EY 2 ever
He is so bad that ZiPS doesn’t even have a RoS projection for him
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Heh.
Actually, that’s only because as Fangraphs doesn’t have a mechanism for minor league translations for ZiPS RoS, so they don’t generally run it for guys that don’t start the season in the majors. As I don’t have an automatic updating system, for other players, people have to summon me.
ZiPS has been pretty sour generally on Young. He pretty much undid some good performance at AAA this year with a pretty darn lousy 50 PA in the majors, so it has him at 259/327/348 going forward. Actually slightly better than his preseason projection but still pretty lousy.
by D.Szymborski on Jun 30, 2011 12:14 PM MDT up reply actions
At this point, we would consider that production “starting 2B material”
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Hey that OBP is at least over .300
I miss that kind of production
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HOF numbers compared to Herrera.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Jun 30, 2011 12:49 PM MDT up reply actions
This morning I stumbled across the latest gift the Giants have received
They are currently in the middle of a nine game stretch where they face these starters.
Fausto Carmona: ERA+ = 64
Doug Davis: ERA+ = 62
Rodrigo Lopez: ERA+ = 76
Ryan Dempster: ERA+ = 81
Carlos Zambrano: ERA+ = 92
Brad Penny: ERA+ = 81
Max Scherzer: ERA+ = 84
Rick Porcello: ERA+ = 74
Clayton Richard: ERA+ = 86
ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME!?!?!?!?!?!?
I challange anyone who doesn’t think the Giants have been over the top lucky to find me ANY onther stretch where ANY other team went NINE STRAIGHT games facing a pitcher with an ERA+ of 92 or worse and faced pitchers with an ERA+ of 86 or worse in eight of those nine games.
It’s just RI-DAMN-DICULOUS!!!!!!!!!
By comparison, the Rockies have faced just two pitchers with an ERA+ of 92 or lower in their last ten games and have also run into several team’s aces including Verlander, Sbathia, and Garza.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 30, 2011 9:56 AM MDT reply actions
It's Jim Tracy's fault.
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agreed
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by El Paso Jeff on Jun 30, 2011 10:02 AM MDT up reply actions
Tracy has insisted that he’s been looking for spots to use Smith against lefties, and they’ve arrived. Two days after facing Buehrle, Smith will start Friday against Royals lefty Danny Duffy.
Yay!, As the resident “Lets start Smith almost every day” guy here, this makes me happy.
In the same article, Seth suggests
that the babying of him against lefties the last couple years has destroyed most of his confidence.
In other words, I wasn’t bad against lefties until you repeatedly convinced me I was bad against them.
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by Jeff Francis Day on Jun 30, 2011 9:59 AM MDT up reply actions
If true, I'd say that someone tell him
to take a look at the bi-weekly deposits in his bank account, go hit the cages, prove himself, and stop whining.
I miss Tulo Bombs
7 before April 15, 7 since
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I hate to say this
But a huge chunk of the blame for the Rockies current record has to be placed on Tulo’s shoulders. As we all know, the Rockies record tends to mirror whatever Tulo does and this year it’s no exception.
In the first 15 games of the season, Tulo hit 7 HR’s, batter .364, had an OBP of .486, and an OPS of 1.322.
The Rockies record in those first 15 games? 12-3.
Since that time, Tulo has batted just .250, had an OBP of .300, and an OPS of .701.
The Rockies record during this time? 27-38
The good news though is that he has been better in June now that the BABIP fairy has stopped screwing him over (.311 BA, .366 OBP, and an .842 OPS) and the Rockies record this month has rebounded. (14-12 in June coming into today)
However, we really need Tulo to strat OPSing over .900 if we’re gonna win this division.
Of course, I’m still gonna bet on Tulo.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 30, 2011 10:19 AM MDT up reply actions
This is, also, Jim Tracy's fault.
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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 10:20 AM MDT up reply actions
Also
The Rockies are 22-7 when Tulo has at least one RBI in a game and 17-34 when he does not.
