Rockies Crushed by Diamondbacks 7-0, Extend Sunday Losing Streak to 14
by Jeff Aberle on Jul 24, 2011 5:10 PM MDT
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Today was just one of those days in which nothing went right for the Colorado Rockies, resulting in a loss. In other words, it was pretty much a normal Sunday afternoon in 2011. Colorado extended its Sunday losing streak to 14 with a meager 5 hit effort off the pitching juggernaut duo Micah Owings and Zach Duke, never advancing a runner past second base thanks in large part to the fact that the majority of the hits were erased by three double plays.
Ubaldo Jimenez only lasted five innings on the mound, and while he struck out eight men in that time, he also allowed five runs on five hits and hit two batters to get the loss (6-9). Justin Upton was the primary Rockie killer today, going 4-4 with two doubles and a broken bat triple that hit off the top of the right-field wall, driving in three runs in the process.
I've tried being optimistic, pessimistic, theistic, nihilistic, and even a little fatalistic when watching them play, but none of these attitudes have helped the Rockies win a Sunday game in the last 97 days. It's been a trying summer for this intrepid writer, that's for sure.
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We Salute: Ty Wigginton (2-3, .014 WPA) and Huston Street (scoreless inning of relief) weren't terrible
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I would love to hear arguments why this roster doesn't need a substantial overhaul for next season.
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by Muzia on Jul 24, 2011 5:11 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Depends on your definition of ‘substantial’, I guess. Do they need a bunch of new pieces? I’m not sure of that yet. But do they need a serious talent infusion at certain spots? No arguing that.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
Muzia seems to want a rebuild
From what I can gather… He’s not Tulo guy from what I understand. Start there.
by rururuland784 on Jul 24, 2011 5:28 PM MDT up reply actions
I don't think Muzia wants Tulo gone, even if he hates him.
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I don't think so either
I think he just dislikes all the adoration and love he gets (although he did like Smith too, Greg that is)
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Don't quite understand how you can be a fan of a team
if you don’t like its best player, particularly a guy like Tulo. Maybe that’s me, I just find it quite odd.
by rururuland784 on Jul 24, 2011 5:33 PM MDT up reply actions
I get it.
I don’t particularly like Tebow. If he ends up the Broncos QB I’ll still root for him, but it doesn’t mean I have to like him.
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I’m the biggest Broncos hater in the Western Hemisphere and even I like Tim Tebow. He’s, like, the nicest kid ever.
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Good for you.
My point is that I don’t have to like him personally to root for him as a Bronco.
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I just don’t know how Tim Tebow could be unlikable. But it wouldn’t be the first time you and I don’t see eye to eye, I suppose.
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He's a strong personality, just like Tulo
I understand the comparison
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I find many things about Tebow
dislikeable. But that’s not the point.
Now if we all thought Spilly was dislikeable then that would be unbelievable.
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(I don’t find Spilly particularly funny)
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by prettyinpurple on Jul 24, 2011 5:46 PM MDT up reply actions
But do you like him?
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He's likeable, sure
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There you go.
I’m not a big fan of Lindstrom. Don’t know why really….just bugs me.
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Matt Lindstrom?
Yeah, I never liked him.
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by prettyinpurple on Jul 24, 2011 5:51 PM MDT up reply actions
hey, join the club
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 24, 2011 7:55 PM MDT up reply actions
another broncos fan who doesn't like tebow??!
finally! now we can get crucified together!
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i dont care if it's tracy's fault or not, i want heads to roll
I'm teetering on the Tebow wagon.
I don’t know if I should jump on…
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by prettyinpurple on Jul 24, 2011 5:49 PM MDT up reply actions
Read his autobiography
to find out if you should.
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Okey doke.
I’ll go put it on hold at the library.
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by prettyinpurple on Jul 24, 2011 5:58 PM MDT up reply actions
I don't hate him or anything, he just bugs me.
I think it’s mostly because the media elevated him so quickly to being the next Elway that it probably just rubbed me the wrong way. But you know I’ll still root for the guy to do well.
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The
cult of personality is a dangerous thing.
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Yes it is.
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Great song though
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I'm a Gator.
Tebow was a phenomenal force on the football field, but the personal stuff is partially hype directed toward proselytization. That’s annoying, and I’m a pretty religious guy.
I don’t know what he is like as a person, but I’ve grown to dislike that part of him.
by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 24, 2011 5:52 PM MDT up reply actions
I doubt Tebow will ever be the best Bronco though.
Even if he is the starting QB.
by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 24, 2011 5:37 PM MDT up reply actions
I love the Rockies.
I don;t really like Tulo. I appreciate his skills. I also like his off-the-field exploits. I don’t particularly like his on-the-field persona though.
by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 24, 2011 5:35 PM MDT up reply actions
Andrew Martin summed it up pretty well below
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the more big hits late and close tulo fails to get, and the more it looks like his new strike-zone approach may be to his detriment, the less i like him
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i dont care if it's tracy's fault or not, i want heads to roll
he dislikes Tulo the person
He’d never move Tulo the SS
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 24, 2011 5:32 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
haha
ok I suppose. What’s his beef with “Tulo the person.” Passed over in the autograph line?
by rururuland784 on Jul 24, 2011 5:37 PM MDT up reply actions
But everyone gets passed over in the autograph line.
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by prettyinpurple on Jul 24, 2011 5:38 PM MDT up reply actions
I think he's a great player
I wouldn’t have a beer with him.
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Even if he paid?
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I can afford my own beer.
It wouldn’t be worth the awkward conversation
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I would laugh if you did have a beer with him
and then found out that you got along really well.
That’s happened to me IRL. A person I despised and I were working at a convention. We sat down and had a beer and found out why we hated each other. Became friends afterward.
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I would still pay to see the awkward conversation...
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by prettyinpurple on Jul 24, 2011 5:43 PM MDT up reply actions
I would too.
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I think I would have a beer with him,
because he seems to be a good guy off-the-field. It’s his “everybody’s all-american” on-the-field antics that I dislike.
I don’t think that carries over in his personal life though, not that I have any idea what he is like personally.
by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 24, 2011 5:40 PM MDT up reply actions
I just don't want anything to do with him.
I’ve made my arguments ad nauseum here before, and don’t feel like repeating myself today.
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Yeah, this discussion is SO 2010.
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by prettyinpurple on Jul 24, 2011 5:42 PM MDT up reply actions
Not everyone was here for those discussions though
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We could link it.
/paging RIRF
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by prettyinpurple on Jul 24, 2011 5:43 PM MDT up reply actions
One day, I'll type up a google doc and link it in my sig
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Somehow I have a hard time imagining
You’d be qualified to make a personal judgement about Tulo, maybe i don’t know the story
Is it just that you don’t like the guy’s persona? Interview? Alpha-qualities on the field? Punch-face kind of thing?
by rururuland784 on Jul 24, 2011 5:51 PM MDT up reply actions
You know how everyone hates Brian Wilson from the Giants?
I see him and Tulo as similar types of baseball players.
We all hate Wilson because he plays for San Fran, I just don’t like Tulo even though he plays for Colorado.
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I'd hate Wilson even if I was a Giants fan
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I like Wilson's persona
It’s kind of cliche but whatever.
by rururuland784 on Jul 24, 2011 5:54 PM MDT up reply actions
I don't know if Wilson is the right comparison.
But I get the point.
by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 24, 2011 5:55 PM MDT up reply actions
That works too
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Except he does better under pressure
as does Wilson I guess.
by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 24, 2011 5:56 PM MDT up reply actions
See, but if an arrogant guy like Brady was on my team
love it
by rururuland784 on Jul 24, 2011 5:57 PM MDT up reply actions
But Muzia doesn't like Tulo
persona, so I fail to see how this resolves anything
by rururuland784 on Jul 24, 2011 5:58 PM MDT up reply actions
I also dislike his lack of late game production
his penchant for lollipop throws, his uppercut homerun swing that shows up on occasion, the constant GIDP…
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So it has nothing to do with his persona
But his weaknesses as a player?
