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Counting Rocks: Looking Back At Rockies' First Rounders (and Supplementers)

Having never seen him pitch, I can't claim to know a lot about Tyler Anderson.*  Keith Law poo-poo'd the pick, but I only trust his recommendations on cookware.  A big lefty with a couple of good pitches sounds like a fair deal to me, but the best quote I've seen on him comes from his high school coach in a story by the Salem Statesman Journal:

"He's an extreme competitor and an incredible hard worker," said Mike Gomez, his high school coach at Spring Valley High, in an interview with MLB.com."He's a warrior. For us in high school, he was a bit inconsistent ... he showed flashes of his brilliance. The coaching staff at Oregon did a great job of getting him to be consistent.

I'll leave it at that.  John Sickels of Minor League Ball is "very pro-Story" and I like to tell a story now and then, so we are in agreement. 

You can probably deduce the same things about these two guys from a Google News search as me.  Instead, let's take a look at the drafts of Rockies past...

*Despite going to a school that produced multiple early round disappointments for NL West Teams (Matt Antonelli, Jamie D'Antona), I never got into NCAA baseball. 

Star-divide

It's not a secret that the Rockies have had a muddled history with high first round picks, and the lower first round picks aren't an exception.  You can take your pick of whether Jamey Wright (28, longevity) or Jason Jennings (16, brief promise) is the better pick, but the best is either yet to come (Parker, Wheeler, Brothers, Friedrich?) or Jake Westbrook (21, arm problems).  Jennings is probably my choice.  He provided the memorable debut CG shutout and HR versus the Mets in 2001, and was the export in the trade that netted Taylor Buchholz and Willy Taveras.

Below are all Rockies picks from the latter half of the first round, as well as the supplemental round, that made the major leagues or are no longer with the club, plus those take in the supplemental round (1S).  A few ground rules for the list:

  1. As mentioned, these don't involve players drafted from 1-15;
  2. WAR figures are taken from Fangraphs, not B-R; and
  3. Cumulative Rockies WAR tallies the WAR produced by the draftee, plus anyone acquired in a trade for the draftee or drafted as a result of compensation gained by the draftee signing with another club*; and
  4. If the draftee never appeared with the Rockies, compensation received by the Rockies upon their departure is included in Cumulative WAR.
*So, when Jamey Wright, etc. was traded for Jeff Cirillo, etc., it doesn't include the WAR generated by Brian Fuentes and others who were acquired for Cirillo.  Simple.  In the event that a draftee was re-acquired by the team (Jamey Wright), Rockies and Cumulative WAR both include that production.

Year (Round, Pick)

Player

Rockies WAR
(avg/season)

Cumulative
Rockies WAR

Peak Rockies
wOBA/FIP

Career
wOBA/FIP

Method of Departure

1992 (1, 27)

John Burke (RHP)

0.3 (.1+)

0.3

4.77

5.96

Left baseball

1993 (1, 28)

Jamey Wright (RHP)

9.4 (1.6)

17.2

4.9

5.05

Traded for Jeff Cirillo, Scott Karl

1996 (1, 21)

Jake Westbrook (RHP)

N/A

-0.1

N/A

4.16

Traded for Mike Lansing

1997 (1, 18)

Mark Mangum (RHP)

N/A

2.6

N/A

N/A

Traded for Dave Veres, Mark Hamlin

1998 (1, 28)

Matt Roney (RHP)

N/A

N/A

N/A

5.77

Selected by Pirates in 2002 Rule V

1998 (1S, 36)

Choo Freeman (OF)

.-1.2 (-.4)

-1.2

.290

.270

Released in 2007

1998 (1S, 40)

Jeff Winchester (C)

N/A

N/A

N/A

N/A

Released or lost in 2004 Rule V (unclear)

1999 (1, 16)

Jason Jennings (RHP)

15.2 (2.5)

19.9

4.09*

4.75

Traded for W. Taveras, T. Buchholz, J. Hirsh

2001 (1S, 44)

Jayson Nix (SS)

-0.3 (-.3)

-0.3

.185

.294

Signed as FA with White Sox

2005 (1S, 32)

Chaz Roe (RHP)

N/A

-0.2

N/A

N/A

Traded for J. Lopez


*Jennings 2001 FIP (3.91) was superior, but was over 39.1 IP. 

If you're superstitious like I am, or just a fan of coincidence, you'll be glad to note that they've never picked 20th or 45th overall prior to this year, so there is nothing jinxing those spots.  Also, the only other LHPs drafted within these parameters are Rex Brothers and Christian Friedrich (see below), who hold a lot of promise.

Total production while the draftees played for the Rockies: 23.4 WAR.  Cumulative production, as a result of the draftee's performance and any compensation received by the Rockies: 38.5 WAR. 

Let's give WAR an average value of $3M for 1992-2011, the period of the Rockies existence.  Using that number, Rockies accumulated $70.2M in total benefit from their draftees' performances.  Cumulatively, the Rockies received $115.5M in value from their draftees' performances and players acquired in exchange for the draftee.

For reference only*, Erik Manning's estimation of the value of first round draft picks provides interesting insight into first round picks.  Manning looked at the average value in terms of WAR (based on $4.4M per WAR) for first rounders from 2000-2009. 

*The WAR value I used is just a guess at the average for 1992-2011 based on the dollar value of WAR over the past few years and the understanding that the average MLB salary roughly doubled from 1999 to 2011.  Where where WAR might have been relatively low from 1992-1996/97, the period of growth in average salary that followed (resulting in higher WAR values in dollars) outweighs the earlier period.  This is not meant to be precise, but just a general idea of what standard value is from first round picks versus what the value realized by the Rockies.  Also, value in Manning's calculations will be higher than those from the 1990s due to the difference in WAR dollar value . 