Come on Tulo, we need you to find the awesome switch.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 30, 2011 10:31 AM MDT up reply actions
I think Tulo's batting average has dropped 8 points in the last 8 games
Haven’t looked recently but I think hes down to .270 ish after flirting with .280
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by waterboy31321 on Jun 30, 2011 11:30 AM MDT up reply actions
The Rockies are 3-5 in the last 8 games so it makes sense
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 30, 2011 11:45 AM MDT up reply actions
Sox lineup is up
1. Juan Pierre (L) LF
2. Omar Vizquel (S) 3B
3. Adam Dunn (L) 1B
4. Alex Rios® CF
5. Mark Teahen (L) RF
6. Alexei Ramirez® SS
7. Ramon Castro® C
8. Gordon Beckham® 2B
9. Jake Peavy® P
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Wow. That is a terrible lineup.
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Except neither Herrera, Nelson, or EY2 is at 2B.
/getawayday
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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 10:16 AM MDT up reply actions
If Cook can't toss a quality start against THAT lineup...
then he really IS done.
Thanks Ozzie
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 30, 2011 10:24 AM MDT up reply actions
no Konerko or Quentin?
wow, we better win this
by purplesocks on Jun 30, 2011 10:30 AM MDT up reply actions
Just tweeted lineup
Rockies Colorado Rockies
#Rockies vs. CWS, 6/30: Gonzalez8, Herrera4, Helton3, Tulowitzki6, Smith9, Wigginton5, Blackmon7, Pagnozzi2, Cook1.
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At least we learned our lesso---
Herrera4
Oh.
At least we have MLB hitters in our lineup?
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Well, they are on ML rosters
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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions
Best defensive option of the three behind Cook. Him in the lineup isn’t the problem, it’s the location of his bat in the lineup that is cause for indigestion.
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by Franchise26 on Jun 30, 2011 10:57 AM MDT up reply actions
GET THE WORST POSITION IN OUR LINEUP OUT OF THE 2-SPOT
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Remember when we sorta "liked" our 4-way competition for 2B?
We figured that at least somebody would have a good year, and we could bench/option the rest.
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That’s when we still had a guy named Ian Stewart penciled on the roster.
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Remember when the Row sorta loved Herrera in the 2 hole?
/seems so long ago
/but it really wasn’t.
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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 11:01 AM MDT up reply actions
We are a
“What have you done for us lately” group.
A Ty WIggington Home Run is a Rockies Death Sentence.
Except that "lately" only goes so far back as their previous AB or game.
I swear it’s like a bunch of junior high schoolers with crushes. I feel like I need to tell them “the real world sucks, you’re going to get soulcrushed, learn to deal with it, because that’s life, get used to it”.
Or something.
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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 11:03 AM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
Not all of us.
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I'm more of the "What good are you, period?" type
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See that's the thing
I still appreciate the fact that Herrera played well in April. He was a walk machine, wasn’t popping up or hitting into DPs, and did more than we really could have hoped for when other guys were just terrible. But the bubble has burst, so please stop playing him or at least stop batting him 2nd. We don’t need to hold “Jonny Appreciation Day” four times a week just because he played really well two months ago.
by Northsider1964 on Jun 30, 2011 11:08 AM MDT up reply actions
then again, we did the same for Garrett Atkins in the postseason.
And he hadn’t been good for two years.
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I'm in the
I really wanna win the division because WE’VE NEVER DONE IT group.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 30, 2011 11:35 AM MDT up reply actions
Remember the Great Offseason Positional Wars?
We were both wrong.
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I'm not going to get emotional about it, though.
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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions
With Pagnozzi in the lineup,
Herrera is not the worst today.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 30, 2011 11:31 AM MDT up reply actions
I could debate this point.
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Other than the last two weeks he spent last year in St Louis
Pagnozzi has always been terrible.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 30, 2011 11:36 AM MDT up reply actions
Other than the last two weeks he spent last year in St Louis
Pagnozzi has always been terrible.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 30, 2011 11:38 AM MDT up reply actions
When you have a career .594 OPS in 600 games in the minors
It’s a miracle that you’ve made it to the majors.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 30, 2011 11:40 AM MDT up reply actions
Not as a catcher.
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Trade options at 2B:
Jamey Carroll (.316 ZiPS RoS wOBA)
Maicer Izturis (.332 ZiPS RoS wOBA)
Other ideas?