Or is it both?
And I;ve never heard Tulo get criticized for lollipop throws… I’ve heard him get criticized for over-throwing, however
by rururuland784 on Jul 24, 2011 6:07 PM MDT up reply actions
Both. Everything.
I do love his glove, however….
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Just not his lollipop throws
and that 920 OPS the last three years
by rururuland784 on Jul 24, 2011 6:32 PM MDT up reply actions
For me the point is that we like Tulo because he is on our team,
but we might not like him if he wasn’t. So, you saying that you would love Brady if he were on your team is equivalent to saying that you love Tulo.
by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 24, 2011 6:00 PM MDT up reply actions
But Muzia only likes Tulo's production
Not Tulo’s persona.
Pat fans like Brady’s persona.
by rururuland784 on Jul 24, 2011 6:05 PM MDT up reply actions
Except for Muzia
That’s who we are talking about
by rururuland784 on Jul 24, 2011 6:07 PM MDT up reply actions
And me.
But that was the point. Anyway, not worth much more going over.
by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 24, 2011 6:08 PM MDT up reply actions
Brady is arrogant?
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i've never heard a bad word about tom brady that isn't generic /patriothate
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haha
it’s pretty well-accepted that’s his reputation
by rururuland784 on Jul 24, 2011 6:00 PM MDT up reply actions
accepted by whom? i'm a big pats fan, and i've never heard that
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i dont care if it's tracy's fault or not, i want heads to roll
Antonio Pierce called him out for
it. He’s an extremely self-confident human being. That doesn’t always come through in the words you say, though I’m certain there are quite a few examples of it.
by rururuland784 on Jul 24, 2011 6:04 PM MDT up reply actions
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait
You’re a Yankees fan AND a Patriots fan??? Who’s your NBA team, the Lakers?
Ouch
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by Paleface Destro on Jul 24, 2011 7:34 PM MDT up reply actions
isn't brady famously a low-key, really nice guy?
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i dont care if it's tracy's fault or not, i want heads to roll
That's kind of what I recollect.
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One of my college friends wrote and performed a song called F--- You Tom Brady!
It’s really very good. I don’t like that guy (yes, irrationally).
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i love brian wilson
i hate that he plays for the giants
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i dont care if it's tracy's fault or not, i want heads to roll
So, perhaps you don't like players
that exhibit high levels of self-confidence?
by rururuland784 on Jul 24, 2011 5:56 PM MDT up reply actions
My favorite player of all time is Todd Helton.
Tulo is no Helton.
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You like self-deprecators?
Tulo’s personality, it can be argued, is one of the biggest reasons this franchise turned it around.
BTW, my friend covers the Rockies as an associate reporter for MLB.com, and Helton is pretty much insane
by rururuland784 on Jul 24, 2011 6:01 PM MDT up reply actions
think ruth and gehrig
tulo is ruth, helton is gehrig
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Big difference between
arrogance and self confidence.
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And I'm not saying Tulo is arrogant.
He is self confident. Oh never mind.
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I know.
But I think it’s unfair to mix what you see through the media with having any idea what he is like as a person, unless you have some kind of inside information.
You don’t need to go further than that. I agree with your distaste for him as a player. I’m not sure I can make the stretch to saying that that has anything to do with him as a man.
by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 24, 2011 5:46 PM MDT up reply actions
He could be a fantastic person
but as a fan, I can only base my opinions on limited info
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Right.
That’s all I’m saying. And I agree with your ideas on this 99%.
by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 24, 2011 5:48 PM MDT up reply actions
Muzia doesn't have distaste for him as a player.....
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Well, I am annoyed by aspects of his game
but there’s basically no one else I would trade him for on the field
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Well there you go.
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This.
Tulo is a pretty passionate baseball player, we all know it. He thinks very highly of himself.
But to think that Tulo is a bad guy OFF the field is a stretch, in my mind. It doesn’t necessarily correlate.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 24, 2011 5:44 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
"Bad" is probably the wrong word to use.
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by prettyinpurple on Jul 24, 2011 5:46 PM MDT up reply actions
I don't think anyone has said they think Tulo is a "bad" person
Just don’t like him. That’s all. Tebow is probably a great person, he just bugs me.
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Would you have preferred 'jerk'?
The connotation is the same.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 24, 2011 5:51 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Huh? Who said Tulo was a jerk?
I don’t think Tebow is a jerk, but he just bugs me and annoys me.
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That's not the argument about Tulo.
You’re comparing apples and oranges here.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 24, 2011 6:07 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Huh? I'm so lost.
I thought that is exactly what we are talking about…..I’m using Tebow as an example of not liking a player that is on a team that I like.
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No, cat. This isn’t about having an irrational dislike about Tulo.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 24, 2011 6:12 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
What?
Who says my dislike about Tebow is irrational? I think it’s perfectly rational.
I think Muzia’s opinion of Tulo is rational as well for his own viewpoint.
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You JUST said Tebow 'bugs and annoys you'
That’s irrational, and what I was referring to.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 24, 2011 6:18 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Tebow bothers me too.
I gave a rational explanation above. It’s not irrational.
by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 24, 2011 6:19 PM MDT up reply actions
I chose not to go into
why he bugs and annoys me. And I’m leaving it that way. But it’s not irrational. It was just unclarified.
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by SDcat09 on Jul 24, 2011 6:20 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ah, okay then.
I just went by that comment.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 24, 2011 6:21 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
It seems that it the argument is actually that you say somebody has said Tulo's a bad person.
And everybody else is saying that we haven’t seen anybody say that Tulo’s a bad person, just that his personality can be grating.
This was my point exactly.
I agree with Muzia about Tulo. I just don’t think that I can stretch this to knowing him as a person.
Barry Bonds is probably the biggest baseball a-hole since the racists during the integration era. Yet, he is paying for the college of the kid of the Giants fan who got attacked. He did this quietly so that no-one would know, but the kid’s family let it out.
Is he probably still an a-hole? Maybe, but it’s really hard to tell since all I know of him is his public persona as reported to me by the media. So, I can only say I dislike him as a player, but not as a man.
by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 24, 2011 6:18 PM MDT up reply actions
It's definitely been implied though.
Agreed about his on the field personality though. It just struck me as a stretch to apply it to Tulo’s personal life.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 24, 2011 6:20 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't see where that was implied at all.
Maybe you inferred more so than Muzia implied? (I’ve done the same thing myself on various topics)
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Perhaps
Yeah, the more this conversation goes on the more I hate the adjective ‘bad’ in this case.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 24, 2011 6:26 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
A Badjective.
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I think you're taking what has been implied to an extreme that isn't actually being implied.
There are degrees of off-putting personalities that come well before someone’s usual labeled a “bad person” or a “jerk.”
That's fair enough.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Jul 24, 2011 6:27 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
But hasn't Muzia said he doesn't like Tulo
by rururuland784 on Jul 24, 2011 6:30 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm allowed to be irrational
and I’ve listed quite a few reasons why he irks me. I don’t know what else has to be said.
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But that doesn't mean he thinks he's a jerk or a bad person.
You can dislike someone without that person being a bad person.
There are degrees and shades to these things
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Ok. I give up
The rationalize-Muzia’s-irrational-dislike-of -Tulo Club wins
by rururuland784 on Jul 24, 2011 6:33 PM MDT up reply actions
Well, as long as you
go for marginalization only with no continuum you should.
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I think I'm losing steam against the
contrarian club as well.
by rururuland784 on Jul 24, 2011 6:36 PM MDT up reply actions
Contrarian club?
What? Because someone doesn’t agree with you that makes them a contrarian?
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one is an accident
two is a coincidence and three is a trend
by rururuland784 on Jul 24, 2011 6:39 PM MDT up reply actions
Individual thought is encouraged around here
as long as you can defend your views.
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And that's good
For the record, I love defending my views too and attack those I don’t agree with.
