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Tuesday Rockpile: Midseason Report Cards - Pitchers

This guy is the only reliever I gave an A to, even though the bullpen as a whole has been solid most of the season.

Andrew Martin handed out grades for the Rockies' hitters thus far in 2011 in yesterday's rockpile.  Today, I'll finish what he started by handing out grades to the pitching staff.  As a reminder, grades are handed out based on individual pre-season expectations of each player, not raw performance.  Raw performance grades can be found here.  So meeting expectations gets a "C." Those who have done better than expected are higher than a C and vice versa. Got it?  Good.

 

Rotation

Ubaldo Jimenez  -  Expected to carry the load of deep rotation as an ace and once again threaten 20 wins, The Chief fell apart spectacularly, losing velocity, control, his home run prevention ability, durability and generally all confidence.  It was difficult to watch as a Rockies fan, and I imagine demoralizing for the players not having a guy trusted to bring home a W - indeed, Colorado lost 8 of his first 9 starts.  With a few hiccups, he has gotten a bit back on track, with just 15 ER in 53.1 IP (2.53 ERA) in eight starts since the beginning of June.  He had 50 K's and just 11 BB's in that span.  He is on pace for a decent 4-4.5 fWAR season, but that is from an ace, and his March-May really put the Rockies behind the 8-ball.  Grade:  D+

Jorge de la Rosa - The lefty got a nice contract in the off-season and rewarded the Rockies with a career year in practically every possible way.  Colorado lost four of his ten starts, but he allowed 3 ER or less in all four of those losses.  His 3.51 ERA was 71 points lower than his career best, set last year, and his FIP was even lower.  Jorge had Tommy John surgery last month, and his injury has absolutely killed the rotation.  Grade:  A

Jhoulys Chacin - I wrote in the offseason that it would be very difficult to know what to expect out of Chacin this year.  With de la Rosa injured and Jimenez' fall from grace, the youngest man on the roster pitched like an ace for most of the first half, with a reasonable argument for an All-Star spot.  A couple very poor outings June 27 and July 5 knocked him off the path a bit, but he's still pitched like a very solid #2 pitcher.  Not bad for a 23 year old with just 22 career starts coming in.  Grade:  A 

Jason HammelAfter two ridiculously similar seasons, we thought we knew what we were getting from Mr. Hammel.  Instead, he has been a completely different guy, and a wildly inconsistent one at that..  He opened the season with a 3.23 ERA in April, as the Rockies won 4 of his 5 starts.  Colorado then lost his next 8 starts, 10 of his last 13.  He has seen his K rate plummet, his BB rate skyrocket and his home run rate increase, leading to the 16th worst FIP in MLB.  I'm a Jason Hammel guy, but even with tempered expectations for a 4th starter, he has disappointed.  Grade:  D

Aaron Cook - Roughly 95% of Rockies fans will tell you today they knew Aaron Cook had no business being in the rotation this season.  Every one of them is wrong.  Cook's two starts last September are easily ignored after a brutal 2011 so far, but the franchise leader in wins won his last two starts after returning from the DL.  When Joey Votto sent him to the DL again after a liner off his leg, Cook was stymieing a very good Reds line-up at Coors Field.  With expectations still low for a declining, oft-injured vet, Cook has still had a very poor season.  He missed two months due to injury, then won his season debut, allowing three runs and walking four at Petco Park.  The Rockies would lose his next five starts, with Cook getting pummeled in three of them.  Grade:  D

Esmil Rogers - Taking Cook's place initially in the rotation was Mr. Rogers, who teased Rockies fans with a truly dominant outing in his first start.  Rogers actually won his three road starts before landing on the DL, but he had his offense to thank for two of them.  At Coors Field?  How about 12 ER in 4 innings?  10 hits, 4 walks, and just 3 K's?  It's tough to have expectations for a guy who had 9 career starts and an ERA near 6.00 coming into the season, but after his initial start, Rogers was a disaster.  While we had hopes for better, there wasn't a lot to go on to expect a whole lot better.  Grade:  C-

Star-divide

Bullpen

Huston Street - Most closer have an extreme personality - Huston Street does not, but he makes up for it with extreme results. Did you realize Street is 5th among all MLB relievers in strikeouts per walk (2nd among closers)? That is exactly what you want from a closer. He has converted a save in 26 of 28 chances. Yet his home run rate is among the worst in MLB. So what do we make of him? Is he the 2009 reliever, one of the best in the game? The 2010 closer, who was injured half the time and shaky otherwise? Or the 2011 version, who has allowed baserunners and home runs, but has done his job (saved games) at an elite rate? I'll say two things: after allowing 5 HR in 8 appearances in mid-May, he has avoided the longball for 19 straight appearances, and given the "who knows?" expectations, I'm incredibly satisfied with Street's performance. Grade - B.

Rafael Betancourt - He was the most underrated setup man in the league before the season, but the human rain delay has slowed this year. He's already walked 7 men (after 8 all last year), and he has been very flat in select performances. Perhaps from fatigue, his fastball lacks velocity at times, and he has been hittable, with the home run rate staying high. He still K/BB's quite well, but he has lost his setup role at times. Most of the time, he's that dominant setup man. Sometimes, he's a sitting duck. Grade - C-.

Matt Lindstrom - The former closer in Houston and Miami lost his closer role with both clubs, thanks to relying too heavily on his fastball and walking too many people. After acquiring him for two fringe prospects (at best), expectations were low. The right-hander has used his change-up and slider more, tossing that vaunted fastball less than every before, and he is having a career year as a result. His BB rate and FIP are the best of his career, making him the best pleasant surprise on the Rockies' pitching staff. Grade - A.

Matt Reynolds - What exactly did we expect from the rookie lefty? He had a fantastic minor league career and 2010 cameo, but he was hit hard in Spring Training, enough to wonder if he could stick. He has had a few hiccups of late, but by and large, he has been one of the best left-handed relievers in MLB. No complaints here. Grade - B+.

Matt Belisle - The right-hander came from nowhere to have a career year last season, finishing as one of the more valuable relievers in MLB. He was tabbed universally as a candidate for regression, due to fatigue from a lot of work in 2010, simple regression, and better scouting reports on the new Belisle. He has indeed regressed pretty much across the board, but not egregiously so. He still ranks among the MLB leaders in K/BB among relievers (16th), so he's done just fine. Grade - C.

Franklin Morales - F-Mo was pretty much a lame duck on the roster from the start unless he made a magical transformation. He was expected to likely be gone by the All-Star Break, and he was, for a player to be named later or cash. He was improved in 14 appearances, but overall, pretty "meh." He has a 3.00 ERA and 2.25 FIP in seven appearances with Boston. Grade - C.

Felipe Paulino - There wasn't very lofty expectations for the flamethrower, and he didn't have many chances (18) to prove anything one way or another. But Paulino crashed and burned as enormously as any Rockies pitcher in recent memory, giving up the winning run in the opponent's last at-bat in four of his last seven appearances, including three straight. That stretch in early May was at the beginning of the Rockies freefall, and he got the axe for it. Grade - F.


Depth

Greg Reynolds - After his terrible 2008, repeated injury problems and largely mediocre spring, the former 2nd overall pick didn't give fans much to be optimistic about. He won his last start, when he allowed 5 ER, and allowed 2 ER in each of his other starts. He hasn't been special or even good, but he has given the Rockies as much as, if not more, than they could have reasonably expected. Grade - B.

Juan Nicasio - He wasn't even supposed to be in the majors until September (maybe), but injuries and a breakout in AA brought him to the majors. He's been dominant more than he's been terrible, and he has held his own, performing at the level of a legitimate MLB fifth starter. He still needs work, but he's been quite the surprise, even with very mediocre big league stats. Grade - A.

Clayton Mortensen - Acquired this offseason specifically to be rotational depth and/or a long reliever, he has filled in fairly well. Grade - C.

Alan Johnson - The minor league vet got one start, and it went pretty much as expected. He was shelled, but he kept the game close, and the Rockies won. Grade - C.

Rex Brothers - The rookie has had significant walk issues, but he's struck out 16 men in his first 12 big league innings and has a 3.00 ERA. Not exceptional overall, but still quite good. Grade - B.

Eric Stults - I wanted Stults nowhere near a Rockies uniform. He has allowed two solo home runs in three appearances, but he hasn't walked anyone yet. Decent enough I suppose. Grade - C+.

Matt Daley - He was with the club for less than two weeks, but he did a fine job of quieting his "Daley for Closer" supporters. His SSS ERA of 10.50 was a good three runs higher than any other Rockies' reliever. Even Paulino. Grade - F.

Bruce Billings - The right-hander got hit around a bit in his MLB debut, his only appearance with the Rockies. Five hits and a wild pitch in two innings (with no K's) wasn't great, but the expectations were low at least. He has a 7.36 ERA and 5.17 FIP in Oakland's AAA Sacramento after being traded for Mark Ellis. Grade - C-.

Edgmer Escalona - He has pitched in only one game, throwing a scoreless inning. Grade - C+.

 

Overall grade: D. The staff ranks 10th in fWAR, with the rotation coming in at 19th and bullpen at 8th. I expected the pitching staff to carry this team - it has, but not as well as hoped. I would put 95% of that on the rotation, as the big five in the pen have been pretty much as good as we could have reasonably hoped. Jimenez' early woes really hurt the team, and the string of fifth starters replacing Jorge de la Rosa after his injury have been shaky. Jason Hammel's control has disappeared, and Aaron Cook hasn't shown the flashes of revival he has last season. The staff overall has been good, but it still has not performed as well as expected, or as well as it has needed to.

 

 

Links

Colorado Rockies shortstop Troy Tulowitzki an All-Star Game starter - The Denver Post.  Troy Renck features the Tulo on the morning of his first start in the All-Star Game for the National League, the Rockies' first by a hitter since Matt Holliday.  Of course, there is a Cal Ripken Jr. reference.

Offensive Players of the Week | MiLB.com News | The Official Site of Minor League Baseball  The Rockies placed two prospects on the offensive players of the week in the minor leagues - Low-A Asheville's OF Corey Dickerson (#15 PuRP) and Rookie Casper's C Will Swanner (#17 PuRP).  Swanner gives the Casper Ghosts back-to-back honors, after SS Rosell Herrera was honored last week.

 

K% Change | FanGraphs Baseball   VERY IMPORTANT for those of you that look up statistics.  Fangraphs' K% has been changed from K/AB to K/PA.  The K% for all players will drop around 2%, but for guys like Iannetta, Fowler or Adam Dunn, it might drop significantly.

The Best (And Worst) Hitters At Making Pitchers Work - Beyond the Box Score  Speaking of which, the Rockies placed a guy in a tie for third, behind Jose Bautista and Bobby Abreu, in "Pitcher Fatigue Factor," a measure of pitches seen per out made.  Note, that's not per plate appearance, as working a six pitch walk is better than a seven pitch strikeout in terms of making the pitcher throw more pitches.  Also....you were absolutely right in who you though the Rockie was...unless you thought it was Todd Helton.

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A fan nearly fell out of the stands at the Derby last night

Really. This was more than ridiculous before, but now….http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/baseball/mlb/07/11/home.run.derby.fan.ap/index.html

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 12, 2011 6:34 AM MDT via mobile reply actions  

But did you see the picture from just before?

Craig Calcaterra had it in one of his posts this morning. This one was 100% on that fan being an idiot.

by holly96 on Jul 12, 2011 12:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

Exactly, this ain't the ballpark's, or MLB's responsibility.

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by Mondogarage on Jul 12, 2011 12:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

JFK's Quote of the Day:

“The last thing you want to do is go down in the history of All-Star game competition as the only injury (his nose was broken by Roberto Hernandez) sustained during the team picture.” ~Cal Ripken Jr.

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by jrockies on Jul 12, 2011 6:42 AM MDT reply actions   1 recs

I'll take

two players in the top 15 on that pitcher’s work harder to get you out. Wish there were more but with 30 teams two is quite impressive. Also funny is the player who makes them work the least.

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by jrockies on Jul 12, 2011 6:45 AM MDT reply actions  

I will admit that I am one that was rooting against Iannetta

And he has won me over (well before seeing that).

A Ty WIggington Home Run is a Rockies Death Sentence.

by Thnikkaman on Jul 12, 2011 7:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

I think that the pitching staff should be given at the least a C+ -- they probably deserve a B-

They carried this team all the way through May — the offense just couldn’t keep up. According to B-Ref, the pitching has been worth roughly 3x the hitting so far (12.8 to 4.4 rWAR). Just some food for thought.

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by Jeff Aberle on Jul 12, 2011 7:46 AM MDT reply actions  

according to the scale I used, I don't think they can be

The staff is certainly the strength of the team, but if a “C” is “meets expectations,” they have been overall below what I, and most, have expected. So they must be below a C. On actual merit, sure, a C+ or B- fits

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 12, 2011 7:53 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

On a bell curve

As and Fs should be reserved for the top/bottom 4% respectively. (2nd deviation for you stats people)

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by Thnikkaman on Jul 12, 2011 7:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

yep

I more or less use that model, but I think strictly adhering to it in this application limits the illustration, so I’m a bit for liberal on either side just to provide some extra variance.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 12, 2011 8:02 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Sorry, but I think your expectations were unreasonably high then. They're better than they were last year as a unit.

Heck, the pitching staff’s 12.8 rWAR is almost as much as the 18 rWAR they produced in 2010. If you expected the rotation to be 40-50% better than last year’s, I think your expectations for the pitching staff were unreasonable.

A B- grade for the pitching staff for me (yes, compared to expectations), at the lowest. I would grade the hitting at a D-

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by Jeff Aberle on Jul 12, 2011 7:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

I would have to put them a full letter grade higher than the offense

Because, as you noted, they gave the team a lot of good opportunities to avoid the dismal May swoon and the offense just couldn’t get out of its own way. The pitching staff also suffered the one devastating injury of the season, while the lineup was nearly injury-free until last week.

No big arguments with the individual grades, though I would give Morty a little more credit for keeping some other relievers’ arms from falling off. And while I never, ever wanted to see Paulino in the bullpen, I couldn’t give him an F and let Morales off with a C. I feel the only reason Paulino drew the short straw as “Mr. Walkoff” was because the coaching staff had even less confidence in Morales to throw strikes than they had in Paulino.

Also would give Belisle a nudge upward. Despite his awful outing against the Royals, he’s been better than the other guys who received Cs.

by Northsider1964 on Jul 12, 2011 8:07 AM MDT up reply actions  

sigh

“He’s been better than the other guys who received Cs.”

That’s really not relevant with this grading scale. If I wanted to know who had been better, I’d just look at the leaderboard. I think it tells much more to compare each guy to what we expected from them. Belisle and Alan Johnson both have given about what I expected, rent though one was terrible and one has been quite valuable. I realize this is an uncommon heading scale, but I think it is far more telling.

This is a very subjetive exercise, so quibbles are understandable. I personally would have given the pitchers and hitters both Ds. Again, not because they are comparably ineffective, but they are comparably underperforming what I personally expected. I had the bar set higher for the pitching staff before the season. Neither the bats nor arms have been disasters, so I stick with Ds for both. Maybe a +/- differential favoring the pitchers.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 12, 2011 8:18 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah I get that it's based on expectations

But relative to expectations, I think Belisle been more than a “minus” better than Raffy and hasn’t been two letter grades worse than Lindstrom.

Expectations are also why I would bump Morty up from a C. Most expected nothing from him this year, and we probably won’t get anything in the second half. But there was definitely a stretch there when we said, “Holy crap, this guy’s saving the pitching staff from a death spiral.”

No big arguments with what you wrote, just offering a few thoughts.

by Northsider1964 on Jul 12, 2011 8:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

no problem

I frankly was terrified of what Lindstrom would bring, so I thought he was the biggest surprise in the pen, therefore worth the A. No problem with feedback. Differences in pluses and minuses are bound to happen.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 12, 2011 8:58 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Lindstrom's expectations

are probably the hardest to measure. They seemed to run everywhere from “his back will give out and we’ll get nothing” to “he’ll unseat Street as closer by mid-May because he throws GAS!”

by Northsider1964 on Jul 12, 2011 9:12 AM MDT up reply actions  

I though Matt Reynolds deserved a higher grade

But perhaps my expectations were lower than yours.

