Friday Rockpile: Is Ubaldo Really Back?
by Andrew Martin on Jul 15, 2011 7:30 AM MDT
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PrintDuring the 2009 season, Jose Contreras was traded to the Colorado Rockies in exchange for Brandon Hynick (who I might add hasn't really done anything noteworthy since joining the White Sox, and has apparently signed on with the Reds) in an effort to shore up a rotation that had taken a hit. Contreras, as many people know, throws a split-finger fastball that tends to turn stomachs when demonstrated. While Contreras was with the Rockies, Ubaldo Jimenez saw the splitter, thought "gee, that's a neat pitch", learned it, and made it a disgusting addition to his repertoire.
Everything went right for Ubaldo in 2010. He posted the lowest full season ERA in team history (with a nod to Marvin Freeman). He started the All Star game. He finished 3rd in Cy Young voting. For the first half of the season, he was one of the most untouchable pitchers in the past decade.
2011 started with Ubaldo hurting his finger or thumb or something like that in frustrating fashion, and through 6 starts had a disheartening 6.67 ERA, a 30:22 K:BB ratio, had lost velocity, and basically couldn't get anything to go RIGHT.
I remember thinking that Ubaldo was just such a prodigy for throwing disgusting pitches that he was like one of those superheroes that learn everyone else's powers for a short amount of time. He could adapt to anything. After his disastrous start to this season, I was wondering who put kryptonite in his drinking water. I wanted to kill his manicurist. I swore to never shop at that little gift shop that didn't have the "Ubaldo" license plate. It was an absolutely gut-sinking feeling to think that all of that pitching wizardry might be gone.
As the season stands, Jimenez is sporting a 4.07 ERA with a 99:43 K:BB ratio. That by itself, if the season ended today, would be 11th all time, bookended by Jason Marquis' 4.04 ERA in 2009 and Aaron Cook's 4.12 ERA in 2007.
After those appalling 6 starts, Ubaldo turned himself around, somehow, and since those 6 starts has posted a 3.12 ERA with 69:21 K:BB ratio. He's allowed all of 4 home runs during those 80.2IP, 3 of which coming in one game against the Dodgers. For those of you keeping spreadsheets at home, that's roughly a 2.92 FIP over that span.
Much like he learned a splitter, much like he learned to prevent home runs in a hitters' paradise, Ubaldo is once again adapting.
What's kind of weird is that during the good stretch, his strikeout rate has actually DROPPED. Upside: so have his walk numbers. Frankly, if he wants to complement a 7.70 K/9 with a 2.34 BB/9, I'm not going to be the one complaining.
After that miserable start, and not including Thursday's start against the Brewers, Ubaldo's full season ERA+ is sitting at a 109 (and if you're into Fangraphs numbers, ERA- of 100), suggesting that he's dug himself out of his pit of doom and pitched himself into being a better-than-average pitcher on the entirety of the season.
The remaining concern is Ubaldo's velocity. We became accustomed to seeing triple digits at least once or twice a start. But so far this season, it's become increasingly apparent that he's just not comfortable sitting at 96 for whatever reason. Maybe those 6 starts of nastiness spooked him enough to just not want to throw it. That said, it's clear that Ubaldo has yet again adapted to his circumstances and found a new way to be very effective while peaking at 97-98.
Here's the funny thing: when have you seen a pitcher top out at 97-98 and been disappointed? Those triple digits are pretty sexy, I won't lie, but let's remember that topping out at 97 is still gasolina, baby.
I know I'm getting ahead of myself here, but the past 11 starts from Jimenez have been really encouraging, and it warms the cockles of my cold, black heart to see him overcoming adversity in this fashion.
So to answer the question of "Is Ubaldo back?", I have to still take that safe escape and say "I don't know". Because come on, nobody knows. Let's compromise, though, so we can walk away with something more definitive:
Is Ubaldo back? Well, I don't know if 2010 Ubaldo will ever be back. But how about 2009 Ubaldo? I can live with that, and I think most of us could as well.
(hat tip to user GoRoxGo and others for pointing out Ubaldo's excellent work since Mid-May)
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But where did Ubaldo go?
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He was tied up and stored in the trunk of Ublado's car.
A Ty WIggington Home Run is a Rockies Death Sentence.
Which was parked in Ubbaldo's garage.
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That is rented by Tulowitski to store his perogi equipment
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Perogi mobsters?
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by DAWNMARIE01 on Jul 15, 2011 12:53 PM MDT up reply actions
And yet SI reports this morning.
That we are listening to offers for him. 17 scout passes to the game last night. Tell me it isn’t so.
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Are you serious?
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by waterboy31321 on Jul 15, 2011 7:52 AM MDT up reply actions
O'Dowd has to listen. It's his job.
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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/morning-jolt/07/15/july.15/index.html?sct=hp_t2_a3&eref=sihp"
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Yep
Rox are perceived at potential sellers. Ubaldo is a very desirable player, so naturally teams will be interested in acquiring him. But there’s no evidence whatsoever to suggest that O’Dowd is actually interested in moving him. It would take a monumental haul of prospects to get that done, and if O’Dowd sold for anything less than that, he’d probably be out of a job sooner than later.
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Putting his job in jeopardy would also be true if he fails to make a move that's in the best long term interest of the team.
So yes, if some team is willing to overextend themselves in an offer for Jimenez, he should take it very seriously. I really don’t want to see Ubaldo go, but if it sets us up for the next decade, it could be worth it.
by Rox Girl on Jul 15, 2011 8:05 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's my take too
If someone comes along and says we can get you Harper and Moore and, oh, 4 or 5 other top-20 near-ready prospects…then you start listening.
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Oh, I'd take Matt Moore and Desmond Jennings
but it won’t be the Rays doing the offering. They don’t need starting pitching. They have lots, in the Majors and Minors. They need a young DH under team control for several years, and we don’t have one of those.
2011 Rockies -- what the hell?
Yeah, won't be the Rays
I just used Moore as an example of the quality of prospect that needs to come back in order to sell Ubaldo.
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Giambi?
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by Jeff Francis Day on Jul 15, 2011 8:46 AM MDT up reply actions
Harper plus Moore is a bit of hyperbole, but that's the gist of it.
I would want to see at least one All-Star potential position player and one TOR potential pitcher in a package that includes two or three other decent prospects.
I'm prone to hyperbole :)
But yeah, I was intentionally doing to to highlight what I believe is Ubaldo’s actually worth in this trade market. Sell high high high, or don’t sell at all.
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one other point to make
Since Ubaldo’s club option in 2014 is void if he’s traded, he’s more valuable to us than any other team. That’s enough to make the market for him lower than what we would want in a trade, and a huge reason (among others) that I predict he wont be traded.
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by black_knight101 on Jul 15, 2011 8:24 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
the fact that we would want a Matt Moore type guy, a guy who projects as a #1 in like a year, plus other good prospects, just about completely rules out any chance of a trade…unless you find a team who is desperate to win this year and this year only and willing to sell the farm for it
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by waterboy31321 on Jul 15, 2011 8:53 AM MDT up reply actions
If we can get a Emmitt Smith, Darren Woodsen and 3 Super Bowls in the 90's..
in trade for Ubaldo, then I’m in.
If we can get a "Dan Haren haul" for Ubaldo, at a minimum, I'm in.
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Bwahahaah
Well, he’s (sadly) better than Tony Saunders
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I feel dumb even saying this
but does Jason Hammel have any trade value? For even a B prospect?
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by waterboy31321 on Jul 15, 2011 9:52 AM MDT up reply actions
Not a dumb question.
I’d think he has some value, sure.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 15, 2011 9:56 AM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, just not to the teams seemingly actually looking to trade for SP right now
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He has some, but in a different way
He has no real trade value to an actual contender whose looking to upgrade their rotation.
If anything, given his affordable contract next year, he’d theoretically have some marginal value to an underperforming lower-payroll team to tide their rotation over until their young hotshots are ready to contribute, as he’s a reasonably competent semi innings-eater.
In other words, a team like the Nats or Pittsburgh could use him in certain circumstances, but he wouldn’t bring more than either a B prospect or a Jamey Carroll-type. And then, we don’t have anyone to fill his rotation spot with anyway.
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Ubaldo
JDLR
Chacin
Rogers
Nicasio
Id rather go with NiKKKKKKKAsio and Rogers than Hammel???Wouldn’t you? Or Friedrich if he progresses along at all
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by waterboy31321 on Jul 15, 2011 10:05 AM MDT up reply actions
I have never bought into Rogers as a starter
And aside from one really good outing, I’m not sure why anybody else has done so, either.
And Friedrich is not ready yet, and won’t be during 2011. And when he is up, his current AA numbers don’t really suggest to me that he’s even dead certain to be a better ML pitcher than Hammel.
So, unless you have a real desire to give 12 starts to Greg Reynolds or Mortenson from here on out, we can’t afford to trade Hammel. Remember, NiKKKKKasio is already in the rotation, so he’s not a replacement.
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by Mondogarage on Jul 15, 2011 10:09 AM MDT up reply actions
He is an above average pitcher by definition
Who can’t throw his best out-pitch in half of his games. I think we can do better than that.
by rururuland784 on Jul 15, 2011 1:08 PM MDT up reply actions
i think thats just due diligence
Also I wouldn’t be shocked if a couple of scouts were looking at Stewart
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by black_knight101 on Jul 15, 2011 8:03 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I was wondering if the scouts were there to see "many" Rockies' players.
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Agree
I don’t think Ubaldo will get moved, because the last thing the Rockies are in a position to trade away is starting-pitcher innings. But when your team underperforms and drops you into the “potential seller” category, everything is fair game for discussion.
by Northsider1964 on Jul 15, 2011 8:07 AM MDT up reply actions
this is entirely based on Rencks tweet that Rox will listen to any offer
So yeah, we’re “listening” to offers
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by black_knight101 on Jul 15, 2011 7:55 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
As long as he sets up to get a Herschel Walker type haul I’m cool with it
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by waterboy31321 on Jul 15, 2011 7:55 AM MDT up reply actions
Any offers better include a bunch of Major League-ready pitching
‘Cause the Rockies org. is way short of it in the minor leagues, and removing Ubaldo from the system would create an even bigger shortage. How do with compete with the Giants without Ubaldo? We can’t seem to compete with them now, so without him, there’s a huge gap between the two team.
2011 Rockies -- what the hell?
Well, selling Ubaldo would pretty much mean they know that can't compete this year anyway
So I don’t know why it would be necessary to acquire current Major League arms.
To me you sell Ubaldo for no other reason that to completely restock your system. If you’re looking to make your current team better right now, selling Ubaldo is absolutely the wrong way to do it because nobody and no combination of guys in return makes you better.
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We're getting closer to a point where Arizona's rotation will be a bigger threat going forward.
Arizona’s system is loaded with quality starters, top, middle and bottom. The Giants are peaking in pitching talent, and should go on the downward slope in the next season or two.
