Monday Rockpile: Ubaldo's Departure Sentimental, Even To the Pragmatists
by Andrew Martin on Aug 1, 2011 7:01 AM MDT
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Welcome to the absolute hardest part of rooting for a team whose organizational philosophy is to build from within: attachment.
Matt Holliday, I never really liked him. I loved his bat, I rooted for him in the MVP voting, and it was awesome to see him and Garrett Atkins on the simultaneous rise in 2006. But the minute he hired Scott Boras as his agent, his skin turned green and he grew horns.
I loved Jason Jennings during his tenure with the Rockies, but I never was really THAT high on the guy. I loved that he put up one of the franchise-low ERAs in 2006, and I was PISSED when the trade went down, but ultimately I came to grips with it. Something about Jennings just didn't seem like he was the organization's guy. It took a short while to get over it, but I eventually came to comfortable grips with the return and never looked back.
But Ubaldo...man. That guy. He was the only player aside from Todd Helton that I let myself get really attached to. You just want him, Ubaldo Jimenez, to succeed, regardless of uniform, but part of me wanted him to suck a little more so that we could keep him forever. Like the reverse of a contract year player - he'd be awesome in non-contract years and awful in the contract year and we just keep extending him forever on a Tim-Wakefield-esque perpetual $4M option.
There was just something ABOUT Ubaldo that made him bigger than roughly anyone else we've ever watched, aside from probably Helton.
All through his minor league career, he'd always be the highlight of any minor league report. Farmhounds would always talk about what this kid had, all them tools and weapons and stuff.
"You just wait until this Ubaldo Jimenez kid comes up. He's gonna be a freaking stud."
Then he came up and saved the 2007 season and 3-hit the Red Sox in a 2-1 loss.
Then he posted the ever-rare sub-4 ERA in his last start of the season (I remember sitting with my roommate trying to figure out what combination of IP and ER he could allow and finish below a 4.00 ERA).
Then he freaking started the All Star Game and finished 3rd in the Cy Young voting.
And now he's gone.
So now I'm left with the weird situation of suddenly having to welcome in Drew Pomeranz and Alex White to the rotation. Sure, I love their expected production, but I feel like a mother wolf trying to love Mowgli as much as one of our own.
More reactions after the jump.
Jimenez deal forces closer look at prospect value - MLB - Yahoo! Sports
I don't think the Rockies can do anything to please Jeff Passan.
Wait, strike that. It's irrelevant what the Rockies do, Jeff just doesn't want good players playing for the Rockies. That must be it. Troy Tulowitzki and Carlos Gonzalez sign giant extensions with the Rockies? Should've been with the Yankees. Rockies trade Ace for top prospects? Good for Cleveland, Colorado just took on all the risk in the world.
Ok, so I'm not really mad at Passan. I typically like the guy alright. but come on, the Rockies got a solid return as far as baseball analysis goes, can't we just say that as well? Can't this be a win-win? I mean, it's obviously too early to really nail anything down, but how come we can't say "well what if this is the next John Smoltz for Doyle Alexander" where the Indians get a lot of value out of Ubaldo Jimenez and the Rockies end up with a future Hall of Famer in Drew Pomerantz? Ok maybe I'm getting ahead of myself.
Which Ubaldo Jimenez did the Indians Acquire? - Beyond the Box Score
What about this possibility: that we traded as high as we were ever going to be able to on Ubaldo Jimenez? What if that decreased velocity and increased hittability wasn't just bad luck or statistical variation, what if he actually is more hittable, and the Rockies just got a monstrous return on a guy who may already be on the downslope of his career?
We've all brushed Ubaldo's velocity drop and increased hittability under the rug a bit. Not to say that those are the only things important for a pitcher, but they're things that need to be taken into consideration still. Over his past 14 starts (yes, arbitrary endpoints, I know), and not including the actual Saturday "start", Ubaldo posted a 3.41 ERA, struck out 86 batters to only 25 walks, good for a 2.99 FIP. He also gave up roughly 21% line drives and a BABIP of .323. I don't really know where I'm going with this, so we just have to wait and see. Ultimately, the production is what teams want, by whatever means chosen to evaluate said production.
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I was shocked to hear of the trade over the weekend
But not surprised. I will continue to root for Ubaldo until he retires, and pray that he finds his way back to the Rockies someday.
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by Thnikkaman on Aug 1, 2011 7:27 AM MDT reply actions 3 recs
First trip to Coors ever today!
Finishing the drive in from Ohio and I’ll be here all week. Can’t wait for to root for the home team :)
If White and Pomeranz work out
I can get over the heartbreak of losing Ubaldo. And I like the fact that a deal was made for pitching depth when it must have been tempting to try to “fix” some lineup issues.
But I will always wonder how this might have turned out if Ubaldo’s injuries had been taken more seriously back in March and April. Cookie practically has a second home in Tulsa and Street stayed in Tucson last year for a long, long time with nothing more than a funny feeling in his shoulder. And that’s all fine with me, because you need to get your pitchers right even if it costs you a few early games. But Ubaldo? – gotta make that big Opening Day splash big fella, even if it’s with 89 mph get-me-over fastballs.
by Northsider1964 on Aug 1, 2011 7:44 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
This could be just the bargaining speaking
But I, too, would have traded anyone but Ubaldo. Throw Tulo under the bus, or even CarGo. I would have a problem trading Todd, but because of what that would say about the organization, not about anything else.
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Is Pomeranz really a curveball pitcher?
If so, that doesn’t bode well. They seem to get rocked when they pitch at Coor’s since the movement goes away. Will this be something that is easy to adjust for? I am not all that confident that Colorado is the right place for him.
that and a 95 mph fastball are his best pitches, yes
When was the last time a pitcher failed at Coors because the curveball was his best pitch? Kile?
Hammel and DLR both have good to great curves, and both seem to do well at Coors.
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Chacin has a great curve as well if I recal
He just doesn’t throw it much at home.
A Ty WIggington Home Run is a Rockies Death Sentence.
Throw more sliders that 12-6 curveballs in Demver.
And definitely more sliders than high mph straight fastballs (2 seam fastballs excepted)
/somewhere Mark Wholers just threw a punch and doesn’t know why.
FFFFFFFFFFF.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Aug 1, 2011 8:11 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Right and neither does Hammel
"They’re not wanting us to show up at the stadium and say, ’We’re going to lose today.’ That’s the way I’m looking at it. I keep showing up every day and playing hard." Ubaldo
by rururuland784 on Aug 1, 2011 4:01 PM MDT up reply actions
Agree
Just because Pomeranz has a nice curveball doesn’t mean it’s his bread-and-butter. At Coors Field you can’t make mistakes in the middle of the plate, regardless of what you throw.
by Northsider1964 on Aug 1, 2011 8:02 AM MDT up reply actions
Ubaldo has a pretty good curve too
Even if it is, like, his eighth pitch. Sigh.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 1, 2011 8:31 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Chacin doesn't thorw his curve at Coors.
Hammel doesn’t throw it as much either.
There’s something to that.
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 1, 2011 9:35 AM MDT up reply actions
hey, tell all your friends
fastballs are affected more than curves at Coors, it’ll be fine.
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by Charlie77 on Aug 1, 2011 1:09 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
cutters sinkers and sliders
oh my
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works for roy halladay
throw in a changeup to keep ’em honest
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
lets just use our 2012 money for something good and not another wigginton
Chris Nelson raised his OPS from .630 to .730 the last two days.
Not an easy thing to do in PETCO. SSS, I know, but I’m really hoping he’s finally gotten over the AAAA hump.
that could be tremendous
if he continues to hit well, and ends the season with a respectable line, he should be our starting 2B in 2012, which would free us up from paying $3-4 to another year older version of mark ellis, and allows us to maybe stay in on fielder or wilson longer
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
lets just use our 2012 money for something good and not another wigginton
I think we're going to re-sign Ellis no matter what
Right now, we’re looking at a gaping hole at 3B
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I think he can "technically" play every middle infield position
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much like ty 'RISP' wigginton
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
lets just use our 2012 money for something good and not another wigginton
Nelson's a better bet to be a plus defender at 3B than Wigginton.
He has the arm, has good range. Playing the position isn’t an issue, the question has been whether he’d hit enough for it. I think he could.
oh i wasn't knocking nelson at all
i was more getting at his versatility being real, unlike wigginton who is just awful no matter where he plays
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
lets just use our 2012 money for something good and not another wigginton
Considering what the new MLB standard for #B is, I'm more than happy giving Nelson an audition.
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god that position has become a wasteland.
it makes Stewart’s lack of productivity more tolerable but also more frustrating…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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I think it's a possibility.
Even if not, though, he could be more of an asset at 2B than Ellis, so if he pushes Ellis to the bench, it’ll be an okay thing for us.
I agree.
But if it comes down to a pick 3 situation with Ellis, Nelson, and Wiggington, we know what the obvious answer is.
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Herrera.
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Rosell?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 1, 2011 8:42 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Pancho.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 1, 2011 9:04 AM MDT up reply actions
Villa?
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nope, Pancho Herrera
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 1, 2011 9:11 AM MDT up reply actions
He will lead the revolution of the slap hitter.
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baseball has been berra berra good to him
but seriously:
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 1, 2011 9:16 AM MDT up reply actions
Geese
Way to kill my joke.
(Thanks for the history lesson)
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 1, 2011 9:15 AM MDT up reply actions
history got banned??
but but, what to make projections off of??
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hustle
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 1, 2011 9:16 AM MDT up reply actions
johnny herrera
the next jose bautista
/hustle projeted
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
lets just use our 2012 money for something good and not another wigginton
yeah 3B is a huge issue, to be sure
and the 2012 3B free agent crop is pretty much the definition of a joke:
Wilson Betemit KC
Casey Blake LAD *
Eric Chavez NYY
Mark DeRosa SF
Greg Dobbs PHI
Edwin Encarnacion TOR *
Wes Helms FLA
Melvin Mora ARI
Aramis Ramirez CHC
Miguel Tejada SF
Omar Vizquel CWS
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
lets just use our 2012 money for something good and not another wigginton
belisle and betancourt are also FAs
belisle projects to be a type A and betancourt type B… do we let them walk and take the draft picks, and attempt to replace their innings internally?
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
lets just use our 2012 money for something good and not another wigginton
I thought Betancourt was signed through 2012
With a club option for 2013. Not positive about this though.
by Northsider1964 on Aug 1, 2011 8:34 AM MDT up reply actions
yes, he is
however it’s a mutual option, not club, though the buyout is only $250k. that will get interesting depending on how he finished the year
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
lets just use our 2012 money for something good and not another wigginton
But the buyout is only for 2013, right?
I think he’s owed $4 mil in 2012 no matter what, based on this article:
“The right-hander, already slated to make $3,775,000 this year, will earn $4 million in 2012 under a new contract agreed to with the Rockies. The deal includes a $4.25 mutual option in 2013 with a $250,000 buyout.”
That’s why I’m a bit surprised he wasn’t traded. I’m a big fan of Raffy’s, and I think he was one of the Rockies’ best-ever in-season acquisitions. But I’m not sure how well his legs will hold up anymore under a full season of frequent work.
by Northsider1964 on Aug 1, 2011 8:43 AM MDT up reply actions
Yep, via Cot's
12:$4M, 13:$4.25M mutual option ($0.25M buyout)
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as i say right above this
betancourt has a mutual option option for 2013, but belisle is going to be a type A free agent
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after next year
That’s a bit far off for me to worry about right now
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 1, 2011 8:43 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
yeah betancourt's a non-issue for now
i whiffed on that one
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
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Yes
But I’m confused why you posted a list of 2012 3B free agents and than added that two of our relief pitchers will be free agents in 2013. What does that have to do with anything.
i was looking at the cots 2012 free agent list, and saw their names
sorry for bringing it up
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
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ah yes, cots is great, but those FA lists are often inaccurate
I was advocating signing Cuddyer last offseason based on that list, when he had his option exercised a year before in Minnesota
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 1, 2011 9:10 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
is the MLBTR list that much better?
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 1, 2011 9:11 AM MDT up reply actions
says it was updated july 27
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nice, there we go
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 1, 2011 9:15 AM MDT up reply actions
The only Rockie headed for automatic free agency this year is Mark Ellis.
Any others are going to have to be released, non-tendered or leave on an outright attempt.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 1, 2011 10:44 AM MDT up reply actions
Well, in the case of Giambi and Cook, have their options declined.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 1, 2011 10:46 AM MDT up reply actions
Who do we have or who can we sign
That can pitch 120 innings out of the pen?