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Ummm Clint Barmes?
Someone from the Royals Chris Getz, Betancourt, something?
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by waterboy31321 on Jun 30, 2011 11:33 AM MDT up reply actions
Luis Castillo?
Maybe in the Phillies minors?
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by waterboy31321 on Jun 30, 2011 11:33 AM MDT up reply actions
Mike Lansing?
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Eric Young!
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And he suuuuuuuuuucks.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Jun 30, 2011 12:18 PM MDT up reply actions
Right, Escobar replaced him in KC..
The Royals also had Mike Aviles as a MI at the start of the season, but he was so putrid they shipped him out to AAA.
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by Junction Rox on Jun 30, 2011 12:29 PM MDT up reply actions
It's too bad Giambi can't play 2B
That would solve so many problems
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 30, 2011 11:41 AM MDT up reply actions
Have we tried this yet?
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Worth a shot
I think its SO UNFAIR THE ROCKIES CAN"T PLAY HELTON AND GIAMBI AT THE SAME TIME ITS CRAP
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by waterboy31321 on Jun 30, 2011 11:47 AM MDT up reply actions
ISWYDT
I think David Ortiz should get a shot at 2B, too!
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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 11:47 AM MDT up reply actions
hahaha can YOU imagine Papi at Second....
hahaha i would love to see Papi play anywhere but 1st
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by waterboy31321 on Jun 30, 2011 11:49 AM MDT up reply actions
I'd like to see an All-DH team take the field...it would be like the fat-guy olympics.
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by bishoPurple on Jun 30, 2011 12:00 PM MDT up reply actions
1. Bobby Abreu 9
2. Johnny Damon 7
3. Michael Young 5
4. David Ortiz 8
5. Vladimir Guerrero 6
6. Billy Butler 3
7. Victor Martinez 2
8. Jason Giambi 4
9. Jorge Posada 1
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by Junction Rox on Jun 30, 2011 12:43 PM MDT up reply actions
I'd buy a ticket to that
NO, we are NOT going to fire Jim Tracy midseason!!!!!
The Rockies couldn't be any more offensive or less offensive all at the same time.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 30, 2011 12:59 PM MDT up reply actions
I'd sell tickets to the training table for that
"We have done everything possible to be set for this day, for this season. It's time to go. We are ready. I can promise you that." - CarGo
Maybe we should just for the LOLs
I think I’d have more fun watching Giambi try to play D at 2B than I would watching Herrera, Nelson, or EY2 bat right now.
NO, we are NOT going to fire Jim Tracy midseason!!!!!
The Rockies couldn't be any more offensive or less offensive all at the same time.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 30, 2011 11:49 AM MDT up reply actions
us
1. Carlos Gonzalez (L) CF
2. Jonathan Herrera (S) 2B
3. Todd Helton (L) 1B
4. Troy Tulowitzki® SS
5. Seth Smith (L) RF
6. Ty Wigginton® 3B
7. Charlie Blackmon (L) LF
8. Matt Pagnozzi® C
9. Aaron Cook® P
How do you get your kids to behave? Threaten not to take them to a Rockies game. They straighten up REAL QUICK.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
Why the hell is he using Herrera AGAIN!
How do you get your kids to behave? Threaten not to take them to a Rockies game. They straighten up REAL QUICK.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
by Roxman4ever on Jun 30, 2011 11:03 AM MDT up reply actions
This is 'Jim Tracy saying...
He is the Decider. And no amount of logic can take that away
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by El Paso Jeff on Jun 30, 2011 11:43 AM MDT up reply actions
JT
The king of “no hurt feelings” and the Kum-bye-yaw Klubhouse.
Winz might also make the clubhouse happy too, and the fans.
Quickly falling outta love with my manager.
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by El Paso Jeff on Jun 30, 2011 11:46 AM MDT up reply actions
See, no one really knows what goes on in the clubhouse or the manager's office
You know what assuming does….
"We have done everything possible to be set for this day, for this season. It's time to go. We are ready. I can promise you that." - CarGo
by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 11:47 AM MDT up reply actions
You know what assuming does….
Puts Herrera in the 2 hole?
