Wednesday Rockpile: Things That Are More Productive than the Rockies' Offense
by Jeff Aberle on Jun 8, 2011 7:45 AM MDT
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If you haven't been made aware, the Colorado Rockies' offense has been putrid. To be more clear, they've been putrid of late especially, as this eight game stretch of 13 runs scored marks a franchise low. Dave Krieger calls the lineup a work in progress, detailing the mass regression of Colorado's young hitters this year. That's like calling a hacked off limb a flesh wound. Fun fact -- the Rockies' team slugging % this year is .392 and the team's OPS is .708. Also, Colorado either walks (8.9%) or strikes out (22.4%) in nearly one third of their plate appearances -- that's in the top 5 in MLB.
Here's the issue in addition to these offensive struggles that has really deepened Colorado's offensive swoon: the Rockies haven't distributed the runs they have scored efficiently at all. How bad has it been? So far in 2011, the Rockies have scored 3 or fewer runs in 34 of their 60 games (56.7%). Last year, which as I may remind you was hardly a banner year for the offense, Colorado scored 3 or fewer in 66 of their games (40.7%).
If Colorado was scoring even at last year's pace, they would have scored 3 or fewer in only 24 games so far. At Colorado's current winning pace when they score 4 or more runs (21-5, .807 win %), those extra ten games of 4+ runs would give the Rockies 8 more wins -- that's a 36-24 record.
I know, I know, it doesn't work like that, but my point is that if the Rockies were even scoring runs with a little tighter distribution around 4 instead of 3, they'd be above .500 right now. Yes, the 2010 team scored 4.75 runs/game while this year's iteration is at 4.18, but when I say the Rockies are the unluckiest team in the league now (I have before and I'll say it again), I'm not lying.
When you look at Baseball Prospectus' MLB standings, they have it broken out by actual wins as well as 1st, 2nd, and 3rd order wins -- which basically attempt to show what record that team deserves given its production. In 1st order wins (which is calculated with runs scored and runs allowed using the Pythagenport method), Colorado has the 2nd highest disparity, 2.8 wins lower than their stats say they should be.
When you move to 2nd order wins, which uses EQR and EQRA (which adjust for park factors), the Rockies are by far the biggest underachievers, coming in at -5.2wins. In 3rd order wins (which adjust for the relative strength of their opponents' hitting, pitching, and fielding), the Rockies again "lead" MLB, 5.4 wins below what would be expected of them. To put that in perspective, the team with the second highest 2nd and 3rd order wins disparity is the Braves at -3.2. The Rockies have been the most snakebit team in the league this year, and it hasn't been particularly close.
At the very least, the Rockies are playing like a .500 team this year. And yet, here they are scuffling four games below the .500 mark. Is this all bad luck? Well no, probably not (need to execute better, have better PAs, etc.), but a huge portion of it is just that what production the Rockies have had has come at an inopportune moment. Let us hope that last night's game marked the nadir for the offense's 2011 swoon.
Notes on the draft and some Rockies news after the jump.
MLB Draft
Colorado focused on position players on day two. With their first two picks of the 2011 MLB Rule 4 Draft's second day, the Rockies picked OF Carl Thomore of a New Jersey High School and C Peter O'Brien of Bethune-Cookman.
Thomore, described by Baseball America as a "grinder with plus power", overcame a horrific ankle injury last year to rebound to 2nd round status. Here's an article about him in March (with video) that even has a quote from a Rockies regional scout. Thomore sounds like he's going to sign:
"I'm going to get better every day," Thomore said. "In four years, I'll be an outfielder for the Colorado Rockies."
Meanwhile, O'Brien is described as a power-hitting catcher who may move to 1st base (though other reports see him sticking at catcher). Here's a scouting report and some video.
Steve Foster at Inside the Rockies has a nice summary of the 29 players the Rockies picked yesterday in the draft, including some links to scouting video. There is only one person on that list that is older than me. Yikes. For more information and to track day 3 action, make sure to follow along at Purple Row and keep this link from Rockies Roster open to see who Colorado picked in each round.
Irv Moss of the Denver Post echoes a comparison that others here and elsewhere have already made -- Tyler Anderson is like Jeff Francis but with a little more velocity.
Meanwhile, our own Russ Oates has a 2010 draft review up at SB Nation Denver.
Other Links
Bill Petti of Beyond the Boxscore wonders: Is the fact that Troy Tulowitzki is striking out less making him a worse hitter? Short answer -- his patience has come at the expense of making pitchers pay for leaving fastballs up in the zone. In fact, his fastball swing and miss rate has more than tripled from last year. It doesn't really make sense to me, but then again Tulo's entire season doesn't make sense. At all.
The Rockies couldn't find any takers for Jose Lopez after they put him on waivers, so they released him yesterday. If only they could release that $3.6 million salary too...
Charlie Blackmon had a whirlwind first day in the majors. Let's hope that his second day includes a Rockies win.
On a positive note, it looks like the Ubaldo Jimenez of old is back. Need proof? Will this gif of his 99 MPH "splitter" to Brad Hawpe last night convince you?
Finally, Grant has his power rankings again...and this time ti's best drafted player names.
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I like Carson's close to that Ubaldo splitter piece
Whatever’s going on here, it’s obvious that some manner of misclassification has occurred — either by Pitch F/x for calling the pitch a splitter, or by science for suggesting that Ubaldo Jimenez is human.
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Jun 8, 2011 7:52 AM MDT reply actions 3 recs
I referenced that in the postgame last night
a true 99 mph splitter would be one of the most impressive things imagineable in sports. Regardless, seeing Uball reach back for the 99 heat to get a K in the late innings was a damn nice feeling.
I love Hawpe's reaction
“This was way more fun when I was watching hitters do this from right field.”
by controlled_slide on Jun 8, 2011 9:17 AM MDT up reply actions
Was this the one that Gameday was calling "Unknown" last night?
Altar Boy in the Church of Santo Ubaldo
"...buffalo chicken is a fine anti-depressant, after all." -UZ
It would be appropriate if gameday just labeled the pitch as:
lolz
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
it definitely called it a splitter
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jun 8, 2011 12:22 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Then what was the "Unknown?"
Altar Boy in the Church of Santo Ubaldo
"...buffalo chicken is a fine anti-depressant, after all." -UZ
That was a great pitch
But the called strike earlier in that AB is the reason behind Hawpe’s reaction.
Probably two of U’s best pitches all year right in that AB
"I am an optimist - it does not seem to be much use being anything else" - W. Churchill
Not that is should be a surprise
But the Rockies OPS+ has now dropped all the way to 83; that’s a tie for the WORST IN THE NL with San Diego.
Considering that this lineup consists of two superstars in Cargo and Tulo, the best pure hitter the Rockies have ever had who’s still giving you solid production in Todd Helton, a guy having a career year in Seth Smith, and one of the best hitting catchers in the game in Chris Iannetta, I have no explaination for this.
It’s maddening.
Wiggy’s been solid with the bat since he’s taken over at third, Nelson seems to be making quality contact, I like the callup of Blackmon – On paper, I can get really excited about this lineup, but then they go out on the field and fail to produce night after night. I don’t even know what to say anymore.
I’m lost.
NO, we are NOT going to fire Jim Tracy midseason!!!!!
The Rockies couldn't be any more offensive or less offensive all at the same time.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 8, 2011 8:24 AM MDT reply actions
You can start yelling at the baseball gods in the ether like I do.
:D
Hey Baseball Gods. FINE!!! IT HURTS!!! I HAVE SACRAFICED ALL MY TACOS TO YOU!!! WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT!!!!
This is exactly how I feel.
I think about the players the Rockies put out there, and for the most part I don’t see any huge problems. It just doesn’t make sense that they can suck this bad. I guess maybe we could still improve at third and center, and perhaps second, but other than that we have solid to above average players everywhere.
