Sunday Rockpile: Pros and cons of all the pieces in the Ubaldo Jimenez trade.
by Rox Girl on Jul 31, 2011 9:06 AM MDT
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PrintI'm a blogger, which supposedly means I should chime in and tell you how much I love or hate the Ubaldo Jimenez trade for the Rockies. I'm actually not into that, so I'm sorry to disappoint. This stage is always the worst to evaluate trades for a team you're close to, as there's zero chance for neutrality. In light of that, I'm just going to put fors and against for each of the five pieces involved. Jimenez might not be the only Rockies player moved today, we'll try and keep abreast of other developments. For more in depth analysis of the prospects coming back to the Rockies as well as all Indians prospects, I encourage you to read Indians Prospect Insider a resource I use frequently throughout the season while looking up their prospects.
Troy Renck's initial view of the deal is here.
Dave Krieger has his thoughts as well.
I'll probably put other links up in the comments.
Ubaldo Jimenez
Why wouldn't the Rockies want him? Try and explain or justify his results from the last year as you might, the fact is that Jimenez has been a middle of the rotation starter from just prior to the All-Star break last season until now, not an ace. He was an ace from 2008 until that point, but he hasn't been for a year now, and there may never have been a better opportunity to trade a middle of rotation starter that people feel could still be an ace. He's lost 4 mph from his fastball, and he's seemingly lost confidence on the mound. Let's be serious though, any club, including the Rockies, wouldn't mind having even that around.
Why would the Rockies want him? Because he's the greatest pitcher in their history, and one of the greatest personalities. He's adored by fans like the ace he was, even if the results on the field haven't been living up to that standard of late. There's still a fairly large chance that he could return to that ace level of play. A down season is not uncommon even among HOF type of greats. Nolan Ryan dipped to a 102 and a 99 ERA plus in 1975 (28 y.o.) and 1976 (29. y.o.) before bouncing back to a top 3 Cy Young finish in 1977. Roger Clemens' 1993 season in Boston saw him go 11-14 with a 4.43 ERA. He went on to go 191-98 in 14 seasons after that with a 3.38 ERA.
Matt McBride
Why wouldn't the Rockies want him? McBride's clearly not the headline of this trade, a 26 year old former top catching prospect who can no longer play behind the plate, he's limited to just low defensive utility corner positions. He's also been the rare player that seemingly can't adjust to AAA pitching, let alone to that which he'll see in the MLB. He's a right handed bench bat and will be eligible for the Rule 5 draft if he's not on the 40 man roster, so there's a pretty decent chance he's not with the Rockies organization at all in 2012 if he's fringe MLB ready.
Why would the Rockies want him? He's a right handed bench bat, and when he's on, he's a pretty good one. Power, some patience, the ability to turn on a fastball or to take it the other way if it's on the outside, pretty much everything you'd look for. He's kept his K rate lower than 20%, which is also a big plus. For a reserve position, he'd be pretty useful if he can adjust to higher quality breaking pitches.
Joe Gardner
Why wouldn't the Rockies want him? As John Sickels frequently points out, the high A to AA transition can be fairly telling for a minor leaguer's future, and Gardner's had a fairly ugly one as his strikeouts have plummeted and he's seen an uptick in the amount of home runs he's allowed. Neither's a great recipe for success at altitude, even if the high GB% helps. He was shut down earlier in the season with shoulder fatigue, which is rarely a good sign, and hasn't yet developed his secondary pitches (the slider particularly, but also a change-up) to the point where there should be confidence that he can make an MLB rotation.
Why would the Rockies want him? His sinker is one of the best in minor league baseball, and a pitch as devastating as Aaron Cook's at his best. If the slider and change do develop, he could be a mid-rotation innings eater like Cook or Jake Westbrook.
Alex White
Why wouldn't the Rockies want him? He's only thrown 189 1/3 professional innings, and 150 of those were last season. He's too much of an injury risk, too much of an unknown on the professional level to be the kind of sure-fire thing that the Rockies were looking for.
Why would the Rockies want him? Because like Gardner, he's got one of the best sinker pitches in the game, topping out at 95 mph, but unlike Gardner, he backs it up with two other quality pitches, a splitter and a slider which gives him a bit of a higher ceiling as a #2 starter. He's MLB ready, and could join the rotation as soon as he finishes injury rehab.
Drew Pomeranz
Why wouldn't the Rockies want him? The only bad thing here is a lack of experience and the wee bit of uncertainty that's still left when a top prospect seamlessly transitions to AA as quickly as Pomeranz has (in his AA debut he struck out Bryce Harper twice.) I don't intend to make it sound like he's a sure thing, but he's about as close as pitching prospects get. He does only have two out pitches at the moment, as great as they are, he probably needs one more to be a true ace.
Why would the Rockies want him? He's an ace in the making using excellent command of a low 90's FB with good downward plane and movement and a 12-6 curve. He's developing a change-up that should be another out pitch at some point down the road.
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I have a question about Pomeranz...
how do you think his curveball will play out at Coors? Obviously there’s the reports that curveballs don’t break as much in Denver (or at least break differently), but I’m not sure how accurate they are. Is it something to be concerned about, seeing that it’s his most devastating pitch?
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by black_knight101 on Jul 31, 2011 9:18 AM MDT reply actions
Fastballs lose much more movement than curveballs and sliders
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 31, 2011 9:19 AM MDT up reply actions
right and this is what the article says.
but its not what everyone thinks, and I have to imagine that there’s at least some reason why the baseball community is convinced that curveballs break differently at Coors.
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by black_knight101 on Jul 31, 2011 9:22 AM MDT up reply actions
Because they do, and the article says as much, just not as much as people think
Also, an initial impression is difficult to shake off. Post 2002-Coors is very different than 1995-2001 Kile-era Coors
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 31, 2011 9:27 AM MDT up reply actions
yes this is problably very true
I also wonder how different curves are affected, as not all curves are created equally, and not all curveballs are the same. John Sickels says he has a knuckle curve – any recent Rockies pitchers with knuckle curves?
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by black_knight101 on Jul 31, 2011 9:30 AM MDT up reply actions
I think Ubaldo's curve had a spike to it, which is pretty much the same thing
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 31, 2011 9:38 AM MDT up reply actions
ok, well Ubaldo never seemed to have any problem with his curve at home
this is reassuring
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by black_knight101 on Jul 31, 2011 9:42 AM MDT up reply actions
I can't back this up
but I believe the whole curveballs lose more movement was more of an old wives tale than anything else. It was a logical guess that ‘well, since balls break less, then breaking balls must really get hampered’. Turns out, that’s not really the case (maybe it was pre-humidor, but it’s not now).
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I think pre-humidor
A lot of pitchers couldn’t grip the curveball the way they wanted to, because the hide would dry out and be too slick. So, more of a dry air phenomenon than a thin air phenomenon. To me, that’s been the biggest difference with the humidor – make a mistake at Coors and it will still get hit off the planet, but the improved grips means fewer mistakes.
by Northsider1964 on Jul 31, 2011 9:50 AM MDT up reply actions
also, why the hell haven't we installed one in CO Springs yet?
what are we expecting our players to learn there that will carry over to the bigs? That you can exploit CO atmosphere so well that hitting on the road is unnecessary for one’s statline?
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by Resolution on Jul 31, 2011 9:53 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Since it's a separate ownership of the CS team
it would mean the Rockies would be basically giving away a humidor and the construction costs involved with no guarantee it would be kept on, or maintained. It makes little business sense. I hope the Monforts or the team eventually buy the Sky Sox, and then they could put in a humidor.
see, this is why I feel comfortable assuming you're besties with DOD
I always forget there are separate owners.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
also, could the Rockies coerce them into building one?
by maybe threatening to move the AAA team somewhere else? I’d imagine no other team would step up to take our place there
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I disagree it doesn't make business sense
It makes business sense for the Rockies because it should provide a big benefit to the development of their players! (Pitchers and hitters).
It would also make sense for the Sky Sox because they will get better prospects sent to their team.
Surely both parties should look at an agreement where the Rockies could pay for it and the Sky Sox commit to the maintainance costs?
by Britbronco22 on Jul 31, 2011 9:58 AM MDT up reply actions
maybe it doesn't make sense
cuz chicks dig the longball….along with everyone else. but that reason is flimsy at best…
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AAA doesn't matter anyway
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eh, they have $2 Tuesdays
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Wouldn't a few storage lockers be cheaper?
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by Junction Rox on Jul 31, 2011 11:12 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
but would you rather watch Mike Jacobs hit HR's or Tim Wheeler?
by Britbronco22 on Jul 31, 2011 10:00 AM MDT up reply actions
don't make this about me guy
I brought this up in the first place. I think our major league team is getting less of a return out of AAA than any other team solely because of this nonsense.
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The humidor would only help in CSP..
but they still play in dry areas for the rest of their games. Las Vegas, Albuquerque, Reno, Tucson are all places that dry out a baseball.
True, but at least it solves 50% of the problem
And it might encourage other teams to do the same.
by Britbronco22 on Jul 31, 2011 10:19 AM MDT up reply actions
I think that benefit to player development is very much debatable.
Many clubs, including the Rockies seem to use AAA only as a place to store extra MLB ready players that still have options or minor league eligibility until they run out or are truly needed. Minor league development only goes to the AA level and from that point, any further development that’s needed can be made in the MLB as well as it can AAA.
I do think not having a humidor hurts Rockies position prospects in that it gives them a false sense of security with their bats, and they might stop refining things on their own. It’s still a massive giveaway to another business interest for a relatively small benefit, it’s not like the Sky Sox are a charity.
I can't imagine the cost being that high.
Does anyone know what it costs to build a humidor?
start up a charity fund on purplerowcares
I care about the quality of our AAA team and I’m willing to contribute 2 dollars to this!
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I had $40,000 in my head
A google search revealed an article which cited a cost of $15,000
by Britbronco22 on Jul 31, 2011 10:25 AM MDT up reply actions
pfffft
15k? that’s a hand of blackjack man. Lets do this
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I totally get what your saying about AAA more often being an organ bank
but typically, we still do move players through AAA, as well as place them there for rehab assignments or to regain their stroke. Given that baseball is the precision sport that it is, I’m starting to worry that whatever is learned down there has to be somewhat unlearned at the ml level…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
There is a benefit even for depth players
Currently players transitioning from CS to Denver have to make adjustments, so it even if it just helps the depth players I think its worth it if the costs I found are correct.
Also, is the lack of player development a by-product of the crazy PCL environment. I don’t follow the other AAA league, is it also the case there?
by Britbronco22 on Jul 31, 2011 10:28 AM MDT up reply actions
I think my main point would be that the lack of player development at that point
becomes more about the players themselves rather than the coaching or the environment. I could see a humidor helping some, but not enough to be worth it as you will still need players that are willing to take steps to bring their games to the next level at that point and not be satisfied with where they are and believing their ready if they just get a chance. I do think the crazy PCL environment feeds that kind of self-satisfied player more than the IL, but I think it’s a red flag that will come up with those players at the MLB level in both cases.
I had also heard...
….that the pitcher just has to work a lot harder to get the same break here they get at other parks and that can wear a pitcher down.
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by El Paso Jeff on Jul 31, 2011 10:09 AM MDT up reply actions
I feel dumber for reasing the Renck article
Roasrio needs to work on his defense? CDI is done? Ellis is a priority? Ryan Howard an all-star?
White and Pom are projected TOR guus
If they live up to this standard it has to be considered a good deal, especially if Pom turns out to be better than Ubaldo. Contributions from McBride and Gardner would be purple icing on the cake.
Watching ESPN and Tim Kurkjian just said the Rockies aren’t done dealing yet. I wonder who’s next? Maybe we go after a bat? He also said we should expect to see White and Pom in the rotation by the end if this year, and if not then definitely by the tart of next year.
by GoldenNugget on Jul 31, 2011 9:32 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
I really, really hope we get a bat prospect this year.
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I think Kurkjian is high if he thinks Pomeranz will be with the big league club by the end of the year.
I agree with White, but not Pomeranz.
by blooming rock on Jul 31, 2011 11:24 AM MDT up reply actions
White is pretty likely to join the rotation as soon as the Rockies are comfortable with his health.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 31, 2011 11:25 AM MDT up reply actions
He's not the only one who thinks that
Pomeranz really isn’t far away. It’s not like he was drafted out of high school last year — he’s the same age as Chacin was last year.
That picture rules so hard...
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by Junction Rox on Jul 31, 2011 12:08 PM MDT up reply actions
Is that his autograph?
looks like a little kid’s
yo, what are our thoughts on attempting to get
Aaron Hill? Seems like a buy low opportunity who is still young, plays good defense and has shown some pretty good ability in the past but obviously has been meh for a while now…
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I never want to trade with AA
other than that, I think it’s a decent target.
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I'm seriously scared of trading with AA
glad we didn’t trade Ubaldo to the Jays. I would have been nervous for solely that reason.
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by black_knight101 on Jul 31, 2011 9:36 AM MDT up reply actions
He HAS made some dumb trades...
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 31, 2011 9:40 AM MDT up reply actions
but he always makes you think...
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and he is prone to totally ripping a team off
Vernon Wells, for example.
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by black_knight101 on Jul 31, 2011 9:45 AM MDT up reply actions
But look at the teams he's ripped off
They all have money. Maybe he’s some sort of “Robin Hood GM”?
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lol
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
well, looking into it
Hill is a free agent unless the Jays pick up his option…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
O dowd picks up the phone
“hey AA, I’d like to talk about trading for aaron hill.”
He wakes up thenext morning with a killer hangover andno memory of having traded pomeranz Tulo and chacin for hill and some chaw
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by squalene203 on Jul 31, 2011 9:40 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
This made me laugh
maybe we could arrange a meeting between the Blue Jays and Giants?
by Britbronco22 on Jul 31, 2011 10:04 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm ok with Nelson at 2nd right now
I hope. We need to give him consistent starting time for the rest of the year.
but then
ellis’ championship caliber skills will get rusty….
and i like ellis, seems like a great team guy, busts his ass, plays fine d – but championship caliber?? wtf…..
back to the point, why not play nelson and stewie every day and find out if they can do it or not – we can’t buy or trade to fill all the holes….
This free agent crop sucks big time
for our needs at least. I don’t see us acquiring Pujols or Fielder for reasons that should be obvious and after that there’s no one that seems like they would make sense for us…
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I think we might look to the trade market in the Winter for a 2B (seem to be more of them around these days)
and let either Nelson or Stewart play 3B
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by black_knight101 on Jul 31, 2011 9:47 AM MDT up reply actions
Tracy has said he wasn't ready to be a major leaguer the past two years.
This year, they really felt like thing clicked on a maturity level, and he started putting the work in every day to complete on a major league level (probably a lot of this has to do with defense). I think they might be starting to trust him.
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by black_knight101 on Jul 31, 2011 9:51 AM MDT up reply actions
I kind of agree.
Instead of leaving him on the bench, they have at least sent him to AAA to play every day. Since I expect them to move Wiggington, I can see Nelson playing nearly every day at 3rd and 2nd.
For some reason, I'm still totally supportive of Stewart and haven't given up hope
every day my rational becomes a bit fuzzier but whatever. Maybe it’s just when I look at see the available 3b free agents that makes Stewart and whatever potential he has look fine.
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I think we should blame Ian Stewart for the Ubaldo trade..
if he had performed well this year the Rockies probably wouldn’t be in this position. I’m only half kidding.
He'd have to have be a 12 WAR player to make a difference
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 31, 2011 9:57 AM MDT up reply actions
Yes, if those two positions had been solid..
we could overlook JDLRs injury, Cook and Hammel’s ineffectiveness. Actually that rotation looks a little ragged which is why I’m half kidding.
purple nurples for that guy
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by El Paso Jeff on Jul 31, 2011 10:11 AM MDT up reply actions
Unless Stewart turns it around
I think he might get non tendered
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by nodakroxfan on Jul 31, 2011 9:48 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
I agree with this.
I think the Rockies might try to move him in trade before then, if not now, later like the Mariners did with Jose Lopez last year.
hey RG
since I assume you’re besties with him, can you give DOD a hug from me? I feel like he needs one after such a tough decision – regardless of trade packages and outcomes and such. Kthnx
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you're the best!
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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err that was a response
To the 3b Nelson Stew thing by black_knight
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by nodakroxfan on Jul 31, 2011 9:50 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
who are the rockies that you guys would like to be seen gone at
the end of today?
Wiggy more than anyone
he’s just excess at this point, since Stewart needs to try and prove himself at 3B, and we can find a different bench bat in the offseason.
Spilly so that Wheeler can get a shot
everyone else depends on the value we’d be getting back.
