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Rockies 4, White Sox 6: Rox Blow Early Lead, Bullpen Devoured in Todd Helton's 2000th Career Game

DENVER, CO - JUNE 30:  Todd Helton #17 of the Colorado Rockies singles in the third inning during Interleague play at Coors Field on June 30, 2011 in Denver, Colorado. Helton played in his 2000th career Major League Baseball game, all of them with the Colorado Rockies.   (Photo by Doug Pensinger/Getty Images)

Former Rockie nightmare Jake Peavy returned to Coors Field representing the White Sox, and though the team managed four runs off of this former nemesis, they proceeded to lose the rubber game of the series despite an encouraging outing from starter Aaron Cook.

The man of the day was Todd Helton, who played his 2000th career game today, all of which have come with the Rockies. He was 2 for 5 on the day with two strikeouts a run scored.

The Rockies offense did most of its damage in the first inning. After singles from second baseman Jonathan Herrera and first baseman Todd Helton (both of whom had two hits in the game), Troy Tulowitzki knocked them in with a home run, setting a positive tone early.

Despite four walks allowed, Cook produced eight ground ball outs over his six innings pitched, including two double plays. The only White Sox run he allowed came in the second inning when center fielder Alex Rios, who had previously walked and advanced on a hit by pitch and a fly-out, scored on a wild pitch. Cook did not allow an extra base hit in the five he did allow to Chicago. Regardless, Cook would not be given his first win of the season after the White Sox tied the game later on.

The Rockies added another run in the sixth when catcher Matt Pagnozzi, having struck out the previous two at bats against Peavy, batted in his doppelganger, right fielder Seth Smith, who had doubled earlier in the inning. The White Sox had intentionally walked left fielder Charlie Blackmon ahead of Pagnozzi.

Rafael Betancourt was selected to pitch the top of seventh inning today, where he allowed a solo home run to second baseman Gordon Beckham. After recording a pop-out, Betancourt was replaced by lefty Rex Brothers. After recording the second out and allowing a single and a walk, Jim Tracy called for the third pitcher of the inning, Matt Belisle, who got Rios to ground out on one pitch. The Rockies threatened offensively in the bottom of the inning against reliever Will Ohman, but were unable to score with a bases loaded opportunity.

Disaster struck in the eighth as the bullpen devouring continued with Matt Lindstrom coming in to throw. After getting first baseman (at the time) Mark Teahen to ground out, Lindstrom allowed three straight hits, with shortstop Alexei Ramirez coming around to score, followed by pinch hitter A.J. Pierzynski on a sacrifice fly from left fielder Juan Pierre. The Rockies once again threatened in the bottom of the inning against former Colorado draft pick Chris Sale, but were unable to bring Blackmon around score after a leadoff infield single.

For the third straight time, closer Huston Street was called in to pitch the ninth inning of a tied game. It didn't work out so well last night, but Street retired the first two batters with ease. Teahen frightened the crowded with a deep fly ball to left field that was caught by Blackmon at the wall for the third out.

Nearly out of bullpen pitchers, Tracy called on long reliever Clay Mortensen to throw the tenth. With the bases loaded and one out Mortensen allowed a Pierre single, scoring what would be the two winning runs for Chicago. One batter too late, a double play ended the inning. White Sox closer Sergio Santos finished the game with a one-two-three inning.

Ouch.


39 - 42

6.5

Lost 2

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The Rockies also welcome new teammate Mark Ellis to the organization, after having traded Bruce Billings and a PTBNL/cash before the game. Ellis is expected to be ready to play tomorrow, meaning a roster move will be made after the game.

Also we agreed to terms with supplemental round draft pick Trevor Story. Yeah, that happened.

The Rockies are now half way through the season. They play the Royals at Coors Field, 6:10 PM Mountain Time tomorrow.

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Oh, yay!

It took me half the year, but I finally made centurian!

I'm gonna change my sig because the last time I did, we had a little winning streak. Then I changed it back, and we started losing again. It's the least I can do.

by prettyinpurple on Jun 30, 2011 5:12 PM MDT reply actions  

I didn't...

but I think I at least deserve an assist on hjj’s centurion…. :=)

We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!

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by Junction Rox on Jun 30, 2011 5:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

Like, zero relevancy

Rocktober is not a time of year, it is a religion.

by hjrrockies on Jun 30, 2011 11:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

at best

the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox

maybe firing tracy isn't the answer, but something's just not clicking out there

by papality on Jun 30, 2011 11:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

And this is something new around here?

We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!

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by Junction Rox on Jun 30, 2011 11:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

there's a new guy at the NSA this week

the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox

maybe firing tracy isn't the answer, but something's just not clicking out there

by papality on Jun 30, 2011 11:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

I like the Mark Ellis move.

Good defence is all we can hope for out of 2B this season. None of the kids seem to be able to hit ML pitching.

OK, so instead of sucking in April as usual, we sucked in May this season. I can live with that.
Fear the Smeth!

by azdenfan on Jun 30, 2011 5:15 PM MDT reply actions  

That graph makes me so sad :-(

"I'm giving up everything except family and the World Series." ~ Huston Street

"I hope this game isn't horrible. Because if it is, we're going to have to wait until tomorrow to see the Rockies win." ~6-yo

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by Rox the Casbah on Jun 30, 2011 5:15 PM MDT reply actions  

Looks like my 401K, for sure.

OK, so instead of sucking in April as usual, we sucked in May this season. I can live with that.
Fear the Smeth!

by azdenfan on Jun 30, 2011 5:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

ain't that the truth...

"I'm giving up everything except family and the World Series." ~ Huston Street

"I hope this game isn't horrible. Because if it is, we're going to have to wait until tomorrow to see the Rockies win." ~6-yo

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by Rox the Casbah on Jun 30, 2011 5:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ugh

"I think I speak for everyone in here when I say: It''s playoffs or bust"- Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger
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by SDcat09 on Jun 30, 2011 5:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

this comment amuses me in ways I cannot identify

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Jun 30, 2011 5:34 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

kinda like the old Wildcat at Elitchs

Showing extreme symptoms of Rocky Mountain Baseball Fever since 1993.

by WalkInRight on Jun 30, 2011 5:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

I loved that one!

In mourning for Jorge's ulnar collateral ligament and lost season.
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by DAWNMARIE01 on Jun 30, 2011 9:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

I probably went centurion on tweets today.

Disgusting bullpen performance.

Cook did not pitch well, yet still handed the pen a three run lead. This game was in hand. And that’s entirely the fault of the arms in the pen, and not the manager running them out there.

"We have done everything possible to be set for this day, for this season. It's time to go. We are ready. I can promise you that." - CarGo

by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 5:17 PM MDT reply actions  

Yeah but at some point

you run that many guys out of the pen every day to get 3, 4, or 5 innings, you are going to give up a run. I’d imagine our bullpen era in this series is pretty decent all things considered.

by moomacher on Jun 30, 2011 5:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

Give up a run, yeah.

Give up FIVE runs? Not so much.

"We have done everything possible to be set for this day, for this season. It's time to go. We are ready. I can promise you that." - CarGo

by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 5:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

I dunno

as you may know, I’m no Tracy basher (yet) and I do think the guys in the unis deserve 99% of credit/blame, but the management today was quite awkward. But the real blame probably lies with the bats for leaving so many ducks on the pond.

by Teekalong on Jun 30, 2011 5:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

Funny thing that...

considering how many of our teams hits came from the guys the RP was saying had “no business in MLB starting lineup”.

Meanwhile, Cargo and Seth stunk up the joint today for the most part, as did Blackmon and Wiggy, and every pitcher in the bullpen except Street.

"We have done everything possible to be set for this day, for this season. It's time to go. We are ready. I can promise you that." - CarGo

by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 5:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

welcome to SSS

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Jun 30, 2011 5:35 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

And yet every single individual game is SSS and the bitching and moaning in here is legendary

So maybe the only correct and appropriate response in any game thread about someone you don’t like, not performing is, SSS. Because in the context of that game, it surely is…SSS.

No?

Then maybe we need to accept that today, Herrera was the ideal #2 hitter in our lineup. My gosh, that preferred alternate candidate, Seth Smith…boy was he spectacular.

"We have done everything possible to be set for this day, for this season. It's time to go. We are ready. I can promise you that." - CarGo

by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 5:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

yes....people overreact

Not sure overreacting the opposite direction against it for the same ways is beneficial.

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Jun 30, 2011 5:39 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

It's not overreacting when it's a response to 6-8 posters every day ranting about it.

"We have done everything possible to be set for this day, for this season. It's time to go. We are ready. I can promise you that." - CarGo

by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 5:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

shoving something in people's faces after one game's SSS

Isn’t overreacting to people complaining about Herrera being offensively worthless for two months?

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Jun 30, 2011 5:45 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

the Row shoves people's performances in any given day's single game in my face every game we lose

I can remember Wiggy being a “stupid acquisition” like it was just a few weeks ago. Daily. Because it actually happened.

TODAY, maybe not tomorrow, but TODAY, Tracy’s starting lineup pwned the Row.

"We have done everything possible to be set for this day, for this season. It's time to go. We are ready. I can promise you that." - CarGo

by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 5:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

Perhaps, but to me you do honestly sometimes seem

to make a concerted effort to actively counter it far more often & far more vociferously than is probably helpful.

(And you know I’m generally not one of those people doing what you’re trying to counter. So I’m not just getting defensive.)

by holly96 on Jun 30, 2011 5:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think I do actively counter it

Because there needs to be a place for rational thought here.

And when a given person proclaims Herrera as the ANSWER to all our 2b problems in April, and that he should be the regular #2 hitter in that spot….that person doesn’t get to just completely act now like they never held that position mere weeks ago. But I’m not going to attack any individual posters on that…but it’s absolutely legit to point out that Herrera was in fact seen as the solution.

And now on a day like today when he actually performs like that, it’s appropriate to point out that even this very morning before the game, a fair number of rowbots were accusing Tracy of basically not wanting to win this game.

Baseball is a funny thing like that. Herrera and Cook and Pagnozzi contributed far more to whatever success this team did have today, than the current anointed golden boy savior Seth Smith. And Herrera started multiple rallies today when Cargo failed.

And his 2011 numbers are STILL well better than Nelson’s. And well better than Ellis’ in fact.

"We have done everything possible to be set for this day, for this season. It's time to go. We are ready. I can promise you that." - CarGo

by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 6:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

But there's a point to where actively countering it becomes counterproductive

and just gets people overly defensive. Not saying you have to be silent. Just perhaps not be so aggressive about it.

by holly96 on Jun 30, 2011 6:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

yes

The message that’s seems to be coming across isn’t “See? Things work out and Tracy isn’t a total idiot.”

It’s “all of purple row is misguided and dumb because Herrera had two hits today and everyone was too critical of him, everyone except me”

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Jun 30, 2011 6:12 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Because "See? Things work out and Tracy isn’t a total idiot."

Does nothing here. People have it far too dead set in their agendas that Tracy is the problem….and most of that is traceable to his folksy demeanor (which I don’t personally care for), and his poor record in Pittsburgh when he had squat for talent.

"We have done everything possible to be set for this day, for this season. It's time to go. We are ready. I can promise you that." - CarGo

by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 6:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

You can lead them to water, but you can't make them think.

