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Punchless Rockies Run Sunday Losing Streak to 12 with 2-0 Loss to Nationals

WASHINGTON, DC - JULY 10: Starting pitcher Jhoulys Chacin #45 of the Colorado Rockies delivers to a Washington Nationals batter during the third inning at Nationals Park on July 10, 2011 in Washington, DC.  (Photo by Rob Carr/Getty Images)

This is getting a little ridiculous, don't you think? Twelve Sundays in a row, the Rockies have lost. I can't help but feel somewhat responsible for this. I'll tell you what, I'll do my best to attend the next Sunday game, because they haven't lost when I've been at Coors Field.

The Rockies only mustered six hits and got nobody past second base in a shutout loss to the Nationals this afternoon. I guess that's what happens when the fourth best hitter in your lineup is Mark Ellis. In doing so, they wasted a great outing by Jhoulys Chacin, who allowed one run on four hits in seven innings, striking out four. Unfortunately, the Rockies scored zero runs so Chacin took the hard luck loss (8-7) despite lowering his ERA at the break to 3.16.

Offensively, the Rockies were led by multi-hit efforts by Todd Helton and Ian Stewart (?!?), but they only mustered one serious scoring chance in the game. That would be the eighth inning, in which with men on 1st and 2nd and one out Jason Giambi whiffed and Mark Ellis flew out.

The loss drops Colorado to 43-48 going into the All-Star Break, after which they'll have an eight game home stand against the Brewers and Braves.

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I'm not big on second-guessing Tracy after the fact

But this game had all the feel of a “whoever-scores-first-wins” affair. And yet in the 6th, when Chacin throws out a leadoff single, he lets Spilly hack his way into a DP rather than bunt the go-ahead run into scoring position for Ellis and then Helton.

I know the offense has been short-handed. But at least recognize that it’s short-handed and give yourself a shot at striking first.

by Northsider1964 on Jul 10, 2011 3:07 PM MDT reply actions  

I felt the same way

and Spilborghs can bunt fairly well. Some times to jump start an offense you have to manufacture a run.

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by jrockies on Jul 10, 2011 3:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't disagree with the move

But dammit, I’m getting tired of the Spilly DP that kills a rally.

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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 10, 2011 6:24 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

fixed

I’m getting tired of the Spilly DP that kills a rally

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by jrockies on Jul 10, 2011 6:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm getting tired of Spilly

which is so sad b/c I used to love him.

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by Michelle Hoag on Jul 10, 2011 8:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

And yet the "bunt with a man on and no outs" strategy is often derided

so there’s that. In fact, I’m surprised the complaint isn’t that JT didn’t pinch hit for Chacin in the 6th.

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by Mondogarage on Jul 10, 2011 4:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

The way he was pitching

80> pitches going into the 7th nobody would take him out. I was surprised when Zimmerman was removed after pitching as well as he had with only 88 pitches, and that was in the middle of an inning.

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by jrockies on Jul 10, 2011 4:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

as well it should be

Tracy loves this strategy and I would love to know the statistics about how often he does this and how often the man on second with one out scores.

Doing it with an 8 hitter is one thing but it drives me nuts when he does this with a two hole hitter – this is the guy who is supposed to have the best bat control on you cant come up more creative ways to get the offense going? There are these things called hit and runs. OR you could have guy on first (Cargo, Blackmon in particular) steal second – then bunt to third. But even that is awful – you are basically resigning yourself to a run one inning which may be fine (like today) but in general is a terrible approach.

by kapstone on Jul 10, 2011 4:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

Jim Tracy ordered 64 sac bunts in the 2010 season, which ranked him near the bottom amongst NL managers. I think we’re collectively a little scarred from the absurd number of sac bunts called by his predecessor, which consistently ranked at the top of the league.

Like any other strategy, there’s a time and a place. I don’t love it, either.

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by Franchise26 on Jul 10, 2011 5:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

Does this take into account

all of the failed sac bunt attempts, that the batter then had to swing at the third strike? I also think a lot of those were pitchers and not position players.

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by jrockies on Jul 10, 2011 5:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don’t know. That number’s from the Bill James Handbook. I’m pretty sure it’s total Sac Bunts attempted for all players.