That's exactly how I feel towards this team right now.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Jun 8, 2011 12:23 PM MDT up reply actions
3rd Order Wins or not
This team is too far back for them to simply play at their true-talent level. They have to suddenly become stellar, and it’s pretty clear that they are anything but that.
Rocktober is not a time of year, it is a religion.
at least the pitching is still really good.
Some days, I feel like I’ve accidentally entered the Church of Tulowitzki on Baseball Easter.
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and the division is really bad.
Some days, I feel like I’ve accidentally entered the Church of Tulowitzki on Baseball Easter.
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I still think we're the least worst team in the division.
Some days, I feel like I’ve accidentally entered the Church of Tulowitzki on Baseball Easter.
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well said
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by Andrew Martin on Jun 8, 2011 8:49 AM MDT up reply actions
Unfortunately we also seem to be the unluckiest
NO, we are NOT going to fire Jim Tracy midseason!!!!!
The Rockies couldn't be any more offensive or less offensive all at the same time.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 8, 2011 8:52 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm gonna have to disagree with that
If you add up all the records in the division, the NL West is only three games south of .500. It’s certainly very mediocre but I don’t think it’s terrible.
The NL Central is a combined 8 games under .500 while the AL Central is 13 games under.
NO, we are NOT going to fire Jim Tracy midseason!!!!!
The Rockies couldn't be any more offensive or less offensive all at the same time.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 8, 2011 8:42 AM MDT up reply actions
I think you can make a case that the division has won 3-5 more games than they deserve
Rocktober is not a time of year, it is a religion.
All of them by the Giants
NO, we are NOT going to fire Jim Tracy midseason!!!!!
The Rockies couldn't be any more offensive or less offensive all at the same time.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 8, 2011 8:46 AM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
At least they had a 1-run loss last night
That game was set up perfectly for a walkoff 2-run bloop single. I’m just glad Storen had the strikezone last night.
Rocktober is not a time of year, it is a religion.
Yes I was thrilled with that
All night long I was just waiting for another Giant rally consisting of a leadoff walk, a passed ball, an infield single, an error, and a walkoff bloop – but thankfully it never came.
NO, we are NOT going to fire Jim Tracy midseason!!!!!
The Rockies couldn't be any more offensive or less offensive all at the same time.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 8, 2011 8:55 AM MDT up reply actions
I laughed
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by Andrew Martin on Jun 8, 2011 8:51 AM MDT up reply actions
All of them, and about 8 more
the difference is the games not won by the Rockies that should have been…
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
Whatever the manager does is wrong, unless it works. Then he's a button pusher.
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5.5 games behind team who has Aubrey Huff hitting cleanup is too far back with 101 to play?
If this offense ever starts hitting in the same solar system as it’s true potentail, they will go on a big run the way this team is pitching.
NO, we are NOT going to fire Jim Tracy midseason!!!!!
The Rockies couldn't be any more offensive or less offensive all at the same time.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 8, 2011 8:39 AM MDT up reply actions
I think the Rockies are a true-talent .530 -.550 team
If they play that way for the rest of the year, they win 80-84 games. That’s not playoffs, even in this division.
Rocktober is not a time of year, it is a religion.
This is what I keep telling myself, but I’m starting to lose faith in our offense by the day.
Rockies Fever!
I have all the faith in the world in our offense. I believed they were going to get blanked last night, and lo! they sure as hell did. I also have faith they will get shut out again tonight.
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by Franchise26 on Jun 8, 2011 8:44 AM MDT up reply actions 5 recs
+1
What makes a die-hard fan? Dying. Hard. That's "deadication".
by prettyinpurple on Jun 8, 2011 8:48 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
worst rec ever
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by Andrew Martin on Jun 8, 2011 8:52 AM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
I wonder how much that shellacking of Jaime Garcia
impacted their ‘underperformance’
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
that's what I was wondering too
take out a couple of those blowouts (which isn’t entirely FAIR, but for the sake of this example) and get an idea what their “regular” game is.
Or take out their like 3 best and 3 worst and then see what the average game looks like.
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by Andrew Martin on Jun 8, 2011 8:53 AM MDT up reply actions
If you take away that 15 run game
The Rockies have failed to score more than three runs in 13 straight games.
NO, we are NOT going to fire Jim Tracy midseason!!!!!
The Rockies couldn't be any more offensive or less offensive all at the same time.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 8, 2011 8:57 AM MDT up reply actions
ITS FOX TELEVISION'S FAULT!!!!!
There is nothing like a game of pitch and catch. 40,000 fans in purple and black can't be wrong. What's it amount to? Our Colorado Rockies.
How do you get your kids to behave? Threaten not to take them to a Rockies game. They straighten up REAL QUICK.
Actually we've done well in the games Fox has televised
It’s the ROOT Sports games where we have failed to score more than three runs in 13 straight……..
HUH
/Jaw drops
Ladies and gentlemen I think I’ve found the problem.
NO, we are NOT going to fire Jim Tracy midseason!!!!!
The Rockies couldn't be any more offensive or less offensive all at the same time.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 8, 2011 9:53 AM MDT up reply actions
I mentioned
that after the last time the Rockies won on “national” television. 2-0 on the big stage, not so great elsewhere.
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Oh wait . . .
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That game almost infuriates me even more in some weird way
It’s almost like saying, “hey look, they can be a good offense” – and then they go out and can’t score more than three in each of the next nine games.
NO, we are NOT going to fire Jim Tracy midseason!!!!!
The Rockies couldn't be any more offensive or less offensive all at the same time.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 8, 2011 8:58 AM MDT up reply actions
That game was the first I've been to in about a year
Clearly I’m the good luck charm for this team. So if you all want them to start scoring again, I suggest everyone pitch together and buy me season tickets. It’d totally work. Guaranteed at least tacos every night.
Alanna Rizzo is my dream girl.
by Cargo's Ball Sack5 on Jun 8, 2011 9:07 AM MDT up reply actions
What's your record in other games
NO, we are NOT going to fire Jim Tracy midseason!!!!!
The Rockies couldn't be any more offensive or less offensive all at the same time.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 8, 2011 9:09 AM MDT up reply actions
Only went to two last year.
Beat Milwaukee 8-7, but lost to Houston on Carlos Lee’s extra inning grand slam. Paulino started that game for Houston though, and when Paulino pitches, the Rockies always lose. I didn’t stand a chance there.
Alanna Rizzo is my dream girl.
by Cargo's Ball Sack5 on Jun 8, 2011 9:22 AM MDT up reply actions
Huh. I guess I should start playing Farmville again.
Frontierville is pretty fun too.
Aw heck with it- watching Rockies, facebook games….either way I don’t have a life.
What makes a die-hard fan? Dying. Hard. That's "deadication".
by prettyinpurple on Jun 8, 2011 8:45 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
You could be like me and start playing WoW again...
:smh:
Hey Baseball Gods. FINE!!! IT HURTS!!! I HAVE SACRAFICED ALL MY TACOS TO YOU!!! WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT!!!!
NO
IT IS TOO NICE OUTSIDE
/starts screaming
/aimlessly rides bike around
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by Andrew Martin on Jun 8, 2011 8:53 AM MDT up reply actions
You don't live in the freaking wasteland of the midwest.
I shall enact my plan of divorcing my wife and finding a lucrative position in Denver just to escape Iowa. There is no field of dreams here. Just a field of sweating like a pig while you are enveloped of only what I imagine the tendrils of Cthulhu feel like.
All for good sweet corn.
Hey Baseball Gods. FINE!!! IT HURTS!!! I HAVE SACRAFICED ALL MY TACOS TO YOU!!! WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT!!!!
I do......
hot windy and humid.
A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves
by waterboy31321 on Jun 8, 2011 9:11 AM MDT up reply actions
I know its not an excuse to start playing an MMO, but
you know what its like. My wife is fine with it, but I grew up in Colorado and the Deserts of the SW. This humidity sucks.