"We have done everything possible to be set for this day, for this season. It's time to go. We are ready. I can promise you that." - CarGo

by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 6:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

Of course it's not

The difference is, Jim Tracy is actually nowhere near the worst manager in the game. Not by a long shot. At absolute worst, he’s middle of the pack and by-the-book.

Which is why every time I challenge folks to name one person they’d replace him with in season who is actually available and demonstrably better….they can’t name anyone and instead just call me a Tracy apologist.

"We have done everything possible to be set for this day, for this season. It's time to go. We are ready. I can promise you that." - CarGo

by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 6:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

apparently jack mckeon was available until about a week ago

the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox

fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee

by papality on Jun 30, 2011 6:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

Except he wasn't.

He was already a special assistant employed by the Marlins. So no, he wasn’t available.

"We have done everything possible to be set for this day, for this season. It's time to go. We are ready. I can promise you that." - CarGo

by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 6:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

Let me rephrase...he was ONLY available to the Marlins and no other team.

"We have done everything possible to be set for this day, for this season. It's time to go. We are ready. I can promise you that." - CarGo

by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 6:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

they say there is no drier pipeline of up and coming talent than that of the mlb manager

Partly because managers don’t add much….they all just manage egos and follow the book in their own ways.

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Jun 30, 2011 6:36 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Well, you're still being a Tracy Apologist

even if you aren’t saying he’s the best in the game, because I know that’s not what you’re saying.

Sticking up for him is great, and I encourage it. Not because I’m necessarily gonna as well, but balance and stuff.

I suppose the problem is that my stance is pretty “meh” regarding managers in general, while others’ stances are not.

I dunno. I think I used to be a lot more insufferable when I was just “Counting Rocks Guy”, because the whole SABR thing was my persona. I like to think I’m more sufferable (is that the right wording there?) if I’m not openly calling everyone out immediately for “lol RBI whatev”. I haven’t backed down from “SABR stats are totally important stuff”, but even if someone isn’t gonna buy it, I’m still gonna cite it.

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by Andrew Martin on Jun 30, 2011 6:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

If by "more sufferable" we have to suffer more of you...

lolol…I keed, I keed.

I don’t disagree that managers actually have a very limited impact. But that’s sort of my point. Why do we have to face calls for his hanging around here every damn day, when it actually doesn’t matter to the team’s success whether or not he goes?

"We have done everything possible to be set for this day, for this season. It's time to go. We are ready. I can promise you that." - CarGo

by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 6:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

I could also be entirely full of crap with that last statement

and I’m sure that many a person is reading the last statement and thinking I’m full of crap.

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by Andrew Martin on Jun 30, 2011 6:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

I respect you for being the strong voice against the easy frustrated masses

I lost the energy quickly from doing that myself. But from the outside, your method just comes across as condescending, and as difficult to read as the comments you are fighting against, especially when your comments are replies to people you’ve mistakenly included in the petty masses.

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Jun 30, 2011 6:20 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

The leading Tracy apologist

points out any positive that can be found and ignores the rest, typical.

May be time to get Tim Tebow some reps at 3rd base, Chris Nelson is Free!!!
Tired of the over-managing and poor play? Fire Jim Tracy!

by Shaz_Bagl on Jun 30, 2011 5:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

Who's an apologist?

He doesn’t require apologies.

And I’m not ignoring the fact that Giambi should have PH in the 7th.

But the fact remains we still had a two run lead at that time.

"We have done everything possible to be set for this day, for this season. It's time to go. We are ready. I can promise you that." - CarGo

by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 5:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

He made more then a few bad moves today

but whatev, I really don’t wanna rehash this conversation anymore today. It is what it is at this point and doesn’t appear to be getting any better.

May be time to get Tim Tebow some reps at 3rd base, Chris Nelson is Free!!!
Tired of the over-managing and poor play? Fire Jim Tracy!

by Shaz_Bagl on Jun 30, 2011 5:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

His moves were well outperformed by...

…the moves made by his players.

But it’s okay…we know where your agenda lies…you hated Tracy from the beginning so I agree, no need to rehash. Players don’t have to accept any responsibility or accountability for their performance.

"We have done everything possible to be set for this day, for this season. It's time to go. We are ready. I can promise you that." - CarGo

by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 5:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

They aren't exclusive things, Mondo

I can think Jim Tracy makes boneheaded moves AND the players absolutely failed to execute!

See, this way NOBODY’S happy!

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by Andrew Martin on Jun 30, 2011 6:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

At least we've got the whole organization on the same page...

We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!

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by Junction Rox on Jun 30, 2011 6:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

Okay, I LOL'd at that.

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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 6:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

I like pointing out positive things too

Aaron Cook didn’t completely suck today!

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by Andrew Martin on Jun 30, 2011 5:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well, he did in the 2nd inning...that was ugly, very ugly

Even uglier to watch live.

"We have done everything possible to be set for this day, for this season. It's time to go. We are ready. I can promise you that." - CarGo

by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 6:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

Damn, where were you?

I had great seats but never sat in them because it was too hot and sunny and I didn’t bring shorts/tennis shoes and was in my work clothes…stood under the concourse all day.

"We have done everything possible to be set for this day, for this season. It's time to go. We are ready. I can promise you that." - CarGo

by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 6:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

We were up in 317

Boss gave us a 4.5 day weekend and took the company to the game.

My boss rules.

Like a boss.

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by Andrew Martin on Jun 30, 2011 6:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

And I had to burn 3.5 hours of vacation for that crap outcome.

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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 6:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

that's certainly a downer.

Iunno, I enjoy going to the ballpark even when we lose. It sucks more when we lose, but as they say, a bad day at the ballpark/fishing/[leisure activity] is better than a good day at the office.

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by Andrew Martin on Jun 30, 2011 6:26 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

For me, it's not that we lose...but on days like today...

…it’s in how we lost.

Though I tend to live by your last clause.

"We have done everything possible to be set for this day, for this season. It's time to go. We are ready. I can promise you that." - CarGo

by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 6:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

pick a career you love, and you'll never work a day in your life

/cliche smackdown

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jun 30, 2011 6:32 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

and by "something like that" you mean

pushing Jim Tracy and Jonathan Herrera out the window. ;-)

"We have done everything possible to be set for this day, for this season. It's time to go. We are ready. I can promise you that." - CarGo

by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 6:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

we pushed a White Sox fan out of Coors Field on Tuesday.

"We have done everything possible to be set for this day, for this season. It's time to go. We are ready. I can promise you that." - CarGo

by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 6:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

I can't figure out

if Wiggy is just really unlucky or secretly terrible in a way that we can’t see in the statistics.

by moomacher on Jun 30, 2011 5:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

Both, really.

"We have done everything possible to be set for this day, for this season. It's time to go. We are ready. I can promise you that." - CarGo

by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 5:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Blackmon

is becoming a concern. His boost to the offense was very helpful, but now he’s dragging way back down. I hate being the whiner about this guy, but I really don’t see what so many see in him. the Dex Failure may have really been far worse than teh Stew Failure in terms of torpedoing this season so far.

by Teekalong on Jun 30, 2011 5:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

The guy needs to play to develop

we all knew there would be some growing pains.

May be time to get Tim Tebow some reps at 3rd base, Chris Nelson is Free!!!
Tired of the over-managing and poor play? Fire Jim Tracy!

by Shaz_Bagl on Jun 30, 2011 5:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

I agree

I have been a devout Blackmon-lover from the beginning, and even though he has faded, he’s still a rookie. Consistency will take time. I have a feeling he’s going to be kind of a streaky player like Tulo is, but ultimately will bring a lot of offense to the lineup.

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by Michelle Hoag on Jun 30, 2011 7:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

One of my frustrations as a baseball fan in general..

is how people get down on players when they’re in a slump. Nobody hits their career AVG over the span of the season. If it’s .300 it means they’re going to hit +.400 for a few weeks -.200 for a few weeks and somewhere in between the rest of the weeks.

Blackmon leads the team in K%, he’s also one of the best on the team in making contact on pitches in the zone. He might be a little overaggressive, but he’s just in a slump right now. Let him play out of it.

Same thing with Mr. Herrera. He actually leads the team in z-contact%, better than Helton. Maybe he won’t be a high SLG guy, but he can get on base and string together base hits. In addition to that both players are good defensively and provide value in that way.

by Charlie77 on Jun 30, 2011 7:42 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

my problem

is that he seems to be a one trick pony a la Pierre: contact/speed. He has rumored power but I don’t think I’ve seen him drive one ball since he’s been up. He surely hits some hard liners, but so does Herrerra. I’m not killing him and I fully acknowledge he’s got to be given time to grow, but right now I don’t see anything more than a 4th OF playing everyday. Thus, my note that Dex’s failure is so significant.

by Teekalong on Jun 30, 2011 8:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

it's his first ML callup

the power might not show up till next time

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by black_knight101 on Jun 30, 2011 9:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

Truth

The sample size is small. Blackmon is a great contact hitter (as is Herrera, on the road at least). He’ll find his happy medium sooner or later.

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by Michelle Hoag on Jul 1, 2011 10:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

The Dex Failure sure disrupted the lineup a lot more than the Stew Failure

but both together are a big problem. We’ve gone way too deep into our farm system for non-injuries this year.

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by RoarFrom112 on Jun 30, 2011 5:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

I disagree to the extent that the Stew failure torpedoed 3B *and* 2B

If Stew had performed at all, Wiggy would be our 2B today.

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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 5:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

Interesting

I thought Wiggy’s job was to be mostly Helton insurance, but to start mainly at 1st and 3rd with an occasional stint at 2nd. Could he really have been an everyday middle infielder?

The problem with 2nd is we gave 3 guys a shot at 2B and none of them could earn the job. Now we’re giving a 4th guy a shot.

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by RoarFrom112 on Jun 30, 2011 5:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

He was brought in to be the utility supersub and as Helton insurance

However, he has played a fair bit of 2B. Defensively, he’s certainly no great asset (though better than EY2, I’m certain)….but given the Lopez failure, and Wiggy’s competence with the bat this year…had Stewart done his job, I am convinced that when 2B failed, it would have been Wiggy who was shifted over there.

Wiggy’s started 145 games at 2B in his career.

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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 6:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think the ‘Aw, man, Wiggy could have played second base!’ crowd this year is awfully similar to the ‘Aw, man, Melvin Mora could have played second base!’ crowd last year.

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by Franchise26 on Jun 30, 2011 6:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

that's a trick post: the only baltimore jerseys you can buy say ripken

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by papality on Jun 30, 2011 6:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

But not really, because Wiggy actually has played 2B and is primarily an IF

Mora has a total of 26 starts at 2B in his career. Of which over 1/3 were actually when he was with us.

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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 6:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

Coming from me, the following will be entirely armchair scouting, and I only half believe what I'm saying

But I don’t trust Wiggity’s range at 2B. He has the arm for 3B, and quick enough reaction time for the hot corner, plus all that experience at 3B as compared to 2B.

I’d rather have “rangey von noodlearm” at 2B and “quickdraw mc5-3” at 3B.

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by Andrew Martin on Jun 30, 2011 6:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

The word "giggle" makes me feel all flirtatious.