If only Tracey would look at his L/R match ups and realise he isn’t a LOOGY

by Britbronco22 on Jul 12, 2011 3:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

Love Reynolds

But he got a B+. I thought that was spot on.

by Northsider1964 on Jul 12, 2011 5:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'd give Belisle a C+

Just to differentiate him a bit because he has been fairly passable.

Also, Morty deserved a way higher grade. From an expectation of zero, the guy was a great innings eater and didn’t get blown up.

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by Yokel on Jul 12, 2011 9:00 AM MDT up reply actions  

Desperate for baseball?

Esmil Rogers is making a rehab start today for Tulsa. First pitch is at 10am mountain.

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by Muzia on Jul 12, 2011 8:29 AM MDT reply actions  

tulsa have a internet radio broadcast?

I know modesto did, ?I got to hear a Maztek start…

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by El Paso Jeff on Jul 12, 2011 8:35 AM MDT up reply actions  

You should be able to hear it via this link.

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by Muzia on Jul 12, 2011 8:37 AM MDT up reply actions  

Muzia Delivers

top ten in my LOL’s per post

Also top ten in True dat’s per post

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by El Paso Jeff on Jul 12, 2011 8:38 AM MDT up reply actions  

Well, I’m a man…

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by Muzia on Jul 12, 2011 10:06 AM MDT up reply actions  

no, THE.

you have to start procreating to save the species. first stop, Maude Flanders.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Jul 12, 2011 10:10 AM MDT up reply actions  

That's the wrong link.

Here’s the actual broadcast link.

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by Muzia on Jul 12, 2011 10:28 AM MDT up reply actions  

Walk, balk, double.

Not a great start for Rogers…though he wasn’t helped by an error by Hector Gomez

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by Muzia on Jul 12, 2011 10:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

Tim Wheeler just crushed a 2-run homerun.

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by Muzia on Jul 12, 2011 10:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

A RHP though :)

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by Muzia on Jul 12, 2011 11:17 AM MDT up reply actions  

But he exceeded my expectations

He still gets an “A” :-)

I'm pretty disgusted right now!

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 12, 2011 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions  

Get real on Ubaldo...

Proof that people pay too much attention to W/L records is the D+ grade that Andrew just handed out to Ubaldo. That’s absolutely the harshest, most absurd grade I’ve ever seen in my life.

The guy’s FIP and ERC is in the low 3’s! That’s worth a D+? WTF???

Forget the 4-8 record as any gauge of performance. He has 8 road starts and a 2.28 ERA away from Coors, yet has only 3 wins to show for it on the road. Also, HR prevention is a problem? Well, compared to 2010 Ubaldo, perhaps. But his 1 HR allowed in 55 road innings would say something entirely different.

Yes, Ubaldo had a few rough outings. I think even Sandy Koufax did in his career. He has, overall, pitched well enough to have a winning record, but is 4-8 due to abysmal run support and defense behind him. He also has been a victim of bad situational luck, with a far worse slash line with runners on base than with the bases empty.

Simply put, a D+ grade for Ubaldo is a poor and harsh view of his true performance, and in no way is it, or the 4-8 record, indicative of what Ubaldo has done in the 1st half. He’s been fine, even though he had to overcome early nagging injuries and a lousy team behind him. I give him a solid B-. And it would have been better if we didn’t measure him against his ungodly first half of a year-ago.

by GoRoxGo on Jul 12, 2011 8:33 AM MDT reply actions  

oh snap AFish

I feel a walk-off coming on….
No… you… did ….n’t

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by El Paso Jeff on Jul 12, 2011 8:37 AM MDT up reply actions  

And yet, 2010 is the new baseline for his expectations.

Last year, we expected to win every single Ubaldo start. This year, you get nervous beforehand because you have no clue what you are about to see.

That’s why he got the low grade.

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by Muzia on Jul 12, 2011 8:38 AM MDT up reply actions  

you might want to read the first paragraph of the article again

I didn’t even know what his W/L was, honestly. These aren’t performance grades….they are performance RELATIVE TO EXPECTATIONS. If he met reasonable expectations, he’d be at a C, along with Alan Johnson. He has not, so by the definitions I explicitly described, he cannot be higher than a C.

This isn’t grading akin to school grades. I’m trying to illustrate areas where the Rockies are underperforming, and all underperformers are below a C.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 12, 2011 8:39 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

That's still ridiculous, Andrew...

Compared to expectations, Ubaldo has been on target. His FIP and ERC are very, VERY close to what smart sabermetricians projected for him this season. What, were you expecting him to replicate his outlier and unconscious peformance from the first half of last year? Isn’t that an unfair way to measure Ubaldo this season? He did FINE overall, even with his handful of struggles. You CANNOT BE SERIOUS (to use a McEnroe line) to say he missed true realistic expectations of his pitching performance by that much. D+ is an indefensible grade if you knew anything about what was really expected from him this year. Period.

by GoRoxGo on Jul 12, 2011 8:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

I really think we expected better than this

As per my argument above that goes past statistics, I really think team struggles early on can in part be tied to his early season struggles that were very very real…the walks and home runs were off the charts. He was at minimum supposed to be the ace, and he wasn’t, regardless of what his FIP is right now. You can quibble and say he was a C- if you want, but there is no way he has met even tempered expectations based on last season.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 12, 2011 8:52 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Speak for yourself...

regarding what “we expected” from him.

If you or anyone had told me that Ubaldo would have an ERC of 3.37 in the first half, and pitch over 100 innings despite missing a couple starts due to injury, I’d have said he’s right on track. You cherry pick his worst stretch (early….with much of that injury-related) and ignore his dominant final 6 weeks leading up to the All-Star break in your above reply.

Compared to expectations of true analysts of the game that I’ve read , he MET but didn’t exceed performance. On your grading scale, I suppose that is a “C”.

by GoRoxGo on Jul 12, 2011 8:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

He's much BETTER than expected,...

on the road, but worse than expected at home. Overall, his numbers are right in line with what I or any reasonable thinking fan could have expected.

by GoRoxGo on Jul 12, 2011 9:03 AM MDT up reply actions  

I guess our issues are differences in expectations

He is currently on pace to have his worst FIP and fWAR since his first full MLB season. I think it was reasonable to expect better than that, but I am willing to agree to disagree on he initial baseline

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 12, 2011 9:13 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

well you know, I wrote the article based on my expectations, so yeah, I'm speaking for myself

I’m not ignoring his recent strong stretch. It’s recognized. I’m saying the ace I, and I believe most, expected would not have that disastrous stretch, one whose implications extend further than his SABR stats.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 12, 2011 9:03 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Just out of curiosity would Halladay get a C?

because he is doing exactly what he is expected to. And therefore can really only reach a C at his highest?

/amidoinitrite

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by dsmba on Jul 12, 2011 9:05 AM MDT up reply actions  

yep

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 12, 2011 9:07 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Well, then, you need to take a good close look at yourself...

and what types of expectations YOU place on your favorite players and favorite team. Perhaps you need to examine whether you expect TOO much from your Rockies and a star such as Ubaldo.

Fans tend to do that when they aren’t objective. Did you also expect the Rox to win 94 games or something around that? If so, that explains it all.

by GoRoxGo on Jul 12, 2011 9:09 AM MDT up reply actions  

I really feel like you are getting hung up on that letter grade quite a bit.

when really, D+ and C aren’t THAT different. But is there anything in the writeup on Uball that you necessarily disagree with?

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by frightened inmate #2 on Jul 12, 2011 9:13 AM MDT up reply actions  

This is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read.

Do you really think anybody (other than yourself, apparently) isn’t disappointed about how Ubaldo performed the first half of this season? A D+ is exactly where most informed people would put Ubaldo on the grading scale. In fact, he absolutely should have been an F before his recent good stretch.

Come on.

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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Jul 12, 2011 9:14 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

I expected about 87-89

And I expected Ubaldo to be better than 2009 and perhaps a little worse than 2010 overall, which he has not been

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 12, 2011 9:15 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Why wouldn't you have high expectations of your ace pitcher?

It’s not like anyone has expected a no-hitter every time he goes out, but you do expect to have a reasonable chance of winning every time your ace is on the mound, which is more Chacin this year than Ubaldo.

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by Justus on Jul 12, 2011 9:37 AM MDT up reply actions  

I want to rec this.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 12, 2011 10:40 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

I'll do it for you

Well said, Teek.

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by Justus on Jul 12, 2011 10:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

The whole W/L is cherished thing is pretty much a myth, but since you bring up proof, how about some to support the use of FIP. I can tell you from watching Greinke, he’s earned his ERA. The only mention of his W/L record is when people talk about how much run support the guy has gotten.

by Salty on Jul 12, 2011 8:45 AM MDT up reply actions  

This was based on an expectation

An expectation based on a guy who started the All Star Game, should have had 20 wins, and got Cy Young votes last year.

Has he even sniffed that expectation in the 2011 campaign? Really?

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by Yokel on Jul 12, 2011 9:02 AM MDT up reply actions  

As a reminder, grades are handed out based on individual pre-season expectations of each player, not raw performance. Raw performance grades can be found here. So meeting expectations gets a “C.” Those who have done better than expected are higher than a C and vice versa. Got it? Good.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 12, 2011 9:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

WAR likes Ubaldo a lot more than Chacin

just doesn’t seem right

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by dsmba on Jul 12, 2011 9:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

fWAR does but rWAR rates Chacin 1.6 wins higher than Ubaldo

Makes a lot more sense which is why I prefer rWAR over fWAR when it comes to pitchers but the other way around when it comes to hitters

by purplesocks on Jul 12, 2011 10:00 AM MDT up reply actions  

Where do I find fWAR and rWAR?

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by dsmba on Jul 12, 2011 10:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

fWAR is Fangraphs. rWAR is baseball reference

Typically, I trust rWAR more with large samples (at least 200IP but preferably 600+), while I prefer fWAR in small samples.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 12, 2011 10:56 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Thought if might be Fan v. BR

So you are on fWAR side that Ubaldo is .8 WAR better than Chacin; versus rWAR which shows Chacin 1.6 WAR better than Ubaldo this year.

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by dsmba on Jul 12, 2011 11:01 AM MDT up reply actions  

not exactly

I should clarify, with larger samples, we can learn some pitchers can control babip and hr/fb a little better than their peers, so fWAR will unfairly punish those guys. I suspect Chacin is one of those guys being punished by fWAR

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 12, 2011 11:34 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

That's because fWAR uses FIP

to calculate it’s pitching numbers and FIP misses the boat on Chacin. For his career, Chacin’s ERA has been lower than his FIP at every level he’s pitched.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 12, 2011 10:03 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'd probably give De La Rosa

an IN COM PLETE

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by waterboy31321 on Jul 12, 2011 8:36 AM MDT reply actions  

Agreed.

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by Muzia on Jul 12, 2011 8:39 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yep...

Another whiff by Andrew. How can an injured pitcher who only had a partial first half get an A? Incomplete seems right.

by GoRoxGo on Jul 12, 2011 8:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

You can disagree with the writing without calling out the writer.

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by Muzia on Jul 12, 2011 8:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

I think letter grades bring out emotions in people

not sure why but using letter grades for what is different than expected in societal norms will raise some ire in people.

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by dsmba on Jul 12, 2011 8:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

ZOMG YOU GAVE A BAD GRADE TO A PLAYER I REALLY LIKE

IT MEANS YOU ARE WRONG.

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by hotdoglady on Jul 12, 2011 8:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

....but he gave DLR a good grade....

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by frightened inmate #2 on Jul 12, 2011 8:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

whoa…easy with the FLAMING

hahaha

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by waterboy31321 on Jul 12, 2011 8:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

reminds me of that Oscar bait movie Summer School with Mark Harmon.

“That guy who spend two months in the bathroom? He got a 91.”

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by frightened inmate #2 on Jul 12, 2011 9:02 AM MDT up reply actions  

"what's your return policy?"

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by frightened inmate #2 on Jul 12, 2011 9:14 AM MDT up reply actions  

I hate to admit it, but I loved that movie.

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by DAWNMARIE01 on Jul 12, 2011 9:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yes I think you got the emotion behind the post but you could have used some more

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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by dsmba on Jul 12, 2011 8:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

I GUESS I REALLY WHIFFED ON THAT ONE

I BETTER GIVE MYSELF AN F-!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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by hotdoglady on Jul 12, 2011 9:00 AM MDT up reply actions  

I like the dancing one below

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by dsmba on Jul 12, 2011 9:01 AM MDT up reply actions  

But you still exceeded expectations

I give you a B+

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by Junction Rox on Jul 12, 2011 11:00 AM MDT up reply actions  

No Grade Grubbing

is a rule in my class..Hate them grade grubbers…“ehhh meester, I think you made a mistake. you gave me a 92 when I am quite sure that I am more of a 95 or 96 type of student”

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by El Paso Jeff on Jul 12, 2011 9:01 AM MDT up reply actions  

Could you imagine grading them using ATF's "expectations" approach?

“Oh, you’re more of a 95 or 96 type student? Then you performed below expectations. C-.”

Cue angry parents in 3… 2…

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by glaucophane on Jul 12, 2011 9:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

A isn't really the expectation though.

A generally means you exceeded expectations.

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by hotdoglady on Jul 12, 2011 9:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

I sort of had that in one class

Though technically, it was just weighting the later exams/assignments higher.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 12, 2011 9:34 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Have you ever had a course in which the derivative of the grade was factored in?

I could imagine an engineering program doing that. (I considered doing it once, but ended up only using the change from the beginning to end of a semester when a student had really improved.)

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by glaucophane on Jul 12, 2011 10:10 AM MDT up reply actions  

I suppose "incomplete" is fair

I avoided that because 1) the injury wasn’t his fault, 2) I went with letter grades for pitchers with much less in terms of starts/innings and 3) an A actually tells us about the performance, whereas incomplete doesn’t really illustrate anything

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 12, 2011 8:54 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

this could be a way different discussion, i don’t really wanna get into it but…..if injuries aren’t a players fault…whos fault is it?

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by waterboy31321 on Jul 12, 2011 8:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

Unless the player did something stupid

(i.e. tulo breaking a bat in half and slicing his hand open) you can’t really blame them for the injury.

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by hotdoglady on Jul 12, 2011 8:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

no I know…I am being a little difficult…I’m not blaming Jorge one bit…i guess I was just wondering what roles does proper conditioning, stretching, throwing schedules, and rehab play into it?

im done though…i understand I was just wondering i guess

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by waterboy31321 on Jul 12, 2011 9:05 AM MDT up reply actions  

it is a valid question

I think some of it will fall to the trainers – but there are things that happen like in DLR case that are just freak incidents that can happen due to extreme stresses on the body.

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by hotdoglady on Jul 12, 2011 9:08 AM MDT up reply actions  

Also

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by Yokel on Jul 12, 2011 9:08 AM MDT up reply actions  

Based on the injury not being his fault...

and not impacting DLR’s grade, then WHY would it be affecting Ubaldo’s grade? Half of his early struggles were injury-related, or a result of his rehabbing at the MLB level for a month after coming back from his cuticle troubles. Yet, that injury IS Ubaldo’s fault in your mind and results in a D+

Nice consistency there, Andrew.

by GoRoxGo on Jul 12, 2011 9:02 AM MDT up reply actions  

pretty simple pal

De la Rosa pitched well when he was on the mound. Ubaldo hurt the team while pitching early. The injury was certainly part of it, but how much is impossible to tell. If you’re going to strictly stick to stats like your other posts, why would you excuse Ubaldo’s due to injury?

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 12, 2011 9:06 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

I wouldn't...

Just pointing out your utter lack of consistency in not impacting a grade in one case, but impacting it harshly in a second case.