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by black_knight101 on Jul 31, 2011 9:53 AM MDT up reply actions
Wiggy and Betancourt, maybe Street.. not that I dislike any of them I just want some attempt to fill the infield holes
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by nodakroxfan on Jul 31, 2011 9:53 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Possibly he's been a pleasant spot starter
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by nodakroxfan on Jul 31, 2011 10:02 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Philly is rumored to still really want him
And would probably need to get a deal done now to have a shot at him (they are far to low on the waiver priority to have a legit shot). So, it could get done.
i've enjoyed the heck out of the giambino
but trade him.
however, what are you going to realistically get/???
uhhhhh……..
roster spot for Tim Wheeler
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by Jeffrey Morton on Jul 31, 2011 10:22 AM MDT up reply actions
wow, that is right
we’re way short of room on the 40 man right now, aren’t we….
yes, but we have two players that are absolutely fillers on it right now
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by black_knight101 on Jul 31, 2011 10:25 AM MDT up reply actions
does anyone other than White need to be added to the 40 man?
by purplesocks on Jul 31, 2011 10:27 AM MDT up reply actions
nope. so he'll take Ubaldo's spot.
after trades today we should have a couple more spots anyway for guys like Wheeler to get one (i’m hoping at least).
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by black_knight101 on Jul 31, 2011 10:28 AM MDT up reply actions
We have 39 spots filled.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 31, 2011 10:53 AM MDT up reply actions
regret
and a 75% drop in grizzled. Unless we trade him to free up room to acquire Matt Stairs.
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Given the returns this summer, possibly more than you think.
It seems that the prospect value bubble has finally burst.
maybe it hasn't burst that much.
Still, it could be there’s something of value returning. Philly has a pretty deep system, and a lot like the Rockies, they do an excellent job identifying unheralded Latin American talent.
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by Roxman4ever on Jul 31, 2011 10:53 AM MDT up reply actions
THIS!!!
Only trade that make sense to me at this point. ;-)
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Giambi, because carrying him in 2012 doesn’t make any sense.
Spilly, because carrying him in 2012 doesn’t make any sense.
Wigginton, because there are teams that need him and might overpay.
Betancourt, because I love what he did for the Rockies’ bullpen in 2009 and most of 2010 but i don’t think he has the legs left anymore to the four-nights-per-week guy that the Rockies need him to be.
Street if you can get a big return. I’m not a Street basher, but he has a lot of mileage on him for his age and he’s not usually one to stay healthy for two seasons in a row.
by Northsider1964 on Jul 31, 2011 10:03 AM MDT up reply actions
agreed, and add EY2
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i'm with ya
but EY2’s trade value has to be about a bag of shag balls….
we’re not going to get more than some low minor prospects out of any of those guys – we don’t need any of them for the future, but we’ll only gain if we catch lightning in a bottle – which happens…
Ellis?
Similar reason as Wiggy. Free up a spot for Nelson to play almost everyday.
Except in the latest MLBTR projections, Ellis is a Type A
And he’s there by a considerable margin. If he ends up as a Type B, absolutely, take the pick. If not, I don’t see any way a team gives up a pick for him as a Type A, and I’m sure he’d accept the tender.
OK, after a second look, maybe the move to the NL will bump him down
He’s much more borderline after the change in leagues.
Street would also free up money
so we can sign Wilson Betemit forever.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
pretty hard to move street
with $11 mill due next year and expect a decent return.
probably better to keep him.
Not dying to get rid of him
But I won’t be surprised if next year is an oft-injured one for him. It’s pretty much been that way since Augie Garrido ran the tires bald on him at Texas, all the way through his Oakland and Colorado days. So if he was moved, I wouldn’t be crushed about it.
by Northsider1964 on Jul 31, 2011 10:10 AM MDT up reply actions
street gets 7.5 mil next year
then a 9 mil option for 2013 with a 500k buyout
by purplesocks on Jul 31, 2011 10:12 AM MDT up reply actions
So....after looking at all the analysis...
it looks like the Rox traded for two pitchers…and two filler guys. Do I have this right? Everyone seems to focus on Pomeranz and White… and what I’ve read on the other two isn’t exactly world beating.
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keep an eye on Gardner
2008 Aaron Cook type upside
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Gardner could have some value
But otherwise you got it
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by nodakroxfan on Jul 31, 2011 9:54 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Gardner has some hope
He needs to step up his game or learn a new pitch or something but he has a solid foundation. McBride? yea, filler, big time…
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slider or changeup school, yea
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I hear cutters are easy to learn and can make you an instant Hall of Famer
let’s make them learn that
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by Muzia on Jul 31, 2011 10:01 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
if you noticed
my commenting skills improved drastically about a year and a half ago. Around a year and a half ago, I learned to throw a cutter, so basically, you’re 100% correct.
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by Resolution on Jul 31, 2011 10:06 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Juan Nicasio: "NO CUTTAH NO CUTTAH"
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 31, 2011 10:14 AM MDT up reply actions
Quick: Name 3 players currently on the Houston Astros roster
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Wallace, Myers, Wandy?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 31, 2011 9:55 AM MDT up reply actions
by the end of the day, that list may read
Wallace.
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I find it funny that the Yankees wouldn't pay for Jimenez
but now are making a push for Wandy, who they don’t really like that much anyway, because their rotation isn’t going to get it done.
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by black_knight101 on Jul 31, 2011 9:57 AM MDT up reply actions
the words "Wandy Rodriguez, playoff starter" don't inspire me with confidence
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The word "Wandy" makes me think of RaffBet
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by Jeffrey Morton on Jul 31, 2011 10:00 AM MDT up reply actions
it's pretty much just what I expected
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#yankees dont llike wandy’s contract, or necessarily his pitching. but they know they need to do something. #tradedeadline
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by black_knight101 on Jul 31, 2011 10:20 AM MDT up reply actions
And now comes the time to make our move...
Alan Johnson for Banuelos, Betances, Montero and Nova.
and Cano, just because they tried to screw with us on Ubaldo…
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Junction Rox on Jul 31, 2011 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions
We might have to ask Texas to throw in the Pixie if we want Cano too.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 31, 2011 11:24 AM MDT up reply actions
I'll be mad if they trade three of those for Wandy
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 31, 2011 2:05 PM MDT up reply actions
Wallace, Barmes, Castro
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 31, 2011 9:58 AM MDT up reply actions
Fidel?
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by Hollidayrain on Jul 31, 2011 10:16 AM MDT up reply actions
Brandon Lyon
Barmes, and JR Towlessssssssss
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also, I think the ghost of Jeff Bagwell is still on the 25 man roster
if not, definitely the 40
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Why do you all hvae to take me so seriously?
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It was a nice two second distraction
/sniffles as I slip on my Ubaldo jersey
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 31, 2011 9:58 AM MDT up reply actions
maybe it's less about responding to your query
and more about schadenfreude
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I don't have time to track the Phillies' AAA affiliate
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by Northsider1964 on Jul 31, 2011 9:57 AM MDT up reply actions
Clint Barmes, Aneury Rodriguez, Carlos Lee
Tried to think of a third former Rockie, but there isn’t one
I knew we were doomed this spring
when I attended a Ubaldo start in spring training in which he got hit around, then a falcon pooped all over my Ubaldo jersey
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 31, 2011 9:59 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
This made me laugh
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by nodakroxfan on Jul 31, 2011 10:01 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
hahahahaha
this made me laugh and I’m not sure why.
Obviously, this falcon is our GM and DOD is a puppet.
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thats our season in a poop shell
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by El Paso Jeff on Jul 31, 2011 10:05 AM MDT up reply actions
This Sickels piece on Alex White is really encouraging.
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esh.....not a fan of the beard
other than that…
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by Jeffrey Morton on Jul 31, 2011 10:05 AM MDT up reply actions
the beard creates extra drag on his pitching motion
this allows his arm to catch up and stay in sync with his torso as well as slow down his delivery overall just enough to allow White more time to pronate his wrist giving his breaking pitches more downward action.
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Interesting
I thought it just kept him warm in the winter.
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by Jeffrey Morton on Jul 31, 2011 10:10 AM MDT up reply actions
that too
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actually...one question
sinker ball pitchers are heavily reliant on their sinker pitch (obviously) I’d be curious to find out how long these types of pitchers last in the majors…because it seems like if they lose their sinker they can’t compensate with other pitches like more traditional pitchers do.
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by Jeffrey Morton on Jul 31, 2011 10:08 AM MDT up reply actions
and yes....I'm basing this heavily on Cook
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by Jeffrey Morton on Jul 31, 2011 10:09 AM MDT up reply actions
Cook and Westbrook are pretty decent examples.
It seems like you have about a five year run in most cases.
Hudson
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what is it? 11am in OH?
stop being so logical this early in the morning!
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Brandon Webb would have been there as well, if his shoulder didn't explode
FFFFFFFFFFF.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 31, 2011 10:27 AM MDT up reply actions
luckily, its one of 4 pitches that he has
but we all know what can happen when a sinkerballer loses his sinker
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by black_knight101 on Jul 31, 2011 10:09 AM MDT up reply actions
It seems like Cook had 1 1/2 great years and has either been injured or losing his sinker in the rest
so I would hope that he’s an aberration.
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by Jeffrey Morton on Jul 31, 2011 10:12 AM MDT up reply actions
I wonder if it's also an issue of
sinkerballers becoming so reliant on the pitch that they don’t develop other pitches as much, thus leaving them screwed in the even the sinker gets weak….
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very encouraging
You should also take a look at this pitch f/x analysis of his first start.
Love the Alex White pickup. Very good groundball pitcher. He already has the fastball/sinker to compete on the major league level. The question is with his slider…thankfully, we have Bob Apodaca to bring that together.
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by black_knight101 on Jul 31, 2011 10:06 AM MDT up reply actions
Good analysis
It’ll be curious to see if the haul is as Hershal Walker-esque as Dan said he needed it to be. Renck’s article really hit on our lack of success at the top end of drafts which has really limited our ability to field a quality team.
Beginning in 2005 we took Tulo in the first round but missed on Chaz Roe. Could have been Clay Bucholtz or Jed Lowrie in the supplemental. In the second round we took Daniel carte and zack Simons and passed on Travis wood, chase headley, Yunel Escobar and Kevin Slowey.
2006. We all know that Greg Reynolds is no Evan Longoria or Tim Lincecum but this first round was loaded with production. Clayton Kershaw, Drew Stubbs, Max Scherzer, Kyle Drabek, Ian Kennedy, and Daniel Bard. Though I would have been pissed if they’d taken Bard that high…see Weathers, Casey. Second round we took OF David Christensen, passing over Trevor Cahill and Justin Masterson.
2007 it was Casey Weathers. This one hurts me most because of the lack of value a reliever brings at eighth overall. Jason Heyward, Rick Porcello, Cincinatti’s precious Devin Mesoraco, and Madison Bumgarner were all on the board.
2008 brought Christian Friedrich who few thought would be on the board. Good pick there. Followed up with Charlie Blackmon in the 2nd, another good signing.
2009. Who knows what Tyler Matzek will be but I won’t knock it. I stayed up to make sure he signed before the deadline. Tim Wheeler at the back end of round one looks like a steal. Brothers in the supplemental. This is what a draft of a free agent wall flower needs to look like in the early rounds. Great job here.
2010. Kyle Parker has done well thus far. I think he’s more of a likely replacement for Todd despite better legs than Ben Paulsen.
No team hits on all of them early. Is it particularly fair to cherry pick O’Dowd’s work here?Yes Because of the business model of leaning so heavily on home grown talent.I forgive Subway for their nasty breakfast foods because they are a sub shop first and foremost. In the same vein I forgive the Rockies when outside talent like Luis Vizcaiano, Jose Lopez, and Ty Wiggington don’t pan out because they’ve reiterated this is an internal operation which it should be judged on. Right now we ’re in this mess because our primary product has failed.
Here’s hoping the next wave is better.
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by InToddwetrust on Jul 31, 2011 10:08 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Eric Seidman's FanGraphs article came to a similar conclusion about this being a lack of faith in draft results.
Both cases disregard Latin American success, which luckily has been saving the Rockies bacon the last few years, but there’s a definite issue with the team’s identification of amateur US pitchers that are most likely to have success.
and hitters!
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failed opportunity
As good as the Rockies have been at identifying and developing under the radar Latin American players that does not mean that the lack of premium talent in the farm system is not at all related to the decisions the Rockies make in Latin America.
I do not expect the Rockies to sign a high profile, big bonus player every year in Latin America but I would love to see Rolando Fernandez have the additional resources to go get a top tier player when he is really sold on one.
Jesus Montero is an example of a player who Fernandez was all over very early on but who was so good that he did not stay under the radar. For less than what the Rockies paid Jose Lopez they pretty much could have outbid the Yankees for Montero when he signed. Just a crude example.
It sort of reminds me of the Twins and drafting pitching – they are so good at getting bargains and developing lesser arms into decent pitchers that they seem to have convinced themselves that they don’t need impact arms. There is no reason that they can’t continue to develop the diamond in the rough pitchers while keeping an eye out for the chance to add the occassional power arm.
starting in 2008
it looks like we got our game together a bit more, but we’ll see. I know 2008 and 2009 experts loved our drafts…
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I'll give you that we blew it in '06, but I'm not for a moment going to put Kershaw on the list of 'we should've taken him'.
He signed with the Dodgers because they were the Dodgers. Had we drafted him, he’d have played college ball and we’d be even worse off than we were with Greggy.
But how can you forgive Subway for their poor quality subs?
Processed meats . . . yuck.
by blooming rock on Jul 31, 2011 12:56 PM MDT up reply actions
Here's a thought I had
This deal makes a little more sense if you assume the FO is expecting Matzek to bust.
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if the FO forces Matzek to unlearn whatever he just did during his vacation
then I’d have to agree.
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Not to bust, just not to contribute as soon as thought.
It’s really more of an indictment of Friedrich than it is Matzek
basically what i was about to say
Matzek not likely to make an impact till 2014 at the earliest.
It does say a lot about our MLB ready top-level pitching, which was basically none before this trade.
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by black_knight101 on Jul 31, 2011 10:15 AM MDT up reply actions
I spent some time this morning trying to figure out where Tyler Anderson fits in our long term plans
especially if he goes all Jeff Francis on us in the minors
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that could be said about a lot of guys now.
especially with a guy like Bettis really making some noise.
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by black_knight101 on Jul 31, 2011 10:20 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm thinking he will be depth
Another B/B+ pitching prospect in our system. Could be a rotation piece though.
I like the new site sig
Although you had to slightly modify the quote
Worshiping the holy trinity of Cargo, Tulo, and Ubaldo
I'd like to think it was perhaps my greatest indirect contribution to this site.
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it made up for the avatar
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 31, 2011 10:14 PM MDT up reply actions
that was YOUR indirect greatest contribution to the site
almost as good as your direct contributions to progressive rock.
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at least we won't be pulling players off the field today
given our start time…..
a thought on catchers
does anyone else worry about having a 22 year old rosario, who supposedly needs to learn a lot about handling pitchers, handling a VERY YOUNG starting staff next year???
Me...
…but then, it’s an even numbered year and we’ve never been any good in those. Rosario has to learn to handle a staff sometime, and if we can’t make room for him today, that’ll have to be on-the-job training next year…
Not keeping Torrealba was a mistake...
He did such a great job calling games and the guy was such a great competitor. The Rox have gone right down hill after he left…
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by Lost Winter on Jul 31, 2011 11:28 AM MDT up reply actions
FISTPUMPZ
FFFFFFFFFFF.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 31, 2011 11:29 AM MDT up reply actions
"The Rox have gone right down hill after he left…"
Well, can’t argue with that, but using that same logic, we’ve also gone downhill since Garrett Atkins left.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 31, 2011 11:30 AM MDT up reply actions
Jason Marquis was the answer.
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 31, 2011 10:15 PM MDT up reply actions
You see, I kind of go the other way with this
I think Rosario might do better with guys closer to his own age. No real evidence for this, just a hunch on my part.
makes sense on the surface, i suppose
an older pitcher might be less likely to agree with a younger catchers suggestions
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lets just use our 2012 money for something good and not another wigginton
Well I know I tend to get along and work better with people my own age
So that’s kind of what I was basing it on
yeah, Mortenson would be my guess as well
at least until White finishes his rehab starts
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what's this stuff about White maybe being a closer??
i don’t see much in his history that says anything other than starter.
it's not completely unfounded
it depends on whether his slider develops. without it, he has a fastball, sinker, and splitter, which might not be enough to stick in a rotation. most think that he would be a very good closer if he went that route. the good news is that a lot of scouts/GMs think his slider will develop, from what I’ve read.