I mean…uh…

yes, baseball analysis with silly words. Yes.

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by Andrew Martin on Jun 30, 2011 6:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

teehee

/alternate version of “giggle”

by holly96 on Jun 30, 2011 6:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ms Holly

You’re trying to [flirt with] me, aren’t you?

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by Andrew Martin on Jun 30, 2011 6:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ohhhhh rejected

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by Resolution on Jun 30, 2011 6:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

I totally don't trust his range at 2B, either.

And I think he’d be a liability (though less than EY2).

But I do think his bat would make up the different. I think he’d be a small liability, not a trainwreck liability.

But I can totally accept where I’m wrong there.

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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 6:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't think there's a right or wrong until it happens. Assuming it happens.

I feel bad for EYJ. He’s just not good enough, and the org is throwing him at any wall he might stick on, and he just keeps peeling off.

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by Andrew Martin on Jun 30, 2011 6:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

a giant?

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by papality on Jun 30, 2011 6:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yup

Speed is an intoxicating talent. But when it’s the only thing you have…eventually, it becomes clear there’s no future.

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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 6:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

there could be with another club

it’d have to be a club that has even worse 2B options than Colorado (or whatever position) and would be willing to just leave him there because they’re already en route to a 62-100 season anyhow.

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by Andrew Martin on Jun 30, 2011 6:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

milwaukee's SS options are about equal to our 2B options

and they’re probably the second or third best team in the league

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by papality on Jun 30, 2011 6:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

he could probably play a better SS than betancourt

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by papality on Jun 30, 2011 6:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yup

In fact, I half think he was called up solely to try to showcase as tradebait.

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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 6:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

wouldn't be surprised

shot ourselves in the foot there, didn’t we?

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by Andrew Martin on Jun 30, 2011 6:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

What's sad about EYj is when you compare him to Stew..

People joke that Stewart has never “slopped hogs” which I’m sure means he doesn’t work hard enough and that’s why he’s in AAA again. EY definitely “slops the hogs” and works his butt off doing it. Unfortunately it’s not enough and they both are in the same place when it comes to helping the organization.

by Charlie77 on Jun 30, 2011 7:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

Oh totally.

Slopping hogs and talent have to work together though, or else you end up with Stew or EYJ.

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by Andrew Martin on Jun 30, 2011 9:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

One game?

I take everything back!

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by Andrew Martin on Jun 30, 2011 5:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks Teek

Tracy is not our issue, despite other opinions.

OK, so instead of sucking in April as usual, we sucked in May this season. I can live with that.
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by azdenfan on Jun 30, 2011 5:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

What you just said is heresy in these parts

I agree with you 100%.

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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 5:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

Please don't blanket the entire site with stuff like this

Just like a PH K makes Tracy look like a bonehead, a 2-for-4 day from a guy who really has no business batting in the 2 hole makes him look like a genius.

It’s complete confirmation bias, and deep down everyone knows it.

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by Andrew Martin on Jun 30, 2011 6:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

Just as its confirmation bias when Tracy bunts the winning run over in the 9th with no outs and they don't score

that doesn’t make it the wrong move.

So let’s just treat everyone here the same and remind them of confirmation bias when they string up Tracy here.

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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 6:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure that's what I did

citing that everyone knows it.

Baseball is a game of patience. Baseball analysis is a game of patience. Baseball fandom….not so much.

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by Andrew Martin on Jun 30, 2011 6:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

IAWTC if you replace...

“baseball fandom” with “baseball posting on teh internets”.

And it’s only more true in the “I think real baseball is as easy as MLB2K11” generation.

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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 6:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

i once struck out 450 batters in 310 innings in MLB2k11, why can't ubaldo do that?

HMMMM!?!?!??!?

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by papality on Jun 30, 2011 6:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

I’m working on a 43 1/3 inning scoreless streak with Ubaldo on my second season on my MLB: The Show dynasty. He’s 6-0 with a 0.17 ERA in his first six starts. He is like the ‘Bo Jackson in Tecmo Bowl’ of that game.

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by Franchise26 on Jun 30, 2011 6:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

that's not as impressive as when I

Recorded a nine out save with Clayton Mortensen, striking out seven and getting two popouts. That shouldn’t even be possible

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jun 30, 2011 6:41 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

I could see that in real life

especially if the Rockies were already up by 7 and the starter gets injured in the 7th without getting an out.

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by jrockies on Jun 30, 2011 6:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

except maybe the strikeout part

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by jrockies on Jun 30, 2011 6:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

that was the big part of it

I have played maybe 100 games and reached 7 Ks total maybe five times. My franchise is ranked last in Ks. That shouldn’t have happened.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jun 30, 2011 7:19 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

They should design a game to emulate the actual experience of managing a pro baseball team

Except most people would throw it out the window and run over it with their car after 2 weeks and go back to playing MLB2k11 or whatever

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by RoarFrom112 on Jun 30, 2011 10:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

OOTP Baseball

Rocktober is not a time of year, it is a religion.

by hjrrockies on Jun 30, 2011 10:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

or Baseball Mogul

I still think OOTP is somewhat lacking though.

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by Andrew Martin on Jun 30, 2011 10:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

eh, before the internets, people were kneejerking all over the place.

See: Major League

“[Janitor as a construction worker] These guys suck”
“[Lunch counter guys] I don’t know about these guys”
“[Japanese] They’re shitty”

Later

“[Janitor as a construction worker] hey these guys ain’t so bad”
“[Lunch counter guys] Hm, maybe they’re not so bad”
“[Japanese] They’re still shitty.”

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by Andrew Martin on Jun 30, 2011 6:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

and yet when it's here at the Row, they take offense at being called "bandwagoners"

when that’s precisely what the lunch counter guys and janitor were.

Can’t really have it both ways.

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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 6:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well.........

I think I’m gonna disagree. Bandwagoners would be tuning into the season in September 2007 when the Rockies had already won like 11 of 11 en route to 163/WS.

Lunch counter guys and janitor were following the whole season, but criticizing.

But I can see the stance of:

April: Tracy is a jackass bonehead who couldn’t cook boiling water

September: Tracy is the best manager this team has ever had and just knows how to WIN

as being bandwagoning on a stance, but not on the team.

Saying the team sucks but still following them is not bandwagoning, at least as far as I see it.

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by Andrew Martin on Jun 30, 2011 6:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

It's certainly been bandwagoning with respect to both Tracy and Herrera

which is kinda what i"m getting at.

Damn, I gotta split for rehearsal

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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 6:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

best o luck

If Herrera gets demoted, I’m already mentally working out a post

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by Andrew Martin on Jun 30, 2011 6:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

I definitely don't think he's the main issue

but today he was part of the problem, not part of the solution. Which is fine. Not every decision is going to work, and sports coaches/managers are generally only graded on how often they screw up with little consideration given to when they get the little things right. But all that said, today was not his best day.

by Teekalong on Jun 30, 2011 5:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

He makes some bad decisions, he makes some good decisions

but his job would have been a whole lot easier had those bases loaded situations turned into 2 runs scored instead of 3 LOB. A microcosm of the season — there’s no single thing that’s failing consistently, it’s an ever-changing combination of things, which is why it’s so damned hard to pin it down.

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by RoarFrom112 on Jun 30, 2011 5:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

Of course

I’m a big believer in the players making the managers/coaches look great/terrible. But in baseball, each guy wearing a uniform down on the field has something to do with the outcome, to varying degrees, and today a lot of those guys, including JT, didn’t have good days.

by Teekalong on Jun 30, 2011 6:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

Just like Ellis' .290 SLG and .544 OPS

I should point out that his OPS is over 100 points lower than Herrera’s.

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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 5:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

How do their career stats match up?

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by Shaz_Bagl on Jun 30, 2011 5:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

Their career stats don't matter if Ellis is, in fact, washed up.

Willie Mays’ career stats didn’t do him much good in 1973.

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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 5:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

Now, if we traded for 2007 Mark Ellis, that's a different story.

But his career has gone down little by little every year since. Until 2011, when it completely nosedived.

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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 5:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm not calling the guy a savior or anything

honestly I could care less about the move myself. But it really can’t get any worse at this point.

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by Shaz_Bagl on Jun 30, 2011 5:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

I agree it can't get any worse

Except Billings actually had some trade value and we shifted him for what is absolutely most likely no better than a lateral move.

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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 5:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

So half a season makes a guy washed up?

We better gut our entire lineup….

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by Shaz_Bagl on Jun 30, 2011 5:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

The Row said so about Atkins in 2008 and Hawpe in 2010....

live by the word, die by the word

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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 5:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah

but they were both washed up… Gotta give that guy a shot before you can proclaim him a failure. Where is the risk?

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by Shaz_Bagl on Jun 30, 2011 5:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

The only real "risk" is that we gave up Billings.

Who could have been part of a package to get us something with a greater likelihood of being an improvement.

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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 5:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

Billings was probably always going to get us something along the lines of Ellis.

I don’t think using Billings in this trade really hurts the likelihood of future moves.

by holly96 on Jun 30, 2011 5:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

Billings by himself, yeah...but Billings packaged? Dunno. Maybe.

But it remains that we have one less chip (of debatable value) and didn’t really get anything demonstrably better back in exchange.

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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 6:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

MATZEK

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jun 30, 2011 7:56 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

iswydt

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by papality on Jun 30, 2011 7:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

Was reported by The Onion...

Colorado Offense: Making bad pitchers look like CY Young Winners.

by Colsportsfan on Jun 30, 2011 5:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

Counterpoint:

Whatever the heck it is that the Athletics have to play in.

Score a goal. Unit. Basket. Go squadron! Do good! Defeat the opponents soundly in this...skirmish.

by Justus on Jun 30, 2011 5:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yes, except Ellis has played in that monstrosity for years and years and years

So it’s entirely fair to judge him on the drop in his performance, because his home stadium hasn’t changed in that time.

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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 5:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

THEY WHO CUT THE ONIONS SHED THE TEARS

Sigh.

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by WalkInRight on Jun 30, 2011 5:21 PM MDT reply actions  

I think PHLP must have owed Ellis a rapturing, or something.

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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 5:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

so he won't report tomorrow then

they’ll just find his old A’s uni on the sidewalk?

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by WalkInRight on Jun 30, 2011 5:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

Sold it on Ebay by now.

OK, so instead of sucking in April as usual, we sucked in May this season. I can live with that.
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by azdenfan on Jun 30, 2011 5:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well, they certianly didn't find his glory years' peformance in his 2011 uni.

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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 5:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

He left it in his 2010 uni.

He had a stellar year last season.

OK, so instead of sucking in April as usual, we sucked in May this season. I can live with that.
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by azdenfan on Jun 30, 2011 5:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

His 2010 was only stellar in comparison to his 2009 and 2008 seasons.

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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 5:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

he was an above average major league hitter at second base

Not all star, but very good.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jun 30, 2011 5:43 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

He was a 3.1 WAR in 2010, that's not bad.

He’s strictly replacement level this year, and 1.6 WAR in 2009. He’s doing nothing but getting older, so which one is actually more likely correct?

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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 5:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

probably somewhere in the middle

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jun 30, 2011 5:46 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Somewhere between the 0.3 of this year and the 3.1?

