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Rockies 3, Braves 6: Team Leaves Atlanta with Broken Spirits, Bones

The Rockies were better off performing interpretive dance than playing baseball today.

Le sigh.

As if the first three games of the series weren't ugly enough, the Braves chose to pound down on the Rockies one more time before they got a chance to escape North to Washington DC. After minor but debilitating injuries to Carlos Gonzalez and Troy Tulowitzki over the past few days, rookie outfielder Charlie Blackmon fractured his foot while rounding second base in the third inning. This will sideline him for at least a month, and likely more if you consider rehab assignments and potential setbacks with healing. This is the second straight season where the Rockies have dealt with several significant injuries in a row. Cole Garner had been traveling with the team after his optional assignment in case the health of Gonzalez or Tulowitzki turned for the worse, but was sent back to AAA this morning. Looks like he may be getting right back on the plane.

As for the game, it won't be pleasant to summarize. The Rockies got an early run as first baseman Jason Giambi knocked in shortstop Jonathan Herrera, who had walked earlier in the top of the first. The Rockies managed another run in the third inning, as Ty Wigginton (pinch running for the injured Blackmon) scored, also off the bat of Giambi. Unfortunately, Atlanta starter Tim Hudson was mostly effective through the rest of the game, giving up five total hits and three walks over seven and a third innings pitched. He struck out three. A third earned run was charged to Hudson in the eighth when second baseman Mark Ellis scored from third base on a wild pitch.

The Braves overtook the Rockies in the bottom of the third, as Rockies starter Juan Nicasio had a meltdown that would send him out of the game after only throwing two and a third innings. The inning began with six straight hits, including a three run home run from Atlanta first baseman Freddie Freeman. Nicasio would only net one out in the inning (officially, as it appeared that he had successfully executed a pickoff at second base on center fielder Jordan Schafer) before being replaced by Eric Stults. Five runs would score in the inning, all charged to Nicasio, with Atlanta putting up a sixth in the fifth inning when right fielder Jason Heyward hit a solo home run off of Stults. Stults threw three and a third innings before yielding to Matt Reynolds, who threw one and a third.

The Rockies threatened in the eighth, with the bases loaded and one out, but were only able to score the one aforementioned wild pitch run. After pinch hitter Todd Helton walked to load the bases again, this time with two outs, Wigginton struck out on a check swing against Jonny Venters, who bailed out Hudson and Eric O'Flaherty from being charged with further damage.

Rafael Betancourt allowed one hit and struck out two Braves in the eighth inning. The Rockies went quietly in the ninth against Atlanta closer Craig Kimbrel in the ninth, who got his third save of the series. Nicasio gets the second loss of his season/career.

I don't usually add a Comment of the Day, but I found this one particularly apt.

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Moving on.


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Yeah. My Transactions Notes article for the week will be posted at 4:00. The Rockies move on to Washington for a game tomorrow at 5:05 PM Mountain Time, with Jason Hammel taking on former Rockie Jason Marquis John Lannan. Battle of the Jasons!

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Crudmonkeys!

On the plus side, I got to listen to a ballgame for a good part of my work day.

"Your classless organization in your unholy city accused our Team of an unspeakable act. It was baseless, the Giants are classless, and I have no sympathy for your eternal damnation." - poster Every6thDay at MCC who has been uncredited for too long!

by RdRnnr on Jul 7, 2011 2:43 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

well done.

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by hotdoglady on Jul 7, 2011 2:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

LOL. All sick people everywhere...

are glad I’m not a doctor-especially today!

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by RdRnnr on Jul 7, 2011 2:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

At least the Cleveland Spiders 20-134 worst record of all time is safe

Although we still need to win three more games to pass the Tigers measure of fail in the modern era. I think its likely, but after the past five days I am taking nothing for granted.

by CarRo2010 on Jul 7, 2011 2:46 PM MDT reply actions  

If we don't get 3 more wins this season...

it will be a lot more of “Welp that was the opposite of fun”

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by RdRnnr on Jul 7, 2011 2:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

i wouldn't even be upset if that happened

that would be such epic fail that it would frankly be an amazing achievement

the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox

maybe firing tracy isn't the answer, but something's just not clicking out there

by papality on Jul 7, 2011 5:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

I agree with this

proud? No, but at least the team would fulfill the basic function of sports – entertainment.

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by Resolution on Jul 7, 2011 7:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

On the plus side

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by SDcat09 on Jul 7, 2011 2:48 PM MDT reply actions  

well done

"Your classless organization in your unholy city accused our Team of an unspeakable act. It was baseless, the Giants are classless, and I have no sympathy for your eternal damnation." - poster Every6thDay at MCC who has been uncredited for too long!

by RdRnnr on Jul 7, 2011 2:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

Not really I forgot something

On the plus side

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by SDcat09 on Jul 7, 2011 2:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

OT: Dick Williams died of a brain aneuryism

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by SDcat09 on Jul 7, 2011 2:50 PM MDT reply actions  

That's a shame

One of my earliest baseball memories was him managing those dominant Oakland A’s teams.

by Northsider1964 on Jul 7, 2011 2:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

Me too

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by SDcat09 on Jul 7, 2011 2:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

RIP

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by RdRnnr on Jul 7, 2011 2:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well, there goes one name off the "better than Jim Tracy and available" list

RIP, you were one of the good ones.

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by Mondogarage on Jul 7, 2011 2:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

So. Pissed. Off.

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 7, 2011 2:50 PM MDT via mobile reply actions  

Better to be pissed off than

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by SDcat09 on Jul 7, 2011 2:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

X(

Oh I’ve been thoroughly both of those this season

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 7, 2011 2:53 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

I don't think we need to know what goes on late at night at LDMM's

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by Mondogarage on Jul 7, 2011 2:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

This needs to be tagged with Maria's "Pro Tip" headline...

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by RdRnnr on Jul 7, 2011 3:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

Radfio just reported that John Lannan is starting tomorrow's game

So not battle of the Jasons.

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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 7, 2011 2:50 PM MDT reply actions  

Well that's no fun

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by SDcat09 on Jul 7, 2011 2:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

I read that as John Lennon

I couldn’t imagine that was right…

We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!

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by Junction Rox on Jul 7, 2011 2:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

Imagine

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by SDcat09 on Jul 7, 2011 2:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

Fine, I'm Starting Over....

We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!

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by Junction Rox on Jul 7, 2011 2:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

We'll start the corpse of John Lennon

So it can’t be the battle of the LaLennanons

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by Mondogarage on Jul 7, 2011 2:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

/obviousjoke

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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Jul 7, 2011 4:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

Kinda sucks right now....and blows

it sucks and blows at the same time

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by Jeffrey Morton on Jul 7, 2011 2:51 PM MDT reply actions  

Maybe it would be better to blow and suck

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by SDcat09 on Jul 7, 2011 2:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

Pro Tip: Don't catch a show in

Tijuana.

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by hotdoglady on Jul 7, 2011 2:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

Remember kids...

It pays to listen to the voice of experience!

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by RdRnnr on Jul 7, 2011 2:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

indeed.

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by hotdoglady on Jul 7, 2011 3:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

its MegaMaid!

She’s gone from “suck” to “blow”!

by Teekalong on Jul 7, 2011 3:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

I've always wanted to be part of a game wrap...

as the guy who hit the game-winning HR.

I may have been a Comment of the Day once.

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by RdRnnr on Jul 7, 2011 2:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

For guys whose tires are bald and tank is empty

The bullpen actually did quite well today.

They went 5.2 innings, 4 hits, 1 R, 1 Walk, 5 Ks.

Nobody in MLB can be looking more forward to 3 days off than this crew.

by Northsider1964 on Jul 7, 2011 2:57 PM MDT reply actions  

Yep.

Stults alone was a bullpen savior.

by holly96 on Jul 7, 2011 2:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm renewing my call

For Stults to get a start. It’s not likely to lead to anything, but let’s see how he does with the score 0-0.

Still 11-12 months away from JDLR’s return, so give him a look. Nothing to lose at this point.

by Northsider1964 on Jul 7, 2011 3:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

I kind of think you might need to stretch him out a bit more first.