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by black_knight101 on Jul 31, 2011 10:36 AM MDT up reply actions
some viewed him as a late inning reliever if other pitches didnt develop
that doesn’t appear to be a concern anymore
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Rogers will move into the rotation
so we’ll call up a reliever. Need a long man, so either Mortenson or Reynolds.
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by black_knight101 on Jul 31, 2011 10:34 AM MDT up reply actions
mortenson???
long reliever/spot starter to take esmil’s spot
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Do we start kicking the tires on any of our position player prospects (wheeler, rosario, pacheo?) before sept 1? probobly dependent on trades today but still interesting to think about
totally depends on trades today
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by black_knight101 on Jul 31, 2011 10:37 AM MDT up reply actions
that would be half the benefit of swapping these guys at the deadline
if we get something valuable, great.
If not, at least we get a two month audition of our young guys
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by black_knight101 on Jul 31, 2011 10:41 AM MDT up reply actions
File away in the least surprising thing you'll hear at the trade deadline folder
SUNDAY, 1:05am: Uncertainty after a review of Harden’s medicals led to the deal coming apart, tweets Speier.
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stop it....
christ, to go through all this in reverse…
argghhhhh
I'm curious what the "physical" on Ubaldo is going to involve
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by black_knight101 on Jul 31, 2011 10:43 AM MDT up reply actions
Jorge Cantu
We signed him yesterday? he reported to AAA CS?
Yes
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 31, 2011 2:07 PM MDT up reply actions
Big pitching day in our Minors
Matzek on the mound at 5pm ET
Friedrich on the mound at 7pm ET
Bettis on the mound at 9pm ET
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this is just an overall exciting day for the minor league system
fitting that those three are pitching
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by black_knight101 on Jul 31, 2011 10:50 AM MDT up reply actions
Nice
Now I have something to do during this horrible drive to Milwaukee
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by nodakroxfan on Jul 31, 2011 11:06 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
"He's a right handed bench bat and will be a minor league free agent after this season if he's not on the 40 man roster"
2006 draftee, he’ll be a free agent after 2012 not this year.
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I made the edit to reflect that the risk is still there with the Rule 5 draft.
He’s sort of a fringe possibility for that if a team feels that he’s close to MLB ready.
Yeah, I had the same thought...
… the Rockies are going to have a difficult time deciding who to protect this year. Trying to break down the roster as it could stand before the reserves deadline, we lose Ellis to free agency, and I’m still assuming we ditch both Cook and Giambi via declining their mutual options. That plus the current empty spot from Stults leads to the ability to activate De La Rosa, Blackmon, Morales and Daley from the 60 as will be mandated by November 20th, just to get back to 40. If we make more trades today, more spots open, but that doesn’t factor in potential September roster purchases like Wheeler.
The PuRPs that are eligible for the draft after this year are Friedrich, Cabrera, Campos (originally thought he was safe, but he signed a year earlier than I knew at first), Field, Mesa, Zuanich and possibly Adames (hard to tell because of his weird signing date, but I’m leaning towards yes right now). Brad Emaus and Daniel Turpen are protection possibilities if there is room, having both already received Rule 5 interest before. Parker Frazier’s name needs to be in there too. It’ll also be interesting to see if the Rockies react to Dan Houston’s breakout year with a shot on the 40 Man. None of the incoming pitchers from the trade will be, just McBride. Other fringe names (but doubtful anywhere near enough room at this point) might include Angelys Nina and Kurt Yacko. Ortega and Cleary Jr. get an extra year of safety due to their age upon signing.
We’re going to have to make some cuts; Rohlinger and Roenicke are the obvious ones, but Cory Riordan, Cole Garner etc. are on the block too. The Rockies also may choose to cut Greg Reynolds over the offseason rather than take him to Spring Training on the roster and let him compete for #5 or long relief.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 31, 2011 11:17 AM MDT up reply actions
It wouldn't surprise me at all of the only ones they protected are those first four.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 31, 2011 11:19 AM MDT up reply actions
So, I just woke up.
I assumed yesterday was just an extended bad dream and Ubaldo was still a Rockie. I think I’ll o back to sleep and try again.
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Aw
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 31, 2011 10:56 AM MDT up reply actions
Sorry cat
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 31, 2011 11:25 AM MDT up reply actions
So RIRF
How do you feel about it?
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I have mixed emotions
I wanted to rob some team blind, and I don’t think we quite did that. If the deal was Pomeranz, White, Gardner, and Kipnis – I would have been satisfied and if I was DOD I would have held out another 18 hours or so to see if Cleveland blinked on that. This isn’t terrible though.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 31, 2011 11:34 AM MDT up reply actions
May I borrow this giant sadface....
My two favorite players are gone/going to other teams….Ubaldo and now possibly Iannetta….this sad face doesn’t even touch how sad I am…
Absolutely
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 31, 2011 12:13 PM MDT up reply actions
/hugs for butterfly
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Bourn is now a Braves. 3 minor leaguers and Jordan Schafer
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Great...just what we needed them to get, one of the top 3 defensive CFs in the game...
…oh, well…at least it wasn’t SF?
Interesting Clemens comparison
Clemens also very well may have used steroids….haha
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by Franchise26 on Jul 31, 2011 11:03 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Very nice story
How do you get your kids to behave? Threaten not to take them to a Rockies game. They straighten up REAL QUICK.
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by Roxman4ever on Jul 31, 2011 11:10 AM MDT up reply actions
Great piece
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 31, 2011 10:23 PM MDT up reply actions
FFFFFFFFFFF.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 31, 2011 11:05 AM MDT reply actions
Brad Ziegler traded to Arizona.
FFFFFFFFFFF.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 31, 2011 11:08 AM MDT reply actions
for Brandon Allen and Jordan Norberto
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jeez, two major league players for Ziegler?
They must’ve been desperate
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by Hollidayrain on Jul 31, 2011 11:11 AM MDT up reply actions
They are as fringe of MLB guys as you can get.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 31, 2011 2:08 PM MDT up reply actions
Oakland the relief factory.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 31, 2011 11:20 AM MDT up reply actions
As much as it will be great if we can actually get a return for Stewart selling this low, I think most of us would much rather they trade Wigginton first.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 31, 2011 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions
I'd love to trade both
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by black_knight101 on Jul 31, 2011 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions
Play Nelson at third?
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 31, 2011 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions
Yes, he's been putting up average CSP numbers, though his job security may take a bit of a hit with McBride on his way.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 31, 2011 11:26 AM MDT up reply actions
actually let me rephrase that
I’d love to trade Wiggy.
I have a hard time seeing us getting value for Stewart, but if we can, I can see why we might trade him. Especially if the organization is starting to trust Nelson.
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by black_knight101 on Jul 31, 2011 11:24 AM MDT up reply actions
Considering how bad Ian has been
he’d probably make right good Giant
/ducks
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@KevinGoldstein: An inability to hit the baseball.
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by Muzia on Jul 31, 2011 11:33 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I lol'd
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by Hollidayrain on Jul 31, 2011 11:35 AM MDT up reply actions
That's hilariously sad
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FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
nkkrause Nick Krause
#BlueJays trying to get Iannetta… probably to flip to the #Giants who need a C. #Rockies
FFFFFFFFFFF.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 31, 2011 11:21 AM MDT reply actions
I'd rather have a Jays prospect than a giants prospect right now
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we've just been anthopoulos'd
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by Hollidayrain on Jul 31, 2011 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions
The only exception.
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probably to flip to the #Giants
FFFFFFFFFFF.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 31, 2011 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions
I predicted that two weeks ago and have been operating under the assumption CDI goes to San Fran since then
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Ringolsby on MLB Network just mentioned Travis Snider as a possible return. I might be in the minority here, but… #want
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by Franchise26 on Jul 31, 2011 11:26 AM MDT up reply actions
Whoa, really?
I like that.
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DUDE
I’M DOWN
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by Hollidayrain on Jul 31, 2011 11:27 AM MDT up reply actions
Suggestion seemed to be it would be a multi-player deal. I’d throw in a C-level arm with Iannetta if it brought Snider back.
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by Franchise26 on Jul 31, 2011 11:29 AM MDT up reply actions
Iannetta + Dan Houston
Done. Next.
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by black_knight101 on Jul 31, 2011 11:31 AM MDT up reply actions
Conveniently opens up a spot at AA's rotation for Gardner, too.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 31, 2011 11:31 AM MDT up reply actions
I think in layers, man.
Also opens up the possibility of trading one of our lefty OF this winter.
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and if he's not going to get protected this offseason in the Rule 5, why not?
he’s probably a perfect candidate to add onto a deal today.
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by black_knight101 on Jul 31, 2011 11:32 AM MDT up reply actions
wow. DO WANT.
FFFFFFFFFFF.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 31, 2011 11:28 AM MDT up reply actions
Stress on the "almost" or the rest of the sentence?
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 31, 2011 11:37 AM MDT up reply actions
Snider's an intriguing bat, but with that K rate, there's a good chance he's not as valuable as Iannetta.
Especially since catcher’s the premium position. I actually think it’s the Jays that should be including something extra, not the Rockies.
buying low on him might be very worthwhile
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by black_knight101 on Jul 31, 2011 11:29 AM MDT up reply actions
he's apparently been scratched
queue the speculation.
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by black_knight101 on Jul 31, 2011 11:35 AM MDT up reply actions
YES
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SO HAS YUNEL ESCOBAR
WE’RE TRADING TULO!!!! OOHHH NOOEEESSSS!!!!!
Was that enough speculation? Too much?
I could go either way....
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(JUST JOKING EVERYONE)
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you probably should be quiet about that fact today
Everybody already hates anybody who ever said a word in defense of a possible Jimenez trade.
I still feel about about that.
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Um.
I still feel bad about that.
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I'll feel about about that for you, then.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 31, 2011 11:40 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
TULO'S IN THE LINEUP, WE CAN CALM DOWN NOW
EY2 and Wigginton are also in the lineup, it’s not looking like they’re going to get moved.
whew
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by El Paso Jeff on Jul 31, 2011 11:45 AM MDT up reply actions
Can't we just give someone Wigginton for free?
I really don’t want to pay him $4million next year for more of what he’s given us this season.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 31, 2011 11:45 AM MDT up reply actions
Maybe we'll trade him in the offseason.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 31, 2011 11:46 AM MDT up reply actions
I'll be driving that bus
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 31, 2011 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions
EY2 and Wigginton are also in the lineup
oh goddamnit.
FFFFFFFFFFF.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 31, 2011 11:46 AM MDT up reply actions
No more Doomstache? :(
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the difference between scratched and not starting appears to be unclear
hold on i can’t find the tweet i saw. it said something like “Snider scratched but it appears not related to a trade”
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by black_knight101 on Jul 31, 2011 11:40 AM MDT up reply actions
Tracy hates starting catchers night/day like this
Iannetta is getting traded
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by black_knight101 on Jul 31, 2011 11:41 AM MDT up reply actions
also Wiggy is listed as a starter
and a bench bat. maybe we acquired his twin.
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by black_knight101 on Jul 31, 2011 11:42 AM MDT up reply actions
This is not difficult math...
So, what happens if Fonzie gets hurt today?
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by Junction Rox on Jul 31, 2011 11:42 AM MDT up reply actions
But he might get traded too
Esmil can catch
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by nodakroxfan on Jul 31, 2011 11:48 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Gotta keep his bat in the lineup...
2 hits last night – ride the hot bat…
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by Junction Rox on Jul 31, 2011 11:51 AM MDT up reply actions
He’d still hit .220 but all of those hits would be go-ahead bloop singles in the 8th inning.
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by Franchise26 on Jul 31, 2011 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions
Even though we're not going to catch them
I’m still happy the Giants are losing 3-0 in the first.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
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void Main()
boolean Giantslosing;
boolean Iamhappy;
If Giantslosing = True
{
Iamhappy = True
else
Iamhappy = False
}
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by Hollidayrain on Jul 31, 2011 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions 7 recs
hopefully somebody else other than me finds this hilarious
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by black_knight101 on Jul 31, 2011 11:45 AM MDT up reply actions
These are some of my favorite jokes on here
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per Renck
Iannetta not in lineup. Blue Jays Indians and Pirates have had interest iannetta was supposed to start so we’ll see what means
WILIN TIME.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 31, 2011 11:51 AM MDT up reply actions
Watch them call up Pagnozzi.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 31, 2011 11:53 AM MDT up reply actions
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
FFFFFFFFFFF.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 31, 2011 11:54 AM MDT up reply actions
no thanku
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by El Paso Jeff on Jul 31, 2011 11:54 AM MDT up reply actions
wow hope not
In all seriousness though I think Rosario said he was receiving signals that he was going to be called up soon. Irv Moss had a DP article about it I think.
I was kidding. Mostly.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 31, 2011 11:56 AM MDT up reply actions
Exactly.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 31, 2011 11:58 AM MDT up reply actions
I'd be ok with Pacheco though
and some people have speculated he’d get called up first
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by black_knight101 on Jul 31, 2011 11:59 AM MDT up reply actions
Well it will help the HAR
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One good thing about this trade is
Considering how the sports gods usually treat Cleveland fans, at least two and possibly three of of these guys will probably become absolute stars.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 31, 2011 11:43 AM MDT reply actions
Hopefully a tad faster than Cliff Lee
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 31, 2011 11:46 AM MDT up reply actions
Haha so true
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by nodakroxfan on Jul 31, 2011 11:46 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
sooooo....anyone additionally been traded yet?
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by Jeffrey Morton on Jul 31, 2011 11:43 AM MDT reply actions
Maybe Ellis too
from Renck
No Mark Ellis starting either. Not sure why either There had been interest in him for trades as well
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Tracy gets to put the B lineup out there
and nobody complains, because we’re all speculating about which players not starting are about to be traded
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by black_knight101 on Jul 31, 2011 11:47 AM MDT up reply actions
Ellis gets Sunday off fairly frequently
I’m not sure we can read into that at all.
Iannetta though, Tracy can’t stand not putting him out there after the Fonz was in last night. He’s getting traded.
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by black_knight101 on Jul 31, 2011 11:49 AM MDT up reply actions
But he didn't start yesterday
Why would Tracy sit him two days in a row?
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by black_knight101 on Jul 31, 2011 11:53 AM MDT up reply actions
Ellis didn't play last night either though did he?
He doesn’t usually get 2 games.
I think Nelson played 2B last night.
Yes Nelson played last night
and so did Alfonso
sidebar: I always want to call him Alfonso Eliezar instead of the other way around. Weird.
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I knew Alfonzo did.
Grand slam, yo! But honestly I wasn’t paying a ton of attention to the on-field action in general.
Well, the reasons for the B lineup are probably very different
with trade speculation and all, than during the season, when you know it was often inexplicable.
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that's what Tracy wants you to think
meanwhile, he’s dancing around in the clubhouse because he put all of the subs in
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by black_knight101 on Jul 31, 2011 11:52 AM MDT up reply actions
yup
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by El Paso Jeff on Jul 31, 2011 11:53 AM MDT up reply actions
So basically
By the time this game starts, the only guy on our bench might be Jonathan Herrera.
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Just how Jim likes it
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so......whats the problem??
He is. The answer
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by El Paso Jeff on Jul 31, 2011 11:52 AM MDT up reply actions
Matt Reynolds is tall enough to fill in at 1B when we trade Helton. lol
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 31, 2011 11:59 AM MDT up reply actions
Seth Smith isn't on this lineup card
I’m not gonna read into that.
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by Hollidayrain on Jul 31, 2011 11:53 AM MDT up reply actions
that's pretty damn special right there
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there is a lack of Seth Smith on that lineup card.
FFFFFFFFFFF.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 31, 2011 11:54 AM MDT up reply actions
Looks like they just forgot to remove Wigginton from the bench and add Smith.
Probably counted the number and said, eh, that’s right.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 31, 2011 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions
Wigginton's also on there twice
I assume Smith should be where the second Wigginton is, considering Ty is listed as a left-hander on the bench
touche
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by Hollidayrain on Jul 31, 2011 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions
also are 4-9 hitters
don’t have hands
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by djmbluemoon on Jul 31, 2011 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
jeez *our
that’s poor
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by djmbluemoon on Jul 31, 2011 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions
i think we ARE facing a lefty
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by black_knight101 on Jul 31, 2011 11:54 AM MDT up reply actions
OMG- thesuspense...
Introducing: The 2011 Colorado Rockies???
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2011 1/2 Colorado Rockies
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Well, even the most pessimistic projections on Pomeranz
Seem to have him being as good as Jorge de la Rosa. I can live with that.