So that’s a 1.7…except he is in fact older, so maybe a 1.5? That’s not much of an improvement. Though his 0.3 is higher than Herrera’s.

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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 5:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

there you go...improvement

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jun 30, 2011 6:02 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

if ellis was the savior he was talking about i'm gonna be SO pissed

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by papality on Jun 30, 2011 5:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

He said in the game thread that Ellis is not the coming messiah

We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!

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by Junction Rox on Jun 30, 2011 6:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

ah. i stopped doing game threads during may.

but that’s good to know.

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by papality on Jun 30, 2011 6:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

"ah. i stopped doing game threads."

Now I’ve come across an intelligent poster today.

I wish I were as bright, sometimes.

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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 6:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

wh...

what?

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by papality on Jun 30, 2011 6:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

he said you're smart for avoiding game threads

as game threads tend to be full of knee jerk overreactions.

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by Andrew Martin on Jun 30, 2011 6:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

i know they're not worthless, it was more of a "oh crap we keep losing when i'm posting in the game thread, maybe it will get better if i stop" logic

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by papality on Jun 30, 2011 6:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

erm. no thank you.

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by papality on Jun 30, 2011 6:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

maybe if you could ban ty wigginton from hitting with RISP...

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by papality on Jun 30, 2011 6:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

I turned to my coworkers during the game

and said “We’re like 2-900 when Wiggity homers. I wouldn’t be surprised if he homers here [in the 10th] and the next 2 guys strike out looking.”

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by Andrew Martin on Jun 30, 2011 6:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

FREE STEWART!

If we’re nearing the point of cheering on the team with minimal expectations we need to up the HAR rating mas rapido. ;)

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by WalkInRight on Jun 30, 2011 5:34 PM MDT reply actions  

I tend to believe the statistical studies that show that the difference between the world’s greatest baseball tactician and a guy who fell off the turnip truck and landed in a big league dugout with a managing job is only three or four wins a season in the final analysis.

That being said, today was one of those three or four losses. Pulling Belisle after one freaking pitch was three exits past asinine, and if the answer to ‘Who should pinch-hit with a RISP in a tie game in the 8th?’ is ‘Eric Young Jr.’ I think it’s legal grounds for a sobriety test for the person responding.

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by Franchise26 on Jun 30, 2011 5:52 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

bbbbbut EY2's so hard to double-up

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by Resolution on Jun 30, 2011 5:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

Spilly had been used, you weren't going to use your backup catcher...

…and with 1B open, no way was Giambi going to actually get to swing the bat. So there weren’t really many other options.

Giambi should have PH in the 6th, though. Absolutely.

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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 5:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

and had he done so and it not worked out, Spilly would have been available in the 8th.

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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 6:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

Why not the backup catcher?

I mean, that’s just another piece of stupid conventional wisdom that a lot of managers have moved on past, but not ours. What are the chances that you do that, he doesn’t deliver, and the starter gets hurt later in the game? One in a hundred at best. And far offset by the better chance to win the game with Iannetta.

by BostonTransplant on Jun 30, 2011 6:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

Actually, it happened in MLB just this week....I forget the team but I think it was maybe Seattle

Starting catcher had to come out early…well, backup catcher actually hurt himself, and had to stay in game because there was no one else to bring in, and while he could play defense, he couldnt’ swing the bat and was ordered to bunt with runners on and TWO outs until he had two strikes, and then just hope for a walk.

Took a called strike three, of course.

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by Mondogarage on Jul 1, 2011 7:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

wow

1. i had no idea this was an afternoon game, and now have nothing else to do tonight.
2. reading the play-by-play of this game on my At-Bat 2011 on my phone was like reading a freaking novel, and not a good one.
3. it’s sad tracy decided not to go with the whole A-team for todd’s 2000th.
4. wiggy 7 LOB. no further comment necessary.
5. why was cook pulled after like 85 pitches? he wasnt lights out but he seemed to have pitched around the trouble that he had.
6. when ozzie guillen gets hired by the marlins for next season, he will fit right in in the NL; there were more double-switches, position shifts, and bullpen moves in this game than you could shake a stick at.

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by papality on Jun 30, 2011 5:54 PM MDT reply actions  

5.

Cook was pulled because his spot came up with a good scoring opportunity presenting itself.

Sadly, Spillborghs was the choice to PH for him, and the result was pretty much what you would expect…

We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!

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by Junction Rox on Jun 30, 2011 5:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

it did seem like an good opportunity, but it should have been giambi, not spilly

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by papality on Jun 30, 2011 6:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yes, this.

But the bullpen implosion is on the arms in the pen.

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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 6:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

I will grant this. Hell, it’s not like Lindstrom got crushed. And that brain-dead throw by CarGo – what a Little League bullshit play that was – was as costly as anything Lindstrom did.

But if you are using your worst reliever in the 10th inning after your starter gives you six good frames, you have done something wrong. Why is Matt Belisle such a delicate flower all of a sudden?

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by Franchise26 on Jun 30, 2011 6:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

BEcause he's pitched a shedload lately

as the reliable middle inning guy, when our starters get pulled after 5 2/3

by moomacher on Jun 30, 2011 6:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

Belisle also pitched a TON last year.

Perhaps this is an overreaction to that, in an effort to avoid having him be ineffective later on in the season.

by holly96 on Jun 30, 2011 6:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

his K rate dropped all year from around 10 in march

but his xFIPs stayed in the mid-low 2s all season… it didnt really affect him

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by papality on Jun 30, 2011 6:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

Perhaps not last year

but they could be thinking it might this year if the heavy workload is duplicated.

by holly96 on Jun 30, 2011 6:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

There's ample evidence of regression in the season following one of heavy workload.

We’re seeing that with RafBet, frankly.

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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 6:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

he's also like 50

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by papality on Jun 30, 2011 6:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

Our worst relieve pitched in the 10th

Because Betancourt and Rex Brothers sucked eggs today.

You can argue about whether or not Belisle had more to give, but it’s not on Tracy that Raffy and Rex couldn’t get outs.

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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 6:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don’t disagree – hey, man, usually we’re fighting the same battle, so take it easy on me. I’m just saying that Belisle’s the hot hand and most relievers usually have more in the tank than one freaking pitch. He should have started the eighth.

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by Franchise26 on Jun 30, 2011 6:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yes, mine too

But that said, my only real Tracy question marks at all were that, and not using Giambi in the 6th.

However, the Giambi thing is actually understandable in the context that we still had a two run lead and the White Sox have an unimaginagble FOUR lefties in their bullpen. In fact, even the Belisle thing is understandable for the same reason….though Lindstrom really shouldn’t be used in back-to-back games when it can be helped, so it’s a bit less so.

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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 6:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yup, that's what I meant.

I’m also saying that the decision not to do was is in fact totally defensible by the fact we were actually up by two runs at the time, and had a pen that had been almost untouched in the series.

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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 6:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yup, that.

And several of them had semi-low pitch count innings and wouldn’t have been considered gassed.

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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 6:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

The bullpen was pretty used up

He should have stayed in. He’s not even a bad hitter. Bad decision.

by BostonTransplant on Jun 30, 2011 6:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

I have a serious question:

wtf just happened?

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by Resolution on Jun 30, 2011 5:55 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Apparently Matt Cain hit 1,000 career strikeouts today.

I know this because the Giants still send me e-mails and decided to inform me of such.

by holly96 on Jun 30, 2011 6:00 PM MDT reply actions  

send them a thank you note

and Cain some flowers.

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by Resolution on Jun 30, 2011 6:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

This team depresses me

On a game by game basis they’re consistently mediocre. They show up in one or two aspects on any particular day/night, but never all of them. Worse than that is that there’s not much changing this season. No one gobbling up salary that we can and would want to dump. No easily pluggable holes (and really no glaring holes at all besides 2B). Nobody in the springs to wait for, now that Blackmon and Brothers made it. Nope. All that’s left to do in 2011 is:

1) Wait and see if Rosario gets called up in September
2) Hope Ubaldo can finish stronger than he started so we still feel like we have the “real” Ubaldo when 2012 rolls around
3) Hope Giambi gets traded to someone who can get him a ring
4) Wait for good news on JDLR’s recovery

And I think that sums it up. To all the positive people around here who are shocked/furious at those of us writing off the season, I’ll happily come around and eat crow if they threaten for a playoff spot. My prediction: somewhere between 84 and 78 wins, about 10ish games off the pace. Sigh. Thanks Rockies! You really know how to follow up an encouraging win with some depressing losses.

Wait, what's his real name? We should make a joke out of that.

by BrandonHawpe on Jun 30, 2011 6:01 PM MDT reply actions  

5)

better to root for the rockies than the 3-13 2011 Denver Broncos

by moomacher on Jun 30, 2011 6:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

better to root for the rockies than the 3-13 2012 Denver Broncos

FYP.

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by Mondogarage on Jun 30, 2011 6:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

Nah

I’ve got them getting at least 6 or 7 wins by 2012.

Wait, what's his real name? We should make a joke out of that.

by BrandonHawpe on Jun 30, 2011 6:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

You assume a 16-game NFL season next year

I fear they may lose a game or two yet, so it’s more like the 2-12 2011 Denver Broncos. Though that is better than the 0-0 2011-12 Denver Nuggets.

by free7694 on Jun 30, 2011 7:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, the NBA won't play this year

I’ve heard some say they might lose the 2012-13 season, as well. It’s THAT bad.

by free7694 on Jun 30, 2011 7:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

I highly doubt that happens.

I’m still holding out hope for a short season, but I’m not terribly confident of that. I mostly think the logistics of losing an entire season, with another draft (2 classes of rookies!) and free agency and such would be a nightmare.

by holly96 on Jun 30, 2011 7:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

So LeBron will have an actual excuse for not winning a title next year.

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by Mondogarage on Jul 1, 2011 7:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

Oh, you're all in here

WELL I HAD THINGS TO SAY ABOUT MARK ELLIS AND DAMMIT I’M NOT REPOSTING THEM IN HERE BECAUSE THEY’RE ALL REPLIES

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by Andrew Martin on Jun 30, 2011 6:08 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Cheerful news from MLBTR

apparently there’s about two dollars in spare change left in the piggie bank

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/06/odowd-little-financial-room-to-make-move-.html

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by WalkInRight on Jun 30, 2011 6:52 PM MDT reply actions  

that's always the party line, though

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by papality on Jun 30, 2011 6:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

well they had to eat Jose Lopez' contract

and they have some dead weight in AAA at the moment.

Not that it’s forever dead weight, but it ain’t making money right now.

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by Andrew Martin on Jun 30, 2011 6:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

pretty sure we 'd be able to top 90 mil without dick and charlie going hungry

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by papality on Jun 30, 2011 7:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

black means positive, right?

so that’s even MOAR money

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by papality on Jun 30, 2011 7:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

This is an unprofessional team

I don’t really mean that word exactly, but I don’t have a better one. Obviously, they’re mostly – or all – good guys who don’t do stupid ass things off the field. But there are certain things that professional baseball players at the highest level (really all professional athletes) do that we either don’t or do poorly, and have nothing to do with raw physical talent. Among them:

1. Think with pitchers, realize the patterns they’re seeing, and respond/adjust to them. We’re just awful at this, and incredibly stubborn.
2. Change our approach in high leverage situations to get “enough” done, instead of failing to do “everything.” Shorten our swings, inside out a blooper away from the defense, block a sacrifice fly to medium center field. Ease up the velocity to hit some spots, and change speeds to get overly aggressive hitters out with RISP.
3. Pick our spots to be aggressive on the basepaths.