Hey Baseball Gods. FINE!!! IT HURTS!!! I HAVE SACRAFICED ALL MY TACOS TO YOU!!! WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT!!!!
yea grew up a little in Denver
my dad grew up in denver his entire life then moved to Iowa, after 17 years in Iowa he still can’t handle the humidity… I am however use to it….
Its nothing like the paradise of Denver, but the small town life ain’t so bad
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by waterboy31321 on Jun 8, 2011 9:44 AM MDT up reply actions
I lived in Denver (Lakewood) until I was 12
Then I moved to Las Vegas and lived there for 13 years. If the humidity gets above 20%, I am misserable.
Hey Baseball Gods. FINE!!! IT HURTS!!! I HAVE SACRAFICED ALL MY TACOS TO YOU!!! WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT!!!!
You want good sweet corn?
Olathe, CO. Also, sweet corn exists out on the plains and in the Arkansas Valley.
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by waterboy31321 on Jun 8, 2011 12:29 PM MDT up reply actions
false
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
Whatever the manager does is wrong, unless it works. Then he's a button pusher.
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by Junction Rox on Jun 8, 2011 12:31 PM MDT up reply actions
Wrong.
I’ve had an Iowan admit our NE Colorado sweet corn was superior. It was also just out of the field, so that probably had something to do with it.
Altar Boy in the Church of Santo Ubaldo
"...buffalo chicken is a fine anti-depressant, after all." -UZ
Our soil is so rich its black
however we don’t have a ton of sweet corn because we don’t like to waste the land for the sweet corn, because regular corn makes more money at the moment
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by waterboy31321 on Jun 9, 2011 8:18 AM MDT up reply actions
Silver Queen corn, a bushel of steamed crabs, and a baseball game on the radio
almost worth enduring the east coast humidity in the summer. Almost. :-)
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I've begun taking long walks at night
about 3 miles a day. It’s nice to be out in the sun and helps with my goal to get into shape…
huh. I guess I could do that,
but my bike is rusty and flat. Shows how much I ride it.
Well internet arguing it is!
What makes a die-hard fan? Dying. Hard. That's "deadication".
by prettyinpurple on Jun 8, 2011 11:22 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
wow is great
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee
I know, I know, it doesn’t work like that, but my point is that if the Rockies were even scoring runs with a little tighter distribution around 4 instead of 3, they’d be above .500 right now. Yes, the 2010 team scored 4.75 runs/game while this year’s iteration is at 4.18, but when I say the Rockies are the unluckiest team in the league now (I have before and I’ll say it again), I’m not lying.
What does any of that have to do with luck? In my book scoring runs is a skill as well as hitting and getting on base
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I can remember at least three shoulda-been hits that were snagged by Padres last night.
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So every hit and every not hit and every time on base and every out are all pure skill, not a single iota of luck?
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by Andrew Martin on Jun 8, 2011 8:54 AM MDT up reply actions
of course they contain luck
but it is a skill to begin with.
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by waterboy31321 on Jun 8, 2011 8:55 AM MDT up reply actions
via @ RhodeIslandRoxfan
Since April 29th, the Rockies are 0-4 in games where the pitching staff allows 2 runs and 1-7 in games where the pitching staff allows three runs. If the Rockies could have just played .500 baseball in those games, which is still an embarrassing waste of outstanding pitching, they would be 33-27.
That is not bad luck….thats being bad at offense period
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by waterboy31321 on Jun 8, 2011 8:56 AM MDT up reply actions
On a game-to-game level, they have been terribly unlucky too
They have had their best offensive performances on days with their worst pitching, and vice versa. We would imagine that trend to change, and for the Rox to win a close game for once.
Rocktober is not a time of year, it is a religion.
I think you are both right to an extent
There’s no doubt a foot here or a foot there might make us win a tight one once in awhile. But “luck” in baseball isn’t just flipping a coin, its all derived from some performance and no guarantee that it somehow evens out over a relevant timeframe.
it's all a very complex weave of improbable occurrences and skill
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by Andrew Martin on Jun 8, 2011 9:32 AM MDT up reply actions
The main problem with predicting baseball is thus:
The variance of non-skill factors from game-to-game is greater than the variance of talent from team to team.
In other words, it’s impossible to predict the outcome of any one game with success, because factors unrelated to skill can easily override the gap in talent. Over a long season, the talent gap is predominant, but within one game, it isn’t the biggest factor.
Rocktober is not a time of year, it is a religion.
by hjrrockies on Jun 8, 2011 9:37 AM MDT up reply actions 3 recs
With all due respect...
of course all of that is true. Or, put another way, as the old folks might say, games are not won on paper. Or “any given Sunday.” Or choose a hokey expression of your choice.
The only guys that know who will win any given game have cool/obnoxious NY accents and pay for early Sunday morning sports radio talkshows, but you gotta give them your credit card…
I meant to reply to AM sorry
I think that’s unique about baseball though – Good teams beat Bad teams less often than in other sports. In the NFL and NBA, the better team almost always wins.
Rocktober is not a time of year, it is a religion.
Yep
The NFL likes to market the “Any given Sunday” idea but there are certain things in the NFL that just can’t happen. Baseball is the by far the most unpredictable.
NO, we are NOT going to fire Jim Tracy midseason!!!!!
The Rockies couldn't be any more offensive or less offensive all at the same time.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 8, 2011 9:55 AM MDT up reply actions
perhaps
but much of that has to do with the simple fact that a pitcher is so important to team results, and outside of the playoffs, pitching matchups are awfully random. If Roy Halladay got to start every single game for Philly, their games would start to get fairly predictable. Or, if the Broncos had to alternate among 5 QBs…suddenly you introduce wild unpredictability. What’s the old quote, “momentum is just tomorrow’s SP?”
I think the Rox just need to have a couple of guys that can hit!
I am sure this is no news to any of you out there.
Right now only Helton and Smitty are doing it with consistency. As everyone knows, they need a couple of more strong bats in the lineup. Nelson showed some possibilities early one. But they need more than him.
As everyone also knows, this should have been settled in the off season, instead of gambling on guys like Lopez.
As someone already pointed out a couple of weeks ago, the Rox are wasting a lot of good pitching! Now would be a good time to drag in someone who can deliver!
Is Danny Boy listening?
by Real Perspective on Jun 8, 2011 12:13 PM MDT up reply actions
There's no one to "drag in"
You give up way too much to acquire these mysterious bats we often speak of. Other teams with more financial resources out-bid the Rockies in the FA market, and in the trade market, the FO is unwilling to part with top minor league talent.
Rocktober is not a time of year, it is a religion.
That's an explanation a poker-player can understand
Similarly, if you have AKs vs 55 in a game of hold’em, 55 has positive expected value (.519) and AKs (.478) negative. So over 162 games, 55 will likely come out on top, but it’s almost impossibly to accurately predict the results of an individual hand.
is that luck?
Or the case of a team being extremely inconsistent? One represents a good team that is falling to extremely bad luck that cannot be accounted for. The other represents a team who fails to show up some times, maybe more than others, and then shows up with greater skills other times, maybe more times than not.
One perspective is from a person who thinks the team is good but is unlucky.
The other perspective is from a person who thinks they are not a good team.
Both can be right.
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by waterboy31321 on Jun 8, 2011 9:04 AM MDT up reply actions
But who's to say that inconsistency is skill or luck?
I’ve seen no evidence that some teams are “streaky” and others aren’t
Rocktober is not a time of year, it is a religion.
I think what I was trying to say
is that its up to everybodys opinion…i think its inconsistency some on here think its luck…
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by waterboy31321 on Jun 8, 2011 9:46 AM MDT up reply actions
It's about when those hits have come
We can discuss “clutch” later, but there is significant evidence that the ability to generate baserunners correlates better with scoring than hitting with RISP. In other words, the Rox have had bad timing. Still a terrible offense though.