Can Casey Weathers finally be healthy and effective and be one guy? (signs point to no)
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Aug 1, 2011 8:43 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
we have edgmer escalona
and hammel may well end up in the pen
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
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Interesting though about Hammel:
Has anyone though that Hammel is what Jason Hirsh would have become had Hirsh stayed healthy?
FFFFFFFFFFF.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Aug 1, 2011 8:51 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Hirsh had way more potential than Hammel
Hirsh was a top prospect at one point. Hammel has always been a scrub.
This isn't completely true.
Hammel was rated #79 by BA at one point. Making the top 100 is more than a scrub.
and why I say it's not completely true is that Hirsh rated #42 that year.
He was considered a better prospect than Hammel, it’s just that Hammel wasn’t a “scrub”.
Top prospect with Houston anyhow
Relative rankings are always a bit misleading by nature.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 1, 2011 11:38 AM MDT up reply actions
Totally
That’s why it’s important to stack overall rankings against team rankings. A prospect might mean more to a team than their actual market value.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 1, 2011 11:51 AM MDT up reply actions
I like Betemit quite a bit.
Dobbs isn’t too bad either in a semi-regular role rather than a straight PH one. He’ll be 33 next year, but if we know that we’re not going to go after Aramis Ramirez, either might be an okay choice.
ramirez is exactly the kind of guy who would benefit from coors
as bad as his .328 road wOBA looks, that’s still pretty good.
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and he'll demand 4/80
and he’ll get it.
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significant overpay for what's sure to be his decline years
i’d almost prefer higher AAV but shorter contract, something like 3/66 with a team option for a 4th year
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
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22 mil a year for Aramis Ramirez?
You’ve gotta be out of your mind.
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I'd give him 3/40 and pray for rain.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 1, 2011 8:46 AM MDT up reply actions
yeah, i wouldn't doubt it at this point
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
lets just use our 2012 money for something good and not another wigginton
i dunno though
with averageish defense, he could put up ~4 WAR in coors field
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I'm not ready to make Aramis Ramirez the highest paid player on this team
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yeah, if it didn't go well, o'dowd would be extremely unpopular
people are already peeved enough about trade, and another failed big-money free agent is the last thing he wants on his resume
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
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I would hope we at least look into it.
I doubt the team has the money to sign him, but it’s hard to say what the market will be at this point.
Eh Ramirez is frustrating
he alternates good and bad seasons, plays meh defense, and is injury prone. Unless he wants to make a dumb signing with us, I’m okay having him go elsewhere.
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Only one I would take a flyer on in that group would be
Encarnacion, and by flyer I mean I would sign him to a minor league deal with an invite to camp.
Its a shame the Indians didn’t have a young 3b they could’ve sent our way in return for the best pitcher ever to put on a Rockies Uniform…. oh wait they did.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
encarnacion is awful
there’s a reason his nickname is E5.
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After a lot of thought, I really don't see any universe where the Indians give us either Kipnis OR Chisenhall.
It’s simply not possible.
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After some thought
I didn’t really see any universe where the Rockies would trade a cost controlled ace that wasn’t afraid to pitch at Coors field.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
We can talk about the fantasy trade people want, or the trade we made.
I’d rather discuss the reality of the situation, and I believe that Cleveland already overpaid. Counting spilt milk at this point does nothing at all but continue to rip off the band aid.
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by Muzia on Aug 1, 2011 8:43 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Don't mind me
I’m just over here punching myself in the groin over and over again.
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Fair enough
I’m going to agree to disagree right now because I’m so beaten down over this I don’t want to argue. I will just say this
As good as the prospects we got are, it is criminal that O’Dowd didn’t address the biggest need this club has right now, and get a big time bat in return.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
I really, really wanted Kipnis.
Really, really badly.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 1, 2011 8:47 AM MDT up reply actions
I really doubt that you've been beaten down as much as the other side of the issue.
It’s a hugely unpopular trade right now in Colorado. Defenders of the move are paying a higher price than those against it.
I read it, and thanks for posting it here.
I’m sure you capture a lot of Rockies fans feelings with that, including some of mine. I agree that one more big hitter is still the team’s greatest need, and that was not addressed at all this weekend. I differ from you in that I feel a higher quality end of the rotation was the team’s second biggest weakness. O’Dowd tried to address that. We’ll see if it works.
Big hitter
Is it easier to get a big hitter now or wait until the end of the season? What are the Rockies playing for the rest of the season? Are they saying in the clubhouse that they still have a shot at the NL West?
Enough of this mediocrity...win the NL West title!
by big hitter in this case, we'd have been talking of a young, unproven guy
that was fairly likely to get there like Jesus Montero, Yonder Alonso, Chisenhall, etc.., I think you’re referring to one that’s already there. In that case, I think it actually might be easier to get one during the offseason, when there are several ways to approach it, including FA or trades.
Ya but this team doesn't do FA anymore
Bat has to come through the farm or through Trade. I was hoping for a Montero, Alonso, or Chisenhall, and we didn’t get one.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
Even before the trade
The biggest strength of our farm was pitching. And even though we didn’t get a big bat prospect back in the deal, we now have even more quality pitching in our organization. It is very possible we could try to flip some of our young arms to fill the holes.
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by WalkerFan33 on Aug 1, 2011 10:51 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I really don't think Cleveland overpaid
I wanted them too if they were going to get Ubaldo – and that’s why I think the Rockies should have held out for Kipnis in the deal.
The Rockies didn’t do to bad either though as this has the potential to be a fair deal for both sides. I just wanted to pillage Cleveland’s farm here.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 1, 2011 9:46 AM MDT up reply actions
they gave up THE two key pieces in their rotation 2012-2016
for Ubaldo.
That’s a tough price to pay.
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Let's not forget who they were trading for
Ubaldo was BY FAR the best piece on the market and they are getting him for AT LEAST three runs at a World Series – A prize that city hasn’t seen since 1948. It should be a tough price to pay.
Therefore, I think the fee should have been a little higher.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 1, 2011 10:06 AM MDT up reply actions
A friend of mine that is more of a casual fan actually helped put the price in perspective
He commented to me on Saturday that we got Cleveland’s last two #1 picks, so we can’t have done that bad. It got me to thinking, if the Rockies traded Matzek and Parker in a package at the deadline, I’m pretty sure the Row would burn to the ground regardless of who we got in return.
Disagree
If we traded let’s say Mr. Longoria for those two I’d throw a parade.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 1, 2011 10:14 AM MDT up reply actions
I dunno....
if Matzek had an 11.1 K/9 and a 1.98 ERA this season and we traded him, I think many of us would have a problem.
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if Friedrich was in AA and knocking down the door
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but he's also very polished
and has significant college experience
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lets just use our 2012 money for something good and not another wigginton
yeah
as iffy as he is, his through the roof potential still lands him in the top 10 of our system
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lets just use our 2012 money for something good and not another wigginton
Now imagine if those picks were near MLB ready and destroying the minors
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exactly, this isn't all that close to that scenario.
Rockies fans can’t really comprehend what this would feel like because we’ve never in our team’s history had back to back #1 picks perform so well, so quickly. The closest we can come to imagining this is had we traded Tulo and Ubaldo in the summer of 2006.
I never really wanted to trade Ubaldo from the begining
But all the talk about pillaging a team’s farm system and we’re not trading Ubaldo unless it is a Herschel Walker type trade and we’ll be getting a big bat or two plus top pitching prospects back I started to warm up to the idea.
And then the trade went down and although the upside is huge, it still seems underwhelming. I have a feeling that before the trade happened, if this offer was brought up in one of the Rockpiles, people would have said we don’t want to do it unless Chis or Kip are in there.
I never thought we'd get White + Pomeranz from Cleveland
maybe one of the two, but definitely not both. These two are the closest to MLB ready of any pitcher name we threw out there in speculation, and both have higher upside.
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by Muzia on Aug 1, 2011 9:54 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I also miss 2010 Ubaldo
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 1, 2011 9:08 AM MDT up reply actions
I miss Ubaldo already
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it's sad but true
trading for a win-now pitcher would be offset by dealing their 2 best infield options right now not named Asdrubal.
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It's possible
if one of them replaces White in the deal. Chisenhall being the most likely, as the Indians have Hannahan and Jason Donald who can give them at least adequate production there, and it’s the Rockies biggest hole. I’m not saying I hate the deal, I think we’ve upgraded the pitching staff over the next few years, but it’s just a big disappointment to deal a guy like Ubaldo and still have all the same holes in the lineup that we had before. That was, and is, our biggest problem. Sure, they would have downgraded there if they included one of those guys, but we were the ones with the big piece, they were the ones in pursuit. I really don’t see it as a dealbreaker that they end up with a bit of a hole where we want to fill one…
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by Junction Rox on Aug 1, 2011 10:58 AM MDT up reply actions
yeah, chisenhall would have been great
i’d even have thrown in stewart if we could get him
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lets just use our 2012 money for something good and not another wigginton
that's like a TV ad that throws in a cheese grater as "your special gift"
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by Muzia on Aug 1, 2011 3:09 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well, we can't exactly double the original Ubaldo offer.
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what, you don't like grated cheese?
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he prefers to cut the cheese
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Always irrationally liked him
Ramirez would be nice, but we don’t spend money on free agents of his caliber… Betemit… meh…
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
irrational is right
.4 WAR in 325 PA this year… hitting in rogers centre
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And Sadley
We are paying 4 million for just double that production…. if its a minor league deal I wouldn’t see the harm
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
and he's raking this year....
/sigh
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Granted
I can’t say he would have done the same here.
I just wanted to illustrate how little it can take to trade for a bat during the off-season. Willingham and Napoli are two others who illustrate that point.
I say bring Willingham in
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Oh how much I wanted us to make that deal...
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what were we offering again?
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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ey2 and something else
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Blackmon
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we definitely lost the mike young wars
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lotta hindsight there
I don’t think anyone REALLY expected Young to take off like this again.
That said, we totally lost the mike young wars.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 1, 2011 4:01 PM MDT up reply actions
That 3B FA list is a giant crop of suck
FFFFFFFFFFF.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Aug 1, 2011 8:49 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
would we be better
to go journeyman at 3b and try and find a big bat at 2b, rf, somewhere else???
2012 hitters are pretty lackluster
aside from fielder, reyes, and pujols, none of whom we’ll get
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we can fall quite a bit short of that level and improve on what we
had this year at 2b and 3b.
less so at RF…
maybe we better do some trading – package smith and friedrich???
kelly johnson is a type A free agent
might be worth a look
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I want Johnson and Ramirez
that was the FA option of the “gotta fix the club somehow” article from Friday.
I’d also like a pony.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 1, 2011 9:16 AM MDT up reply actions
we already gots a pony
and he’s got our tacos right over there
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maserati?
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 1, 2011 9:18 AM MDT up reply actions
i'm also hesitant to give kevin towers our draft picks
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the way we've drafted the past 6 years or so, we might as well
and we’re gunning for a top 15 pick anyhow, so there’s that
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 1, 2011 9:19 AM MDT up reply actions
haha yeah
i wonder if we could convert grady sizemore to an infielder…
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I personally see Johnson as better than Lansing
and am still mad about not picking him up for 2010.
Nelson needs to have a big 2nd half is all I’m saying.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 1, 2011 9:27 AM MDT up reply actions
I agree that we should've picked him up
But it just screams bad move to me, signing a guy who is 2 years removed for a big season to a big deal… I don’t like it.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
I don't trust Kelly Johnson being productive going forward for very long either,
I’m not exactly sure why.
unless the reds buyout phillips,
he’s the best free agent second baseman
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I don't think 2B is the wisest place to spend money.
I think the one FA I really would like to go after is Micchael Cuddyer. I’m assuming he’ll be more affordable than Ramirez, and he could fit in any number of positions as a potential upgrade.
Cuddyer would be a very nice guy to get
as he could potentially be what we hoped Wigginton would be. Don’t want him at 2b, but he’d be ok at 3b and 1b on the days Helton gets a day off.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
the next Furcal or something?