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Yup its true. I dont
and I dont want to offend with my over the top negativity, Its just I’m angry b/c we don’t play good baseball.
If Johnny has a good game I will probably go get his baseball card tattooed on my butt, and if not….More complaining like a out of power politician. Like a furloughed teacher in the faculty lounge. Like a grounded teenager. Like someone who complains about everything out of their control
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by El Paso Jeff on Jun 30, 2011 11:52 AM MDT up reply actions
So RPs are turning into game threads now
Jeez. I thought staying out of game threads would limit my exposure to the rampant negativity here. Apparently not.
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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions
yeah, well I Tivo the games so I get to watch everypitch
because Im a masochist. And by the time I get done its too late for my negativity in the Game wrap (probably is the most appropriate place for negativity) so I get to sleep on it and spew negits in the RP.
I apologize and will shape up. I am headed over to the tattoo parlor right now, good thing its payday
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by El Paso Jeff on Jun 30, 2011 12:02 PM MDT up reply actions
See, now that's cool. Get that tat.
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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 12:03 PM MDT up reply actions
this cant be right can it? Let me double check
How do you get your kids to behave? Threaten not to take them to a Rockies game. They straighten up REAL QUICK.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
by Roxman4ever on Jun 30, 2011 11:03 AM MDT up reply actions
this is the right lineup
How do you get your kids to behave? Threaten not to take them to a Rockies game. They straighten up REAL QUICK.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
by Roxman4ever on Jun 30, 2011 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions
Ugh goddammit.
Why is Herrera still here?!?
According to BR, he has gotten on base FIVE TIMES, since June 1st
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jun 30, 2011 11:22 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Counterpoints
1. Chris Nelson
2. EY2
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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 11:25 AM MDT up reply actions
I can tolerate the growing pains of Chris Nelson, because I know what he has the ability to become.
EY2 and Herrera have no place on a 25 man roster.
The reason we are terrible in one run games? Our bench has no hitting ability whatsoever anymore, and thus can’t push across that extra run when it’s needed.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jun 30, 2011 11:38 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Yup Chris Nelson has potential
physical tools….Johnny Herrera does not have physical tools
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by waterboy31321 on Jun 30, 2011 11:39 AM MDT up reply actions
So what you're saying is....
Chris Nelson gets the next three starts, goes 0-for-12 and you’re actually okay with that and won’t harange JT for writing him in the lineup?
I call BS on that.
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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 11:43 AM MDT up reply actions
Because I'm sure you're already aware that Nelson is.....
2-26 with 8 K’s and no XBH since June 19th.
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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 11:46 AM MDT up reply actions
ah, but he’s been on base 23 times this month!
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Tough feat since he's got 16 hits and 3 BB's!
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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 11:49 AM MDT up reply actions
Ah, but you were in a Herrera train of thought.
Nelson can hit these things that go farther than singles. They’re called “extra base hits”.
He has six of those this month.
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Whoops, 7
That’s right. Nelson has more extra base hits this month than times that Herrera has been on base total.
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by Muzia on Jun 30, 2011 11:52 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
He must have tapped himself out, then.
Since his last XBH, his OPS has dropped TWO HUNDRED POINTS.
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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 11:54 AM MDT up reply actions
Pretty easy to do when you’ve only had 80 PA.
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oh, and facing Verlander, Sabathia, etc...
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And not have anything but two measly singles in your last 26 PAs.
"We have done everything possible to be set for this day, for this season. It's time to go. We are ready. I can promise you that." - CarGo
by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 11:56 AM MDT up reply actions
Come on now guys
This like a conversation between two neighbors arguing about who’s trash looks prettier.
NO, we are NOT going to fire Jim Tracy midseason!!!!!
The Rockies couldn't be any more offensive or less offensive all at the same time.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 30, 2011 12:16 PM MDT up reply actions
IAWTC
Hence my position that it really doesn’t matter who’s playing 2B right now…the totality of options aren’t good at all.
/thanks Ian Stewart
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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 12:16 PM MDT up reply actions
Mine, obviously.
Some days, I feel like I’ve accidentally entered the Church of Tulowitzki on Baseball Easter.
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But what about the stinky trash?
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holly just took out that trash
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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 12:18 PM MDT up reply actions
Yep I saw it.