The white blood cells on PR are strong, and that can be a good thing. I’m not here to break her defenses.
by rururuland784 on Jul 24, 2011 6:44 PM MDT up reply actions
She may be in for a challenging offseason.
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I don't think there's any question about that
And personally, I think it’s ok to peel back the decorum a tad and let folks vents during these trying times.
It’s obviously nothing personal .
I’ve lurked here for some time and quite honestly, it generates some of the smartest, clever discussions on blogs that I’ve seen. And I don;t think you can chage that fabric, not with the regulars here.
by rururuland784 on Jul 24, 2011 6:49 PM MDT up reply actions
It's a hell of a lot of fun for sure
…and I’ve found that when I get called out, I usually deserve it.
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by Paleface Destro on Jul 24, 2011 6:52 PM MDT up reply actions
That's why you fit well.
It can be a challenge. There will be times when you’ll have the mainstream position, times you won’t.
It's great that sort of balance is accepted
majority rules minority rights
by rururuland784 on Jul 24, 2011 6:51 PM MDT up reply actions
Seconded
I’ve really enjoyed having you around, ruru
We’ve had some fascinating discussions so far.
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And?
There may be days when you find tacit agreement on given subjects. But maybe you are the leader of the contrarian club?
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There's no right answer to that.
Think about it.
by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 24, 2011 6:43 PM MDT up reply actions
We usually do
Tons of practice, you know ;)
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This.
Tulo is a pretty passionate baseball player, we all know it. He thinks very highly of himself.
But to think that Tulo is a bad guy OFF the field is a stretch, in my mind. It doesn’t necessarily correlate. Especially since Tulo has had all of ZERO problems off the field.
I don’t understand the Tulo bashing on a personal level. He plays like a whiny kid sometimes, but I doubt it translates into his life sans baseball.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 24, 2011 5:46 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
as far as I can see, there are only three players who should be 100% certain of having a job here next year
Tulo, Cargo, and Helton.
There need to be serious organizational changes on the major league level.
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completely agree
something just doesn’t click, and we’re seeing it for the second year in a row
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
i dont care if it's tracy's fault or not, i want heads to roll
What the criteria for keeping them
and not Ubaldo, Chacin and Nicasio?
by rururuland784 on Jul 24, 2011 5:53 PM MDT up reply actions
Nicasio could use some seasoning
Chacin likely isn’t going anywhere.
But the only players 100% certain of a starting role next Opening Day should be the three named above
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Most direct route to franchise-altering talent infusion.
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still 1 week left to see if he even finishes the season with us
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
i dont care if it's tracy's fault or not, i want heads to roll
Ubaldo’s the one player who could realistically be traded and bring back the amount of high-end talent that could change the fortunes of the franchise.
But saying anymore would give us all a feeling of deja vu, me thinks.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
We wouldn't want to re-hash topics
Pardon me
by rururuland784 on Jul 24, 2011 6:09 PM MDT up reply actions
we've already had like what, 3 1000-comment rockpiles about it?
what more could there be?
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
i dont care if it's tracy's fault or not, i want heads to roll
7 more days until the deadline...
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MLBTR's been mercifully quiet about it
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
i dont care if it's tracy's fault or not, i want heads to roll
Apparently there is still interest in the topic
But we shouldn’t force certain eyes to see it.
by rururuland784 on Jul 24, 2011 6:11 PM MDT up reply actions
You know what I want?
I’m realizing it’s less about filling positional needs at this point. I want some mental toughness. I want some guys who would run through a freaking wall to win a game, I want some guys without ego, who would rather chew glass than fail to move a runner to third. And I want guys who will get in the face of anyone else who isn’t playing the same way.
I don’t care about clubhouse harmony, or if everyone loves each other. I want winners. Dan, identify those guys and do whatever it takes to bring ’em here.
by evers44 on Jul 24, 2011 5:34 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Substantial overhaul?
Why does everyone ignore the incredible importance of the mental part of this game? The most talented team almost NEVER wins. (were the Giants really the most talented team in the league last year? uh….) And I don’t care how we have played, this is the most “talented” Rockies team I have ever watched. This is also, hands down, the most frustrating sports team I have ever rooted for. I can’t stand watching this team, because what they are, and what they can be, so rarely matches up. Baseball is all about mental toughness, confidence, and team chemistry. Most everyone in baseball is incredibly talented, so it comes down to the group of players who can most consistently perform at a high level. And consistency is all about the mental side of the game. This is a mentally broken team. And that falls squarely on the head coaches shoulders. I understand the argument that there is “no one better” than Tracy at this point. But I’m not a huge fan of doing nothing just because there is not an obvious solution. He overmanages and makes questionable decisions all the time. He is the least favorite person I have ever listened to in a press conference. And he has completely lost control of the mental state of the clubhouse. I was willing to put up with his inconsistent strategical decisions, because he seemed to be able to push the right buttons mentally and emotionally in ‘09 and early ’10. But whatever control he once had, is completely gone. And I’m sick of him. At this point, does anyone really think that someone could do a worse job? I mean, this season is over so do we really care if we finish in 3rd or last? I don’t. With this kind of talent, it should be World Series or bust EVERY season. Tracy is not going to bring us there. It’s time for a “substantial overhaul,” but hopefully in the coaching staff first.
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by ZTC_87 on Jul 24, 2011 6:04 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
I believe the coaching staff will be held accountable as well.
Question: When was the last time we had the same hitting coach for more than a single season?
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maybe that's part of the problem?
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
indeed.
this option looks more and more attractive with every L
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
i dont care if it's tracy's fault or not, i want heads to roll
Well, I wouldn't say "attractive"
but likely? Sure.
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I know I'll probably get hammered for this but
even with all the talent in the world, sometimes there is a thing called “chemistry” that you just can’t explain.
I mean look at the Giants. They don’t have all the talent in the world, but they manage to win and sometimes that’s just the way it is.
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Agreed.
But, I made the argument that they were more talented that the Rockies the other day. I got absolutely hammered for it. I still think that that is the case. We undersell some of their talent because they’re rivals, but it isn’t all chemistry with them. Just like it isn’t just that we lack chemistry. I think it’s that we lack chemistry AND talent. This is a big problem.
by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 24, 2011 6:13 PM MDT up reply actions
I think we're a talented team
but not talented enough to overcome the problems that we’ve run into the past two years (injuries, slumps, bad luck, etc.). But when things roll our way, we have the talent to make it to the playoffs. The thing is, things don’t always roll our way, so we need to be a more talented team to overcome these types of issues.
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by black_knight101 on Jul 24, 2011 8:37 PM MDT up reply actions
I don't believe the 'most talented team almost never wins'
I think that’s very false
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Jul 24, 2011 6:09 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I understand what he was getting at, it just could have been worded a little more artfully. I think ‘the most talented teams don’t win on talent alone’ is closer to the crux of his argument.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
Yes, that's what I took from his post too.
It just struck me as odd that anyone would suggest that.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Jul 24, 2011 6:14 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
There is something to say about winning cultures
Teams that continually win with new players. That’s an interesting phenomena to attempt to describe.
by rururuland784 on Jul 24, 2011 6:22 PM MDT up reply actions
yeah, i'm thinking late-90s yankees as good example
the late-2000s phillies, 90s braves…
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
i dont care if it's tracy's fault or not, i want heads to roll
Here's the best argument so far
Also, because you touch yourself, that’s why.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I was there. Again.
And I’m not sure why I’m subjecting myself… And my family… to such suffering.
This team is done. Toast. Burnt.
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by trekinaz on Jul 24, 2011 5:13 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
I like your sig. Never noticed it before.
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by prettyinpurple on Jul 24, 2011 5:27 PM MDT up reply actions
It's new.
I knew I needed to change my sig, as I’d had the old one for about a year, but if I changed it to something reflecting the current state of affairs with the ballclub, it would be too depressing.
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by Franchise26 on Jul 24, 2011 5:14 PM MDT reply actions 4 recs
So....
Mental errors? Check,
Bad fielding? Check
Utter lack of offense? Check.