Off season
I see most of Colorado Springs Pitchers as well as Cook leaving the org. this off season and young pitchers being the focus of this off season, Do you agree?
Sure, but I don't know if that's any different than last off season, or the one before that.
We saw pitchers like Roe, Birkins, Smith and Deduno get moved or cut from the AAA rotation and Jeff Francis’ exodus from the MLB. It’s the cycle of baseball life.
that was supposed to say or imply that Francis left the Rockies MLB rotation, not the MLB altogether.
Clarity fail.
That's assuming the Kansas City Royals are actually a major league baseball team
Sometimes I can’t tell.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 15, 2011 9:24 AM MDT up reply actions
Grant Brisbee's comment on trading Ubaldo was funny.
Prediction #3: Rockies will feign interest in trading Ubaldo Jimenez to see if someone will deliver a dump truck full of prospects
In this scenario, the internet explodes. Forensic investigators will uncover internet shrapnel from the wreckage, and after studying pieces like “andrew brakman and a player to be named” and “they can have jed lowry and a draft pickbut only if they take John Lackey back,” they’ll determine that baseball trade rumors done blew up the Web. Shame on you.
Also, the Rockies won’t trade Ubaldo. But they’ll listen, as any team should.
(From Grant’s NL West prediction post. Fair warning: Grant’s a Giants fan, so you know how he wants the season to end.)
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by glaucophane on Jul 15, 2011 9:41 AM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
Puhhhhhh lease, not gonna happen. New York Post made complete BS about him "pouting"
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by Hollidayrain on Jul 15, 2011 2:51 PM MDT up reply actions
Dexter to be called up today
by black_knight101 on Jul 15, 2011 7:53 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
You could feel this coming
and I think it’s the right move. It will be really good to see him back.
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totally agree
The only thing im surprised about is that he didn’t get called up yesterday
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by black_knight101 on Jul 15, 2011 8:06 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Maybe Rockies don't want Cargo in CF
The outfield defense was pretty bad last night. Dexter was in the dugout last night also.
NICE
who is going down?
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by waterboy31321 on Jul 15, 2011 8:23 AM MDT up reply actions
not in the story
But id assume Garner
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by black_knight101 on Jul 15, 2011 8:25 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Pretty much has to be
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Should be an interesting lineup tonight. I assume he'll play, but I doubt Fowler will lead off.
I am guessing we see Spilly, Ellis, Todd, tulo, Smith, Wiggy, Fowler, CDI, P. I would rather have Stewert in there again to see if he has found his stroke and for defense.
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by BittenAnkles on Jul 15, 2011 9:21 AM MDT up reply actions
Stewart's actually had 2-3 decent games since he's been called up
Like I said last night…not yet holding my breath, but if last night’s Stewie is what we get for 2011, we just made a really good trade deadline acquisition without giving anyone up.
I suspect your lineup is what’s going to play. Given the lefty starter, I’m pretty sure Wiggy gets the start at 3B. Even though Ian may be well improved, I don’t think we can just assume he’ll go out there against lefties yet.
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On the other hand, it's Chris Narverson, who is not a very good pitcher, so who knows
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I wasn't aware that Naverson was a lefty...
Stewart is for sure riding pine tonight.
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by BittenAnkles on Jul 15, 2011 9:27 AM MDT up reply actions
Don't be so sure on that.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 15, 2011 9:30 AM MDT up reply actions
Probably 50/50 right now
If it were anyone better than Narverson, he’d very much likely be sitting tonight.
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What's the over/under on Smith starting?
This is exactly the kind of lefty he needs to look at and get some good swings on if we hope for him to make progress against the top tier lefties.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Jul 15, 2011 9:32 AM MDT up reply actions
Smith is absolutely starting tonight, if for no other reason than OF depth issues
If we call up Dex, it’s either in conjunction with Cargo-to-the-DL or, Cole Garner going down. Either way, Spilly and Smith will both be in the starting lineup tonight.
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Yep, this.
Along with Dex in the OF.
Also, I’m thinking (maybe it’s hoping) Stew’s in there. He doesn’t need to sit and possibly get uncomfortable.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 15, 2011 9:39 AM MDT up reply actions
There's no way Stew and Smith start against a lefty..
the way Spilly and Wiggi are hitting. Tracy will stick to his usual tricks. Silly rabbit.
Are you basing that off one game?
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Jul 15, 2011 9:42 AM MDT up reply actions
Yes, I don't expect Tracy to change his ways..
when it comes to Lefty-on-Lefty action. He only does it when he has to.
Not true.
One of them will start tonight. Probably Seth.
If Smith/Stew were to both sit, who replaces them? Wigginton replaces Stew, but you have no one to replace Seth.
So we’ll probably see Seth and Wiggy.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Jul 15, 2011 9:47 AM MDT up reply actions
Who's the other player, then?
If Wiggy’s at 3B, who’s in the OF? If he’s in the OF, who’s at Third?
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Wiggy will not be in the OF tonight, absolutely not.
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Why not?
With Nicasio pitching, I don’t see why you say this.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 15, 2011 9:49 AM MDT up reply actions
Because he's strictly our emergency OF
And if we activate Dex, we actually have three “real” OFers healthy and available.
Not sure why Nicasio pitching is even relevant.
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Wigginton has played more OF to be considered more than an emergency OF.
Herrera is emergency OF.
And I mention Nicasio because he’s a GB pitcher, meaning Wigginton won’t get a ton of balls in the outfield you’d assume.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 15, 2011 9:52 AM MDT up reply actions
Wiggy's played "more OF" because of those emergencies...
Dex’s injury.
Cargo’s injury.
combined with us generally carrying only 4 OFers.
I see what you mean about Nicasio, but I highly doubt that will be the inflection point to Tracy’s decisionmaking. If Dex weren’t being called up, he’d absolutely start in LF tonight. But once Dex is activated, that changes everything in that regard, and Wiggy will most likely get the start at 3B.
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As I said, though...because it's only Narverson...
…there is actually a chance Ian gets the 3B start and Wiggy sits. But since Seth’s already in the lineup, I really doubt Tracy puts in more lefties than he needs to.
And while we’re all excited and hopeful for Ian, Wiggy did also have three hits last night, too.
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by Mondogarage on Jul 15, 2011 10:00 AM MDT up reply actions
Are you sure Smith is getting the start?
Could be Wiggy, Fowler and Spilly in the OF. With Ian starting at 3b.
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I am sure Smith is getting the start
For one, JT said Smith was going to get some starts against lefties, and Chris Narverson is far far far from being one of the leagues more dangerous lefties.
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by Mondogarage on Jul 15, 2011 10:11 AM MDT up reply actions
winner of the predict JT's
line-up game….chicken dinner
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by El Paso Jeff on Jul 15, 2011 3:14 PM MDT up reply actions
dsmba
that is
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by El Paso Jeff on Jul 15, 2011 3:14 PM MDT up reply actions
Who hoo
/sad that I knew Tracy wouldn’t have faith in Smitty
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by Junction Rox on Jul 15, 2011 3:16 PM MDT up reply actions
and in typical Wiggy fashion, all three came with no one on base
I dont understand how his splits are so vast with runners on or not. his career levels aren’t close to that wide of a split
by purplesocks on Jul 15, 2011 10:06 AM MDT up reply actions
Wiggy can play lf for one night
With Dex in center and Spilly in RF defense shouldn’t be a huge concern. Wiggy’s arguably our second best bat against lhp. And I don’t think you can take Stew or Spilly our of the lineup.
by rururuland784 on Jul 15, 2011 11:11 AM MDT up reply actions
I agree
Especially given the at-bat he had against the power lefty last-night.
I see Smith getting tonight off, though he’ll likely be a middle to late inning replacement for Spilly (or a double switch) depending on how the Brewers are matching up.
With Dex and Cargo coming back into the fold, our depth is going to be very to to match up against, provided guys hit like they should.
by rururuland784 on Jul 15, 2011 11:09 AM MDT up reply actions
Cargo will not be playing tonight
He’s not back until Saturday, according to the team.
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by Mondogarage on Jul 15, 2011 11:12 AM MDT up reply actions
How do you see the lineupo when he returns Saturday (hopefully)
Dex
Ellis
Cargo
Tulo
Helton
Smith
Stewart
Ianneta
?
by rururuland784 on Jul 15, 2011 11:18 AM MDT up reply actions
Strictly IMO...
…I don’t put Dex immediately back at leadoff for a few days, so I see a lineup of:
Cargo
Ellis
Helton
Tulo
Smith
Wiggy/Stewart
Dex
Iannetta
Pitcher
again, strictly imo.
If Dex is not striking out at his earlier rate, I see him back at leadoff by Tuesday, causing the lineup to sort out the way you describe it.
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by Mondogarage on Jul 15, 2011 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions
I am pretty sure JT will put Dex on top though.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Jul 15, 2011 12:33 PM MDT up reply actions
that leaves us with 3 lefties in a row at the bottom….but you really can’t avoid it…
unless you go
Dex
Cargo
Tulo
Helton
Smith
Ellis
Stewart
Iannetta
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by waterboy31321 on Jul 15, 2011 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions
At no point do we have 3 lefties in a row
Dex is a SH at best, and a RH hitter if he gives up switch hitting. The only LH hitters in that lineup are Cargo, Helto, Smith, and Stewart, no more than two of them in a row.
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by Mondogarage on Jul 15, 2011 11:24 AM MDT up reply actions
I think the 3 left-handers in a row thing
is overrated, considering Todd is a career 300 hitter against lefties.
With Wiggy’s bat able to switch out for either 3b or OF, I’m not sure that’s a game a lot of teams will play with us.
by rururuland784 on Jul 15, 2011 11:27 AM MDT up reply actions
no its not a huge deal to us…but to Jim Tracy that is probably equal to murder or treason
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by waterboy31321 on Jul 15, 2011 11:34 AM MDT up reply actions
He seems to be more dogmatic
with the 2b in the 2-hole, which will make it very difficult to not have 3 lefties in a row if we assume Dex is at the top (which I think we should).
by rururuland784 on Jul 15, 2011 11:37 AM MDT up reply actions
rurus lineup had 3 lefties in a row
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by waterboy31321 on Jul 15, 2011 11:33 AM MDT up reply actions
Got it.
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by Mondogarage on Jul 15, 2011 11:34 AM MDT up reply actions
Stewie is back
Stewie had stellar game and has been hitting better. Nice to have a bat at 3B. Hope he can hold the trend. We all like him.
I hereby rescind any less than positive comments I have made about him in the recent past.
by Real Perspective on Jul 15, 2011 10:37 AM MDT up reply actions
Been saying that for a few days.
;)
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 15, 2011 9:29 AM MDT up reply actions
Good good good.