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by Franchise26 on Jul 10, 2011 5:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks

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by jrockies on Jul 10, 2011 5:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

And I'm NOT generally a fan

of bunting a leadoff single to second. But when hits are hard to come by and you have a .215 BA/.300 OBP hitter at the plate, it makes all the sense in the world. The fact that Spilly happened to be in the #1 hole today made it an even better idea, because it almost guaranteed that you would get Helton to the plate with an RBI opportunity.

Don’t ever confuse an bad 8-hole hitter with a #1 hitter, just because he happens to be forced into the leadoff spot for a couple of games. That was Tracy’s mistake.

by Northsider1964 on Jul 10, 2011 5:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

No, Tracy's mistake was injuring Cargo's wrist and breaking Charlie Blackmon's foot

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by Mondogarage on Jul 10, 2011 7:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

Don't forget giving Ublado that cuticle problem

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by jrockies on Jul 10, 2011 7:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

I haven't, but I was focusing on the cleanup spot

It’s also Tracy’s fault that EY2 isn’t very good at this based ball thing.

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by Mondogarage on Jul 10, 2011 7:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

it is tracy's fault when ey plays

the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox

maybe firing tracy isn't the answer, but something's just not clicking out there

by papality on Jul 10, 2011 7:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

I probably criticize Tracy less than 95 percent

of the people here. But when he lets a groundout machine swing away in a 0-0 game instead of moving the go-ahead run into scoring position, I think it deserves a mention.

You play games with the team you have, not the team you would like to have. Just because you would not normally ask a top-of-the-order hitter (and certainly not Gonzalez) to bunt in that situation doesn’t mean you play it that way with a .215 hitter.

by Northsider1964 on Jul 10, 2011 8:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

I would be tempted

to ask Gonzalez to bunt because it would catch the other team completely off guard and gives me the possibility of having two men on with no outs because he’s fast enough. I agree with you otherwise.

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by jrockies on Jul 10, 2011 8:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

I was really just addressing the fact that Tracy didn't have a hell of a lot of options for the #1 hole today

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by Mondogarage on Jul 10, 2011 8:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

we really need dex to put it all together

so that CarGo can move back to #3

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by black_knight101 on Jul 10, 2011 8:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

I want him hitting 5 if/when Dexter

takes the lead off spot again. And Fowler has to take it back, it won’t be handed to him.

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by jrockies on Jul 10, 2011 8:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

why 5 vs 3?

I think CarGo is gonna have a better 2nd half than Helton, but maybe that’s just me

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by black_knight101 on Jul 10, 2011 8:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

I tend to agree as well

but Helton has a better chance of getting on base via a walk in front of Tulowitzki than Gonzalez does and I think Helton will continue to bat at around the .320 mark for the season. This would allow both Tulowitzki and Gonzalez the opportunity to drive him in, although it could work the other way if Carlos is on base allowing Troy and Todd to bring him home.

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by jrockies on Jul 10, 2011 8:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

I can see the OBP argument, and if CarGo's not getting on base that'd be a perfect lineup

but CarGo’s always been a 2nd half guy, and he matched Helton’s OBP in June anyway.

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by black_knight101 on Jul 10, 2011 8:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

Like I said

either could work, it would be my preference to keep Helton in the 3 for now.

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by jrockies on Jul 10, 2011 9:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

well he's definitely gonna stick there until we get somebody to hit leadoff

so we’ll probably get a chance to see the how they start the second half before Tracy has to make a decision on that

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by black_knight101 on Jul 10, 2011 9:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

I would quite like this solution

with Ellis at #2.

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by Mondogarage on Jul 10, 2011 8:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

(Danggit), Aberle!

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#FireAberle

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by Muzia on Jul 10, 2011 4:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

It's Jeff Aberle's fault

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by Junction Rox on Jul 10, 2011 4:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

It *is* Jeff Aberle's fault

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by Mondogarage on Jul 10, 2011 4:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

ABERLE!!!!

/shaking fist

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by SDcat09 on Jul 10, 2011 5:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

But both of these are better

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by SDcat09 on Jul 10, 2011 7:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

I was actually thinking more like

ABERLE!!!!

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by SDcat09 on Jul 10, 2011 7:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

Haha that's funny

thanks for the link.

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by SDcat09 on Jul 10, 2011 8:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

Pagnozzi needs to called out on the Matt

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by idj2 on Jul 10, 2011 3:47 PM MDT reply actions  

Three days rest can't hurt.