Making marginal pitchers look like Sandy Koufax? Check.
Yep, about the 50th game this year for which the phrase “microcosm of a season” fits.
Welp.
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by prettyinpurple on Jul 24, 2011 5:16 PM MDT reply actions 8 recs
REC'D
How do you get your kids to behave? Threaten not to take them to a Rockies game. They straighten up REAL QUICK.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
That's what I was thinking
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this is also the day I officially am waving the white flag
I’ve never done so before the the trade deadline before, mostly because I never had a white flag to wave in seasons they were never meant to contend
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 24, 2011 5:59 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
....we're about to heat up?
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I wish they could play steady baseball. Not kick ass for one game, and then go to crap for the next 5 games. This will get you nowhere
How do you get your kids to behave? Threaten not to take them to a Rockies game. They straighten up REAL QUICK.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
...except pushed aside for the Donkeys once the lockout ends.
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by Paleface Destro on Jul 24, 2011 5:18 PM MDT up reply actions
Come on, like they’re going to do any better than 2-14 on Sundays either.
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by Franchise26 on Jul 24, 2011 5:18 PM MDT up reply actions 4 recs
Well, sure, but it'll still be all ZOMGBRONCOS like it is every fall around here.
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by Paleface Destro on Jul 24, 2011 5:19 PM MDT up reply actions
At least the Broncos are interesting when they lose
Some interesting characters, lots of drama.
The Rockies are not just losers, they’re dull losers. That’s way worse.
Yeah, I don't get it this year
The whole team is just…flat in every way. Dull to watch. Nondescript.
The Wonder bread of sports teams.
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by Paleface Destro on Jul 24, 2011 5:22 PM MDT up reply actions
But they're nice guys
And you know what Leo Durocher said about nice guys.
Yep
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by Paleface Destro on Jul 24, 2011 5:23 PM MDT up reply actions
I see them going 1-15. But that is probably because I don't like the Donkeys.
I know, I know. Let me have it. AND GO
How do you get your kids to behave? Threaten not to take them to a Rockies game. They straighten up REAL QUICK.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
I am right there with you
I only adopted 1.5 teams when I moved here. The Donks were NOT one.
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by Paleface Destro on Jul 24, 2011 5:21 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm with you.
And I’m a “Broncos fan” per se.
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by prettyinpurple on Jul 24, 2011 5:22 PM MDT up reply actions
You're apparently not alone
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JFK
Oh that's a rec for sure
Wait, what's his real name? We should make a joke out of that.
by BrandonHawpe on Jul 24, 2011 5:34 PM MDT up reply actions
Watching this team, Jim Tracy cannot possible return next season to manage.....
…can he?
And yet, I expect that he will.
Many more efforts like this one today, and I suspect he won’t. And that’s the first time all season I’ve felt like that.
This isn’t me saying FIAR THIS GUY HE IS THE SUCKS but if a crappy team’s going to mail it in for two months, their manager isn’t going to last very long, no matter who he is.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
I'm rarely a "blame the skipper" guy....
but the one thing that’s clearly in the manager’s job description is getting his team ready to play. The Rockies mental errors and incredibly poor situational hitting have to fall on his shoulders.
I really feel like this team is quitting on him and the season
Just lifeless play…
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by Paleface Destro on Jul 24, 2011 5:23 PM MDT up reply actions
And I get it if teams quit in August when they're 20 out....
…but this team still had hope coming out of the all star break, and didn’t show any extra spark at all. That’s on the managers AND the players. AND on the organization for grooming players and coaches who will allow it to happen.
No heroes here.
Agreed
Attitude is a top-to-bottom thing
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by Paleface Destro on Jul 24, 2011 5:25 PM MDT up reply actions
I think some of it is trade rumors
Not a lot has gone right for this team. I do think the Rockies need to be enriched with more mentally tough players, but this is a really tough time. Frankly, I think we miss a rah-rah guy like Yorvit.
by rururuland784 on Jul 24, 2011 5:31 PM MDT up reply actions
I can see that
Then again, a lot of these guys have been around long enough to know how the rumor mill works, but I do see where it would wear on you, especially the Ubaldo rumors.
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by Paleface Destro on Jul 24, 2011 5:33 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah
But I think this is really the first year since 2008 that guys knew changes were around the corner.
Recall how apathetic the team seemed when Holliday was in a contract year.
by rururuland784 on Jul 24, 2011 5:34 PM MDT up reply actions
True
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by Paleface Destro on Jul 24, 2011 5:35 PM MDT up reply actions
I think that’s a real stretch to say 2008 had anything to do with Holliday’s contract status.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
OK
It’s a theory. Wouldn’t be the first time a team underachieved when one of its core players (its best player) was known to be on his way out.
by rururuland784 on Jul 24, 2011 5:39 PM MDT up reply actions
Right
the worst part of 2008 was April and May. They played hard all the way through the rest of the season, were “only” 5 games out of the wild card in early September IIRC.
Wait, what's his real name? We should make a joke out of that.
by BrandonHawpe on Jul 24, 2011 5:40 PM MDT up reply actions
Every team deals with rumors this time of the year
And plus. this team still played like crap when we were viewed as buyers, not sellers.
I don't know how one can tell whether a player is
mentally tough or not.
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Well, I've made that argument myself
It’s not something you can really quantify.
by rururuland784 on Jul 24, 2011 5:35 PM MDT up reply actions
Not following.
You said above you think they aren’t mentally tough. What makes you think this.
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Situational play
RISP
It seems to me that once things go wrong, the mental and physical miscues pile up. Pitchers don’t recover to make big pitches when other teams make rallies (they miss location or make a poor pitch selection).
The team simply doesn’t react well to adversity. It’s not really something that can be statistically proven, and I’m not sure it’s static.
They’ve played like front-runners this year.
by rururuland784 on Jul 24, 2011 5:42 PM MDT up reply actions
Okay. Didn't mean to make you defensive. Just wondering why you thought what you though.
They’ve played like front-runners this year.
Say what?
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That's a phrase that means
They play well when they’re leading or ahead and play poorly in tight or adverse situations (generally speaking)
See:Denver Nuggets
by rururuland784 on Jul 24, 2011 5:46 PM MDT up reply actions
They seem lifeless...
I’ve been to a few games this year, and the team just seems dead. It’s hard to point out exactly. I might be a bit old fashion, but I like to see a team running out grounders, and running on and off the field. They just seem to lack the spark of a team who really wants to win, I get the impression some of the guys are moving onto next season. Someone needs to start throwing furniture around the clubhouse.
He's signed through 2012.
That may play a factor.
by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 24, 2011 5:34 PM MDT up reply actions
So, that season happened.
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Man, I hate the July Fork.
It’s one thing to have the fork stuck in you in September — not too many meaningless games to gut out….football’s starting…some new crap to watch on TV.
Even the August Fork isn’t too horrible.
But to have the Fork stuck in you while it’s still July, knowing that we’ve got two plus months of meaningless baseball ahead? That sucks.
My theory on the Fork
is when they get there, they should take it.
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In some uncomfortable places, it would appear
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by Paleface Destro on Jul 24, 2011 5:36 PM MDT up reply actions
Indeed
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by Paleface Destro on Jul 24, 2011 7:40 PM MDT up reply actions
Silver lining
And I’m not being sarcastic- lots of great seats available at Coors. Pretty easy to buy a Rockpile ticket and sneak in somewhere on the first deck.
Wait, what's his real name? We should make a joke out of that.
by BrandonHawpe on Jul 24, 2011 5:35 PM MDT up reply actions
And go to watch what exactly?
I don’t think I’d pay to watch what I saw today. I would go just to do something
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I'd still pay to see them,
and have paid, because I love baseball.
by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 24, 2011 5:38 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
They're a train wreck at Chase
I would never pay to see them there. Gotta be under .400 there in the last 10 years or so. I bet their winning percentage during that time is higher at Dodger Stadium, impossible as that sounds. But I’ll pay to see them at Coors.