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 1, 2011 9:30 AM MDT up reply actions
furcal's always been reasonably productive
his problem has been health
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in contract years, sure ;-)
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 1, 2011 9:34 AM MDT up reply actions
05 with the braves was his best year by WAR, yes
but he put up 15.5 WAR with the dodgers
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yeah he was generally good, and it's just casual fan perception
he just seems to be a contract year player.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 1, 2011 9:42 AM MDT up reply actions
hmmm
have to look at him more.
wonder what he’ll cost.
gee great
per muzia, we’ve cleared about $20 mill for next year.
can we get johnson for say $15 mill??
he wouldn't cost that much
not in his first dabble with free agency
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his stats are a little erratic
to say the least… lol
but he’s due for an up year in 2012.
hopefully a coors fueled up year
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ME LIKEY THIS
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$3-4 million*
obviously if we could sign ellis for the cost of a gallon of gas that would probably be the bettter scenario, but i think the players association would probably take issue with that.
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Grant Brisbee says the Rockies took on more risk than people are saying
http://mlb.sbnation.com/2011/8/1/2308651/ubaldo-jimenez-trade-colorado-rockies-analysis
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though Grant Brisbee is a curious person to make that claim
considering what team he writes for, and how they’ve discovered their success…
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Best part of Grant's take
“Troy F. Tulowitzki”
Yeah baby. You know you’ve made it when you get the F as your middle initial from Grant. I giggled and did a tiny little fistpumpz
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Who dd his team give up to acquire an aging outfielder again?
FFFFFFFFFFF.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Aug 1, 2011 8:48 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
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Which is why I would have much preferred a bat.
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DOD confirmed my belief when explaining the trade
He would have loved a bat, but the NL West is about pitching, and our rotation still lags the Giants.
I suppose the counter-argument is that more offense at Coors would have improved our home record.
I am inclined to give DOD the benefit of the doubt for 2012, but I wonder how much slack he’ll have beyond that.
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It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
RMN, no mention of
Ubaldo thowing the only No-Hitter in team history? Can’t leave that out! :) of the legend of Ubaldo 2010
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Or the less glamorous:
6th in the NL in innings pitched in 2009, 7th in 2010. Even as a pup in 2008, he was Top 20.
Nobody sadder to see him go than the bullpen.
by Northsider1964 on Aug 1, 2011 8:46 AM MDT up reply actions
listening between the lines of DOD
yesterday, this is part of the reason he’s gone.
worry about too many innings at too young an age.
Eh, maybe
But he was virtually injury-free until he took a winter off, ostensibly to save wear-and-tear on his arm.
by Northsider1964 on Aug 1, 2011 9:03 AM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, I'm wondering how much
people will point to the reduced workload as an “issue” as to why he struggled out of the gate, compared with how much it benefited him long term. Time will tell I guess.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 1, 2011 9:05 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm not saying this was his problem in 2011
Just saying that you can’t really outguess injuries. Some guys get worked like a rented mule and throw forever. Others get pampered and don’t last nearly as long. My guess is that Ubaldo will be a mid-to-upper 90s guy well into his 30s. Whether he fully harnesses that ability or not, who knows?
by Northsider1964 on Aug 1, 2011 9:23 AM MDT up reply actions
I don't know if it was either
But he’s pointed towards that being part of the reason himself. Tough to tell what will happen but it’s hard to imagine someone taking time off from throwing that hard as being a bad thing, at least long term.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 1, 2011 9:28 AM MDT up reply actions
I guess only time will tell. I don't think he's injured, though.
Ubaldo is one of the only players who I hope has a 0.00 ERA for the rest of his career (games against the Rockies excepted) and who makes us look utterly foolish for trading him. I love that dude.
I don't even make that exception
Unless it’s the second game he’s pitching against the Rockies in the World Series. Then I’ll take the win.
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i didn't say it
i just heard it….
i thought DOD was rather harsh, but…..
our stars haven’t performed??
hmmm – tulo – he’s joking right??
cargo – down a bit, but still pretty fine.
ubaldo – ok, down a lot.
3b, 2b – non superstar positions – fell into a freaking black hole.
I agree with DOD
all three of our stars did not perform this season.
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Out of curiosity
How much WAR were you expecting from Tulo? He’s on pace for a little over a 7.0 fWAR season as we speak.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 1, 2011 10:22 AM MDT up reply actions
and I think many people on here would agree he's been quite a disappointment this season.
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in individual spots, yes
however he’s still hitting .289/.356/.516/.375, should end up with 30 HR and double digits in steals and plays elite defense. really in every month that isn’t may he’s been very, very good
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lets just use our 2012 money for something good and not another wigginton
no, he'll end up with exactly 35 home runs
my simple projection system said so 5 months ago.
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Relying on PR opinions to back up your theory might not be..... the best choice
to much emotion not enough WAR analysis
Time for some of this Rockies: "One of the beautiful things about baseball is that every once in a while you come into a situation where you want to, and where you have to, reach down and prove something." Nolan Ryan
I agree that he's been disappointing (although only a little)
I think he’s an 8.0 + fWAR player (and he still can get there. If you think he’s been quite disappointing, I’m curious as to how high you think that number should be.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 1, 2011 10:32 AM MDT up reply actions
Non-WAR speaking, I think he's been disappointing.
He’s still fly ball happy, his LD rate is still lower than I like, and his IFFB% is about to increase again. It took a magnificently painful leap last year, and continues to increase while his HR/FB% has regressed.
I’m not a fan of his newfound style of hitting, and I’ve made that point clear. He may have improved his K% and BB% this year, but I think he’s still not as good of a hitter as he can be since his approach changed last summer after his wrist injury.
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Well he isn't Albert Pujols
but he does have a .375 wOBA on the road this year, if anyone other than Tulo on this team had a .375 road wOBA you would do backflips
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I'm not looking at his cumulative numbers
He’s a damn good hitter.
But the flaws in his game just so happen to be my pet peeves with baseball players, and they appear to be becoming more extreme.
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Fair enough but wouldn't you say Tulo for you is a lot like democracy?
Horrible except there isn’t anything better?
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I wouldn't say he's horrible, he's pretty great most of the time
But he’s also an incredibly predictable hitter, and not always in a good way.
I may drop dead if I ever see him hit a walkoff HR out of sheer surprise.
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A walkoff gapper would be more surprising.
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ask and ye shall receive
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against the gints, no less
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lets just use our 2012 money for something good and not another wigginton
sigh
so many great moments in 2010.. and so few this year
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goose dumps?
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His IFFB% is about to increase again. It took a magnificently painful leap last year, and continues to increase while his HR/FB% has regressed.
Let’s be fair here. Last year Tulo’s IFFB% was 16.5%, this year it’s 16.7%, so it’s basically the same. Also, how do you know it’s about to increase again?
I think he’s still not as good of a hitter as he can be since his approach changed last summer after his wrist injury.
Since coming back from his wrist injury he has a .930 OPS. So do you think he’s a 1.000 OPS guy at the plate?
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 1, 2011 10:57 AM MDT up reply actions
The last thing I am doing today is getting into a Tulo War with you, RIRF.
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/Sets alarm for 11 pm
This year sucks.
by prettyinpurple on Aug 1, 2011 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'll pop the popcorn
can you bring the sodas?
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by Junction Rox on Aug 1, 2011 11:05 AM MDT up reply actions
PiP, didn't you ever hear "just say no"!?!?!?!?!
I’m very disappointed in you….
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by Junction Rox on Aug 1, 2011 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions
/facepalm
No, I do not have a Coke addiction, contrary to Maria’s claims last year.
This year sucks.
by prettyinpurple on Aug 1, 2011 11:24 AM MDT up reply actions
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Let me clarify:
There’s plenty of time this offseason for this debate, once he’s gone through his “September HR Barrage” once again.
I seriously doubt we’ll change each other’s opinion about Tulo the Player, though.
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I seriously doubt we’ll change each other’s opinion about Tulo thePlayerPerson, though.
I’m still holding out hope that we can find some middle ground on the player.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 1, 2011 11:10 AM MDT up reply actions
We'll see this offseason
I sense a Kennedy/Nixon Debate incoming.
Thankfully, it’s televised and I’ll win because I’m so handsome.
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/snort
Ha, Matt/Matt
This year sucks.
by prettyinpurple on Aug 1, 2011 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions
That is if we can see you
over the podium.
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i can't speak for either of you guys, but
i’d prefer a lower OPS, higher AVG hitting tulo who strikes out 16% and doesn’t hit towering IFFBs like it’s why he got that extension and GIDP like it’s the other reason he got the extension
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that's because
He’s been a disappointment at the plate when the game was on the line in multiple instances this season. How many times has he taken the last at bat with a chance to tie or win the game?
He’s one of the best in the game, there’s no question about that. I’d take him over anybody else including the great Albert Pujols if I was going to start a team. But I understand the frustration.
Stats don’t always tell the whole story.
He still does have holes in his game that he can fix including the late game hitting
but to say a 7 WAR season which would be the best in his career is a disappoint is a bit much
I don't agree with
him being a disappointment. I’m just stating my perceived reason as to why people think he has been a disappointment.
He’s a great player. I’m glad he is here to stay. No better guy to have lead the franchise for the next decade.
I actually don't agree with this
If someone was expecting Tulo to be a 9 or 10 WAR player, then a 7 WAR season (with a decent shot to still get to 8) could be seen as a disappointment.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 1, 2011 11:13 AM MDT up reply actions
It wouldn't have been that big of a jump actually
Tulo had been playing like an 8.5WAR player from June of 2009 when he chnaged his batting stance through the end of the 2010 season. It was even over a decent sample size too (224 games). Problem is that he only had his new stance for 102 games in 2009 (changed stance mid season) and 122 games in 2010 (wrist fracture) – So his year ending totals for those two seasons don’t look nearly as impressive as his consistently play has actually been.
I didn’t expect a jump from that production (which is why I expected Tulo to be an 8.0+ WAR player this year) but if someone like Muzia looked at his approach at the plate and said “I think he can make changes to it and become an even better hitter by hitting more LD’s and less IFFB’s”, then I think they could justify an expectation of a 9 to 10 WAR season from Tulo.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 1, 2011 12:00 PM MDT up reply actions
It was a fair assessment.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 1, 2011 9:10 AM MDT up reply actions
I agree
Cargo has been great on the field, but has not shown patience at the plate.
Tulo has the perspective that he needs to hit the ball out of the park at every at bat instead of just getting solid wood on the ball.
Ubaldo had been Ubaldo light.
The only nice surprise is Helton’s production. I hope he can keep it up for 1 or 2 more years.
A Ty WIggington Home Run is a Rockies Death Sentence.
cargo's actually got the best K and BB rates of his career
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
lets just use our 2012 money for something good and not another wigginton
the same may 2011 he posted a 10.8 BB% and 15.0K%?
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
lets just use our 2012 money for something good and not another wigginton
I'm not questioning you
But where are you getting these stats from just so I can see for myself?
A Ty WIggington Home Run is a Rockies Death Sentence.
http://www.fangraphs.com/statsplits.aspx?playerid=7287&position=OF&season=2011
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
lets just use our 2012 money for something good and not another wigginton
That's for the whole year
I’m looking for May specifically since I remember him swinging at any slider that was down by the plate purely based on the eye test.
A Ty WIggington Home Run is a Rockies Death Sentence.
Sorry
I looked again, and I see what you are looking at.
A Ty WIggington Home Run is a Rockies Death Sentence.
I saw it.
I will replace May with June in my argument.
A Ty WIggington Home Run is a Rockies Death Sentence.
ah, but in june his BABIP was over .400
more than making up for the K%
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
lets just use our 2012 money for something good and not another wigginton
I concede to you
It just feels like he hasn’t been as productive since his OPS is slightly down from last year, and the wrist thing hasn’t helped.
I have been educated.
A Ty WIggington Home Run is a Rockies Death Sentence.
The big culprit was his April was so terrible
Every other month he has OPS’d over 900
Part of that may be because we remember Cargo's second half production from last season more
During the Rockies last 81 games of 2010, Cargo had a 1.129 OPS
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 1, 2011 10:25 AM MDT up reply actions
Cargo will be fine
just every other website out there has an analysis of him that reads to the effect of ‘Since CarGo doesn’t walk in 14% of his plate appearances, he’s destined to be a Coors product reliant on high babips to be decent’
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though his crappy road numbers are concerning...
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
His recurring wrist injury is concerning.
He had a simliar problem last year, and torques the snot out of it every time he swings the bat.
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daaaaamn
he gonna go all Rickie Weeks on us
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
also, I really need to watch more games
too poor for that MLB extra innings isht this year. I’ve seen like 4 games on tv. #poser
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Is it the same injury as last year?
Didn’t he have a tendon problem last year? This year its just a painful bone bruise from running into a wall right?