There are many more. I really do think all the talk around this team of how immensely talented they are has f#$#ked with their heads. They aren’t learning the, for want of a better word, veteran tricks that are crucial to winning games at this level. #1 above completely killed Stewart’s and Fowler’s career, in fact.

Very very frustrating. And though agree 99% of this is on the players, the only thing I can see left to try is dump Tracy, hire some sort of hard-ass old guy and see if we can clean this thing up. Probably wouldn’t work, either, and would be unfair to Tracy, but that’s where we’re at.

by BostonTransplant on Jun 30, 2011 6:58 PM MDT reply actions  

Oh of course

Should have inserted “nearly”. But it wouldn’t surprise me at all.

by BostonTransplant on Jun 30, 2011 7:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm the reverse on that

I think Stewart can get back to being a very good MLB hitter if he just learns to adjust his swings based on how he’s being pitched. He’s got the bat speed, the hand-eye, everything he physically needs. Fowler’s going to be a harder case, because he doesn’t have the bat speed really, imo and based on nothing but watching him from behind home plate. He doesn’t adjust to pitches either, but I’m not sure he physically can.

by BostonTransplant on Jun 30, 2011 7:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

not only that

But a team will take another chance on a former top prospect with great speed and cf defense than one with just good 3B defense

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jun 30, 2011 7:41 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Can I pitch?

I'm gonna change my sig because the last time I did, we had a little winning streak. Then I changed it back, and we started losing again. It's the least I can do.

by prettyinpurple on Jun 30, 2011 7:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

Jim Riggleman is available

He whipped the Nationals into shape

by free7694 on Jun 30, 2011 7:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

I could easily be wrong on this

but I’d think since he’s still technically under contract with the Nationals, even though he walked out on it, he couldn’t actually play for another MLB franchise until next season at the earliest.

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by RoarFrom112 on Jun 30, 2011 10:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

well, i think he would probably do better at managing than playing, at this point in his career

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maybe firing tracy isn't the answer, but something's just not clicking out there

by papality on Jun 30, 2011 10:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

Heh

Yeah… “he couldn’t actually play for manage another MLB franchise”

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by RoarFrom112 on Jun 30, 2011 10:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

No.

He’s like Tracy-light. Particularly the player-alienating Tracy that we are lucky not to have gotten to see here in Colorado.

by DumbAndNerdy on Jun 30, 2011 10:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm going to go ahead and call for a managerial change.

This team has underperformed all year and it’s no longer a small sample size. Halfway through the season, the Rockies do not look to make the playoffs without a spark. Jim Tracy, sadly, should probably be removed and replaced with somebody who has some new ideas and can especially make better in-game decisions.

by Mr. Rockie on Jun 30, 2011 7:02 PM MDT reply actions  

Yeah, I think it's coming, and it will be sad

Because most of this is around pig-headedness of the players, who are just not growing up very fast. But that’s the business.

by BostonTransplant on Jun 30, 2011 7:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

I love this whole "somebody" bit.

Come up with actual names.

No? Don’t have any?

Didn’t think so.

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by Mondogarage on Jul 1, 2011 7:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

So just watching Wandy Rodriguez pitching. Do we think we still should, could, might get him?

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by SDcat09 on Jun 30, 2011 7:03 PM MDT reply actions  

from cots

3 years/$34M (2011-13), plus 2014 club option

    signed extension with Houston 1/25/11 (avoided arbitration, $10.25M-$8M)
    $1.5M signing bonus
    11:$7M, 12:$10M, 13:$13M, 14:$13M club option ($2.5M buyout)
    option may become guaranteed based on performance
    option becomes player option with trade

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by papality on Jun 30, 2011 7:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

so yes, yes we should, could, and very well might

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by papality on Jun 30, 2011 7:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

Really? Them's some big big numbers

More than fills Cook’s slot in the payroll, in fact.

by BostonTransplant on Jun 30, 2011 7:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

....and cook will be leaving after this season no matter what

so what’s the issue

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by papality on Jun 30, 2011 7:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

4 years/$10M (2009-12), plus 2013-14 club options

    signed extension with Colorado 1/27/09
    09:$0.75M, 10:$1.25M, 11:$2.8M, 12:$4.2M, 13:$5.75M club option ($1M buyout), 14:$8M club option ($1M buyout)
    2014 option only if 2013 option is exercised (may void 2014 if traded)
    2013 option increases to:
        $6.75M with 2012 Cy Young
        $6.25M with 2nd or 3rd place in 2013 Cy Young vote
    2014 option increases to:
        $9M with 2013 Cy Young or 450 IP in 2012-13
        $8.5M with 2nd or 3rd place in 2013 Cy Young vote
    if traded, Jimenez may void 2014
    performance bonuses: $50,000 each for 200, 210, 220, 230, 240 IP
    award bonuses: $0.1M for Cy Young ($50,000 for 2nd-5th in vote); $0.1M each for MVP, WS MVP; $75,000 for LCS MVP; $25,000 each for Gold Glove, All-Star selection

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by papality on Jun 30, 2011 7:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

like, you can look this stuff up yourself, you know

that way you’re not wrong about stuff

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by papality on Jun 30, 2011 7:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

and it's highly unlikely we hand out a big contract extension to a pitcher, already under control for 3 seasons after this one

especially given the deals we just gave to cargo and tulo

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by papality on Jun 30, 2011 7:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

To be fair, the FO pretty much said during the offseason

that they likely would after this year. Whether his struggles or other factors change that, who knows.

by holly96 on Jun 30, 2011 7:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

any extension we sign with ubaldo is going to be as ridiculously team friendly as his current deal is

DOD will not hand out big money to a pitcher again

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by papality on Jun 30, 2011 7:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

On what grounds do you say this?

I rather suspect the promise, including discussion of numbers, has already been made.

by BostonTransplant on Jun 30, 2011 7:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

a) giving a ton of money to pitchers has far more potential for going wrong than it does for position players
b) do you really not remember the last big deals given by DOD to pitchers, and how they worked out?
c) his performance this season is precisely why it’s bad to give pitchers long-term, big-money deals

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by papality on Jun 30, 2011 7:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

Of course

But what I asked is why you think the Rockies won’t do this? Since by all reports they’ve sort of already promised to.

by BostonTransplant on Jun 30, 2011 8:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

why i think the rockies won't give ubaldo jimenez a huge extension: a short essay

a) giving a ton of money to pitchers has far more potential for going wrong than it does for position players
b) do you really not remember the last big deals given by DOD to pitchers, and how they worked out?
c) his performance this season is precisely why it’s bad to give pitchers long-term, big-money deals

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by papality on Jun 30, 2011 8:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

You're missing my point

I’m not asking why it’s a bad idea to give Ubaldo a huge extension. I’m asking why the ROCKIES won’t do this. Or are you assuming the Rox front office is infallible?

by BostonTransplant on Jun 30, 2011 8:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

the questions are the same

and therefore the answers are the same, unless you assume DOD is a total idiot and will jump at the chance to give another pitcher a $100 million contract

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by papality on Jun 30, 2011 8:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

The questions are most definitely NOT the same

And you didn’t say originally that you thought giving Ubaldo a big deal was a bad idea. Something I would have (sort of) agreed with. The Rox FO has made some bonehead moves recently, a lot, including this off season. I don’t know if you can assume they won’t lock Uball up long term at all.

by BostonTransplant on Jun 30, 2011 8:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

This seems more like a bulleted list than an essay.

But I used to be a language arts teacher so I’m picky.

by DumbAndNerdy on Jun 30, 2011 8:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

There are two grounds on which to make that statement

Exhibit A: Mike Hampton

Exhibit B: Denny Neagle

Those are a couple of contracts that’ll scar a guy for life.

by free7694 on Jun 30, 2011 7:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

i mean seriously, street's deal is more of a burden than ubaldo's is

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by papality on Jun 30, 2011 7:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

This

If we take on Wandy’s contract, we sure as heck ain’t extending Ubaldo. And zero way Houston eats any of it, because Wandy’s probably the best available pitcher on the market right now, and Houston can easily move him without having to eat any $$$.

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by Mondogarage on Jul 1, 2011 7:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

Nah, they're only going to win about 68 games this year as it is...

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by Mondogarage on Jul 1, 2011 9:18 AM MDT up reply actions  

ubaldo and wandy have the same contract length

it wouldnt interfere at all, unless a hypothetical extension for ubaldo includes reworking his current deal and paying him more money.

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by papality on Jul 1, 2011 3:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

3 years/$30M (2009-11), plus 2012 option

    signed extension with Colorado 12/11/07

    $2.5M signing bonus

    09:$8.75M, 10:$9M, 11:$9.25M, 12:$11M mutual option ($0.5M buyout)

    annual performance bonus: $0.125M for 200 or more IP

    if traded, remaining annual salaries increase by $1M

    Cook to make annual $50,000 donation to club charity

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by papality on Jun 30, 2011 7:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

essentially Wandy is only an option if we like him going forward

AND Houston pays a lot of his remaining salary for this year. I think it could happen, but we’ll see.

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by black_knight101 on Jun 30, 2011 7:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

DOD is not AA

if we get wandy, i’m pretty sure we’re not going to make houston pay for this year’s salary unless they pitch in for next year too, seeing how they’re already indebted to oswalt

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by papality on Jun 30, 2011 7:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

he's only due, at most, 3.5 mil more

we can take that on

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by papality on Jun 30, 2011 7:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

although $3 mill might be within our range.

that’s hard to know for sure.

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by black_knight101 on Jun 30, 2011 7:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

for comparison, anibal sanchez

arbitration eligible after this year, currently signed at 1/37

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by papality on Jun 30, 2011 7:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

Pythagorean Wins has us at .500 right now.

This still puts us 9–12 games out of contention for the WC or the West. I’m not sure if there is any point in too many win-now moves. The Ellis moves seems more like a stop-gap investment. I wouldn’t want the Rockies to make other moves unless they give us reliable wins next year. I’m not giving up on this, but we can’t be irrational about the nature of the moves that need to be made.

by DumbAndNerdy on Jun 30, 2011 7:33 PM MDT reply actions  

completely agree

the next couple of weeks are going to determine a lot

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by black_knight101 on Jun 30, 2011 7:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

If we decide we're out of contention or not, I'm not sure it changes anything

We don’t have any aging superstars we might want to trade for a package of young studs. We don’t have anybody more in AAA or AA who is ready to get an audition. Maybe Friedrich. Cook might be tradeable to a desperate contender, but we barely have 5 starters as it is. And we don’t have a lot of guys in the minors to package for a ML star, except the 3 of 4 that I hope (and trust) are untouchable. Fowler and Stewart cratering in AAA, and EY at MLB, has hurt in this way, too. They (especially Dex) would have been great trade chips. Now we’d just be selling low.

by BostonTransplant on Jun 30, 2011 7:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

the tradeable player is Street

somebody will want him, and if we’re out of contention we’ll have no need for him. he’s too expensive for a non-contending team.