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by black_knight101 on Jul 15, 2011 8:20 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm not an Insider either
A coworker pointed out the article to me this morning. Apparently Arenado is #43 and Rosario gets an honorable mention. Little surprised Wheeler didn’t get an honorable mention too. And my coworker said the was no mention of Matzek.
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All of that is fair
Arenado should be #1 on the PuRPs list right now…number two at worst
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 15, 2011 8:24 AM MDT up reply actions
is the PuRPs list really the top prospects list or top prospects/hype list?
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by waterboy31321 on Jul 15, 2011 8:29 AM MDT up reply actions
Designed to be the former
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 15, 2011 8:30 AM MDT up reply actions
How has that been proven?
Because nobody else thinks Brett Tanos is the #7 prospect in the system?
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by Junction Rox on Jul 15, 2011 12:16 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Aw, rat farts, you beat me to the punch.
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by Franchise26 on Jul 15, 2011 12:17 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just following your lead....
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by Junction Rox on Jul 15, 2011 12:20 PM MDT up reply actions
they will probably have enough service time to not qualify
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by black_knight101 on Jul 15, 2011 8:51 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
there is that aspect
Other is the potential impact of a reliever is small enough, Rex can’t really be top. Nicasio doesn’t have the ceiling of the other two if he doesn’t get the chance to improve his secondary stuff.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 15, 2011 8:56 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Rosario's had a very, very disappointing season
Doesn’t mean he won’t develop into what we all hope but his progress towards the majors is definitely going to be delayed now. Coming off his injury, I think you have to give him a little bit of a pass but the next year or so is going to be very big for him because if he doesn’t pick it up by then, his 2010 season is going to start looking like a very big outlier.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 15, 2011 9:17 AM MDT up reply actions
31 HR in 139 AA games as a 21/22 year old.
A .266/.313/.493 line overall in 2010/2011. If you look at neither season as an outlier, but instead as a complete season’s worth of data in his season and a half in Tulsa, he still looks very rosy. You have one catcher in his prime in the MLB that maybe has that kind of power (McCann), one more approaching it (Santana) but if there’s room for more development in a department for a guy who doesn’t tune 23 until February, you’d be talking about a 40+ HR backstop at his peak. OBP’s not pretty yet, but it will get better as pitchers avoid having to deal with that bat.
i was entirely ready to put Arenado #1 in the next vote
Before this comment. Now you have made me reconsider…
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by black_knight101 on Jul 15, 2011 9:57 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I’ll still consider it before the next PuRP ballot. They are definitely head and shoulders above any other position prospects in the system right now.
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i can see being above but head and shoulders above wheeler?
by purplesocks on Jul 15, 2011 10:06 AM MDT up reply actions
Knees and toes below, work for ya?
/sorry spend too much time with toddlers
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I don't think Muzia is quite sold on Wheeler yet
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 15, 2011 10:09 AM MDT up reply actions
strikes out a TON
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So does Cargo
Not saying that’s what he’ll be but you can still develop into an elite player with big K numbers at his age – plus he still has time to improve.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 15, 2011 10:17 AM MDT up reply actions
Like you said, I'm not sold
I really value plate discipline in prospects, and 30% K rates are giant warning signs. Big reason I didn’t put Swanner higher on my list (though he seems to be showing improvement in that area)
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When you say 30% K rate you mean against lefties right?
His overall K rate is an ugly but manageable 23%
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 15, 2011 10:28 AM MDT up reply actions
Is this using the new K/PA?
;)
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Yes
Was it really at 30% before? That seems like a huge drop.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 15, 2011 10:40 AM MDT up reply actions
it's been high all season against both, but really high against lefties
his splits have stabilized the past month or so, which is really encouraging
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His year just seems to keep getting better and better
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 15, 2011 10:45 AM MDT up reply actions
The KOA announcers were touching on this last night
The fact that you can be a big name hitter and still have a high K rate due to the way pitching has changed since the ’70s.
A Ty WIggington Home Run is a Rockies Death Sentence.
yeah but high K rate in the minors translates to much higher K rate in the majors
See Stewart, Ian.
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by black_knight101 on Jul 15, 2011 10:37 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
As an absolute rule?
I know that is the conventional wisdom
by rururuland784 on Jul 15, 2011 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions
you're right that it's not always true
but it’s just something you’ve got to look out for, and something the teams/scouts look at when evaluating minor leaguers
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by black_knight101 on Jul 15, 2011 1:33 PM MDT up reply actions
Both have defensive questions currently
but the numbers Arenado is putting up as a 20 year old, and his strike zone awareness are extremely advanced for his age.His power has yet to completely develop.
Wheeler may have just hit that late developing power, but is 3 years older than Arenado and only one level higher. He still is more “boom or bust” than Arenado and those K rates are truly terrifying.
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Arenado has struck out twice vs LHP this season
And still sports something like an 11% K/PA vs RHP.
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by black_knight101 on Jul 15, 2011 11:08 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
If the power is real
23 k% isn’t that terrifying. Shoot, Holliday was a 20% guy at the same age (without the power)
by rururuland784 on Jul 15, 2011 11:34 AM MDT up reply actions
"terrifying" is a little excessive
he’s only at 22.9% on the season in a pitching-heavy league, and even if he’s at 30% against lefties, well that means he’s only at what, 15% against righties? which is outstanding, and there’s like 13% of pitchers who are left-handed… this sounds like not seeing the forest for the trees. he is also walking nearly 10% of the time, and rocking a .290 ISO… worth it
(on another note, i dont even know where you’re even getting minor league split data for this season, nothing i can find about the minors has this kind of data)
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if it's not tracy's fault, it's not not tracy's fault, either
If 13% of pitchers are LHP
Given the numbers above, his K rate against RHP would be 21.8%. Not sure what the actual number is based on at-bats.
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exaggerations aside
a .290 ISO makes that K% well worth it
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if it's not tracy's fault, it's not not tracy's fault, either
Try firstinning.com and statcorner.com
They both update on a nightly basis.
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wow those sites are really cool, thanks
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if it's not tracy's fault, it's not not tracy's fault, either
His overall line is still excellent which is why I'm not concerned yet
but that’s also why I think the next year is so important in his development. Right now his .266/.313/.493 is the only fair way to look at it because the two years of near equal sample size contrast so much – But if he doesn’t show a rebound in the next let’s say 300 PA’s, then A) that line is going to drop, and B) his 2010 season will start to stick out.
Again, I’m not worried yet but I do think it’s something to watch closely. Is he just hitting a natural valley that many great prospects run into during their development? – Is he having a down year because of the injury? – Or did the league find a flaw in his game?
This is huge because I REALLY want to see Rosario turn into an elite bat at catcher for us. If he does that will give us elite bats at both catcher and shortstop for a big chunk of the decade and considering that those are the two worst offensive positions (sans the pitcher of course), we will have the foundation layed for some incredable lineups for years to come.
If there’s one guy in our system who, in the near future could transform the team if he reaches his ceiling, it’s Rosario.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 15, 2011 10:03 AM MDT up reply actions
(or Matzek)
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His probably a little further away but absolutely
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 15, 2011 10:06 AM MDT up reply actions
err.
his He’s
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 15, 2011 10:10 AM MDT up reply actions
you're pretty bullish on matzek, arent you
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if it's not tracy's fault, it's not not tracy's fault, either
If there’s one guy in our system who, in the near future could transform the team if he reaches his ceiling
I don’t think there’s ever been much question that Matzek has a pretty high ceiling.
It’s his floor that’s becoming more worrisome…
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by Junction Rox on Jul 15, 2011 3:58 PM MDT up reply actions
Floor or basement?
Or just-discovered cave network beneath the basement that leads to the center of the earth?
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oh i agree, he could be very, very good, i'm just not all that fond of high school pitchers in general
and matzek hasnt done a lot to either bolster or buoy his case, in my mind
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if it's not tracy's fault, it's not not tracy's fault, either
And what I was really trying to get at with my first comment above was not that he might be a bust
But that he might not not get to that elite level. (Too early to tell of course)
It’s those guys who have the chance to be elite that I think make a frachise like the Rockies. We need to cash in on them.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 15, 2011 10:05 AM MDT up reply actions
I'll grant you all that, but it's that ceiling, which is so much higher than anybody else's, including Arenado and Wheeler
higher than any player in the system except for possibly Rosell Herrera, and the fact that Rosario’s relatively close to reaching the majors that keep him in the top prospect slot for me. Arenado’s more likely to reach his ceiling, but it’s quite a bit lower without the impact power potential and plus defense at a premium position that Rosario has.
Rosarios's ceiling is off the charts.
I want to hit up Casper before voting on Herrera. ATF can’t stop raving about the kid, I need to see him for myself.
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If he hits like he has been at Casper, you should be in for a treat.
His home numbers are insane for an 18 year old switch hitting shortstop: .400/.488/.743
He hasn’t adjusted to the long bus rides of minor league play in the United States, he’s not hitting that great (but still very promising) against LHP’s from the right side of the plate, but overall his season rivals Ian Stewart’s 2003 as the best ever by an 18 year old at Casper.
We’re looking at another middle of the order bat that can play up the middle.
For some reason, I never realized he was a switch hitter. Wow. Yeah.
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Can you imagine what this lineup will look like by 2014 if Rosario hits that ceiling
and joins an experienced Cargo and Tulo in the middle of the lineup?
That would make for some fun summers
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 15, 2011 10:34 AM MDT up reply actions
And Autumns for that matter
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 15, 2011 10:34 AM MDT up reply actions
and with Tyler Anderson/Chad Bettis/Juan Nicasio as our #5 starter
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We're going to be so good in three years.......
Of course, we’ve thought that before.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 15, 2011 10:43 AM MDT up reply actions
Yay DLR as our Long Man and Cook as our Ace!
Hindsight FTW!!!!
by purplesocks on Jul 15, 2011 10:44 AM MDT up reply actions
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I'm oddly
aroused by this…
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by Yokel on Jul 15, 2011 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
so wrong
yet I’m going to rec it anyway.
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Well, I know you follow this more than most
I respect your opinion RG, but 40 home-runs?
When’s the last time a catcher hit 40 in a season? Piazza I would imagine, one of the 2-3 best hitting catchers of all-time.
by rururuland784 on Jul 15, 2011 11:14 AM MDT up reply actions
Now you see why I still have him #1 on my PuRPs list.
Rosario’s not Piazza, he doesn’t have that hit for average tool, but he’s certainly not Miguel Olivo, either. The Texxas League has been around for over a century and it’s very rare for catchers to hit with this much power for 139 games, let alone at 21 or 22 year old. The most recent closest example would probably be Mike Napoli, who hit 31 HR’s as a 23 year old in 2005, and he’d be on pace for nearly 40 HR’s this season if he had full time AB’s.
I'm curious what Iannetta's pro-rated hr totals looked like at Tulsa
or his hr/ab. CI also hit about 70 points higher IIRC.