Wait, what's his real name? We should make a joke out of that.
by BrandonHawpe on Jul 24, 2011 5:38 PM MDT up reply actions
Well, Kyle Parker hit 2 more home runs today
6 in his last 7 games….
Wonder if he get a few abs at Modesto so we can see him @ Tulsa next year.
Screw that. Get him in LA tomorrow! What else do we have to lose besides more games?
How do you get your kids to behave? Threaten not to take them to a Rockies game. They straighten up REAL QUICK.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
Have you seen the Rockies luck this season?
Send him to LA and he’ll break his ankle stepping off the plane. No bueno.
I agree, but what if he goes out there and hits 3 homers? Very unlikely it would happen though
How do you get your kids to behave? Threaten not to take them to a Rockies game. They straighten up REAL QUICK.
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I know you're not serious, but seriously...
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by Muzia on Jul 24, 2011 5:39 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
you do?
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 24, 2011 6:03 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
given roxman4ever's... eccentric posts
he may well be being serious
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i dont care if it's tracy's fault or not, i want heads to roll
Oh idk, ruining his development this ruining the player.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 24, 2011 5:40 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
greg reynolds has won all of his starts this year
i keed, i keed
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One thing I noticed today – the Diamondbacks have a GREAT offensive approach. Everything’s back up the middle or the other way. That’s exactly what you’re supposed to do up at the plate. I’m really impressed by them.
Who’s their hitting coach, anyway?
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
Which just makes things more confusing....
but also points to the fact that it may be the Rox players not the hitting coaches to blame.
Or it may be that,organizationally, the Rox are instilling habits in minor leaguers that cant be changed at the big league levels.
Or, and this is my personal favorite theory, who the hell knows?
That last one could be the title for the Rockies 2011 highlight film.
Alternate suggestions:
-“What The Hell, Seriously”
-“And Tulo Skies That One On The Infield”
-“Mayday, Mayday!”
-“Not In A Very Good Place”
-“Leaving Them Stranded”
-“Chacin Misses High For Ball Four”
-“Hey, Remember Two Years Ago?”
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by Franchise26 on Jul 24, 2011 5:46 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
"Anatomy of a Steaming Pile"
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by Paleface Destro on Jul 24, 2011 5:47 PM MDT up reply actions
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They haven't been doing that much
until the last two games.
Let’s recall that the fundamental issue with DB was hitters becoming too pull-conscious
by rururuland784 on Jul 24, 2011 5:44 PM MDT up reply actions
Not to say Baylor isn't doing a good job in AZ
But the Dbacks’ offensive numbers are basically on par with what they’ve been the past five years – almost right down to the decimal point. Losing Reynolds allows them to no longer lead MLB in strikeouts, but they are still in the top 3. They’re a better team because they’ve improved their pitching and become the most aggressive baserunning team in the NL. And they can still hit, but that’s not new.
by Northsider1964 on Jul 24, 2011 6:33 PM MDT up reply actions
Time to Wreck this team
this team is so sorry now….time to move on again….
get rid of O’dowd and Tracy….
follow that up with apodaca and the hitting coach….
get rid of stewart, cook, hammel, and street….go get some players and trade
ubaldo to the reds for those 3 prospects….lets move on!
The Ubaldo-Reds trade
Yuck. I repeat, yuck. Ick. Blech. If that trade happens, fire O’Dowd immediately.
Alonso, Mesoraco, Frazier?
It’s an interesting trade that acknowledges weaknesses we don’t really want to acknowledge (the future of 1B, the uncertainty of our own prospects at C and in the OF.) It would give us two birds in three separate bushes. I agree with Renck that it would probably have to also include Volquez to make it totally worth it, as I’m guessing most Rockies fans would have your reaction.
I'm of the opinion that we need to get pitching back in a Ubaldo trade
And unless the Reds have a Volquez not named Edinson in their system, we’re not getting any pitching back in that deal
i think we have enough outfielders in the system
the proposed yankees deal blows that out of the water
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I struggle with accepting deals that are in tune with our major league needs
I know we’re still likely to get a decent package, but I think it limits the type of offers we could receive.
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In fact, let's just bulldoze the field and apply for a new expansion club.
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 24, 2011 8:06 PM MDT up reply actions
2012
I agree with Muzia that the only position players who should be locks for their positions in 2012 are Helton, Tulo, and Cargo. Here is my take on the rest:
2B – they will probably attempt to keep Ellis based on the fact that O’Dowd had been after him for awhile. I guess he is fine for a stop gap.
3B- I think Wiggy goes somewhere in the next 10 days and Stew is a non tender. This has been a complete disaster all season. Not sure what B type free agents are out there.
CF – Me thinks Dex will continue to frustrate us in 2012 as he shows signs of life in garbage time.
RF – I am going to get crucified here by many. Seth Smith has not been the problem in 2011 but he is not the solution either. He is going to finish no better than .290 17 75 in the traditional counting stats. Just not good enough. He is the 4th outfielder on a contending team.
C – Willin’s job to lose next spring.
Ubaldo is going nowhere next week. He sure didn’t help the Rockies bargaining position today.
Definitely agreed, especially about Seth.
A name to throw out: Chris Nelson. He is destroying AAA right now and needs to be with the big guys soon (like after Wiggy gets traded next week).
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 24, 2011 6:16 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
He's out of options next year as well.
I’m curious what happens to him after this season is over.
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What do the Rox have to lose
by playing Nelson a bunch at this point in the season? This collapse makes it far more likely that Wheeler, Rosario, and Friedrich get significant exposure in September.
or (hopefully) August
depending on who gets traded.
I hope we have something to cheer for in August/September, even if it’s just prospects.
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by black_knight101 on Jul 24, 2011 8:23 PM MDT up reply actions
Seth Smith is mentally weak...
I have not seen such lackluster play from a rightfielder in my LIFE. Even Brad Hawpe gave an effort out there. The broken bat triple by Upton should have been caught…Smith took a terrible route, and then loped to the ball off the carom as if dispirited that he failed to track the ball right. His cutoff throw on the double was pathetic as well as he failed to hit Herrera, which cost us a run.
With better defense, Ubaldo only allows 3 runs in his 5 innings of work. He wasn’t special today, but not as bad as the BABIP and poor defense behind him would have one believe.
I am NOW if favor of getting a new rightfielder. Smith has looked horrible out there for a good month now.
I have to say I agree, sadly
I love his upside as a hitter, but if we’re talking about mentally weak players it starts there.
by rururuland784 on Jul 24, 2011 6:18 PM MDT up reply actions
Mentally Weak seems a bit harsh
The guy is ideal for the 4th outfielder role. Unfortunately if you carry Dex in CF and Helton (declining power) at 1B then you need a corner outfielder in right who is going to jack the ball over the wall 25 times.
Okay, it's time to make some dinner, crack open the big ol' bottle of Arrogant Bastard
…and hopefully watch the Reds bring the Braves down a peg or two.
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by Paleface Destro on Jul 24, 2011 6:25 PM MDT reply actions
So you're going to drink some
Tulo/Brady/Tebow beer?
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Hahaha...nice
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by Paleface Destro on Jul 24, 2011 6:32 PM MDT up reply actions
Ouch. Tough headline re Stewy
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I never was a big Stewie guy
but Tracy has really yanked his chain this year. He most certainly needs a change of scenery or manager to have any chance at returning to the 2010 Stew.
I happen to be a big Stewie guy
but I agree with you. As much as I’d hate to lose him, he seems to be a classic “change of scenery” candidate. I get that his potential has never been realized here, and the whole “SoCal kid with an attitude” and other fodder for his dismissal. Part of my problem is irrational (see: Muzia,Tulo) in that I had a great chat with him in the security line at DIA on May 3rd of this year. Sweet kid, goofball, wants to be good. I just don’t think Colorado is the place for him.
Get your purple on.
This is outstanding. I'm totally on board the PirateShip
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I'm happy to see him back in the bigs.