Despite the injury and the impact on Ubaldo’s early performance, his OVERALL numbers were right in line with expecations based on his career record. Sure, they fell short of his near-Cy Young year of 2010, but that’s not what most thinking fans were reasonably expecting of him this year. Without that injury, though, Ubaldo probably gets close to 2010 numbers since he met expectations despite the setback.

by GoRoxGo on Jul 12, 2011 9:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

well, I'm not explaining his early struggles away strictly due to injury

That’s the difference.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 12, 2011 9:18 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Ubaldo has had exactly one bad outing since May 12th...

and he missed 18 days due to the injury in April, coming back on April 19th. So, the bulk of his struggles were while he was hurt (Opening Day), and in the period from April 19 through May 12. One could argue strongly (and be right) that the three week stretch was when he was going through his “second spring training” and didn’t have all his arm strength. Since May 12, only the St. Louis game was truly bad, though the LA game ended badly after Wiggy muffed a DP ball (but he pitched better than the numbers show).

Take out the month of April, and Ubaldo’s ERA was 3.67.

So, if you don’t attribute the early struggles entirely to his injury and the after-effects of getting back into form, then what exactly do you attribute this stretch to?

by GoRoxGo on Jul 12, 2011 9:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

I should also add...

that Ubaldo’s ERA since May 12th is 3.13. That, indeed, IS better than his career record up to 2010, and only slightly off his 2.88 ERA of 2010.

Due to the injury and the 3-week “second spring” that he went through afterwards, you’re perception of Ubaldo’s season has been skewed.

by GoRoxGo on Jul 12, 2011 10:00 AM MDT up reply actions  

But that 3 weeks was part of his season

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by Junction Rox on Jul 12, 2011 11:01 AM MDT up reply actions  

recall that through that poor stretch we kept hearing how his stuff was top notch in BP sessions

It wasn’t translating to the field. Seems to be mental to me, a lack of confidence in his pitches, which shouldn’t happen to an ace. You keep citing his resurrection period as if I’ve ignored it. I haven’t. I’m including both, and as you’ve ignored up to now, his FIP all included is his worst since his first full year. That’s not a reasonable expectation for a blossoming young ace. Yes, weighing his recent resurrection makes more sense for future projection. I have more than “D+” confidence going forward. But this is a grade on ALL of his 17 starts, all the stats accumulated. I cannot excuse his poor performanca completely due to injury when he pitched well in strethes and couldn’t translate BP stuff to game stuff.

If you’re happy with what we’ve gotten out of him overall so far, you’d be in a distinct minority that does not include anyone in the organization, and we will have to agree to disagree. There is no more further to go from here, as far as I’m concerned.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 12, 2011 10:13 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

A 3.13 ERA since his second spring training...

is nothing to get upset about. OR to be disappointed in.

It made sense that this season would see some regression toward the mean of his career record as 2010 very well may have been his “career year”. I discard the time he pitched injured and the few weeks he spent getting into better form after he came back. You seem to weigh that too heavily in your analysis.

What is his FIP since May 12?

by GoRoxGo on Jul 12, 2011 10:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

Except his "second spring training"

was in real games.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Jul 12, 2011 10:20 AM MDT up reply actions  

Arbitrary endpoints do not support your cause.

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by Muzia on Jul 12, 2011 10:21 AM MDT up reply actions  

My only "cause" is to be objective...

which Andrew and other fans are not being when they grade Ubaldo a D+ versus expectations. His ERC of 3.37 is right in line……he was worse than expectations in April/May when battling the cuticle and the aftereffects. He was much better than expected from mid-May through the All-Star break, save a couple hiccups against the Cards and Dodgers.

Overall, he met expectations and should get a C, using Fisher’s grading scale.

by GoRoxGo on Jul 12, 2011 10:32 AM MDT up reply actions  

Overall, he met expectations and should get a C, using Fisher’s grading scale.

…if you go by May 12 as a starting point. Unfortunately, he several games before then. Those should lower his grade.

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by Muzia on Jul 12, 2011 10:33 AM MDT up reply actions  

you're the one not being objective by completely throwing out his "second spring training"

Yes, he’s been great since May 12. If those were the only games that counted, he would have gotten a C or better. As is, he is on pace for his worst season since 2008. No matter how you try to explain it, those are the numbers and they dont meet my expectations. I’m done.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 12, 2011 10:36 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

I'm not cherry picking or "throwing out" anything...

His overall ERC is 3.37, right in line with what I and most sabr-oriented fans thought he’d do this season. This includes his bad stretch early.

If we only include post-May 12th, he’s WELL ABOVE expectations and would get an A- or B+ from me. Because he only met what I expected, he gets a C.

by GoRoxGo on Jul 12, 2011 10:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

I guess you use ERC, which is not so widely used

While most every other stat available suggests he’s been worse than recent years. I guess, then, you’re ripping me a new one because I didn’t cite ERC

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 12, 2011 10:58 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

I did

Splendid. There is plenty of other stats, along with my eyes and the anecdotal negatives of his struggles that present a large case towards a disappointing first half.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 12, 2011 11:11 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

please cite where he was "pitching injured"

anyway, I’m sure if we petition MLB to have all that time credited as “second spring training” they will be happy to remove it all from our records and let us have a re-do.

by Teekalong on Jul 12, 2011 10:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

Opening Day...

when he didn’t register a K.

April 19 through May 12, he was clearly not at full strength, still feelilng aftereffects of the layoff and the injury.

After May 12th, he’s been almost as good as the 2010 Ubaldo.

Overall, that’s a “meet” not a “beat” in my book, in terms of expectations.

My guess is fans would have given him a C+ not D+ if his W/L record were 8-4 instead of 4-8. The subconsious effect on perceptions is there, I think. BTW, he has pitched well enough to have a winning record with just average run support. With good luck, 8-4 is not out of the question. Regardless, W/L has to be ignored for pitchers.

by GoRoxGo on Jul 12, 2011 10:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

Re W/L

if you can point out a post that relies to any serious extent on W/L, maybe you’ve got something here. But I don’t really think that argument has been made.

As for injury…as I noted above, I don’t care for purposes of this exercise. Its certainly important for future projections, but this article is about what actually happened on the mound so far this year. I agree that he seemed to be injured opening day (reports of bleeding), but again, he took the ball. As for the rest, I give him no credit for pitching injured to the detriment of the team, if that is in fact true (and I’ve seen no evidence of that). If he was too hurt to pitch, he should have asked out (or the staff should have held him out). Neither happened. The games were played. The results are what they are.

As you keep repeating, he’s been very good, if not truly elite, post-May 12. If that were the relevant timeframe, you would have a much better point. But in any event, if you concede here that he was basically one letter grade lower than you think, its not exactly quite the big deal that you seem to want to make it out to be.

by Teekalong on Jul 12, 2011 11:10 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Nobody did mention W/L record...

but it is my contention that W/L record has at least a subconscious effect on people’s perceptions. It surely had an effect on Tracy Ringolsby who was harsh on Ubaldo’s 4 wins when grading the pitching the other day.

I didn’t say he pitched hurt after opening day, but that he pitched rusty and went through a second spring training. He had no minor-league rehab despite the 18 day layoff. This hurt his overall numbers, but even with those struggles he ended up with only a mildly inflated ERA for the entire season and a low 3’s FIP/ERC. This is because he did pitch at an elite level from June 1 on.

ERA by month:

April – 6.75 (3 starts, hurt and rusty)
May – 5.45 (rehabbing, and a bad start vs. Cards)
June – 2.45 (BETTER than overall 2010 ERA)
July – 2.70 (and an elite performance last time out)

by GoRoxGo on Jul 12, 2011 11:20 AM MDT up reply actions  

well now you're just setting up false counterarguments so you can tear them down

As I said, I didn’t even know what his W/L was, so it couldn’t have affected anything. I even refuted your point of view with SABR stats…

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 12, 2011 11:24 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

I find it hard to believe that you, of all people,

do not know that Ubaldo is 4-8. Either you are being disingenuous or are not as on top of things as I thought you were.

My point is that the team struggles and losses that have resulted when he’s been on the mound has probably had at least a subconscious effect on people’s evaluations, including your own.

by GoRoxGo on Jul 12, 2011 11:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'm plenty on top of things, but W/L is just not something I pay attention to

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 12, 2011 11:36 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Wins and losses +Ribbies

for the win

most important stats EVER!!!

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by El Paso Jeff on Jul 12, 2011 11:37 AM MDT up reply actions  

So I want to make sure I got this straight

In your first post of the thread, you slam the people who pay too much attention to W/L records (whoever they are) and tell them to…..

Forget [Ubaldo’s] record as any gauge of performance

…..and now you are accusing ATF of “not being on top of things” because he didn’t know what Ubaldo’s W/L record?

I'm pretty disgusted right now!

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 12, 2011 11:43 AM MDT up reply actions  

You don't have it straight...

I suggested that a team’s success or failure when a pitcher takes the mound, as reflected by W/L record, is somewhat influential in shaping perceptions of the pitcher’s own performance, EVEN IF IT GOES UNSAID.

Nobody here brought up Ubaldo’s W/L record in grading him, so my comment wasn’t in reference to anybody here. Ringolsby, though, graded him and Cook harshly the other day based on their “combined 4 wins”. To even lump Ubaldo in with Cook is an insult to Ubaldo, and Tracy Ringolsby ought to be embarrassed by that.

RIRF, do you really believe ATF is completely unaware of Ubaldo’s W/L record? Even assuming he’s telling the truth, and I have no reason to think he’s not, he at least has to be aware of the team struggles when he pitches this season. Actually this goes all the way back to when he was trying to break Astacio’s win record last season.

It seems Ubaldo could sue for lack of support this season, and I would have hoped Andrew made at least one supportive comment along those lines instead of ripping him, as if he’s a part of the team’s problems this year. He’s actually been a positive asset for this team, and our W/L record would likely be a couple games worse without him,.

BTW, Fisher is no doubt on top of things. So I can’t square that with his claim of being oblivious about Ubaldo’s W/L record.

by GoRoxGo on Jul 12, 2011 12:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

Nobody's questioning whether or not Ubaldo is an asset to this team

The issue here is that everyone expected Ubaldo to be the Ace of this staff and he simply hasn’t been. Let’s count the ways…

1) Ubaldo has failed to go more than 5.1 innings in 7 of his first 17 starts and in effect taxed the bullpen. That’s not something an Ace is supposed to do.

2) Ubaldo has walked four or more hitters in over a third of his first 17 starts.

3) Ubaldo has been terrible at defending the home turf. His 6.24 ERA and .908 OPS against at Coors is a huge reason the Rockies are only 22-22 in home games this season.

4) Ubaldo still struggles when things don’t go his way. Instead of bearing down and getting out of the mess, he often makes things worse. Here’s an example.

So yes, I certainly think it’s possible ATF didn’t know what Ubaldo’s W/L record is because it doesn’t matter. Ubaldo has failed to meet expectations in several other key areas. I would have given Ubaldo a “C-” with his recent stretch of great pitching but since his first eight starts were “F” worthy, that’s as high as I can realistically go. I don’t think the “D+” is all that far off.

I'm pretty disgusted right now!

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 12, 2011 12:59 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

One other thought that I'll just throw out

though clearly not directly relevant here: even as a non-SABR devotee, I dig that W/L records are not really altogether valuable. But you know who does care about that stuff? Ubaldo, and other players. I have no doubt that the W/L mark alone is wildly disappointing…to him, at the very least.

by Teekalong on Jul 12, 2011 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

Fair enough

I think we’re well off the original point of the article and debate, but I don’t really disagree with anything there other than giving him credit for this “second spring” or whatever, when you could probably give a similarly-themed credit to every player in the league at some point if you wanted to.

As for the W/L, nobody here would dare bring it up so its not an issue, but it obviously will be outside of the small but powerful world over which SABR holds sway. W/L is still a correlative stat, and its almost certainly true that he would have a better record had he pitched, you know, better.

by Teekalong on Jul 12, 2011 11:24 AM MDT up reply actions  

Nolan Ryan's 1987 season would disagree...

with the correlation argument.

The correleation is there, but is not as strong and certainly no more telling of a pitcher’s work than RBI’s are for a hitter’s work.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/ryanno01.shtml

by GoRoxGo on Jul 12, 2011 11:31 AM MDT up reply actions  

I guess if it were more than just correlative

and in fact 100% reliable and couldn’t be shot down by 24 year old evidence, people wouldn’t deride it so much. The point remains: when you pitch really well, it will generally be reflected in record. I could probably make some argument deriding SABR stats based on Livan Hernandez, but whatever.

by Teekalong on Jul 12, 2011 11:37 AM MDT up reply actions  

correlation means tends to go along with

It doesn’t mean law in which there are no exceptions.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 12, 2011 11:37 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Teek

EVen an injured Ubaldo is less of a detriment to the team than the alternative. Moreover, it’s not primarily his decision when he pitches and when he doesn’t. These are mitigating factors for sure.

by rururuland784 on Jul 12, 2011 12:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

maybe

If he’s so hurt that he does not perform at a high level, i’d say I’d rather deal with some replacement than risk a bad performance anyway on top of further injury. In any case, my only point is that whether or not he was injured should not enter into the present analysis.

by Teekalong on Jul 12, 2011 12:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm with GoRox as well

For all the reasons he/she has laid out. I also think the overall tone of the description for Ubaldo’s first half was too harsh.

by rururuland784 on Jul 12, 2011 12:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

You really think he deserves an A
an A actually tells us about the performance, whereas incomplete doesn’t really illustrate anything

This one is a bit of a flip/flop isn’t it?
Most fans expected that JDLR was going to pitch the entire season. He didn’t therefore at best he should get a C with a disclaimer.
IMO, He and Ubaldo both deserve F’s for their relation to expectations. Ubaldo shouldn’t be compared to his first half last year, but to the season as a whole. He’s been below that expectation this year, but I believe that most of his first half problems were due to injury, and if you don’t take that into consideration for JDLR, then you need to remove them for Ubaldo so its apples-to-apples.

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by rockieprogress on Jul 12, 2011 10:01 AM MDT up reply actions  

don't think they can be apples to apples though

While Ubaldo’s struggles are probably due mostly due to injury, can we know for sure? He sucked out loud for several starts, and it hurt the Rockies on the field. I wouldn’t feel comfortable giving DLR a C based solely on missed time. I think an A based on performance relative to expectations or an incomplete. Either way. I’d be ok with it. I see your argument though.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 12, 2011 10:05 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

For your comparison

they have to be apples to apples. Its the only fair way to do it.

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by rockieprogress on Jul 12, 2011 10:08 AM MDT up reply actions  

on second thought, I'm willing to grant that to you

I was trying to convey how much better he was in his starts than we should have expected, but youre right, his overall production by the all star break is about C levl.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 12, 2011 10:31 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

DLR is a very good pitcher...

So his numbers prior to getting hurt did not pleasantly surprise me. They were what I expected. He was good. However, based on your grading scale, I’d give him a “C” since he met MY expectations while out there. Why you’d give him an A is very curious to me, not to mention the inconsistent application of injury “demerit points” (or lack thereof).

by GoRoxGo on Jul 12, 2011 10:28 AM MDT up reply actions  

his numbers were better than at any point in his career

I find it curious that you expected a career year from a 30 year old pitcher, yet expect regression from a 27 year old who got better with each season.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 12, 2011 10:33 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Look at the trendline. DLR has improved each season

I think a lot of folks expected him to make one more jump. This is when the predictive powers of SABR fall well short. Everyone knows JDLR’s performance hinges on hos ability to handle his own emotions. He’s mad incremental progress in that area since he’s been here. If the grade was relative to stuff, he still may be slightly below expectations.

by rururuland784 on Jul 12, 2011 12:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

That's my reasoning too...

DLR is someone who easily can do what he did over 10 starts this season. That’s no surprise to me at all, and worthy of a “C” based on meeting my high expectations for him.

Ubaldo had what is called a “quantum leap” last season, or “career year”. It is natural to expect regression toward career mean after a season like that. Overall, I think Ubaldo pitched like the Ubaldo we’ve seen most of the time here from 2007-2010 in the first half. Yes, his velocity was down a bit, but the effect on his overall stats was not dramatic. Now, he’s pitching as well as ever, and should end the season with an ERA well under 4.00 if he stays healthy.

ruru, you brought up Fisher’s writeup on Ubaldo being too harsh in tone. I think that’s what set me off more than anything. He writes as if Ubaldo was a net liability to the team rather than an asset in the first half. I guarantee you we’d be 2 or 3 games worse off if Ubaldo wasn’t in the rotation at all in the first half. I took umbrage with the tone of thee written critique as much or more than the D+ grade he handed out.

by GoRoxGo on Jul 12, 2011 12:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm looking at this pair of pieces as "why aren't the Rockies performing to expectations?"

as opposed to “if the Rockies were to get rid of some guys and keep others, who would you get rid of?”