I guess it just concerns me that he makes so many outs at that level.
by rururuland784 on Jul 15, 2011 11:56 AM MDT up reply actions
Iannetta hit
a hr every 16 at-bats as a 23-year-old at Tulsa.
Rosario is 1 every 18 at-bats the last two years and it’s gone down this year.
If Rosario can be an Iannetta level hitter with better defense, I’d be thrilled.
by rururuland784 on Jul 15, 2011 12:01 PM MDT up reply actions
HR/PA is more indicative of a player's power potential.
Iannetta hit 1/19.6, Rosario’s at 1/18.1 and is younger. Iannetta had/has much better patience, but Rosario’s power tool is actually quite a bit better at the same stage of their career.
Here's another way to describe the difference, and explain why Rosario's power potential is more impressive
but in a way also discouraging because it shows how far away he is from reaching his potential. Iannetta, because of his patience, basically forces opposing pitchers to throw strikes, and then if they make a mistake in the strike zone, he will be able to make them pay for it. Rosario can hit good pitches out of any park as well as mistakes. Iannetta’s power zone over the plate is fairly small, while Rosario’s is pretty large. It’s costing him right now, as he hasn’t learned to lay off like Iannetta had and since he’s the “protection” in that Tulsa lineup, rather than the protected, pitcher’s are forcing him to hit good pitches this year. And while he’s doing it some of the time, he’s mostly not, and probably won’t as long as he continues to let them dictate his AB’s.
It's RG, what else do you expect.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 15, 2011 12:52 PM MDT up reply actions
This is why she'll be in the SBN HOF when she retires.
by Charlie77 on Jul 15, 2011 2:45 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm guessing it will take me a while on the ballot.
I’ll be the Bert Blyleven of baseball bloggers. Or maybe the Jim Rice, depending on who you ask.
Arenado No. 43.
“Heavy-footed” and “take his numbers with a grain of salt.” Doing most damage against lefties.
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I wonder if he's seen him play this year.
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The Futures Game?
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Ask him on Twitter
seems pretty responsive.
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Ask him how heavy his feet are
and what he used to weigh them
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by waterboy31321 on Jul 15, 2011 10:07 AM MDT up reply actions
Did anybody else read this quote from Jerry Weinstein?
“He makes plays you’ve never seen before,” Weinstein said. "There’s no one way to do things. There are defensive fundamentals, which involve catching the ball and throwing accurately, and he does those things as good as anybody I’ve ever seen at this level.
“I’ve been coaching baseball for a long time and he’s the best I’ve ever seen at third base. He’s the best defensive player in the Cal League and it’s not even close.”
Read more: http://www.modbee.com/2011/06/29/1755334/arenadoto-play-in-minor-league.html#ixzz1SBu456g7
sounds like heavy feet to me
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by waterboy31321 on Jul 15, 2011 10:13 AM MDT up reply actions
Some hyperbole there
but yeah, he’s night and day from last fall.
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I love players who show an ability to improve like that
It bodes well for their future.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 15, 2011 10:19 AM MDT up reply actions
He wasn't bad defensively when I saw him at Asheville, but he definitely looked like he should be bad with that build
And talking to people who were with the team throughout the year, you probably caught him at his worst. My main concern was that the body indicated that he’d have faster slide down the defensive spectrum than most, but that concern is gone now. Law’s not giving Arenado enough credit for the work he’s put in, both at the gym/dinner table, and on the field.
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If you get a hand on it, you're supposed to come up witht it.
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This
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nice touch, classy
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i was going to give to one of the little kids sitting near me... :-(
I have 3 already
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Yep, gotta catch those.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 15, 2011 9:43 AM MDT up reply actions
Yikes that's too bad.
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Watching Wiggy wave at some terrible pitches last night
It occured to me that perhaps Miguel Olivo never really left. He just turned very pale over the winter and stopping hitting the gym.
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Except Olivo wouldn't have had the two hits
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 15, 2011 9:16 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
This
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LOL
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by Hollidayrain on Jul 15, 2011 2:55 PM MDT up reply actions
say what you will aboutolivo, the dude is leaps and bounds ahead of wiggy with men on base
his splits actually improve with higher leverage
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if it's not tracy's fault, it's not not tracy's fault, either
Wouldn't it be nice
If Stewie continues to play like he did last night. Ubaldo continues to be Ubaldo. Dexter comes up and becomes the player we expected him to be and Esmil returns to the pitcher he was in his first game of this season.
we might as well bring Jose Lopez and Frankie Mo back while we are at it
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by waterboy31321 on Jul 15, 2011 8:27 AM MDT up reply actions
Frankie Mo
Had 2 bad games right after the trade then didn’t pitch for a month. Since the he hasn’t given up a hit in 3 innings and 5 games. Maybe Boston has a good pitching coach.
I was never in favor of trading Frankie Mo, but maybe he just needed to get out of Denver
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by waterboy31321 on Jul 15, 2011 8:37 AM MDT up reply actions
It happens...he may yet be some other team's JDLR in a year or two
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Wow
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by Jeff Francis Day on Jul 15, 2011 9:30 AM MDT up reply actions
My thoughts exactly
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by nodakroxfan on Jul 15, 2011 9:45 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Was Jiminez even at 95 last night?
At Bat kept saying 92 mph fastballs. I’m hoping that was wrong.
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by BikeChess on Jul 15, 2011 8:39 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
TV said he topped out at 96
Seemed to be a couple mph below the velocity he showed in Atlanta and DC, but still much better than where he was early in the year.
Mound footing could have been a little soft last night. Also wonder if the pregame rain allowed for his full warmup routine.
by Northsider1964 on Jul 15, 2011 8:54 AM MDT up reply actions
Eh, I would chalk that up more to 96 pitches with a healthy lead at the time.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Jul 15, 2011 9:03 AM MDT up reply actions
Not sure how much the rain messed up the game prep
But when I left downtown at 5:30, I thought there was no way this game would start on time – figured 7:30 at best. So I think it could have been one of those nights when it was hard to know how much or how hard to warm up. Didn’t seem to have a huge impact on Ubaldo, but he wasn’t exactly cutting loose and throwing gas.
by Northsider1964 on Jul 15, 2011 9:09 AM MDT up reply actions
Last night, watching the game
My wife noted that the 12-run game seemed like overkill, and the season was pretty much feast or famine, run-scoring wise. Either they blew out the competition, or didn’t score much.
I had to ask her if she’d been reading Purple Row. She hadn’t, but for a girl who used to prefer soccer, her conversion’s coming along quite well.
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"...buffalo chicken is a fine anti-depressant, after all." -UZ
Maybe she's been reading the paper or listening to the radio....
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by prettyinpurple on Jul 15, 2011 10:31 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Anyone catch the end of the Giants game last night?
First Bell blows the save in the 9th.
Then Gregerson walks in the go ahead run in the 12th, after major RISP fail from Tejada and Torres with the bases loaded (they were loaded from two walks and an error).
Really took some of the good juju I was feeling from our win away.
Also, when does our team EVER get to Bell or Gregerson?
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by Jeff Francis Day on Jul 15, 2011 9:49 AM MDT reply actions
Gregerson looked terrible.
And I mean terrible. His slider had NO bite.
Also, Bell looked very hittable. Hanging curveballs and his fastball was right down the middle all day. I’m not surprised the Giants won.
Gregerson gift-wrapped that though.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Jul 15, 2011 9:51 AM MDT up reply actions
That's my point
Don’t want to sound whiny, but those guys never have an off day/bad stuff against us.
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by Jeff Francis Day on Jul 15, 2011 9:52 AM MDT up reply actions
we scored two runs off bell on june 8th
tie ball game going into the 9th and bell came in and we ended up winning
other than that hes been lights out and we haven’t done anything off of gregerson this season
Which I can't believe.
After watching Gregerson last night, he looked baddddddddddddddddddd.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Jul 15, 2011 9:57 AM MDT up reply actions
Rockies got to Bell earlier this year in SD
It was a tie game, so it wasn’t a blown save.
The Friars’ pen still didn’t get the Meltdown of the Night award, thanks to Carlos Marmol. That was something really special.
by Northsider1964 on Jul 15, 2011 9:56 AM MDT up reply actions
Yep, Tulo's 2-RBI single
The day I came home :D
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 15, 2011 9:57 AM MDT up reply actions
I don't know how a person could look at the Giants behind 0-1 in the 8th..
and not expect they were going to win that game. It should be programmed in your brain at this point of the season.
The ONLY shocking development was that it was not a 1-run victory.
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by Mondogarage on Jul 15, 2011 10:15 AM MDT up reply actions
Solid Point
And I knew deep down they’d find a way to lose. Still the pure, naive, inner Jeff Francis Day hoped for just a moment that we could come out of the gate with a blowout win while picking up a game on SF…and for just the slightest moment it seemed like that was going to happen.
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by Jeff Francis Day on Jul 15, 2011 10:22 AM MDT up reply actions
pure, naive, inner Jeff Francis
I have one of these too!
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If everybody could take a moment
to harness their inner Jeff Francis, imagine what we could accomplish.
Debt ceilings, middle east unrest, major sport lockouts be gone.
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by Jeff Francis Day on Jul 15, 2011 10:26 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
We should aim higher if we
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by glaucophane on Jul 15, 2011 10:28 AM MDT up reply actions
Stupid heavy fingers.
We should aim higher if we want to harness the Inner Physicist. Jetpacks and stuff.
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by glaucophane on Jul 15, 2011 10:28 AM MDT up reply actions
we were promised jet packs.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Jul 15, 2011 10:58 AM MDT up reply actions
Yes
Like an idiot I stayed up and watched every pitch of it even though I was pretty sure it wasn’t gonna end well.
The good news though is that Wilson still does not look good. That’s going to start costing them some games soon.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 15, 2011 10:25 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm convinced that there's a gypsy curse on us that grants them 3 more W's every time one of us says something like this:
That’s going to start costing them some games soon.
Right
And what’s more likely is that Wilson shakes his slump (in which the Giants have still won plenty of games) and returns back to dominance.
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by Jeff Francis Day on Jul 15, 2011 10:30 AM MDT up reply actions
o/t: The butterfield diet plan.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 15, 2011 10:12 AM MDT reply actions
Sandwich casserole!
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by Mondogarage on Jul 15, 2011 10:15 AM MDT up reply actions
bonbonbonbons.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 15, 2011 10:15 AM MDT up reply actions
Chocolate during dinner mints...
Nom nom nom nom.
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by waterboy31321 on Jul 15, 2011 11:24 AM MDT up reply actions
Can you ship them?
I only have 24hrs to eat them.
by Charlie77 on Jul 15, 2011 2:51 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
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by waterboy31321 on Jul 15, 2011 3:44 PM MDT up reply actions
Did anyone else hear the Jim Tracy interview last night on KOA before the game?
Krieger basically read Aberle’s Rockpile to Jim Tracy and asked him about how to manage more small ball.