But it gets harder and harder to remain optimistic about our chances to turn this around. We needed this win badly, to be shut out by the Nats at home is just plain wrong.

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by azdenfan on Jul 10, 2011 4:31 PM MDT reply actions  

"at all"

Is what I meant to type. This was a road loss.

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by azdenfan on Jul 10, 2011 4:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

Of course, taking 2 of three from a +.500 team on the road just isn't good enough.

The real problem was going 0-4 against the Braves.

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by Mondogarage on Jul 10, 2011 4:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

agreed

But we were so close to a sweep, and Chacin pitched a gem, and we couldn’t score a single run…..

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by azdenfan on Jul 10, 2011 5:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

and Stewart had a good day.....

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by azdenfan on Jul 10, 2011 5:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yea he has.

I say keep starting him at 3B. Defensively, it’s already a huge upgrade.

With Wiggy playing ‘meh’ lately, give Ian the job and let him run with it.

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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 10, 2011 6:18 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Jordan Zimmerman is a *really* good young pitcher

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by Mondogarage on Jul 10, 2011 7:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

At some point you have to beat a few of these good pitchers though

I’m not saying all of them, but my goodness, the Rockies seem to lose every single game they play against a good pitcher because this team is one of the worst I’ve ever seen at grinding out runs in close ballgames. The Rockies now have a losing record this season when the pitching only gives up two runs. That’s a red flag.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 10, 2011 9:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

Of course we do, that's not what I'm getting at

And we’ve beaten Matt Cain and I think Timmeh this year…we’ve beaten good pitchers. But my point is that what makes pitchers really good is that they can whip out really good games, like Zimmerman did today. I also suspect that most of those “give up two runs but lose” games were in May, because the offense has been better (for the most part) since then.

But some days, a good pitcher will pwn the opposition, as Chacin did today.

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by Mondogarage on Jul 10, 2011 9:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't think the offense has been that much better since then

The Rockies have failed to score more than four runs in 16 straight games when they are playing someone other than the Kansas City Royals.

As much as we were dominated today, is it too much to ask that we grind out one run agaisnt a guy like Zimmerman when Chacin is pitching as well as he was?

Also, we still had a great opportunity to score in the 8th where we could have tied the game or better yet have taken the lead – Not surprisingly, we didn’t take advantage of it. That’s something a good team would have done.

I'm pretty disgusted right now!

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 10, 2011 9:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

yeah, that jordan zimmerman guy, what a scrub

i mean it’s one thing to be rocked by jair “matt cain” jurrjens, but by a guy with periphs to back up the performances? puh-leeze…

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by papality on Jul 10, 2011 6:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

My family was at that game

what a shot

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by jrockies on Jul 10, 2011 4:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

Holy Toledo

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by SDcat09 on Jul 10, 2011 5:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

Go Mets.. That's all I've got

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by SDcat09 on Jul 10, 2011 5:32 PM MDT reply actions  

alright

47-24 2nd half of the season here we come

LETS GO RED WINGS!

2011 will be the year....better be....

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by TuLoRocks2008 on Jul 10, 2011 5:34 PM MDT reply actions  

Well, I'm watching the Futures Game

And it got me curious, so I looked up how many Rockies had played in it. Turns out 13 men that donned a Rockies uniform this year played in the Futures Game. Some interesting names on the list (and not on the list), actually.

Alfredo Amazega
Jhoulys Chacin
Aaron Cook
Jorge de la Rosa
Dexter Fowler
Carlos Gonzalez
Chris Iannetta
Matt Lindstrom
Jose Lopez
Franklin Morales
Ian Stewart
Troy Tulowitzki
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by free7694 on Jul 10, 2011 5:38 PM MDT reply actions  

Oh well.

Can’t complain about winning a road series. The sweep hurts though.

I still have high hopes.

Go Mets.

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Arenado RBI double!

Opposite field too.

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by Cargo's Ball Sack5 on Jul 10, 2011 6:30 PM MDT reply actions  

That swing looked Holliday-ish.

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by Franchise26 on Jul 10, 2011 6:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

yay

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Bryce Harper is still a pimply faced kid.

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 10, 2011 6:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

has he had to make any plays on D yet?