You know
CDI to Toronto makes so much sense as another great AA move……I just really really REALLY hope we don’t undervalue what he is, which is a top 10 fairly cheap player at a premium position.
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by Jeffrey Morton on Jul 31, 2011 11:54 AM MDT reply actions
This really is the most terrifying weekend in baseball.
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but strangely fun at the same time
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by black_knight101 on Jul 31, 2011 11:57 AM MDT up reply actions
fun...like a kick to the stomach
I feel…..ummm Raided, i think was the word I’m supposed to use
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by El Paso Jeff on Jul 31, 2011 11:59 AM MDT up reply actions
Since there's no pebble report
Anyone know much about Nelson Gonzalez? Seems to be doing well at Tri City this year
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I'll try and get one up later today.
Gonzalez is a guy I’ve been meaning to write about, he’s got a big curveball that’s fueling his K numbers. Very interesting prospect.
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by nodakroxfan on Jul 31, 2011 12:17 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Will everyone worth mentioning be already on the Rox MLB roster?
kidding
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by Jeffrey Morton on Jul 31, 2011 12:01 PM MDT up reply actions
San Fran reporter says this
Blue Jays are working hard on Iannetta, perhaps as a precursor to flip Jose Molina to the Giants.
This would make me feel better
I really, really hate the idea of seeing CDI dressed like a pumpkin, catching that long haired hippy and The Beard…
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by Junction Rox on Jul 31, 2011 12:03 PM MDT up reply actions
I have a hard time hating Lincecum and Wilson, actually
My problem is mostly with their management — Sabean and Bochy are probably two of my least favorite people in baseball
through MLBTR
@extrabaggs Andrew Baggarly
Blue Jays are working hard on Iannetta, perhaps as a precursor to flip Jose Molina to the Giants.
This makes me feel better, that Iannetta wouldn’t be flipped to the Giants. Rather see another catcher end up there.
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by black_knight101 on Jul 31, 2011 12:00 PM MDT reply actions
quickly followed up by this
SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman
#SFGiants not interested in jose molina. so my 2nd molina suggestion was just in my imagination
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by black_knight101 on Jul 31, 2011 12:01 PM MDT up reply actions
After his tweets during the Ubaldo sweepstakes
I’m more inclined to believe Baggarly
Heyman seems to have OK sources
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by black_knight101 on Jul 31, 2011 12:03 PM MDT up reply actions
even Alfred?!
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 31, 2011 10:51 PM MDT up reply actions
If the Rockies trade CDI
A 2012 title seems VERY unlikely to me. 2013 and beyond will look outstanding though.
Amazing that less than a year ago we all thought we had a window that was going to close after 2014. Now we have one that may not open until 2013.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 31, 2011 12:18 PM MDT up reply actions
I still think we'll be competitive considering our division
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We haven't been competitive this year in that same division
either the Gints are DBacks need to back up, or DO’D is going to have to be some kind of wizard filling holes in the lineup. I’m willing to say that the overall pitching will be the same or maybe a little better. But until we actually add an MLB ready bat at a position of need, I can’t be as positive about the offense…
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by Junction Rox on Jul 31, 2011 12:23 PM MDT up reply actions
I think Muzia's kind of taking the assumption that the Rockies aren't finished prepping for 2012.
And they seem to be shopping Iannetta with MLB capable players as a return goal, so it’s not a straight subtraction in dealing him.
especially with the extra $20 mil just laying around
and the sudden plethera of lower level arms at our disposal that make excellent complementary pieces in a trade package. This is where it’s nice to have a deep system.
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what are we going to buy??
big bat at 2b, 3b, rf or catcher seems to be the choices – still looking for the right name…
Not sure we can "buy" anything of value on the market
but we can certainly add some salary via trade
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until we actually add an MLB ready bat at a position of need, I can’t be as positive about the offense…
We’ve got some pitching depth, a few deadline moves and $20 million to work with. Time for Dan to start working his wizardry. Let’s just hope he was paying attention in Transfiguration class….
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by Junction Rox on Jul 31, 2011 12:37 PM MDT up reply actions
You can't have it both ways though :-)
You have been driving the “we need to trade Ubaldo because we don’t have enough to be competitive next year with him” bus, but now that he’s gone we may have enough to be competitive without him next year?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 31, 2011 12:30 PM MDT up reply actions
There's a difference between "contender" and "competitive"
I think we’ll be competitive next year.
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There's a very vauge line there
and you and I both know you’re smart enough to use it to play both side of the fence.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 31, 2011 12:38 PM MDT up reply actions
Right now, we’re competitive. I still think we’re a few black holes away from contender, but at least we have assets to try and acquire those holes.The top pitching talent really opens up the rest of our system as assets.
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Okay
If you consider the 2011 Rockies competitive then I agree. I consider competitive more of where the D’Backs are.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 31, 2011 12:42 PM MDT up reply actions
I think we will be better in 2012 than in 2011 and by a decent margin
Dbacks isn’t a bad goal for 2012, and not unattainable
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Why?
"They’re not wanting us to show up at the stadium and say, ’We’re going to lose today.’ That’s the way I’m looking at it. I keep showing up every day and playing hard." Ubaldo
by rururuland784 on Jul 31, 2011 1:36 PM MDT up reply actions
No Aaron Cook.
Much deeper rotation depth, with better emergency backups.
Tulo and Cargo will likely pay more towards their potential.
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oh, and Herrera will NOT be our Opening Day starter
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He wasn't this year either.
/truth
/:P
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 31, 2011 1:39 PM MDT up reply actions
Heh.
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Oh c'mon Muzia
"They’re not wanting us to show up at the stadium and say, ’We’re going to lose today.’ That’s the way I’m looking at it. I keep showing up every day and playing hard." Ubaldo
by rururuland784 on Jul 31, 2011 1:36 PM MDT up reply actions
it's possible to have it both ways
If what’s gained for 2012 goes beyond what’s lost.
If Pomeranz develops quickly, and White’s as ready as he appears to be, we could be better off for 2012 right now. A slight downgrade and large upgrade in the rotation could amount to a net positive. Not saying that this is most likely, but it’s not a far-fetched notion, either.
Of course, we could be worse off if neither is ready to be an asset, but the downgrade from 2011 Jimenez to 2012 White might not actually be a downgrade at all. If improvements are made to the team elsewhere and this is the case, there’s another chance the Rockies will be in a better situation for next season than they are right now.
We were making the Homer bailey as 75% argument
but White could/should be much closer to 2011 Ubaldo production next year.
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But we are not competitive in 2011 so it's not a fair base to use
We need a big upgrade from Ubaldo to get there.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 31, 2011 12:41 PM MDT up reply actions
I think it's a fair base, but it probably was trivializing that upgrade too much.
2011 with 2011 Ubaldo is a slightly better team than our record indicates, but the gap will be larger than it is this year when the Giants are healthy again.
Even though Stewart and Iannetta (and Ellis) are sitting right now, we can't outright assume they're the only position players being talked about.
They can always just be removed from the game.
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there's some real smoke there in trade talks
You’re probably right that he would have been benched today anyway, but it seems there is an actual trade possibility with him.
But not until they've played at least one inning unnecessarily so
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I found out about the Ubaldo trade last night at the Denver County Fair
While trying to make a post to my facebook about being covered with shredded lettuce by a band called Itchy-O that opened up for Devo.
It somehow felt really surreal. And really apt.
how was Devo, by the way?
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Pretty good. They're a bunch of troopers.
Though the basement of the Western Stock Show Complex is just not a great venue for them, or anybody. Sound mix was horrid, it was only 1/3 full, and the crowd just wasn’t that into it.
please trade Wigginton for whatever you can get for him.
FFFFFFFFFFF.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 31, 2011 12:07 PM MDT reply actions
You'll like him better as a bench player next year, I promise.
Especially now that we have ______ starting at 3B
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I'd be willing to just pay someone to take him
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Thomas Field.
FFFFFFFFFFF.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 31, 2011 12:11 PM MDT up reply actions
Coors Field
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by Junction Rox on Jul 31, 2011 12:12 PM MDT up reply actions
Great name suggestion for a future child of Thomas.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 31, 2011 12:14 PM MDT up reply actions
We can always buy him back from Japan.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 31, 2011 12:12 PM MDT up reply actions
It's quiet.
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too quiet
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by Junction Rox on Jul 31, 2011 12:11 PM MDT up reply actions
....a little too quiet...
FFFFFFFFFFF.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 31, 2011 12:12 PM MDT up reply actions
we need to trade CDI soon
so we have time to move Wiggy
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by black_knight101 on Jul 31, 2011 12:13 PM MDT up reply actions
bwahahahahahah.
FFFFFFFFFFF.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 31, 2011 12:13 PM MDT up reply actions
Oh please let this happen
The Giants are getting to a point where they might really suck in 2014
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 31, 2011 12:24 PM MDT up reply actions
Good. Don't fall for AA's hypnotist trick.
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So, how many teams traded their opening day battery in the same season?
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 31, 2011 12:14 PM MDT reply actions
Well guys and gals I've got to meet up with a friend
Not sure if I’ll be around for the game or not. Who knows, I might only recognize 3 players when I get back.
See you later.
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I'm calling BS on this (for Alonso, specifically)
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by black_knight101 on Jul 31, 2011 12:20 PM MDT reply actions
You don't believe Tracy has changed his managerial strategy overnight?
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Maybe Nelson...
But if that’s the case, the Stewart should be in as well since he’s starting to warm up again.
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by Lost Winter on Jul 31, 2011 12:21 PM MDT up reply actions
we're facing a lefty though
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by black_knight101 on Jul 31, 2011 12:23 PM MDT up reply actions
We have Yonder Alonso now? :p
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 31, 2011 12:22 PM MDT up reply actions
Maybe that's why Seth isn't on the lineup card?
/mongers rumors…
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by Junction Rox on Jul 31, 2011 12:24 PM MDT up reply actions
Interesting take on Ubaldo trade from Keith Olbermann, who as I understand is a big fan of baseball and not a polarizing public figure in any way, shape, or form.
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Hey, once we get inside the turnstiles at the ballpark, we’re all the same.
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by Franchise26 on Jul 31, 2011 12:28 PM MDT up reply actions
so true
that’s like a metaphor for America…
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by Hollidayrain on Jul 31, 2011 12:36 PM MDT up reply actions
Keith Olbermann is well spoken
Good read
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by Hollidayrain on Jul 31, 2011 12:34 PM MDT up reply actions
According to MLBN
The Rangers have a deal in place for Heath Bell
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 31, 2011 12:25 PM MDT reply actions
will be interesting to see what they had to give up for him
the Padres in 2013 and beyond may have just got a lot better given some of the chips they have
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by djmbluemoon on Jul 31, 2011 12:27 PM MDT up reply actions
Now they are saying that it might be for Mike Adams
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 31, 2011 12:32 PM MDT up reply actions
Still waiting to hear what may be coming to the Pads
We don’t need them build up anymore
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 31, 2011 12:32 PM MDT up reply actions
Robbie Erlin and Joe Wieland. Pretty great gets for them.
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by Franchise26 on Jul 31, 2011 12:33 PM MDT up reply actions
Crap
Just heard that. Sounds like the Pads are an incoming tide
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 31, 2011 12:34 PM MDT up reply actions
via Grant at MCC
The two prospects the Padres got for Mike Adams: 27 walks in 251 minor leagues innings this year. #petcoperfect
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and the Rangers are giving them up because...?
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by black_knight101 on Jul 31, 2011 12:43 PM MDT up reply actions
Adams can help them win a World Series this year. Other two can’t.
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by Franchise26 on Jul 31, 2011 12:44 PM MDT up reply actions
just seems like a high price for Adams
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by black_knight101 on Jul 31, 2011 12:45 PM MDT up reply actions
BR is showing he's signed through 2011
but he does only have 3 + years service time, so is he eligible for FA?
BTW, if I’m the Rangers, a guy who has 3 years service time at 33, who put up great numbers in a great pitchers park, might just make me stop and think a little bit…
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by Junction Rox on Jul 31, 2011 12:50 PM MDT up reply actions
he's a FA after 2012
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by black_knight101 on Jul 31, 2011 12:51 PM MDT up reply actions
He has over four years, and will have opver five at the end of the year.
2012, assuming he gets almost a full year of service time, he’ll be able to declare afterward
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 31, 2011 12:59 PM MDT up reply actions
I think I read BR's page wrong
it said just over 3 years, but it looks like that may be as of 1/2010. Always pays to read the fine print…
Still, those two guys are a high price to pay for a reliever. Especially one who has had all his success at PetCo, and is now going to Arlington…
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by Junction Rox on Jul 31, 2011 1:03 PM MDT up reply actions
They have a serious chance at winning the series?
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Yep.
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They both put up crazy numbers at A+ this year
and Wieland is doing the same at AA.
Wieland has 132 k’s this year with 15 walks (he walked 4 in 85 innings at A+)
Erlin has struck out 123 and walked 12.
I. Can’t. Even. Comprehend.
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by Junction Rox on Jul 31, 2011 12:45 PM MDT up reply actions
Damn you, Padres
with your bullpen arms fashioned out of sticks and mud!
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We couldn't trade Betancourt for one of these guys?
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 31, 2011 12:47 PM MDT up reply actions
That's why I only wanted one of those guys
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 31, 2011 12:53 PM MDT up reply actions
I know
It’s just that teams won’t trade ANY elite prospects for just “decent” players
Betancourt is pretty darn good.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 31, 2011 1:05 PM MDT up reply actions
That's from 2007-2010
includes his freak year in ‘07, when he posted a K/BB 4 higher than any other year in his career, save for last year’s equally insane 11. And he’s 36 now.
if he pitched half his games in petco
he might look pretty damn good….
Adams misses bats as well though
2009: 10.9 K/9, 5.63 K/BB
2010: 9.9 K/9, 3.17 K/BB
2011: 9.2 K/9, 5.44 K/BB
raffie missed
3 in one inning it petco now.
not saying he’s adams, just saying, it makes a huge damn difference.
in petco last night
don’t know where that came from… lol
Even half the national media can't spell Iannetta correctly.
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isn't it a Canadian national media we're talking about?
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I don't post here often but...
How do y’all feel about Jim Tracy? Ubaldo got traded because of his own inconsistencies but if this roster had performed to its talent level things would be better all around.
If one good run is not enough to justify keeping our best pitcher, is it enough to justify keeping our manager?
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Usually trades come first...
If trades don’t yield results, then the coaching staff and manager are evaluated and replaced as needed…
If that doesn’t do the trick, then scouts and the GM are replaced.
That’s usually the model that is followed in most sports.
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by Lost Winter on Jul 31, 2011 12:37 PM MDT up reply actions
We all figure he'll be around next year simply because he's under contract.
If the team scuffles bad, he’ll likely be gone
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Uh Oh
lol I’m not a big fan of the manager, but I do like the guy. But is Tom Runnels going to make the team magically perform better? Highly doubtful.
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You never know
people probably said the same thing about Tracy when Hurdle was fired.
I don’t know how I feel about Tracy to be honest. Its a confusing and extremely disappointing season. I just want some damn answers on why it has come to this.
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But at least Tracy had been a proven major league manager in the past
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by Hollidayrain on Jul 31, 2011 12:47 PM MDT up reply actions
I think that the Hurdle situation was much different, honestly
The team had seriously underperformed in 2008, and 2009 got off to a terrible start. Everyone knew that Hurdle had to go, and it had become a daily watch. I really think that led to the guys squeezing the bats a lot tighter, and they just couldn’t focus. Plus, Hurdle knew he was on the way out, and he was making knee-jerk reactions because of that. When Hurdle was finally canned, it was like popping a balloon, letting all the pressure out. Then it was just back to playing baseball.
This is different. Right now, today, changing the manager seems like it’d be more “WTF?” inside the clubhouse then, “Thank God, we can just play again.”
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I wouldn't advocate it now
But at the end of the season perhaps
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I agree with everything you've said here.
I actually could see it early in the season next year, give him a couple of months to show that he can get the team inspired to play to their capabilities.
that guys
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by El Paso Jeff on Jul 31, 2011 12:52 PM MDT up reply actions
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by El Paso Jeff on Jul 31, 2011 12:52 PM MDT up reply actions
I just LOL'd at this from Buster Onley
“Realignment has been approved; Astros moving to the Pacific Coast League. (just kidding…)”
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by Hollidayrain on Jul 31, 2011 12:37 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Yeah that’s a Tripping Olney tweet from the real Olney.
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by Hollidayrain on Jul 31, 2011 12:39 PM MDT up reply actions
Ugh, Robbie Erlin to the Padres for Mike Adams.
Plus Wieland. PETCO sure gives them an advantage in trading pitchers that Coors rarely seemed to give us in trading hitters.