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yeah it was talked about in the GT
Big props to PR and Aberle
by purplesocks on Jul 15, 2011 10:18 AM MDT up reply actions
except on Sunday's!
How do you get your kids to behave? Threaten not to take them to a Rockies game. They straighten up REAL QUICK.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
by Roxman4ever on Jul 15, 2011 10:32 AM MDT up reply actions
Yes, Aberle needs to be benched every Sunday just like Iannetta.
Just an average guy with exceptional hair. Nothing more, nothing less.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Jul 15, 2011 11:28 AM MDT up reply actions
That's awesome.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 15, 2011 10:21 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Yep
I think both hours of yesterday’s Dave Logan show are up to be podcasted that Aberle was mentioned, if anyone wants to listen.
4 o’clock hour (at around 14 min) he mentions the great Rockies blog Purple Row, to go to it if you’re a real Rockies fan, and the article by Jeff. 5 o’clock hour is the interview where he tells it to Tracy.
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by prettyinpurple on Jul 15, 2011 10:30 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
more specifically, 5:20-5:30
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Cool thanks.
I didn’t actually get to podcast that hour yet, but was listening to it live.
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by prettyinpurple on Jul 15, 2011 10:36 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
This is great.
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by prettyinpurple on Jul 15, 2011 11:07 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Go Team.
Great win.
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OT: Today is my Purple Row aniversary.
Two years ago a stupider, younger, shyer me checked that box. I’ve wasted two years of my life spent two good years of my life here now. I’d like to think I’m not as dumb, as I have learned so much. But still a long ways to go. Dang, two years- does that make me a verteran?
Thanks for the memories, PR.
Oh and will someone younger than I please stand up? I’ve held this position for way to long. Get posting, highschool kids!
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by prettyinpurple on Jul 15, 2011 10:51 AM MDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Yep... welcome to the bigs kid, you don't have to tote around the pink backpack anymore.
We’ll give it to Mr Rockie
Ha, cool.
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by prettyinpurple on Jul 15, 2011 11:09 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I have decided if the Rockies can't make a race of it this year...
I am jumping on the Pirates bandwagon. Who’s with me?
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by BittenAnkles on Jul 15, 2011 11:05 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Seriously?
No thanks.
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by prettyinpurple on Jul 15, 2011 11:07 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
you.
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I'm thrilled for Hurdle, but I'm no bandwagoner.
We can finish 70-92, and the only wagon I’m on will still be branded “Colorado Rockies”.
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by Mondogarage on Jul 15, 2011 11:18 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Eh, I don't really think it's bandwagoning
to choose a team to root for if your own team doesn’t make it. I usually do that in the playoffs, or once my team (in whatever sport) is officially eliminated from contention.
right
Walk-off wins never get old no matter how many times they happen' - Jeff Francis
In mourning for Jorge's ulnar collateral ligament and Charlies left foot.
Still a member of the Jonathan 'Scrappy Doo' Herrera Fan Club - Puppy Power will prevail in the end.
Strikeouts are boring - besides that, they're fascist. Throw some more groundballs. Its more democratic. - Crash Davis
I'd rather cut one of my toes off
Then follow a team from Pennsylvania
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by Thnikkaman on Jul 15, 2011 11:18 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
wouldn't it be a Pirates ship?
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by waterboy31321 on Jul 15, 2011 11:25 AM MDT up reply actions 3 recs
Argh
Altar Boy in the Church of Santo Ubaldo
"...buffalo chicken is a fine anti-depressant, after all." -UZ
"it's drivin' me nuts!"
"We have done everything possible to be set for this day, for this season. It's time to go. We are ready. I can promise you that." - CarGo
by Mondogarage on Jul 15, 2011 11:29 AM MDT up reply actions
But most guys let what's in there do the driving for them.
Or at least the thinking.
"We have done everything possible to be set for this day, for this season. It's time to go. We are ready. I can promise you that." - CarGo
by Mondogarage on Jul 15, 2011 11:37 AM MDT up reply actions
I know some pirates.
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I talk like a pirate for a day
Every september
A Ty WIggington Home Run is a Rockies Death Sentence.
my Moonlight Classic team is going as pirates tomorrow night
Walk-off wins never get old no matter how many times they happen' - Jeff Francis
In mourning for Jorge's ulnar collateral ligament and Charlies left foot.
Still a member of the Jonathan 'Scrappy Doo' Herrera Fan Club - Puppy Power will prevail in the end.
Strikeouts are boring - besides that, they're fascist. Throw some more groundballs. Its more democratic. - Crash Davis
how is this not green
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
if it's not tracy's fault, it's not not tracy's fault, either
I'm in
<3 Cutch
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 15, 2011 11:46 AM MDT up reply actions
FOR SHAME
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/BANNEDWAGON
"We have done everything possible to be set for this day, for this season. It's time to go. We are ready. I can promise you that." - CarGo
by Mondogarage on Jul 15, 2011 11:49 AM MDT up reply actions
Geddy Lee has a sad.
I saw him making an appointment to get that forehead tattoo removed.
A Ty WIggington Home Run is a Rockies Death Sentence.
he said IF the Rockies are out of it.
In the off chance that happens, I’ll be excited to root for the Pirates. I won’t stop rooting for the Rockies.
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 15, 2011 11:51 AM MDT up reply actions
Why can't I root for both now?
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She’s been a big Pirates fan all her life with several family members semipro or minor league ball. She’s very, very excited about the Pirates and we talk baseball frequently, since she knows her stuff. Gotta root for them because of her.
2011 Rockies -- what the hell?
I want the Pirates to win the division, so sure.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 15, 2011 12:39 PM MDT up reply actions
I would cheer for the Pirates over the Giants, Phillies, and Braves.
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by glaucophane on Jul 15, 2011 12:40 PM MDT up reply actions
(I used to know a couple cats named Honus and Stargell.)
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by glaucophane on Jul 15, 2011 12:41 PM MDT up reply actions
Did you change your name from PHLP or Oldfoagie?
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by Mondogarage on Jul 15, 2011 12:43 PM MDT up reply actions
/snort
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by glaucophane on Jul 15, 2011 12:46 PM MDT up reply actions
i'll go for the pirates, fo sho
awfully 2007-y feel about them
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
if it's not tracy's fault, it's not not tracy's fault, either
I've been thinking the same thing
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@Buster_ESPN: The Tigers had two scouts at the Colorado game last night. Speculation from other scouts- SPECULATION-is that they were watching Jimenez.
OK, Tigers… I’m starting the bidding at Jacob Turner, Andy Oliver, Brennan Boesch, and another position prospect. And only then am I not hanging up the phone immediately.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
Do you think we could convince this caravan of scouts
That Spilly is a late bloomer, and the CF/leadoff man that any contender would love to have?
by Northsider1964 on Jul 15, 2011 12:21 PM MDT up reply actions
just show them his statline leading off. Superstar!!
.500/.533/.786/1.319
by purplesocks on Jul 15, 2011 12:23 PM MDT up reply actions
Someone talk me off the ledge..........
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 15, 2011 12:26 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Hey, nobody can keep them from watching. Or making phone calls. It’s common sense that will keep Dan O’Dowd from pulling any triggers.
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by Franchise26 on Jul 15, 2011 12:28 PM MDT up reply actions
Exactly
right now I have to assume that the Rockies are seen as a talented team that’s not having a good year, maybe even a team that would want to shed payroll (although I think that would be a very bad assumption) and therefore a team that might end up selling off talent at below market rates this trade deadline. If that’s the perception, it’s not surprising that teams would want to scout them. And hey, if there’s even a remote chance a guy like Ubaldo might end up on the market, why not come scout them when you can get a look at him? Of the guys the Rockies would realistically think about moving, he is the big prize.
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by Junction Rox on Jul 15, 2011 12:55 PM MDT up reply actions
Unless the Rockies do really bad in the next two weeks (which I don't expect)
then I don’t see them selling at all.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 15, 2011 12:59 PM MDT up reply actions
That's what I would expect too
but you can’t blame other teams for hoping…
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by Junction Rox on Jul 15, 2011 1:00 PM MDT up reply actions
The scouts really just wanted to come to Denver
All of their Wynkoop growlers went dry at the same time. Pure coincidence.
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hahaha SPECULATION…that is funny.
I’ll start the bidding at Miguel Cabrera and Verlander and Weird Al
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by waterboy31321 on Jul 15, 2011 12:31 PM MDT up reply actions
Fangraphs got to Ubaldo in their 2011 Trade Value series.
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I was wondering when we would find some Rockies in that
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by waterboy31321 on Jul 15, 2011 12:31 PM MDT up reply actions
CarGo's #40.
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by glaucophane on Jul 15, 2011 12:33 PM MDT up reply actions
oh okay…yesterday I could not visit #40-36 the link was not properly inserted
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by waterboy31321 on Jul 15, 2011 12:35 PM MDT up reply actions
Anyone else feel that's way too low ( or would it be high?)
More of a good hitter than great hitter?
by rururuland784 on Jul 15, 2011 12:54 PM MDT up reply actions
The analysis explained that the issue was with the length (and amount) of his contract.
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by glaucophane on Jul 15, 2011 12:58 PM MDT up reply actions
I suppose it's current trade value
emphasis on current. All the boys ahead of him will have their payday too.
by rururuland784 on Jul 15, 2011 1:02 PM MDT up reply actions
And isn't his contract written
To include a bunch of anti-trade poison pills? Something about CarGo really not liking getting traded thrice as a prospect.
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"...buffalo chicken is a fine anti-depressant, after all." -UZ
I stand corrected.
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"...buffalo chicken is a fine anti-depressant, after all." -UZ
I think he's being rated as if he's a corner outfielder
whereas, on almost all other teams he’d be a CF (as he is now w/o Dex) and is thus much more valuable. that’s why he’s rated too low.
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by black_knight101 on Jul 15, 2011 2:01 PM MDT up reply actions
dave hates cargo, and i hate dave
few at fangraphs are over LOLCOORZ and they still think UZR is an accurate measure of coors outfield defense
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if it's not tracy's fault, it's not not tracy's fault, either
OT: Maria, are you staying awake?
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Oh yeah. I'm doing fine and dandy.
Did you end up going last night?
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Yep
a little tired, but completely worth it…
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by Junction Rox on Jul 15, 2011 12:59 PM MDT up reply actions
best of the series.
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I would go along with that
Definitely the most action packed of the series..
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by Junction Rox on Jul 15, 2011 1:09 PM MDT up reply actions
Agreed, the final battle at Hogwarts
was really good, plus I love that they kept in Mrs. Weasly’s famous line from the book. The audience in the theater roared. it was awesome.
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I cheered for that one
Probably my single favorite line from any of the books.
I also loved the line they added for McGonagall – “I always wanted to use that spell”.. lol
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by Junction Rox on Jul 15, 2011 1:14 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
me too. one of the best moments was seeing her whip out her want.