Grades for the second question would be different from grades from the first. (Though giving DLR an incomplete might help make the problem clear; it’s hard to rely on pitching when the #2 guy going into the season has to get Tommy John surgery. Yes, he did great, but losing him made it much harder for the Rockies to win.)

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by glaucophane on Jul 12, 2011 8:38 AM MDT reply actions  

you are definitely looking at it as intended

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 12, 2011 8:42 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think, then, that I would grade Tulo and CarGo lower on yesterday's post.

The expectations for both of them were pretty high (even expecting some regression from CarGo). Given the expectations that go with the contracts, I’d have to give them both Cs of some sort.

That might make the overall offense grade seem more reasonable – I expected more from the offense than I’ve seen (although individuals have come through, especially Todd and CDI), and it’s not all due to Ian Stewart. (My 2B expectations were pretty low, given history.)

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by glaucophane on Jul 12, 2011 8:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

yeah, I agree

AMart approached it a little differently than I, so comparing grades across isn’t really doable

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 12, 2011 8:56 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Agree

I just hope people don’t look at it and think that the pitching has been a bigger problem than the hitting.

I'm pretty disgusted right now!

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 12, 2011 9:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

yeah, that's a worry

But I can’t force people to read thorougly :)

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 12, 2011 10:02 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

i've seen it.

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by hotdoglady on Jul 12, 2011 10:11 AM MDT up reply actions  

which movie we talkin?

google needs reverse image search.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Jul 12, 2011 10:11 AM MDT up reply actions  

Hot Fuzz, right?

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by Muzia on Jul 12, 2011 10:12 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yes. There are two characters called the Andes (Andys).

This is the image I get when they come in contact with, or refer to, one another on the site.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 12, 2011 10:14 AM MDT up reply actions  

agreed

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by El Paso Jeff on Jul 12, 2011 11:27 AM MDT up reply actions  

Probably a fair Grade

Everybody wants our players to have better grades it seems like due to SOME stat whatever it may be. Some xFIP some xERA some xzwerWAR some weather weighted xOPS whatever….stats seems like they can always be manipulated in some sort of fashion to make your point….

Truth is we are below .500 and not very good so far this year…basically a .500 record would be a C. C+ for hitters and a D for the Pitchers equals out to be a C-…right where are record leaves us….pretty fair to me.

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by waterboy31321 on Jul 12, 2011 8:46 AM MDT reply actions  

well, technically a .500 record would've been below our expectations, so I'd say it'd be a C- or D+

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 12, 2011 8:48 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Oh yes...

ohhhhhh ya. You did mention that C is meeting our exectations….then I was expecting about 10 games above .500 right now. They are currently 5 below? I would probably give them an…

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by waterboy31321 on Jul 12, 2011 8:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

A dancing F-

is so much more humiliating than just a static F- my teachers gave me on my report card.

Imagine the whippings I woulda gotten had my parents had internet when I was in school

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by El Paso Jeff on Jul 12, 2011 8:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

hahaha its like constant assurance of your failure

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by waterboy31321 on Jul 12, 2011 8:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

I got an F once

in like 3rd grade because I didn’t put a period behind sentences. So she said if I wanted a better grade I would have to stay in during recess and rewrite 10 sentences 10 times each.I just put periods behind 10 sentences and went out for recess. She gave me an F and told me to give the paper to my mom. So it was my birthday the next day so I figured that wouldn’t be good. So I flushed it down the toilet at school. Still remember it to this day

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by waterboy31321 on Jul 12, 2011 9:12 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

I got an F in college

Calculus based physics was too difficult for more than half of the first semester freshmen in that class. I deserved it…I was way below my expectation :)

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 12, 2011 9:17 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

I loved physics

Major curve-grading. Most of the time, a 40% on a test would be an A. Halfway through the final, the whole room started laughing because it was so impossible.

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by Yokel on Jul 12, 2011 9:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

Gotta love those tests

when people just start throwing the pencils and starting laughing…

had the same thing in a finance test

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by waterboy31321 on Jul 12, 2011 9:21 AM MDT up reply actions  

I took physics in high school.

pretty easy A. honest. then I took it in college, just a freshman requirement out of the way. that kicked my ass. entirely different animal. turns out high school physics was more the hooked on phonics version.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Jul 12, 2011 9:22 AM MDT up reply actions  

"Here, memorize these formulas"

“No, that’s too hard. I’ll put them on the board. Then just plug and chug.”

It’s so much more fun and makes so much more sense with calculus, though.

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by Yokel on Jul 12, 2011 9:24 AM MDT up reply actions  

absolutely

After I had some calculus under my belt, I aced that class.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 12, 2011 9:25 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

yeah, if memory serves

i got kind of a mercy C. although I probably deserved a D+.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Jul 12, 2011 9:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

so you met

expectations?

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by hotdoglady on Jul 12, 2011 9:27 AM MDT up reply actions  

my prof curved, but not enough

I was in the 60th percentile in the class, and I failed

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 12, 2011 9:24 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

It was the complete opposite for me

I didn’t understand calculus until I took it at the same time as my calc-based physics class.

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by Justus on Jul 12, 2011 9:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

I had a similar experience with Economics

Calculus classes were laborious for me, because I wasn’t very good at the algebra and struggled to get through the exam problems in a timely manner. Once I started using calculus in Econometrics and some other Economics classes, it began to make sense.

by Northsider1964 on Jul 12, 2011 9:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

I can see that

They just go together, like peanut butter and jelly.

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by Yokel on Jul 12, 2011 9:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

I actually hated peanut butter and jelly for the longest time

Now I love it.
Analogy complete.

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by Justus on Jul 12, 2011 12:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

grade or recess

hmmmmmmm See you at the top of the climbing pole

Fail me all you want, I got a tingly feeling

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by El Paso Jeff on Jul 12, 2011 9:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

umm yea 3rd grade…without recess? That is like the worst day ever

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by waterboy31321 on Jul 12, 2011 9:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

OT: Did you see that guy almost fell last night at the HR Derby?

No pitty for that guy…standing on an 18" wide table barefoot and wasted

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by waterboy31321 on Jul 12, 2011 9:38 AM MDT reply actions  

look at the first post^

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by rockieprogress on Jul 12, 2011 10:09 AM MDT up reply actions  

Cargo has a deep bone bruise

Getting cortisone shot today, will take BP tomorrow

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by black_knight101 on Jul 12, 2011 10:11 AM MDT via mobile reply actions  

but how deep are Cargo’s bones?

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by waterboy31321 on Jul 12, 2011 10:16 AM MDT up reply actions  

they probably meet

expectations so I would give them a C.

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by hotdoglady on Jul 12, 2011 10:16 AM MDT up reply actions  

depends on the size of the

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by DAWNMARIE01 on Jul 12, 2011 10:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

are you trying to say it depends on the size of his bone?

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by waterboy31321 on Jul 12, 2011 10:21 AM MDT up reply actions  

0_o

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by hotdoglady on Jul 12, 2011 10:22 AM MDT up reply actions  

bruise?

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by DAWNMARIE01 on Jul 12, 2011 10:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

11 Minutes

Impressive.

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by Yokel on Jul 12, 2011 10:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

YES FOREVER

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by Resolution on Jul 12, 2011 8:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

is this still on his wrist?

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by waterboy31321 on Jul 12, 2011 10:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

So Picture Day is Saturday,

and I’ve been scavenging the archives in search of photo day information (this is my first time, and I’m totally lost). So basically what I’m assuming is that for the 6:10 start, the gates open at 3:30, then which you go down to the warning track which is guarded by rope and the players come by and you ask them for a picture, and then you go under the rope and on the grass to take a picture?
So I have questions.
1. It does open at 3:30, right? Has anyone seen any info lately?
2. How many players do you end up with? Have you ever had a few people you really wanted, and got them all?
3. Am I gonna have to push and shove the other fans?
4. Do they just skip batting practice?
5.. I know autographs are highy discouraged: have any of you been successful at breaking the rules? (partially joking)
6. If not, do they still sign autographs by the dugout after?
7. What mode should my camera be on?
8. How should I do my hair?
(joking on those last two.)

Thanks!

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by prettyinpurple on Jul 12, 2011 10:32 AM MDT reply actions  

Really?

I shouldn’t have my long flowing locks?
And if I wear it up, I won’t be able to wear a hat.
Which brings me to: should I wear my hat?

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by prettyinpurple on Jul 12, 2011 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions  

I just like it when women wear their hair up.

But I also like women in caps, so I’m confused now. The best thing ever is women with pixie cuts in caps. It’s kind of a combination of both.

by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 12, 2011 11:06 AM MDT up reply actions  

So basically

me in a hat?

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by hotdoglady on Jul 12, 2011 11:06 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yes?

I came of age in the 90s when this look was somewhat common. I can’t let it go.

by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 12, 2011 11:08 AM MDT up reply actions  

I have a pixie cut.

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by hotdoglady on Jul 12, 2011 11:10 AM MDT up reply actions  

Ok.

If you wear boot-cut, hiphugger jeans, a faux-ironic babydoll t-shirt, Doc Martens, and smell vaguely of a mix of patchouli and sweat, you’re the perfect woman. Especially if you are attending an A Tribe Called Quest concert.

by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 12, 2011 11:13 AM MDT up reply actions  

Hate to break it to you.

But I’m gay.

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by hotdoglady on Jul 12, 2011 11:14 AM MDT up reply actions  

Some would say that I already am.

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by hotdoglady on Jul 12, 2011 11:16 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

As long as your one true love thinks you are

that’s all that matters.

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by SDcat09 on Jul 12, 2011 11:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

Rec'd for universal truth

Time for some of this Rockies: "One of the beautiful things about baseball is that every once in a while you come into a situation where you want to, and where you have to, reach down and prove something." Nolan Ryan

by dsmba on Jul 12, 2011 11:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

You're not the only one.

^4

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by RdRnnr on Jul 12, 2011 11:28 AM MDT up reply actions  

Alright.

My first green is a comment about my ineptitude.

Sounds about right.

by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 12, 2011 4:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

It wouldn't surprise me at all...

to find all my greens were self-depreciating.

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by RdRnnr on Jul 12, 2011 4:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

Did you just say that hipsters like ATCQ?

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by Thnikkaman on Jul 12, 2011 1:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ex-Hipsters

LIke me. I used to be so hip I couldn’t see my shoes. Now I can;t see my shoes for other reasons.

by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 12, 2011 1:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

I find that offensive.

I’m not a hipster dangit.

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by Thnikkaman on Jul 12, 2011 1:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think hipster-types liked them back in the day.

The current brood of hipsters would probably not like them. But if you liked them back in the day, and saw them in concert, and are white, you were most likely a hipster.

by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 12, 2011 1:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

I liked them back in the day

And still like them now. I am excited to see the documentary. I never got the chance to see them in concert, but I have seen The Roots (now known as Jimmy Fallon’s house band) as well as Jurassic 5, Roni Size, Bustah Rhymes, and Cypress Hill.

And I am only white on the outside.

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by Thnikkaman on Jul 12, 2011 1:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yes

A Ty WIggington Home Run is a Rockies Death Sentence.

by Thnikkaman on Jul 12, 2011 1:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

7. Depending on the type of camera you have

I would suggest having it set to the “portrait” setting.

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by hotdoglady on Jul 12, 2011 11:03 AM MDT up reply actions  

But sometimes ot gets blurry

maybe I should do the lowest shutter speed….

Eh, you’re probably right.

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by prettyinpurple on Jul 12, 2011 12:12 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Tim Wheeler needs to go deep into the Majors

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by waterboy31321 on Jul 12, 2011 10:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

The Reds have Ubbaldo on their "radar"

MLBTradeRumors Article

We could get a sweet package in return if I wanted to get rid of Ubbaldo. Travis Wood, Mike Leake, Yoder Alonso, Maloney?

Just for discussion

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by waterboy31321 on Jul 12, 2011 10:53 AM MDT reply actions  

not enough, at all

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 12, 2011 10:58 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Wood + Alonso is an okay starting point. We’d need at least 2 more top prospects to even begin talks though.

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by Muzia on Jul 12, 2011 11:01 AM MDT up reply actions  

but how do you actually begin the talks then? Do you just answer the phone? And they have to come up with 4 names?

hahaha

its always fun to think about completely raping somebodys farm system. Not that any of us want to get rid of Ubbaldo and he is still good. But any time you can better your ball club its fun to think about.

Especially when they have a bunch of young arms.

We could go Ubbaldo and Fowler for Stubbs, Leake, Wood and Alonso

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by waterboy31321 on Jul 12, 2011 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions  

Leake isn't a substantial trade name in my eyes.

He doesn’t have the ceiling we’re looking for.

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by Muzia on Jul 12, 2011 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions  

no your right…we want Matt Moore type ceiling…
but if you can get 2 #3 starters thats not bad either

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by waterboy31321 on Jul 12, 2011 11:05 AM MDT up reply actions  

But not good enough

10:$1.25M, 11:$2.8M, 12:$4.2M, 13:$5.75M club option ($1M buyout), 14:$8M club option ($1M buyout)

That’s Ubaldo’s contract. That’s an insane bargain.

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by Muzia on Jul 12, 2011 11:11 AM MDT up reply actions  

Leake would be a steal...

Sorry, someone just had to say it. :)

by Northsider1964 on Jul 12, 2011 11:11 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

:D

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by Muzia on Jul 12, 2011 11:12 AM MDT up reply actions  

I don't think

we want to patch all the leaks in our farm system with another Leake….we should look to solve the problem the right way first

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by waterboy31321 on Jul 12, 2011 11:28 AM MDT up reply actions  

He has a great hook up at Macys for sure

American Rag t’s are sooo cool

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by waterboy31321 on Jul 12, 2011 11:32 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'm sure you meant

to say raiding not raping.

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by SDcat09 on Jul 12, 2011 11:09 AM MDT up reply actions  

no I meant raping

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by waterboy31321 on Jul 12, 2011 11:24 AM MDT up reply actions  

hows that popcorn?

can I get sum of that? It looks like this show’s just begun

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by El Paso Jeff on Jul 12, 2011 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

yeah the show was a B+ as it greatly exceeded my expectations

but i think its only half over so I’ll go get some more popcorn to share with you

by purplesocks on Jul 12, 2011 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

Sad to read that.

Pretty terrible

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by SDcat09 on Jul 12, 2011 11:29 AM MDT up reply actions  

i know its so bad….only a terrible terrible person would say that…its so offensive

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by waterboy31321 on Jul 12, 2011 11:30 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

below expectations

Grade = D-

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by DAWNMARIE01 on Jul 12, 2011 11:31 AM MDT up reply actions  

It is very offensive

on many levels.

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by SDcat09 on Jul 12, 2011 11:31 AM MDT up reply actions  

why?

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by waterboy31321 on Jul 12, 2011 11:32 AM MDT up reply actions  

Really?

I’m just going to let this go. Moving on.

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by SDcat09 on Jul 12, 2011 11:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'm with you Cat.

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by hotdoglady on Jul 12, 2011 11:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah.

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by SDcat09 on Jul 12, 2011 11:35 AM MDT up reply actions  

Me too.

I don’t like that it’s somehow made it’s way to a different meaning. It just takes me out of the discussion at hand anytime I see it.

by holly96 on Jul 12, 2011 1:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

And to clarify after reading the rest of the thread.

I realize there are technically other meanings. And I know nobody intends it to be offensive, and probably isn’t even thinking of the most common meaning when they do use it.

I just don’t like that it’s made its way into sports parlance. I find it at the very least incredibly distracting whenever I see it.

by holly96 on Jul 12, 2011 1:21 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Urban Dictionary

which, is like the sabermetrics of definitions, has a definition that says

To utterly defeat another person in any form of competitive activies.