Cleveland close to acquiring Wandy Rodriguez too
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I think he's new
Guess he feels obligated to make something happen
Though, this trade apparently fell apart
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by Hollidayrain on Jul 31, 2011 12:58 PM MDT up reply actions
richardjustice Richard Justice
by Buster_ESPN
Hearing Astros close to trading Wandy Rodriguez to Cleveland for 2 minor leaguers.
FFFFFFFFFFF.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 31, 2011 12:49 PM MDT reply actions
Cleveland is making quite a splash.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 31, 2011 12:50 PM MDT up reply actions
unleash the midges.
FFFFFFFFFFF.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 31, 2011 12:54 PM MDT up reply actions
Um.
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You can't help but wondering if this has something to do with Ubaldo's physical
Unlikely, but the last 24 hours has been so crazy….who knows?
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by Hollidayrain on Jul 31, 2011 12:51 PM MDT up reply actions
crazier things have happened
but that rotation still needed help, even after Ubaldo
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by black_knight101 on Jul 31, 2011 12:52 PM MDT up reply actions
renck tweeted 2 hrs ago that Ubaldo's physical was about done
if there was a problem, it would have leaked by now…
very true
Just paranoia, haha
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by Hollidayrain on Jul 31, 2011 12:55 PM MDT up reply actions
this.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 31, 2011 12:55 PM MDT up reply actions
Jimenez
Rodriguez
Tomlin
Masterson
Carrasco
Carmona
Somebody is going to be the odd man out…
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by Junction Rox on Jul 31, 2011 12:54 PM MDT up reply actions
The AL could have one HELL of a September/October the way things are going
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 31, 2011 12:55 PM MDT up reply actions
That is formidable to say the least
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by Hollidayrain on Jul 31, 2011 12:56 PM MDT up reply actions
that didn't last long
richardjustice
Wandy NOT going to Cleveland. That deal has cooled. Others percolating.
FFFFFFFFFFF.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 31, 2011 12:56 PM MDT reply actions
trade deadline day is very "fluid"
as I saw someone say on twitter
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by black_knight101 on Jul 31, 2011 12:57 PM MDT up reply actions
ah
jonmorosi Jon Morosi
by Ken_Rosenthal
#BlueJays have entered the bidding for Wandy Rodriguez, source says. #Astros #Yankees
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by black_knight101 on Jul 31, 2011 12:58 PM MDT up reply actions
Stark says that Stewart's drawing interest from the Yankees
as well as the mystery NL team Renck referred to. I’m guessing the Phillies.
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by black_knight101 on Jul 31, 2011 1:00 PM MDT up reply actions
It would be awesome if we could pick up Brackman
He was the third “killer B” prior to this year but has been hit hard at AAA
1 hour left to make deals
This is usually one of the most exciting 60 minutes of the season
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 31, 2011 1:00 PM MDT reply actions
So, Yanks interested in Stewie, eh?
Yeah, now there’s a perfect successor to Arod in the Bronx.
Personally, I have a hard thinking there’s much to gain by dealing him now, when he can’t possibly be any lower in value. Maybe O’D will surprise me, but I’m in favor of having him stick around and see if anything at all is left.
So if Verlander throws a no hitter here
that locks up the AL Cy Young right?
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Not necessarily locked up
Jered Weaver have been ridiculous too
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by Hollidayrain on Jul 31, 2011 1:03 PM MDT up reply actions
(even though he's pwning him today)
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by Hollidayrain on Jul 31, 2011 1:04 PM MDT up reply actions
wow...."he's pwning him"
I’m not thinking straight.
Verlander is killing Weaver…
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by Hollidayrain on Jul 31, 2011 1:05 PM MDT up reply actions
2 no hitters in one year has him beat
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true
Just saying, it’s not quite a lock yet
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by Hollidayrain on Jul 31, 2011 1:06 PM MDT up reply actions
Weaver just got tossed from the Tigers game
Carlos Guillen showed him up big time after hitting a HR, and Weaver put the next pitch right over Alex Avila’s head. Weaver was extremely pissed coming off the field…
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by Junction Rox on Jul 31, 2011 1:05 PM MDT up reply actions
way too much head hunting going on the past few days
really don’t like to see that.
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by black_knight101 on Jul 31, 2011 1:06 PM MDT up reply actions
@CaminoTribe: Source confirms Matt McBride is in an Akron hospital with eye fracture ball struck him during BP Friday. Holding up Jimenez trade.
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by black_knight101 on Jul 31, 2011 1:06 PM MDT up reply actions
Huh.
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by Hollidayrain on Jul 31, 2011 1:07 PM MDT up reply actions
We'll gladly take Chisenhall or Kipnis instead
finish the paperwork…
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by Junction Rox on Jul 31, 2011 1:07 PM MDT up reply actions
we'll thrown in friedrich
and your choice of ellis, nelson, or ey2.
or hell, all three of them.
for kipnis or chisenhalll…
mcbride isn't that hard to replace..
kipnis…. lol
Kipnis or bust!!!!!
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 31, 2011 1:07 PM MDT up reply actions
carlos santana it is then
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by waterboy31321 on Jul 31, 2011 1:07 PM MDT up reply actions
it's just as good as money...
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by Junction Rox on Jul 31, 2011 1:09 PM MDT up reply actions
I think the Rockies probably actually liked McBride though
sure, he’s filler, but there’s a reason why they picked him over another filler prospect
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by black_knight101 on Jul 31, 2011 1:09 PM MDT up reply actions
exactly, we don't know if Cleveland has another prospect the Rockies like as much and the Indians are willing to part with.
McBride does have a nice bat.
26 year old guy who hasn't hit above AA?
If he was somehow a key piece to this deal from the Rockies’ perspective, he must have some hidden superpower waiting to be unleashed on the world.
not a key piece, but a lot of fans are taking it too far to the other extreme.
He does have a bit of MLB potential.
Anyone got a site w/comprehensive twitter feed....
…with all the insider/beat writer types?
If you're not already folloeing a bunch of guys
Purple Row is probably you’re best bet. People here will keep passing the info along
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 31, 2011 1:08 PM MDT up reply actions
From the fishing grounds in Alaska
I thought I would chime in and say how deeply saddened I am to see Ubaldo leave. That is all.
Hating Cubs fans since 1908
Lets do something
lets trade wiggy or CDI or bet or somebody
we haven’t made a trade in forever
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I know, it's been so long.
I remember back when we used to give up our best pitcher ever for AA prospects all the time.
The delay in Detroit gives me time to iron my shirt. Right on.
Low-cut blouses are looked down upon in this establishment.
Verlander back on the hill now
Angels try to bunt for a hit with Aybar leading off.
Verlander sends the throw into RF – E1, Voldemort still intanct
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by Junction Rox on Jul 31, 2011 1:13 PM MDT up reply actions
Wow, I don't blame Weaver for being pissed
What the HELL was Guillen doing?
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yeah, like I said, I don't blame him for being pissed
But you can’t just throw at the next guy’s head
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by Hollidayrain on Jul 31, 2011 1:14 PM MDT up reply actions
he was
being an ass…
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by Junction Rox on Jul 31, 2011 1:13 PM MDT up reply actions
whoa
what’s the betting Verlander threw that away on purpose
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I know
tongue in cheek
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doubt it
I think he could have gotten the out
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by Junction Rox on Jul 31, 2011 1:14 PM MDT up reply actions
Craig Counsell now owns the longess hitless streak in Brewers history. 0-43.
retire already, dude.
FFFFFFFFFFF.
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 31, 2011 1:14 PM MDT reply actions
*longest
FFFFFFFFFFF.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 31, 2011 1:14 PM MDT up reply actions
That Rockies 2B curse is persistent
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by Junction Rox on Jul 31, 2011 1:15 PM MDT up reply actions
So if the Rockies and Indians don't work out this McBride thing in the next 45 minutes, the deal falls through right?
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 31, 2011 1:15 PM MDT reply actions
I'd say there is 1% chance it falls through
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by waterboy31321 on Jul 31, 2011 1:16 PM MDT up reply actions
Agree
But stranger things have happened
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 31, 2011 1:19 PM MDT up reply actions
They could always change it to a PTBNL, couldn't they?
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by Junction Rox on Jul 31, 2011 1:16 PM MDT up reply actions
I suppose that's true
But unlikely, since the injury is being reported as minor.
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by Hollidayrain on Jul 31, 2011 1:16 PM MDT up reply actions
doesn't sound minor to me.
Matt McBride is in an Akron hospital with eye fracture
FFFFFFFFFFF.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 31, 2011 1:17 PM MDT up reply actions
probably fractured orbital bone.
FFFFFFFFFFF.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 31, 2011 1:18 PM MDT up reply actions
foul ball during BP
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by black_knight101 on Jul 31, 2011 1:19 PM MDT up reply actions
Huston Street understands
although luckily he didn’t fracture anything…
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by Junction Rox on Jul 31, 2011 1:20 PM MDT up reply actions
Definitely doesn't sound minor, sounds like Juan Encarnacion
But apparently, it is? We’ll see….
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by Hollidayrain on Jul 31, 2011 1:18 PM MDT up reply actions
they'll get it done
i really hope it doesn’t prevent us from getting another deal done though
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by black_knight101 on Jul 31, 2011 1:16 PM MDT up reply actions
Votto bomb
8-0 Reds over SF
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A guy bunts during a no-no. If it was a hit, I’d be giving the old middle finger sign on the next hitter.
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I remember when Ben Davis did that to break up a perfect game
Ouch
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by Hollidayrain on Jul 31, 2011 1:21 PM MDT up reply actions
lol
2 errors for Verlander
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This Tigers/Angels game is insanity.
FFFFFFFFFFF.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 31, 2011 1:17 PM MDT reply actions
shutout gone
but still Voldemorting…
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by Junction Rox on Jul 31, 2011 1:18 PM MDT up reply actions
he's trying to let them score a run and throw a no hitter, isn't he
FFFFFFFFFFF.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 31, 2011 1:19 PM MDT up reply actions
And now you're at a point where a base hit makes it a one runs game
Tigers can’t mess around because both teams really need this game. This is fascinating
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 31, 2011 1:20 PM MDT up reply actions
there goes the no no
FFFFFFFFFFF.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 31, 2011 1:21 PM MDT reply actions
I think the Angels are going to win this game
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 31, 2011 1:22 PM MDT up reply actions
only way to top it so far is with a bench clearing brawl.
FFFFFFFFFFF.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 31, 2011 1:22 PM MDT up reply actions
Which could certainly still happen
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 31, 2011 1:24 PM MDT up reply actions
3-2 now...
but still no ER allowed by Verlander, I think…
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by Junction Rox on Jul 31, 2011 1:23 PM MDT up reply actions
no hitter gone
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no hitter broken up
rbi single
LETS GO RED WINGS!
2011 will be the year....better be....
Troy Tulowitzki: "When people think of the Rockies, I want them to think of a winning organization."
never realized how bad the Tribe's line up looks
hope they get Ludwick and Jimenez can help them with their October push
I am going on a 4 day 4 park road trip in the Midwest September 8th-11th and one of the games I am seeing is Cleveland @ Chicago…hopefully Ubaldo pitches that game on Sept 8th lol
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Troy Tulowitzki: "When people think of the Rockies, I want them to think of a winning organization."
that's why the whole "don't bunt to break up a no-no" thing is BS
Close game, you get on base however you can. and look what happened.
If it’s a blowout, I understand anger. But this is an “unwritten rule” that makes no sense.
If it really mattered they would put it in writing.
Like the whole don’t make the first or third out at third.
very true
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by waterboy31321 on Jul 31, 2011 1:27 PM MDT up reply actions
It’s an unwritten rule because it is part of the competition. But the other half of the unwritten rule is “don’t complain when you get drilled in the ribs a time or two after that”.
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Still doesn't make any sense
Basically, a team in pennant contention in a 3-0 game is supposed to actually remove parts of its offensive attack because the other guy is throwing a no hitter? Screw that. he purpose of playing is to win, not to facilitate other guys’ accomplishment.
good for Aybar.
I think WT has it right
do what you gotta do. Bunt if you want. Don’t cry when you get drilled. Everyone moves along.
I can't take it!
No trade talk!!!!!!
Lets trade somebody for something
I really liked that Travis Snider deal
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Ludwick to Pirates close
according to Morosi….
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Rosenthal - McBride injury is minor and won't hold up the deal
So the whole “fractured eye socket in hospital” isn’t true….or is that what Rosenthal considers minor?
I'd like to hear from Renck on this one...
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by Junction Rox on Jul 31, 2011 1:30 PM MDT up reply actions
Buster Olney
Source: Ubaldo Jimenez has been OKed in his physical and the deal is all set. #trades
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Welp.
#PointOfNoReturn
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.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CyXBxCup8U
How do you get your kids to behave? Threaten not to take them to a Rockies game. They straighten up REAL QUICK.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
I'm not surprised.
I knew all along there was no physical problems.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 31, 2011 1:35 PM MDT up reply actions
What is the latest? Anything yet? There is only 25 minutes left.
Trade Stewart for CC….NOW!
How do you get your kids to behave? Threaten not to take them to a Rockies game. They straighten up REAL QUICK.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
Even if we make more trades, we may not find out before the deadline itself.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 31, 2011 1:35 PM MDT up reply actions
This is true
The Manny trade in 08 didn’t come through until 22 minutes after the deadline
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 31, 2011 1:36 PM MDT up reply actions
I don't understand this at all
As sellers, the only meaningful guy we have moved so far is Ubaldo. Why are Wiggy, Spilly, and other moveable pieces still here.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 31, 2011 1:35 PM MDT reply actions
25 minutes left, dude
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I wanted several of these guys moved.
I think time is running out for that.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 31, 2011 1:37 PM MDT up reply actions
deals can happen at the last minute
also the last thing teams are doing right now is talking to the reporters. they’ll deal with them at about 2:15 MT
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by black_knight101 on Jul 31, 2011 1:41 PM MDT up reply actions
IAWTC.
I’m really confused right now.
I think Stew will be gone though, seems like DOD is really pushing to move him.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 31, 2011 1:36 PM MDT up reply actions
I wanted RafBet moved too.
But I guess there’s not enough bullpen depth to do that. Or something.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 31, 2011 1:39 PM MDT up reply actions
Sell for some goooooood stuff
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And that might explain why there's no action
rox don’t have to dump salary, so why give guys away?
Haha Verlander telling Aybar from the dugout that he’s taking one in the ribs.
Low-cut blouses are looked down upon in this establishment.
It's a crying shame these two teams don't play each other again in the regular season
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 31, 2011 1:39 PM MDT up reply actions
ALCS hopefully lol
long shot I know
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by TuLoRocks2008 on Jul 31, 2011 1:39 PM MDT up reply actions
Aybar up now
as the potential final out of the game. Tying run at 2nd. Can’t believe Valverde would be crazy enough to drill him…
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by Junction Rox on Jul 31, 2011 1:44 PM MDT up reply actions
i think i have found a good hangover cure: greasy delicious Thai food.
FFFFFFFFFFF.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 31, 2011 1:41 PM MDT reply actions
The only Rockie that remains on the roster from Ubaldo's 2006 debut is Helton
FFFFFFFFFFF.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 31, 2011 1:43 PM MDT reply actions
Tulo was there too
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 31, 2011 1:43 PM MDT up reply actions
Sure was
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 31, 2011 1:44 PM MDT up reply actions
Cook?
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Spilborghs?
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
maybe he meant actually on the field.
but Huson just mentioned it on the pre game show
FFFFFFFFFFF.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 31, 2011 1:48 PM MDT up reply actions
ah word
so sad, yet so beautiful.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I'm glad I'm not getting work done because I'm distracted by the trade deadline
as if there weren’t going to be a bunch of transactions in August that make me scratch my head saying well then what the hell is the other trade deadline for .
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I guess I don't see much happening in 20 minutes
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If Stewart is the only one who gets moved today
I’m not going to be a happy camper
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 31, 2011 1:45 PM MDT up reply actions
yo don't worry
there’ll be nothing but trades in August. Just like every year.
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Beltran (who's not in the lineup today)
Seems to have really helped the Giants offense. They’ve managed five runs at Great American Ballpark this weekend against Willis, Leake and Cueto.
I'm pretty sure he was in there.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 31, 2011 1:48 PM MDT up reply actions
Point still stands.
SSS and all. I think over the long haul, Beltran will help the team’s offense quite a bit.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 31, 2011 1:49 PM MDT up reply actions
It's interesting how Boras set that up.
I’m expecting it to be another Manny Ramirez type of situation, I’m just glad he’s not doing what Manny did at first with the Dodgers.