I actually am not 100% sure on either of these and my medical knowledge is lacking so please correct me if I am wrong.
the wrist bone's connected to the arm bone
the arm bone’s connected to the red stuff
the red stuff’s connected to the wristwatch.
what’s so confusing here?
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I thought they finally decided it was a tendon problem, not a bone problem.
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every good rockie has started his career with bad H/R splits that have improved over time
matt holliday in particular now hits in a stadium that is death to right-handed power, yet puts up as good of numbers as ever. so yes, it’s worrisome, but overly so.
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
lets just use our 2012 money for something good and not another wigginton
tulo??
he’s always been streaky, he’s always been a second half player.
he’s well on track to putting up his best numbers ever.
his defense has been stellar as always – maybe his best year??
We haven't seen the best of either of them yet.
Tulo breaks late. His defense has never been in question, but his bat has either been red hot or ice cold, and that just hasn’t flown with the rest of the lineup being consistently unimpressive.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 1, 2011 9:18 AM MDT up reply actions
I sure hope CarGo's wrist doesn't become
a lingering issue :(
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he is what he is
he’s pretty well established by now.
kind of silly to expect him to change.
oh, and what he is – the best SS in baseball – and he’s young and ours for a long time….
I won't disagree with your ultimate thesis
But he was nowhere to be found in a May when the team REALLY needed someone to step up and step up strong.
I don’t mean for this to be a complete indictment of Troy Tulowitzki, because that just isn’t fair, but he was part of a team-wide problem, at least during May.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 1, 2011 9:30 AM MDT up reply actions
Kind of put it this way...
A cold Tulo really highlights the team’s shortcomings.
Filling up your senses like a night in the forest since 1992.
by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 1, 2011 9:31 AM MDT up reply actions
maybe it's for the best then
rather than all of us living under this illusion of what the team can be based off of the best stretches of Fowler, Stewart, and whoever else’s career.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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so what you and DOD want
is lou gehrig playing gold glove shortstop..
tulo grinds on himself plenty
he doesn’t need any help from tracy or DOD.
too bad honus wagner died in 1955
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lets just use our 2012 money for something good and not another wigginton
who gives ponies to fans
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 1, 2011 9:42 AM MDT up reply actions
why would you trap a pony
what did it do to you
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
lets just use our 2012 money for something good and not another wigginton
yeah it was a joe
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lets just use our 2012 money for something good and not another wigginton
I'm not sure this is a fair criticism
Tulo had a .196 BABIP during May despite a 15% LD rate vs. a 12.8% IFFB rate. Short of going on another HR binge, I’m not sure what else he coul dh have done.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 1, 2011 10:28 AM MDT up reply actions
coul dh have could have
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 1, 2011 10:28 AM MDT up reply actions
It's a completely fair criticism
It’s not a long-sighted criticism, but it’s fair.
That’s like saying it’s not fair to praise Cargo because his BABIP took a huge jump in May (I assume, I haven’t had another chance to check the splits).
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 1, 2011 11:47 AM MDT up reply actions
thats the funny thing about cargo's season and why i was so optimistic about us turning it around in June
his babip actually went down in may but his OPS increased dramatically from his dismal april.
And with Tulo’s luck issues as RIRF points out, I was extremely bullish on the Rockies turning it around the first several weeks of June
Oh, I had no doubt that he'd turn it around
but I’m with Muzia on not being a fan of the 5% dropoff in LD% over the past 2 years.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 1, 2011 11:56 AM MDT up reply actions
I know this is going to sound counterintuitive
(So please don’t laugh at the rest of this sentence), but I actually think Tulo is a better hitter when his IFFB% is up and his LD% is down.
To justify this, lets look at the last 5 months where Tulo has had a higher IFFB% than LD rate
July, 2011:
LD% = 16.4%
IFFB% = 19.4%
OPS = 1.019
April, 2011:
LD% = 14.1%
IFFB% = 18.9%
OPS = 1.002
September, 2010:
LD% = 7.8%
IFFB% = 20.8%
OPS = 1.120
June, 2010:
LD% = 16.7%
IFFB% = 19.0%
OPS = .884
May, 2010:
LD% = 17.7%
IFFB% = 18.0%
OPS = .961
Average numbers during these 5 months:
LD% = 14.3%
IFFB% = 19.3%
OPS = 1.004
I think we should just embrace it, because Tulo seems to be able to consistently get outstanding production from bad peripherals no matter how much the laws of Sabermetrics say he shouldn’t.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 1, 2011 1:02 PM MDT up reply actions
before embracing anything like this, I'd like an explanation that makes sense.
I get why Matt Cain consistently beats his FIP and x-FIP while Jason Hammel consistently underperforms with his. Cain’s FB command is just that good that he can consistently induce weak contact. Hammel’s is inconsistent enough that he leaves more than his share of mistake pitches in the middle of the zone.
In this case, I have to figure out why it would be so before I could just accept it.
I think I have the answer actually
If you compare Tulo’s at bats on TV (especially when he’s on a hot streak) to the fangraph’s game logs – you began to notice that Tulo tends to hit two types of line drives. One is the standard LD that these splits are always going to pick up because there’s nothing else it could possibly be – Problem is, these usually only go for singles. The other is that borderline LD/FB that will often be placed into the latter category despite being hit much harder than your standard line drive and going for either an XBH or home run.
I think that when Tulo really gets locked in he hits more of these line drives but his LD% goes down because some of them are classified as fly balls despite being absolutely crushed. At the same time, Tulo’s IFFB% goes up because when Tulo juuuussst misses on one of these, which he does a lot when he’s hitting them often, he pops it up.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 1, 2011 1:31 PM MDT up reply actions
So he has better overall numbers when he wastes more at bats.
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you're gonna need to back that up with some kind of evidence before I'll believe that fliners are all called fly balls.
Else I’m gonna start saying that any of my favorite players with a low LD% are all hitting awesome fliners.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 1, 2011 4:04 PM MDT up reply actions
Great. Now you're going to make him rewatch every single Tulo at bat
from the past three years just to identify what type of liner it was.
You just ruined RIRF’s winter.
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boy it's gonna be painful to rewatch the 2009 NLDS ones...
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He won't have to
there weren’t any line drives
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it'll be cold, he'll have to wear pants
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 1, 2011 5:19 PM MDT up reply actions
...or enhanced significantly
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I certianly hope you don't think I'm trying to prove that all fliners are called fly balls
My point is that it’s important to remember how we classify batted balls. We separate them into buckets and say all Line Drives = Good and all Fly Balls = bad. The reality is obviously much more complicated.
At some point, one has to ask the question “when does a line drive become a fly ball and vise versa?”. This is especially true when you run into a player like Tulo who’s numbers seem to consistently get better in months where his peripherals go bad.
When evaluating guys who hit an unusually large number of borderline line drives/fly balls, all you need is a 50/50 split to to lower a guys LD% by several percentage points despite hitting several “fly balls” hard. This becomes even more important when you consider that hard hit “fly balls” often go for XBH or home runs.
Take a look at statcorner’s numbers here. Not only do they say Tulo hits more LD’s than fangraphs, but they also say he hits MUCH fewer IFFB’s. That exact point where you say a line drive becomes a fly and a fly ball becomes a line drive is HUGE and the way fangraphs breaks it, doesn’t tell a story that makes sense with Tulo. If you, or somebody else here has another explaination as to why Tulo’s numbers get better in months where fangraphs say his LD% goes down and his IFFB% goes up, I’d love to hear it.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 1, 2011 7:27 PM MDT up reply actions
Because he swings for the fences and runs into HR
but has many, many more empty at bats? Doesn’t really seem like a mystery to me
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This is incorrect
Tulo’s OBP in the 5 months I mentioned above is .389 – About 30 points higher than his career line. So it’s not as if he’s getting this massive boost in SLG% and sacrificing OBP because of it as you seem to be claiming.
The reality is that in the last 5 months where fangraphs claim Tulo has a higher IFFB% than LD%, BOTH his his average SLG% AND OBP go up.
You can claim that if feels like he has many, many more empty at bats as long as you’d like but that doesn’t make your argument anymore right.
At some point, (especially when both statcorner and BBR say that Tulo’s peripherals are not that bad) you have to consider the possibility that fangraph’s batted ball stats are not painting an accurate picture when it comes to Tulo.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 2, 2011 9:12 AM MDT up reply actions
I don't even know where to begin with this, so I won't.
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Problem for me is that sometimes BABIP is earned, and sometimes it's just crazy luck
Since Tulo had his lowest IFFB% of any month in May and didn’t see a major swing in his LD%, it’s hard for me to see what else he could have done short of hit more HR’s.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 1, 2011 12:18 PM MDT up reply actions
Use a slightly less pronounced uppercut and hit less popups?
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HRs dont count toward BABIP
they’re not considered in play at any point
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lets just use our 2012 money for something good and not another wigginton
tell Jose Canseco.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 1, 2011 3:21 PM MDT up reply actions
Exactly
That’s the only way he could have taken the luck factor out of it. All of Tulo’s luck in may was bad.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 1, 2011 7:29 PM MDT up reply actions
What, isn't that in there?
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 1, 2011 9:10 AM MDT up reply actions
I didn't see it. I read it three times.
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Guess I didn't mention it then
Assumed you had it covered.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 1, 2011 9:17 AM MDT up reply actions
Huh? Sorry if I offended.
I just thought it was kind of a big deal at the time(meaning the no-no)
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Eh, the nono was exciting at the time (livened up a horribly boring date)
and I’m glad he threw it, but for some reason it didn’t ignite the boyish wonder in me or whatever. It wasn’t as bad as Liriano or Jackson’s NoNo, but I’d just as soon root for his Memorial Day Massacre of the Giants.
That all said, you HAVE made it a point to mention the nono whenever anybody doesn’t ;-)
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 1, 2011 9:25 AM MDT up reply actions
Well if you consider me mentioning it a few times in response as every time then okay.
Of course I’m not a staff writer so I doubt as many people read my comments as much as they read your work.
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please, nobody reads my work
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 1, 2011 9:35 AM MDT up reply actions
Right.
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ehhhhh he has a point here.
;)
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lighten up
I even put the damn winky face so we could all have fun together.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 1, 2011 9:38 AM MDT up reply actions
seriously, who has ever winked while upset?
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I ain't even mad.
Seriously. My “right” was more like a “riiiiiiight” with an eyeroll. You couldn’t see that?
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 1, 2011 9:41 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm with AMart re: Holliday
I’m not even saying he was greedy or anything. I just never really liked him unless he was hitting dingerz. Wasn’t at all broken up about his trade, even before Cargo turned into a star. I never really thought about it until now though.
Wait, what's his real name? We should make a joke out of that.
Guy was an absolute beast. I didn't like the trade then.
If he were still playing in Coors, he’d put up incredible numbers.
I’m glad he turned into CarGo/Street for us though.
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 1, 2011 9:44 AM MDT up reply actions
i love holliday
he lived for the big hit
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Yes, yes he did.
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4th in WPA/LI since 05
8th in straight WPA, 3rd in +WPA, .380 career wOBA w/RISP, .399 career wOBA in high leverage situations…
/sigh
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I liked Holliday fine
but that was one where I saw the writing on the wall. So getting a big haul as a tradeoff for one year of services was fine with me.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 1, 2011 9:50 AM MDT up reply actions
Loved Holliday
He was clutch when we needed him. Still root for him except for when he is playing the Rox.
Enough of this mediocrity...win the NL West title!
I assume all you nerds have seen this already
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oh, we need an OT
right
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 1, 2011 9:45 AM MDT up reply actions
so much win
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lets just use our 2012 money for something good and not another wigginton
Actually I don't know anything about maths
I just thought it looked pretty and clever. Like Zooey Deschanel.
*Sigh* Zooey.....
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Time for some of this Rockies: "One of the beautiful things about baseball is that every once in a while you come into a situation where you want to, and where you have to, reach down and prove something." Nolan Ryan
I'm going to go check your freezer for human heads.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 1, 2011 9:53 AM MDT up reply actions
Love that movie
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during college that was kind of our "come back from the bars and pop in a movie" movie
usually passed out sometime during it though.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 1, 2011 10:01 AM MDT up reply actions
Did that this last weekend
unfortunately my pass out time has been getting earlier and earlier
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Thankfully, we'll get to see Alex White this year.
So in this case, promise of a new tomorrow is pretty close to accurate.
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Did it come across that I like the trade?