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by black_knight101 on Jun 30, 2011 7:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

What contender needs a closer, though?

The only real option I see is Philly, and they kind of raided their farm system for Halladay and Oswalt, so what could we get back from them?

by free7694 on Jun 30, 2011 7:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

he'd be like bell or krod

only tradeable if willing to setup

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by papality on Jun 30, 2011 7:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

Bell would be a setup man of traded?

Sorry, but if I get Heath Bell, my closer’s getting kicked to the curb and Bell’s pitching the 9th (Unless I’m the Yankees.)

by free7694 on Jun 30, 2011 7:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't think Street

would have a choice if he was traded.

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by jrockies on Jun 30, 2011 7:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah that's a possibility

But I just think Street gets us less than he’s worth to us. His save numbers are obviously great, but anyone who’s faced him knows how hittable he’s been. There are a few contending teams for whom he’d be an improvement, but one of them is getting Bell, who is much better than Street IMO.

The only thing we might do that would have an impact long term is if we swing for the fences with some of our “untouchable” prospects. Guys like Blackmon, Rosario, Arenado, Tago, that level of guy. I mean, we could land a real starter or a knockout right hand hitting outfielder that way. But I would be shocked if we did.

by BostonTransplant on Jun 30, 2011 8:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

The players could play

win now and they would be fine at the end of the year.

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by jrockies on Jun 30, 2011 7:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

But I don’t think there’s much point in the FO doing the same. It’s up to the team we have now.

by DumbAndNerdy on Jun 30, 2011 8:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

Cole Garner has received a suspencion from playing with the Sky Sox due to his fight with the Salt Lake catcher last week.

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by Greg Stanwood on Jun 30, 2011 7:36 PM MDT reply actions  

Not sure, but it's not like he's going to be called up any time soon anyway,.

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by Greg Stanwood on Jun 30, 2011 7:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

*suspension*

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by Greg Stanwood on Jun 30, 2011 7:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

Probably just a Titanic deck hand rearranging chairs here, but

If Betancourt isn’t 100 percent (and he sure doesn’t appear to be), I would like to see him do a DL stint that includes the AS break. Last year he had a bad patch just like this, and I wondered if age had finally caught up with him. Then he got a little rest, came back after the break and puts up monster, monster numbers.

If he’s fallen out of the late-inning role anyway, maybe let Reynolds or Rogers or someone give him a breather and just hope against hope he can repeat last year’s second half. Might be worth a thought.

by Northsider1964 on Jun 30, 2011 7:55 PM MDT reply actions  

Man, I wanna see T3 again..

it’s like when you finish a good book and want to go back and reread it cover to cover.

by Charlie77 on Jun 30, 2011 8:05 PM MDT reply actions  

Okay, I think I might go see it tomorrow

Do you think it would be as good in the not 3D version?

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by SDcat09 on Jun 30, 2011 8:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yep..

but it’s worth paying for the 3D. It’s filmed for that throughout the whole movie. The only place it gets a little wonky is the paragliders jumping out of the plane, because it shakes to much to stay in 3d.

by Charlie77 on Jun 30, 2011 8:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

It was that good?

I saw on Rotton Tomatoes that users gave it a 90% like. I really want to go watch it.

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by CentralCaliRox on Jun 30, 2011 8:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

Your showing your age.....

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by bonaire on Jun 30, 2011 10:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

dont worry, i'm only 20 and had the same thought

unless 20’s old now, too…. crap…

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by papality on Jun 30, 2011 10:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

no, you're good

My friend and I were talking about how we’re both 27, and the comment “do you realize that there is a subset of people who are legal to drink who we would not date?”

and we both got really quiet.

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by Andrew Martin on Jun 30, 2011 10:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

here you go

http://xkcd.com/891/

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by jrockies on Jun 30, 2011 10:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

I saw that

and loved it ever so much.

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by Andrew Martin on Jun 30, 2011 10:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

I figured you did

but others around here probably didn’t

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by jrockies on Jun 30, 2011 10:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ah crap...

……maybe I’m showing my age, 42. I just didn’t realize that the Transformer movies can now be called T1, T2, T3. I don’t think that’s right.

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by bonaire on Jul 1, 2011 12:24 AM MDT up reply actions  

Still not giving up.

Wayyyyyyyyy too much baseball left to be played.

And come on, it’s the freaking Colorado Rockies. As usual, they’re going to do something to surprise everybody.

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by CentralCaliRox on Jun 30, 2011 8:19 PM MDT reply actions   2 recs

Is that you, CentralCaliRox?

I'm gonna change my sig because the last time I did, we had a little winning streak. Then I changed it back, and we started losing again. It's the least I can do.

by prettyinpurple on Jun 30, 2011 8:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

They have the same record that they had in 2007 at 81 games.

I don’t think 89/90 wins is going to do it though. It’d be much safer with 92, like the 2009 team. That team was 42-39 at 81 games. We’re about 3 games off the pace at the moment. Still doable, just not very easy.

Of course, they were 43-38 last year (not Ubaldo-adjusted). Who knows?

by DumbAndNerdy on Jun 30, 2011 8:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

OT: Anyone else read "Unbroken"?

Oh man, what a book. Guy ran in the ‘36 Olympics and then spent the war years getting shot at and crashing in planes, drifting in the south pacific with no food and water for 40+ days and then ending up in a hellish Japanese POW camp getting beaten mercilessly for years. And he just kept going. If you ever think your life has gotten tough, it will do you good to read what these bad-ass MF’ers went through in the camps and managed to survive and make lives for themselves.

100% true story and impossible book to put down.

by evers44 on Jun 30, 2011 8:21 PM MDT reply actions  

Dodgers staff checks bounce

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/06/30/dodgers-staff-checks-bounce-get-reissued/related

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by SDcat09 on Jun 30, 2011 9:03 PM MDT reply actions  

Wow...

Charlie Foxtrot doesn’t even begin to describe the Dodgers’ situation.

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by Paleface Destro on Jun 30, 2011 9:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

What a depressing thing to come home to

I guess they just didn’t have the ovaries to put it away today. Oh well. Time to feast on the Royals…please???

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by Paleface Destro on Jun 30, 2011 9:07 PM MDT reply actions  

Eric Byrnes huffs paint

I am convinced of this.

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by Paleface Destro on Jun 30, 2011 9:13 PM MDT reply actions  

He's a hoot

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by SDcat09 on Jun 30, 2011 9:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm laughing at him and Harold Reynolds going at it

These guys need their own show.

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by Paleface Destro on Jun 30, 2011 9:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

At least he gave Helton some love.

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by DAWNMARIE01 on Jun 30, 2011 9:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

This is a tough day in Rockieland

I don’t know anything else worth saying.

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by hjrrockies on Jun 30, 2011 9:30 PM MDT reply actions  

Observations from the outside

I do not get to follow the Rockies to the extent I used to in previous years for obvious reasons however I can basically analyze their problems in a few succinct categories:

1. The bullpen has been dreadful for this team. They simply have blown so many leads late. As a player one of the most demoralizing things. In modern baseball the bullpen is perhaps the biggest difference maker between contenders and pretenders.

2. The injury to De La Rosa was a big issue. They had 3 top line starters until he went down with capability of matching up well in a key series. This coupled with the real problems Ubaldo starting experiencing in late July last year. A loss of 4-6 miles per hour on the fastball and an inability to locate it. I have always told you his delivery is so herky that release point consistency will plague him and lead to inconsistency. This is the case. Look at the teams record when De La Rosa went down as compared to now.

3. The season was banked on production from four key players. Fowler, Stewart, Iannetta and Smith. Of those three only Smith has performed to expectation. Iannetta has shown paitence but will never likely hit above 260. I know the “recreational accountants” here will support Ianetta but I view him as a slightly minus defender and minus bat. Stewart and Fowler were complete disappointments. I suspected as such. Fowler simply does not make the contact a leadoff hitters needs and has become adverse to stealing bases. I have said for some time he needs to dump hitting LH and focus on shortening his stroke. He has done neither. Stewart is a stubborn and uncoachable SoCal kid. He has went from a prospect to no-spect in short order. He needs out of the organization and be sent to the AL. The kids possesses plus power and plus defense but he simply cannot comprehend how he is pitched and adjust accordingly.

4. The bench on this team is simply abysmal. Outside of Giambi there has been little production. Part of the problem is the bench had to become starters due to reason 3. I view Wigginton as a solid bench/spot start guy. He has been regulated to everyday play and it is not his strength. Spilborghs has forgotten the keys to his game (using the RCF gap) and is a minus OF player at this stage.

What does the team need:

a. solidify the bullpen
b. find a top of the order guy to create havoc.
c. fill the gap of one OF slot
d. get an innings eater at the deadline

by PinchHitLancePainter on Jun 30, 2011 9:36 PM MDT reply actions  

Iannetta’s minus bats make fewer outs than all but one of our regulars. Clearly, we need some more minus bats.

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by Franchise26 on Jun 30, 2011 9:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

no, you missed the part where his batting average sucks

also “recreational accountants” was priceless.

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by Andrew Martin on Jun 30, 2011 9:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

This.

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by hjrrockies on Jun 30, 2011 9:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

It would see TONS of pitches

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by hjrrockies on Jun 30, 2011 9:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

Heck, I think a lineup of Iannetta's (high OBP)

would be better than a lineup of high-average guys. If you don’t put the ball in play as much, you have fewer GIDP’s.

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by hjrrockies on Jun 30, 2011 9:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

K+BB+HR= for the most part good...

http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/12148

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by papality on Jun 30, 2011 9:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well I see your point there, that high BB and HR numbers can excuse bad K numbers

And in the microcosm of a single player’s season, using the straight OPS/wOBA evaluation isn’t a bad idea. But trying to stitch together the perfect lineup based on this requires a far more complex model of batted ball percentages and such.

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by Andrew Martin on Jun 30, 2011 9:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

Let's do a lineup optimizer!

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by hjrrockies on Jun 30, 2011 9:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

eh, go for it

If you know of one that takes a full batted ball profile into account that isn’t OOTP, I’d love to see it.

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by Andrew Martin on Jun 30, 2011 9:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

yes

but in general the point is higher OBP guys are better, regardless of the cost in Ks, because they dont make many other outs

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by papality on Jun 30, 2011 9:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

oh completely true.

But I do agree that some outs are more valuable than others, and linear weights have my back.

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by Andrew Martin on Jun 30, 2011 10:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

Also, remember that K% is skewed by the "at-bat" denominator

When viewed on a K’s per plate appearance basis, Iannetta isn’t the extreme strikeout machine when viewed with K%:

K per AB: 30%, league average is 20.5%
K per PA: 24%, league average is 17.6%

Still higher, but he only strikes out swinging a little more than average. He strikes out looking more than twice as much as an average player, however.

Iannetta unintentionally walks 126% more often than an average player, while still seeing just as many pitches in the zone as a league-average player. That’s a very interesting point, because it kinda debunks the whole “Iannetta draws tons of walks because you don’t see as many strikes in the 8-hole”-theory. I think that’s enough evidence to show that he needs to be higher in the lineup because his OBP is driven by skill, not by pitcher decisions.