I can't wait for the Giants to pay him 15mil for 5 years
and watch him spend all that time on the DL
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure that Beltran will resign there
And the Giants will probably give him the money Muzia just said.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 31, 2011 1:56 PM MDT up reply actions
Problem is that the Giants have gotten the most production out of the corner outfield positions and 3B
so it limits the upgrade they could get from Beltran’s bat. It would have helped them even more if he was let’s say playing 1B
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 31, 2011 1:54 PM MDT up reply actions
/Belt joke
Well, a Ross/Schierholtz platoon LF + Beltran RF will help the offense, I fear.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 31, 2011 1:55 PM MDT up reply actions
hater
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
and they're about to get shut out today by Cueto
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by Junction Rox on Jul 31, 2011 1:48 PM MDT up reply actions
hater
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
it's all good
I secretly like it.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Its not like he is some hot commodity for a contender
he is a project, something not a lot of contenders are focused on
I’m pissed we couldn’t get rid of weiggy and get sometinh for him
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by waterboy31321 on Jul 31, 2011 1:49 PM MDT up reply actions
hold on
it might be 30 minutes before we realistically find out about a trade
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by black_knight101 on Jul 31, 2011 1:50 PM MDT up reply actions
Wiggy could be an August trade also
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It's official
Giants lose 9-0.
Feels so good
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 31, 2011 1:51 PM MDT reply actions
Doesn't matter
with Ubaldo Gone, we are now going to be watching the Padres to make sure we are not in last place for the next few seasons…. this team is done for…
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
For 2011? Sure.
2012 and beyond?
Don’t get ahead of yourself.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 31, 2011 1:53 PM MDT up reply actions
That every fifth day he pitched is really going to be the downfall of this team
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What about this team makes you think we are a contender
We spent the last 15+ years trying to find an ace, spending gobs of talent and money on people like Saberhagen, Tsao, Hampton, Astacio, Kile, ect… we finally get one who wants to spend his career here, and we ship him out for a party plater of Prospects who’s upside might be Jeff Francis and Aaron Cook….
This deal is a disaster… and has set the team back for another 15+ years.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
by wolf213 on Jul 31, 2011 1:55 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's not their upside, brah.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 31, 2011 1:57 PM MDT up reply actions
15+ years??
Is that when Jimenez picks up his 300th win for the Indians at age 42?
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Yes
because 15+ years is what it took to find a Ubaldo type talent…. they don’t just grow on trees, especially in a crap farm system like ours.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
"crap farm system"
/Umad.jpeg
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 31, 2011 1:59 PM MDT up reply actions
This is all just so wrong and wrong-headed and emotion driven that it’s hardly worth responding to.
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No, that's when you should've posted Umad.jpeg
Lol.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 31, 2011 2:00 PM MDT up reply actions
You can dislike the deal without appearing completely irrational or uninformed, you know
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This deal is a disaster… and has set the team back for another 15+ years
I think that speaks for itself.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 31, 2011 2:21 PM MDT up reply actions
that's like, super-irrational
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
trade ubaldo for the moon, sign hamels for the world: the secret to our success...someday
Francis and Cook? Those are your comps for two of the top 50 prospects in baseball?
Okay. If that’s what you believe, I can’t blame you for being upset. But that’s not this return.
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so was justin verlander and david price
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trade ubaldo for the moon, sign hamels for the world: the secret to our success...someday
So were Justin Verlander, Jeff Weaver, Roy Halladay… do you really want to do this? Really, think about the tack you’re taking here, think about how badly you’re going to lose this argument, before continuing.
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Your a decent writer Franchise, and a decent stats guy
You happen to be one of the few writers here I respect…. lets be smart here.
Out of all the top prospects… statistically how many of them do not reach their ceiling?
For every Just Verlander, there are about 5+ Frankln Morales’s… we had a sure thing for 3+ years in Ubaldo… we traded him for 2 things that might have a good chance to succeed, but I wouldn’t call them anything close to a sure thing at all.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
It’s the fact that your argument against acquiring upside prospect arms is ‘Well, Franklin Morales!’ that I take the most issue with here, as though all pitching prospects are created equal and that Ubaldo Jimenez is the only pitcher who could ever emerge from the Rockies minor league system and pitch at the front of a big league rotation.
Any time you’re trading for any prospects, you’re projecting. Of course we all know that. But to just dismiss the quality of the guys we received in return because Franklin Morales flamed out is not fair.
Also, I loved Ubaldo as much as anyone here, but to act like he was a Verlander/Price/Halladay class of pitcher is just not correct. He had three great months and has been pretty good to very good in every other year of his career.
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by Franchise26 on Jul 31, 2011 2:36 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Right all I am saying
is statstically there are more Franklin Morales type prospects that flame out, rather then the Jimenez types that work out…. I do like what we got in return… we just had no reason to trade a sure thing signed to a reasonable contract, for something that is far less then a sure thing.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
why is he a sure thing?
that’s the one thing that nobody against the trade can actually demonstrate: ubaldo is not a sure thing, or he wouldn’t have been traded to being with
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He's certainly more of a sure thing than any prospect
that can’t be denied
"They’re not wanting us to show up at the stadium and say, ’We’re going to lose today.’ That’s the way I’m looking at it. I keep showing up every day and playing hard." Ubaldo
by rururuland784 on Jul 31, 2011 3:02 PM MDT up reply actions
Welcome to the Row
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 31, 2011 3:04 PM MDT up reply actions
what a time they've chosen to join
jeeze
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Hey
This thread is almost as good as the game
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 31, 2011 3:07 PM MDT up reply actions
really?
So why would the Indians trade a high-cieling, MLB-ready prospect if he was more of a sure thing, let alone three other players?
"They’re not wanting us to show up at the stadium and say, ’We’re going to lose today.’ That’s the way I’m looking at it. I keep showing up every day and playing hard." Ubaldo
by rururuland784 on Jul 31, 2011 3:05 PM MDT up reply actions
because that's a risk they were willing to take
and many are panning them for that decision.
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so they were blackballed essentially?
"They’re not wanting us to show up at the stadium and say, ’We’re going to lose today.’ That’s the way I’m looking at it. I keep showing up every day and playing hard." Ubaldo
by rururuland784 on Jul 31, 2011 3:11 PM MDT up reply actions
can and is
there’s a very distinct possibility that jimenez has already peaked, and we’ll never see the 6+ WAR pitcher we had in 2009-2010 again. this season is proof positive of that
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His June and July FIP and xFIP
June: 3.07/3.23
July: 3.02/2.61
Looks pretty good to me. Right in line with 2009 and 2010
SSS and you know it
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wut
April/May aren’t SSS?
"They’re not wanting us to show up at the stadium and say, ’We’re going to lose today.’ That’s the way I’m looking at it. I keep showing up every day and playing hard." Ubaldo
by rururuland784 on Jul 31, 2011 3:06 PM MDT up reply actions
look back to the ASB last year
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why stop at that point
seems rather arbitrary, doesn’t it; at least as arbitrary as stopping at May this year.
Why not start with 2009 until this point (he’s the 10th best starter in all of baseball in that time)
"They’re not wanting us to show up at the stadium and say, ’We’re going to lose today.’ That’s the way I’m looking at it. I keep showing up every day and playing hard." Ubaldo
by rururuland784 on Jul 31, 2011 3:09 PM MDT up reply actions
ok fangraphs doesnt have a pre ASB/post ASB so I can only post the month to month numbers
2010
July: 4.21/4.37
Aug: 2.54/3.42
Sept: 3.06/3.51
what is your point?
demonstrated the best command of his career
in June and July (before yesterday)
"They’re not wanting us to show up at the stadium and say, ’We’re going to lose today.’ That’s the way I’m looking at it. I keep showing up every day and playing hard." Ubaldo
by rururuland784 on Jul 31, 2011 3:05 PM MDT up reply actions
he's also demonstrating the worst velocity of his career, and has been hittable all year
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He was never going to reach his apex of succ
sitting at 97+ Never could control it. He’s controlling it much better and turning it up when needed. still one of the fastest fb’s in baseball.
"They’re not wanting us to show up at the stadium and say, ’We’re going to lose today.’ That’s the way I’m looking at it. I keep showing up every day and playing hard." Ubaldo
by rururuland784 on Jul 31, 2011 3:10 PM MDT up reply actions
I’m pretty sure April-June 2010 was the apex of success for Ubaldo Jimenez. That’d be the apex of success for almost every pitcher ever, to have three months that good.
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conventional numbers aside
deal with non babip peripherals, and I would def. disagree.
"They’re not wanting us to show up at the stadium and say, ’We’re going to lose today.’ That’s the way I’m looking at it. I keep showing up every day and playing hard." Ubaldo
by rururuland784 on Jul 31, 2011 3:12 PM MDT up reply actions
you can't just not deal with BABIP
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perhaps
but you can’t tell me Ubaldo’s current stuff should be hit at .309
"They’re not wanting us to show up at the stadium and say, ’We’re going to lose today.’ That’s the way I’m looking at it. I keep showing up every day and playing hard." Ubaldo
by rururuland784 on Jul 31, 2011 3:23 PM MDT up reply actions
this year? I think that's accurate..
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you think a guy
with 3-5 plus pitches who sits at 93-96 with plus movement is going to be a .309 against? C’mon man, let’s play poker.
"They’re not wanting us to show up at the stadium and say, ’We’re going to lose today.’ That’s the way I’m looking at it. I keep showing up every day and playing hard." Ubaldo
by rururuland784 on Jul 31, 2011 3:27 PM MDT up reply actions
He's had 3-5 plus pitches this year? Huh.
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he's had one, his changeup
fastball is a wash.
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I look at his slider, splitter, change-up and
both his 2 seam and 4 seam pitches as plus, currently. Now, he didn;t have any plus pitches when he had cuticles and that will reflect poorly in fangraphs pitches.
"They’re not wanting us to show up at the stadium and say, ’We’re going to lose today.’ That’s the way I’m looking at it. I keep showing up every day and playing hard." Ubaldo
by rururuland784 on Jul 31, 2011 3:36 PM MDT up reply actions
vs. L
2006: 20.0%
2007: 16.7%
2008: 18.1%
2009: 20.4%
2010: 22.7%
vs R:
2006 14.3%
2007: 17.1%
2008: 17.1%
2009: 18.6%
2010: 15.9%
2011: 19..5%
What do you think is the easier explanation for the highest LD rates against of his career, a cuticle, 3 mph off the FB? I think it’s the latter, especially since the highest he’s ever had were just in the last month.
it's not 3 mph off since his recovery
less than 2 mph. All those numbers are skewed from April and early May where it was more than 3mph slower (like low 90s in his first start)
"They’re not wanting us to show up at the stadium and say, ’We’re going to lose today.’ That’s the way I’m looking at it. I keep showing up every day and playing hard." Ubaldo
by rururuland784 on Jul 31, 2011 4:23 PM MDT up reply actions
they're not
fangraphs has batted ball splits by month
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Looks pretty consistent to me.
His last start before yesterday was as slow as April. June was pretty much the same velo as May.
Deal me in
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 31, 2011 3:28 PM MDT up reply actions
i'll call you
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=3374&position=P#platediscipline
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check his plate discipline and batted ball profiles
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yes it can.
Jimenez’s velo drop is the kind of outside factor that messes up any projection you might have for him until you know if it’s permanent, ongoing or temporary. This is the big problem I have with the Heltonfan argument at the other board. He’s assuming it’s a non-issue, which is completely false.
Your arrogance is unfounded
just make the argument if it’s so obvious, and do it without all fallacies.
"They’re not wanting us to show up at the stadium and say, ’We’re going to lose today.’ That’s the way I’m looking at it. I keep showing up every day and playing hard." Ubaldo
by rururuland784 on Jul 31, 2011 3:03 PM MDT up reply actions
it's not arrogance to think ubaldo is going to play first half 2010 for the rest of his career?
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that's for franchise
"They’re not wanting us to show up at the stadium and say, ’We’re going to lose today.’ That’s the way I’m looking at it. I keep showing up every day and playing hard." Ubaldo
by rururuland784 on Jul 31, 2011 3:07 PM MDT up reply actions
I don’t get what I said that you’re taking so much issue with. What argument do I need to be making?
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"Really, think about the tack you’re taking here, think about how badly you’re going to lose this argument, before continuing"
your general tone throughout most of your posts.
"They’re not wanting us to show up at the stadium and say, ’We’re going to lose today.’ That’s the way I’m looking at it. I keep showing up every day and playing hard." Ubaldo
by rururuland784 on Jul 31, 2011 3:14 PM MDT up reply actions
yes, but he was much farther away
these guys are in AA or above, and most of the risk is mitigated.
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they're also highly polished college guys
far less risk than high schoolers or international signings
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No,, they are prospects and that's all they will ever bee is prospects
even if the second best pitcher in the deal has already shown he can be a quality MLB pitcher
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and only established major league pitchers will ever be established major league pitchers.
guys certainly can’t develop into them.
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haha
c’mon. enough with the strawmen
"They’re not wanting us to show up at the stadium and say, ’We’re going to lose today.’ That’s the way I’m looking at it. I keep showing up every day and playing hard." Ubaldo
by rururuland784 on Jul 31, 2011 3:19 PM MDT up reply actions
francis and cook?
try kershaw and webb
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Right and what did we do to address the other 4 days?
"They’re not wanting us to show up at the stadium and say, ’We’re going to lose today.’ That’s the way I’m looking at it. I keep showing up every day and playing hard." Ubaldo
by rururuland784 on Jul 31, 2011 2:00 PM MDT up reply actions
We got Pomeranz/White/Gardner.
That’s what they did.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 31, 2011 2:01 PM MDT up reply actions
not to mention make most of our current farm system
quality depth and good trade assets.
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Yeah, in the winter O'Dowd has to look to upgrade the offense.
There is plenty of pitching in this system.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 31, 2011 2:04 PM MDT up reply actions
Ubaldo was supposed to upgrade the offense
Did we forget the arguments we we’re making before yesterday at approximately 5pm PT?
"They’re not wanting us to show up at the stadium and say, ’We’re going to lose today.’ That’s the way I’m looking at it. I keep showing up every day and playing hard." Ubaldo
by rururuland784 on Jul 31, 2011 2:08 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure we spent the last two weeks also discussing the B's
and other top starting pitching talent.
We got two top guys that are essentially MLB ready.
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But what was always included was an impact bat
"They’re not wanting us to show up at the stadium and say, ’We’re going to lose today.’ That’s the way I’m looking at it. I keep showing up every day and playing hard." Ubaldo
by rururuland784 on Jul 31, 2011 2:10 PM MDT up reply actions
I’ll take two elite arms and a third high upside arm.
We can figure out the rest this offseason.
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We could have figured it out this off-season w/Ubaldo
nothing changes in that regard. You’re saying we have more “assets” to trade for those pieces, but you only have once chance to trade Ubaldo. He was the only piece at this moment in time to be a guaranteed to get a huge return. Every time you do a deal to make another deal, there is a cost involved
"They’re not wanting us to show up at the stadium and say, ’We’re going to lose today.’ That’s the way I’m looking at it. I keep showing up every day and playing hard." Ubaldo
by rururuland784 on Jul 31, 2011 2:15 PM MDT up reply actions
We aren't trading White or Pomeranz
But it does free up Friedrich, Bettis, Cabrera, etc as system depth now in packages. We didn’t have that freedom before.
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I understand we wouldn't be moving White or Pom
But we had pitching depth with Ubaldo. Not quite as much, but at the very least we had a “known” on our hands. We have added two unknowns and a highly questionable.
"They’re not wanting us to show up at the stadium and say, ’We’re going to lose today.’ That’s the way I’m looking at it. I keep showing up every day and playing hard." Ubaldo
by rururuland784 on Jul 31, 2011 2:19 PM MDT up reply actions
You say depth
and then you name one player. That’s not depth.
Depth is no longer depending on Greg Reynolds or Alan Johnson. Depth is no longer having to call up Nicasio to the majors after 9 AA starts.
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lol
" Friedrich, Bettis, Cabrera, etc "
"They’re not wanting us to show up at the stadium and say, ’We’re going to lose today.’ That’s the way I’m looking at it. I keep showing up every day and playing hard." Ubaldo
by rururuland784 on Jul 31, 2011 2:24 PM MDT up reply actions
That wasn't depth before
those were guys we NEEDED to succeed. Now? It’d be a nice asset.