Otherwise you’re not really going to get a true picture of what he can do.

by holly96 on Jul 7, 2011 3:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

That would be fine, but it would have to come after a stretch where our starters can go at least 5-6

Because he’s only going to go maybe 4.something, tops, his first time out, so we’re going to need the same innings from the bullpen that he’s been giving us.

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by Mondogarage on Jul 7, 2011 3:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yes but if I thought we were going to get that kind of length

From the existing starters, I wouldn’t want to audition Stults in the first place.

A planned 4-inning start won’t burn up the pen any worse than an unplanned 4-inning start. Give it a shot right after the break when the pen is less frazzled, and see what he have. Probably nothing much, but worth a look.

by Northsider1964 on Jul 7, 2011 3:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

No, but a planned 4 inning start after one or two unplanned 4 innings starts, together, will.

As for reording our rotation after the break, maybe the smart idea is to line up our best pitchers first, so that we’re facing other teams’ aces.

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by Mondogarage on Jul 7, 2011 3:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah I would probably go Ubaldo and Chacin first

Then try something different in the Saturday (July 16) game, assuming those two guys get wayyyyyyy deep into the game – like 6 complete!

by Northsider1964 on Jul 7, 2011 3:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

It would be one thing for JT to just announce rotation for first two games

However, other guys have to schedule throwing in between starts….but it could still work out. I sorta like this idea.

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by Mondogarage on Jul 7, 2011 3:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

Any lefty who throws strikes

Is worth an audition, when he’s already on the roster anyway.

For example if Morty was a lefty, I’ll bet he would still be starting.

I’m not delusional enough to think it will pan out, but the downside risk isn’t much.

by Northsider1964 on Jul 7, 2011 3:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

On the plus side

I’m leaving town and not taking my computer with me.

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by Mondogarage on Jul 7, 2011 2:59 PM MDT reply actions  

On the plus side

tell Jen I say hello!

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by hotdoglady on Jul 7, 2011 3:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

Will do! Will see her in about seven hours.

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by Mondogarage on Jul 7, 2011 3:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah!

My lady is also out of town – get to see her tomorrow night for the first time in a week!

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by hotdoglady on Jul 7, 2011 3:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm trying not to think of the down side which is

that she won’t be back here until 3+ weeks after I am

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by Mondogarage on Jul 7, 2011 3:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

Boo.

IS she enjoying herself?

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by hotdoglady on Jul 7, 2011 3:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

She most definitely is.

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by Mondogarage on Jul 7, 2011 3:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

So, I'm going to ATT Park to see Giants-Mets on Saturday

Never been to that park before and I’m looking forward to it. Got tix in the arcade on the right field wall.

I’ll quietly root against the home team.

by evers44 on Jul 7, 2011 3:01 PM MDT reply actions  

Awesome park

Too bad its full of Giants fans

by CarRo2010 on Jul 7, 2011 5:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

10 LOB. Sweet.

At the Michigan football blog I go to, when things get depressing, they post a picture of ‘Henri, the otter of ennui’. I kinda feel like Henri right about now myself.

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by Franchise26 on Jul 7, 2011 3:01 PM MDT reply actions  

Whatever happened to

Tate Forcier’s “X Factor”, which was allegedly “off the charts?” We could use some of that.

by Teekalong on Jul 7, 2011 3:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

To go back to a discussion from the game thread....

From Renck:

Tulo tells the Post he will not play in all star game if he doesn’t play this weekend. Rockies are his main focus

This is pretty much what I assumed would be the case.

by holly96 on Jul 7, 2011 3:03 PM MDT reply actions  

That's our Tulo. :)

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by SDcat09 on Jul 7, 2011 3:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

Or he won't.

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by SDcat09 on Jul 7, 2011 3:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

He will.

And he’ll be starting the ASG. I have no doubt. He’s not going to miss this chance.

by Teekalong on Jul 7, 2011 3:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well I hope he doesn't put his season at risk just to play in the ASG

That’s what I’m getting at.

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by SDcat09 on Jul 7, 2011 3:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

And I'm getting at...

its a huge deal and he’s not going to miss it.

by Teekalong on Jul 7, 2011 3:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

I understand.

However, I think if he is at risk to further aggravate his injury, I hope he doesn’t. He’ll be in about 10 more ASG

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by SDcat09 on Jul 7, 2011 3:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

whats this season have going for it at the moment?

I woudl take the ASG start

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by waterboy31321 on Jul 7, 2011 3:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

Bah. I think you all are misunderstanding me.

I’m not saying Tulo shouldn’t play in the ASG. I’m saying if he has even a twinge of a problem in that pesky quad, to forgo the ASG because he’ll certainly have many more opportunities.

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by SDcat09 on Jul 7, 2011 3:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm not misunderstanding

just disagreeing. I think someone’s going to have to shank him in the yard to keep him out of the ASG.

by Teekalong on Jul 7, 2011 3:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

that's both NL shortstops not playing at all

that’s not going to happen; tulo would take the start in the ASG if only so he could give the rockies the chance to have home field advantage in the world series

the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox

maybe firing tracy isn't the answer, but something's just not clicking out there

by papality on Jul 7, 2011 5:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

I mean, it’s the only meaningful game he’s going to have a chance to play in the rest of the season. I’d play in it, too.

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by Franchise26 on Jul 7, 2011 3:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't want him playing in the ASG at this point.

get the rest.

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 7, 2011 3:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

He'll probably only play 4-5 innings, anyway.

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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Jul 7, 2011 4:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm so sad about this rockies loss today

that I just bought a bunch of fried chicken and am only eating the skins.

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by hotdoglady on Jul 7, 2011 3:07 PM MDT reply actions  

You've just made the day of every cardiologist in

Fort Collins WYOMING

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by Mondogarage on Jul 7, 2011 3:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

Turkey skin is still better btw

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 7, 2011 3:13 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

oh man turkey skin is so good.

I love me some turkey.

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by hotdoglady on Jul 7, 2011 3:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

If it's Chester's fried chicken

I’ll have serious skin envy.

Get your purple on.

by rockhead on Jul 7, 2011 3:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

I just realized

it is chesters. but made @ King soopers.

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by hotdoglady on Jul 7, 2011 3:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

ooooohhhh

I buy mine at Kings as well. I’m a southern boy, and Chester’s is the best commercial fried chicken I’ve eaten since I migrated west.

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by rockhead on Jul 7, 2011 3:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

Used to LOVE Church's growing up

Strikes me (rockhead may or may not agree) to have gone downhill somewhat. Or maybe, Popeye’s has just gotten better.

Both still pwn KFC, though.

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by Mondogarage on Jul 7, 2011 3:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

Haven't been to a Church's in ages

There’s not one anywhere nearby. Popeye’s isn’t bad. I wouldn’t feed KFC to a jackal. Stuff is disgusting.

Get your purple on.

by rockhead on Jul 7, 2011 3:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

KFC gravy

makes up for so many other sins.

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by hotdoglady on Jul 7, 2011 3:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

ew

Get your purple on.

by rockhead on Jul 7, 2011 3:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

Oh, are we talking fried chicken? Because BOOM ZAXBY’S ARGUMENT OVER

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by Franchise26 on Jul 7, 2011 3:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

wrong

Zaxby’s only serves chicken fingers.

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by hotdoglady on Jul 7, 2011 3:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ah, semantics. I’ll take Popeye’s too, then.

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by Franchise26 on Jul 7, 2011 3:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'mma gonna have Bojangles this weekend.

And Bojangles might just pwn all.

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by Mondogarage on Jul 7, 2011 3:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

Oh man....

You’re breakin’ my heart here. Ate there when I was back in NC in May. And yes, Bojangles pwns.

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by rockhead on Jul 7, 2011 3:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

Not a fan of sweet tea, though.

Fortunately, there’s a Bojangles about five miles from where I’m staying…hope it’s open uber late, but probably not, so I’mma have to wait for lunch tomorrow.

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by Mondogarage on Jul 7, 2011 3:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

Funny

I’m one of the few southerners I know that can’t abide sweet tea. A slice of lemon is the only extra iced tea requires.