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by hjrrockies on Jun 30, 2011 10:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

True story

But I do wonder where the line is between the SABR ideal for a lineup and needing to blend contact hitters with lower wOBA and straightline high wOBA hitters, regardless the batting profile.

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by Andrew Martin on Jun 30, 2011 9:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

yup you pretty much summed up our entire season.

I really think #2 was especially huge, and that for this team to make the playoffs we have to make a trade for a starting pitcher.

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by black_knight101 on Jun 30, 2011 9:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

DLR

injury was a killer. PHLP is right on about that. Top flight LHP going down is simply not replacable. And Jorge had matured to the point where “Bad Jorge” almost never reared his ugly head.

by RoxandRoll on Jun 30, 2011 9:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

god, THANK YOU FOR SAYING THAT

nothing made my teeth grind more than incessant “Weh weh it’s BAD JORGE”. Dude has really grown up as a pitcher.

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by Andrew Martin on Jun 30, 2011 9:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

Absofreakinglutely

Pitching skill-wise, he was dead lock strong #2, borderline ace. I’m still crushed about this.

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by Mondogarage on Jul 1, 2011 8:03 AM MDT up reply actions  

I couldn't agree more on point #4.

I love Spilly …well, less than most Rockies fans, but he had such promise in 2008. I wonder if Cole Garner would be any sort of improvement.

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by Andrew Martin on Jun 30, 2011 9:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

Can you tell me how many "late leads" this bullpen has actually blown?

And how that compares to the rest of the league?

They blew a late lead in a May series in San Francisco, one in Milwaukee, one at home against the Padres and the one today. I think Street also had a blown save in a game the Rockies ended up winning in the bottom of the 9th. Are there more? – I don’t know, I’m asking because that’s all the blown leads I can think of.

It’s just funny because on Tuesday night I didn’t notice you coming on here and saying anything about solidifying the bullpen, after they blanked the Sox for six straight innings. What’s tomorrow’s crisis?

by Northsider1964 on Jun 30, 2011 9:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

we're actually tied for 7th in fangraphs Meltdowns stat with 38, leader has 48, low is 21

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by papality on Jun 30, 2011 9:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

lol teamwork

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by hjrrockies on Jun 30, 2011 9:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

epic

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by papality on Jun 30, 2011 9:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

Good stat for lead-holding is Shutdown/Meltdown

Tracked by Fangraphs, a Shutdown is when a reliever increases the chances of winning by at least 8%, and a Meltdown is the opposite.

Rockies are t-9th in MLB/t-7th in NL for Shutdowns, with 70 Shutdown appearances.

and t-23rd in MLB/t-10th in NL for Meltdowns, with 38 Meltdown appearances.

Tied in both categories with Arizona

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by hjrrockies on Jun 30, 2011 9:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

so basically our bullpen is inconsistent

I think we would all agree with this

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by black_knight101 on Jun 30, 2011 9:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

But it's not dreadul,

particularly if you take away Paulino’s numbers. The #1 point in the post is way off. They are an average pen.

by DumbAndNerdy on Jun 30, 2011 9:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

probably

it’s definitely not at the top of my priority list in terms of finding an improvement.

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by black_knight101 on Jun 30, 2011 10:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

If you just watched the past two weeks you'd get a bad read on the bullpen

they’re going through a rough patch lately but on the whole they’ve been handling their job. We wasted far too many good performances from them by not scoring in late April and May.

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by RoarFrom112 on Jul 1, 2011 12:08 AM MDT up reply actions  

I agree

I don’t they are an elite pen. But they are a group who got overworked early because there were two experiments in the pen who couldn’t throw strikes. And just like the starters, they pitch in a home park that doesn’t forgive mistakes. So you can’t lean on them 8 out of every ten games and not expect some breakdowns.

Yet they have a bad day, and now that are the #1 weakness on the team? The Giants’ pen “blew” a tie game yesterday and had a double blown save today – are they dreadful?

Rockies just scored 9 runs in a 32-inning series at Coors Field. Do you expect to win a lot of series scoring 2.5 runs per nine innings?

by Northsider1964 on Jun 30, 2011 10:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

Make of xFIP what you will, but the Rockies pen ranks 3RD in BASEBALL in xFIP with a 3.45 mark

By far the best in franchise history. I think the pen is elite, but Tracy has mismanaged the bullpen to not have the best guys in the most important situations – thus the high number of Shutdowns and Meltdowns.

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by hjrrockies on Jun 30, 2011 10:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

When I said they weren't elite

I wasn’t putting them down. I’m a big defender of our bullpen. They pitch their a—— off and seldom get anything but criticism.

Mismanagement is a fair criticism, though I think the Shutdowns/Meltdowns stat has a lot to do with starters who very seldom get bombed, but have a habit of leaving very tight games during or right after the 6th inning. That puts the bullpen on a tightrope night after night after night.

by Northsider1964 on Jun 30, 2011 10:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yep I agree 100% there too

If I were managing only the bullpen, I’d do two things differently:

1. Maximize the number of outs recorded by each reliever – I only make a pitching change with relievers in these situations:

  • Pitch Count – The guy has reached his limit. Don’t want to overwork guys.
  • In a Jam/Raw Ineffectiveness – Runners on, and I need a better pitcher in this spot. Guy getting shelled while the lead/deficit is still reasonably close.
  • One-run games late with matchup advantages – The next lefty hits for TONS of power, so I want to make sure he’s out.

While Betancourt has been struggling recently, I don’t think a one-out based-empty situation with a two-run lead calls for a move, especially to face Juan Pierre. Also, only allowing Belisle to throw one pitch really put the team in a jam in extras. It forced another pitcher to make an appearance, which that in and of itself (warming up, etc) adds to somebody’s workload.

2. Play the matchups in smart situations. This goes back to the point above – play the matchups when runners are on base or when it’s a one-run game. You can force the whole ’pen to pitch nearly every night just because you are worried about Juan Pierre taking Betancourt deep.

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by hjrrockies on Jun 30, 2011 10:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah I agree they were overmanaged

In this White Sox series. I appreciate the fact that Tracy is trying not to work Belisle like a rented mule this year. But to get only two batters out of him in this series (on only five pitches!) was just stupid. Could have kept him in the game Wednesday night, except for the managerial groupthink that says “thou shalt throw closer in 9th inning of tie home game.” And since he didn’t do that, he could have left him in yesterday to pitch the 8th.

Better yet, let Cook pitch the 7th yeasterday, Belisle the 8th and Street the 9th, and you likely have a different outcome. And even if the Sox had still tied it against those guys, you still had Lindstrom available in extras.

by Northsider1964 on Jul 1, 2011 7:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

also we have the 3rd best relief xFIP (3.45), behind only atlanta (3.04) and SF(3.30)

and tied for 11th in FIP at 3.65, and then 18th in ERA at 3.81

so our pen has been pretty good, but a little unlucky

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by papality on Jun 30, 2011 10:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

Since the Rockies

only have one walkoff win this year winning a game where Street blew the save hasn’t happened yet.

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by jrockies on Jun 30, 2011 10:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

And since Street has only blown two saves all year, there's been scant opportunity for that, either.

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by Mondogarage on Jul 1, 2011 8:05 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah I think you're right

Street hasn’t lost any leads this year in games we eventually won. Maybe I was thinking of that game with the Brewers last year.

Anyway, the list above is all the “blown leads” I can think of from this year. I know that’s not the only measure of how a bullpen is performing, but it still refutes any statment about how, “They simply have blown so many leads late.”

So, 4 blown leads in 3 months? Seems like a wild overreaction to one game.

by Northsider1964 on Jul 1, 2011 8:33 AM MDT up reply actions  

You put get a havoc guy in the leadoff spot

move Helton to no 2. And watch Cargo and Tulo rake the rest of the year. They be seeing dead red and it would be explosive. It is a lot easier to throw them junk with the garbage in front of them.

by PinchHitLancePainter on Jun 30, 2011 9:47 PM MDT reply actions  

I'm comfortable with Helton in the 3 hole for now, seeing how nobody else seems to be stepping up to the plate consistently.

I know the LRLRLRLRLRLRLRLR thing has some merit in later innings, but I still think Smith could be a passable #2 hitter.

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by Andrew Martin on Jun 30, 2011 9:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

Smith could hit #2, and I think LRLRLRL is overrated, but....

I don’t like LLLRRR. Too easy on other teams’ bullpens. And as long as Cargo’s our best leadoff option, I think that makes it very difficult to put Smith at #2.

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by Mondogarage on Jul 1, 2011 8:06 AM MDT up reply actions  

Who, exactly, is this havoc guy?

And just to be clear, you’re talking havoc for the other team, correct?

That’s what I don’t get about all the people who want to move Carlos back to the #3 hole. Who’s going to lead off? Carlos isn’t an ideal leadoff man, but he’s the closest thing this team has right now. And personally, I think he’s seeing much better pitches now than he was in the #3 hole.

by Northsider1964 on Jun 30, 2011 9:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

eventually though i think he has to move back

but the timing of that move is going to be very tricky.

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by black_knight101 on Jun 30, 2011 9:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

Eventually, sure

Because Helton’s not going to stay in 2009 form forever. But right now Carlos and Helton are both hitting much like they were in 2009, and they worked well that year as the #1 and #3. Leave it alone for now and worry about the parts that are truly broken.

by Northsider1964 on Jun 30, 2011 9:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

I agree

honestly it might not be until next year. just saying that move has to happen at some point. maybe we grab someone at the trade deadline to hit leadoff, and that is what causes the change

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by black_knight101 on Jun 30, 2011 9:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

it's like milwaukee with rickie weeks

does his hitter profile fit elsewhere? yeah, but he has to hit leadoff simply because…. who else will? herrera? ey? nelson? blackmon maybe could, if he could figure out how to walk (not this season, in the future, i mean)

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by papality on Jun 30, 2011 9:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

I tweeted this the other night

but he has a bad case of Stephen Drew syndrome: only produces as a leadoff hitter.

No, I’m not hanging my hat on that.

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by Andrew Martin on Jun 30, 2011 9:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

i swear if you're lying about this 'trade for a savior' thing, all us regulars at PR are going to reach through the internet and smite you

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by papality on Jun 30, 2011 10:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

I haven't been around much lately

but has he ever actually indicated that the trade would be to/for the Rockies?

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by jrockies on Jun 30, 2011 10:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

for the Rockies?

Probably the actual Messiah.

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by Andrew Martin on Jun 30, 2011 11:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

this is an awfully dangerous road you're heading down, mr. martin

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by papality on Jun 30, 2011 11:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

I know

It was just too easy and I wanted to swing at a meatball.

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by Andrew Martin on Jun 30, 2011 11:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well, he does keep talking about the End of Days . . .