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by waterboy31321 on Jul 12, 2011 11:35 AM MDT up reply actions  

Well, if you're going to go buy Urban Dictionary

as opposed to what most people in the world would really see in that term, then I just don’t think I’ll ever convince you as to why it’s problematic.

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by SDcat09 on Jul 12, 2011 11:37 AM MDT up reply actions  

*by

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by SDcat09 on Jul 12, 2011 11:37 AM MDT up reply actions  

Not just Urban Dictionary though
Rape \Rape\, v. i.
     To rob; to pillage.

— Webster’s Dictionary (1913)

5. (Fig., Colloq.) An action causing results harmful to a person or thing; as, the rape of the land by mining companies.

— Collaborative International Dictionary of English v 0.48

7. to plunder (a place); despoil.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/rape

I really don’t want to fuel the fire here (actually I want to diffuse it) but words have lots of meanings and just because one meaning is offensive (and sexual assault certainly is offensive) doesn’t mean the other meanings or the word itself is.

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by RoarFrom112 on Jul 12, 2011 12:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm very aware of the other usages of the term

Again, I’ve said my peace.

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by SDcat09 on Jul 12, 2011 12:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

As a sexual assault survivor

comparing us getting a good amount of players for Ubaldo – to the act of rape is very offensive.

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by hotdoglady on Jul 12, 2011 11:37 AM MDT up reply actions  

well earlier when somebody talked about sexual exploits it didn’t seem to bother you?

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by waterboy31321 on Jul 12, 2011 11:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

....

Acts of sex between two consenting adults is fine.

Rape is not.

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by hotdoglady on Jul 12, 2011 11:41 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Wow.

That’s not really the same thing at all.

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by SDcat09 on Jul 12, 2011 11:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

to sexually exploit somebody is not the same thing?

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by waterboy31321 on Jul 12, 2011 11:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

someone bragging about

having sex. Is not the same as sexually exploiting someone.

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by hotdoglady on Jul 12, 2011 11:43 AM MDT up reply actions  

I get what you're saying here

but I meant it as an act between consenting adults.

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by Muzia on Jul 12, 2011 11:43 AM MDT up reply actions  

You're mixing the verb exploit with the noun exploit,

Check the real dictionary for the difference. But, again, I’d just let it alone out of courtesy since people are obviously offended.

by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 12, 2011 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

First

I’m quite sure neither PHLP or the consenting adult were exploited? No one got that vibe at all.

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by SDcat09 on Jul 12, 2011 11:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

again I don’t know what PHLP stands for and where the story came from

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by waterboy31321 on Jul 12, 2011 11:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

PinchHitLancePainter is phlp

and he was bragging about getting with some woman.

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by SDcat09 on Jul 12, 2011 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

Where did my second go.

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by SDcat09 on Jul 12, 2011 11:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

Look

1) I am very sorry to those who were offended for the rape comment (SDcat and Maria M)
2) Rape is not cool
3) Rape is very bad
4) Rape is much worse than bragging about sexual exploits
5) Take this for what it is worth because i like SDCat and Maria very much on here, but this has been the 3rd or 5th time lately that it seems the gynocrats go around looking for stuff to get offended by and then telling everybody how offended you are. There are many times I might find somethign that is offensive to my religion on here but I don’t go around trying to pick fights with people about what is and what is not offensive. Which is basically the reason why I continued with the rape stuff. It almost feels at sometimes it is impossible to please the gynocrats because anything that can be slightly offensive to women turns it to something “big”. I never intend to offend women or anything of that sort and I enjoy interacting with the gynocrats on this site and hope to continue to do so. Thank you.

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by waterboy31321 on Jul 12, 2011 11:53 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

No one goes around looking for things like this. It jumped out at me like a slap in the face. And I was trying to give you an out, hoping that you would see that maybe using rape as some sort of analogy in sports is wrong just plain wrong (imo). I don’t think you are a bad person. I just found this completely bizarre . I was hoping to helpy

RAPE is not just offensive to women. It’s offensive to humanity.

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by SDcat09 on Jul 12, 2011 11:58 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

but did you really think I meant anything offensive by it?

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by waterboy31321 on Jul 12, 2011 12:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

Does it matter?

I think you just didn’t think that it was offensive. But again. I’ve said my peace.

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by SDcat09 on Jul 12, 2011 12:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

very well…I as well…

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by waterboy31321 on Jul 12, 2011 12:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

and how many levels?

like upper deck?

or a parking garage with like 7 levels?

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by waterboy31321 on Jul 12, 2011 11:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

Whether you agree with the offensive nature,

you should still probably back off of the joking out of courtesy. Just a thought.

by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 12, 2011 11:36 AM MDT up reply actions  

Sometimes words have multiple meanings

that are not necessarily related to each other.

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by RdRnnr on Jul 12, 2011 11:31 AM MDT up reply actions  

Perhaps but I found it bothersome and below my expectations

of what I expect especially here at PR So I give it an F.

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by SDcat09 on Jul 12, 2011 11:33 AM MDT up reply actions  

It has other meanings

Infamous war crimes (not necessarily including sexual assaults) being the most common alternate usage.

Also, Alexander Pope wasn’t talking about the sexual assault of a lock of hair.

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by Yokel on Jul 12, 2011 11:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'm aware of the alternate usage of the term

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by SDcat09 on Jul 12, 2011 12:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

This is all well and good,

but no-one should debate someone over whether they should or should not be offended.

A courteous person responds to offending someone by saying, “I’m sorry. I did not wish to offend you.” Following this, they shut up, even if they don’t feel as if what they did should have offended the person. What they think should have happened does not change the reality of what did happen.

That’s how civil discourse works. I think.

by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 12, 2011 12:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm offended by this suggestion.

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by RdRnnr on Jul 12, 2011 12:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm offended that you're offended.

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by DAWNMARIE01 on Jul 12, 2011 12:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

"I’m sorry. I did not wish to offend you."

I will shut up now.

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by RdRnnr on Jul 12, 2011 12:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

Good apology.

I give it a strong B+.

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by DAWNMARIE01 on Jul 12, 2011 12:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm sad that your expectations were so low.

That a cut-and-paste apology exceeded them! ;-)

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by RdRnnr on Jul 12, 2011 12:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well, it would have been an A with a little more flowery prose.

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by DAWNMARIE01 on Jul 12, 2011 12:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

I bet these people here could tell you how it works

Linky

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by dsmba on Jul 12, 2011 12:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

Agree, and rec'd

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by RdRnnr on Jul 12, 2011 12:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

The use of the word vehement shows a misunderstanding.

You are mixing outrage with offense. The two are different, although the distinction is sometimes lost in today’s discourse. I would agree with this point if you replace offended with outraged.

by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 12, 2011 12:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm outraged that more people weren't outraged

at the offense. :)

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by SDcat09 on Jul 12, 2011 1:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

[73-comment semantic argument]

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by Yokel on Jul 12, 2011 1:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hippie.

Oh, wait.

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by Yokel on Jul 12, 2011 1:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

I would never say never on Ubaldo

Or any other player for that matter. I just think the timing is awful, because teams will want to swoop in a buy low based on his bad W/L record and some of the issues he struggled with earlier in the year.

He’s still relatively inexpensive through 2014, and we are already scrambling like crazy to find starting-pitcher innings. So it would have to be a whopper of an offer before I would say yes.

by Northsider1964 on Jul 12, 2011 11:10 AM MDT up reply actions  

The link touched on that if you read it

its not a buy low point on Ubbaldo

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by waterboy31321 on Jul 12, 2011 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions  

Forget the rape comment

I’m getting really irritated by your spelling of Ubaldo

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by squalene203 on Jul 12, 2011 3:03 PM MDT up reply actions   2 recs

FINALLY

the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox

if it's not tracy's fault, it's not not tracy's fault, either

by papality on Jul 12, 2011 3:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

I would definitely trade Ubbaldo to the Reds

for Leake, Alonso and a couple top prospects.

By the time they figure out we’re keeping Ubaldo, their farm system will have already been raided…

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by Junction Rox on Jul 12, 2011 4:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

or pillaged.

But definitely not that other word!

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by RdRnnr on Jul 12, 2011 4:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

Sorry Scripps

but I like to spell it that way because he is Ubbbbbbbbbbber Good

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by waterboy31321 on Jul 13, 2011 8:05 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'd want Mesocaro or Chapman or something.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 12, 2011 11:13 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

ahhh hell

throw them both in there

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by waterboy31321 on Jul 12, 2011 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions  

Mescaro and Chapman

and something…Not gonna happen. But interesting I suppose to listen

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by El Paso Jeff on Jul 12, 2011 11:24 AM MDT up reply actions  

No Chapman for me thanks. All speed, no control, remember last year when we nailed him hard? He is hittable

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by Roxman4ever on Jul 12, 2011 11:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

Throw Phillips or Votto in, then we can talk.

How do you get your kids to behave? Threaten not to take them to a Rockies game. They straighten up REAL QUICK.
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by Roxman4ever on Jul 12, 2011 11:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

What about Drew Stubbs? Even though he is leading the majors in strikeouts?

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by Roxman4ever on Jul 12, 2011 11:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

first MLB experience though. He’s young and should improve.

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by Muzia on Jul 12, 2011 11:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

An important point for me in this link:

Rosenthal says that Rockies will talk about everyone except Tulo and Cargo. Once again, striking down the credibility of the PHLP story.

by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 12, 2011 11:01 AM MDT up reply actions  

I take it that his "we're trading for the messiah" didn't pan out then?

Boy howdy, am I shocked.

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by Justus on Jul 12, 2011 11:03 AM MDT up reply actions  

whats the PHLP rule?

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by waterboy31321 on Jul 12, 2011 11:05 AM MDT up reply actions  

1. Always slop your hogs.

2. Don’t grow up in SoCal.
3. Always slop your hogs.

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by hotdoglady on Jul 12, 2011 11:05 AM MDT up reply actions  

4. Speak of sexual exploits

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by Muzia on Jul 12, 2011 11:11 AM MDT up reply actions  

***Story i mean

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by waterboy31321 on Jul 12, 2011 11:05 AM MDT up reply actions  

The final story was that

we were trading “one of the big two” in a three-team deal for the Messiah, but it didn;t pan out.

by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 12, 2011 11:09 AM MDT up reply actions  

Upon further review

maybe PHLP’s big two are different than what we think the big two were?

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by SDcat09 on Jul 12, 2011 11:11 AM MDT up reply actions  

I was trying to be funny sorry

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by SDcat09 on Jul 12, 2011 11:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

Another Point:

Ubaldo has already experienced being overpitched, so he’ll fit right in with the current manager in Cincy.

by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 12, 2011 11:07 AM MDT up reply actions  

Somebody put GRG on suicide watch.

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by Yokel on Jul 12, 2011 11:14 AM MDT up reply actions  

GRG?

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by hotdoglady on Jul 12, 2011 11:14 AM MDT up reply actions  

GoRoxGo

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by Yokel on Jul 12, 2011 11:16 AM MDT up reply actions  

good post.

I give it a c+

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by hotdoglady on Jul 12, 2011 11:17 AM MDT up reply actions  

So if "good" is C+ for me

Does that make my expected performance consistently above average?

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by Yokel on Jul 12, 2011 11:18 AM MDT up reply actions  

You slightly

exceeded my expectations on that post. If you keep that up I can see you getting a B-.

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by hotdoglady on Jul 12, 2011 11:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'm going to pull all-nighters

And try to get my xPIP below 2.06.

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by Yokel on Jul 12, 2011 11:20 AM MDT up reply actions  

sounds like Hard Times.

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by Muzia on Jul 12, 2011 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions  

I would focus on your lols/9P

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by hotdoglady on Jul 12, 2011 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions  

Is that lols per 9 posts?

or lols per 9 puns?

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by SDcat09 on Jul 12, 2011 11:24 AM MDT up reply actions  

LOLS per 9 posts

the lols/9+ is pun adjusted.

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by hotdoglady on Jul 12, 2011 11:25 AM MDT up reply actions  

Ah.

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by SDcat09 on Jul 12, 2011 11:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

That's why you're always a C student.

Infinitely high expectations that are always met.

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by Yokel on Jul 12, 2011 11:24 AM MDT up reply actions  

But what were you expectation based on last season posting performance?

I don’t recollect a lot of his/her posts from last year so it’s probably a SSS of expectations.

I give it a C.

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by SDcat09 on Jul 12, 2011 11:18 AM MDT up reply actions  

Oh Look a Personal Attack

that is tolerated on PR… what a shocker.

It's Jim Tracy's Fault.

by wolf213 on Jul 12, 2011 1:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think your definition of personal attack is a bit broader than ours.

A bit of sarcasm/teasing is not the same as personal attack, as long as it doesn’t go too far.

by holly96 on Jul 12, 2011 1:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think the mob mentality against other Posters here that have different view points

is absolutely personal attacking. Its a shame what this site has become since Russ left.

It's Jim Tracy's Fault.

by wolf213 on Jul 12, 2011 1:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

So basically

If you or the mob around here attacks a poster with a varying view point, and can back up his arguement, then that’s a personal attack, but if the Mob decides to joke about a suicide watch on a poster, then thats ok…

It's Jim Tracy's Fault.

by wolf213 on Jul 12, 2011 2:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

hard to navigate

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by DAWNMARIE01 on Jul 12, 2011 2:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

Fine tell me how joking about putting someone on Suicide Watch

is not a personal attack. I’m waiting for the explanation on this one. As if Suicide is something we should be joking about.

It's Jim Tracy's Fault.

by wolf213 on Jul 12, 2011 2:09 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Look, if you think that comment was a huge deal, I'm probably not going to convince you otherwise.

Those types of jokes get made all the time all over the place. I don’t see it as a problem.

by holly96 on Jul 12, 2011 2:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

of course you wouldn't

your part of the mob….

It's Jim Tracy's Fault.

by wolf213 on Jul 12, 2011 2:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

I wasn't even involved in the discussion today.

I truly don’t understand where you’re coming from. At all. But that’s okay.

by holly96 on Jul 12, 2011 2:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

Holly? part of the mob?

Really she is one of the most level headed people around here…

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by hotdoglady on Jul 12, 2011 2:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

mobster

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by DAWNMARIE01 on Jul 12, 2011 2:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

The mob that Holly belongs to...

is pretty obscure; you’ve probably never heard of it.

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by RdRnnr on Jul 12, 2011 2:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

I have a question

If there are russian mobs and italian mobs and columbian mobs…why doesn’t Canada get a mob?

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by waterboy31321 on Jul 12, 2011 2:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

They have them

They’re just called hockey teams there.

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by Yokel on Jul 12, 2011 2:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

take off, eh

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by DAWNMARIE01 on Jul 12, 2011 2:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

it's a hipster mob then?

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by DAWNMARIE01 on Jul 12, 2011 2:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

Oh, you mean a flash mob

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Oh…

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by Mondogarage on Jul 12, 2011 3:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yep, Holly is a hipster mobster

I mean, we all knew that, right?

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by Junction Rox on Jul 12, 2011 3:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

exactly; how is a suicide joke any less offensive than a rape joke?

personally, never having been affected by either thing i dont really care either way, but that is an unbelievable double standard, particularly for Purple Row

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if it's not tracy's fault, it's not not tracy's fault, either

by papality on Jul 12, 2011 4:00 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

And Russ is still around from time to time.

I don’t think him not managing the site has anything to do with any perceived change.

by holly96 on Jul 12, 2011 1:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

Russ was in charge during the only known PR War. Be careful what you wish for…

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by Muzia on Jul 12, 2011 2:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

One

civil war, one war of whim.

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by Russ Oates on Jul 12, 2011 2:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hey

That first war was during a playoff run.

I'm pretty disgusted right now!

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 12, 2011 2:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think this is a very unfair assessment.

There’s been a huge uptick in the number of users over the last couple of years, and with that there is bound to be more contention and different viewpoints/perspectives. I’ve noticed it since like opening day of last year. The writing staff is not to blame, they are doing the best job out of anyone here at accommodating viewpoints and squashing personal attacks.