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by rockhead on Jul 7, 2011 3:34 PM MDT up reply actions   2 recs

Rec'd so hard

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by Mondogarage on Jul 7, 2011 3:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

When my sister moved to Houston, she was totally baffled by sweet tea.

Didn’t have any idea how common it was. And since she wasn’t going to drink it, it was actually a struggle to get water at a couple work meetings she went to.

by holly96 on Jul 7, 2011 3:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

I like not quite sweet tea.

Just a taste of sweet

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by SDcat09 on Jul 7, 2011 3:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

Right, I like sweetENED tea

using just a little bit of artificial sweetner. I do not like that glorified syrup they call sweet tea….

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by Junction Rox on Jul 7, 2011 3:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

It's much more popular in the deep SE, not as much so in most of Texas

Though yeah…in east Texas…

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by Mondogarage on Jul 7, 2011 3:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

amen

I can’t stand sweet tea.

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by hotdoglady on Jul 7, 2011 3:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

I am not sure I can be friends with any of you, now. Sweet tea is the nectar of the gods. Particularly the sweet tea at McAlister’s.

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by Franchise26 on Jul 7, 2011 3:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

/smh

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by hotdoglady on Jul 7, 2011 3:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

In the parlance of this blog, ‘Look how wrong you are.’

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by Franchise26 on Jul 7, 2011 3:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

you spelled "right" wrong.

But seriously – go and enjoy your syrup.

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by hotdoglady on Jul 7, 2011 3:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

On the plus side

I’m all about celebrating the diversity of tea and tea drinkers in this world. If you like it, have at. It’s just not for me.

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by rockhead on Jul 7, 2011 3:43 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

well done rockhead.

well done.

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by hotdoglady on Jul 7, 2011 3:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

youre not alone

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by black_knight101 on Jul 7, 2011 7:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

I used to worship at Church's

sad when they closed here

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by SDcat09 on Jul 7, 2011 3:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

It's a good second

But the seasonings in Chester’s batter really take me back.

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by rockhead on Jul 7, 2011 3:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

Soopers has good fried chicken

Though it’s sad that grocery store chicken is among the best around. Doesn’t speak well for the diners in these parts.

by Northsider1964 on Jul 7, 2011 3:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

This is a fact

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by SDcat09 on Jul 7, 2011 3:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

I've heard White Fence Farm is good

But I never go to that part of town.

Otherwise, I’ve found very little in the way of good fried chicken at local haunts. My favorite greasy spoon (20th Street Cafe) doesn’t have it, and the soul food places in Five Points are overrated in my opinion.

by Northsider1964 on Jul 7, 2011 3:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

Wait.

Is White Fence Farm that family style restaurant with a petting zoo? I totally remember going there as a kid!

by holly96 on Jul 7, 2011 3:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think so

Haven’t actually been there, just hear the fried chicken is tasty.

The petting zoo I can do without, I just care if the food is good.

by Northsider1964 on Jul 7, 2011 4:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well, yeah.

But for families, it’s fun. I don’t remember anything about the food—I mostly just have memories of the grounds and what the interior looked like. I’ve only been once, and it was decades ago.

by holly96 on Jul 7, 2011 4:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

They've added a slide since you've been...

Inside the big barn…and it’s sized so adults can go down as well as kids!

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by RdRnnr on Jul 7, 2011 4:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

New Belgium has a slide

you get to go down it on the tour.

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by hotdoglady on Jul 7, 2011 4:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

GrownUp slide roadtrip!

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by RdRnnr on Jul 7, 2011 4:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

heck yes!

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by hotdoglady on Jul 7, 2011 4:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

slide + beer = win

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by DAWNMARIE01 on Jul 7, 2011 4:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

beer = win.

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by hotdoglady on Jul 7, 2011 4:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

Did I see in Grant's power rankings this week...

that Bernie Brewer no longer slides into a vat of beer? Sacrilege!

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by RdRnnr on Jul 7, 2011 4:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm all for restaurants appealing to kids and families

As long as they also feature a take-out counter. :)

by Northsider1964 on Jul 7, 2011 4:15 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

rec'd

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by hotdoglady on Jul 7, 2011 4:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

The Farm does offer takeout...

with a separate entrance.

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by RdRnnr on Jul 7, 2011 4:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

Are you serious?

If so, I may have to organize an outing next time I’m home.

by holly96 on Jul 7, 2011 4:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think you'd like it...

remember that they are closed for most of January. The family that owns it takes a vacation that month!

http://whitefencefarm-co.com/

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by RdRnnr on Jul 7, 2011 4:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

stupid music playing

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by hotdoglady on Jul 7, 2011 4:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

I should have included a warning on that.

Sorry!

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by RdRnnr on Jul 7, 2011 4:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

it's ok

just a huge pet peeve of mine.

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by hotdoglady on Jul 7, 2011 4:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

Not just you

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by RdRnnr on Jul 7, 2011 5:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

Love White Fence Farm

Worth a trip if you’re craving fried chicken.

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by RdRnnr on Jul 7, 2011 4:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

sadly true

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by WalkInRight on Jul 7, 2011 3:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Popeye's baby!

With some red beans & rice on the side.

by evers44 on Jul 7, 2011 3:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

Popeye's is a second close after Church's

Man I’m hungry now

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by SDcat09 on Jul 7, 2011 3:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

As my second-favorite team just swept my first-favorite,

I guess I should be happy, somewhat, but I’m not. Not happening this way.

They don’t play the game on paper, and in baseball more than any other sport, unexpected and fluky things happen every day.

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by jasonwrites on Jul 7, 2011 3:12 PM MDT reply actions  

Yep

I did not (and do not) expect to win any road games where Tulo and CarGo don’t play. Hell, I think we’d be lucky to win just without one of them. But both gone…bet the home team. Heavy.

by Teekalong on Jul 7, 2011 3:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

RUNNING AWAY EH? YOU BLUE & RED B****RDS!

AH, C’MON! IT’S ONLY A FLESH WOUND!!!

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by WalkInRight on Jul 7, 2011 3:35 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

This ship be sinkin'

Wait, what's his real name? We should make a joke out of that.

by BrandonHawpe on Jul 7, 2011 3:40 PM MDT reply actions  

Well, it's certainly listing

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by SDcat09 on Jul 7, 2011 3:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm at bargaining.

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by SDcat09 on Jul 7, 2011 3:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

Is that like:

Just let them win the wild card. OR I know they won’t make the playoffs, but at least let them keep the GIants out.

by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 7, 2011 3:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

Something like that

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by SDcat09 on Jul 7, 2011 3:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

sorry, still stuck at denial personally.

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by azdenfan on Jul 7, 2011 4:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

So you'd accept Snakes instead of Gints?

Just want to be sure there is consensus on who PR wants if the Rox can’t take the West. Though all five equate to that proverbial snowball in hell in an NLDS versus the Braves or Phillies.

by jasonwrites on Jul 7, 2011 4:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

at least if arizona makes it they'll have earned it

it’s not at all implausible for the giants to get outscored in the second half too, especially with sanchez down

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by papality on Jul 7, 2011 5:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

By the numbers:

Road to 85 wins: Win 44 of 74 or 3 out of every 5 games.

Road to 92 wins: Win 51 of 74 or 2 out of every 3 games.

by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 7, 2011 3:51 PM MDT reply actions  

Totally doable

….gulp….no but really it is. Don’t know exactly why we would all of the sudden start winning, but it definately is possible and not insane for it to happen

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by waterboy31321 on Jul 7, 2011 3:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

It's been done before.

The 1989 Toronto Blue Jays were 42-46 and won the AL East with an 89-73 record.

The 1973 New York Mets were 38-50 and won the NL East at 82-79.

by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 7, 2011 4:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

At least we are 1 game up on the Fathers

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by waterboy31321 on Jul 7, 2011 3:53 PM MDT reply actions  

You mean the Padre?

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by SDcat09 on Jul 7, 2011 3:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

Victorino won the largest media market popularity contest

big surprise there

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by waterboy31321 on Jul 7, 2011 4:00 PM MDT reply actions  

I'm shocked. Shocked.