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Ouch
Since April 29th, the Rockies are 0-4 in games where the pitching staff allows 2 runs and 1-7 in games where the pitching staff allows three runs. If the Rockies could have just played .500 baseball in those games, which is still an embarrassing waste of outstanding pitching, they would be 33-27.
That’s so sad.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 8, 2011 8:52 AM MDT reply actions
You know what we need? A Festivus style "airing of grievances thread"
where we all just write all or complaints about this year’s team, get them out into the open.
It’s the only way to confront the team’s problems and learn to overcome.
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by Muzia on Jun 8, 2011 8:53 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I love it
We’ll get one up either later today or tomorrow.
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by Andrew Martin on Jun 8, 2011 8:54 AM MDT up reply actions
I love the idea
(and the source material) but I wonder if the internet (or Mondogarage) might just explode if Rox fans on this blog speak unfettered about frustrations (assuming they have been holding back…)
make some rules
every single person only gets one grievance post, no more. Things like that.
It could be cathartic?
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Waive the profanity regulations and it could be one of the best threads ever.
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by Franchise26 on Jun 8, 2011 9:04 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
ooooh
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I love the idea
but I can’t do it. It’s just a line I won’t cross. We kind of let people flirt with that line in game threads, but past that I don’t want it to open up.
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by Andrew Martin on Jun 8, 2011 9:34 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm already having second thoughts
in the form of a giant disclaimer on the front page
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by Andrew Martin on Jun 8, 2011 9:38 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm already excited
About seeing Holly and foagie and others tossing round the c-word like it were confetti :)
I can't even imagine holly using that particular word
I haven’t decided yet. I want everyone to participate if they want to, and I don’t want the naughty words to scare off some potentially hilarious and/or poignant grievances.
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by Andrew Martin on Jun 8, 2011 9:48 AM MDT up reply actions
We need to devise a code/safe word to dirty word cypher
Firetruck is a simple example as well as see you N toledo.
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I was driving through Bridgeport, Nebraska late one night. They’ve got one hotel on the main drag in town, and on the marquee of that hotel were two lines of text.
“BREANNE
C U NEXT TUESDAY”
I just about drove off the road. I swear on my Jason Bates rookie cards, that’s what the sign said.
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I'm anxiously waiting for another chance to get banned.
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it was worth it.
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well next time get a partner and get on the dance flo'.
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by Andrew Martin on Jun 8, 2011 9:59 AM MDT up reply actions
I AM SO ALL FOR THIS.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Jun 8, 2011 12:13 PM MDT up reply actions
That might work
along with a “no arguments” rule. As I recall the Airing of Grievances (and numerous re-enactments with drunk friends at festivus parties) a grievance stands on its own, with no protest permitted.
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Exactly.
let’s work up some rules to make it fun and then we’ll see how well it executes.
It’ll be one of those “follow every single rule or you are banned with no warnings” kind of threads.
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by Andrew Martin on Jun 8, 2011 9:35 AM MDT up reply actions
that doesn't sound fun at all
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I've seen this work on other messageboards
the rules would be things like “you can’t call out the site, the users, the staff. This is entirely on the Rockies/Coors Field/Denver/MLB”
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by Andrew Martin on Jun 8, 2011 9:39 AM MDT up reply actions
especially the luck dragons
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by Andrew Martin on Jun 8, 2011 9:42 AM MDT up reply actions
THIS
I mean, we already have the “airing of grievances” thread going daily. It’s called a game thread. Sometimes, it’s called an overflow.
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I won't explode, but you won't like my language back, either ;-)
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I will like it
I’m all for all-out debate.
I'mma just saying, if the regular banning rules apply, there's not much point.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 8, 2011 9:01 AM MDT up reply actions
LIar ;)
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I thought that's what this Rockpile was becoming :-)
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 8, 2011 9:01 AM MDT up reply actions
Great idea.
I feel I am about to explode with negativity after holding it in and trying to think positive for so long.
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by prettyinpurple on Jun 8, 2011 11:24 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Its like
continually stabbing somebody with toothpicks, plastic silverware, pens, pencils, and paper clips until you finally preak the skin
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by waterboy31321 on Jun 8, 2011 8:54 AM MDT up reply actions
"the Rockies are playing like a .500 team this year"
This pretty much sums it all up to me. Just not a very “good” squad, though not a bad one, with very few truly bright spots and a FO/management/coaching team that doesn’t seem to have any answers or any more cards left to play. A real shame given all the expectations, but that’s sports for you. Obviously I’m not giving up on the fellas, but ometimes, as Parcells says, “you are what your record says you are,” and its easier to move on to the “acceptance” phase.
But even bad teams win a damn series once in awhile. Let’s hope these jokers can win one tonight at least. A 4-5 roadie is not the worst thing in the world, all things considered.
We need to play the Nationals
We always have their number
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867-5309?
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by waterboy31321 on Jun 8, 2011 8:58 AM MDT up reply actions
I didn't know they were the Washington Jennys
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hahahaha
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by waterboy31321 on Jun 8, 2011 9:06 AM MDT up reply actions
July is only a month away
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 8, 2011 9:05 AM MDT up reply actions
my biggest complaint about the unbalanced schedule
We only get to see the Nationals and Pirates 6 times a year.
the pirates wreck us, so that's probably a good thing
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Is Carl Thomore similar to Hunter Pence?
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That would be nice
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 8, 2011 9:07 AM MDT up reply actions
oh god it would
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by Andrew Martin on Jun 8, 2011 9:41 AM MDT up reply actions
Boo.
You can do it Ian! You can do it Ian! Help the Rockies out! That is what I me-an.
by frightened inmate #2 on Jun 8, 2011 9:19 AM MDT reply actions
erns
Hey Baseball Gods. FINE!!! IT HURTS!!! I HAVE SACRAFICED ALL MY TACOS TO YOU!!! WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT!!!!
....and here come the pretzels.
this….this is a dark day for baseball folks.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Jun 8, 2011 9:27 AM MDT up reply actions
They are making me thirsty.
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Am I the only one who's worried when Tulo says
“We are kidding ourselves if we keep saying everything is fine. Maybe we aren’t as good as we thought we were,” said Tulowitzki after the Rockies were shut out for the third time. “It’s not fine when the same thing keeps happening over and over again.”
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I’m not worried. I see exactly what he sees.
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Not worrying
it would be worrying if he did say everything was fine.
Sounds like his words are born out of frustration.
Yes the Padre’s pitching was excellent last night, but Tulo should have been at least 2 for 4 last night. Something has to be done to get these guys to quit swinging at crap in the dirt.
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Wow
Did renck really call that throw by Tulo in the 5th a perfect one? I bet Tulo would have said otherwise.
Also, the last four words of that title really are not necessary.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 8, 2011 9:35 AM MDT up reply actions
I feel bad for Tulo
He must be going insane.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 8, 2011 9:58 AM MDT up reply actions
Same here. Honest.
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he was about as upset as I've seen him last night
He stayed in the dugout a while after the game ended.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 8, 2011 12:31 PM MDT up reply actions
With his performance, and with the team's.
It must be tearing him up inside.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jun 8, 2011 12:28 PM MDT up reply actions
maybe this is a way of taking some of the pressure off?
If they would just relax and have fun while at the plate, things could turn around…
hmmm...
sounds like it might not just be bad luck
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by waterboy31321 on Jun 8, 2011 10:56 AM MDT up reply actions
It's not
For an offense to be this bad you need many, many events to come together. You need to have bad approach at the plate (like not know the opposite field exists), a bunch of line drives hit right at people, superstars struggling, even worse than normal numbers with RISP, running into lots of good pitchers over several weeks, make a bunch of stupid outs on the basepaths, have your best offensive performances on the same days as your worst pitching performances (and vice versa), failure to produce late in games, and just be completely hated by the luck dragon.