Now that I re-read it I am not sure.
Time for some of this Rockies: "One of the beautiful things about baseball is that every once in a while you come into a situation where you want to, and where you have to, reach down and prove something." Nolan Ryan
it can certainly be interpreted that way
and hey, at least we have hope for the future, unlike say, the cubs or astros
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Poor Cubs
Stupid less than intelligent Astros
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I read it that you don't like minor leaguers.
Their dang baby faces promising this and promising that and never coming to visit. Get off my lawn you kids!
O'dowd said that we could see him in September in everything goes right
But he still wont be officially a Rockie for another two weeks.
When does the AA season end? Will Pom be able to get any time in Tulsa after Aug 15th?
so is Renck on waiver wire watch??
come on dude, it’s been quiet for , hmmm, 20 hrs….
that usually doesn't happen right away.
Teams will start pushing players through in a couple of days.
I will admit
that I got a bit choked up when I found out Ubaldo had been traded. However, I applaud Dan O’Dowd for finally selling high on a guy when he had the chance, rather than waiting around for them to fall off the map completely (see Hawpe, Brad and Atkins, Garret)
I hope Ubaldo comes back to Ace form and leads the Indians to the playoffs. I also hope White and Pomeranz become impact guys quickly. But the fact of the matter is that Ubaldo wasn’t Ubaldo anymore. Dan saw an opportunity to move Ubaldo in a trade deadline situation with basically no impact starting pitching and he took it.
The thing that sucks the most in this whole deal is that Jimenez was our ace and he wanted to be here. There wasn’t going to be any bolting for $$$$ at the end of his contract. It’s hard getting quality arms to WANT to be here.
I believe that Jimenez’ make up was also part of the driver in this deal. Ubaldo might be the nicest guy on the planet. But we don’t need the nicest guy on the planet. The Rockies needed him to be a fire breathing SOB. No thinking, just firing bullets at 98MPH that breaks 8" laterally, shattering the bats of the power hitters creating weak ground outs to Troy Tulowitzki; all while laughing in the face of tossing a no hitter.
Unfortunately, Ubaldo isn’t that guy. He’s got wicked stuff. Probably the best stuff in the game when he is right. I’m gonna go ahead and say it:
If Ubaldo had Tulo’s attitude, he’d be the best in the game and still be trotting out in the sleeveless black shirts that say Colorado every 5th day.
The best part about Ubaldo from here on out it that I can be happy either way
If he goes out and dominates again, I can be happy for him personally and happy that he gives those AL East teams something to think about for the next three Octobers.
If he falls apart, we win this trade big time – And I will be thrilled about that.
In that sense, this trade is a win/win.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 1, 2011 10:40 AM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
It's a loss if Pomeranz and White don't thrive in the majors.
Some days, I feel like I’ve accidentally entered the Church of Tulowitzki on Baseball Easter.
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I'd call that a wash where everybody loses
That’s the worst case scenario because Cleveland gets nothing with Jimenez falling apart and we get nothing out of the deal.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 1, 2011 11:14 AM MDT up reply actions
He will succeed again if
Someone can figure out how to make him finish his delivery. I saw video yesterday of his 2010 vs 2011 delivery and it’s not even close. His extension to the plate is far greater in 2010. It makes his 2011 version look like he is throwing batting practice. It’s like there is no effort there. I don’t know why it’s been allowed to go on this long.
His velocity will return if he goes back to his 2010 delivery. This much I promise you. Hopefully someone in Cleveland will get him righted.
I was watching a movie clip with Pomeranz,
and he says “he’ has a totally different mentality” on the mound, has that killer instinct. I liked that.
This year sucks.
by prettyinpurple on Aug 1, 2011 11:02 AM MDT up reply actions
O'Dowd commented yesterday
about White’s competitiveness and toughness (radio interview with Jack and Jerry at the start of the game). He mentioned they were looking for guys like that, because this team needed to add toughness…
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
In line for seats at the Grand Junction Rockies 2012 home opener
by Junction Rox on Aug 1, 2011 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions
Wait, so
DOD thinks Ubaldo was not tough enough and that’s why they traded him? Is that what this is all about?
"I think I speak for everyone in here when I say: It''s playoffs or bust"- Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
More like we're afraid Ubaldo's arm is going to fall off pitching at Coors
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yes and no
I personally believe that it was a factor, but I’m just a nobody. I did stay at a holiday inn express last night though.
Maybe that the Rockies as a whole team are not mentally tough.
This year sucks.
by prettyinpurple on Aug 1, 2011 11:20 AM MDT up reply actions
makes sense if you don't think about it ;)
seriously though, I don’t really see Jim Tracy as being mentally tough. If the club takes on his personality then no, they aren’t mentally tough. I’m just blabbing randomness now though
I don't think that's what it's ALL about
But it may have been a small part of the equation
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 1, 2011 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions
He didn't single out Ubaldo
and he’s made the statement about getting tougher mentally before. But it could have been a factor, sure…
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Junction Rox on Aug 1, 2011 11:25 AM MDT up reply actions
No I didn't mean to suggest he singled out Ubaldo
I just think that’s an odd statement. I mean how do you define toughness when it comes to baseball?
"I think I speak for everyone in here when I say: It''s playoffs or bust"- Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
Same way you define it in every other aspect of life
Not failing about under pressure or when things are not going right, overcoming adversity, etc.
Some days, I feel like I’ve accidentally entered the Church of Tulowitzki on Baseball Easter.
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after using Bowflex?
oh…that’s just the add.
Filling up your senses like a night in the forest since 1992.
by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 1, 2011 11:34 AM MDT up reply actions
yeah, i would definitely never tell him in person how overrated he is as a player
add that today he’s got that old man ferocity… dude is scary.
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
lets just use our 2012 money for something good and not another wigginton
Not allowing oneself to drop off a cliff in the middle of April,
winning on Sunday’s, not making excuses that we’re gonna go on a run, etc.
This year sucks.
by prettyinpurple on Aug 1, 2011 11:32 AM MDT up reply actions
Aberle isn't mentally tough, it seems.
Some days, I feel like I’ve accidentally entered the Church of Tulowitzki on Baseball Easter.
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is aberle our stewart?
did you guys have a trade that just fell through right before the deadline?
Beyond the Boxscore was a bit interested
but they’re big Tampa Bay fans so they’re kind of sticklers about having to win every trade they make.
RG don't even get me started about their crap
about Aberle’s poor writing on the road. It was such drivel.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
the guy is quality regardless
find me one other writer who writes as well on the road, away from family and the comforts of home?
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Andrew Fisher is essentially the gold standard here
Some days, I feel like I’ve accidentally entered the Church of Tulowitzki on Baseball Easter.
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never heard of him
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
You think that stuff was bad?
You should have read some of what Pinstripe Alley was saying about him.
I heard he's still pouting
because of the big contracts A-Mart and ATF got in the offseason, and that he wasn’t really ready for ST, because he didn’t write anything all winter
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Junction Rox on Aug 1, 2011 11:52 AM MDT up reply actions
Yeah
Plus his trip to Peru last season really threw him off.
This year sucks.
by prettyinpurple on Aug 1, 2011 11:54 AM MDT up reply actions
That and 'he couldn't handle the spotlight NY puts on its bloggers."
“It’s so much easier blogging for a small market team. He’d choke under pressure.”
Yeah, but despite this they said they really wanted him.
Not to mention he really hit his peak last spring with Purple Row Academy
and hasn’t done anything near that quality since
Some days, I feel like I’ve accidentally entered the Church of Tulowitzki on Baseball Easter.
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/character assassinated
The writer formerly known as Jabberwocky
READ and LEARN about the business of baseball at Purple Row Academy
Eschew Obfuscation!
None of the other blogs were willing to give up the prospects we wanted.
A Ty WIggington Home Run is a Rockies Death Sentence.
I tried to move him last year for Eric Stephen
at the height of Aberle’s rockpiling.
Filling up your senses like a night in the forest since 1992.
by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 1, 2011 11:39 AM MDT up reply actions
Im worried about Eric Stephens involvement with Rihanna ..
May have affected his game.
by Charlie77 on Aug 1, 2011 1:24 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Here's the thing.
They could all be doing they’re level best to maintain mental toughness, but sometimes adversity and some bad luck as well as maybe not being as good at baseball as they could be. I don’t think that makes them mentally or emotionally not tough.
I mean are they sitting around the clubhouse crying? I doubt it.
"I think I speak for everyone in here when I say: It''s playoffs or bust"- Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
Saying they want a tough clubhouse, and then trading Ubaldo
Does most definitely not imply Ubaldo was not tough. Just that the club required toughness back in the products of the deal.
I dunno. Something about it
is just rubbing me the wrong way.
"I think I speak for everyone in here when I say: It''s playoffs or bust"- Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
True,
but I think a mentally tough team finds a way to work around adversity. I also think they would be able to go on a longer winning streak than 4.
But I don’t know: maybe it’s Jim Tracy’s fault.
This year sucks.
by prettyinpurple on Aug 1, 2011 11:39 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
ur right
O’DOWD MUSTVE BEEN HIGH WHEN HE MADE THIS TRADE. #FIRED
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
by Resolution on Aug 1, 2011 12:35 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
Of course that's not what this is "all about".
There are MANY factors, cat.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Aug 1, 2011 1:46 PM MDT up reply actions
No. I can't believe it. Really?! That's unbelievable.
And still that seems to be the main thing DOD was mentioning was the toughness in the locker room.
"I think I speak for everyone in here when I say: It''s playoffs or bust"- Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
Well, if we move other players
then I’ll be more inclined to agree.
"I think I speak for everyone in here when I say: It''s playoffs or bust"- Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
I don't see any way we don't move other players between now and next year.
Whether it’s waiver-wire deals, off-season deals, nontenders, etc.
I meant during this waiver perior specifically
Obvously, we’ll move people in the offseason.
The team isn’t saying they are waving the white flag so we’ll see.
"I think I speak for everyone in here when I say: It''s playoffs or bust"- Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
I'm such a huge fan of this kid. Always have been.
Some days, I feel like I’ve accidentally entered the Church of Tulowitzki on Baseball Easter.
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I really like this post.
I’m not sure that last sentence is totally correct, but I love the wording.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Aug 1, 2011 1:42 PM MDT up reply actions
Point: I no longer want to see any of our "good" starting pitching depth pitch a single inning at CO Springs.
That place hinders development so much.
If the Sky Sox or the Rox ownership are not going to install a humidor, our AAA affilliation needs to be moved elsewhere.
FFFFFFFFFFF.
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Aug 1, 2011 10:04 AM MDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
I think it's a lot worse for hitters than it is for pitchers.
I also wish people would get off this idea that AAA is still development. It’s very rare that’s the case. I usually ignore Sky Sox box scores as far as watching for progress from the farm.
I agree with what you were writing the other day
AAA is just for extended ML bench and not much more. Question is will we see top prospects skip AAA from here going forward? And then do we need to look at AA for next year’s potential?
Time for some of this Rockies: "One of the beautiful things about baseball is that every once in a while you come into a situation where you want to, and where you have to, reach down and prove something." Nolan Ryan
I usually do.
The team skipped Nicasio, Francis, Tulo, had we traded Iannetta (who also didn’t spend much AAA time) it would have skipped Rosario. Chacin spent only a short time at AAA, as did Brothers. I think as soon as a top prospect reaches AA, their next stop might be the MLB. Arenado and Bettis will fall into this category next season. Pomeranz is in it right now.
wheeler
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
lets just use our 2012 money for something good and not another wigginton
So the Rockies might have some prospects closer to the majors than it might appear
Time for some of this Rockies: "One of the beautiful things about baseball is that every once in a while you come into a situation where you want to, and where you have to, reach down and prove something." Nolan Ryan
yes we do, I forgot to include Edwar Cabrera among those to watch next season.
It matters how well a player does at Tulsa, the ones who skip show that they can dominate the level, so somebody like Friedrich or Hector Gomez aren’t going to go this route. Rosario I think qualifies in the team’s mind more for his 2010 than his 2011, which I’m guessing they’re chalking up to injury recovery.
Chacin skipped AAA on his first callup with the Rockies didnt he?
It was when he was sent back down, he was sent to AAA
Ianneta had a .393 road wOBA in his first full year as a 25 year old
Garret Atkins had a .400 road wOBA as a 26 year old 3B are they just not that good? or is there something about playing here that messes with certain player’s ability to hit baseballs after playing here for a little while?