I’ve liked him for a while…hometown boy made good and all that.
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by Paleface Destro on Jul 24, 2011 6:33 PM MDT up reply actions
You're from upstate New York?
That explains so much.
by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 24, 2011 6:36 PM MDT up reply actions
Well, I was born in Iowa, but I consider Upstate to be home
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by Paleface Destro on Jul 24, 2011 6:37 PM MDT up reply actions
Where abouts?
I know it’s not Binghamton because RtC isn’t your cousin.
by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 24, 2011 6:39 PM MDT up reply actions
Well, THAT'S even worse up by Oneida
Of course, it’s in the Syracuse-Albany-Binghamton Bermuda Triangle.
My family’s in the Syracuse area (a little north, actually).
Funny this comes up as I just checked the salt potatoes I’m making for dinner.
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by Paleface Destro on Jul 24, 2011 6:40 PM MDT up reply actions
Cool.
I have had many great friends from those parts. Good people.
by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 24, 2011 6:47 PM MDT up reply actions
Yay Pirates
Amazing story there. Can’t imagine what brought about this run. It’s not like they have a new manager or anything…
How about someone actually doing good with the draft picks.
by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 24, 2011 6:38 PM MDT up reply actions
I swear if they make the WS
I’ll actually think Hurdle has magical powers.
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it just takes ages to charge them
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We called this, you know...
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by prettyinpurple on Jul 24, 2011 6:51 PM MDT up reply actions
Er...
did you see the comment below this one?
by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 24, 2011 6:52 PM MDT up reply actions
It isn't all high picks
Walker in 04 and Cutch in 05 were 1st round picks and Maholm is at the back end of the rotation. This is really about the 5 pitchers staying healthy and McDonald and Morton breaking through a bit. Hanrahan has been tremendous at the back end of games. I think Cutch is a terrific player on both sides of the ball but this team has done better as a whole as compared to the sum of the parts so far this season. I wasn’t the biggest Clint supporter while here but he is hands down manager of the year.
Hurdle is the right guy at the right time.
Since most managers are neither spectacular nor dreadful, fit is very important. Hurdle brings the right perspective to the Bucs right now.
by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 24, 2011 9:06 PM MDT up reply actions
The Rockies make me sad, but seeing Dontrelle Willis pitching in a major league game makes me happy.
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FLOVE!!!! I FLOVE DEPECHE MODE
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Fits the mood right now.
Though I’m not sure what “flove” means.
by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 24, 2011 6:57 PM MDT up reply actions
F'ing Love
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What could have been...
Just checked Michael Young’s stat line for the first time since May.
.330/.367/.487
Damn. That 128 OPS+ would have played great in the Rockies lineup this season.
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i legitimately would not care how bad a defender he was if he were hitting like that
ESPECIALLY if everyone else was as terrible as they’ve been.
his .360 BABIP is slightly worrisome, but dude’s got a .420 wOBA in medium leverage, .355 in high, .411 men on base, and .421 RISP…. god, and to think we roll ty wigginton out there every day…
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Hi Leverage?
.362/.408/.586/.995
SIGH
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/reignite mike young wars
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EY2 and/or Charlie Blackmon, I believe...
If only we knew that Tim Wheeler was about to break out, we would have done that in a nanosecond.
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I wonder if that is the caliber player Blackmon/Wheeler + plus filler could
fetch
by rururuland784 on Jul 24, 2011 7:14 PM MDT up reply actions
(I was 100% in support of that trade)
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Well I mean that a Blackmon/Wheeler/filler package
would be more appropriate for the expectations of Young before this season. Like .280/.330/.420 with strong veteran leadership
I had mixed feelings about the trade
I certainly thought Young would make the team better, but thought the $48 mil over three years would be better invested in starting pitching. Sure glad we did neither, and just went with the Jose Lopez Comedy Hour and the Cookie Farewell Tour instead.
by Northsider1964 on Jul 24, 2011 7:50 PM MDT up reply actions
So...
2011’s Year In Review is going to be called “We Did It For The LULZ?”
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by Paleface Destro on Jul 24, 2011 7:52 PM MDT up reply actions
It'll certainly show up first on alphabetical searches...
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by Paleface Destro on Jul 24, 2011 7:55 PM MDT up reply actions
It will be remembered
as the year we topped out on great guys in the clubhouse. Didn’t really hit or pitch consistently, or do a lot of winning, but oh the camaraderie.
by Northsider1964 on Jul 24, 2011 7:56 PM MDT up reply actions
and what's really more important?
CFF guys!
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(character flies forever)
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i dont care if it's tracy's fault or not, i want heads to roll
If only they had let the cameras in there.
Oh wait, they did.
/wang joke
by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 24, 2011 8:16 PM MDT up reply actions
Great in the clubhouse, indeed
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by Paleface Destro on Jul 24, 2011 8:20 PM MDT up reply actions
We wouldn't have picked up Lopez's contract if we had traded for Young.
It would have been great.
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and then ackely could have been on the mariners from openng day, and saved me from having johnny herrera as my fantasy 2B for months
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It was more a perfect storm
He wanted out, and they wanted to dump his salary
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i just hope we don't end up feeling the same way about ubaldo and the yankees in about 2 years' time
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Match made in hell.
Jay’s better off.
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I just like the
she can’t believe this is happening. She must not be a football fan. The guy isn’t known for sticking with things.
by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 24, 2011 6:59 PM MDT up reply actions
Well she can't really stick with things either.
So seems about right to me
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I don't know much about her.
She was on some sort of reality show. I don’t even know what she sounds like.
by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 24, 2011 7:06 PM MDT up reply actions
Yep she's a reality tv personality.
And that’s about it.
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So...not quite talented enough to be a Kardashian?
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by Paleface Destro on Jul 24, 2011 7:13 PM MDT up reply actions
Hmm. Tough call
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Track Cabrera tonight
No-no through 3 with 4 k’s
Safari won’t allow me to link:
Charlie77 is at this game
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Yay for Charlie! I hope it goes great
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He needs to do the Sunday games then!
How do you get your kids to behave? Threaten not to take them to a Rockies game. They straighten up REAL QUICK.
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by black_knight101 on Jul 24, 2011 7:18 PM MDT up reply actions
More outfield depth...
I doubt he projects as anything more than a Spilborghs. He’s already 24.
True
That is a caveat, but he only played 80 professional games going into the season. Seems like the projectable power might give him a higher upside than Spilly, idk, that;s what I’ve read.
by rururuland784 on Jul 24, 2011 7:32 PM MDT up reply actions
18 game hit streak for Rutledge, too.
2 for three tonight with a pair of runs. He’s looking really sharp as a 2B of the future candidate. Hopefully it works out this time.
I'm officially very excited to see him in Tulsa next year.
He’s exceeded all my expectations
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He just his his third HR of the night
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Cabrera 11k in 6ip
Don’t know what to make of his line. that babip is always killing him too
by rururuland784 on Jul 24, 2011 8:28 PM MDT up reply actions
You can probably take a clue what to make of it from the name of the team he's playing against.
They aren’t called the Sea-level Swamp Mavericks.
haha
I saw your wind comment…..that might explain matthes I would imagine
Do you think Cabrera’s numbers are more a reflection of an advanced pitch (change-up) at a lower level. I know the fastball isn’t dominant
by rururuland784 on Jul 24, 2011 8:33 PM MDT up reply actions
I think that's the concern with scouts,
the FB’s a bit underrated, though. For an LHP, low 90’s is solid heat. His command of it’s what’s a bit buggy. He needs to keep it riding up into the wheelhouse of right handed batters as often. His GB rates have taken off over the last season and a half, when he’s on, he’s keeping the pitches low.