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by SDcat09 on Jul 7, 2011 4:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

he will never be half the player Todd was

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by waterboy31321 on Jul 7, 2011 4:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

victorino's a pretty good player

now if we were talking about ryan ‘K looking to end the 2010 NLCS’ howard…

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by papality on Jul 7, 2011 5:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

They don't even release

everybody’s total votes….sketchy

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by waterboy31321 on Jul 7, 2011 4:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

Nah

Victorino and Ethier at least have SOME talent, unlike certain other final 2 pairings…

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by Junction Rox on Jul 7, 2011 4:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

The "certain other pairings"

I was thinking of referred back to the American Idol comment.

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by Junction Rox on Jul 7, 2011 9:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

Did he end up on the DL?

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by Junction Rox on Jul 7, 2011 4:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

ninja'd

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by hotdoglady on Jul 7, 2011 4:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

I used ninja breathing

to slow my heart rate

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by waterboy31321 on Jul 7, 2011 4:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

didn't he get hurt?

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by hotdoglady on Jul 7, 2011 4:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

ya he is hurt…but they aren’t sure if he will be DL’d or not yet….to my knowledge

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by waterboy31321 on Jul 7, 2011 4:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

Pretty sure.

With that and Reyes on the DL, they’ll need a couple more replacements. I think Helton still has an outside shot of making it there. Though being a 1B might hurt him.

by holly96 on Jul 7, 2011 4:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

That and the fact that

Bochy is a certified grade A – Asshole

It's Jim Tracy's Fault.

by wolf213 on Jul 7, 2011 4:04 PM MDT up reply actions   2 recs

he will probably select

Buster Posey and Cody Ross and Fredy Sanchez and Nate Scheierholtz as his replacements.

Or he will take McCutch just to satisfy Hurdle…I am forgetting who else criticized him

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by waterboy31321 on Jul 7, 2011 4:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think Bochy is a good baseball man

Who answers to a certified Grade A asshole GM, who suddenly thinks he invented baseball.

by Northsider1964 on Jul 7, 2011 4:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

they should logically take the 2 runner ups for the last vote

fair

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by waterboy31321 on Jul 7, 2011 4:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

That seems right to me

if the idea of the last 5 vote is “One of these guys deserves to be there”, then use one of those guys to replace Victorino. Don’t leave it to a guy who is just as likely to hand the spot to Mike Fontenot or Santiago Casilla….

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by Junction Rox on Jul 7, 2011 4:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

seems like it should just be whomever

is next in vote getting

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by SDcat09 on Jul 7, 2011 4:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I agree.

Maybe it would be, at least if Victorino can’t play. But other guys, you probably have to go by position (i.e., with Reyes out, you need another middle infielder).

by holly96 on Jul 7, 2011 4:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

The "final 5" guy is kind of a unique situation

because by definition it can be any position. Otherwise, you’re right, and most of the time the replacement for an injured guy will play his position…

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by Junction Rox on Jul 7, 2011 4:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

If Bochy wants to win the game

I would want Todd as a defensive replacement in the 9th or later.

by jasonwrites on Jul 7, 2011 4:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

by rule, Ethier replaces Victorino

Bochy has no power there. He also does not have the power to choose who replaces Tulowitzki if he doesn’t play, as Tulo was a players choice, so the next highest vote getter (Drew) would go.

Bochy DOES get to pick who replaces Reyes though.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 7, 2011 6:40 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Well I'm a little unsarcastically surprised

that Ethier didn’t get it

Wait, what's his real name? We should make a joke out of that.

by BrandonHawpe on Jul 7, 2011 4:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

nobody in LA

is paying attention to the Dodgers anymore.

by Teekalong on Jul 7, 2011 4:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

that's for sure

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by SDcat09 on Jul 7, 2011 4:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well....

Boy….

Get em tomorrow.

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by Hollidayrain on Jul 7, 2011 4:05 PM MDT reply actions  

At some point soon, we will see a lineup of....

Wiggy, Splly and Garner in the OF, Stewart, Herrera, Ellis and Helton in the IF and Pagnozzi behind the plate.

The expansion Rockies opening day lineup was better than that:

Girardi
Galarraga
Young
Hayes
Benavides
Clark
Cole
Bichette

Strange, strange season this is.

by evers44 on Jul 7, 2011 4:39 PM MDT reply actions  

Freddie Benavides

would be like the 4th best player on this team. Or, not…but still you had to think about it, and that’s sad.

by Teekalong on Jul 7, 2011 4:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

I just puked.

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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Jul 7, 2011 5:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

Gotta hand it to Gebhard, though

That’s a really solid expansion lineup.

The pitching staff, OTOH…..

by evers44 on Jul 7, 2011 5:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

considering cargo.is coming back tommorow

I have a hard time seeing that OF actually happening

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Trivia Time!

Can you name the Rockies opening day starting left fielder in 2004 (against AZ)?

If you know this without looking it up you are a world-class Rockies fan.

by evers44 on Jul 7, 2011 4:43 PM MDT reply actions  

Pellow

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by hotdoglady on Jul 7, 2011 4:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

Oh man.

Did Kit Pellow have epic facial hair, or am I thinking of someone else?

by holly96 on Jul 7, 2011 4:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

Bryan wrote a feature on Pellow at one point

That may have helped

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 7, 2011 6:43 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Rockies 2004 Opening Day lineup

by position, not batting order:

       Johnson ©
  Helton (1b)
       Gonzalez (2b)
  Castilla (3B)
  Clayton (ss)
        Pellow (LF)
        Wilson (CF)
        Burnitz (RF)
  Estes (p)

by evers44 on Jul 7, 2011 4:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

By 2004

Charles Johnson was already well past the point at which he was willing to run hard, slide, or even think about blocking the plate. Talented guy, but with all the heart of a Tin Man.

by Northsider1964 on Jul 7, 2011 4:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

If you're stumped....

go to http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/COL/opening.shtml

Where you’ll also learn:

  • The Rockies had 6 different opening day 3B between 2001-2006 (Cirillo, Zeile, Baker, Castilla, Stynes, Atkins)
  • they had 7 different starters at 2B from 2006-2011 (and will have another next year)
  • They’ve had 14 different starting 2B

by evers44 on Jul 7, 2011 4:49 PM MDT reply actions  

Chris Stynes

Had some good years w/the Reds. Didn’t have any with the Rockies.

by evers44 on Jul 7, 2011 4:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

I thought he'd be a good fit here...

but he wasn’t. Hardnosed player, but he swung at everything.

by alex colfax on Jul 7, 2011 5:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

"but he swung at everything."

That would make him a good fit now.

by evers44 on Jul 7, 2011 5:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

'hardnosed player who swung at everything'

we could probably say that about more people than not who have donned the purple pinstripes

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by papality on Jul 7, 2011 5:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

Really weird open batting stance

reminded me a lot of softball where the girls run up to hit the ball.

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by jrockies on Jul 7, 2011 8:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

And here is the Rockies all-time lineup based on.....

….most games played at the position by one player:

Girardi C
Helton 1B
Young 2B
Castilla 3B
Tulowitzki SS
Holliday LF
Fowler CF
Walker RF

Not that’s a lineup I’d like to have seen on the field together…..

by evers44 on Jul 7, 2011 4:59 PM MDT reply actions  

Yep, he has 311 games in CF

Burks had 303
Pierre had 353 games w/ the Rox, but some of his starts were in LF

by evers44 on Jul 7, 2011 5:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

What this all means....

Except for Cargo and Tulo, O’Dowd has taken this team on the field exactly…..nowhere.

by GoRoxGo on Jul 7, 2011 5:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yep, I read that wrong.

Iannetta is #1 (386 games)
Number 2, however, is Jeff Reed w/ 324
Torrealba had 306

by evers44 on Jul 7, 2011 8:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

And finally.....

here is the Rockie’s all time pitching staff based on appearances (in a particular role)

Starters:
Cook
Wright
Jennings
Jimenez (we forget – he’s already appeared in 133 games!)
Ritz

Closer:

Fuentes

Non-closer relievers:

Reed
Leskanic
Munoz (this one surprised me but, yeah, Mike Munoz appeared in 300 games as a Rockie!)

by evers44 on Jul 7, 2011 5:07 PM MDT reply actions  

needs more Bohannon.

