Thursday Rockpile: Tulowitzki for MVP? Ian Stewart heads back to AAA
by Rox Girl on Aug 11, 2011 8:01 AM MDT
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PrintTroy Tulowitzki homered for the second straight night in the Rockies loss to the Reds last night, and his most recent hot streak at the plate has taken him to the top of the NL leaderboard in WAR according to FanGraphs (he ranks 5th according to Baseball-Reference.) Voters for the NL may have an interesting decision come October, as several of the best position players in the league this season are on non-competitive teams. Tulowitzki, Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes and Andrew McCutchen all are on teams well out of the current playoff picture, but are certainly worthy of consideration for the award. That said, the pack of leaders does include a handful of players still in the playoff picture, notably the surprising D-backs Justin Upton, the Phillies Shane Victorino, and Brewers Ryan Braun and Prince Fielder.
The award definitely tends to favor players and teams who finish well, so an August/September stretch run that brings the Rockies close to the division lead could help Tulowitzki's cause. The big point here might be that Tulo is putting in his best season yet with the Rockies, and with a little over a quarter season left to go, that contract extension he signed last winter is looking a bit better for the club. With Reyes expected to enter open free agency this winter, we'll get a better understanding of what the market for elite shortstops actually looks like.
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Ian Stewart will be making yet another trip down to AAA Colorado Springs, and while his future with the Rockies past 2011 was already cloudy, the skies on that front just got a little bit darker.
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With the signing deadline just days away, I still haven't seen any updates on most of the Rockies top selections from the 2011 draft, but we are getting a few reports of later round draft and follow H.S. types being unfollowed by the club. 41st round selection Taylor Martin would be the most recent example.
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#Rockies lineup 8/11 at CIN:
Fowler 8
Ellis 4
Gonzalez 9
Alfonzo 2
Smith 7
Nelson 5
Wigginton 3
Herrera 6
Chacin 1
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Maybe a reward for the double he hit in the 9th lat night?
Lets win a day game!!!
Get well soon Juan.
Wowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 11, 2011 8:17 AM MDT up reply actions
Great pitching matchup today
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Aug 11, 2011 8:19 AM MDT up reply actions
Chacin should refuse to pitch
Talk about getting the C lineup
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I would really find that highly amusing if he did.
Of course, he’d be fired forever, but man that would be fantastic.
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YAHTZEE!
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 11, 2011 8:18 AM MDT up reply actions
#FI#24MGR?
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I prefer a game of chutes ^& ladders to pick my lineups.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 11, 2011 8:22 AM MDT up reply actions
I think Tracy consulted his magic 8-ball this morning.
Tracy: Should I play a lineup that gives us a chance to win today?
Magic 8-Ball: Signs point to No.
Get well soon Juan.
Tulowitzki's been so good lately
that he’s being rewarded with a day off in favor of JONATHAN HERRERA (taking his position) AND ELIEZER ALFONZO (taking his spot in the lineup).
Jesus.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 11, 2011 8:19 AM MDT up reply actions
gotta rest him for the playoff push!
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I completely missed that.
Get well soon Juan.
by Thnikkaman on Aug 11, 2011 8:21 AM MDT up reply actions 3 recs
This was exactly me
I should go back to sleep cause surely this must be a bad dream
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why did I drive into work today?
No wonder no one is in the office
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 11, 2011 8:50 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
you certainly can play yourself out of Tracy's lineup by having a big night at the plate
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 11, 2011 8:21 AM MDT up reply actions
Well, do like we do
We watch the game whilst pretending it really isn’t happening.
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Usually, I would say "yes it's still baseball"
but I’m not sure this lineup qualifies.
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I'm going to presume Tulo is injured. Because really otherwise
W.T.F.F
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using the first letters of each name in today's lineup, we get the following anagrams
Fang Chews
Fangs Chew
Fags Wench
Gnaws Chef
Gnaw Chefs
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that third one...
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 11, 2011 8:37 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
ಠ_ಠ
FFFFFFFFFFF.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Aug 11, 2011 9:44 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
muziarules!
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by El Paso Jeff on Aug 11, 2011 10:34 AM MDT up reply actions
FEG ASNWHCH
Forget Every Game and eat an Ass Sandwich.
Get well soon Juan.
by Thnikkaman on Aug 11, 2011 8:22 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I really wish we didn't have to use this next year.
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Iannetta also can't pitch hit
Because he may accidently take a walk.
Pinch not pitch
i’m sure i’m not the first to make that mistake
that's pretty awesome
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 11, 2011 11:08 AM MDT up reply actions
All you need to know is Alfonzo is batting 4th
Nothing else matters. That alone pretty much screams “YOU’RE SCREWED!!!!”