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the best moment is always when I whip out my want
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 15, 2011 1:57 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
this really left me wanding.
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Wandy Rodriguez went to Hogwart's?
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There's a very slight chance of an isolated shower or thunderstorm later today but overall it looks fine.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 15, 2011 1:28 PM MDT up reply actions
just walked 10 blocks. hotter'n crap.
we could use some rain to cool things off.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Jul 15, 2011 2:04 PM MDT up reply actions
OT: I know, I know. But there's no OT thread.
But holy crap. I just discovered an amazing cover of Arcade Fire’s “My Body Is a Cage” by Peter Gabriel, with an orchestra. It’s awesome. (The whole thing is streamed here.) There’s a section in the middle where the orchestra really kicks into high gear.
I loved this..thanks Holly :)
The choir came in at just the right time . The orchestra kicked in and then the clarinet solo…amazing. (I used to play clarinet). Peter Gabriel …well I’ve always loved him.
On a side note…“My Body is a Cage” really spoke to me. As my age and disease progress ,my body does become more of a cage and it is so very true that my mind saves me. I dream of dancing with my husband as the song says. Oh My , so lovely..Thanks Holly for posting this :)
You're welcome!
If you’re not familiar with the original, it’s pretty good, too. Not quite as sweeping musically, with the orchestra and stuff, but still just as good.
Ha, I say this around here every year
but my name’s not Rob Neyer (Jeff Sullivan, actually), so I just get laughed at.
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by Mondogarage on Jul 15, 2011 2:12 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol @ Mondo...
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Junction Rox on Jul 15, 2011 2:15 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I know you've gotten laughed at, but I don't recall it being for that specifically
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 15, 2011 2:54 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Jeff Sullivan is basically the best
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Oops.
I totally thought it was Rob Neyer. That’s what I get for just assuming he wrote it since he tweeted it.
Had you thought it was "mondogarage", you wouldn't have even linked it.
lol
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NY Post throws in their 2 cents worth...
“Better than average” chance for the Yankees to acquire Ubaldo…
/rollseyes
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this is the most un-ubaldo comment ever
According to a person familiar with the Rockies’ mindset, they believe Jimenez has pouted this year because Troy Tulowitzki and Carlos Gonzalez received contract extensions and he didn’t.
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that's exactly where I stopped reading
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by black_knight101 on Jul 15, 2011 2:32 PM MDT up reply actions
seriously
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No kidding
Seriously, what does that even mean?
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This "source" became "familiar" with the Rockies mindset by watching the ROOT commercials
Specifically, the Dinger ones.
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Of course
Ubaldo was so annoyed at the contracts that he re-programmed the pitching machine to have a super-awesome Ubaldo pitch, just to show the team what a mistake it was to not give him a huge contract, too.
And now he’s pouting because he killed his best friend, Dinger.
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But now whos going to take care of Marissa?
Or whatever her name is.
by Charlie77 on Jul 15, 2011 3:07 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
You mean Larissa?
Hey man, she’s hot.
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Obviously Jhoulys.
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you spelled maria wrong.
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I didn't know you were dating Dinger?
Walk-off wins never get old no matter how many times they happen' - Jeff Francis
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Strikeouts are boring - besides that, they're fascist. Throw some more groundballs. Its more democratic. - Crash Davis
It's PHLP
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"...buffalo chicken is a fine anti-depressant, after all." -UZ
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
And the Messiah he was speaking of was Joba.
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joba's out on tommy john, but i'd love him, starter or reliever
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if it's not tracy's fault, it's not not tracy's fault, either
That's funny. Considering they can barely understand the Yankees mindset.
I can’t fathom Ubaldo being a pouter. It’s just so not him.
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NY media is run by people who have some sort of intellectual deficiency.
WHEN THE HELL HAS UBALDO EVER SHOWN ANY NEGATIVE EMOTION TOWARD ANYONE, EVER?
If those effing idiots actually paid attention to baseball in the mountain time zone, they would have realized that, in the offseason after Troy and Carlos got there deals, O’dowd had clearly implied that Ubaldo was going to be the priority after THIS season.
/those stupid jackballs
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 15, 2011 2:43 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I prefer the word jackwaggon
Time for some of this Rockies: "One of the beautiful things about baseball is that every once in a while you come into a situation where you want to, and where you have to, reach down and prove something." Nolan Ryan
He did disapprove of the truck-stop owner who didn't have an Ubaldo license plate.
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"...buffalo chicken is a fine anti-depressant, after all." -UZ
Wtf? That’s ludicrous to assume that.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 15, 2011 2:47 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
It seriously goes against
everything that has been written about Ubaldo prior to this article.
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Exactly. What a stupid article.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 15, 2011 2:54 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Somebody who HAS NO TIE TO THE ROCKIES ORG WHATSOEVER:
According to a person familiar with the Rockies’ mindset
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 15, 2011 2:53 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
yeah they have a top pitching prospect (Banuelos)
a young MLB pitcher (Hughes) and another top prospect to be our future 1B (Montero).
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by black_knight101 on Jul 15, 2011 2:33 PM MDT up reply actions
they wouldn't part with banuelos and hughes both
but i wouldn’t rule out montero and either betances or banuelos, joba, and probably another B-. we would probably send out dex and another outfielder or EY in addition to ubaldo
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
if it's not tracy's fault, it's not not tracy's fault, either
Bear in mind the NY Post is owned by Rupert Murdoch
so they no doubt have full and hacked access to DOD’s voice mail.
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Maybe we can secretly trade them Ubadlo instead.
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by black_knight101 on Jul 15, 2011 2:34 PM MDT up reply actions
Traded to the Mets
Welcome David Wright, Jose Reyes and 3 MiLB pitching prospects…
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by Junction Rox on Jul 15, 2011 2:35 PM MDT up reply actions
He'll get his own ubbobblehead
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What would the Yankees give us for Ubaldo?
I mean, other than Banuelos and Montero, who the article says are “untouchable”.
didn't get that far
but they aren’t getting anywhere without STARTING with those two.
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by black_knight101 on Jul 15, 2011 2:36 PM MDT up reply actions
They've got Betances
Oh wait, he’s off limits too…
As usual for the NY media, the idea of who they would give up is irrelevant. The Yankees need pitching, therefore the Rockies will send them Jimenez. If the Rockies insist on getting something in return, the Yankees will find something to send them…
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by Junction Rox on Jul 15, 2011 2:41 PM MDT up reply actions
We'll give them Jim Jiminez and see if they notice.
If they do, maybe they can pass him off to the Post as a writer.
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I wouldn't even foist him upon a NY publication
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Every team west and south of The City:
Farm teams to assist the Yankees in besting the Red Sox.
Altar Boy in the Church of Santo Ubaldo
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No the national media will begin a campaign
about some obscure A and AA player that project to be absolutely awesome and play up every prospects abilities so that way it looks like a steal for Colorado
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by waterboy31321 on Jul 15, 2011 2:57 PM MDT up reply actions
Maybe we'll get the ball from Derek Jeter's 3001st hit.
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That's fair.
3000th is obviously asking too much.
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Cano Hughes and Joba
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by waterboy31321 on Jul 15, 2011 2:56 PM MDT up reply actions
1 out of 3
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by Junction Rox on Jul 15, 2011 3:03 PM MDT up reply actions
costanza for o'dowd
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i would love for george costanza to be employed at coors field
that would be hilarious.
hell, anything with george costanza is hilarious.
/watches seinfeld on netflix
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
if it's not tracy's fault, it's not not tracy's fault, either
hmmm... it seems i've been caught
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
if it's not tracy's fault, it's not not tracy's fault, either
Yeah, we can get a bunch of overhyped overrated pieces of garbages
Like Juan Miranda, Joba Chamberlin, and Ivan Nova..
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 15, 2011 2:49 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Miranda is a D'Back IIRC
But it holds true: Yanks prospects tend to be overhyped.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 15, 2011 2:55 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Miranda is just one of many of those that were or still are overhyped piles of suck
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 15, 2011 2:58 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
brett gardner, phil hughes?
hardly overhyped… and joba wasnt overhyped either, the retarded ‘joba rules’ messed him up. and i dont think anyone really thought anything great would come out of nova.
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
if it's not tracy's fault, it's not not tracy's fault, either
Nova was a pretty highly thought of prospect, no?
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 15, 2011 4:59 PM MDT up reply actions
Ehh, his minor league numbers suck
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 15, 2011 4:59 PM MDT up reply actions
he ranked high on their org chart this year, but that was just out of depth issues, since he was knocking on the door and the yankees pitching staff was in shambles
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if it's not tracy's fault, it's not not tracy's fault, either
Troy Renck weighed in on the NY Post's Ubaldo comments:
I wrote about Ubaldo stuff in post 3 weeks ago. No question rox upset w performance. But can tell u Ubaldo isn’t pouting over contract stuff
Ubaldo didn’t know how to deal w injury was embarrased bc never really been hurt. Then he didn’t trust thumb for a bit
I can tell you w 100 percent certainty he was not pouting over contract or tulo’s or cargo’s. Not the case
Oh snap...Post vs Post
battle of the Paps
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by waterboy31321 on Jul 15, 2011 3:01 PM MDT up reply actions
Oh I love this movie.
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Lineup.
Dex
Ellis
Helton
Tulo
Wiggy
Spilly
Stew
CDI
Nicasio
Well I was right about Dex hitting leadoff. Wiggy in the OF doesn’t surprise me very much (told you he’s not emergency OF Mondo ;)
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 15, 2011 3:05 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
Stewie gets the look vs. a lefty
But Smith sits? Bah!
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Yeah I would've liked to see Seth start.
I think Stew’s double to left against that LH yesterday helped his cause today
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 15, 2011 3:08 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
SMith is only slugging around .200 against lefties. Could this be why? We ALL know that he needs to start against lefties
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Wow, I was not expecting that.
Let’s hope Dex comes out firin’.
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whoever said smith plays tonight owes me a dollar.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Jul 15, 2011 3:20 PM MDT up reply actions
you can come collect it at the chicken dinner stand
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Is this the food stand
that Root will be promoting all night? I can’t wait to find out if George likes their food!!
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Probably
I had it last night…the Asian bowl stand near Helton burger shack. I thought for $8 it was pretty damn awesome and will def get again
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how big of a helping do you get?
is it your standard asian meal size?
I'd say it's a bit smaller than I would have liked for the money
but probably what I needed ;-)
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That sounds about right for a ballpark meal then.
I usually get hot dogs from the guy outside the park but I will have to try Wok in the Park one of these days.
You had me at sriracha
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How sad/confusing is it that Seth isn't playing due to two guys who were recently so bad the got demoted to AAA.
Sorry Seth you will always only be a platoon player as long as Tracy is the manager.
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But he's a special platoon player.