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 7, 2011 5:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

*Bohanon

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 7, 2011 5:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

not upset at all to have not watched this game, or even that i didnt know the start time

i wish there were better rotation options, because i think nicasio’s cameo needs to end soon or he might turn into greg reynolds… maybe we swap him and friedrich? i dunno.

to sum: we’re doomed.

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by papality on Jul 7, 2011 5:44 PM MDT reply actions  

So you're saying CDI will save us?

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by SDcat09 on Jul 7, 2011 5:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

frankly i wouldn't at all be surprised if he had the best second half of anyone on the team

so sure, why not?

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by papality on Jul 7, 2011 5:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

Cool.

( I was just going for the cheap CDI = Doom joke)

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by SDcat09 on Jul 7, 2011 5:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

yeah i got it, just went the serious route

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by papality on Jul 7, 2011 6:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

Who are you, Greg?

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by SDcat09 on Jul 7, 2011 6:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

flash flood sirens in my neighboorhood.

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 7, 2011 5:54 PM MDT reply actions  

whoa....aren't you downtown?

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by SDcat09 on Jul 7, 2011 5:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

no.

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 7, 2011 6:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

OT: Holy crap. Scary situation going down in Grand Rapids, MI.

Some guy killed 7 people at two different locations in city, then a police chase (apparently wrong way on highways, etc.), now a possible hostage situation at some apartment complex, reported shots fired.

by holly96 on Jul 7, 2011 5:56 PM MDT reply actions  

Yikes that's awful

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by SDcat09 on Jul 7, 2011 6:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm watching a live feed of their local news, and some guy called

who was driving with his cousin earlier today (before the police chase) and the suspect cut them off and shot at them, hitting his cousin (who is okay). And some other woman was injured by a bullet at another intersection. The guy was just shooting randomly. And the guy has a lengthy police record.

by holly96 on Jul 7, 2011 6:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

So tired of Wigginton...

Has he had a clutch hit all year? His average with RISP and two outs must be below .180 at this point.

Obviously he’s not the only thing wrong with the team, but I’d like to have a third basemen/utility/whatever that can actually hit when someone’s on base.

by DesertTurtle on Jul 7, 2011 6:12 PM MDT reply actions  

his splits are up in like the rockpile or game wrap from yesterday

he is so unbelievably bad in those situations. it’s not even 2out/RISP, it’s with anyone on at all, and just gets worse the more leverage you add

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by papality on Jul 7, 2011 6:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

OT: John Mackey is dead.

NFL HOFer who was a leader in trying to get better health benefits for former NFL players. He suffered from dementia for years.

by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 7, 2011 6:13 PM MDT reply actions  

per MLBTR:

Whomever Joe Mather is, the Rockies just signed him

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 7, 2011 6:49 PM MDT via mobile reply actions  

/fail

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 7, 2011 7:02 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Sounds German for "Joe Mama"

That aside, he’s an almost 29 year old utility guy (has played all 3 OF spots, 1B and 3B). 3rd round draft pick by the Cards in 2001, put up some pretty good minor league numbers in their system. Finally got called up by SL in 2008, had his best big league season (54 games, .780 OPS, 8 HR, .241 average). Started 2009 as the favorite to win the starting 3B job in SL, got hurt and ended up missing most of 2009 with 3 wrist surgeries.

2010 he had decent numbers at AAA for the Cards, but only .525 OPS with SL in 36 games, and the Cards let him go after the season. Atlanta picked him up, put him at AAA, then called him up at the end of April. Put up a .578 OPS in 36 games (.764 OPS in 20 games at AAA). When they tried to send him back down in June, he opted for free agency. And here he is.

Viva el Birdos had a pretty decent write up about him a couple years ago, comparing him to Chris Duncan. Also, apparently his nickname there was “Joey Bombs”, so that’s kinda cool. Even cooler is that his Wiki page says that another of his nicknames was Cotton Mather…

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by Junction Rox on Jul 7, 2011 7:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

Oh, he also pitched the 19th and 20th innings of a game a couple years ago

Took a loss against the Mets, giving up 1 run.

So maybe he’s coming in as bullpen help? We’ve seen worse this year…

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by Junction Rox on Jul 7, 2011 7:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

We play the Giants a couple times in September

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by Junction Rox on Jul 7, 2011 7:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

biants? Is that the word?

I don’t follow…

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by Resolution on Jul 7, 2011 8:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

Actually, he has been signed for a couple days

has been playing for the Sky Sox since Tuesday or so. Probably since Garner was called up. Used to play for St. Louis

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 7, 2011 8:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

Watching the Cubs-Nats

Its been a great game so far.

Reed Johnson strikes me as a player the Rox should take a look at.

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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 7, 2011 7:49 PM MDT via mobile reply actions  

A lightly regarded journeyman OF

Who can play circles around Spilly at less than half the price.

by Northsider1964 on Jul 7, 2011 7:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

maybe that's what Joe Mather can do?

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 7, 2011 8:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

Seems like a solid acquisition.

Battles every AB, tough player, having a good season.

He’d come cheap. Stick him in left, CarGo in CF, Smith in RF.

Why not.

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by CentralCaliRox on Jul 7, 2011 8:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

Cubs may want to keep him

If they have the opportunity to shed some of their more expensive OFs. We’re probably a year too late on getting Johnson at a six-figure price. But hey – we were all set on RH hitting OFs this season.

by Northsider1964 on Jul 7, 2011 9:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

I hope it goes to extras

And I mean DEEP into extras

I'm pretty disgusted right now!

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 7, 2011 8:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

Go Padre

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by SDcat09 on Jul 7, 2011 8:11 PM MDT reply actions  

Either way we're in huge trouble

As I see it, this ship has alredy hit the iceberg because the back of the rotation is rapidly becoming a disaster, the bullpen is being drained, and the schedule over the next month is an absolute beast (Monday started a 38 game stretch where 32 of the games were against teams with a winning record – not to mention that 23 of them are on the road where the Rockies are not 9-22 in their last 31 affairs).

If we can somehow get to August 15th, 5 or 6 games back, I’ll change my tune – but at this point, I just expect it to keep getting worse until that juncture because there are so many things crumbling with this team right now and it is in no position to make a run. By the time things start to turn, (and is still do believe they will turn at some point) I fear we will be too far back when we make our run.

I fully expect us to be about 13 games out by the time we finish this brutal stretch.

In short, we didn’t take advantage of the early part of the season where we A) started off hot and B) were getting outstanding pitching on a nightly basis. The penalty for throwing all that away is extremely severe I’m afraid – as in we won’t come out of mid August alive (unless you count mathematically).

I'm pretty disgusted right now!

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 7, 2011 9:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ah

 where the Rockies are not now 9-22

(and is I still do believe they will turn at some point)

I'm pretty disgusted right now!

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 7, 2011 9:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well

You can always grab a lifeboat and get away. I’m not willing to give up this ship just yet.

Get your purple on.

by rockhead on Jul 7, 2011 9:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

Oh I'll still be on the ship when it goes down

I’m just now very certain it’s going to sink.

I try to be as realistically optimistic as possible but even I can’t ignore the cold reality that is the daunting task that now stands in front of this team. It’s not just the 8 games they trail by, (8.5 if the Padres don’t come back tonight) – it’s the favorable conditions that will be in place for that gap to widen, possibly by several games over the next five weeks. Either one of those problems by themselves is not a death blow, and I wouldn’t so glum if one existed solely; but together…….let’s just say it’s not good.

I'm pretty disgusted right now!

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 7, 2011 9:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think you're wrong

But I’ve got to leave it alone before I post something I’ll regret. Good night.

Get your purple on.

by rockhead on Jul 7, 2011 10:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

not college, band camp

the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox

maybe firing tracy isn't the answer, but something's just not clicking out there

by papality on Jul 7, 2011 11:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'd like to hear it

I need something I can cling to right now that will make me feel better about this situation. I REALLY want to be wrong

I'm pretty disgusted right now!

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 7, 2011 10:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

WE are heading for a 90-loss season...

The second half won’t be any prettier for us than the first half has been. We aren’t trading for any “savior” as PHLP has hinted, even if we do pull off a trade for a solid player or two. This part of the schedule is a killer for us at the worst possible time as you’ve pointed out. And the way this team has a habit of throwing in the towel when out of it, as we did in our 1-13 ending to 2010 has me completely convinced we will go around 72-90 this year.