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by DAWNMARIE01 on Jun 30, 2011 11:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

it's gonna be pretty soon after the AS break, the way things are going

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by papality on Jun 30, 2011 11:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

And you made contact

That hog slopping is paying off…

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by Junction Rox on Jun 30, 2011 11:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

Booooooooooooooooo

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by Thnikkaman on Jun 30, 2011 9:48 PM MDT reply actions  

Something else that is important to note:

April 17-8. 119-96. .680
May 8-21. 122-140. .276
June 14-12. 111-114. .538

May is still killing us.

by DumbAndNerdy on Jun 30, 2011 10:12 PM MDT reply actions  

Lol BABIP

Rocktober is not a time of year, it is a religion.

by hjrrockies on Jun 30, 2011 10:18 PM MDT reply actions  

espn or mlbn

because if that’s espn I’m going to shit a brick that they actually look at the TTO periphs

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by Andrew Martin on Jun 30, 2011 10:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

ESPN lol

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by hjrrockies on Jun 30, 2011 10:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yo go look at Iannetta's Plate Discipline stuff

I find it STUNNNING. With three “N’s”

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by hjrrockies on Jun 30, 2011 10:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

BUT I'M EAGER FOR YOUR APPROVAL

Can’t you tell I’m craving saber-attention?

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by hjrrockies on Jun 30, 2011 10:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

honestly, the dude has supernatural plate discipline

guys like Iannetta and Dunn lead me to wonder if every batter just went up with the bat on their shoulder where the K/BB of the league would be.

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by Andrew Martin on Jun 30, 2011 10:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think I am Billy Beane's son

Because I found as much excitement in Tulo’s first walk as I did in his HR today

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by hjrrockies on Jun 30, 2011 10:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

My excitement level about walks is kind of like batting average

It doesn’t do much. I appreciate it, but the runner at 3B didn’t score, either.

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by Andrew Martin on Jun 30, 2011 10:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

It's all situation

Walks that lead off innings are awesome. Walks that bring the pitcher to the plate with two outs and a runner on 3rd, not so much.

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by RoarFrom112 on Jul 1, 2011 12:13 AM MDT up reply actions  

Actually, 4 N's.... :=)

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by Junction Rox on Jun 30, 2011 11:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

i love verlander's cheesy grin

reminds me of the vaudeville guys on family guy

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by papality on Jun 30, 2011 10:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hey guys: this'll cheer us up:

click for awesomeness

I'm gonna change my sig because the last time I did, we had a little winning streak. Then I changed it back, and we started losing again. It's the least I can do.

by prettyinpurple on Jun 30, 2011 10:29 PM MDT reply actions  

But Todd!

(What the heck is nyan.cat?)

I'm gonna change my sig because the last time I did, we had a little winning streak. Then I changed it back, and we started losing again. It's the least I can do.

by prettyinpurple on Jun 30, 2011 10:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

It's Todd :(

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by SDcat09 on Jun 30, 2011 10:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

you cant spare two minutes for todd helton?

do you also hate kittens?

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by papality on Jun 30, 2011 10:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think he's referring to the fact

that this is how people get led to the nyan.cat site.

by DumbAndNerdy on Jun 30, 2011 10:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

the what site?

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by papality on Jun 30, 2011 10:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

yeah, i just...

um. yeah.

that certainly is a thing.

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by papality on Jun 30, 2011 10:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

Dear God.

What the heck.

I'm gonna change my sig because the last time I did, we had a little winning streak. Then I changed it back, and we started losing again. It's the least I can do.

by prettyinpurple on Jun 30, 2011 10:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

For real fun,

keep pressing the lower the volume link.

by DumbAndNerdy on Jun 30, 2011 10:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

NOTHING HAPPENS!!! AHHH!!

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by papality on Jun 30, 2011 10:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

Oh

Well I have headphones and lowered my system volume, so…that works.

I'm gonna change my sig because the last time I did, we had a little winning streak. Then I changed it back, and we started losing again. It's the least I can do.

by prettyinpurple on Jun 30, 2011 10:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well it's not like I would do that.

Heck, if it weren’t for you people, I’d never know what Rebecca Black is. : P

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by prettyinpurple on Jun 30, 2011 10:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

That’s wonderful. Should have sent a poet.

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by Franchise26 on Jun 30, 2011 10:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

is a rec appropriate here?

seriously, over 3100 seconds. Kill me.

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by Andrew Martin on Jun 30, 2011 10:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

i'm at 200

i want to close it so bad but i just cant

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by papality on Jun 30, 2011 10:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

I hate all of you.

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by SDcat09 on Jun 30, 2011 10:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

1000 seconds! THIS IS MY EFFIN JAM

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by Franchise26 on Jun 30, 2011 10:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

you're awful

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by papality on Jun 30, 2011 10:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

bwaahahahaha

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by SDcat09 on Jun 30, 2011 10:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

Just think...

in the primordial days of the internet, when you were but a toddler, all we had were ASCII drawings to annoy each other.

by DumbAndNerdy on Jun 30, 2011 11:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't get it.

I’ve never left that site open more than 30 seconds. Is something supposed to happen?

by holly96 on Jun 30, 2011 11:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

So....

I really don’t get it.

by holly96 on Jun 30, 2011 11:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

Did you ever watch Star Trek: The Next Generation?

There’s an episode where Wil Wheaton and Ashley Judd save the ship from an evil mind control game. I think it’s something like that.

by DumbAndNerdy on Jun 30, 2011 11:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

shut up wil!

you’ll get nothing and like it!

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by papality on Jun 30, 2011 11:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

Heh.

I actually own the entire series on DVD. But haven’t finished marathoning it and haven’t seen that episode in years.

by holly96 on Jun 30, 2011 11:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

But became super awesome on BBT

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by SDcat09 on Jun 30, 2011 11:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

eh

He’s just kind of a spoof of himself anymore. At first it was “zomg wil wheaton the kid from star trek he’s totally a normalish guy”

and then you remembered you hated his character

and then it becomes “ok, we get it, you’re a nerd.”

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by Andrew Martin on Jun 30, 2011 11:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well, it did go along to help me not hate him anymoe

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by SDcat09 on Jun 30, 2011 11:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

worst.character.ever.

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by papality on Jun 30, 2011 11:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

I never really had a problem with him.

He was really bad in the first season, but so were all of the other characters. Of course, I was about the same age when TNG was originally airing, so I was the prime target for the character.

by DumbAndNerdy on Jun 30, 2011 11:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

As an example,

Troi was absolutely horrid in the first season. I would argue her character was worse.

by DumbAndNerdy on Jun 30, 2011 11:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

The Enterprise was on a mission of exploration

any military activity was strictly by necessity…

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by Junction Rox on Jun 30, 2011 11:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

oh, here we go...

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by papality on Jun 30, 2011 11:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

Better out than in, I always say...

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by Junction Rox on Jun 30, 2011 11:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

this

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by SDcat09 on Jun 30, 2011 11:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

I kind of looked at it as a moving base.

Kids live on military bases all over the world.

by holly96 on Jun 30, 2011 11:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

That's more like DS9 though.

I always thought it was just so they could be out on long missions and still have families. But they never seemed to be farther than a couple days from Earth. It was really just a marketing gimmick. But it also brought some joy to this prepubescent boy’s heart, particularly Ashley Judd and the girl that was really a giant bear.

by DumbAndNerdy on Jun 30, 2011 11:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

Same thing for me.

I was maybe a couple years younger, but not much.

by holly96 on Jun 30, 2011 11:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

This does not surprise me in the least.

/both

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by Rox the Casbah on Jun 30, 2011 11:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

Pride. Resilience.

That’s all I got.

I'm gonna change my sig because the last time I did, we had a little winning streak. Then I changed it back, and we started losing again. It's the least I can do.

by prettyinpurple on Jun 30, 2011 11:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

It's oddly hypnotic

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by SDcat09 on Jun 30, 2011 11:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

I haven't either, so I don't know.

I do know that if you hit the “Lower the Volume” about it times it gets real trippy. I don’t think there’s much more to it.

by DumbAndNerdy on Jun 30, 2011 11:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well, that was new.

I’d never tried that before.

by holly96 on Jun 30, 2011 11:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure some type of subliminal messages are being

embedded in our minds. Making us sleeper laser cat agents or something.

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by SDcat09 on Jun 30, 2011 11:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

I bailed at 250

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by SDcat09 on Jun 30, 2011 11:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

I have to go to the bathroom, but I can't stop.

I'm gonna change my sig because the last time I did, we had a little winning streak. Then I changed it back, and we started losing again. It's the least I can do.

by prettyinpurple on Jun 30, 2011 11:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think

the misconception/addiction is that it will stop. Of course it doesn’t.

I'm gonna change my sig because the last time I did, we had a little winning streak. Then I changed it back, and we started losing again. It's the least I can do.

by prettyinpurple on Jun 30, 2011 11:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

All I can hope for is that the second half of the season is better than the first

I’m pretty disgusted with the 39-42 record right now.

NO, we are NOT going to fire Jim Tracy midseason!!!!!

The Rockies couldn't be any more offensive or less offensive all at the same time.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 30, 2011 11:14 PM MDT reply actions  

Shoot for 86 wins

Don’t go crazy at the deadline trying to mortgage everything to win this year – without JDLR, the rotation isn’t enough for the playoffs anyway. Get a Wandy/Romero type that can contribute for multiple years and take Cook or Hammel’s spot in the rotation.

Rocktober is not a time of year, it is a religion.

by hjrrockies on Jun 30, 2011 11:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure we need to go crazy at the deadline

because I’m still very confident that the #1 thing that can help this team right now if for the players we currently have to start executing better. The talent is there.

NO, we are NOT going to fire Jim Tracy midseason!!!!!

The Rockies couldn't be any more offensive or less offensive all at the same time.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 30, 2011 11:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

And what I'm trying to say here is that I agree we don't need to go crazy, but I think that way for a slightly different reason

NO, we are NOT going to fire Jim Tracy midseason!!!!!

The Rockies couldn't be any more offensive or less offensive all at the same time.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 30, 2011 11:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

of course, worse things could happen than going a little crazy at the deadline

might be fun to have MLBTR going crazy

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Top 30 PuRPs

  1. Drew Pomeranz, LHP - AAA
  2. Nolan Arenado, 3B - AA
  3. Wilin Rosario, C - MLB
  4. Chad Bettis, RHP - AA DL
  5. Tyler Matzek, A (Adv)
  6. Alex White, MLB
  7. Kyle Parker, OF - A (Adv)
  8. Tim Wheeler, OF - AAA DL
  9. Josh Rutledge, SS - AA
  10. Charlie Blackmon, OF - AAA DL
  11. Rosell Herrera, SS/3B - A
  12. Trevor Story, SS/3B - A
  13. Edwar Cabrera, LHP - AA
  14. Tyler Anderson, LHP - A
  15. Rafael Ortega, OF - A (Adv)
  16. Peter Tago, RHP, unassigned
  17. Christian Friedrich, LHP - MLB
  18. Joe Gardner, RHP - AA
  19. Corey Dickerson, OF - A (Adv)
  20. Thomas Field, 2B - AAA
  21. Will Swanner, C - A
  22. Kent Matthes, OF - AA
  23. Albert Campos, RHP - released (4/19/12)
  24. Jordan Pacheco, C/UT - MLB
  25. Cristhian Adames, SS - A (Adv)
  26. Ben Paulsen, 1B - AA
  27. Josh Slaats, RHP - A (Adv)
  28. David Kandilas, CF - A
  29. Jayson Aquino, LHP - unassigned
  30. Hector Gomez, SS - DL
HM:
Edgmer Escalona, RHP - MLB
Dillon Thomas, OF - unassigned
Sam Mende, IF - A
Mike Zuanich, 1B - AA
Dan Houston, RHP - AA

updated 10/25/2011.


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