So no, it’s not just luck, but it’s certainly a big part of it.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 8, 2011 11:20 AM MDT up reply actions
I want to make it clear though that I think when a couple of these things start to turn
Almost all of them will go at the same time. I don’t know when or even if that’s going to happen, but if it comes soon and the pitching staff is still doing the job they have been doing lately, this team has a REALLY, REALLY good 20-25 games stretch in it. This I am very confident on.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 8, 2011 11:25 AM MDT up reply actions
"Maybe we aren't as good as we thought we were"
makes me sad. But I’m glad he’s pissed.
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by prettyinpurple on Jun 8, 2011 11:26 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I see just as much sadness in that quote by Tulo as I do anger
Pissed Tulo could be good; because pissed Tulo will often destroy opposing pitchers. I don’t like sad Tulo.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 8, 2011 11:34 AM MDT up reply actions
I think the problem stems from the fact that
going into the season, the team’s one and only goal was to have a good April. Having quite deftly met that goal, they have nothing left to play for.
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by Resolution on Jun 8, 2011 9:33 AM MDT reply actions 3 recs
I've finally figured it out
this is all really part of a devious plan to get rid of that ‘all offense no pitching’ rep the rox have had since their inception once and for all.
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have you ever checked out Satchel Paige quote pages?
IMO, the best. Just got a cool biography of him that I need to find time to read…
which biography?
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I can't remember the name of it, just picked it up recently
I’m sure there are a few but this one I think was published w/in the last few years. Satchel stories are almost as good as his quotes. I sometimes wonder if its a real shame that the Negro Leagues have so little reliable “history” or whether its better to think that it is possible that the entire infield really sat down in the dirt for an inning because Satchel promised to strike out the side…
I have a few of his quotes coming up for sure
but it will definitely be a while.
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Cook's back tonight
I really want him to succeed.
However, I have a bad feeling that instead of a 1 or 2 run game, we’ll see more runs for the other side creating a bigger hole for our hapless offense.
at least everything will be bad
enough with this half-ass crap
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fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee
say what?
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if we get shellacked tonight, then the pitching will have matched the offense's suck-ness.
just looking for some balance in the universe.
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Go Team?
I’m happy that Ubaldo is being Ubaldo again…perhaps this means that cargo will start swinging soon, and the rest of the offense will start crushing balls.
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I think crushing balls is just what the team needs
Asking them nicely to score runs doesn’t seem to be working.
They need to crush balls
knock the freaking cover off of them like the Jet did in Sandlot.
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Have to make contact with them first
Balls could be juiced right now and we wouldn’t know it the way some of these guys strike out
I think CarGo needs to stop swinging.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jun 8, 2011 12:28 PM MDT up reply actions
This just seems like 7 weeks
of the same collapse they suffered at the end of last season.
the awful swings at bad pitches agree that they're at least trying
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I've been developing my Rox as characters from "Major League" theory
in hopes that a similar worst to first thing can happen…and for awhile I thought that the Wild Thing Vaughn/Ubaldo comparison was perfect, but I’m starting to think that its really CarGo that needs the glasses, because my man seems to have no idea where some of the balls are crossing the plate. Though I still think a reasonable comparison to Cerrano can be made. Jobu needs a refill.
Sadly, though, my whole analogy breaks down with the need to compare Roger Dorn to Tulo, and other than awesome arrogance and perhaps off-field shenanigans, they just don’t seem to have anything in common.
Ah yes, our offense's nadir
That was definitely May 5 – 10, when we lost 5 of 6 while scoring a total of 12 runs. Oh wait, maybe it was May 21 – 27, where we lost 6 of 7, scoring a total of 12 runs in the 6 losses. Oh wait, maybe it’s the last 5 games, where we’ve scored a total of 7 runs.
Oh shit- I think I see a pattern here.
Wait, what's his real name? We should make a joke out of that.
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I know...
I really don’t get how it beats rock…
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Especially when even scissors kicks its ass.
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Bomb beats them all.
Or tornado.
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by prettyinpurple on Jun 8, 2011 12:02 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
good news:
we’re 3-3 in June
Ubaldo’s back.
CarGo is capable of taking a walk.
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by black_knight101 on Jun 8, 2011 10:47 AM MDT reply actions
also very capable of
swinging and missing yet though…….
also, how many bats has he broken this year? I swear once every 2 games he breaks a bat
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by waterboy31321 on Jun 8, 2011 10:57 AM MDT up reply actions
probably a lot
What’s confusing to me is that he’s actually swinging at a lower percentage of pitches outside of the strike zone than last year, but is swinging and missing at pitches outside the strike zone at a higher percentage.
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by black_knight101 on Jun 8, 2011 11:05 AM MDT up reply actions
A couple day 3 draft notes
The Rockies 32nd round pick was Northern Colorado OF Jarod Berggren. Don’t know anything about him, but it’s nice to know the Greeley connection is alive and well.
Also, the Astros picked Aurora product Zach Dando from Central Arizona College in the same round, and a couple rounds later the Phillies picked up LHP Kyle Freeland from Thomas Jefferson HS in Denver.
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Was that his son?
I wondered, but couldn’t even really tell if the Draft Tracker said Bonilla or Bonillo…..
And you’re not the only one feeling old…
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The kid must've grown up well-fed, well-clothed and well-housed
His daddy’s contract with the Mets was one of the alltime great steals (from a player’s perspective). Along with Oliver Perez’s, I guess.
For those of us who dislike the Mets, those 2 guys belong in the “Nuke the Mets” HOF, along with Bernie M.
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aside from you know… our gaffes..
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Regarding the luck vs. skill aspect
There is no doubt that baseball requires a little bit of both, and that the Rox are very unlucky currently. Perhaps, as Tulo said, they don’t have quite as much skill as thought. But looking at the lineup, we do have legitimate talent in many positions- Tulo, Cargo, Smith, Iannetta, Helton. I feel like it comes down to clutch and timely hitting. We just aren’t getting that. I’m not looking up any stats from games and just going by memory/feel, but it seems like they get a lot of hits with no one on base. Take Wiggy’s homers in the Dodger series, or Cargo’s hit last night. I know a lot of that has to do with the pitcher throwing differently depending on the situation, but still. These guys are capable of getting the hits (they’ve proven that in midst of this offensive slump), but they aren’t producing. If the Rockies are going to turn this around, they have to take advantage of the chances they get. The RISP is the biggest blotch on the team right now.
I know I’m not pointing out any great observation or stating anything that everyone doesn’t already know. Now, if somebody could come up with a quick fix, we’d be in business.
I think you are right
and the whole luck/context issue is the missing link for statistical analysis right now. We all know RBIs, for instance, are wholly context dependent. We also know, however, that RBIs are crucial to winning a given game. So while RBIs are easily and properly derided in the grander scheme of player evaluation, the Rockies sure do need more of them.
The fundamental question:
Is hitting with RISP a skill?
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Yes.
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The mistake is
Thinking at bats all happen in a vacuum. The Rockies don’t have a luck problem, they have a skill problem.
Also the run differential issue includes way too many 1 run losses and 3 double digit run outbursts.
Where do we find evidence of clutch skill though?
Every single attempt to normalize and analyze the data says that there is no correlating ability to hit better/worse with RISP than other situations.
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My feeling is that "clutch hitting"
probably does exist in some undefinable way, but its simply not a black/white “Ortiz is clutch, Arod is not” distinction. For all practical purposes, though, its not worth really arguing about because there’s currently no way to make a conclusive case. Stats people rightly say that the evidence does not support it, based on presently available metrics. Non-stats folks will never buy the fact that Tulo has equal “clutchiness” to Clint Barmes.
my belief:
Tight game situations are no doubt stressful. A player can be clutch only so far as eliminating the stress and playing to the best (not better) of his ability. Therefore, “clutch” players don’t have a boost in ability in tight situations, they just perform closer to normal.