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by Yokel on Jul 15, 2011 3:47 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
it does annoy me. your starters are supposed to be your starters.
yes, spilly had a great game, but for all things holy let seth play. challenge him.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Jul 15, 2011 4:08 PM MDT up reply actions
Take this from a fan of the Nuggets
we just went through 3/4 of a basketball season with “types” in the NY media speculating about asinine things and flat out making stuff up about the Carmelo Anthony situation.
Stay strong. The policy with the news outlets in NY (as I’m sure you’re aware) is to make up some news when no news can be found
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im really not liking that comparison because of the outcome…
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by waterboy31321 on Jul 15, 2011 3:36 PM MDT up reply actions
Did Garner get sent down?
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ok just curious
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Via Renck, according to the lineup card it appears Garner was optioned.
And for some reason Alfonzo has replaced Pagnozzi as backup catcher.
That reason being
that they’ve lost every time Pagnozzi played? ;=)
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by Junction Rox on Jul 15, 2011 3:31 PM MDT up reply actions
I have no idea.
Seems like a lateral move (and probably a downgrade if you consider HAR). I’m thinking something happened to Pagnozzi that we didn’t know about.
I guess they wanted an offensive-minded catcher
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 15, 2011 4:36 PM MDT up reply actions
Huh this is weird. Maybe the got him confused with Seth Smith (I keed!)
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Nooooooooooooooo
I liked Pagz :( Very good defensively and even had a few clutch singles in him.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 15, 2011 3:35 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Edgardo Alfonso?
Back from the dead as a Catcher?
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by waterboy31321 on Jul 15, 2011 3:38 PM MDT up reply actions
Eliezer
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 15, 2011 3:48 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
trade one generic backup catcher for another
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
if it's not tracy's fault, it's not not tracy's fault, either
Alfonzo has some offensive upside
that’s what this team needs right now
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true
this way if CDI’s not playing there’s not a black hole in the 8 hole
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
if it's not tracy's fault, it's not not tracy's fault, either
Pagnozzi wasn't terrible
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 15, 2011 5:26 PM MDT up reply actions
From Alanna:
Jim Tracy said Pagnozzi’s optioning has NOTHING to do with his performance. They just want a better look at what Alfonzo brings.
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not ready
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 15, 2011 4:32 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
the Rockies have "a high ranking scout" watching the Yankees AAA team
According to that team’s beat writer. Difficult to say O’Dowd isn’t considering a deal now. Montero, Betances and Banuelos all play for Trenton
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 15, 2011 4:26 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
oh definitely
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 15, 2011 4:31 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I heard Michael Young was suiting up for us tonight.
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woof - Trenton is AA
Montero is in Wilkes-Barr AAA. Neither of the Bs are slated to pitch today though, so who knows what “high ranking” scout exactly means c
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 15, 2011 4:29 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Probably some random dude who owns a Rockies cap
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by Paleface Destro on Jul 15, 2011 4:35 PM MDT up reply actions
So I was right
…just that, in addition to the cap, he also has a harem, apparently
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by Paleface Destro on Jul 15, 2011 5:28 PM MDT up reply actions
we shouldn't even consider trading him. Not now, not ever. I can't believe that there is even talk about.
Already got problems with the rotation, take Ubaldo out and then you have a black hole and nothing to fill it up with. Back of the rotation pitchers? That isn’t Ubaldo.
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I could see it IF there wasn't a lot of hope for the next few years (i.e. if the "window" was closing or closed)
But even with this year’s team underachieving so far, the window is not closed by any stretch. Trading a player like Ubaldo would be saying otherwise to the team and its fans. It hurts enough when it’s true, but it’s almost unforgivable when it’s not.
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by Paleface Destro on Jul 15, 2011 4:39 PM MDT up reply actions
we dont have rotation issues if we get either of the Bs
and we have our eye on complete-game james, as we always seem to
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
if it's not tracy's fault, it's not not tracy's fault, either
Way too much smoke in the Yankees direction to assume that they're scouting the other team.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 15, 2011 4:52 PM MDT up reply actions
they're playing toledo, and the tigers are also rumored to be wanting ubaldo
but it’s kinda stupid, since S/WB is playing CS in a few days anyway
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
if it's not tracy's fault, it's not not tracy's fault, either
I might be wrong
but it looks like they’re playing Reading, a Phillies affiliate.
Gotta believe it’d be for Trenton and not Reading.
that's AA, isnt the scout at AAA?
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
if it's not tracy's fault, it's not not tracy's fault, either
I screwed up and added an A
Scout is in AA Trenton
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 15, 2011 5:21 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
no no, the scout is in AA Trenton, not S/WB
Trenton is playing Reading, so we can be pretty sure they aren’t watching them for a Ubaldo deal. The Phillies make zero sense there
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 15, 2011 5:20 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Unless the Phillies want to have the best 5-man rotation in baseball history.
o_O
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 15, 2011 5:20 PM MDT up reply actions
They could be watching for nothing to do with Ubaldo.
I could be totally wrong, but I thought I read a couple weeks ago that the Phillies were one team that were looking into Spilly. But I could be misremembering which teams were mentioned.
i remember reading that as well
he fits their needs quite nicely, theoretically
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if it's not tracy's fault, it's not not tracy's fault, either
In this context, the Spilly starts make more sense
hopefully he gets hot and we get a C prospect out of him
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Idts.
The Phillies have Ben Francisco. I’m not sure what they’d do with Spilly
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 15, 2011 5:30 PM MDT up reply actions
would they allow the llama in the clubhouse?
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once they see her with eyeblack
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
if it's not tracy's fault, it's not not tracy's fault, either
they would fall in love with her...and then she would spit in their faces.
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Yeah who really knows anymore
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 15, 2011 5:28 PM MDT up reply actions
Just some speculation
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 15, 2011 5:03 PM MDT up reply actions
Even though it's probably just people putting 1 and 1 together and thinking it works.
it does make sense though.
Yanks want a SP and they have the prospects to land Ubaldo
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 15, 2011 5:03 PM MDT up reply actions
Ubaldo is worth more than just "prospects"
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Show me a deal you think is acceptable.
The whole point of trading Ubaldo is to set yourself up for the future. I’m sure a major league-ready player could come in the trade though.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 15, 2011 5:12 PM MDT up reply actions
CC and Cano---Don't cha know. That would work for me.
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What the hell does that mean? LIke I said major league ready players for Ubaldo
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jesus montero is about as ML ready as a prospect can get, and we'd nab him for sure
betances and banuelos aren’t far off, joba will be back around the same time as DLR…
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if it's not tracy's fault, it's not not tracy's fault, either
and what does Montero play?
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we have a catcher and a pretty decent 1st baseman the last thing I knew.
If he is ready to play “now”. Then why trade one of our main players when there isn’t a spot for him. Plus, you got Rosario in the minors
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how much longer are we going to have helton?
have montero finish the year in AAA knowing that in all likelihood he’s the starting 1B next year
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if it's not tracy's fault, it's not not tracy's fault, either
Just let him be
He’s not going to be convinced and he’s not going to convince you.
and we would still Ubaldo under contract then.
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I don't understand this comment
But I’ll drop out of this conversation
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 15, 2011 5:26 PM MDT up reply actions
Isn't under contract until 2014?
That’s all Im asking here
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he has club options in 2013 and 2014
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if it's not tracy's fault, it's not not tracy's fault, either
ok thank you. That is what I was wonering
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LIke I've said, I would build the deal around Banuelos and Montero
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 15, 2011 5:21 PM MDT up reply actions
who is this Banuelos? What does he play?
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RHP
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if it's not tracy's fault, it's not not tracy's fault, either
right, betances is the RHP
d’oh
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
if it's not tracy's fault, it's not not tracy's fault, either
hmm
Maybe the Yankees will counter with Tulo and Ubaldo due Cano.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 15, 2011 5:25 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
carlos Gonzalez and even Ubaldo himself were just "prospects" once too
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 15, 2011 5:16 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Except that the prospects people are speculating about either don't play for Toledo or aren't playing today..
So it would have to be other prospects they’re looking at.
Also affiliated with different teams...:)
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by Paleface Destro on Jul 15, 2011 5:23 PM MDT up reply actions
I'd like a deal built around Montero and Banuelos.
I saw Banuelos pitch in ST and wow. SSS but damn his stuff was electric.
Montero would certainly start at 1B after Helton retires.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 15, 2011 4:53 PM MDT up reply actions
banuelos' walk rate leaves something to be desired, but the guy has big-time punchout stuff
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if it's not tracy's fault, it's not not tracy's fault, either
Yep that's been the knock on him
But he has the potential to be an ace.
And you know how the Rockies love their LH pitching.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 15, 2011 5:04 PM MDT up reply actions
But I'm 99% sure Ubaldo doesn't get traded.
It would have to be a mind-blowing awesome offer.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 15, 2011 5:06 PM MDT up reply actions
especially LHP with walk issues
we just cant get enough, it seems like
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if it's not tracy's fault, it's not not tracy's fault, either
This is fascinating.
I love Ubaldo, but we could dominate for the next decade if this plays out correctly
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This trade, if it happens, will define O’Dowd’s legacy (as well as Tulo’s, essentially).
as much as Yankees prospects are likely overhyped
they do have several blue chip prospects that fill nice gaps in our system…
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But do the Yankees even part with 2 of Montero, Betances, and Banuelos?
Because if not, the trade is off.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 15, 2011 5:34 PM MDT up reply actions
we'd probably have to throw in filler, likely dex
he’d be their RF of the future, with swisher likely leaving after this season
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if it's not tracy's fault, it's not not tracy's fault, either
Not Dex.
Not with Granderson as their RF.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 15, 2011 5:37 PM MDT up reply actions
they are already use garnder in LF
i doubt they’d see an issue with 3 CFs out there, especially with the way yankee stadium plays…. i would just think him since he’s an outfielder, and that’s what we have the most of and they have the most need of
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if it's not tracy's fault, it's not not tracy's fault, either
Then you have two corner OF with no power, which is NOT ideal at all.
It wouldn’t be Dex.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 15, 2011 5:39 PM MDT up reply actions
i dunno, i think the defense would make up for it
gardner’s showing a little pop this year, and dex has league average ish power (mid .100s ISOs throughout his career)
but we also have garner and blackmon, ey is technically OF eligible. so who knows
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if it's not tracy's fault, it's not not tracy's fault, either
dex has league average ish power
No, he really doesn’t.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 15, 2011 5:44 PM MDT up reply actions
and it would probably keep brian cashman employed after this year as well
particularly with the jury still out about CC’s opt-out
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if it's not tracy's fault, it's not not tracy's fault, either
So you guys want to see Ubaldo traded? It just seems like this is a good thing.
If they do it and this works out in our favor, great. But, if it blows up in our faces and they go down the drain. What do we have? Broken players that we got nothing to do with, and a great pitcher out there that we should’ve kept.