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by Justus on Jul 12, 2011 2:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

Holly,

I’m attacking your person

How do you like IT????

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by Thnikkaman on Jul 12, 2011 1:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

hipster

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by DAWNMARIE01 on Jul 12, 2011 1:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well done.

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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Jul 12, 2011 2:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

If the Rockies trade Ubaldo

Names like Trout or Harper better be coming back… otherwise they are insane.

It's Jim Tracy's Fault.

by wolf213 on Jul 12, 2011 1:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

says the yankees might get involved

jesus montero, robbie cano, and joba for ubaldo…done and done

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by papality on Jul 12, 2011 4:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

we could probably even stash ey or fowler in there and it's still a steal

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by papality on Jul 12, 2011 4:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

Cano makes that deal.

Not a fan of Joba and Montero.

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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 12, 2011 4:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

Joba's done.

That aside, we don’t have the talented depth at SP to make such a trade without pitching coming back. Not to say the trade isn’t “fair”, but that trade won’t make the Rockies a better team, when we then have three holes in the starting rotation instead of two.

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by Mondogarage on Jul 12, 2011 4:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

cano and betances or banuelos for ubaldo, fowler, and ey

trade of the decade

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by papality on Jul 12, 2011 4:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well, I don't agree RE: Joba.

But starting pitching would need to come back, absolutely.

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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 12, 2011 4:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

He's pitched to a 0.9 WAR over the last three seasons.

Combined.

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by Mondogarage on Jul 12, 2011 4:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

And he had TJ surgery about the same time as DLR

not much help to us until about the time we’ve got less need for help…

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by Junction Rox on Jul 12, 2011 4:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

And he was a high-mileage college starter

who’s always had a weight issue. Like his stuff, but don’t like his chances of having a lengthy, high-level career.

Love Cano but just don’t think the Yanks will put him on the trade block. And as someone else noted, the Rockies can’t trade Ubaldo without getting a pile of innings (maybe not elite innings, but innings) in the return package. Bullpen’s out of gas by late July as it is.

by Northsider1964 on Jul 12, 2011 5:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

3.5 fWAR past 3 seasons

best year of his career last season in every dept except K/9, the high ERA was purely a result of bad LOB luck

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by papality on Jul 12, 2011 4:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

0.2 bWAR last season

And as JR says, TJ surgery.

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by Mondogarage on Jul 12, 2011 4:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

1.4 fWAR, 28 SD, 8 MD

tj is hardly a bad thing these days, the recovery time would be the only issue

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by papality on Jul 12, 2011 4:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

ROgers just gave up another dong

solo drillers down 3-2

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by El Paso Jeff on Jul 12, 2011 11:15 AM MDT reply actions  

Remember Rogers

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by Northsider1964 on Jul 12, 2011 11:18 AM MDT up reply actions  

D+

I EXPECT a Major leaguer to dominate minor leagers….

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by El Paso Jeff on Jul 12, 2011 11:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

rehab start though

and San Antonio has some legit talent on their squad.

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by Muzia on Jul 12, 2011 11:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

dam san antonio is 61- 20something

thats a heck of a ballclub

Who’s AA organization is this?

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San Diego

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 12, 2011 11:39 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Your NL All Stars

1. Rickie Weeks® 2B
2. Carlos Beltran (S) DH
3. Matt Kemp® CF
4. Prince Fielder (L) 1B
5. Brian McCann (L) C
6. Lance Berkman (S) RF
7. Matt Holliday® LF
8. Troy Tulowitzki® SS
9. Scott Rolen® 3B

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by Roxman4ever on Jul 12, 2011 11:53 AM MDT reply actions  

batting Tulo 8th? Bochy hates the Rockies...PERIOD

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by Roxman4ever on Jul 12, 2011 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

the thought that Tulo is worse than Weeks, Beltran, and Berkman makes me sick

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by waterboy31321 on Jul 12, 2011 12:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

they've all had better seasons batting than Tulo

i think that might chance in the second half

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by black_knight101 on Jul 12, 2011 12:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

he was below my expectations for the season I guess…I will give him a D+

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by waterboy31321 on Jul 12, 2011 12:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

Has there always been a DH at NL parks? or is this a recent rule with the home field advantage outcome?

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by waterboy31321 on Jul 12, 2011 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

is this something new I guess

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by Roxman4ever on Jul 12, 2011 11:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

oops...THis is something new

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by Roxman4ever on Jul 12, 2011 11:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

I think it started either last year or this year

There will always be a DH regardless of where the game is played

by purplesocks on Jul 12, 2011 11:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

So the NL uses a DH to try and win a game

to determine homefield advantage in a park that doesn’t use the DH. I mean I get it, but come on

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by SDcat09 on Jul 12, 2011 12:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

I mean wasn’t the non DH an advantage to us wouldn’t you think?

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by waterboy31321 on Jul 12, 2011 12:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't get how a guy...

who grew up in an NL town fell in love with NL baseball, and got his team moved to the NL, ends up doing more to destroy the NL as commissioner than any of his predecessors. It’s sad.

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by RdRnnr on Jul 12, 2011 12:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

This will mark the first time ever that a DH will be used in an NL park

Quite a step backwards for humanity if you ask me.

I'm pretty disgusted right now!

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 12, 2011 12:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

The Rise of the AL Zombies has officially begun.

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by Yokel on Jul 12, 2011 12:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

Agree

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by RdRnnr on Jul 12, 2011 12:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

Which is worst?

1.) That MLB has put in a DH at an NL park
2.) That Bochy made Carlos Beltran the DH
3.) That Carlos Beltran is hitting 2nd

by free7694 on Jul 12, 2011 11:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

Pretty equal if you ask me

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by Roxman4ever on Jul 12, 2011 11:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

Its all sucks

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by Roxman4ever on Jul 12, 2011 11:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

I would say Beltran the DH

Can he not use Fielder at DH since the fans voted him 1b? Fielder to DH and Votto to 1B would have been ideal

by purplesocks on Jul 12, 2011 11:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

or Berkman not in the outfield

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by Muzia on Jul 12, 2011 11:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

oh shit, yeah idk how I missed that

Definitely put Berkman at DH and Beltran at RF

by purplesocks on Jul 12, 2011 12:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't play Beltran period.

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by Roxman4ever on Jul 12, 2011 12:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

Beltran is fine. Not using Berkman as the DH is pure stupidity.

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by Muzia on Jul 12, 2011 12:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

this

f Bochy

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by El Paso Jeff on Jul 12, 2011 12:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

REC'D

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by Roxman4ever on Jul 12, 2011 12:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

Beltran is deserving of playing in the all star game

There are more deserving players of starting over him but I don’t know how that is determined. Was he voted in or is this a Bochy move?

by purplesocks on Jul 12, 2011 12:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

Bochy selected him over Cutch

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by Muzia on Jul 12, 2011 12:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

this is another reason why not to like him. He couldn't construct a lineup if he went to a 4 year college for it

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by Roxman4ever on Jul 12, 2011 12:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

hopefully there are pinch hit moves/pinch runners in the 1st inning.

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by waterboy31321 on Jul 12, 2011 12:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

ITS BOCCE BALL not Bochy move

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by Roxman4ever on Jul 12, 2011 12:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

Votto and Fielder in the same lineup. That would make me drool.

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by Roxman4ever on Jul 12, 2011 12:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

#1

There is no need to use a DH. It’s in an NL Park, the NL should get to use it’s own rules.

I'm pretty disgusted right now!

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 12, 2011 12:12 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

IAWTC...REC'D

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by Roxman4ever on Jul 12, 2011 12:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

It's just a way of getting us used to seeing a DH in an NL park

because the DH is a comin’ to all NL parks near you withing 5 years.

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by SDcat09 on Jul 12, 2011 12:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

Then where is Giambi?

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by Roxman4ever on Jul 12, 2011 12:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

Giambi isn't an All Star?

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by SDcat09 on Jul 12, 2011 12:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

No, but he IS a DH in an NL ballpark.

That’s how I read it.

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by RdRnnr on Jul 12, 2011 12:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

Oh I whiffed on that one

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by SDcat09 on Jul 12, 2011 12:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

Probably at a Biebs concert.

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by DAWNMARIE01 on Jul 12, 2011 12:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

Death of baseball.

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by Russ Oates on Jul 12, 2011 12:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm not kidding.

I think it really is a way to start getting the casual baseball fan used to having a DH in the entire MLB.

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by SDcat09 on Jul 12, 2011 12:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

Pitchers

should suck it up, go to the plate and take three strikes.

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by Russ Oates on Jul 12, 2011 12:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

I agree 100%

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by SDcat09 on Jul 12, 2011 12:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

Pitchers should learn to hit.

It’s part of they game they are getting paid to play.

We can argue about whether pitchers earn their pay by playing such a pivotal role on the defensive side of the game, so we can accept weakness on the offensive side. But there isn’t an argument that hitting is not part of the game.

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by RdRnnr on Jul 12, 2011 12:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

I like sarcastic Russ

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Sarcastic Russ is sarcastic.

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by squalene203 on Jul 12, 2011 3:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

I know it just my opinion and this isn't really adding anything to the conversation so sorry

But damn I hate that this exhibition game has any meaning to it whatsoever.

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by dsmba on Jul 12, 2011 12:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm with you

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by SDcat09 on Jul 12, 2011 12:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

Them AL? Whose that? All Stars

1. Curtis Granderson (L) CF
2. Asdrubal Cabrera (S) SS
3. Adrian Gonzalez (L) 1B
4. Jose Bautista® RF
5. Josh Hamilton (L) LF
6. Adrian Beltre® 3B
7. David Ortiz (L) DH
8. Robinson Cano (L) 2B
9. Alex Avila (L) C

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by Roxman4ever on Jul 12, 2011 11:54 AM MDT reply actions  

one thing I am happy to see.

Cabrera starting in the ASG. He should’ve been there before Jeter

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by Roxman4ever on Jul 12, 2011 11:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

Why bat Cano 8th? Put him 2nd or 5th

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by Roxman4ever on Jul 12, 2011 12:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

After the Derby last night...

The AL might want to rest him..Heck, why take any chances with a talent like that in a meaningless game. If the NL ends up winning, nobody cares…

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by RdRnnr on Jul 12, 2011 12:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

Cabrera def deserves it.
Cano should switch with cabrera

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by waterboy31321 on Jul 12, 2011 12:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

Soo lets see

Halladay pitches first 2 innings, going 1,2,3

Then bring in Lee to go Against Papi, Cano, and Avila

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by waterboy31321 on Jul 12, 2011 12:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'd give Lee two innings as well

since there’s another run of lefties at the top of the order, and Cabrera is worse hitting from the R than the L

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by black_knight101 on Jul 12, 2011 12:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

and so we can use the Phillies up in a meangingless game…hell make Hallladay and Lee pitch the whole thing

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by waterboy31321 on Jul 12, 2011 12:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

fine by me

though I would prefer the Giants pitchers to get used up

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by black_knight101 on Jul 12, 2011 12:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

2nd that

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by waterboy31321 on Jul 12, 2011 1:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

So we should cheer for extra innings, I guess.

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by glaucophane on Jul 12, 2011 1:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

Here's a question

When was the last time the Rockies had a player start the all-star game in back-to-back years?

by free7694 on Jul 12, 2011 12:10 PM MDT reply actions  

2002-2003

Helton started both times.

I'm pretty disgusted right now!

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 12, 2011 12:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

To those people who decided to use the DH in an NL park, collectively are a bunch of

minus the ump

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by Roxman4ever on Jul 12, 2011 12:22 PM MDT reply actions  

Tim Wheeler just hit his second HR of the day

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by Muzia on Jul 12, 2011 12:28 PM MDT reply actions  

is he going to get promoted sometime soon?

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by waterboy31321 on Jul 12, 2011 12:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

almost 30% K rate against lefties. Not acceptable.

Defense is also not MLB ready

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by Muzia on Jul 12, 2011 12:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

What are you basing the defensive evaluation on

He wouldn’t play CF at Coors, ovbi.

Blackmon doesn’t have enough power to get the ball in the gap but strikes out 7 percent of the time. I’ll take Wheeler thanks.

So what if he’s overmatched by lefties at first?

So was Hawpe. So was Smith. Protect him at first and slowly work him in based on match-ups. He’d learn more from Todd than any hitting coach.

by rururuland784 on Jul 12, 2011 12:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

Since when does a team with hopes of contention bring up a 23 year old outfielder to baby him?

Why would the Rockies do that? The only way he’ll get better is by playing against quality lefties, like the kind he’ll see in AA. He’s shown improvement already, so what’s the big rush in calling him up?

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by Muzia on Jul 12, 2011 12:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

Multiple scouting reports, including David Ohno who lives in Tulsa and has been watching Wheeler.

If OhNo says he’s not defensively ready, I believe him.

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by Muzia on Jul 12, 2011 12:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

OhNo is quite good

SO, I would take his word for it I suppose.

We “babied” Hawpe, Smith and for a time Holliday and Gonzalez. Seems to have worked well. The kid is having arguably the best season for a position player in the organization’s history (at the AA level).

Seems like a power bat who can do other things decently could be just the spark the team needs.

Seems like he’s gone well above what anyoine could have asked — and he was pretty well thought of before the 24 dongs.

by rururuland784 on Jul 12, 2011 12:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

Right, I'm suggesting a similar approach

to how we developed the other 4 guys, without the nonsense stop at the Springs.

by rururuland784 on Jul 12, 2011 1:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

He'll be given a chance to compete for a roster spot next year

and a cup of coffee this September. What else can we really expect?

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by Muzia on Jul 12, 2011 1:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well, things are changing because

of the way Dex is playing. But, I’m not a big believer that a guy has to be completely polished to deserve a call-up. Not when he has the tool set of Wheeler. Especially when his primary flaw can be protected and developed incrementally.

Over-exposing him to LHP at any level could hurt his confidence as well, if that;’s the argument.

by rururuland784 on Jul 12, 2011 1:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

How many platoon-type players do we need on this roster?

He’s a left handed outfield bat that struggles against LHP. We happen to have a few of those currently on the team.

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by Muzia on Jul 12, 2011 1:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

Tracy would probably play him against lefties though

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by waterboy31321 on Jul 12, 2011 1:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

I see nothing wrong with having platoon players

At 3 positions.

Left, right and 3B.

We just need that power rh bat.

by rururuland784 on Jul 12, 2011 1:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

too bad Arenado is still a couple of years away

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by Muzia on Jul 12, 2011 1:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

really ’14 you think?

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by waterboy31321 on Jul 12, 2011 1:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

as a starter? 2013 at the earliest

I can see him being considered for a September callup in 2012, maybe

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by Muzia on Jul 12, 2011 1:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

But this is all new, and completely outside his historic levels.

Why rush him? If he continues to improve his game, we’re all the better for it. He won’t learn anything at AAA right now and will be overwhelmed in MLB.

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by Muzia on Jul 12, 2011 1:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

Right

You’re not suggesting 24 home runs in 90 games is a complete fluke?

Most saw that power potential was there, and of he ever tapped into it he’d be pretty special.

I think he can learn all he needs at the major league level.

by rururuland784 on Jul 12, 2011 1:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think it's beyond fluke at this point. The power is legit.

But it’s brand new. How about giving him the rest of the season in Tulsa to continue refining his game, and then give him a shot next spring at a roster spot?

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by Muzia on Jul 12, 2011 1:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

I understand what you're saying

But what do we do if Dex starts to play really well ( and his new hand positioning suggest he could go one tear)?

I suppose 5 good to very, very good outfielders under 30 isn;t the worst problem to have.

Who do you choose for the 2 spots after CarGO?

by rururuland784 on Jul 12, 2011 1:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

We have options

Spilly will be gone sooner rather than later.

Blackmon, Wheeler (maybe), Fowler, Smith are all legit candidates next season.

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by Muzia on Jul 12, 2011 1:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

Right, that's what I'm saying

You want to determine the 2 starters during spring training next year?

by rururuland784 on Jul 12, 2011 1:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

Smith is basically pencilled it at this point.

Dex will likely be given another shot, if he’s still in the organization.

The rest of the young guys will have to earn their spot on the roster.