On the other hand, I do believe in a player having “anti-clutch”, succumbing to the pressure, pressing and being legitimately worse in tight risp situations.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jun 8, 2011 12:31 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
My thoughts too
My question has always been: If a player can give 110% “when it counts,” why don’t they do that all the time?
Rocktober is not a time of year, it is a religion.
But if a player performs normal in a high stress situation
His numbers should be better in those spots than overall (hence clutch) because he’s facing pitchers who may be anti-clutch and fold in that spot. Therefore, the overall competition should be worse in high stress situations than overall becuase some players just can’t handle it. The ones who can are clutch.
It’s not that I think some players get better in those spots, it’s that I think other players get worse. If that’s the case, the players who stay the same will see their ability to produce in clutch spots improve, even if their actual skills don’t.
NO, we are NOT going to fire Jim Tracy midseason!!!!!
The Rockies couldn't be any more offensive or less offensive all at the same time.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 8, 2011 12:52 PM MDT up reply actions
yeah that's exactly right IMO
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by black_knight101 on Jun 8, 2011 1:03 PM MDT up reply actions
Since home field advantage
is mainly impacting the umpires and not the players, I wonder if clutch situations impact them as well or exacerbate any biases they may already have…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
There's more to situational at-bats than "clutch" though
can you hit a ball to the right side with a runner on 2nd and no one out (it would show up either as a groundout or a base hit in the stats)? Can you lift a ball into the outfield with a runner on 3rd and one out (it would show up as an HR, Sac Fly, or hit)? Can you be patient and foul off pitches? Can you execute a hit and run or a squeeze? Those sorts of things matter a lot in close games.
I happen to believe the dealing with pressure aspect of it is there too, but it’s much harder to get a good statistical study. All of the above should be able to be studied as long as the context is used correctly (close game which is likely to end as a close game, situation that calls for a particular type of at-bat). I suspect that by the time you get the context correctly accounted for, you get slapped with “SSS” but “RISP in late innings” just isn’t good enough for context in baseball.
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of course it is.
the actual fundamental question, I think, is “is hitting with RISP a different skill than hitting in any other context?” The answer is likely no based on evidence, but its probably not a true “yes or no” answer in reality. But even if it is a skill, can it be measured? Maybe someday.
Does Second and Third order winning percentage take into account BABIP
or is it just what the team’s record should be based on the hits, walks, runs allowed ect… that has occured so far?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 8, 2011 11:59 AM MDT reply actions
without officially knowing
I believe it’s really just either runs allowed vs runs scored or manifestations of those two things…
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Pretty much just timing of hits
No BABIP adjustment
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That’s good news for the Rockies then because that means the just over 5 wins they have lost according to 2nd and 3rd order winning percentage don’t even include the bad BABIP breaks they have been getting. Those 5+ games are only one component of the Rockies bad luck. This means that if you include the other compenent (BABIP) the Rockies may actually be playing baseball 7-8 games better than their record shows right now.
NO, we are NOT going to fire Jim Tracy midseason!!!!!
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 8, 2011 12:30 PM MDT up reply actions
I don't think they are.
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Not in the last month no but over the 60 games total I could buy it.
If they have played 7 games better than their record indicates, that would mean they should be 35-25 right now (ten games over .500). This team was nine games over .500 in late April and has lost 11 games since then where the pitching staff has given up three runs or less. If you take away the bad luck, I could see us playing close to .500 in those games which right off the bat puts us close to 35 wins overall.
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The Rockies couldn't be any more offensive or less offensive all at the same time.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 8, 2011 12:37 PM MDT up reply actions
You can't take away the bad luck that got us here
without also evening out the extremely fortunate luck we enjoyed to get to nine games over .500.
When we were 10-2 to start the season, I got rebuked on here for saying we weren’t playing well. You know what? We really weren’t.
It doesn’t work the way you just described.
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by Muzia on Jun 8, 2011 12:54 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
You were right
we weren’t playing all that well during the stretch
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Weren't playing that well?
In the first 13 games this season, the Rockies scored 5 or more runs 10 times (something they have only done 12 times in their last 47) and they did it with solid approaches at the plate, using the opposite field, and advancing runners with productive outs. That’s good baseball and it constantly put pressure on the oppoents.
Also, in that stretch the Rockies did not have a winning record in one run games, did not have a walkoff, and did not take a game in extra innings – so the wins couldn’t have been that cheap. While we may have not been THAT good, I think saying that we benefitting from “extremely fortunate luck” or that “weren’t playing that well” is a gross exaggeration.
If a team plays the way the Rockies did the first two weeks all season long, they are puching a playoff ticket just after Labor Day.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 8, 2011 1:13 PM MDT up reply actions
I disagree.
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Watching that game last night...
reminded me of the scene from My Fair Lady wherein the cast sang about the “excitement” of the opening race at Ascot. It was “riveting, thrillling. can hardly contain the excotement”. etc. Rockies are making the game absolutely a boring episode of malfeasance and ineptitude. Cargo is flailiing like a blind bat at the zone, hoping ot hit something. Geez. And to think this was supposed to be a Division year. maybe a WS.
To say I am disgusted with this pathetic display is to be too kind. Maybe they should start with a T-ball game? This team is going to have to win a whole bunch of games to get any respect from amny other club at all…..
Malfeasance...I do not think that means what you think that it means.
Okay, inept at times for sure. Super unlucky, maybe. But malfeasance…that’s the weirdest application of that word I have ever read.
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I have regressed to
assuming no one will reach base each inning. When someone does, I assume they will not score. If they do, I jump up and down.
Bleed purple
When they score, I don't jump up and down - I check to see who got charged with the error.
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Another opportunity to take a road series
GoRockies.
I just threw up a little in my mouth thinking about the offense…
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I figured it out
Tonight, I’m buying a Dayton Dragons hat. We cannot defeat the Luck Dragon – we must start worshipping him, as the ancient Mediterranean civilizations worshipped their gods of death.
(It doesn’t hurt that the school in my hometown “borrowed” the logo, so there’s a little hometown pride there, too)
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I hear ya
I think it’s already been a tough year on everyone’s “superstitions” I’ve been following the
Jim Tracy model of trying a different combination of juju to grasp at any type of consistent success. There has been consistent failure though.
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by El Paso Jeff on Jun 8, 2011 12:12 PM MDT up reply actions
Maybe he should just pick a lineup and stick with it for a week
I mean aren’t baseball players notoriously creatures of habit?
(and this is not a Jim Tracy bash) It’s just an idea. I mean nothing else is working
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He absolutely, 100% should pick a lineup and stick to it for a week or two or six
It worked when he did it in ’09
whatever the answer is:
I’m starting to believe that if you do happen to step on a crack, it does not necessarily mean your relatives back will be broken.
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by El Paso Jeff on Jun 8, 2011 12:21 PM MDT up reply actions
I am also starting to believe
that if you step on a crack, it will break the Rockies bats…
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Junction Rox on Jun 8, 2011 12:23 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
someone gave the team the evil eye
Is the only logical answer I get. b/c “we are not as good as I think we are” like kinda hurts
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by El Paso Jeff on Jun 8, 2011 12:26 PM MDT up reply actions
So the game doesn't start until 3:30. It's not on TV here.
And the way they have been playing, I’m not sure I want to spend the $5 to see them plus parking or trolley fare.
Bah.
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Staying home
Excellent point! Maybe DOD will take notice if ticket sales drop.
by Real Perspective on Jun 8, 2011 12:19 PM MDT up reply actions
both SDcat and the Rockies are in San Diego
And the current state of the offense has absolutely nothing to do with Dan O’Dowd…
Right, maybe then this team will increase payroll
spend some money to keep the young talent from leaving as free agents. Bring some players in to shore up trouble spots like 2B. Give out some big signing bonuses to some kids out of the draft in order to get a bigger bang from mid-round picks.
Oh, wait…..