Also, I just want to point out that an advanced change-up is one of the most underrated pitches among scouts relative to the value it has in the MLB. Pitchers can go a long way on just that alone.
in our dreams, maybe...
let’s just say that it’s really good and not put it up against works of art just yet.
perhaps, but it's not just his K/9 that's great,
as that can increase via a BABIP increase, see shields, james 2010… but his K% (K/TBF) is currently 28.8% of batters in modesto, which would be 2nd best in the CAL league if he qualified. he also topped the SALL while he was there, at 31.4% (for reference, clayton kershaw currently leads MLB with a 29.0 mark, followed by brandon morrow and tommy hanson at 26.8 and 26.6)
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So it's officially just a crazy night in the High Desert.
If Angelys Nina can hit two HR’s, three shouldn’t be that hard for Matthes.
Nina? You're joking.
I like the kid, but that’s absolutely ridiculous
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Enjoy the silence.
I’m not linking to it again.
This is the long dark tea time of the soul.
by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 24, 2011 8:12 PM MDT up reply actions
/crickets
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by prettyinpurple on Jul 24, 2011 8:17 PM MDT up reply actions
This is worth watching as a historical document.
If you don’t usually click on such things.
by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 24, 2011 8:22 PM MDT up reply actions
Yo RMN
I stayed up all night Friday defending Iannetta and educating my relatives on OPS. You woulda been proud of me.
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by prettyinpurple on Jul 24, 2011 8:18 PM MDT up reply actions
they didn't listen, did they?
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 24, 2011 8:19 PM MDT up reply actions
If my own relatives are any indication, if they don't see it in the paper, they won't believe it.
And we know what the paper thinks of Iannetta.
Pure, unadultered love
built on a foundation of sabrmetric lies.
wait, hangon
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 24, 2011 9:25 PM MDT up reply actions
The paper loves me though, for some reason
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by Jeff Aberle on Jul 24, 2011 11:32 PM MDT up reply actions
you aren't batting .216
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 25, 2011 1:27 AM MDT up reply actions
I won.
But they were drunk. And they love me.
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by prettyinpurple on Jul 24, 2011 8:25 PM MDT up reply actions
But definitely the best way to pull my first all-nighter.
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by prettyinpurple on Jul 24, 2011 8:27 PM MDT up reply actions
Remember that during college.
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 24, 2011 9:23 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm still annoyed that the Braves tied it up
Well, that and convincing a four-year-old that her pink flowery bunny is actually Flowers the Fierce and will protect her from any and all monsters that may or may not be lurking in her closet.
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by Paleface Destro on Jul 24, 2011 8:23 PM MDT up reply actions
Is that a comment on the Rockies Front Office?
by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 24, 2011 8:24 PM MDT up reply actions
Actually, no...it's the exchange I just had with my four-year-old daughter.
However, I can see the similarities…
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by Paleface Destro on Jul 24, 2011 8:25 PM MDT up reply actions
Deep...as in "this team is in it deep this year"
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by Paleface Destro on Jul 24, 2011 8:26 PM MDT up reply actions
Haha
Riding the rollercoaster that is Rockies baseball
by prettyinpurple on Jul 24, 2011 8:27 PM MDT up reply actions
can Flowers play 3rd base?
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
She strikes me as more of a 2B, but she could probably learn
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by Paleface Destro on Jul 24, 2011 8:45 PM MDT up reply actions
how is she with managing 25 grown men for 162 games,
as well as with breaking both the gender and inanimate object barriers in baseball management?
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Given her ability to strike fear in the nastiest of closet monsters,
I think it would be no problem for her.
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by Paleface Destro on Jul 24, 2011 8:52 PM MDT up reply actions
...well, at least one has been set free
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by Paleface Destro on Jul 24, 2011 9:06 PM MDT up reply actions
It could be worse
We could be Mariners fans
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by Paleface Destro on Jul 24, 2011 9:09 PM MDT reply actions
That's actually more enjoyable than this.
Having pulled for consistently losing teams most of my life, it’s a lot easier when you aren’t expecting much. The losing streaks become interesting because you wonder how they will figure out a way to lose the next game. When the streak ends, it’s like winning a playoff game.
We have nothing like this.
by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 24, 2011 9:11 PM MDT up reply actions
Although the Mariners always give their fans cause for hope at the beginning of the year
before utterly shattering it by July. This year it was the dominance of Pineda and Felix in a fast start, last year it was a big offseason with Cliff Lee
Oh, I still wonder how the Rockies will figure out a way to lose the next game
But yeah…ending the streak is not as sweet.
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by Paleface Destro on Jul 24, 2011 9:16 PM MDT up reply actions
Touche'
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by Paleface Destro on Jul 24, 2011 9:20 PM MDT up reply actions
Your 2011 Rockies:
The Chick-fil-a Champs
by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 24, 2011 9:27 PM MDT up reply actions
EAT MOR GINTS
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by Paleface Destro on Jul 24, 2011 9:29 PM MDT up reply actions
I am trying once again to take a picture that I have on Facebook and make it my profile picture.
I’ve done it twice on here yet I forgot how to do it. Can anyone help me out. I know most of you will refer to (see Maria M’s thingy). Is there anyone else that can help me? Nothing against her.
How do you get your kids to behave? Threaten not to take them to a Rockies game. They straighten up REAL QUICK.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
I don't think you can use facebook pic links
Save the picture to your computer and try uploading it
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well I've used 2 pics from there before...See pic to right. That is probably what I will have to do anyways
How do you get your kids to behave? Threaten not to take them to a Rockies game. They straighten up REAL QUICK.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
This article on Madison Bumgarner is insane.
He’s walked 27 guys all year in 126 1/3 innings. But that’s not all. Twenty-two of those walks came in April and May.
He has walked five guys since May 30 covering 10 starts and 62 1/3 innings.
He’s currently riding a 23-inning streak without walking a single batter.
Some days, I feel like I’ve accidentally entered the Church of Tulowitzki on Baseball Easter.
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They are lucky they haven't had injuries to their pitchers
Remember, Ubaldo missed time this year and De La Rosa is going to end up missing 2/3 of the season.
Having a starting rotation completely stay healthy is incredibly rare, and then having a journeyman come out of nowhere not having pitched in the bigs for years come in and throw up a 2.00 ERA is just as rare.
Their pitchers are awfully good though. I wonder how long they can keep that core together.
when Hammel puts together two great seasons, we credit Apodaca
when the Giants find Vogelsong, they are plain lucky.
There can be something to a pitcher and pitching coach connecting, and I think we’re seeing it.
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Wow. Incredible article.
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Dude, Vogelsong was out of baseball for what, 3 years?
Hammel was at least on a MLB staff on a contending team.
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 24, 2011 10:17 PM MDT up reply actions
Agreed
But the double standard here is incredible.
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...what double standard?
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 24, 2011 10:27 PM MDT up reply actions
Apodaca gets credit for turning DLR/Hammel/Belisle into quality major league pitchers, especially at Coors Field.
Righetti does a great job with a talented staff, and turns players like Sanchez and Vogelsong** into MLB pitchers, and we call it plain ol’ Giants luck.
**Granted, Vogelsong as an NL ERA leader is lucky, but him becoming an MLB starter shouldn’t be an enormous surprise.
It’s pretty obvious he’s a key to their success, and yet we discount it as a pure fluke.
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I haven't been around here much lately, so I can't speak as to the rest of the Row.
But whenever I refer to “Giants’ luck,” I’m referring to:
1) Their luck with scrap-heap hitters last year (Cody Ross, Pat Burrell, Aubrey Huff, Andres Torres, etc.) that lead to them winning the world series; though that seems to not be as large a factor this year.
2) Their tendency to score runs/win games on bloop singles, etc, and their ridiculous record in one-run games and/or walkoffs.
I certainly don’t consider their pitching staff “lucky,” they’ve just got damn good pitching coaches.
When your team mentality is to make contact and not swing for the fences, good things happen.
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This is another thing.
Huff, Burrell, and Torres were entirely capable of doing what they did last year.
Ross is another story, but it wasn’t inconceivable based on his numbers.
by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 24, 2011 10:49 PM MDT up reply actions
Having everyone do this at once is a little odd,
but it reminds me of something like this .
by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 24, 2011 10:54 PM MDT up reply actions
?