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by Muzia on Jul 12, 2011 1:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

I suppose that's fair

But I think Dex has something for us, though I’m not sure you want a low-power guy at a corner outfield spot.

I’d like to see Dex and Blackmon moved.

by rururuland784 on Jul 12, 2011 1:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

Intrigued

Possible return on a Smith type would be?

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by dsmba on Jul 12, 2011 1:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

We've had this conversation on PR before, many were against trading Seth.

Pretty solid return, not the greatest obviously because he’s mostly a platoon OF.

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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 12, 2011 1:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

No

He’s finally getting the appropriate amount of at-bats needed to develop.

Hawpe started out his career with huge splits as well.

by rururuland784 on Jul 12, 2011 1:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

He's only gotten LH starts the last couple months

He’s career splits are based on a late of late inning match-ups against specialists.

by rururuland784 on Jul 12, 2011 1:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

Is it?

I’m not sure about that.

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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 12, 2011 1:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hawpe was a guy

that developed against LHP after getting at bats. Smith has better bat-speed and shown some solid improvement now that’s he’s getting a few starts against LHP.

by rururuland784 on Jul 12, 2011 1:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

his numbers are down since the last week when I posted them but that is probably because he had 1 bad game

his numbers against LH starters: 265/333/382/.716 with a sOPS+ of 103

7 games started 39 PAs

Career: .232/.328/.411/.738 with 19 GS and 177 PAs

by purplesocks on Jul 12, 2011 1:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

Those are decent enough

Hate to say this again but check out Hawpe’s LHP splits in his first 200 LHP plate appearances aty MLB, and then look at it in his next 400 PA.

by rururuland784 on Jul 12, 2011 1:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

I realize most were against

I am just not sure what type of return the Rockies can expect.

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by dsmba on Jul 12, 2011 1:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

You think it'd be a sell-high thing

Simple, compact swing. Bat speed should be there for some time. This is not a Hawpe deal.

I think Smith can get even better as a hitter and be a 870-950 OPS guy for 3-4 years with average defense.

by rururuland784 on Jul 12, 2011 1:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

as the big Seth Smith guy around here, I could get behind this if we can get a great return and if Dex can step up his game

I don’t see Smith taking a Atkinsesque fall skill wise though so its not a must trade this offseason

by purplesocks on Jul 12, 2011 1:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

I dont believe it either

I’m saying that in order to trade Smith we would have to see a big step up from Dex

by purplesocks on Jul 12, 2011 1:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

Dex is key.

He really needs to be the Rox starting CF at this point.

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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 12, 2011 1:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

But see

If you have a power bat that can play a good center field, you’re getting marginal returns if you play the no-power bat at the corner spots. We have the two power bats— Wheeler and Smith. We need one more RH compliment.

by rururuland784 on Jul 12, 2011 1:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

Someone is likely trade bait

far too many lefty outfielders that are near MLB ready

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by Muzia on Jul 12, 2011 1:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don’t hate it.

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by Muzia on Jul 12, 2011 1:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

He barely has any service time and is cost controlled for many years. Why would we sell before discovering what kind of player he could become? It seems like a poor guaranteed return on investment.

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by Muzia on Jul 12, 2011 1:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

agreed

I don’t expect Seth to fall off a cliff anytime soon

by Rosenort on Jul 12, 2011 1:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

I understand that POV

Which is why his trade value should be higher than what it is.

by rururuland784 on Jul 12, 2011 1:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm always on the fence about

the This-Guy-Is-Good-Trade-Him-Quick approach. This is probably because I’ve been following the Pirates for years.

by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 12, 2011 1:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

D-Backs thought the same about CarGo

I’m not saying Blackmon has the same ceiling, but I certainly haven’t seen anything that makes me think he’s a bust in the making that should be moved before anybody figures out he’s all a mirage…

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 12, 2011 1:26 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

31.58% K/PA against lefties. Unacceptable.

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by Muzia on Jul 12, 2011 12:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

I bet if the Lefty threw a slider that it probably hovered around 95%

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by waterboy31321 on Jul 12, 2011 1:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

in Tulsa?

19.8% vs LHP
19.6% vs RHP

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by Muzia on Jul 12, 2011 1:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

wow

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by waterboy31321 on Jul 12, 2011 1:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

And yet, he didn't come close to the kind of season

Wheeler is having.

I think K rate is being overemphasized because we’re talking about a real power hitter.

by rururuland784 on Jul 12, 2011 1:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

Limited sample size against LHP though.

121 PA against LHP
525 PA against RHP

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by Muzia on Jul 12, 2011 1:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

no RHP in that league or what?

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by waterboy31321 on Jul 12, 2011 1:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

a bit, maybe

actually, 404 PA against RHP.

525 total PA. That’s a full season right there

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by Muzia on Jul 12, 2011 1:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

Here’s his full minor splits

Seems to be an average of 120 PA per season against LHP

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by Muzia on Jul 12, 2011 1:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

They didn't

Stewart was actually better against lefties than righties in both 07 and 08

I'm pretty disgusted right now!

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 12, 2011 1:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

yeah Stew is not the greatest example.

he might be a little worse against LHP, but its not a HUGE difference.

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by black_knight101 on Jul 12, 2011 2:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

like 10% of pitchers are left-handed

not an issue

the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox

if it's not tracy's fault, it's not not tracy's fault, either

by papality on Jul 12, 2011 4:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

Agree with the 'Pile.

Makes me sad though :(

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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 12, 2011 12:38 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

haha thought the same thing…well that was simple

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by waterboy31321 on Jul 12, 2011 1:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't think the 'Pile agrees with the 'Pile.

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by Justus on Jul 12, 2011 2:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

but what does Jim Neighbors think?

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by hotdoglady on Jul 12, 2011 2:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

Who is Jim Neighbors?

It sounds like a good name for an indie band.

by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 12, 2011 2:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

youngster

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by DAWNMARIE01 on Jul 12, 2011 2:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

I know Jim Nabors.

I was wondering if there were someone else with the other name, which, as I said, would be a good name for an indie band.

by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 12, 2011 3:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

Jim Naybors

had his name wrong.

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by hotdoglady on Jul 12, 2011 2:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

Actually

Jim Nabors – if we’re talking about the guy who played Gomer Pile

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by DAWNMARIE01 on Jul 12, 2011 2:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

which would actually be spelled Gomer Pyle

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by DAWNMARIE01 on Jul 12, 2011 2:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

g-o-l-l-y!

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by DAWNMARIE01 on Jul 12, 2011 2:35 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

between the spelling issues

and not knowing who Jim Nabors is…

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by hotdoglady on Jul 12, 2011 2:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

The offense isn't reaching my expectations

I give it a D+

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by Junction Rox on Jul 12, 2011 4:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

your expectations are offensively high

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by DAWNMARIE01 on Jul 12, 2011 4:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

My expectations aren't meeting my expectations

they get a C-

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by Junction Rox on Jul 12, 2011 4:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

my expectations are Great.

but if you were like me, and you write about your great expectations, you get a C-.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Jul 12, 2011 4:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm reccin' this

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by Junction Rox on Jul 12, 2011 4:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

me too

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by prettyinpurple on Jul 12, 2011 4:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hard Times.

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by Muzia on Jul 12, 2011 4:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

God Bless it.

And yes I assume that is who we were talking about.

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by hotdoglady on Jul 12, 2011 2:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

He went back hooooooooooooooooooooome

to Indie-ana.

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by Mondogarage on Jul 12, 2011 3:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm rec'ing this for its simplicity

and its effectiveness compared to the rest of the thread.

by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 12, 2011 1:12 PM MDT reply actions  

OT: wow netflix is raising their prices by 60%

1 dvd and unlimited streaming will now 15.98 a month.

Talk about price gouging once Blockbuster went down

Story

by purplesocks on Jul 12, 2011 2:04 PM MDT reply actions  

I guess it makes sense to me to have separate plans.

The pricing for these plans is debatable, I guess, but I don’t really see it as outrageous.

by holly96 on Jul 12, 2011 2:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

It's going to make me drop my blu-ray plan, that's for sure.

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by Muzia on Jul 12, 2011 2:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

Since I got unlimited streaming I have had the same DVD for about 4 months…I can understand why they would want to separate them.

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by hotdoglady on Jul 12, 2011 2:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

I've had the same DVD for longer than that.

I’ll have to think about what I want to do, since not everything I want to see is available to stream. But I haven’t switched DVDs by now, I probably don’t need them at all.

by holly96 on Jul 12, 2011 2:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

I once kept one for over a year :(

I just put mine on hold last week. Think I might end up cancelling.

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by DAWNMARIE01 on Jul 12, 2011 2:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

True story.

The one I have now I’ve had for longer than a year. Still haven’t watched it.

by holly96 on Jul 12, 2011 2:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

I've had Ironman 2 for about 8 months

I might cancel the Blu-Ray/DVD part of my plan and just go to unlimited streaming.

If I really want to watch a disc, there’s always RedBox…

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by Junction Rox on Jul 12, 2011 4:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

They already had options where you could get only DVD or only streaming

This move is completely price related and 60% increase is crazy high

by purplesocks on Jul 12, 2011 2:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

That is high.

But I have a hard time judging without knowing the economics behind it on their end.

by holly96 on Jul 12, 2011 2:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

Actually I think this a good thing.

It will give them a lot more capital to provide more shows/movies for streaming.

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by hotdoglady on Jul 12, 2011 2:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

I wonder if this has anything to do with their

dispute with Sony.

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by SDcat09 on Jul 12, 2011 2:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

If that happens, I'm all for it.

They don’t add new (good) movies for streaming often enough for me. I run out of stuff I want to watch.

by holly96 on Jul 12, 2011 2:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

The movie?

Yeah, I’m planning on watching that (haven’t yet). But every time I think of it, I want something shorter.

by holly96 on Jul 12, 2011 2:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

no the shows.

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by hotdoglady on Jul 12, 2011 2:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

That's been out there for at least a month

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by SDcat09 on Jul 12, 2011 2:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

theres no doubt that they probably need to raise prices, they have been aquiring new streaming content that looks amazing

and I would be fine with a 30% price increase to 12.99 but 60%? thats craziness. They are opening into 43 new countries so they will be getting new subscribers and revenue from that.

It just seems to me that the price increase came very quickly after the bankruptcy of BlockBuster who was their biggest competitor

by purplesocks on Jul 12, 2011 2:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

But it is also a price

decrease for people who just have a streaming plan. Once I drop the dvd half I will be paying less each month.

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by hotdoglady on Jul 12, 2011 2:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

didn't they have a streaming only option?

i just signed up a month ago when my roomate who had it moved out and I could have sworn they had a streaming only plan and a dvd only plan then too

by purplesocks on Jul 12, 2011 2:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

Streaming only is a recent addition

within the last year or so

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by Muzia on Jul 12, 2011 2:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

I expect they are going to see a huge drop in customers.

I will cancel mine as of Sept 1 if not before

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by SDcat09 on Jul 12, 2011 2:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

But you could still get one or the other for the same price.

I suppose if you use an equal mix of both, that would be different.

by holly96 on Jul 12, 2011 2:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

WHAT? When is this happening?

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by SDcat09 on Jul 12, 2011 2:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

Sept. 1

for those already in. Immediately for new customers.

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by Russ Oates on Jul 12, 2011 2:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well I'm glad I signed up

last month. Everyone out of the pool!

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by SDcat09 on Jul 12, 2011 2:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

THIS

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by SDcat09 on Jul 12, 2011 2:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

Blockbuster may be down, but my employer (Dish Network) bought them -- and they're most certainly not out.

Especially in streaming.

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by Jeff Aberle on Jul 12, 2011 7:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

Mortensen's grade is a bit low

there really weren’t expectations on him and his role is not a glamorous one, but several times this season he’s saved our bullpen from being burned up in a bad situation by going out and eating innings while keeping his own pitch count and the score reasonable. He’s also put in a couple of good spot starts. He’s eaten nearly 60 innings now with a 3.86 ERA, which is certainly more than I would have expected of him. I’m not saying Mortensen is the savior for our team but he’s a guy who’s done his job well and should be given credit for it. At least a B/B+

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by RoarFrom112 on Jul 12, 2011 2:33 PM MDT reply actions  

Agreed.

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by Yokel on Jul 12, 2011 2:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

Two points

1 – Y’all are crazy.
2 – Purple Row recently interviewed a pretty significant person. It’ll be posted within the next few days.

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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Jul 12, 2011 2:44 PM MDT reply actions  

was it PHLP?

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by hotdoglady on Jul 12, 2011 2:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

Probably his conquest

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by SDcat09 on Jul 12, 2011 2:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

/herpes

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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Jul 12, 2011 2:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

Personally, I'm offended.

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by DAWNMARIE01 on Jul 12, 2011 2:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm part of the mafia.

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by hotdoglady on Jul 12, 2011 2:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

My head is now spinning

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by Muzia on Jul 12, 2011 2:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

Which one?

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by Yokel on Jul 12, 2011 2:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

the hot-dog-mafia

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by DAWNMARIE01 on Jul 12, 2011 2:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

several.

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by hotdoglady on Jul 12, 2011 2:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

The Maria Mafia

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by SDcat09 on Jul 12, 2011 2:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

isn't he the head hipster-mobster?

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by DAWNMARIE01 on Jul 12, 2011 2:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

All I know is that

Mobs Rule

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by SDcat09 on Jul 12, 2011 2:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yes.

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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Jul 12, 2011 3:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

So a mipster or a hobster?

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by SDcat09 on Jul 12, 2011 3:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

better than a LOBster

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by DAWNMARIE01 on Jul 12, 2011 3:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ain't that the truth.

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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Jul 12, 2011 3:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

That's for sure!

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by SDcat09 on Jul 12, 2011 3:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

or The Messiah?

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by DAWNMARIE01 on Jul 12, 2011 2:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

Awesome!

This site rocks.

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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 12, 2011 2:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

Awesomeness.

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by prettyinpurple on Jul 12, 2011 3:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

You're welcome :p

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by Jeff Aberle on Jul 12, 2011 7:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

Also, Betancourt is no C-

The guy’s lost the role he was brought here to do, his WHIP, HR/9, and ERA are all up considerably over the past two years with the Rockies (WHIP and HR/9 being especially troubling for a Betancourt’s style of pitching) His job is to get through the 8th inning while preserving a lead and for a good part of the season he just hasn’t done that. Thankfully, Lindstrom has more than picked him up but if not for Lindstrom I suspect people would be a bit more openly critical of Betancourt. I hope he’s able to figure it out and get back to the guy he was for the past two years who throws strikes, doesn’t give up the long ball, and gets us through the 8th inning but so far it’s been troubling.

I’d say D- at best.

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by RoarFrom112 on Jul 12, 2011 2:46 PM MDT reply actions  

That's just silly

RafBet is third in the entire National League in holds.

Unquestionably he hasn’t pitched as well as in 2010, but to say he’s a D- is ludicrous.

If his job is, in fact, to “get through the 8th inning while preserving a lead and for a good part of the season”…well, according to the 2011 NL leaders in holds, he has done so, for the most part, and not the other way around.

/selective memory

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by Mondogarage on Jul 12, 2011 3:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

Interesting

Since the data says two different things, I went and looked at his game-by-game log on baseball reference to see whether it differed from my memory. In short, I think I was a bit harsh on him. For the benefit of anyone else who was also harsh on him:

In his first 20 appearances (through May 20th) he appeared 19 times in a typical 8th inning situation and came away with 19 holds, gave up 3 HR (2 in games where he got the hold anyhow, and one where he recorded a blown save), 4 BB, 19 hits, and posted a 3.79 ERA.

In the space of 2 weeks he recorded 3 blown saves (May 6, May 14, May 20). This is the point according to my selective memory where he stopped being effective.

Since then, he’s appeared 19 times, but only 9 of those in the typical 8th inning situation. He’s recorded 5 holds, given up 3 HR (exactly the same as before, but 1 with a hold despite the HR and 2 in what were already losing efforts), 3 BB (same as before), 20 hits (same as before) though his ERA went up noticeably to 4.84.