Manning handily broke down the value produced into slots, and picks 16-20 provided $18.9M in value during their team controlled years.  Picks 21-30 provided $6.6M in value during their team controlled years. 

The Rockies picked twice between 15-20 (Mangum and Jennings), with Manning's expected value suggesting the club should have seen $37.8M in value.  Using $3M per WAR, the Rockies received $45.6M in value (it looks even better if you adjust for WAR inflation).  All of that came from Jason Jennings (who I believe accumulated all of it during team controlled years).  Jennings provided quite a bit of surplus value, both over what he was paid and what Manning's average says the club could expect.

They picked four times between 21-30, totaling 7.8 WAR and $23.4M (this does not include Jamey Wright's second stint).  Manning's average value suggests the Rockies should have seen $26.4M.  Again, adjust for the inflation between my average WAR value and Manning's figure, and the Rockies did ok on these picks.

The above is much more  an art than a science, but so is the draft.  While it would have been better to see more draftees make contributions to the big league team, Jason Jennings and Jamey Wright - even though we might remember the lows more than the highs - provided surprisingly decent value.  Also, the Rockies have made up for the inept first round picks with later round successes like Atkins (5), Barmes (10), Hawpe (11), Spilborghs (7), and Fowler (14). 


Also, Rockies drafts have been given pretty good marks in recent years.  Below is a list of the latter first rounders and supplementers that have not yet appeared in the majors:

Year (Round, Pick)

Player

2008 (1, 25)

Christian Friedrich (LHP)

2009 (1, 32)

Tim Wheeler (OF)

2009 (1S, 34)

Rex Brothers (LHP)

2010 (1, 26)

Kyle Parker (OF)

2010 (1S, 47)

Peter Tago (RHP_

2011 (1, 20)

Taylor Anderson (LHP)

2011 (1S, 45)

Trevor Story (SS)


Needless to say, there is a realistic chance, and rightful expectation, that a pair or a few of those players might dwarf the value gained from earlier draftees. 

One note on the first chart: If I'd ever heard of or read about Mark Mangum, I had long forgotten about it.  It turns out he now runs an insurance company in Texas and has a good sense of humor.

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your last table is outdated by two days

Hooray!

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Jun 8, 2011 2:04 PM MDT via mobile reply actions  

They are

"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK

by jrockies on Jun 8, 2011 2:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

I need to finish my comment

but Rex Brothers has now made his MLB debut as well so that part might be what Fish is talking about.

"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK

by jrockies on Jun 8, 2011 2:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

Shoot, I meant to change that

And shame on me for forgetting a (hopefully) seminal moment.

by deacs on Jun 8, 2011 2:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

Funny thing

I have both the 1998 Bowman and that 1998 Topps card shown in that article about Magnum. I don’t know if I have the 1997 Bowman

"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK

by jrockies on Jun 8, 2011 2:13 PM MDT reply actions  

The 1997 Bowman is priceless.

I wonder if it would distracting for a better to watch a pitcher contort his glove hand like that.

Do you recall much about him as a player?

by deacs on Jun 8, 2011 2:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

I was 10

when he was drafted and I was only really getting into baseball at the time. I don’t remember too much about 18 year old prospects from 1998. I think Dave Veres was a decent stop-gap (except the next closer we had wasn’t great either) so that was a decent trade.

"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK

by jrockies on Jun 8, 2011 2:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

Veres wasn't bad, especially - in retrospect - at the cost to acquire him.

I also forgot to mention another quirk in the chart: in the deal that sent Mangum in exchange for Veres, the Rockies reacquired a player (Mark Hamlin) that they had traded to the Expos less than a month earlier as part of a deal for Mark Lansing.

by deacs on Jun 8, 2011 2:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

Anderson

Has had benefit of pretty decent college coaching. Saw him pitch once on television and was both a battler and amazingly athletic, caught a foul pop up (sliding) neither the catcher nor the first baseman were going to reach.

by pitcherwatcher on Jun 8, 2011 2:29 PM MDT reply actions  

Mr Anderson

A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves

by waterboy31321 on Jun 8, 2011 2:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

This is exactly what I've

been thinking since we picked Tyler Anderson.

"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK

by jrockies on Jun 8, 2011 3:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

Great write up

out of curiosity was leaving Holliday(7th Round) out of late round value intentional?

~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~

by TomCat009 on Jun 8, 2011 3:15 PM MDT reply actions  

If you look

it is only discussing late first round picks and supplemental round (sandwich) picks. He has links to articles in which picks from later rounds are discussed and in the links Holliday is not mentioned, which is probably why he’s not mentioned here.

"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK

by jrockies on Jun 8, 2011 3:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks

No, just an oversight. Someone was yapping my ear off while I was finishing this, and I didn’t realize that Russ’s draft piece linked above was a Best of the 2000s. Holliday would certainly qualify.

by deacs on Jun 8, 2011 3:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

That would explain it

Holliday was drafted in 1998

"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK

by jrockies on Jun 8, 2011 3:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

I was just refering to the late round successes section

and while he may have left under a bit of a cloud Holliday is the best High School/Late Round/OF/Cleanup hitter the Rockies have developed.

~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~

by TomCat009 on Jun 8, 2011 7:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, probably

I can’t think of anyone else at this point.

"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK

by jrockies on Jun 8, 2011 8:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

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