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
btw
and I encourage everyone to do this. Look at Matt Holliday’s road numbers when in Colorado, and look at his road numbers now with the Cardinals. The hangover effect is very real and we need to address it somehow….
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I have been screeching abou that for years
I wonder if it just because of the typr of hitter a player is. Larry Walker and Jeff Cirrillo both posted horrible road numbers in their first years here
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
part of me lately has been thinking
we need strong contact hitters to be able to adjust a bit more adequately. a lot of our young core has meh contact rates – only to be exploited by the goofyness that is playing in CO…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Juan Pierre had some of the same issues when he was here
seems like Helton did too in his first year here, those two have ecellent contact skills, but I see your point
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
its really tough to gauge
because find me a young hitter that doesn’t have some contact issues their first few years in the bigs?
When do growing pains become something different…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
brett gardner
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
lets just use our 2012 money for something good and not another wigginton
I'm on the contact-hitter bandwagon, too.
It will play in gigantic Coors, as well as in places like Petco and AT&T. “Power” guys don’t translate to hitting for power in NL West parks.
Altar Boy in the Church of Santo Ubaldo--Anybody know of any good deals on Cleveland Indians hats?
"...buffalo chicken is a fine anti-depressant, after all." -UZ
by Yokel on Aug 1, 2011 11:09 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I mean, regardless of that
we can still use doubles on the road.
It’s just that power is usually correlated with a high k-rate which means these guys may not have the ability to adjust or adjust as quickly as others to the road differences.
Arenado, please come soon!
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Also true.
I just happen to think it’s the only approach to building a team that will work at Coors and in the NL West.
Altar Boy in the Church of Santo Ubaldo--Anybody know of any good deals on Cleveland Indians hats?
"...buffalo chicken is a fine anti-depressant, after all." -UZ
honestly, this is probably the best argument for
installing a humidor at AAA. It’s not about the development time but rather we can use AAA as a proxy for Coors.
As far as I know, despite being around for almost 20 years, we’re still in the dark about the Coors riddle.
From the big signings of Neagle and Hampton, to the bombers, to fast, slap hitters with no power, we’ve been trying to figure out what works for ever.
And I feel like only recently did we get insight into this idea that fastballs are affected moreso than breaking pitches by the altitude.
The humidor and groundball pitchers were a good start (though groundball pitchers will work anywhere), but the offense is still a riddle.
If we can have AAA better approximate Coors, we can use that to see either what type of players or what type of preparation, warm ups, or routines translate the best.
The biggest confound I see is that the road ballparks have similar dry-air problems so they don’t offer the same set of conditions the MLB club faces on the road….
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
maybe me wanting to essentially make AAA into a laboratory
means I’m too deep in this behavioral science stuff…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
is it really though?
what do we have to lose?
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I should also add
it doesn’t mean going to the extent of giving one group of players set X of warm up drills and a second group set Y.
The players are gonna play and do their thing – whether they’re high contact, low contact, whether they take extra time in the cage on the road, whatever. The point is, this information could be useful for the big league club without actually clustering players into conditions or anything. It could just bring a whole new meaning to ‘field research’
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
also, it would be far less costly
than free agent signings and FO personnel shifts, and signing bonuses and whatever…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I'm just saying, it might be a hard sell to the old-school baseball people
in the organization. You might have a difficult time with it.
oh absolutely
I imagine what I just wrote would be read as:
yo hav u guyz tried witchcraft?
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
this is where you come in to play though
at your next Sunday dinner with DOD, hype me up. I’ll let you get in on the ground floor of this revolution.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I'd have no problem with a Humidor and have been advocating for a pressurized/ humidified practice hitting enviroment too.
I’m as old school as they come when it comes to contact hitting. I think you can hit for contact and power. You don’t have to rely on power all the time.
Late fifties early sixties Mickey Mantle is my gold standard. He pulled the ball a lot at the stadium where it rewarded him to do so. He did not do it as much on the road. He used the big gaps alot when he wasn’t given pitches to pull. He also had many more infield hits than most people remember.
I also prize the magic of a Gwynn or Boggs or Carew. George Brett was one of the most versiitle bats I’ve seen. One of the best scince Clemente. The point I’m trying to make is this: the only two Rox I’ve seen come up with a balanced approach at the plate are Helton and Holiday.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
I dont think the old school people
would reject a humidor as much as my theory on studying types of players or preparation routines to see if there’s anything that translates well on the road.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I think you might be surprised on that.
Condition went thru a revolution in the seventies. Sports psycholgy ditto in the eighties. I’m just for more of an old school approach to the plate. I liked the adjustments Tulo made when his wrist was hurt. I think that big September he had after may have stunted him this year.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
Well sir
I hope you’re right and that one day I end up with a job that’s cooler than I could have ever imagined.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Part of it may be that we have to play 27 road games every year in SF, LA and Petco.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 1, 2011 11:03 AM MDT up reply actions
True I have no doubt that is part of it
But that doesn’t explain Cirillo going from a career 800+ road OPS to a .600 road OPS here at least not fully
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
yea
but their biggest impacts are on homers. hits and doubles hover around average (except Petco which I’m pretty sure inhibits home runs and adequate neurological functioning while in the batter’s box)
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
and that is to say
it seems like hits and doubles are still difficult for us to come by…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Regardless of what AAA is right now
If the Sky Sox or the Rox ownership are not going to install a humidor, our AAA affilliation needs to be moved elsewhere.
FFFFFFFFFFF.
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Aug 1, 2011 10:20 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think the Springs is great for hitters
It gives them the confidence they need to swing from the heels and still succeed. :)
by Northsider1964 on Aug 1, 2011 10:44 AM MDT up reply actions
I agree that AAA isn't really the place for development
but what about this idea of un-development?
AAA is only going to encourage bad behavior. And despite AAA’s lack of a function for prospects it can still be pretty important if we need to create room on the AA roster for guys in A+ who DO need to develop.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I think I've been the one banging this drum the most, particularly for hitters
I wonder if hitting in Colorado Springs just turns their motivation to improve off because they can hit everything hard there.
certainly
hitters can post a sexy statline from only half their games.
I think something needs to be done – not that a humidor in AAA is a panacea but I feel like there’s been something funky with our player development the past few seasons….
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
they dry out at a speed of exactly 14mph
honestly, I have no idea.
Someone who knows this stuff please step up!
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Sorry - hit Post too soon...
I always wondered why the Sky Sox’s baseballs can’t be shipped to Coors Field, rubbed up, stored in the humidor and then driven down to the Springs a couple of times per week.
They could just send them back and forth with Chris Nelson!
by Northsider1964 on Aug 1, 2011 11:20 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
lolol
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Nice.
Then next year’s commercials could be a take on the old Dunkin Donuts commercials.
“Time to take the balls down to AAA”
“You already took them to AAA”
Filling up your senses like a night in the forest since 1992.
by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 1, 2011 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions
Junior! You forgot Ooo-boo and Woobie!
And don’t forget to take 1000 baseballs with you from the humidor!
by Northsider1964 on Aug 1, 2011 11:24 AM MDT up reply actions
Then when the Sky Sox beat the Giants AAA team in dramatic fashion,
Jon Miller’s gonna be all up in our bizness.
Filling up your senses like a night in the forest since 1992.
by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 1, 2011 11:26 AM MDT up reply actions
Yes, especially
If they win on a 200-foot sac fly in the 15th inning, after not scoring for 3+ hours.
July 4, 2010 – the game that made Jon Miller whine like the fat wad of goo he truly is.
by Northsider1964 on Aug 1, 2011 11:29 AM MDT up reply actions
Jon Miller has a strong dislike for cheaters..
by Charlie77 on Aug 1, 2011 1:18 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Good lord he is the real life equivalent of Ziggy.
FFFFFFFFFFF.
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Aug 1, 2011 1:25 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm afraid it only encourages
the habit of, “I’ll swing for the next county early in the count. Then once I’m down 0-2 or 1-2, I’ll get serious about putting the ball in play.”
Which, unless your name is Todd Helton, is not exactly a recipe for success.
by Northsider1964 on Aug 1, 2011 11:01 AM MDT up reply actions
they have videogames in Europe?
daaaaaaaaaaaaaamn
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
USA USA USA!!!
k I’ll stop.
Also, it’s my video game strategy too.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
What about adding a humidor in CS and also moving the fences WAY back
Those two things combined would make it hard to hit HR’s there and would encourage our hitters to go for singles.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 1, 2011 1:10 PM MDT up reply actions
Base hits are much better than strike outs and doubles and triples are even sexier.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
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Maybe
I’m just concerned with improving our road hitting. If refining their approach to hit singles at home will help that, then sure…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I'm not saying to never hit home runs either...
I’m saying to stop trying to hit them on non apporpriate pitches and situations.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
we dont want to make it a deadball park
we’re not trying THAT hard to learn how the padres and giants do it
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
lets just use our 2012 money for something good and not another wigginton
Missing something with this argument?
I dig that AAA is not important to prospects anymore, but it still seems wildly important to out team. See, eg, send-downs like dex and stew, inevitably necessary arms like mortensen, still-in-plans faded prospects like Nelson and EY, and many bullpen guys. Those issues seem worthy of legitiamte attention.
by Teekalong on Aug 1, 2011 11:12 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm not saying it's not important.
I’m just saying that it’s role is not one about prospect development anymore. Those things your talking about I see more as MLB player development, refinement and depth than prospect development. I might not be describing the difference well, but Stewart and EY2 and Nelson are no longer really prospects, they’re more in a third class that’s sort of between.
Yeah, like Salt Lake City
oh wait…
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 1, 2011 10:10 AM MDT up reply actions
Bryan
you were my favorite character in SLC Punk.
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--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Solution? Move AAA to Tulsa, AA to other KS/OK/TX city.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Aug 1, 2011 1:15 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I don't know about you guys
But I’m extremely disappointed in the fact that more players were not moved before the deadline. Namely Stewart (trade fell through with 30 min left), CDI, Ellis, Spilly, and Giambi.
by CarloWitzki on Aug 1, 2011 10:56 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm disappointed as well.
I might be off, but I think Rockies fans would take the Ubaldo trade a little more if they saw a bit more of whatever bigger picture it is that O’Dowd’s looking at. Not making any other moves only draws more focus to that one.
I think it may be a comment on
the true talent level of the team, no? The only one in the bunch mentioned by CarloWitzki I thought would move was CDI. And I think Giambi will be moved once he’s healthy. But viewing this from the perspective of potential buyers, how do any of the other players help you win a championship?
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by Rawktober on Aug 1, 2011 12:07 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I feel pretty good about the trade itself, but
O’Dowd could better convince me that this is a trade aimed at making the team better in 2012, if he stops using roster spots on guys that won’t (or at least shouldn’t) be here in 2012.
by Northsider1964 on Aug 1, 2011 12:35 PM MDT up reply actions
Don't worry!
the trade deadline is totally fake anyway!
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I am too
I was watching the game yesterday and I was amazed that Spilly was still on this team.
If we are going to trade our number one pitcher, we should’ve dumped Wiggy, Spilly, Giambi, and a RP or two as well.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
by wolf213 on Aug 1, 2011 11:12 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
That is right where I am at too
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I cannot believe I have to watch Wiggy
For two more months. Sigh. At least I can skip that hot mess and watch the Tribe every fifth day.
this really sucks
I think hes a guy who’s value is highest at the deadline. Some team migh have overpaid to fill a position of need to make a playoff run
he could still get traded yo
a ton of deals still occur
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You mean 14 more months
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 1, 2011 1:51 PM MDT up reply actions
This is the penultimate "Dan O'Dowd" trade
The Ubaldo trade will determine if DOD is retained in the future.
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Quite frankly
He deserves the benefit of the doubt, considering how the Matt Holliday trade went down.
if nothing else
he has a pretty damn good track record with trades, so I’m not too worried about this trade despite it’s obviously great nature…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
sigh
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
it's a little ridiculous how bad our drafts have been
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
lets just use our 2012 money for something good and not another wigginton
He's used a lot of that rope up already with trades and non-trades since then.
He really will be graded by this move, I’m guessing by both the public and the ownership.
That's the point I'm making
DOD is trying to clean up after his own mess (to which he deserves credit) but this particular trade…and the circumstances of it (disappointment of the 2011 season) has a different feel altogether than the Holiday trade.
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by Jeffrey Morton on Aug 1, 2011 11:14 AM MDT up reply actions
Sorry, I think this premise is wrong
DOD can only really be judged on how the trade seems NOW. Because what happens in the future is so far beyond his control.
but you can't judge now with prospects
it’s completely based on the future.