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 11, 2011 8:33 AM MDT up reply actions
*bats Alfonzo 4th*
#fireJimTracy
FFFFFFFFFFF.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Aug 11, 2011 8:46 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Right. Who has the cojones to phone the Rockies and pretend to be Jim Tracy's brother/nanny/therapist or whatever
And then ask him what the [REDACTED] he thinks he’s doing with this team.
I vote Squeaky.
1-800-SPECIAL
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1-800-WTFJIMT
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I like this one
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So you can make Silver your medis secretary, and me your bench coach!
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Insubordination
DO YOU KNOW HOW HARD IT WAS TO DROP UBALDO AND NICASIO FROM MY FANTASY LEAGUE? I'VE HAD UBALDO SINCE 2008.
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by Roxman4ever on Aug 11, 2011 10:00 AM MDT up reply actions
why the hell isnt Tulo playing?
DO YOU KNOW HOW HARD IT WAS TO DROP UBALDO AND NICASIO FROM MY FANTASY LEAGUE? I'VE HAD UBALDO SINCE 2008.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
He played so hard last night
he is just too tired to swing the wood today.
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Making sure his back is OK.
"Surgeons have determined that doing the wave will, yes, will cause tears to the suprapinatus muscle and the infraspinatus muscle from the throwing of an individual's arms rapidly into the air. In addition, any children doing the wave will be sold to the circus. Do NOT do the wave in the ballpark. Doing the wave is safe at pro football games and Miley Cyrus concerts.
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What is Raffy's excuse?
DO YOU KNOW HOW HARD IT WAS TO DROP UBALDO AND NICASIO FROM MY FANTASY LEAGUE? I'VE HAD UBALDO SINCE 2008.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
Well you've seen the pictures right?
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yea. But he swings wood everyday. He's stuck with it.
DO YOU KNOW HOW HARD IT WAS TO DROP UBALDO AND NICASIO FROM MY FANTASY LEAGUE? I'VE HAD UBALDO SINCE 2008.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
It's like a girl with huge boobs
your back hurts at the end of the day lugging those things around.
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I can understand that.
DO YOU KNOW HOW HARD IT WAS TO DROP UBALDO AND NICASIO FROM MY FANTASY LEAGUE? I'VE HAD UBALDO SINCE 2008.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
word
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of course this isn't a problem that I have.
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You speak the truth nonetheless
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They are indeed modern martyrs
suffering for the rest of society’s benefit.
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by Muzia on Aug 11, 2011 9:20 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
amen.
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not all women.
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More woman should be happy with the way they are.
No woman needs make-up, botox, or anything surgical to make them look beautiful.
Get well soon Juan.
A ponytail and a baseball cap.
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Hey! It's not just girls with that problem.
Not that I have any personal experience.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 11, 2011 9:47 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
beat me to it.
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the sad thing is that this isnt the worst recent lineup
That belongs to Ellis’ day in the 3 hole.
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by black_knight101 on Aug 11, 2011 9:16 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
via Renck
Also Street likely unavailable today. Alfonzo hitting cleanup bc of recent at-bats and Tracy wanted to split lefties CarGo and Smith
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RLRLRLRLROFL
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by SDcat09 on Aug 11, 2011 9:31 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm at the point where I'm wondering if baseball hasn't evolved past needing a manager.
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I would hardly call him a master at this point.
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Master of his domain maybe
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hardly
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I'm sad we've abandoned the thought of having CDI play 1B on Helton off days.
especially when he’s hitting so well lately
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by Muzia on Aug 11, 2011 9:43 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nope. No. Nope.
Can’t let Chris get some PT at first. Gotta save those for Wigginton.
FFFFFFFFFFF.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Aug 11, 2011 9:58 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Street is the far better chess player at this point
FFFFFFFFFFF.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Aug 11, 2011 9:42 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
That's it. I am going to draw names out of a hat and create a lineup
let’s see if it’s better.
Today’s lineup, using a random number generator:
Fowler
Smith
Gonzalez
Chacin
Alfonzo
Wigginton
Nelson
Herrera
Ellis
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I wouldn't hate that if Rogers were pitching
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Mine
CarGo
Smith
Nelson
Ellis
Herrera
Wigginton
Fowler
Chacin
Alfonzo
Okay, it wasn’t random /jerseynumber
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 11, 2011 9:55 AM MDT up reply actions
Stupid.....stupid
Fire him now
FFFFFFFFFFF.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Aug 11, 2011 9:36 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
No
This is clearly building his case for that contract extension
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 11, 2011 10:01 AM MDT up reply actions
OH I just figured it out.