It’s not inconceivable based on his numbers, that Ian Stewart could be a 35 HR threat in the MLB, or that Jose Lopez could have had year with the Rockies like he had in 2009 with a Coors Field boost. Or that Dexter Fowler could have been a .360 OBP, 20 3B, 40 SB player this year. All these players were capable of this. That it didn’t happen is poor management? Leadership? Skill?
To completely disregard luck is as silly as ascribing everything to it. The Giants were incredibly fortunate in 2010.
I didn't disregard luck.
I’m just saying that luck is only a factor, and not as important as some make it out to be. See below.
Secondly, the only suggestion that you make above that could be close to Ross would be the Lopez situation. The other suggestions about Stewart and Fowler do not apply because that would be them doing something that they had never done. All of the four players listed above had had similar seasons in the majors before. Huff, Burrell, and Torres were not doing anything beyond what they had shown relatively recently. In fact, Torres’ 2009 to 2010 numbers are almost identical.
Finally, the 2010 Giants were fourth in run differential in the majors last year. The 2011 Giants are a lot luckier than the 2010 Giants. Both teams are still going to win the NL West.
by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 24, 2011 11:03 PM MDT up reply actions
By see below,
I mean my comment to AMart.
by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 24, 2011 11:04 PM MDT up reply actions
As an addendum,
all teams have both good luck and bad luck. Some have more of one kind of luck than another. Good teams find ways to minimize the effects of bad luck and maximize the effects of good luck. The Giants do this. They are a good team.
I’m not saying that they don’t have good luck flying out their behinds. I’m just saying that dwelling primarily on luck is obscuring what they’ve been able to do.
by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 24, 2011 11:07 PM MDT up reply actions
This seems to imply that Torres' 170 PA's in 2009 weren't out of the blue and were a sure thing to be repeated.
In that same 2009 season, in many more PA’s, Fowler showed he’d be capable of the season I described for him over the course of a full year. And Stewart’s 25 HR that same season in less than 500 AB’s translate to 35 in 600. Lopez was also strong. Why was Torres a sure thing but nobody the Rockies touched? It seems to be a double standard.
Meanwhile,Huff had one full season in 2008 that was almost as good as his 2010, but not quite. For him to have his career best season with the Giants at 34 was certainly a lot more fortunate than you’re ascribing.
I don’t think anybody’s said anything quite to the effect you’re imagining, that the Giants staff is full of crappy journeymen who are just lucky mclucksteins.
But to call Ryan Vogelsong’s 2011 season anything other than a spectacular, almost unfathomable turn of good fortune for the San Francisco Giants is ludicrous.
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by Franchise26 on Jul 24, 2011 10:40 PM MDT up reply actions
His success has been extremely fortunate
the idea that he’s in a major league rotation is much less so.
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If Barry Zito doesn’t get hurt, Ryan Vogelsong is pitching the Fresno Grizzlies to the PCL playoffs. What do you mean it isn’t fortunate that he’s in the big league rotation?
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by Franchise26 on Jul 24, 2011 10:48 PM MDT up reply actions
Credit their front office for finding a reclamation project that would fit with their philosophy
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You don’t get credit for reclamation projects. They’re lottery tickets.
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by Franchise26 on Jul 24, 2011 10:53 PM MDT up reply actions
I think you can certainly get credit for selecting lottery tickets
that have a higher percentage of succeeding.
Vogelsong is a unique story, certainly, but I can’t say it’s pure luck. There was a conscious decision to bring him into the system.
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We’re talking about a guy who posted an ERA in the upper fours and a walk rate in the upper fives at AAA last season. If that decision was based on anything beyond ‘We can’t just use a pitching machine at Fresno, we need five starting pitchers’, I would be absolutely shocked.
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by Franchise26 on Jul 24, 2011 11:03 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm not sure this is 100 percent true
The Giants have shown a willingness to boot Zito out of the rotation when his performance calls for it, even to the point of leaving him off the postseason roster. The Rockies wouldn’t have done that with Cook if he was throwing the ball underhanded.
by Northsider1964 on Jul 25, 2011 7:21 AM MDT up reply actions
we did it to marquis
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
i dont care if it's tracy's fault or not, i want heads to roll
I've always thought/said the Rockies were lucky with JDLR
and to the extent of last two seasons, Hammel. I also credit Apodaca. It’s not mutually exclusive with either the Rockies or Giants. Luck and development go hand in hand in those cases.
Oh, I know
Just a little snide joke based on all the Gints post this season. Like ‘em or not (and I don’t), they can pitch.
Get your purple on.
Was going to post something of this nature,
but I’ve made my point.
by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 24, 2011 10:11 PM MDT up reply actions
The pitching has been astounding
But come on, the bats? really?
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 24, 2011 10:18 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm not sure what you want.
I don’t think that the Giants haven’t had some good fortune. My issue is with the assumption that, after getting rid of luck, the Rockies would be winning the division this year. It goes like this:
The Giants have had over performance across the board and almost no injuries [not true].
The Rockies have been injury-plagued and suffer from under performance [partially true].
Therefore, the Rockies are really better than the Giants. It’s just been bad luck.
Obviously, the Giants pitching wins games. Are they the only team in history that has had this happen? I remember this pretty well. [Sort by runs scored.]
I don’t see how this equates to luck. The team was built to do what they are doing, even if it wasn’t built to do it in such an astoundingly unprecedented manner.
They are running away from everyone in the division except the Diamondbacks because of some good fortune for them and bad fortune for others, but in almost every alternative standings measure, they’re still leading this division statistically. That’s not just luck. They’re good.
I think that we’d be better off as fans acknowledging this and looking for ways that our team can improve enough to beat them than claiming that the current leader of the pack is just lucky.
by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 24, 2011 10:43 PM MDT up reply actions
There's also the inconvenient matter of
Not even being in second place the past two years. People dismiss the 2010 Padres as a fluke and a fraud, but they still took the Giants (and the Braves) right down to the final weekend. I think the Dbacks have a chance to do the same this year. The scoreboard and standings are still what count, no matter how much the Rockies’ players and management yack about being “this close.”
by Northsider1964 on Jul 25, 2011 7:37 AM MDT up reply actions
My thoughts
1. This roster has the mental makeup of soaked white bread. Bland and mushy.
2. The holes cannot be plugged or ignored. Serious overhaul of many positions needs to happen…which is why the Ubaldo Jimenez trade is looking increasingly appealing.
3. Time to take the long view (for the 30th time). Since this organization has one way of doing business the best thing is to pick up a bunch of prospects and hopefully another Matt Holiday (with better fielding ability) is there somewhere.
4. As long as Tracy is the manager the team will feed off of his nondescript milquetoast personality. If that’s what the organization wants then…fine. Think about going with Tracy a couple more years and maybe some inner fire will develop.
I’ve reached my boiling point with this team. Biggest disappointment of the Denver major sports teams. Hands down.
Time to get excited about prospects. Gen R part 2.
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by Jeffrey Morton on Jul 24, 2011 10:20 PM MDT reply actions
Thing is
With points 2 and 3, they needn’t actively shop Ubaldo, it’ll kill any leverage they may have.
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 24, 2011 10:28 PM MDT up reply actions
Understood
Hopefully what’s done will improve the team. I’m sure O’Dowd is playing this as smartly as he can. I can see alot of people gone by the end of the season.
I’ll say it again though….I feel bad for the fans and Todd Helton. Yes there’s injuries but…damn…the Rockies could just PRETEND like they have a backbone or something. Man. Frustrated beyond belief.
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by Jeffrey Morton on Jul 24, 2011 10:32 PM MDT up reply actions
even jeff and jack were commenting on that
How deflated the Rockies look.
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 24, 2011 10:35 PM MDT up reply actions
I was commenting on it too
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by Jeff Aberle on Jul 24, 2011 11:37 PM MDT up reply actions
old habits, etc
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 25, 2011 1:30 AM MDT up reply actions
Jack was pretty brutal...rightly so
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