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Junction Rox on Jun 8, 2011 12:22 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well I don't think my $5 goes to the Rockies anyway
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Go, Find D'oD,
And give him 5 bucks. If you don’t, whatever happens tonight, will be your fault
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by El Paso Jeff on Jun 8, 2011 12:29 PM MDT up reply actions
LOL. Well, you're right about that.
If only I WERE omnipotent!
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Don't worry - it won't be your fault anyway.
But DOD needs to spend a bit more than 5 bucks to do some reengineering. So if you see him hanging out in San Diego, keep your money!
Fortunuately the pitching is now good! The Rox are formidable when it comes to pitching and defense. That should make it easier to patch things up.
by Real Perspective on Jun 8, 2011 2:10 PM MDT up reply actions
Is it a nice day?
If yes, you should go to the ballpark because there is no better place to be.
If no, you should go to the ballpark because there is no better place to be.
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by jrockies on Jun 8, 2011 12:23 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
yup, this
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by El Paso Jeff on Jun 8, 2011 12:27 PM MDT up reply actions
It looks horrible in LA, so I would guess it looks bad in SD.
But c’mon cat, go to the game :)
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Jun 8, 2011 12:30 PM MDT up reply actions
It's overcast and yucky and chilly.
It’s supposed to be a free game on MLB.TV I see. If it’s going to be streamed here I’ll just stay home.
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I don't know whats worse
you not wanting to see them play…or the fact you can see them play for $5
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by waterboy31321 on Jun 8, 2011 12:34 PM MDT up reply actions
Those are the Park in the Park tickets
which on a day like today doesn’t seem so appealing.
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Don't pass it up...
I would love to go to a game! Absolutely love to, but I live in the middle of freaking nowhere…no MLB team within 3 1/2 hours of here. Take advantage, live life, and watch Seth Freaking Smith win the game for us today
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by waterboy31321 on Jun 8, 2011 12:39 PM MDT up reply actions
me too
closest team is a 15 hour drive, It makes me sad to see empty stadiums or hear people pass up on going to games.
Sheesh...15 hours?
Now that’s intense.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Jun 8, 2011 12:42 PM MDT up reply actions
Where in Montana are you?
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Well I was off a little bit there
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Oooh 3 1/2 hours...
Try EIGHT!
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Jun 8, 2011 12:42 PM MDT up reply actions
Hey its the Twins
its not like they really count
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by waterboy31321 on Jun 8, 2011 12:43 PM MDT up reply actions
North Dakota, Canada?
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by waterboy31321 on Jun 8, 2011 12:47 PM MDT up reply actions
Eight here, too.
To both Denver and Arlington.
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I went to the Mets game when I was in Denver.
Isn’t that my quota for the year? :P
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I went to the Fathers games (all 3)
when I was there….and in no way should that be my quota
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by waterboy31321 on Jun 8, 2011 12:44 PM MDT up reply actions
lol
We’ll see. I’m mostly just super lazy today
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83-79 last year right?
We added Wiggy Lopez Morales Lindstrom subtracted Mora Barmes and whoever………..yeah we are about the same team get used to it
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whoa there
You can’t just add and subtract wins like that
Rocktober is not a time of year, it is a religion.
what do you mean
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by waterboy31321 on Jun 8, 2011 12:46 PM MDT up reply actions
For one thing, he means that talent's not stable.
Who did the Indians add in the off-season to improve from one of the worst teams in 2010 to leading the AL Central in 2011? Why is Minnesota in last in that division this season despite not changing anything from a year ago? St. Louis and Cincinnati also didn’t make any big changes, save the Cardinals losing Adam Wainwright for the season, and yet STL’s in first, the Reds third.
Second, he might be saying that prior season wins/losses aren’t the best prediction tool. They aren’t, we like more accurate stuff around here.
Off topic, obviously:
Will you be doing a draft post with links to track draftees as they sign and what not? All these high schoolers leads me to believe there might be a few more draft and follows than normal.
RockiesRoster.com has something of that sort.
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by prettyinpurple on Jun 8, 2011 1:43 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Sort of
But PR (which is sort of one in the same at times) was more in-depth than a list. Just curious.
They will probably
set up a thread in that fashion. I always enjoy that thread because the links to articles about the players signing are enjoyable.
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Agreed.
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I'd kill for 2010 Melvin Mora right now.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Jun 8, 2011 12:44 PM MDT up reply actions
Melvin Mora is busy killing for the Dbacks.
alongside of Don Baylor…and Eric Young Sr.
FFFFFF
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I loved Mora's bat last year
But in AZ he’s hitting .248 with a .259 OBP and .295 SLG.
And the Dbacks as a team are hitting roughly what they’ve hit the past several years, with a few less strikeouts thanks to the exile of Mark Reynolds. Not a single Dback is hitting .300 and nobody has an OBP over .368.
That’s not to say Baylor isn’t doing a good job for them, because he very well might be. But their improvement has clearly come on the mound and on the basepaths. Don’t know how much EY, Sr. is responsible for their successful running game. He may be, or it may just be Gibson’s super-aggressive approach.
by Northsider1964 on Jun 8, 2011 3:22 PM MDT up reply actions
kevin towers also constructed a major league bullpen
and they have ian kennedy and dan hudson
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fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee
Exactly
Compared to last year, the pitching is like night and day. The Dbacks always could swing the bat well enough to win, but their pitching and defense were awful.
by Northsider1964 on Jun 8, 2011 3:26 PM MDT up reply actions
They've shown some cracks in the last couple of days
I’m really interested to see how the rest of their season goes.
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The Rockies couldn't be any more offensive or less offensive all at the same time.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 8, 2011 3:28 PM MDT up reply actions
Well I'm not suggesting the Dbacks are necessarily for real
But they now have a pitching staff of a real, live MLB team. They may improve a lot on last year’s finish, or only slightly. But whatever improvement they make, this is the source of it.
by Northsider1964 on Jun 8, 2011 3:32 PM MDT up reply actions
I wouldn't
I don’t care how good he was, couldn’t stand his grumpy face
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by waterboy31321 on Jun 8, 2011 12:48 PM MDT up reply actions
I think Esmil Rogers is doing rehab start tomorrow right?
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all of the sudden we have a ton of pitchers
where does he fit into the mix? Mortensen went down for Cook Right?
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by waterboy31321 on Jun 8, 2011 1:00 PM MDT up reply actions
AHAHAHAHA
Kiszla is following me on Twitter.
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thats because your pretty in purple
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by waterboy31321 on Jun 8, 2011 1:01 PM MDT up reply actions
I hope he doesn't expect me to follow him back.
HAHAHAHAHA
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by prettyinpurple on Jun 8, 2011 1:14 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Can you lead him over a cliff?
Making sure you don’t go over yourself, of course….
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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Heh
Sure. I’ll bring my parachute.
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by prettyinpurple on Jun 8, 2011 1:24 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I only can picture the ending scene in Tremors 1 with Kevin Bacon
We Fear NO ONE.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jun 8, 2011 2:00 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Line up
RT @Rockies: #Rockies at #Padres, 6/8: Gonzalez8, Nelson4, Helton3, Tulowitzki6, Smith9, Wigginton5, Blackmon7, Iannetta2, Cook1.
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Let's do it.
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Cookie is back.
Let the sinkerballs roll!
by Real Perspective on Jun 8, 2011 2:12 PM MDT up reply actions
Fixed
Let the
sinkerballsground balls roll!
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We did need
a pitcher who could run the bases for Giambi, the only problem is Cook is actually starting this afternoon so he won’t be running for him today.
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I think we're okay - what are the chances Giambi will even get on base?
He’ll either strikie out or hit a home run.
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or GIDP
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by prettyinpurple on Jun 8, 2011 3:35 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
nicasio has set the bar pretty high
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee
Jason Hammel would like a word
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For Reference
JN: .333/.333/.667
JH: .174/.174/.304
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SSS
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For reference.