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I just don't understand why one would do this.
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It's such a weird thing.
Sad really. And that particular commenter has said much more vile things at DenverStiffs in various incarnations. And was banned over there repeatedly. So you know it was really bad to get banned at DS
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My trash smells like fresh bakesd cinnamon buns and daisies
/I don’t know y’all are talking about
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jun 30, 2011 12:30 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
23 > 5, you see
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jun 30, 2011 11:50 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah
cuz at least Chris Nelson has talent…can probably blame his 0-12 on some bull shit sabermetric of bad luck. Johnny herrera doesn’t have bad luck, he has bad skill
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by waterboy31321 on Jun 30, 2011 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions
If Nelson is batting say 8th?
The JT won’t get grief from me, al least about that one thing anyway.
/reserves the right to grief for any other occurrence
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jun 30, 2011 11:49 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
You're moving the goalposts.
You’ll still give him grief about even writing Nelson into the lineup after an 0-12, you just won’t give him grief about his spot in the order…but you’ll complain that he’s even in the lineup.
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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 11:52 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm complaining that Herrera is still starting.
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If there's a valid complaint to be made, it's that Tracy has no better 2B options
and we can thank Ian Stewart for that, because he crapped all over his 3B roster spot this season. Had he not done so, Wiggy could be at 2B.
"We have done everything possible to be set for this day, for this season. It's time to go. We are ready. I can promise you that." - CarGo
by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 11:57 AM MDT up reply actions
But the present options JT has to write into the starting lineup at 2B suck. Hard.
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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 11:58 AM MDT up reply actions
But we also can't field an 8 player team, so someone's name is going in there.
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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 11:58 AM MDT up reply actions
Great. Agreed.
Don’t bat him second.
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Um no.
Im complaining that he’s just running Herrera out there for any AB’s at all.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jun 30, 2011 11:57 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Because he's as likely to go 0-12 as Nelson.
Got it.
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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 11:59 AM MDT up reply actions
That's odd, considering Herrera's BA is higher than Nelson's....
"We have done everything possible to be set for this day, for this season. It's time to go. We are ready. I can promise you that." - CarGo
by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 12:03 PM MDT up reply actions
This would be an example of using incomplete data to formulate a solution.
Not only is the MLB sample for Nelson way too small, Herrera’s batting average largely has the benefit of what we can now pretty reasonably conclude was a streak of luck (which will happen, just that Nelson hasn’t had one yet) rather than a true talent level. While his minor league average is about the same as Nelson’s (.280 vs. .278) this too is misleading, as whereas Nelson’s has been improving over his climb, Herrera’s has remained flat, at best. Their AAA averages (.314 for Nelson vs. .277 for Herrera) are probably a closer indication of the MLB gap in talent between them.
Of course, it's easy to lose sight of the fact that .314 is a whopping 4% points higher
And that Herrera is a plus defender.
Undoubtedly Nelson has decent power in his swing, but he’s equally susceptible to getting pwned by quality ML pitching as Herrera is.
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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 12:20 PM MDT up reply actions
Okay, I'm not sure where you're getting the ".314 is a whopping 4% points higher" part from
a .040 increase in batting average is a significant difference. I’d argue too that they are not equally susceptible to getting pwned by quality MLB pitching, unless you are applying pwned to all MLB players and saying that players Tulo or Cargo are also equally susceptible, but that makes little sense with the position that you’ve been arguing. One of these players is more likely to be pwned than the other. More importantly, the gap will be different going forward as well. Nelson still has the better shot of being a complete player right away, that’s why I think we should stick with him for now. The difference in defensive ability shouldn’t be enough to cancel this on a day to day basis.
Now if we’re talking about a few years down the road, I don’t know if I’m as certain. Herrera’s skillset can age very well if it’s given a chance to mature, we wouldn’t be talking about trading for Jamey Carroll if it didn’t. That said, players like Carroll seem to grow just fine absorbing stuff on the bench, I think Herrera could be the same way.
Herrera is worse than Alexi Casilla
and thats bad
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by waterboy31321 on Jun 30, 2011 11:31 AM MDT up reply actions
insanity is doing the same thing...yada yada...
overused cliches….blah.