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by Jeffrey Morton on Aug 1, 2011 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions
aside from our gut reactions
we won’t be able to start evaluating this trade for another 12 months and only really value it like 3 years from now.
you make a good point.
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by Resolution on Aug 1, 2011 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's what's a bit misleading though
In 12 months or 3 years we’ll have a better idea of what they will likely contribute to the team. But at the moment all we have is information on what might happen, with multiple variables (a large one of which is pure dumb luck).
It’s like those maps which predict the course of a hurricane – narrow at first, then widening over 6, 12, 24 hours until you end up with an area 1,500 miles wide where the hurrican might be in 5 days time.
I'm not sure what the overall message of our comments are
other than that if DOD were to be evaluated based on this trade it would be a mistake…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I am not sure penultimate means what you think it does
unless you think this will be his second to last trade
Time for some of this Rockies: "One of the beautiful things about baseball is that every once in a while you come into a situation where you want to, and where you have to, reach down and prove something." Nolan Ryan
I was expecting this trade to be followed up by a couple others
I’m quite surprised he didn’t. DOD put himself out on a limb by making only one move….
I know that doesn’t seem to make sense…but I think people would have a better time coping with this trade if DOD had followed it up with some others (Stew. CDI)
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by Jeffrey Morton on Aug 1, 2011 11:12 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm glad someone played dictionary nazi before I got here :)
That’s easily one of the most mis-used words…..
Nah
DOD has 9 lives, only used 6 or 7 so far. Kid’s got alligator blood.
by Teekalong on Aug 1, 2011 11:16 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Listen, here's the thing. If you can't spot the sucker in the first half hour at the table, then you ARE the sucker.
another great movie I need to watch again.
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is that rounders?
i need to watch it again too. been a long time
Yup. I can picture DOD saying this right before he made the Ubaldo trade.
DOD: You can’t lose what you don’t put in the middle.
[pause]
DOD: But you can’t win much either.
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great movie
and it spawned an incredible boom in poker – live and online.
well, until april 15… idiots….
Ubaldo :(
(I’ve been traveling, and still haven’t gotten any farther than this. Well, and deciding to root for the Indians and worrying that Ubaldo’s mom will have trouble getting good goat meat in Cleveland.)
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After the deal, I had to admit to myself that doubt existed....
…in my mind as to whether Ubaldo will ever reprise the first half of 2010, or that’s all there was. We just assumed he’d bounce back, in part, I think, because the alternative was too tough to consider vis a vis the future of this franchise.
I expect that there were enough folks on the Rockies side who entertained the same thought to make this move now, and let another organization worry about it.
Hopefully, Ubaldo is that guy and proves it in Cleveland. But now, either way, we’ve got some young high-ceiling arms to step up and hopefully build a strong rotation for the future.
by evers44 on Aug 1, 2011 11:57 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
The MLBN Fantasy 411 guys aren't very smart
On Nicasio:
He’s not an overpowering guy, he works off the slider and change.
Um, what???
How great would nicasio be with above average offspeed stuff?
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Too bad upcoming opponents don't go here for info
Nicasio might not give up another run all year.
by Northsider1964 on Aug 1, 2011 12:52 PM MDT up reply actions
Do you think Nicasio's performance is part of why Ubaldo was dangled?
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No, on the contrary
I think Ubaldo was dangled because we don’t have 3 or 4 more tough SOBs with power arms, just like Nicasio.
by Northsider1964 on Aug 1, 2011 12:58 PM MDT up reply actions
Also, from the same geniuses on Rosario
He’s at least a year away and he may never get there.
Wow. I expect that kind of ignorance from ESPN, but not MLBN
I could sort of see that in a "value to a fantasy team sense"
Rosario’s pretty risky as he figures to carry a low BA, especially at first. He should have Barajas/Olivo type of value right away though, so it does break down a bit.
Let's just keep him a secret for a while
Let opposing batters find out about them when they get to the plate.
by Real Perspective on Aug 1, 2011 1:03 PM MDT up reply actions
We no noooooothing
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Aug 1, 2011 1:17 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
This is a really interesting point of view on the Ubaldo trade. Some people have sort of touched on this, but I haven’t seen it summed up quite this way before:
By moving Jimenez rather than keeping him to themselves until it was too late, they may have saved one of baseball’s most talented arms, and given themselves a chance to continue to compete in the process.
So basically, not only might it help the Rockies, but perhaps Ubaldo himself.
by holly96 on Aug 1, 2011 1:41 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
I like this comment better
In the Marlins 19 year history, only one pitcher (Dontrelle Willis) has thrown 200 innings three years in a row, and just barely – in 2007 he threw 205.1 innings. He is the only person to throw 1,000 innings for Florida.
Also, just 12 pitchers have thrown 500 innings for Florida. These numbers are barely different than for Colorado.
I would suggest that it isn’t the altitude that’s hard on pitchers, it’s pitching itself.
I’m tired of people using the altitude at Colorado as an excuse for everything…
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
Just because the Marlins have had similar issues doesn't mean there might not
be something legitimate to the altitude’s effects on players, pitchers in particular. I don’t think anyone is using it as an excuse for anything. But just as it shouldn’t be used as a reason to except mediocrity, it also shouldn’t be downplayed to having no effect. That’s just silly.
I'm an athelete myself
and I do notice that when I am at sea level I tend to perform better… however these are professional athletes… the worst player in baseball is still in the top 5% of the country in terms of physical ability. I’m not going to down play the effect altitude has on some people, but I get tired of what I like to call “altitude babying”
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
Correlation /= causation
It also may just have to do with the fact that having a pitcher pitch 500+ innings with one team is rare in this day and age. If you look at the pitchers that have started with this franchise, we have had 7 pitchers go more than 500 innings in their career, we also have one that has pitched more than 1000 innings with us and is starting to look like he is getting his sinker back.
Thank you for your years of service Ubaldo, you were a pleasure to watch. I hope you find your way into a purple uniform again someday.
Sure, there's no way to know exactly the cause.
It’s probably actually a combination of things. But I don’t think it’s fair to totally disregard the possibility that altitude could have a very real effect, here.
As someone with lower back/knee/degenerative issues
I found living at a higher altitude is much better for me than a lower elevation.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Aug 1, 2011 2:24 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
All I know, is what I've dealt with since moving to Denver is a lot less
Than what it was living in Kansas and Tulsa.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Aug 1, 2011 2:54 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I will put it this way
My wife and I are both Black Belts in Tae Kwon Do, and both are active in Tournaments and Class… at one point I would put in about 20+ hours a week, and she would put in the same amount of time.
Both of us were born and raised in Colorado, and both of us have had knee surgeries… she has torn her ACL, and I have torn my meniscus twice. Where these caused by us training in Colorado at Altitude? Or rather is it because the stress of kicking is not something the human Body is designed to do over and over again.
Are injuries to Rockies Pitcher due to the Altitude, or more due to the fact that throwing a ball 90+ MPH over and over again is not something the Human Body Is designed to do all that well…
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
It could very well be both.
It’s not as if there’s no scientific backing to the altitude having an effect. We just don’t know exactly to what degree and what other factors there are (i.e., does it depend on the amount of exercise over a long period of time, etc.). I don’t think it has to be either/or. What if the altitude makes an injury 10% (random number picked out of the air) more likely? I think we can be safe in saying it’s probably not 0%.
Im not going to say its 0%
However, I do know the motion/act of pitching is something that is unnatural to the human body, and contributes far greater to injuries then pitching at altitude does.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
And I'm pretty sure
that even if I were at sea level, I would still have two knee surgeries under my belt
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
And i would say that Pitching itself is such a big factor
that whatever difference pitching at altitude makes, is probably very small in comparison
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
The only way I can see altitude being a big factor
is if pitchers alter their mechanics and apply more torque to their pitches in an attempt to get more movement on them. I could see that blowing out elbows and shoulders more quickly.
But I don’t claim to know if that happens or not…
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That could make some since actually
But I think pitching is a muscle memory type thing, and changing mechanics would cause more problems first.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
the other way is in injury recovery
pitching itself is so unnatural that it probably causes minor tissue injury if it’s regularly done, it’s why arms get sore or fatigued or whatever. If those minor wounds are slower to heal than they are at sea level, I would think it could compound into a major problem more quickly than it does at sea level.
Is recovery really slower to someone acclimated to altitude?
Also, 5280’s not exactly THAT high in elevation.
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Well, you do get less oxygen in the air -> less oxygen in your red blood cells ->. Slower healing time
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Aug 1, 2011 3:00 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
But Less O2 in the air -> body develops more red blood cells -> Average healing time at altitude
And faster healing time lower.
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But it the oxygen or the red cells themselves that heal you?
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Aug 1, 2011 3:07 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Is it
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Aug 1, 2011 3:08 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
But if the body's produced more red blood cells to compensate
The O2 levels should be pretty equivalent. One just takes more delivery trucks than the other.
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5280's much higher than 0
There are clearly going to be more dramatic effects higher than that, but it would make sense to me that there will be lower grade versions of the same adverse effects a mile up. I think either way more study/proof is needed than our conjecture.
My question is regarding altitude-acclimated players.
It’s obviously going to effect flat-landers, but 5280s not really that much to acclimate to. Heck, people acclimate to Bogota and La Paz.
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And the Olympic Training Center's in C Springs
There are a darn lot of variables, that’s for sure. And even if they hung out in CO all winter, a month and a half in Scottsdale probably does make it harder back at altitude.
As a native Coloradan, I tend to scoff at altitude excuses, I guess. It’s irrational, I’m sure.
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Francis, Buchholz, and De La Rosa all three were injured while actually pitching with Colorado.
They did throw a lot of IP the year prior to getting injured……
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Aug 1, 2011 2:52 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
You can find examples like this all over baseball though
Josh Johnson, Johan Santana… etc
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
Honestly, I think Jeff was injured just after the NLCS and tried to pitch thru it in game 1 of the WS
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Aug 1, 2011 3:11 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Honestly, I think we were completely outmatched in that World Series by a substantially better team
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i was so rooting for Clevland not to meltdown in the ALCS
I thought once we went up against Boston, our odds were very small
Me too
In my opinion, 2007 was when the talent gap between the AL and NL was at its peak. But I think the Rockies could have given Cleveland a run for their money.
Since then I don’t think the NL has caught all the way up, but the gap is less pronounced.
by Northsider1964 on Aug 1, 2011 3:18 PM MDT up reply actions
the AL not-east isn't better than the NL as a whole, not at all
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
lets just use our 2012 money for something good and not another wigginton
Probably true
I think the leagues are somewhat even now. Back then, not so much.
by Northsider1964 on Aug 1, 2011 3:32 PM MDT up reply actions
BUT THE NL WON THE ASG!
How do you get your kids to behave? Threaten not to take them to a Rockies game. They straighten up REAL QUICK.
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“outmatched” “substantially better team”
I think those words go a long way towards explaining Francis’ performance.
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However
Francis had been pitching a lot better for the rest of the playoffs against pretty good hitters and the performance in Game 1 seemed to be an outlier.
the phillies and diamondbacks also didnt roll out this lineup:
pedroia
youkilis
ortiz
ramirez
lowell
varitek
lugo
ellsbury
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
lets just use our 2012 money for something good and not another wigginton
Francis also had much of his success during the day
check out his day/night splits that season.
Day:
9 starts, 8-0 with a 2.48 ERA
Night:
25 starts, 9-9 with a 4.92 ERA
Pretty sure World Series Game 1 falls under the latter….
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do you not remember who was on the 2007 red sox?
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
lets just use our 2012 money for something good and not another wigginton
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 1, 2011 4:30 PM MDT up reply actions
el bastardo
(he’s puerto rican)
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
lets just use our 2012 money for something good and not another wigginton
uh
ROYCE CLAYTON
HOW DARE HE
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 1, 2011 5:20 PM MDT up reply actions
So basically, not only might it help the Rockies, but perhaps Ubaldo himself.
This is basically what I said on Twitter last night.
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 1, 2011 1:52 PM MDT up reply actions
Prior to Tony LaRussa and his use of one inning relievers in the 80's
Even the average starters threw 200+ IP.
The Rockies and Marlins played ZERO games in that era.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Aug 1, 2011 1:56 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm not sure if this bothered anyone else as much as me
But I’m going to take serious issue with the Passan article. He makes this claim:
Top position-playing prospects have found success at a far greater rate than their pitching counterparts.