Jason Hammel – 1 HR in MLB
Juan Nicasio – 0 HR -in MLB
I think it’s a draw
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This lineup worked so well the first time, why not try it again!
Disclaimer: I actually like consistent lineups, so the statement above does not represent the views of the the author, this site, or any affiliated sites.
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Nats and Giants still scoreless in the 4th
So far this Maya fellow isn’t pitching nearly as bad as I thought he would.
NO, we are NOT going to fire Jim Tracy midseason!!!!!
The Rockies couldn't be any more offensive or less offensive all at the same time.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 8, 2011 2:33 PM MDT reply actions
Agree with this decision.
Ncasio has a great deal to offer, and Mortensen will be able to contribute.
by Real Perspective on Jun 8, 2011 4:57 PM MDT up reply actions
Did they send down Nicasio or Mortenson for Cook?
There is nothing like a game of pitch and catch. 40,000 fans in purple and black can't be wrong. What's it amount to? Our Colorado Rockies.
How do you get your kids to behave? Threaten not to take them to a Rockies game. They straighten up REAL QUICK.
guess I should've read above. LOL
There is nothing like a game of pitch and catch. 40,000 fans in purple and black can't be wrong. What's it amount to? Our Colorado Rockies.
How do you get your kids to behave? Threaten not to take them to a Rockies game. They straighten up REAL QUICK.
Greg Reynolds
We Fear NO ONE.
Because We Know: WE ARE THE ROCKIES.
by The Lodo Magic Man on Jun 8, 2011 2:36 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
us
1. Carlos Gonzalez (L) CF
2. Chris Nelson® 2B
3. Todd Helton (L) 1B
4. Troy Tulowitzki® SS
5. Seth Smith (L) RF
6. Ty Wigginton® 3B
7. Charlie Blackmon (L) LF
8. Chris Iannetta® C
9. Aaron Cook® P
There is nothing like a game of pitch and catch. 40,000 fans in purple and black can't be wrong. What's it amount to? Our Colorado Rockies.
How do you get your kids to behave? Threaten not to take them to a Rockies game. They straighten up REAL QUICK.
You could march to that lineup.
Altar Boy in the Church of Santo Ubaldo
"...buffalo chicken is a fine anti-depressant, after all." -UZ
Wow. Nice play on words there
There is nothing like a game of pitch and catch. 40,000 fans in purple and black can't be wrong. What's it amount to? Our Colorado Rockies.
How do you get your kids to behave? Threaten not to take them to a Rockies game. They straighten up REAL QUICK.
them
1. Eric Patterson (L) CF
2. Jason Bartlett® SS
3. Chase Headley (S) 3B
4. Ryan Ludwick® LF
5. Brad Hawpe (L) RF
6. Nick Hundley® C
7. Jorge Cantu® 1B
8. Alberto Gonzalez® 2B
9. Dustin Moseley® P
Looks like Hundley is back off the DL
There is nothing like a game of pitch and catch. 40,000 fans in purple and black can't be wrong. What's it amount to? Our Colorado Rockies.
How do you get your kids to behave? Threaten not to take them to a Rockies game. They straighten up REAL QUICK.
Man am I slow today or what. I need to read comments before posting. Its been awhile sonce I've been on. Been busy unpacking and setting up our house. Go ROCKIES
There is nothing like a game of pitch and catch. 40,000 fans in purple and black can't be wrong. What's it amount to? Our Colorado Rockies.
How do you get your kids to behave? Threaten not to take them to a Rockies game. They straighten up REAL QUICK.
I wanna see Blackmon get his first hit, keep the ball
get that over with and see how he plays ball.
The Big Purple Machine will make a believer outta you!
Come on Nats
You only have two runs in the last 19 innnings.
NO, we are NOT going to fire Jim Tracy midseason!!!!!
The Rockies couldn't be any more offensive or less offensive all at the same time.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 8, 2011 2:51 PM MDT reply actions
And yet they still beat the Giants last night.
"I think I speak for everyone in here when I say: It''s playoffs or bust"- Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger
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Not sure if we can beat that...
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sounds familiar
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee
And now the wheels are coming off
Of course
NO, we are NOT going to fire Jim Tracy midseason!!!!!
The Rockies couldn't be any more offensive or less offensive all at the same time.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 8, 2011 3:05 PM MDT reply actions
excellent borg reference.
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
fire jim tracy: if you can closer-by-committee, you can manager-by-committee
I was hoping that someone would notice.
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If resistance is futile...
The Rox should forfiet the rest of the season and return to SR FATS to learn how to hit again.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
I sure hope I"m not blacked out :(
"I think I speak for everyone in here when I say: It''s playoffs or bust"- Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
I remember the last time we was the "FREE" game of the day. I couldn't watch it because of where I am located.
I say “WHO GIVES A DAMN WHERE YOU LIVE?” Its free. Let us watch it. So take your blackout rules and regulations and shove them up your—-Well you know what—-must keep a civil tounge. Who agrees with me? Maybe this will go green.
There is nothing like a game of pitch and catch. 40,000 fans in purple and black can't be wrong. What's it amount to? Our Colorado Rockies.
How do you get your kids to behave? Threaten not to take them to a Rockies game. They straighten up REAL QUICK.
Well, sometimes here in SD they make the non televised games
available for free online with no blackout. I hope this is the case today
"I think I speak for everyone in here when I say: It''s playoffs or bust"- Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
they said that last time also. LOL
There is nothing like a game of pitch and catch. 40,000 fans in purple and black can't be wrong. What's it amount to? Our Colorado Rockies.
How do you get your kids to behave? Threaten not to take them to a Rockies game. They straighten up REAL QUICK.
They only do that in San Diego
Because San Diego is classy
"I am an optimist - it does not seem to be much use being anything else" - W. Churchill
Classy?
San Diego has a nice climate and the people are more sophisticated than in LA LA land, but it is still California! No thanks.
by Real Perspective on Jun 8, 2011 4:59 PM MDT up reply actions
Shove them up your....
reply links?
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
Whatever the manager does is wrong, unless it works. Then he's a button pusher.
In line for seats at the Grand Junction Rockies 2012 home opener
"I made baseball as much fun as doing your taxes" - Bill James (Simpsons version)
"Everyone study two out situations, count management, and I'll be back with some gluten free crackers"
I don't want to get in trouble. Already been in enough hot water this year on here.
There is nothing like a game of pitch and catch. 40,000 fans in purple and black can't be wrong. What's it amount to? Our Colorado Rockies.
How do you get your kids to behave? Threaten not to take them to a Rockies game. They straighten up REAL QUICK.
It's a bit of a meme around here now
I’m pretty sure no harm would come to you…
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
Whatever the manager does is wrong, unless it works. Then he's a button pusher.
In line for seats at the Grand Junction Rockies 2012 home opener
"I made baseball as much fun as doing your taxes" - Bill James (Simpsons version)
"Everyone study two out situations, count management, and I'll be back with some gluten free crackers"
I've already received 3 warnings this year. I can't take the chance. Oh why not.
They can shove the rules up their ass. Ah. I feel better.
There is nothing like a game of pitch and catch. 40,000 fans in purple and black can't be wrong. What's it amount to? Our Colorado Rockies.
How do you get your kids to behave? Threaten not to take them to a Rockies game. They straighten up REAL QUICK.
Welcome to my Friday nights
Some days, I feel like I’ve accidentally entered the Church of Tulowitzki on Baseball Easter.
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There is nothing like a game of pitch and catch. 40,000 fans in purple and black can't be wrong. What's it amount to? Our Colorado Rockies.
How do you get your kids to behave? Threaten not to take them to a Rockies game. They straighten up REAL QUICK.
Game thread up
What makes a die-hard fan? Dying. Hard. That's "deadication".
by prettyinpurple on Jun 8, 2011 3:37 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
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