So it looks like except for those couple of weeks in mid-may he’s actually been pretty decent, though there’s a noticable increase in ERA. He has given up more HR/9 than before in his career but it’s only really hurt him once. Maybe he’s not being used in the 8th inning hold situation as much lately because the Rockies haven’t had the lead in the 8th inning all that much :-(

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by RoarFrom112 on Jul 12, 2011 3:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

*should be 12 holds through 5/20, not 19

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by RoarFrom112 on Jul 12, 2011 3:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think a C+ would be entirely appropriate here

I mean, he has actually lost the role we expected him to play, but most of his worst outings have not, in fact, turned wins into losses.

And as you allude to in the last paragraph, maybe if the Rox led more games in the 8th, you’d still see him more in the 8th (though to be fair, I think you’re more likely to see Lindstrom/Reynolds instead).

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by Mondogarage on Jul 12, 2011 3:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

but if he lost the role we expected him to play, doesnt that mean that he has performed below expectations?

If we’re going off of Fish’s scale, that would mean a D to D+ are perfectly acceptable grades for Raff

by purplesocks on Jul 12, 2011 4:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

Makes sense to me...

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by Junction Rox on Jul 12, 2011 4:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

He's no longer in that role, but looking at those numbers...

….he didn’t really pitch himself out of that role.

Again, third in the entire National League in holds. He’s had a handful of rough appearances, but almost none of those were actually in game situations when he was brought in to be a bridge to the closer.

So really, the problem is with expectations. Because the reality does not match.

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by Mondogarage on Jul 12, 2011 4:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

And Mariano Rivera has 4 blown saves.

Betancourt is rough-riding the 90% successful hold line (e.g., one less blown save he’s well over 90%).

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by Mondogarage on Jul 12, 2011 4:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

he's also got 13 shutdowns to 6 meltdowns

hardly elite

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by papality on Jul 12, 2011 4:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

I was responding to this statement
He’s had a handful of rough appearances, but almost none of those were actually in game situations when he was brought in to be a bridge to the closer

when in reality he has 3 blown saves (or in Bets case it really should be called blown Holds) halfway through the season when his previous 7 seasons hes had no more than 4 total.

And Mariano Rivera’s stats don’t have any relevance when discussing how Betancourt has lived up to expectations

by purplesocks on Jul 12, 2011 4:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm just saying this...

…if RafBet’s blown less saves than Mariano Rivera, then it would seem your expectations of him are unreasonably high.

Furthermore, 3 is exactly 1 higher than 2, and 2 is exactly how many you’d expect him to have 1/2 through the season.

So he’s blown 1 extra hold than what would be reasonably expected. That’s a D+ grade? Really?

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by Mondogarage on Jul 12, 2011 4:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

It could also say that other teams in the NL are going 8th inning by committee

I don’t know exactly what that one stat says, which is why I took a deeper look. He hasn’t been as bad as I first thought, but he has been worse than I expected (a solid 8th inning guy who’s rarely going to allow a multi-run inning and will blow 3-4 games in a whole season, which is what we got last year)

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by RoarFrom112 on Jul 12, 2011 4:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

So what you're really saying is..

…if he meets your expectations, it’s an A grade, and if not, a D grade. Because there doesn’t seem to be anywhere in between. They either meet your expectations or not.

I find the whole exercise silly, frankly.

He’s pitched to a solid C this season. If someone’s expectation is that he’s actually “well, good enough to be a closer, but he’s our 8th inning guy”, that’s clearly a problem with expectations and not the pitcher himself. Unless what you’re really saying is that no reliever should ever be expected to blow more than 3-4 leads an entire season.

Because really, that’s what is expected of closers, and set up guys aren’t expected to be as good as closers, otherwise they’d be…well…closers.

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by Mondogarage on Jul 12, 2011 4:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

We're going off of Andrew Fisher's scale from the Rockpile

if they meet our expectations its a C, if they exceed its a B, greatly succeed A and then the same in the opposite direction

by purplesocks on Jul 12, 2011 4:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

Okay, then see above

RafBet’s blown exactly one more hold than he would be reasonably expected to blow by now. One.

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by Mondogarage on Jul 12, 2011 4:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

This is where looking at a stat like holds, wins, or losses gets you into trouble

He’s pitched badly enough to earn a BS 6 times this year. That 3 of them came in situations that didn’t qualify for a BS because he lost the confidence of his manager isn’t exactly a credit to Betancourt’s pitching. Holds are useful as a first indication, not an end-all-be-all stat.

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by RoarFrom112 on Jul 12, 2011 4:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

And Bets has regressed in every major pitching stat from last year

ERA, FIP, xFIP, K%, BB%, HR%, tERA, ERA+

Its perfectly reasonable to say that Bets has not lived up to our expectations. No one here is calling to DFA him

The fact is, this year I am nervous when Bets is pitching (I’m the same way with Street despite his save%) and last year I wasn’t. I didn’t expect that to be the case going into the season

by purplesocks on Jul 12, 2011 4:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

That's a fair comment

But still, if that it pitching to a D+ on your expectations, then I still submit your expectations were too high. He’s aging, he was overworked last year, and he was due for regression.

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by Mondogarage on Jul 12, 2011 4:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think I've been pretty clear about it, really

I started the thread saying he’d been much worse than expectations (D- at best). You pointed out the hold stat, and made me question my assessment. I looked into it and found out that while he wasn’t as bad as I initially thought he was still worse than my expectations (probably a solid D, maybe even the C- ATF gave him, but not a C+ since that would be slightly over expectations).

My expectations are that he’d have a year pretty much like his past two with the Rockies. That would be an 8th inning guy who is just about good enough to be a closer but doesn’t have the secondary pitches.

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by RoarFrom112 on Jul 12, 2011 4:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well, three times he definitely did turn wins into losses

and at least three other times he pitched badly enough to turn wins into losses but was either pulled before further damage could be done (6/21) or it was already a losing effort (6/25, 7/6). I don’t expect perfection but 6 bad outings in 39 appearances isn’t what I expected of him.

I think you’re right that we’ll see more of Lindstrom/Reynolds in that role going forward, but that’s not a good thing because it kind of leaves RefBet without a clear role and weakens the pen overall because then Lindstrom/Reynolds aren’t available for other situations (like facing the heart of the order in the 7th)

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by RoarFrom112 on Jul 12, 2011 4:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

Sorry to hear that.

Let’s hope our guy represents the Rox well.

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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Jul 12, 2011 2:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

I hope your day gets better!

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by SDcat09 on Jul 12, 2011 3:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

All work and no baseball makes Purple Row something something.

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by Yokel on Jul 12, 2011 2:48 PM MDT reply actions  

batshit crazy?

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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Jul 12, 2011 2:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

DON'T MIND IF I DO!

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by hotdoglady on Jul 12, 2011 2:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

You act like this is a new thing.

I’m outraged

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by SDcat09 on Jul 12, 2011 2:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

I was disappointed

at which weiners were being reviewed. Go BEER!

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by SDcat09 on Jul 12, 2011 2:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

Isn't it spelled "wiener"?

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by Muzia on Jul 12, 2011 2:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

it goes both ways.

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by hotdoglady on Jul 12, 2011 2:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

Prove it.

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by Muzia on Jul 12, 2011 2:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

Terrific.

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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Jul 12, 2011 3:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

depends on the size of the weiner/wiener

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by DAWNMARIE01 on Jul 12, 2011 3:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

I refuse to get into a semantic

argument over weiner/wiener.

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by hotdoglady on Jul 12, 2011 3:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

that's a rec

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by Muzia on Jul 12, 2011 3:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

make it two.

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by hotdoglady on Jul 12, 2011 3:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

greened

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by DAWNMARIE01 on Jul 12, 2011 3:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

That's what the former representative said

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by SDcat09 on Jul 12, 2011 3:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

That was a fascinating trip through merriam-webster.com and wikipedia

which I never would have taken had it not been for PR…

Thanks, Maria!

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by RoarFrom112 on Jul 12, 2011 3:08 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

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by hotdoglady on Jul 12, 2011 3:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

.

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by Muzia on Jul 12, 2011 3:10 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Though, now that I think of it...

reading a baseball blog has caused me to look up the etymology of the words “rape” and “wiener” in the same afternoon. That’s not quite right…

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by RoarFrom112 on Jul 12, 2011 3:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

ITs having fun with that one.

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by Yokel on Jul 12, 2011 3:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

The joys of working from home and being my own IT...

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by RoarFrom112 on Jul 12, 2011 3:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

.

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by Muzia on Jul 12, 2011 3:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

totally worth the wait.

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by hotdoglady on Jul 12, 2011 3:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

It's the All Star break.

Most baseball blogs are thinking this is a slow day. It’s perhaps a time for calm reflection, and a few forward-thinking comments. There was no game yesterday nor today, so traffic might be a little off.

Not on PR.

by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 12, 2011 4:31 PM MDT reply actions  

Calm reflection is not to be found here.

I’d give Purple Row a D+ today with regard to it’s ability to meet my expectations.

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by Mondogarage on Jul 12, 2011 4:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

I give it an even C.

Tomorrow will be madness though.

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by prettyinpurple on Jul 12, 2011 4:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

Now that's a forward-thinking comment...

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by Junction Rox on Jul 12, 2011 4:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

Seriously, this place gets less and less interesting and informative...

….and more “I have a particular ax to grind, so I’mma gonna write about that ax from the 8th different angle today”.

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by Mondogarage on Jul 12, 2011 4:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

That's what happens when your team sucks and no one has yet accepted the fact.

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by Muzia on Jul 12, 2011 4:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

denver has other sports teams?

the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox

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by papality on Jul 12, 2011 4:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

There are a few....

Indycar
Formula One
Sports prototype racing
Short track stock cars

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by Mondogarage on Jul 12, 2011 4:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

competitive eating.

and i’m proud to be an american…..

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by frightened inmate #2 on Jul 12, 2011 4:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

and i won't forget the steers that died

to bring this weiner to me

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by frightened inmate #2 on Jul 12, 2011 4:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

Just watch, next year, they'll be using Old Glory as a bib.

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by Mondogarage on Jul 12, 2011 4:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

gotta give that one a solid C- it met or exceeded my expectations

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by DAWNMARIE01 on Jul 12, 2011 4:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

Watching things go around in circles.

/purple row’d

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by SDcat09 on Jul 12, 2011 4:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

LeMans is not a circle.

Just sayin’.

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by Mondogarage on Jul 12, 2011 4:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

but they do repeat the laps do they not?

But go ahead be my joke killer. I’ll wait.

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by SDcat09 on Jul 12, 2011 4:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yes, they repeat laps

Kinda the same way Jose Bautista laps the bases in the exact same order and direction every time.

LeMans is 8.4835 miles, or about six-tenths of a Nurburgring.

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by Mondogarage on Jul 12, 2011 4:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

again go ahead be all serious in the fun part of the RP

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by SDcat09 on Jul 12, 2011 4:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

This is the fun part of the RP?

If this is what passes for “the fun part of the RP”, then I’d have to lower my rating to a D, because I expected more fun.

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by Mondogarage on Jul 12, 2011 4:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

Very little of this RP has been fun, sadly.

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by Muzia on Jul 12, 2011 4:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

well, maybe this

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by Muzia on Jul 12, 2011 4:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

Okay, that was fun

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by Mondogarage on Jul 12, 2011 4:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

but you crossed the streams and got this instead

Don’t cross the streams

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by Mondogarage on Jul 12, 2011 5:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

In more fun news, looks like we got a fillin drummer so UMS may be back on

Nathan from Pseudo Dates and Fingers of the Sun is gonna give it a go.

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by Mondogarage on Jul 12, 2011 4:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

LeMans....is he in the tour de france this year?

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by frightened inmate #2 on Jul 12, 2011 4:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

busted for doping

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by papality on Jul 12, 2011 4:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

no, that's LeMazeltof

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by Mondogarage on Jul 12, 2011 4:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

poker is big these days i hear

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by papality on Jul 12, 2011 4:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hahah...not anymore

/UIGEA’d!

/FullTilted!

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by Mondogarage on Jul 12, 2011 4:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

There's this hockee thing...

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by Muzia on Jul 12, 2011 4:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

(something about Kronk-farts)

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by frightened inmate #2 on Jul 12, 2011 4:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

Only one of the Kronks farts

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by SDcat09 on Jul 12, 2011 4:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

The other one doesn't give a fart?

We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!

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by Junction Rox on Jul 12, 2011 5:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

No, he's too cheep to give a fartz

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by Mondogarage on Jul 12, 2011 5:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'd rather not think of Josh Kronke farting

Would ruin my nice thought of him. He is a handsome man

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by SDcat09 on Jul 12, 2011 5:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

Collectively we're mediocre

That statement can apply to the Rox and the blog this year.

Of course, you don’t see me raising my hand to take one of those high-paying writing jobs, either.

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by Mondogarage on Jul 12, 2011 4:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

at least the writing staff have maintained their integrity though

That’s a plus around here.

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by Muzia on Jul 12, 2011 4:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yup

And they’re consistent!

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by Mondogarage on Jul 12, 2011 4:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

There's still a lot of informative stuff.

Today was just odd. This Rockpile already has more comments than the last four or five combined.

by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 12, 2011 4:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

We've all done this at times.

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by SDcat09 on Jul 12, 2011 4:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Does anyone know what time actual first pitch is supposed to be?

I drove in to work today, so I’m trying to figure out when to leave (I do have the DVR set, just don’t want to be too far behind).

by holly96 on Jul 12, 2011 5:00 PM MDT reply actions  

It says 5 PM PT. But probably a little later than that

Rep. Giffords is throwing out the first pitch so that will be probably be shown

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by SDcat09 on Jul 12, 2011 5:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

The broadcast starts at 6PM MDT

based on past all-star games, I’d expect first pitch to be about 45 minutes after that.

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by RoarFrom112 on Jul 12, 2011 5:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

That's about what I was figuring, what with National Anthem, intros, first pitch, etc.

I should be able to hear some of that on the radio as I’m driving, and can go back and watch any of it later.

by holly96 on Jul 12, 2011 5:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

Oh, and the flyover inside the stadium, too.

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by Mondogarage on Jul 12, 2011 5:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

Someone will throw a paper airplane. It'll land in the pool and get all soggy.

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by RoarFrom112 on Jul 12, 2011 5:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

and a fan will fall over the railing and into the pool trying to catch the airplane

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by Mondogarage on Jul 12, 2011 5:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

man, these threads are a lot less fun

without baseball games…

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by pacified on Jul 12, 2011 5:14 PM MDT reply actions  

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  1. Drew Pomeranz, LHP - AAA
  2. Nolan Arenado, 3B - AA
  3. Wilin Rosario, C - MLB
  4. Chad Bettis, RHP - AA DL
  5. Tyler Matzek, A (Adv)
  6. Alex White, MLB
  7. Kyle Parker, OF - A (Adv)
  8. Tim Wheeler, OF - AAA DL
  9. Josh Rutledge, SS - AA
  10. Charlie Blackmon, OF - AAA DL
  11. Rosell Herrera, SS/3B - A
  12. Trevor Story, SS/3B - A
  13. Edwar Cabrera, LHP - AA
  14. Tyler Anderson, LHP - A
  15. Rafael Ortega, OF - A (Adv)
  16. Peter Tago, RHP, unassigned
  17. Christian Friedrich, LHP - MLB
  18. Joe Gardner, RHP - AA
  19. Corey Dickerson, OF - A (Adv)
  20. Thomas Field, 2B - AAA
  21. Will Swanner, C - A
  22. Kent Matthes, OF - AA
  23. Albert Campos, RHP - released (4/19/12)
  24. Jordan Pacheco, C/UT - MLB
  25. Cristhian Adames, SS - A (Adv)
  26. Ben Paulsen, 1B - AA
  27. Josh Slaats, RHP - A (Adv)
  28. David Kandilas, CF - A
  29. Jayson Aquino, LHP - unassigned
  30. Hector Gomez, SS - DL
HM:
Edgmer Escalona, RHP - MLB
Dillon Thomas, OF - unassigned
Sam Mende, IF - A
Mike Zuanich, 1B - AA
Dan Houston, RHP - AA

updated 10/25/2011.


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