Last time this sort of thing happened when we had high hopes based on splashy megacontracts? 2001, after Hampton, Neagle, and Helton were given the combination to unlock the Rockies bank vault. Common thread here? O’Dowd, M&M. They don’t build a complete team, and neglect weak spots on the roster while overrating the players they do put on the club.

90 losses = O’Dowd’s Waterloo. That is my prediction, and I root that I’m wrong.

by GoRoxGo on Jul 7, 2011 10:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

CarGo and Tulo are far better than Hampton and Neagle

and weren’t pitchers that could have a bad time at Coors. I think the CarGo and Tulo signings were also done not with only winning this year as well. I believe this team has a 3-4 year window. Sadly, that won’t be enough for Helton but you can’t look at the CarGo and Tulo signings in the same way as Hampton and Neagle.

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by SDcat09 on Jul 7, 2011 10:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

That wasn't my point...

Where do I compare HampNeagle to Cargo and Tulo? Any idiot knows our current two stars are much better.

My point was that when this front office and ownership start puffing their chests with big contracts, they neglect other key spots on the roster and leave us with fatal holes. We were more concerned with giving Tulo, Cargo and the franchise long-term certainty that we totally forgot that there’s a 2011 season coming up, and we didn’t make the adjustments and additions needed for THIS season.

That is a front office sin that should hold somebody accountable.

by GoRoxGo on Jul 7, 2011 10:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

Poor development is a big factor.

But that has nothing to do with offseason moves.

by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 7, 2011 10:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

It's not just about development

It’s a about a disturbing trend we’re starting to see with Rockie players where they develop and then regress big time out of nowhere. Look at Fowler and Stewart this season – If they developed that would be great but even if they could have just held their career lines our record would be much better

I'm pretty disgusted right now!

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 7, 2011 10:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

The regression is odd for sure.

I wonder if that is more on coaching? So weird. But then you have other players that come up and do okay.

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by SDcat09 on Jul 7, 2011 10:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

The talent has not performed up to expectations...

but those expectations were really set by O’Dowd when he keeps Fowler and Stewart as our starting CF and 3B for this coming season. HE and his staff should more properly evaluate the talent, better than we the fans do, and better than the media pundits do.

The fact that O’Dowd has stacked the roster with underachieving and unclutch performers is an indictment, at some point, on him.

This is O’Dowd’s roster. He has to take ownership of it.

by GoRoxGo on Jul 7, 2011 10:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

Was there any reason at the end of last season to

not have Stewy and Dex starting? I don’t think they were sooo horrible last year that you wouldn’t give them opportunties to continue to compete for the job.

Whom would you have preferred over those two? Also, if you want FA signings to feel those positions that is easier said they done. Would we have gotten Carl Crawford? No way.

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by SDcat09 on Jul 7, 2011 10:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

Read my comment below about flipping them...

in trades. We could have ordained Cargo as our CF for the next many years, and filled a corner OF spot with a decent power bat. Who knows, maybe we could have pried away Juston Upton or someone like that with a package of a couple MLB players and/or prospects. Trouble is O’Dowd holds onto our young talent too long until their weaknesses are exposed and trade values collapse. He falls in love with the wrong ones too easily. He’s not a bad GM, just not a great one.

by GoRoxGo on Jul 7, 2011 10:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't think we intended for CarGo to be our everyday CF

I think we intended him to be our everyday LF but we were forced into it by Dex’s bad performance this year. Upton if he continued improving was likely going to resign with the Dbacks or make a lot more money in FA.

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by SDcat09 on Jul 7, 2011 10:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

How was O'Dowd supposed to know Ian and Dex would be THIS bad?

Sure they had their ups and downs but they were NEVER this bad. The coaches can lead these guys to the watering hole but they can’t take the drink for them too.

I'm pretty disgusted right now!

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 7, 2011 10:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

Fair comment.....

but that is precisely what winning organizations with top flight GMs do all the time. They make trades that may look strange when they are done, and yet they come out smelling like a rose later on.

There were yellow flags with both players after last season, though both could be considered up-and-comers still. They had trade value and we had holes. Seems trades should have been considered , at the very least.

by GoRoxGo on Jul 7, 2011 11:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

These statements are nice, but
hat is precisely what winning organizations with top flight GMs do all the time. They make trades that may look strange when they are done, and yet they come out smelling like a rose later on.

Which organizations? When? I can think of one organization that has been doing this over the last few years. I’ll give you a guess at which one. If you name the right one, I’ll buy your argument.

by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 7, 2011 11:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

tampa bay

exhibit A is scott kazmir

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by papality on Jul 7, 2011 11:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

Winner, winner.

Chicken dinner. That being said, they’re able to take a lot of risks because they have been loaded with prospects for years. Friedman has been masterful though, and he really doesn’t get the respect for it.

by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 7, 2011 11:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

Can you honestly list moves that should have been made in the offseason

that aren’t hindsight moves? I’d like to know them.

The general consensus across baseball was that the Rockies were going to compete for, if not win, the West.

by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 7, 2011 10:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm not the GM....

but for years O’Dowd has had the chance to fill the 2B hole, and has failed to to it adequately. That’s a sign that he can’t evaluate talent, or his staff can’t. Remember Jayson Nix being handed the starting 2B job in 2008 after we let Matsui go? Just one example.

But if I can just pick one trade, it was the Michael Young deal. Maybe we should have gone the extra mile to get it done. Or, if that failed, come up with someone a little more likely to produce than Lopez.

Also, he should have brought in more starting pitching depth and not counted on Cook for ANYTHING. That he didn’t, and even let Francis leave, suggests he wasn’t preparing for realistic scenarios. And, no, Clay Mortenson is not a realistic alternative to Cook. Nor is Greg Reynolds. They should never have been alternatives or high enough on the depth chart to be relied upon to step in and help.

Still, this roster is the accumulation of many years of front office work. It has some real talent, but real failures, and that is the result of O’Dowd & Co’s overall body of work. His teams have averaged 77-85 per season over 11 1/2 years.

In a results-oriented industry, that’s not good. Not good at all.

by GoRoxGo on Jul 7, 2011 10:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

Texas is the one who backed out of the Michael Young trade

Not O’Dowd.

And Francis is not a good pitcher anymore, so you really can’t blame O’Dowd for that.

I'm pretty disgusted right now!

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 7, 2011 10:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

I blame O'Dowd for being over 80 games under .500...

over 11 1/2 mostly disappointing seasons (save two wonderful ones). The Monforts may share in that blame, but ultimately it’s the baseball men that build an organization, and O’Dowd has had one too many disappointing teams when expectations were high.

As for Young, we don’t know what conversations went on. Maybe we could have offered one more prospect and gotten it done.

by GoRoxGo on Jul 7, 2011 10:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

When you say expectations were high

You spoil your own argument. If expectations were so high, then most out there had to think the moves O’Dowd made were pretty strong. That leads me to believe it’s the players who have the talent to win and are not getting the job done that’s the real issue here.

I'm pretty disgusted right now!

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 7, 2011 11:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

Not really....

MY personal expecations for this team were not that high, even if I was hoping this would be the year we win the NL West. I felt that the big signiings and the PR value swayed a lot of fans and media into thinking we are better than we really are. I questioned whether we had done enough to fills holes, and improve on our 3.5 runs per game and .226 average on the road.

In truth, I did not share the same expectations. A lot of this was not falling for the hype, being troubled by our 1-13 finish, and understanding that this team NEVER performs up to expectations when expectations are high.

by GoRoxGo on Jul 7, 2011 11:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

Where is this starting pitching depth coming from?

Who should he have been brought in?

I understand your frustration. I just don’t see any validity in your arguments. The Michael Young situation did not fail because of a lack of effort from theRockies. The Rangers pulled out to avoid the mounting PR disaster.

The starting pitching depth only became an issue after the season began due to injuries and sudden drops in effectiveness.

I’d be willing to back you on this is you had some better facts.

by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 7, 2011 10:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

Injuries happen...

and O’Dowd didn’t bring in anyone other than Clay Mortenson and Felipe Paulino to provide depth. John Maine? I wouldn’t say that was very likely to succeed.