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that's why you play the game
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if it's not tracy's fault, it's not not tracy's fault, either
If it works out
the team is better (much) during the long-haul. If it doesn’t, O’Dowd will be on MLB Network in 2013.
and mitch williams has only gotten much, much better since joining them, so it might work out well either way
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if it's not tracy's fault, it's not not tracy's fault, either
and if Ubaldo's arm blows up after we choose not to trade him?
We have a broken pitcher and nothing to show for it while those Yankees prospects go and help some other team win a World Series. If the Rockies get multiple top players, the chances of coming out on the right side of that ledger are a lot better than they are trying to rely on the single arm.
by Rox Girl on Jul 15, 2011 5:37 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
Pitcher is probably the biggest long-term crapshoot on a team, in my mind.
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by Paleface Destro on Jul 15, 2011 5:41 PM MDT up reply actions
Which is why
even if this pans out and Betances/Banuelos becomes Ubaldo 2.0, we’ll be doing this dance again in a few years.
Yep
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by Paleface Destro on Jul 15, 2011 5:45 PM MDT up reply actions
Kinda late to the party on this one
but do you think trading Ubaldo will became a huge pr nightmare akin to the Holliday trade? I mean now the Holliday trade looks fine but at the time fans were pretty mad.
I wonder if it would be worse with a potential Ubaldo trade.
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it'll probably only happen if this season is junked anyway
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if it's not tracy's fault, it's not not tracy's fault, either
And maybe not even then, if they don't get the right return.
They don’t HAVE to trade Ubaldo like they did Holliday.
Yeah that's kind of my feeling too
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Yup
Worse, even. But let the masses kvetch.
Well, it's more than kvetch if they start cancelling season tickets.
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You're thinking too short-term.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 15, 2011 5:48 PM MDT up reply actions
Maybe so, but money talks
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they'll be renewed once montero crushes the ball and either B is putting up 0s and Ks
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if it's not tracy's fault, it's not not tracy's fault, either
exactly...
It’s not going to go over well with the fans at all, and that would enter the equation of what DO’D pulls the trigger on. If this deal gets made, like Holly mentions above, unlike the Holliday trade where the Rockies hands were pretty much tied into having to deal, in this case it would almost certainly be a clear win for the Rockies by everybody who knows how to evaluate talent.
The casual fans will revolt, but the diehard baseball nuts will almost certainly see that what’s coming back is worth it. I still think it’s very unlikely that a trade happens, but like everybody else, I’m curious, because if it does, it will almost have to be a great boon to the franchise.
by Rox Girl on Jul 15, 2011 5:50 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yep
Ubaldo is under team control for a number of years, so it’ll be hard for lots of fans to see the upside for a long time.
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by Paleface Destro on Jul 15, 2011 5:49 PM MDT up reply actions
If anyone is in the Colorado Springs area, I'll be on 1300 AM in just a few minutes
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i found a streaming thing here. it’s at commercial right now so not sure if it’s right or not.
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yup, it's right.
on now.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Jul 15, 2011 4:38 PM MDT up reply actions
Is that Jeff talking about Nicasio?
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 15, 2011 4:40 PM MDT up reply actions
Well, that was fun...it was my first time on the radio.
I literally had 15 minutes to prepare for this after I got home from work, so sorry it was a little rough. I’ll try and give a little more notice the next time I’m on.
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Aww man, I missed it.
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I'll try to get a download link posted if I can find one
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Just read the story on the supposed "pouting"
Jeez, what garbage…even hacking the cell phones of the entire Rockies roster wouldn’t give anyone THAT information. Totally not Ubaldo’s style.
Sorry that Colon and Burnett suck for ya, Yanks.
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by Paleface Destro on Jul 15, 2011 4:37 PM MDT reply actions
Colon's been pretty good.
Very surprising.
Burnett, meh. Solid.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 15, 2011 4:49 PM MDT up reply actions
True...expectations were low for Colon
Burnett’s getting paid too much to be meh, though.
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by Paleface Destro on Jul 15, 2011 4:49 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, that's the problem.
He’s making $16.5 million and his WAR is only at 1.4 on the year. He has to be around ~3 WAR to make up for the contract, and he’ll probably land just shy if he continues pitching like he’s been.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 15, 2011 4:52 PM MDT up reply actions
I like it when he laughed when he mentioned about the 12 Sunday game losing streak. I think he wanted to say something about it but he didnt.
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That he writes the game wraps for Sundays?
Haha yea me too.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 15, 2011 4:46 PM MDT up reply actions
but he didn't swallow his pride and do it.
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I almost mentioned it, but I wasn't sure that any would understand what I was talking about.
They wanted to know about Alfonzo — but when he told me on-air that he was coming up, that was the first I’d heard of it.
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Talk about a spot notice. LOL. Still did a good job of covering it up though.
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There wasn't much to talk about it though.
Pagnozzi was good as a fill-in, and the Rox just want to see what they have in Eliezer
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 15, 2011 4:55 PM MDT up reply actions
Just as the Curse of the Bambino was broken
…so, too, shall the Hex of Aberle. So shall it be written, so shall it be done.
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by Paleface Destro on Jul 15, 2011 4:47 PM MDT up reply actions
truly one of the greatest
epic camp movies of all time. I’ve even been to a viewing party where the objective of the night was to count how many times Anne Baxter said “Oh, Moses, Moses, Moses.”
Get your purple on.
Speaking of the Pirates, MLB Network
doing a nice piece on Hurdle and the Pirates.
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by Paleface Destro on Jul 15, 2011 4:50 PM MDT up reply actions
Yea, you mess with us on here with total crap and everyone will cut you down. I'll be over in teh corner laughing my butt off because I still don't understand this FIP and all those other neato things that are used nowadays.
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Hey, hey...
You just keep your FIP out of my WAR and no one will get hurt!
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by Paleface Destro on Jul 15, 2011 5:11 PM MDT up reply actions
LOL...I think I got the WAR thing down. However, all the other things, thats like reading Chinese.
I still like ERA, walks, K’s, BA, RBI’s, and the old school stuff like that
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Nothing wrong with that.
That’s what I look at mostly, along with WAR and OPS.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 15, 2011 5:16 PM MDT up reply actions
OPS, which is some type of number thingy that I dont even know what it means, and the OBP, I know what that means.
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OPS = On base + Slugging.
It’s valuable, one of the first things I look at for a hitter.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 15, 2011 5:18 PM MDT up reply actions
Gotcha, and how do you get slugging? LOL
Like I said, I don’t follow the newer stuff YET
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SLG is basically a measure of the player's ability to hit XBH
A small SLG (a SLG that is close to a player’s AVG) means that the hitter hits a lot of singles. (see: Herrera, Jonathan). A higher SLG means a hitter hits a lot of XBH (see: Bautista, Jose)
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 15, 2011 5:20 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, WAR and OPS are the two I actually understand best
Still trying to wrap my brain around FIP and xFIP (though I do know that one is park-adjusted and one is not). I’ll get there eventually.
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by Paleface Destro on Jul 15, 2011 5:22 PM MDT up reply actions
I understand those pitching metrics
But I hardly ever look at them
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 15, 2011 5:23 PM MDT up reply actions
so pretty much the guys with the higher SLG will have a lower average?
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Nooo, not at all. If a player has a higher average with a lot of XBH, they’ll have an even higher SLG
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 15, 2011 5:25 PM MDT up reply actions
SLG = TB/AB
meaning that guys with a high average have a built in advantage over guys with a low one
ok thanks
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by prettyinpurple on Jul 15, 2011 5:13 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
K-rod waives his option
brew crew now has 2 full-time closers
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if it's not tracy's fault, it's not not tracy's fault, either
waste of time and money if they cant get and keep a lead. Wait, that kind of sounds like us except for yesterday of course
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They have a winning record and they just solidified their bullpen even more.
It’s a good move all the way around
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 15, 2011 5:36 PM MDT up reply actions
greinke and gallardo should only see better results in the second half
and braun, fielder, hart, weeks, the morgan/gomez platoon…. they wont have much problems getting leads
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
if it's not tracy's fault, it's not not tracy's fault, either
Well, the Brewers are a terrible road team
Not too surprising we beat up on them. :)
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by Paleface Destro on Jul 15, 2011 5:42 PM MDT up reply actions
/MillerParkEffect
Seriously, some of their home/road splits this year make me think no one should bag on Rockies players for a while…
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by Paleface Destro on Jul 15, 2011 5:45 PM MDT up reply actions
Well, I was just referring to the First-Game-of-a-Coors-Field-Series Effect.
The Rockies have the advantage in those, no doubt
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 15, 2011 5:46 PM MDT up reply actions
that would be a fascinating study to see
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
if it's not tracy's fault, it's not not tracy's fault, either
It's common sense if anything.
The Rockies play half their games in Coors Field, so they’re used to the effects. When other teams come in, they’re a lot less familiar so they’d have more trouble generally
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Jul 15, 2011 5:48 PM MDT up reply actions
i once read a piece on hardball times or something about rockies away performances,
and hitters and pitchers started road trips poorly, then both improved their road performances as more road games were played… i’d certainly expect it to apply to everyone else
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
if it's not tracy's fault, it's not not tracy's fault, either
Yes, exactly.
That’s what we call the “Reverse Coors Effect”.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Jul 15, 2011 5:54 PM MDT up reply actions
Ah, okay
I can see it, actually, especially when you have to exert yourself. I know the first couple of times I had to mow my lawn after moving to Colorado, I felt it.
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The 2011 Rockies: More extreme than Colorado's weather
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by Paleface Destro on Jul 15, 2011 5:50 PM MDT up reply actions
Not only about exerting yourself.
More about the movement (or lack of) of pitches.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Jul 15, 2011 5:55 PM MDT up reply actions
Well, yes, there is also that
But since I don’t swing at sliders, I have to go with what I know. :)
Paleface Destro: The Resident Smartass of the Ubaldo Lovers Club
The 2011 Rockies: More extreme than Colorado's weather
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by Paleface Destro on Jul 15, 2011 5:59 PM MDT up reply actions
you dont swing at sliders? can you play 3rd?
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
if it's not tracy's fault, it's not not tracy's fault, either
I can hit homers with incredible regularity
Paleface Destro: The Resident Smartass of the Ubaldo Lovers Club
The 2011 Rockies: More extreme than Colorado's weather
I snark because I care.
by Paleface Destro on Jul 15, 2011 6:16 PM MDT up reply actions
unless god forbid there's someone on base ahead of you, in which case you completely collapse as a baseball player
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
if it's not tracy's fault, it's not not tracy's fault, either
/faints
Paleface Destro: The Resident Smartass of the Ubaldo Lovers Club
The 2011 Rockies: More extreme than Colorado's weather
I snark because I care.
by Paleface Destro on Jul 15, 2011 6:17 PM MDT up reply actions
Andrew, thanks for the shout-out...
I was out playing golf all day or I would have said so earlier.
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