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by black_knight101 on Jul 10, 2011 6:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

following up on this

quite the interesting set of remarks on Arenado’s D from the Nuts manager, Jerry Weinstein

“He makes plays you’ve never seen before,” Weinstein said. "There’s no one way to do things. There are defensive fundamentals, which involve catching the ball and throwing accurately, and he does those things as good as anybody I’ve ever seen at this level.

“I’ve been coaching baseball for a long time and he’s the best I’ve ever seen at third base. He’s the best defensive player in the Cal League and it’s not even close.”

Pretty ringing endorsement, and definitely consistent with the improvement we’ve heard about, but is he really the best defensive player in the Cal League?

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by black_knight101 on Jul 10, 2011 7:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

i wish there would be some consistency to reports about his defense

like i tend to believe the positive ones more, but consensus would be preferable

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by papality on Jul 10, 2011 7:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

well if he's the best defensive player in the Cal League he's our #1 prospect

if he’s not going to stick at 3B, he drops a lot. so confusing.

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by black_knight101 on Jul 10, 2011 8:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

He’ll stick at 3B, but there’s no way he’s even the best defensive player on the same side of the Modesto infield. Rutledge is a glove wizard.

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by Muzia on Jul 11, 2011 8:13 AM MDT up reply actions  

Watch out for the penalty kick

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by Junction Rox on Jul 10, 2011 9:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hey...she likes chopped nuts on her sundaes.

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by Paleface Destro on Jul 10, 2011 9:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

and how do you think the got those nuts from whole to chopped?

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by Mondogarage on Jul 10, 2011 9:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

I didn't say it was pleasant

Sausage-making and all that

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by Paleface Destro on Jul 10, 2011 9:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks for nothing Mets

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by SDcat09 on Jul 10, 2011 8:25 PM MDT reply actions  

Anyone around?

If so, help settle an argument: Derek Jeter- good defensively or bad defensively?

by free7694 on Jul 10, 2011 8:51 PM MDT reply actions  

Now or in the Past?

In the past he was decent. His arm was good and his range was a little above average. Now his range is a little better than Todd Helton (slight exaggeration) and his arm is no better than average.

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by jrockies on Jul 10, 2011 8:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'd say neither

He’s atrocious in the field – and I mean one of the worst defensive shortstops of all time. His career numbers by the three main defensive metrics……

Ultimate Zone Rating = -114.4 runs
Total Zone = -131 runs
Defensive Runs Saved = -122 runs

Often times these three metrics differ on players but if there’s ONE THING they all emphatically agree on, it’s that Derek Jeter is nothing less than a horrible defensive shortstop. He doesn’t make many errors so the naked eye that doesn’t know what to look for may not think he’s all that bad, but when it comes to range, you can probably count on one hand the number of players who have spent the majority of their careers at that position and have been worse than Jeter.

I'm pretty disgusted right now!

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 10, 2011 9:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

yeah and those numbers agree with the scouts

That he doesn’t have any range, but he doesn’t make any boneheaded plays. Here’s my question to the scouts…what SS is making boneheaded plays on defense all the time, other than maybe a really young guy like Castro? I think they’re just trying make an excuse for him as acceptable defensive SS and gold glover when he’s not.

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by black_knight101 on Jul 10, 2011 9:33 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yuniesky Betancourt?

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by Paleface Destro on Jul 10, 2011 9:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hanley Ramirez?

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by Junction Rox on Jul 10, 2011 9:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

Also a good choice

Of course, is that more boneheaded or just lazy?

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by Paleface Destro on Jul 10, 2011 9:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

Exactly

Even if you have a guy who makes 30 more errors in a season than Jeter (which is an enormous number), he’s still not a better defensive shortstop than that guy if he fails to get to 40 or 50 more balls that go for base hits over the course of the season because Jeter has absolutely NO RANGE at the position.

I'm pretty disgusted right now!

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 10, 2011 9:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

ian desmond

the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox

if it's not tracy's fault, it's not not tracy's fault, either

by papality on Jul 10, 2011 10:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

Haha Wilso on his way to blowing a save 4--2 Oh please make it be true

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by SDcat09 on Jul 10, 2011 8:58 PM MDT reply actions  

so much for that

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by black_knight101 on Jul 10, 2011 9:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

Or not...blech

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by SDcat09 on Jul 10, 2011 9:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

fantasy points for me

/Stupid Wilson

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by jrockies on Jul 10, 2011 9:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

i honestly thought it was going to happen

with Wilson’s questionable pitching recently

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by black_knight101 on Jul 10, 2011 9:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

Grr Gints...