Also, O’Dowd should have at least tried to make Morales a starter again in spring training. Even if he isn’t needed at the end of camp, his arm is stretched out and he may be able to be a long-man. Instead, we kept this wild reliever for two months and dumped him. Good riddance, I say, but who knows if Morales or even Paulino could have thrived a little more as starters? Or at least starter-ready relievers.

But you still need facts? Look at O’Dowd’s 11 1/2 year record. Look at how his highly regarded teams did in 2001, 2008, 2010, and now 2011. I see a pattern based on facts, even if you don’t.

by GoRoxGo on Jul 7, 2011 11:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

This still doesn't answer the questions:

Where is this starting pitching depth coming from?
Who should he have been brought in?

You’re not getting the point that I’m trying to make. I’m not defending DOD’s career record. I’m just trying to demonstrate the fact that there were no plausible trades last offseason that would have improved this team based on the knowledge that we had in the offseason.

This doesn’t mean that there is a problem with the FO or DOD, but the problem isn’t that they didn’t make more trades.

by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 7, 2011 11:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

just because we as the fans didnt have an idea of it beforehand or didnt know who might have been available doesnt mean that nothing could have happened or that no one was available

look at the tigers-yankees-dbacks trade, were the fans of those three teams sitting there the whole time completely privy to it? or when the phillies literally swept in out of nowhere and signed cliff lee?

the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox

maybe firing tracy isn't the answer, but something's just not clicking out there

by papality on Jul 7, 2011 11:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hmm. I thought you were using Neagle and Hampton

examples of some bad decisions of lots of money. Guess I misread this. Not sure why you had to invoke idiot here. I wasn’t picking a fight.

It does seem are indicting DOD and the Monforts for giving two contracts to franchise players. We also signed JDLR to a 3 year deal (ithink) and he went down with a bad elbow. I don’t think that was anticipated. Jose Lopez was a shot in the dark that didn’t work out, but that happens.

Would you rather risk losing Tulo or CarGo to franchises that could pay them more in say a year? I have no problem with the two signings, because again I think DOD is looking beyond just winning this season.

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by SDcat09 on Jul 7, 2011 10:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

You know "idiot" was not...

directed to anyone in particular, least of all you.

Tulo and Cargo would not have been available to anyone else in say a year. How about after 2014?

I really am not complaining about those signings “per-se”, but the distraction such signings cause, and the apparent inability to fill many other holes properly that we knew about. Maybe, just maybe, Fowler and/or Stewart could have been traded while their value was higher for a more productive bat or two?

Ahh, but that requires good talent evaluation. Something we may be missing right now.

by GoRoxGo on Jul 7, 2011 10:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

See my comments above about Dex and Ian

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by SDcat09 on Jul 7, 2011 10:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

This is hindsight.
Fowler and/or Stewart could have been traded while their value was higher for a more productive bat or two

Did anyone in baseball know that their value was not going to increase after this year? I would say that very few, if any, did. Now this seems like an obvious move, but it’s hindsight.

by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 7, 2011 10:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

Remember when Matt Williams was dealt by Sabean?

Same type of situation. Fans thought he was nuts, but he ended up with a guy named Jeff Kent. This is what great GMs do. O’Dowd cannot be counted among them.

Yes, you can claim these only look good in hindsight, but I for one was thinking Cargo was a better CF and it was wrong to stick him in LF. I may very well have used our CF depth to trade him and someone else for a corner OF power bat.

by GoRoxGo on Jul 7, 2011 11:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm not following this at all.

How are Fowler and Stewart like Matt Williams?

Once again, I’m not defending DOD as a great GM, but you’re arguments don’t make any sense.

And if you’re trying to point to Sabaean as a great GM, you might want to read up on the path it took to get to 2010.

by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 7, 2011 11:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

Also...

The Diamondbacks won a WS with Matt Williams. The Giants didn’t win one with Jeff Kent.

by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 7, 2011 11:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

The point is....

GMs have to take calculated risks via the trade route sometimes, and dare to be great at the risk of being called an idiotic GM. Sabean did that in that case, and Kent had a HOF-worthy run with the Giants.

Yes, Williams later on went on to have good seasons, and won a ring. But that’s irrelevant to my argument, which is that O’Dowd is not a very good talent evaluator or dealer of talent. He’s just OK, but not that great overall as his medicore career W/L record with the team attests.

by GoRoxGo on Jul 7, 2011 11:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

Giants fans have hated Sabean more often than they've loved him.

The fact that they were unable to win a world series with perhaps the best hitter who ever lived doesn’t really reflect well on his genius.

by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 7, 2011 11:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

nathan's a good point, but liriano blows

he had a good K/BB last year, but the man is very hittable when he’s on, and terrible when he’s not, and injured the rest of the time

the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox

maybe firing tracy isn't the answer, but something's just not clicking out there

by papality on Jul 7, 2011 11:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

Not before he had TJ surgury

When the Giants let him go, they gave up an outstanding pitcher.

I'm pretty disgusted right now!

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 7, 2011 11:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

You realize there weren't enough lifeboats for everyone on the Titanic right?

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by SDcat09 on Jul 7, 2011 10:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

You should get out while you can

Women and children first.

I'm pretty disgusted right now!

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 7, 2011 10:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

Meh. I'm going down with the ship

Someone else can have my seat.

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by SDcat09 on Jul 7, 2011 10:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Happy birthday to me.

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by Yokel on Jul 7, 2011 10:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

JFK's Quote of the Day (in case you don't look back at the Rockpile):

“A baseball bat is a wondrous weapon.” Source: Widely Attributed ~Ty Cobb

"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK

by jrockies on Jul 7, 2011 8:34 PM MDT reply actions  

So I've got to hand it to the Rockeis. Before this series I said
This series, and really this entire road trip scares me to death because it’s exactly the type of voyage that can wreck the Rockies.

I fully expected to lose three out of four games in Atlanta and knew that if we failed to take game two that there was a decent chance of us getting swept. Clearly my expectations were not low enough!!!!! Not only do they get swept but they lose both Tulo to a quad tweak and Charlie to a broken foot.

I guess to avoid disappointment this weekend I should expext to get swept and have a least one more key player get hurt. Maybe this time I won’t be disappointed.

I'm pretty disgusted right now!

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 7, 2011 8:36 PM MDT reply actions  

I had zero expectations for this trip.

 I wouldn’t have been surprised if it was winless.
That said, injuries suck. And when I thought it couldn’t get worse..

Hiding under my Rockies blankie

by prettyinpurple on Jul 7, 2011 9:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

Let's hope the Nats can't bounce back well.

They blew an 8-0 lead.

@CentralCaliRox

by CentralCaliRox on Jul 7, 2011 8:39 PM MDT via mobile reply actions  

Oh great

Nats blow an 8-0 lead against the Cubs. Now they are gonna be extra pissed going into tomorrow’s game.

I'm pretty disgusted right now!

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 7, 2011 8:39 PM MDT reply actions  

Could work for them.

But it also could work AGAINST them.

Latter, please.

@CentralCaliRox

by CentralCaliRox on Jul 7, 2011 8:41 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

that is the kind of magic that propels a team throughout the year

A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves

by waterboy31321 on Jul 8, 2011 7:29 AM MDT up reply actions  

cubs, cleveland....

man, whatever happened to the rockies doing cool stuff in the late innings?

the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox

maybe firing tracy isn't the answer, but something's just not clicking out there

by papality on Jul 7, 2011 9:42 PM MDT reply actions  

that is awesome

the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox

maybe firing tracy isn't the answer, but something's just not clicking out there

by papality on Jul 7, 2011 9:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

Charlie's hurt too? Man.

"Are they called the Rockies because they rock?" - 7 y.o.

by glaucophane on Jul 7, 2011 9:55 PM MDT reply actions  

And of course

You know it can’t be our annual road trip of death unless we lose one on a blown save walk-off HR so prepare for that sometime in that Nats series too. I just have this overwheming feeling that this is still going to find a way to get worse.

I'm pretty disgusted right now!