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What are you talking about?
we have one spot in the rotation, if you don’t count hammel, and we have three solid pitching prospects
"They’re not wanting us to show up at the stadium and say, ’We’re going to lose today.’ That’s the way I’m looking at it. I keep showing up every day and playing hard." Ubaldo
by rururuland784 on Jul 31, 2011 2:53 PM MDT up reply actions
one spot?
the only starters who have opening day jobs for sure are chacin and nicasio
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talking pre-trade
I’m saying pre-trade we had 4 locks in the rotation (if we count JDLR) with 3 SP prospects
Post trade we have 3 spots in rotation with 5 legit SP prospects
"They’re not wanting us to show up at the stadium and say, ’We’re going to lose today.’ That’s the way I’m looking at it. I keep showing up every day and playing hard." Ubaldo
by rururuland784 on Jul 31, 2011 2:56 PM MDT up reply actions
that's literally the best problem to have in baseball
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Not always
just probabilities….and I’m not sure they’ve changed much by trading a known for two unknowns, the disappointing part is we did nothing to address any of our other issues. And that’s the point.
"They’re not wanting us to show up at the stadium and say, ’We’re going to lose today.’ That’s the way I’m looking at it. I keep showing up every day and playing hard." Ubaldo
by rururuland784 on Jul 31, 2011 3:00 PM MDT up reply actions
Jimenez is not a known.
Not a known. What he has done in the past is known, but the future is a pretty big mystery given his velocity drop.
That's what DOD is arguing
and it is a fundamentally different argument than what he originally made (there are probably reasons for that) and it’s certainly different from the arguments of the trade Ubaldo crowd on PR
"They’re not wanting us to show up at the stadium and say, ’We’re going to lose today.’ That’s the way I’m looking at it. I keep showing up every day and playing hard." Ubaldo
by rururuland784 on Jul 31, 2011 3:22 PM MDT up reply actions
It would have been a pretty stupid argument publicly
to make before he got a deal done…
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Junction Rox on Jul 31, 2011 3:23 PM MDT up reply actions
understand that, hence parenthetical
statement
"They’re not wanting us to show up at the stadium and say, ’We’re going to lose today.’ That’s the way I’m looking at it. I keep showing up every day and playing hard." Ubaldo
by rururuland784 on Jul 31, 2011 3:34 PM MDT up reply actions
Pretty sure it's the one I've been making
Try and explain or justify his results from the last year as you might, the fact is that Jimenez has been a middle of the rotation starter from just prior to the All-Star break last season until now, not an ace. He was an ace from 2008 until that point, but he hasn’t been for a year now, and there may never have been a better opportunity to trade a middle of rotation starter that people feel could still be an ace. He’s lost 4 mph from his fastball, and he’s seemingly lost confidence on the mound.
You do realize there are like a zillion pitchers who have seen there velocity “drop” …and still succeed.
Plus, when your velocity drops from being the highest in the game to still being far above major league average, what’s the problem?
Even with yesterday’s 1-inning nightmare, I think you should take a little closer look at Ubaldo’s road numbers this year.
Batting average against of .183 WHIP of 1.08. ERA of 3.38, and that’s after yesterday’s nonsense. He’s also struck out 67 batters in 61 road innings and given up all of 1 HR on the road.
Pitchers go through slumps just like hitters do. Matt Kemp had a big 2009, a bad 2010…now he’s an MVP candidate again. Stuff happens.
Ubaldo got beat up at home this year a bit…it happens. I’ll let you in on another little secret as well. Ubaldo drew some incredibly bad umpire luck the first two months. Out of the 75+ umpires in MLB, out of his first 7 starts 6 of them came against umpires who are currently ranked in the top 10 regarding average runs scored/game in which they’re behind the plate.
Ubaldo will be fine long-term exactly where he is. Sure, he could get hurt. Almost all pitchers do at some point, but to act like he’s that much of an unknown commodity is short-sighted.
Just to be clear…not saying the Rockies can’t win this deal. They can. But it’s a risk for them as well. A significant one. Despite the irrational fear over losing some velocity, I’ll take those Ubaldo road numbers anywhere, anytime.
good points.
I don’t actually disagree with much of this. I do think Ubaldo will ultimately be fine, a quality TOR pitcher, but I really don’t know if he’s there yet, and I don’t believe his ceiling is the same anymore.
I’m just trying to realistically gauge the risks on both sides, so far it seems people are more interested in downplaying one and exaggerating the other depending on what opinion of the trade they have.
I’d argue that you’re still minimizing the Ubaldo risk by assuming that there will be no further drop in his velocity in the next couple of seasons, and that his spiking LD rate isn’t a function of the decreased velocity. It does happen sometimes that pitchers continue to drop velo once they’ve started dropping it. The risk is significant enough to push the Rockies to trade him, and I know everybody on the keep Ubaldo side thinks the club is run by morons for this, but it was also significant enough to keep at least half of MLB teams on the sideline, and to limit how far out on a limb in trade much of the other half were willing to go.
I do think it’s an interesting point about the umpire luck, thanks for bringing that up.
but there's still plenty of time before 2012 starts to address those issues
and fact is, with the salary we’ve freed up, and additional prospects we’ve acquired, we’re now in a far better position to address those problems
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Starting pitching WAS a serious issue
Remember when everyone hated the Reds offer?
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god that reds offer was trash...
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I bet it would have been better received
if we received a bunch of bats
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no, 1-2 impact bats (potentially)
along with 2 good pitching prospects
"They’re not wanting us to show up at the stadium and say, ’We’re going to lose today.’ That’s the way I’m looking at it. I keep showing up every day and playing hard." Ubaldo
by rururuland784 on Jul 31, 2011 3:15 PM MDT up reply actions
soooo
the yankees deal?
but even more people hated that deal…
of course, it was just yankee hate
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I'm talking trade parameters
"They’re not wanting us to show up at the stadium and say, ’We’re going to lose today.’ That’s the way I’m looking at it. I keep showing up every day and playing hard." Ubaldo
by rururuland784 on Jul 31, 2011 3:20 PM MDT up reply actions
agree
"They’re not wanting us to show up at the stadium and say, ’We’re going to lose today.’ That’s the way I’m looking at it. I keep showing up every day and playing hard." Ubaldo
by rururuland784 on Jul 31, 2011 3:15 PM MDT up reply actions
Wait, I thought we we're making this deal to address our weaknesses
Considering with Ubaldo we’d have a set 4-man rotation (very cheap all together and under control through ’14)
"They’re not wanting us to show up at the stadium and say, ’We’re going to lose today.’ That’s the way I’m looking at it. I keep showing up every day and playing hard." Ubaldo
by rururuland784 on Jul 31, 2011 2:06 PM MDT up reply actions
We made this deal to get the most talent back possible
Making trades to fill holes gets you the Greinke return, which is incredibly underwhelming
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We could
if you believe that White and Pom are locks as MLB starting pitchers.
"They’re not wanting us to show up at the stadium and say, ’We’re going to lose today.’ That’s the way I’m looking at it. I keep showing up every day and playing hard." Ubaldo
by rururuland784 on Jul 31, 2011 2:10 PM MDT up reply actions
these aren't A ball guys. They are essentially already MLB ready
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I understand that
I know the prospects. But they are still unproven prospects. Period.
"They’re not wanting us to show up at the stadium and say, ’We’re going to lose today.’ That’s the way I’m looking at it. I keep showing up every day and playing hard." Ubaldo
by rururuland784 on Jul 31, 2011 2:12 PM MDT up reply actions
Hey, did you know Alex White pitched in the majors this year? and with great success?
Sooooo unproven.
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He was very much average
and got injured
"They’re not wanting us to show up at the stadium and say, ’We’re going to lose today.’ That’s the way I’m looking at it. I keep showing up every day and playing hard." Ubaldo
by rururuland784 on Jul 31, 2011 2:16 PM MDT up reply actions
A 23 year old strikes out 13 in his first 15 MLB innings
and you call that “average”?
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9
bb
"They’re not wanting us to show up at the stadium and say, ’We’re going to lose today.’ That’s the way I’m looking at it. I keep showing up every day and playing hard." Ubaldo
by rururuland784 on Jul 31, 2011 2:21 PM MDT up reply actions
control will come
and is also less of a problem when you K a ton
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
trade ubaldo for the moon, sign hamels for the world: the secret to our success...someday
You want to do this?
Here are his first two starts in the majors.
vs Detroit: 6.0 IP, 6 H, 2 ER, 4 K, 4 BB.
I’ll take that from a debut anytime, especially against that offense.
vs LA Angels: 6.0 IP, 7 H, 3 ER, 6 K, 2 BB
Damn him for throwing two straight quality starts in his first two MLB games!
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Franklin Morales first start
5 1/3 1ER 0bb 4k
"They’re not wanting us to show up at the stadium and say, ’We’re going to lose today.’ That’s the way I’m looking at it. I keep showing up every day and playing hard." Ubaldo
by rururuland784 on Jul 31, 2011 2:30 PM MDT up reply actions
Jeff Francis first start
5ip 1bb 8k
"They’re not wanting us to show up at the stadium and say, ’We’re going to lose today.’ That’s the way I’m looking at it. I keep showing up every day and playing hard." Ubaldo
by rururuland784 on Jul 31, 2011 2:31 PM MDT up reply actions
there are far fewer question marks about White or Pomeranz
than about Morales or Francis.
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David Nied first 3 starts
17ip 3er 12k, 5bb
"They’re not wanting us to show up at the stadium and say, ’We’re going to lose today.’ That’s the way I’m looking at it. I keep showing up every day and playing hard." Ubaldo
by rururuland784 on Jul 31, 2011 2:33 PM MDT up reply actions
You can keep doing this, but I don't know what point you are trying to make
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You're saying he's proven
"They’re not wanting us to show up at the stadium and say, ’We’re going to lose today.’ That’s the way I’m looking at it. I keep showing up every day and playing hard." Ubaldo
by rururuland784 on Jul 31, 2011 2:36 PM MDT up reply actions
Show me where I said that.
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ruru: "They are still unproven."
Muzia: “Hey, did you know Alex White pitched in the majors this year? and with great success? Sooooo unproven.” Want to tell me what else that could mean?
"They’re not wanting us to show up at the stadium and say, ’We’re going to lose today.’ That’s the way I’m looking at it. I keep showing up every day and playing hard." Ubaldo
by rururuland784 on Jul 31, 2011 2:38 PM MDT up reply actions
He's not some A ball guy we're taking a flier on.
He’s an MLB ready impact pitcher that is better than we could have even dreamed about these past two weeks.
He’s not proven, but his risk of flaming out is substantially lower than some of you believe.
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No, don’t you see, it’s only OK if the flame out potential is 0.00%
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
Can we set up a PR poker room?
I’d love to play some of these posters with their definition of “risk”
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I would love to play as well
"They’re not wanting us to show up at the stadium and say, ’We’re going to lose today.’ That’s the way I’m looking at it. I keep showing up every day and playing hard." Ubaldo
by rururuland784 on Jul 31, 2011 2:43 PM MDT up reply actions
That's clearly not the point
There is something between 100 and 0, and it doesn’t change the fact that Ubaldo was a 100
"They’re not wanting us to show up at the stadium and say, ’We’re going to lose today.’ That’s the way I’m looking at it. I keep showing up every day and playing hard." Ubaldo
by rururuland784 on Jul 31, 2011 2:42 PM MDT up reply actions
No, he isn't.
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ubaldo's velocity is significantly down this year, and has a herky-jerk delivery
that’s far from a 100
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trade ubaldo for the moon, sign hamels for the world: the secret to our success...someday
He's a proven, top of the line
starting pitcher. No one is proven into the future. he may regress based on what he’ shown (though I see it as an adaptation), but he’s still proven.
"They’re not wanting us to show up at the stadium and say, ’We’re going to lose today.’ That’s the way I’m looking at it. I keep showing up every day and playing hard." Ubaldo
by rururuland784 on Jul 31, 2011 2:46 PM MDT up reply actions
Hey Muzia
We all hope you’re right.And them some. Let’s leave it at that. Btw, win today and we’re 9 back.
"They’re not wanting us to show up at the stadium and say, ’We’re going to lose today.’ That’s the way I’m looking at it. I keep showing up every day and playing hard." Ubaldo
by rururuland784 on Jul 31, 2011 3:46 PM MDT up reply actions
stephen strasburg first 3 starts
32k 5bb 19IP
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“He’s only thrown 189 1/3 professional innings, and 150 of those were last season. He’s too much of an injury risk, too much of an unknown on the professional level to be the kind of sure-fire thing that the Rockies were looking for.”
"They’re not wanting us to show up at the stadium and say, ’We’re going to lose today.’ That’s the way I’m looking at it. I keep showing up every day and playing hard." Ubaldo
by rururuland784 on Jul 31, 2011 2:35 PM MDT up reply actions
Better cite your sources
We can get into that battle as well, if you want.
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The last is from Rox Girl's post
haha
"They’re not wanting us to show up at the stadium and say, ’We’re going to lose today.’ That’s the way I’m looking at it. I keep showing up every day and playing hard." Ubaldo
by rururuland784 on Jul 31, 2011 2:36 PM MDT up reply actions
Damn. People actually read the Rockpiles?
I surrender. Alex White is garbage.
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finally he gets it
and dont forget pomeranz, he’s just another FrankieMo at best.
prospects are useless, established major leaguers or nothing!
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No one is arguing that
"They’re not wanting us to show up at the stadium and say, ’We’re going to lose today.’ That’s the way I’m looking at it. I keep showing up every day and playing hard." Ubaldo
by rururuland784 on Jul 31, 2011 2:47 PM MDT up reply actions
you may not be, but several people are
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
trade ubaldo for the moon, sign hamels for the world: the secret to our success...someday
I don't think a person needs to go to the extreme
to make a strong argument. That extreme is not sound.
"They’re not wanting us to show up at the stadium and say, ’We’re going to lose today.’ That’s the way I’m looking at it. I keep showing up every day and playing hard." Ubaldo
by rururuland784 on Jul 31, 2011 2:48 PM MDT up reply actions
Franklin Morales was once our number one prospect in the system
and MLB ready…. being a top prospect and being MLB ready don’t mean crap….
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
So where do good pitchers come from, then? Do they just magically appear fully formed at the big league level?
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
by Franchise26 on Jul 31, 2011 2:24 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
For the Rockies they havn't come
Ubaldo was the first Ace we developed in 15 Years…. that is why when they do just magically appear you don’t trade them away for a chance that you might find another one just as good.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
is he the first ace, or is he a very good pitcher whose development timeline coincided with decreasing offense around the league?
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
trade ubaldo for the moon, sign hamels for the world: the secret to our success...someday
best pitcher the rockies ever developed, signed or traded for
Im not sure what you point you are trying to make here
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
my point is, ubaldo isn't the amazing ace many rockies fans think he is
yes, he’s very good, and underrated in several circles, but the fact is, pitching is the new thing
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trade ubaldo for the moon, sign hamels for the world: the secret to our success...someday
That's why
you try to get another TWO just as good. Which White and Pom do have the potential to be.
I’m disappointed we didn’t directly address the offense in the deal, and I think the heat is on O’D until he does. But that doesn’t mean that we gave Ubaldo away for nothing.
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Junction Rox on Jul 31, 2011 2:31 PM MDT up reply actions
But that doesn’t mean that we gave Ubaldo away for nothing.
They why haven’t Pomeranz or White thrown a single inning for us yet? Ubaldo threw like 500 innings for us and we traded him for 2 guys that have given us a combined 0 innings dude. No wins, no nothing. We lost this trade.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
you realize that white would literaly be with the team today if he weren't on a rehab assignment for a freak injury?
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trade ubaldo for the moon, sign hamels for the world: the secret to our success...someday
it was a joke broooooooo
laugh lolzzzz lmao
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
wow
got me good lol
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
trade ubaldo for the moon, sign hamels for the world: the secret to our success...someday
lol
of course Pomeranz and White haven’t contributed for us, the trade was finalized like 4 hours ago
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
you did a fantastic imitation of the fangraphs commenters
oscar worthy
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trade ubaldo for the moon, sign hamels for the world: the secret to our success...someday
Thanks, I was up all night practicing it
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I was right there with you
for about the first sentence. Then the light bulb came on….
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Junction Rox on Jul 31, 2011 5:02 PM MDT up reply actions
You have a point...
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Junction Rox on Jul 31, 2011 4:53 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm sorry
I was away for a bit and when I came back people were making all sorts of crazy claims to lend support to crazy claims.
I wanted in on the fun.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Hey wolf, what do you think of the deal?
Check out Heltonfan’s and my comments “over there”.
Would like to read your thinking there too
or here if you prefer. This is a seminal moment in our history as fans of the Rockies. A truet test of our patience. At my age, it’s not easy to take.
I am still formulating my thoughts on the matter
in such way that I can write them down without getting banned… as soon as I do I will make a fanpost or post over “there”
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
they're the Colorado Rockies
not the Springfield Nuclear Power Plant softball team.