Which might even be true. But it doesn’t matter, because he gives us no evidence of this. He goes on to give a percentage of “good” and “bad” pitching prospects from BA’s top 50, which is a terrible way to do it, but whatever. But he never compares it to the position players that he claims to have found success at a greater rate! This is supposed to be journalism?
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That's terrible
And a shame, because I have a similar hypothesis, but I don’t get paid to research and write about baseball.
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I think the hypothesis that is definitely right is that the average top 50 position prospect is worth more than the average top 50 pitching prospect
haven’t seen any data on likelihood of success. whatever, that article was a complete sham to me. disappointing.
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by black_knight101 on Aug 1, 2011 3:38 PM MDT up reply actions
I hope the Denver party people, i.e.: dude-bros and beckys took notice.
I imagine it’s difficult to mourn for a family member for friend who died in such a violent, ignoble fashion.
Oh, now be honest, NL West rivals, warriors to warriors. You do prefer it this way, don't you, as it was meant to be? No peace in our time. "Once more unto the breach, dear friends."
by jasontheuncatchable on Aug 1, 2011 2:58 PM MDT reply actions
Oh, now be honest, NL West rivals, warriors to warriors. You do prefer it this way, don't you, as it was meant to be? No peace in our time. "Once more unto the breach, dear friends."
by jasontheuncatchable on Aug 1, 2011 2:58 PM MDT up reply actions
no surprise here
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 1, 2011 3:53 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
My mistake:
he drew it last May, but has reposted for tribute and a caption contest also.
This year sucks.
by prettyinpurple on Aug 1, 2011 3:06 PM MDT up reply actions
Go Meteor!
Altar Boy in the Church of Santo Ubaldo--Anybody know of any good deals on Cleveland Indians hats?
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Maybe they'll play 3 15 inning games and destroy their pitching staffs....
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by jasontheuncatchable on Aug 1, 2011 3:22 PM MDT up reply actions
bochy might actually have to use romo for more than like 1 hitter at a time
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lets just use our 2012 money for something good and not another wigginton
I should also mention that
The Cardinals/Brewers are starting their series up today. Should be a good one.
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 1, 2011 4:50 PM MDT up reply actions
Don't forget Cleveland @ Boston
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 1, 2011 7:34 PM MDT up reply actions
yessss Seth Smith starting vs a lefty
very weird lineup though.
Young LF
Fowler CF
Ellis 2B
Tulowitzki SS
Wigginton 1B
Nelson 3B
Smith RF
Iannetta C
Chacin P
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Worst Rockies lineup of the year.
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 1, 2011 3:22 PM MDT up reply actions
the good news is that Ellis has a 159 sOPS+ at Coors this year
so…whatever. I would have thought Tracy might have rather had Tulo in the 3 hole like he did the other day
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by black_knight101 on Aug 1, 2011 3:29 PM MDT up reply actions
wow i didnt even realize ellis was hitting third in this lineup
just… wow.
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its very strange.
if we were facing a righty, Seth Smith would undoubtedly be hitting 3rd. the other option, Tulo in the 3 hole and probably Wiggy cleanup, isn’t all that exciting either though.
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by black_knight101 on Aug 1, 2011 3:51 PM MDT up reply actions
anyone else think
it would make more sense to bat Fowler, Ellis then whatever, then bat EY2 ninth? Just cuz he’s fast dont mean he gotta leadoff…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Me too.
I don’t really have a huge issue with the actual players in this lineup (given Helton needs a day off). I would maybe shuffle a couple of them round a bit, though.
Not sure which comment to Rec harder
this or Muzia’s
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needz less wigginton
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
lets just use our 2012 money for something good and not another wigginton
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by Muzia on Aug 1, 2011 3:25 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
Not sure which comment to Rec harder
this or CCR’s
Time for some of this Rockies: "One of the beautiful things about baseball is that every once in a while you come into a situation where you want to, and where you have to, reach down and prove something." Nolan Ryan
Maybe the GIDP Machine is down for maintenance
yessss Seth Smith starting vs a lefty
by Northsider1964 on Aug 1, 2011 3:34 PM MDT up reply actions
I'd say put CDI at 3rd if he wants to play with the lineup. Why not? He can maybe walk to get on for Tulo or they will have to pitch to him so he can get a good hit with that speed at the 1 and 2 spots
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not at 3rd but bat him 3rd
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NO CHRIS HAZ TO HIT ATETH
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
lets just use our 2012 money for something good and not another wigginton
Weird nails it
I prefer outfielders in the outfield, but I would like to see how Nelson does at 3B.
Bleed purple
Ubaldo is a big part of not only my rockies memories
but in big life transitions too. Watching him pitch for my 21st birthday, hearing about his no hitter right after going to a particularly crushing memorial service are the bigger ones. Man.
Score a goal. Unit. Basket. Go squadron! Do good! Defeat the opponents soundly in this...skirmish.
ok that last part may have kicked some dust up in my office
or someone started cutting onions or something
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 1, 2011 4:33 PM MDT up reply actions
who cares about them but here they are
1. Jimmy Rollins (S) SS
2. Shane Victorino (S) CF
3. Chase Utley (L) 2B
4. Ryan Howard (L) 1B
5. Hunter Pence® RF
6. Raul Ibanez (L) LF
7. Placido Polanco® 3B
8. Carlos Ruiz® C
9. Cole Hamels (L) P
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beltran is a better hitter than any of these guys
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they're having pretty much the exact same year, which is a little weird
i know how good utley is, but i prefer beltran
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lets just use our 2012 money for something good and not another wigginton
seriously
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
lets just use our 2012 money for something good and not another wigginton
Beltran was really freaking good once upon a time
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With the way that Fowler has been hitting of late..
Fowler vs. Hamels?
Or
Maybin vs. Kershaw?
I’m having a tough time here.
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yikes not easy
id go Fowler for pure homerism but that might not be the answer you’re looking for
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by black_knight101 on Aug 1, 2011 3:48 PM MDT up reply actions
Coors v PetCo
Have to go with Fowler
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even though its against Hamels?
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Better from the right side?
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dex at home hitting right handed
is the better option
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Ok, thanks guys. I will make the change and we will see how he does.
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ubaldo to wear #30 for tribe
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lets just use our 2012 money for something good and not another wigginton
Just don't post the pictures when they take them...
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that's ugly.
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ahh
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by nodakroxfan on Aug 1, 2011 5:07 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm watching CLE/BOS to see if I get a glimpse of Ubaldo
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 1, 2011 5:08 PM MDT up reply actions
me too
i’m sure they’ll show him
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by black_knight101 on Aug 1, 2011 5:08 PM MDT up reply actions
Unless he isn't in CLE yet.
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 1, 2011 5:10 PM MDT up reply actions
That ain't right
"I think I speak for everyone in here when I say: It''s playoffs or bust"- Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
/covers eyes
La la la! I’m not clicking on it!
This year sucks.
by prettyinpurple on Aug 1, 2011 5:15 PM MDT up reply actions
No, it's real.
/looks like he’s forcing a smile
//sad
FFFFFFFFFFF.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Aug 1, 2011 6:18 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
He seriously looks like he's not quite sure what he's doing there.
And why he’s not in purple and black.
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Would any consider taking a look at Daniel Murphy from the Mets?
He plays well. 1st,2nd,3rd, and OF. His main spot is mainly at 3rd. Any takers? He’s batting over .300 on the year, bats 3rd in the lineup ahead of Wright and behind Justin Turner.
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numbers here.
Avg .319
HR 6
RBI 48
Runs 47
SB 5
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murphy is their stewart, only it worked
top prospect, they waited a long time for him to have major league success
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but if we could get Murphy, would we want him?
We have some pitching now we can give up. We know the Mets are always looking for pitching
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i would
he hits better outside citi field, good defensive numbers, versatility, doesn’t strike out, decent enough leverage/men on splits
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he's been a good pickup for me all year.
He singles and doubles teams to death.
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What makes you think he's even available?
I want to be realistic.
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 1, 2011 4:48 PM MDT up reply actions
I was just wondering opinions. I have no idea ifhe is available or not
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he's still at the minimum and doesn't hit his first arb year until 2013
He’s exactly the type of player the Mets will keep around right now. Cheap and fairly effective.
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they should take wigginton for him.
he makes more money so he’s better.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 1, 2011 4:59 PM MDT up reply actions
it IS the mets....
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and they need pitching right?
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ok, I was just curious if he was someone that we might find useful. That's it.
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I was talking with Eric Simon over at Amazin' Avenue
He basically put it that Murphy will be their starting 2B next year, assuming Davis is healthy, and he’s probably their best sell-high candidate right now.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 1, 2011 5:13 PM MDT up reply actions
what about Justin Turner. He is pretty high on their list right now also
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Turner isn't very god and not having a very good season.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 1, 2011 6:54 PM MDT up reply actions
This Gints lineup looks like they set it up out of retirement home
1. Cody Ross® CF
2. Jeff Keppinger® 2B—-Old
3. Carlos Beltran (S) RF——Worn down
4. Pablo Sandoval (S) 3B
5. Aubrey Huff (L) 1B——Old again
6. Nate Schierholtz (L) LF
7. Orlando Cabrera® SS—-No words
8. Eli Whiteside® C
9. Matt Cain® P
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all it's missing is miguel 'lowest OPS of any qualified player' tejada
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3 against the dbacks
matt cain vs ian kennedy in game 1. gonna be great for my fantasy team
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there is a guy in my league that has this same thing but he also has Chacin going tonight.
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Yep, I said that earlier
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 1, 2011 4:19 PM MDT up reply actions
I hate that this team is going to win the NL again.
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that the alternative is the phillies is a little soul crushing
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lets just use our 2012 money for something good and not another wigginton
go Pirates.
FFFFFFFFFFF.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Aug 1, 2011 4:22 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Don't sleep on the Dbacks
They still have a ton of games left with the recent garage sale venues known as LA, San Diego and Houston.
The smart money is still on the Giants, but I think the Dbacks take this to the wire regardless of how this series goes.
by Northsider1964 on Aug 1, 2011 4:22 PM MDT up reply actions
Cain - not old and pretty damn good
AT&T Park – fairly new and next to impossible to score runs in
Cain + AT&T = good chance for a win even if the DP combo is Wilfred Brimley and Andy Rooney
That said, go Dbacks.
by Northsider1964 on Aug 1, 2011 4:17 PM MDT up reply actions
I didnt say he wasn't old or good. Just the names with something beside them
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I know you didn't comment on Cain
I’m just saying, laugh at the Giants’ crappy lineup all you want. Tonight they will probably catch 8 would-be bombs two steps short of the warning track and then win 2-1 on a broken-bat single. And it will go squarely in the left-hand column, like it always does.
by Northsider1964 on Aug 1, 2011 4:28 PM MDT up reply actions
Hey give Wilferd Brimley a box of oatmeal..
And some insulin and he’s good to go.
by Charlie77 on Aug 1, 2011 4:22 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
like a young mark belanger
so long as his blood sugar’s doing okay
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Slightly more range than Jeter, at half the price!
by Northsider1964 on Aug 1, 2011 4:29 PM MDT up reply actions
...belanger was the best defensive SS of all time....
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I was comparing Wilfred Brimley's range to Jeter's
not Belanger’s. :)
by Northsider1964 on Aug 1, 2011 7:22 PM MDT up reply actions
oh.
OH, okay.
sheesh, don’t i look stupid now.
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Fredi Gonzalez is batting Jurrjens 8th and their LF 9th.....................why should this sound familiar........
FFFFFFFFFFF.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Aug 1, 2011 4:22 PM MDT reply actions
Why does it?
A Braves pitcher hasnt batted anywhere but 9th in like 50 years
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by nodakroxfan on Aug 1, 2011 4:52 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I am so jealous
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 1, 2011 5:19 PM MDT up reply actions
Some good news maybe?
Cargo is progressing nicely. He will do his regular BP routine today and tomorrow and see how his wrist feels from there.
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Ubaldo Jimenez is scheduled to pitch in an Indians uniform for the first time on Friday, in an 8:05 p.m. ET contest against Texas at Rangers Ballpark in Arlington.
anyone going to watch?
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probably, Texas' attendance has been pretty good this year.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 1, 2011 4:36 PM MDT up reply actions
without a doubt
provided it’s televised
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watch the start of it with a tear in my eye
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Take note of the action
This may be an historical game!
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