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 7, 2011 9:59 PM MDT reply actions  

Nats' last ten wins have been by one run or in extra innings...

so a walkoff is not out of the question.

They had tying and winning runs in scoring position with two out in ninth tonight, but Marmol got the last out.

by alex colfax on Jul 7, 2011 11:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

Wow!

This is worse than the Rockpile incident.

by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 7, 2011 10:04 PM MDT reply actions  

I've often wondered if people fell trying to catch a ball like that

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by jrockies on Jul 7, 2011 10:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

I feel bad for Hamilton.

He was just doing a routine gesture. It’s not his fault at all, but I don’t know how he’s not affected by it.

by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 7, 2011 10:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

That's so awful

Poor Josh Hamilton too; I hope this doesn’t haunt him because that’s brutal.

I'm pretty disgusted right now!

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 7, 2011 10:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

Wait, isn't this the second time a fan has fallen at Ranger Stadium and died

or is this a repeat of last years story?

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by SDcat09 on Jul 7, 2011 10:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

The guy last year fell farther, but lived.

This guy just fell the wrong way I suppose. He apparently hit something on the way down, which may have made it so his body didn’t flatten out as what typically happens when you fall from that kind of height.

by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 7, 2011 10:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

Wow. I can't believe that's happened twice at the same stadium. Bizarre

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by SDcat09 on Jul 7, 2011 10:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

Seems like there might be some oddity about the railings.

They seem pretty low to me. They are a little below waist high on the average man.

by DumbAndNerdy on Jul 7, 2011 10:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

Bah I had mine rewound. And thought how can this be over...lol

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by SDcat09 on Jul 7, 2011 10:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

Sorry

You didn’t miss too much

I'm pretty disgusted right now!

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 7, 2011 10:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

It was just funny because I forgot I had rewound. I was just confused.

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by SDcat09 on Jul 7, 2011 10:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

So to review...

Today the Rockies lost, the Giants won, the D’Backs won, Helton didn’t make the All Star game, and Blackmon broke his foot.

What a smahing success!!!!

I'm pretty disgusted right now!

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 7, 2011 11:12 PM MDT reply actions  

yay

/smashes head against wall

Hiding under my Rockies blankie

by prettyinpurple on Jul 7, 2011 11:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

So that's what he meant by smashing

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by SDcat09 on Jul 7, 2011 11:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

On the Plus Side

“Torchwood” is back tomorrow. I can resume drooling over John Barrowman

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by SDcat09 on Jul 7, 2011 11:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yes. And I find

it awesome. I think he and his husband are lovely.

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by SDcat09 on Jul 8, 2011 11:27 AM MDT up reply actions  

On the Plus Side

Today is almost over. (MDT)

Altar Boy in the Church of Santo Ubaldo
"...buffalo chicken is a fine anti-depressant, after all." -UZ

by Yokel on Jul 7, 2011 11:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

Sorry if this is trollish, but I can't find a discussion of it anywhere here. Why Not Tim Wheeler?

Question: Why hasn’t there been more talk of, at the very least, moving Wheeler up to AAA, especially given the situation with Blackmon’s injury and Garner’s call-up?

Is it possible that Wheeler, a plus fielder with speed, could provide the kind of punch from the corner outfield position that could help the Rockies make a second-half run?

Does the answer hide in the numbers? Does Wheeler strike out too much, does his swing translate at the big league level?

Tim Wheeler 316/398/603 K : 26.4 BB: 9.8 BABIP: 372

Dexter Fowler 2008 Tulsa: 335/431/515 BABIP: 405 K : 21.1 BB: 12.9 (called up to major leagues 108 games)

Chris Iannetta Tulsa: 321/418/622 k %: 16.7 BB % 13 (played just 41 games before moving up to AAA where all of his numbers went down)

CarGo: 286/330/476 K 22.5 bb 6.4 BABIP: 333

And just for fun comparison ( I know not all of these translate very well)

Todd Helton 1996 New Haven (AA): 332/425/486

Matt Holliday 2003 Tulsa: 253/313/395

Larry Walker 1987 Jacksonville (AA): 287/383/534

Jack Cust 2003 El Paso (AA): 293/440/526

Prince Fielder (AA): 272/366/473

Ken Griffey Junior (AA): 273/353/492 (18 years old)

Joey Votto (AA): 319/408/547

Matt Kemp: 327/402/528(AA) (moved to AAA after 48 games)

Joe Mauer (AA): 341/400/453

Chipper Jones (AA): 346/367/594

Mark McGwire (AA): 303/427/533 (moved up to AAA 55 games in)

Miguel Cabrera (AA): 365/429/609 (called up to big leagues 69 games)

David Wright (AA): 363/467/619 (moved to AAA 60 games)

Frank Thomas: 323/487/581 (called up after 109 games)

by rururuland784 on Jul 8, 2011 12:18 AM MDT reply actions  

i think wheeler getting called up is more likely with a post-break collapse

that way we’ll have pretty much given up on the season, and can give wheeler a little bit of time in the majors, see how he deals with better pitching, since as you said his K rate is probably of concern. he’ll be in colorado springs next year for sure, barring injury or something

the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox

maybe firing tracy isn't the answer, but something's just not clicking out there

by papality on Jul 8, 2011 1:27 AM MDT up reply actions  

Wheeler's numbers are better than Dexter's babip inflated numbers in 2008

when Dexter was called up. From everything I’ve researched, he’s having the best 80+ game AA season of any legitimate prospect in franchise history.

by rururuland784 on Jul 8, 2011 1:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

dont get me wrong, i think the kid's got great potential, more so than fowler, and probably has the highest ceiling of any non-pitcher not named rosario in the system

it’s just that with all the struggles dexter and stewart have had, maybe the organization is going to take a ‘let them cook a bit more’ stance with wheeler

the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox

maybe firing tracy isn't the answer, but something's just not clicking out there

by papality on Jul 8, 2011 1:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

You think Rosario still has a higher cieling

He’s had a very tough year at the plate.

I suppose I get that argument. But, I don’t see AAA aiding in his development at this point. To me, with his improvements hitting the ball to all fields, staying in longer against lefties and his remarkeable and consistent power display, he’s ready for the big leagues.

He’s done everything and A LOT more than what the organization could have asked if he was on a 2012 timeline.

Stewart was given a lot of time at AA and AAA, so perhaps it works both ways. I guess I’m not a big believer that bringing a great hitter up from AA who has a big-league approach (and an ideal Coors approach) is going to hinder his development— not when he’s shown basically all you could ask for (sure, his k rate is a little high but Cargo improved that at the big league level).

by rururuland784 on Jul 8, 2011 2:13 AM MDT up reply actions  

wheeler probably has a higher ceiling as a hitter and basestealer, but rosario is an outstanding defensive catcher who can hit well too, and that's worth a hell of a lot

but i totally agree, and would love it if they gave wheeler a look up at the big club. garner’s performance might be the biggest obstacle to that, depending on how bad blackmon ends up being hurt

the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox

maybe firing tracy isn't the answer, but something's just not clicking out there

by papality on Jul 8, 2011 2:22 AM MDT up reply actions  

If Spilly can't put together a couple of hits soon

Why not just DFA him instead of the false choice between Garner and Wheeler?

The whole “Spilly is good for the locker room” doesn’t hold much water when the ship is sinking.

by rururuland784 on Jul 8, 2011 2:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

special assistant to the gm

the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox

maybe firing tracy isn't the answer, but something's just not clicking out there

by papality on Jul 8, 2011 5:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't understand the logic

If they’re wheeling to let him see big-league pitching this year, why should they wait until the collapse is in progress?
There aren’t any high-salary veterans blocking him. They could plattoon he and Garner/Fowler.
His numbers are too ridiculous to ingore.This was guy who was thought as a major league outfielder before the power explosion (which many thought was hiding all along). I mean, much less thought of prospects who’ve put up inferior league-adjusted numbers have gotten their shot and done well. At the very least, bring him up and let him start against right-handed pitching. What else can he prove at Tulsa? The all-fields batting approach has elevated him into an elite hitter and his splits have dramatically improved against LHP.

by rururuland784 on Jul 8, 2011 1:51 AM MDT reply actions  

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