I think we’ll be alright long term.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
.
FFFFFFFFFFF.
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 31, 2011 1:57 PM MDT up reply actions
I knew I could count on you here
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
this makes me wish
I’d mourned Junior’s retirement more
Campaigning for more day baseball games since 2006
LOL, I just noticed Steve Sax in the handcuffs
FFFFFFFFFFF.
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 31, 2011 1:59 PM MDT up reply actions
no, you should get off the ship while you can!
We’re all sinking! The sky is falling! Meteors! Dinosaurs! WE STILL HAVE DINGER!
i just got hit by a piece of falling sky
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by nodakroxfan on Jul 31, 2011 1:57 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't care if we were already mathematically eliminated
I still enjoy a good ol’ fashioned Giant beatdown.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 31, 2011 1:57 PM MDT up reply actions
I think the Reds sweeping the Giants had some impact on O'Dowd not fulling going into sell mode.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Jul 31, 2011 1:53 PM MDT up reply actions
no way
we are not in it this year and he knows it
A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves
by waterboy31321 on Jul 31, 2011 1:54 PM MDT up reply actions
It better not have
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 31, 2011 1:58 PM MDT up reply actions
And it wouldn't have
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 31, 2011 1:58 PM MDT up reply actions
hahahah
MLBN had a shot of Peter Gammons in his office, and he had an Iphone and headphones lying on his desk.
FFFFFFFFFFF.
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 31, 2011 1:56 PM MDT reply actions
Yay no Ludwick today!
And he’s going to Pit! I’m happy.
Done: Ludwick to #Pirates for PTBNL. #Padres
@CentralCaliRox
Won't be shocked if Stewie and Iannetta stay, but...
man, if you can’t move Wiggy for some minor leaguer, what does that tell you about his current value?
that we still want him as a bench backup for next year?
Everyone may hate him as a starter, but he’s incredibly valuable for the role we originally signed him for.
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I said a while back WIggy might be best staying put.. To be that reserve player we signed him for.
The team liked Wiggy too much to give him up after 1/2 season.
I’m getting kinda sick of him, though.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Jul 31, 2011 2:03 PM MDT up reply actions
Yo baseball, you're welcome for making this trade deadline exciting
Signed, the Colorado Rockies.
As it stands right now I just see crap about Wandy not getting traded and the Pirates trading for crappy vets that may or may not do much.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
well, that's it.
time’s up.
Wigginton….still here……
GODDAMNIT.
FFFFFFFFFFF.
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 31, 2011 2:00 PM MDT reply actions
O'Dowd's CLEARLY has his priorities all wrong...
or maybe news of a trade still within the hour or sometime later.
Buf if no one's offering anything of value for him...
what’s the point of giving him away?
Because he's worth less than nothing to our team?
Blocking PT for others, not doing that well. I’d give him away at this point. Cantu can come up and take his spot….and might not do much worse.
He's not a bad player, just miscast
As a utility/becnh guy, he does his job. Shouldn’t be starting, but that’s more about Stewie than him
I think he's both miscast and a bad player...
when you take his defense and lack of clutch play into account.
Or Wiggy might have hit .198 in SD while...
Cantu hits .250 with moderate HR power here. Roles reversed, I’m not so sure.
Nothing about Cantu's last three seasons suggests results even close to this
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Notice I wrote...
“Cantu might not do MUCH worse”. Yes, he’d be likely worse, but Wiggy is a net zero to us anyway, all things considered.
Cantu has been below replacement for three seasons.
Yes, he’d be MUCH worse than Wiggy
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So at least he wouldn't play...
as much as Wiggy, then. Which gives Ian a chance to be in the lineup more. A positive at this point.
Wait. So we should get the much lesser player on the roster so he would play less?
You may want to rethink this “logic”.
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Don't you understand?
Wiggy is too tempting for Tracy to start. This hurts us because it costs Stew playing time. Having someone that Tracy isn’t as tempted to play over Ian is a positive in my book.
Get it?
Johnny Herrera completely understands your argument
from the 2 hole
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Even so, if the offers for him weren't better than "net zero"
you don’t take them. Wigginton’s not a sinkhole. It’s damning with feint praise, but it’s true.
Rox Girl, can you name one game...
this season that Wiggy won for us? I can’t
Can you name any games he lost for us? I can…..and more than one.
He’s been arguably less than a net zero for us, in terms of W/L.
RBI single to win in walk-off fashion over White Sox. Boom, roasted, shut up.
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by Franchise26 on Jul 31, 2011 2:21 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
A bloop and that makes Wiggy a net postive...
versus multiple games of bad defense costing us losses, and horrendous lack of clutch hits losing other games?’
And I’m the one who should shut up? LOL.
You said name one game. I did.
I’m as big a Ty Wigginton hater as anybody, but objectively, he isn’t the worst player in the world and isn’t the reason we’re 51-56.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
I remember having these arguments about other players, they never seem to go anywhere.
You’re not going to convince me, I’m not going to convince you.
Saturday, April 9, Wigginton hits a bases loaded two out triple off of Dave Veras with the Rockies and Pirates tied 3-3. The Rockies won 6-4.
April 26th against Chicago, Wigginton goes 3-4 including a solo HR in a game the Rockies win 4-3. Mostly Helton that day, but you can’t say Wigginton didn’t help make that win happen.
There are more, and you should know better to count only what a player does in wins. That’s not how baseball works. By that logic, we should have dumped Helton in 2005.
I love how you and others defend Wiggy...
when even Franchise26 roasted him recently.
He clearly has cost us more wins than he got us. Not even a net zero in my book.
You understand that me carpet-bombing a guy after a frustrating loss may not have been an objective analysis of his contributions, right?
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
But it was the most accurate thing you've ever written...
You stumbled onto some truth, a good feat.
So Ty Wigginton really is responsible for the debt ceiling controversy? Come on, man.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
That was humor....
but your accuracy in hating a Rockies player was never more apt. Seems like you don’t know how right you were.
It's not about defending Wigginton.
It’s about these assumptions that we could have gotten a positive return by trading him and that we’re about as well off with Cantu. I don’t mind you knocking the guy, just don’t do it with silly hyperbole.
It's not silly hyperbole..
The CONTRACT relief itself would have been worth it, even if we only get filler in return. Spend it better next offseason. Cantu can get occasional starts against lefties when Stew needs a blow. Of course I wouldn’t play him as much as Tracy has played Wiggy. Then again, I wouldn’t have played Wiggy as much either.
Is there really going to be a difference between 20 and 24 million this offseason?
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you know the San Diego Padres let Cantu go, right?
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Of course, but you still don't get it...
It’s not about Cantu’s value. It’s about having a BODY to replace Wiggy while we give Stewart almost all the remaining starts this season. Cantu wouldn’t even rack up 100 PAs with us.
So you'd rather waste a roster spot for a dead body?
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No, I would rather have STEWART play...
and last I checked, Stew isn’t yet dead. He isn’t Ferdinand Marcos. Cantu can be a stopgap filler for a righthanded bench bat and occasional starter. WE are going nowhere this year. Why have WIggy and his contract around? I don’t get your “logic”?
Cantu is essentially dead.
His career is over, he’s completely washed up, and doesn’t belong on a AAA roster as system filler, let alone on an MLB bench taking roster spots away from players that can actually hit a ball out of the outfield.
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Let's see...
He’s 29 versus Wiggy’s 33. He hit 42 doubles and 16 HRs two years ago at age 27. Yep, may as well bury the guy or send him to A ball.
Unbelievable.
That's being age-ist. Might as well bring Garrett Atkins back.
He’s younger than Wigginton too, guaranteed to be a better option.
Muzia is the one who declared the 29 year-old dead....
despite a really good year less than 2 years ago. He’s just as much of a bounceback candidate as your guy Lopez was. Well,, maybe not, but close. But surely not dead and buried.
He had a really good April in 2009
and has essentially been dead ever since. Seriously, prove otherwise.
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cantu has 1 year over 1.5 WAR
and that was 08
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yeah, I think Lopez taught me my lesson on that.
For now. I’m not about to buy into Cantu.
If you want to know where I’m really at, I hope Chris Nelson takes the 3B job, Ellis the 2B, and Wigginton the bench role. I hope Stewart goes back and mashes in AAA enough to drive up interest in a 26 yr. old that we can trade him before the non-tender deadline.
For 2012, I could see your point of Tracy liking Wigginton too much, but I hope we lose Tracy soon enough to make it a moot point. The salary probably doesn’t make a huge difference, O’Dowd would spend it on a similar player.
Nelson won't ever be a corner IF bat...
so I suggest we go outside the org if we conclude Stewart can’t recapture the job. But we could only find that out by PLAYING Stewart everyday through the conclusion of the year.
Yeah, that .788 OPS in 2009 really tied the room together.
SO much so that he’s been to three other teams since then.
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For 100 PAs against lefties only....
and on a team GOING NOWHERE, he’d be just fine for us….while Stew gets almost all the starts.
At least Cantu is housebroken
while Wigginton continues to piss all over this team.
You’re being very undude Muzia.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I really don't believe Stewart's much better an option than Wigginton at this point.
I’ve lost confidence (and you know I used to be one of his biggest supporters) that he’ll ever figure it out. Why are you so high on him?
Ugh...
We KNOW what the 33 year-old stiff can do, but you’d rather play him over the 26 year-old headcase? I don’t get that thinking one iota.
Again....
We are going NOWHERE this year. Let’s play Stewart the rest of the season to figure out if we non-tender him.
OK.....making semi-sense now...
but our bigger priority is to find out if Stew can be an answer as an EVERYDAY player for us. He might recapture his swing suddenly, with no warning. The lightbulb may come on. Only happens if you play him against everyone, daily. Spark his confidence.
There's no downside and ONLY upside..
the rest of the season isn’t about wins and losses. It’s about finding out who to keep, and who to jettison. Stewart has to be told he’s the starting 3B the rest of the way, health permitting.
I'd agree with this, especially since I think Wiggy is back next year
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I think Wiggy still could be traded...
in August.
i'm in favor of stewart for the defense
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They are not
But I really feel that we could spend the $4million we owe Wiggy next season better elsewhere.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 31, 2011 2:19 PM MDT up reply actions
DING DING DING...
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addition via subtraction
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So is Ian, Seth, CDI, RafBet, Street...
Hm. Perplexed CCR is perplexed.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 31, 2011 2:01 PM MDT up reply actions
The real shocker is Yankees standing pat
guess they’re depending on a waiver deal….
especially while boston snags bedard
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Bedard traded to Boston.
FFFFFFFFFFF.
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 31, 2011 2:06 PM MDT reply actions
Interesting....
Eric Bedard: 55-49 3.69
Ubaldo: 56-45 3.66
Bedard gets mid-range prospect catcher
Ubaldo cleans out Cleveland farm system
Of course, contracts come into play here, but this is another sign of how well we did.
Bedard has a severe injury history and racked up his stats before...
he got hurt. Ubaldo is healthy, by all accounts. That has more to do with the difference in return we got.
I think the differences are...
ubaldo’s contract and the perception that he’s an ace, whereas Bedard has never had that tag.
As for Ubaldo’s health, I’m not sure its so clearcut. Reduced velocity doesn’t happen by itself.
Plus, ERA in Baltimore and Seattle is not the same as Colorado
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 31, 2011 2:16 PM MDT up reply actions
Bedard has actually been better this year than Ubaldo, if you compare
But that’s not my point — Ubaldo is a better pitcher than Bedard, but the gulf between the two isn’t nearly as huge as the gulf between the talent each brought back
Bedard has pitched this year? News to me
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he threw almost the entire first half
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Been pretty good,actually
91 innings, 1.17 whip, 87 Ks, K/9 above his lifetime average
Nice pickup for Sox
lol
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--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I also am quite confused at the events.
I recognize you don’t accept just anything for guys, but no other trades?
This either means that the FO thinks they really are close to being competitive/contending in 2012 OR nobody thinks any of the Rockies other “assets” are actually assets.
Thought they could have got some value from Wiggington, Betancourt, CDI, Street, Smith.
Not surprised that they didn’t trade Stewart, EY, Nelson, etc. as they are low sell candidates and worth more to the Rockies than a contender at this time.
O'Dowd....
Gardner will me moved to the pen
mcBride a result of a scout thinking he’s better than advertised
That scout also advised O'D
that Trefoils are actually better than Thin Mints or Samoas…
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by Junction Rox on Jul 31, 2011 2:35 PM MDT up reply actions
Did we make anymore trades?
How do you get your kids to behave? Threaten not to take them to a Rockies game. They straighten up REAL QUICK.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
for what it's worth, DOD clearly did not trust Ubaldo going forward
That was the concern on Rockies part… No Rox pitcher pitched as many innings as Ubaldo had in Denver and gotten better
Dan O’Dowd just broke down Jiminez deal on @MLBNetworkRadio – clear he is fond of Ubald but said was pitching like 3 or 4 SP
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by black_knight101 on Jul 31, 2011 3:10 PM MDT reply actions
That should have been accompanied with this:
by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 31, 2011 3:13 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
haha
yeah, wiggy’s still here. hopefully someone snags him at the waiver line
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Does this mean I have to retire or something?
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we're going to trade you for prospects
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
trade ubaldo for the moon, sign hamels for the world: the secret to our success...someday
he has clearly reached his apex
let’s load up the system with prospects while we can…
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by Junction Rox on Jul 31, 2011 3:15 PM MDT up reply actions
can't argue with this...
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you could have
the first half of last year.
/point proved
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by Junction Rox on Jul 31, 2011 3:16 PM MDT up reply actions
:-(
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PR posters with as many comments as muzia have a history of developing arm issues
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trade ubaldo for the moon, sign hamels for the world: the secret to our success...someday
I type with both hands.
…pretty sure you were talking about typing…
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you pronate too much
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
now you tell me...
/looks at robotic arm
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by Junction Rox on Jul 31, 2011 3:24 PM MDT up reply actions
No. It just means I'm not following hockey again this year.
Out of spite.
/wasntgointoanyway
by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 31, 2011 3:15 PM MDT up reply actions
He man
In response to your comment in the game thread. Send me an email
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 31, 2011 3:15 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm good. I've got to head out in a few anyway.
I will next time though!
by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 31, 2011 3:17 PM MDT up reply actions
Sounds good
just didn’t want to leave you hanging there
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 31, 2011 3:18 PM MDT up reply actions
Has anyone else tried to listen to Matzek's start?
I can’t get any sound..
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Matzek has 3 K, 2 GO through 2 IP
no hits yet, only one BB allowed
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I've got 2BB
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 31, 2011 3:41 PM MDT up reply actions
Still a good outing so far though
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 31, 2011 3:41 PM MDT up reply actions
ah yes, I missed the second one.
Is the audio working for you?
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Nope
I’m just following to play by play on the tourist start while watching the Rockie game
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 31, 2011 3:45 PM MDT up reply actions
5 walks now...
I’m with Keith Law right now — I can’t see Matzek making it to the Majors until he cuts down on this wildness, regardless of how many runs he give sup
this is true.
At some point, there needs to be a massive step forward in this for him to have a chance. Right now, I just want to be back to where he was last season, which it looks like he might be.
also, Friedrich got moved to the TIL and didn't start
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by black_knight101 on Jul 31, 2011 7:08 PM MDT up reply actions
Well today's been a bit of a letdown in the minors
At least Bettis had a strong start: 7 IP, 5 H, 2 ER, 7 K
friedrich is having serious issues away this season
his ERA is 3 runs higher over 25 more innings…. taking lessons from nicasio i suppose
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lets just use our 2012 money for something good and not another wigginton
I am heartbroken.
That is all.
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by DAWNMARIE01 on Jul 31, 2011 3:24 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
I am heartbroken.
That is all.
Walk-off wins never get old no matter how many times they happen' - Jeff Francis
In mourning for Jorge's ulnar collateral ligament and Charlies left foot.
Still a member of the Jonathan 'Scrappy Doo' Herrera Fan Club - Puppy Power will prevail in the end.
Strikeouts are boring - besides that, they're fascist. Throw some more groundballs. Its more democratic. - Crash Davis
by DAWNMARIE01 on Jul 31, 2011 3:24 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
so heartbroken, she posted it twice
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
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Better chance of becoming our everyday 2B downt the road
Field or Rutledge?
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by Cargo's Ball Sack5 on Jul 31, 2011 9:51 PM MDT reply actions
How far down the road?
I think Field might take the job for a season or two, but Rutledge will become the more long term guy.
You know, I just thought of something.
How do you think DLR feels about all this? Those two were like BFFs.
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