The luckiest bunch of Lucky McLuckertons that ever lucked in a lucky luck sauce.

Luck them.

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by Paleface Destro on Jul 10, 2011 9:27 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Im gonna ruck this

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by SDcat09 on Jul 10, 2011 9:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

Didn't know you were a rugger...

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by Paleface Destro on Jul 10, 2011 9:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

In games at home this season,

The Giants have scored 128 runs and given up 138, yet their record at home now stands at 28-16; a full 12 games over .500

I'm pretty disgusted right now!

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 10, 2011 9:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

But they're just better than the Rockies, dont'cha know

And yo, runs hard to come by in the bay yo.

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by Mondogarage on Jul 10, 2011 9:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well no one can convince me that the Rockies

are better than any team in the west right now. Sorry

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by SDcat09 on Jul 10, 2011 9:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

Was that your opinion last night?

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by Mondogarage on Jul 10, 2011 9:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think the Rockies are far from the worst team,

And talent wise I still think they are the strongest – But at the end of the day, it’s less about being the best team than it is about being the team that plays the best. Now that I’ve watched this group of Rockies fail to play well as a team for the better part of 91 games, I’m rapidly losing faith that they will suddenly start doing it after the ASB.

I'm pretty disgusted right now!

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 10, 2011 10:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

Paper only goes so far

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by jrockies on Jul 10, 2011 10:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

It's not that they do them wrong

it’s that they don’t do them at all

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by jrockies on Jul 10, 2011 10:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

I have the same opinion.

Just because we won two games against the Nationals doesn’t mean we have suddenly become world beaters.

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by SDcat09 on Jul 10, 2011 10:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

Or NL West beaters either

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by SDcat09 on Jul 10, 2011 10:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

and in one of those games we burned their bullpen, and the other one was jason marquis

we hit their best pitcher and immediately derailed

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by papality on Jul 10, 2011 10:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

And it's not like we did much in those first two games offensively either

For the series, we scored five runs (an average of 1.67 runs a game) against a team who has solid, but certainly not amazing pitching (the Cubs scored more runs in the 6th inning of Thurday’s game against the Nats than the Rockies did in this entire series).

The only reason we won this series is that Jason Hammel and Ubaldo Jimenez gave us two brilliant starts. Sure winning two of three is nice, but I would put more stock into it if we got it with Nicasio or Cook pitching one, or better yet two of those games. Let’s face it, this series win is more about what part of the rotation was pitching than it was about the Rockies, as a team, stepping up and doing anything good.

I'm pretty disgusted right now!

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 10, 2011 11:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think the whole NL West is...not that great this year.

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by Paleface Destro on Jul 10, 2011 9:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

IAWTC

But there is also no NL West team that is particuarly better than the rest.

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by Mondogarage on Jul 10, 2011 9:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

This

They all just have different flaws.

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by Paleface Destro on Jul 10, 2011 10:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

I would think

the one that won the World Series last year might just be the best team in the division.

The Giants know how to win ugly – I know nobody wants to come to grips with that reality but that is the way it is. At this point to call them lucky is quite laughable.

by RoxandRoll on Jul 10, 2011 11:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

No

Last year is last year.

This year…well, the Padres did the same in 2010. They were exposed as frauds in September. The Gints may win the West again, but the rest of the NL (especially PHL) is ready time around, and even then,their pitching has been shown to be human a bit more in 2011.

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by Paleface Destro on Jul 11, 2011 12:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

*ready THIS time around

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by Paleface Destro on Jul 11, 2011 12:35 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yeup

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by SDcat09 on Jul 10, 2011 10:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

I hate the Giants

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by SDcat09 on Jul 10, 2011 9:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

I hate the Giants

But there is no doubt that they are the best NL West team thus far this year… whatever that title is worth. Winning ugly is still winning.

by CarRo2010 on Jul 11, 2011 12:35 AM MDT up reply actions  

Exactly

And I’ll give the Dbacks credit for at least making a race of it.

by Northsider1964 on Jul 11, 2011 5:23 AM MDT up reply actions  

This was cool. Bernie Williams did the National Anthem at the Futures Game.

There’s also a video there of Arenado’s double, for anyone who missed it.

by holly96 on Jul 10, 2011 9:59 PM MDT reply actions  

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