For the love of Peter, Paul and Mary, Jim — please just have Johnny bunt if anyone is on with the force play in effect. Or anyone on base.
At least we have Smitty back in the 5 hole.
Showing extreme symptoms of Rocky Mountain Baseball Fever since 1993.
by WalkInRight on Jun 30, 2011 12:03 PM MDT up reply actions
We might be the free game of the day, but I have a feeling Herrera is going to make himself look like he don't even belong in Denver
How do you get your kids to behave? Threaten not to take them to a Rockies game. They straighten up REAL QUICK.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
after yesterday, his butt would've been on the bus to AA. Sorry, right now, its what he deserves for playing such crappy baseball
How do you get your kids to behave? Threaten not to take them to a Rockies game. They straighten up REAL QUICK.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
by Roxman4ever on Jun 30, 2011 11:17 AM MDT up reply actions
Not Jonny's
But quite possibly Cook’s. If he’s really bad against a watered-down Chisox lineup, he might find himself focusing on his offseason social networking business:
“It’s Just Lunch with a Creepy Purple Reptile”
by Northsider1964 on Jun 30, 2011 11:18 AM MDT up reply actions
This must be what PHLP referred to.
Johnny’s gonna get raptured.
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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 11:19 AM MDT up reply actions
Herrera getts DFA train and UZ goes into deep sadness for proclaiming him the answer. proclaim
Herrera is the answer, to a question we shouldn’t have to ask.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jun 30, 2011 12:04 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Wow, that was a whole bunch of syntaxfail.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jun 30, 2011 12:06 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't get why
anyone thinks we’d DFA Herrerra. Whether or not he should be starting is one thing, but has DOD ever had a team that didn’t have a versatile defender like Herrerra? The guy is obviously going to be on the team all year. THat is not the issue. The issue is usage.
Especially at his MLB minimum rate.
Herrera’s fine on the roster, he just should be a defensive sub/utility player that doesn’t suck up a lot of PA’s from more worthy players.
IAWTC, but we don't have better options at 2B right now.
At best, Nelson is a reasonably equal option.
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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 12:20 PM MDT up reply actions
Wow. Tracy DID get that message Seth Smith sent with his bat against Sabathia.
Now it’s up to Seth. He had a golden opportunity last year after Hawpe left. He has a rare second chance at the major league level to claim an everyday spot in the rotation. Now it’s time to stop blaming Tracy and see what Seth can do for himself with it.
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HAHAHA
Look at the Red Sox lineup today agaist Philly
1) Ellsbury, CF
2) McDonald, RF
3) Gonzalez, 1B
4) Pedroia, 2B
5) Varitek, C
6) Reddick, LF
7) Sutton, 3B
8) Scutaro, SS
9) Lester, P
I can’t wait to hear all the pissy attitudes if they get shut out again today.
NO, we are NOT going to fire Jim Tracy midseason!!!!!
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 30, 2011 12:11 PM MDT reply actions
I've solved all of our problems
We need to replace everyone’s AB music with this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jK-NcRmVcw&feature=player_embedded#at=62
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.298 ZiPS RoS wOBA
But uber-plus defense. Don’t know what to say, other than bye-bye forever for EY2
Rocktober is not a time of year, it is a religion.
Honestly, if there is a bye-bye forever
I would prefer it be Herrera. I’m no EY2 fan, but at least there is a plus skill there that might come in handy when the rosters expand.
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by Junction Rox on Jun 30, 2011 1:00 PM MDT up reply actions
With Ellis there is little need for a late-inning defensive replacement
EY can always pinch run, if nothing else.
I’m not anxious to see either of them in Denver on a regular basis in the future, though…
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by Junction Rox on Jun 30, 2011 1:17 PM MDT up reply actions
How much of that is due to the ballpark?
(I honestly don’t know much at all about this guy.)
At the very least he’s another guy to throw at the wall to see if he sticks.
He actually has some OBP upside, as long as he starts drawing walks again.
It doesn’t take much to have a BABIP-inflated first two weeks at Coors anyway.
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Our Savior has come!!
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by Junction Rox on Jun 30, 2011 12:59 PM MDT up reply actions
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