Tracy is angling to get the Reds job after they fire Dusty this season.
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Amazing how many CFs there are near the top of the WAR leaderboards
SSS I guess, but still. 4 of the top 6 on FG and 3 of the top 6 on BR.
Positional bonus?
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I have a suspicion that the positional bonus is perhaps a little heavily weighted
But yeah, mkorpal is on the money.
Though once again it's hugely frustrating how much the WARs differ
Which by definition reduces their mutual claims to accuracy. Is anyone working on a stat that will either unite or replace them?
It makes sense when you think about it though
Fangraphs uses wRC+ which is based off of wOBA for it’s offense and UZR for it’s denfense. BR uses OPS+ for it’s offensive numbers and Total Zone for its defense. When both WARs are using different offensive and definsive components, I can see how they come up with different results.
Also, I would expect Tulo’s number on fWAR to drop back below 6 the next time the UZR defensive numbers are updated. Since he tweaked his quad in early July he has not been as good on that side of the ball and is even negative on Total Zone and DRS in the last month. (Fangraphs hasn’t updated their defensive scores (UZR) in a while but when they do, I bet Tulo’s number drops back below 10)
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 11, 2011 8:31 AM MDT up reply actions
I get why they're different, but my problem
Is that one, or both, can’t pretend to represent actual, literal, Wins Above Replacement when they’re (occasionally wildly) different figures. Which I think degrades the metric in the eyes of Joe Punter and, I guess, me.
Second question – with advances in fitness, training etc, has the baseline for “replacement” been fluid in recent years, presumably upwards (and therefore reducing WAR overall)?Or is there an immovable historical baseline replacement level? Either way seems potentially that it could move away from producing a genuinely meaningful WAR figure.
WAR is pretty much just trying to measure how much more valuable you are than your current peers
So if all of your peers have gotton better, than I guess you could argue that a .900 OPS guy today would have hit better than a .900 OPS lets say 50 years ago – providing that the offense from both eras were the same. At the same time, a .900 OPS guy in 1968 is going to get more credit for that feat than a .900 OPS guy in 1998 because he’s distinguished himself from his peers more. Unless you believe that the players today are better then they were 50 years ago, then it probably tells a story that’s pretty accurate.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 11, 2011 9:08 AM MDT up reply actions
Replacement level is the value of a readily available AAAA player
like Matt Pagnozzi, Omar Quintanilla or Cole Garner. That level of player may get more or less talented with time, but when the value is above and beyond what would otherwise be available, a moving baseline doesn’t really matter.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 11, 2011 9:10 AM MDT up reply actions
I get what a replacement is (though how it's EXACTLY quantified is beyond me)
My question really relise on the rough and ready assumption that various advances are made over the course of time:
In 1900, the best players were 100 (on an arbitrary scale), and replacement players were 50
In 2000, the best players were 110 and replacement players were 60
Both have improved the same amount, but they have moved closer together proportionally. I think you could argue that improved training technicques etc. would add to the strength of the replacement players disproportionately, because the very best players simply have less margin for improvement, but even without this the maths remains undeniable.
Anyway, as a result, the difference between the two has effectively shrunk, so WAR levels should also have shrunk.
Does that make sense?
Sort of, not totally following
You’re still comparing best players to replacement players to some arbitrary number 0. What would that number zero represent in terms of a baseball player really? The high school kid who can’t hit a curveball? That wouldn’t be relevant to MLB valuation. Whatever junk heap is available is “zero,” and whether that level player improves with time or not doesn’t really matter, because as a GM, you want a player 5 wins over the scrap guy.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 11, 2011 9:26 AM MDT up reply actions
Fair enough, but the central point is:
Has the gap between an AAAA player and an MVP become meaningfully smaller (which is my assertion, though larger would be the same issue)? If so, then WAR must be affected. Is that not right?
I see where you're coming from, but no, I don't think so
You’re saying that the industry of baseball is so saturated with well trained/furnished talent that it may become increasingly difficult to be appreciably better than replacement level players (or perhaps the opposite). Unless it gets to the point where it is impossible to sustain above replacement level success, thereby making an MLB player and replacement player essentially the same thing, it really should not matter. If Player X provides two wins more than the guy at AAA the GM could have relied on in 2011, he’s just as valuable as the guy who provides two wins in the same situation in 2020. Am I missing something else you’re saying here? Whether the baseline moves or not, WAR is relative to that baseline, so WAR will not be affected if the baseline moves.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 11, 2011 9:42 AM MDT up reply actions
What I'm saying is that Omr Quintanilla, through improved training etc., would now win only 1.5 games fewer
Rather than the 2 fewer he’d have won a generation ago.
Indeed
And if that is the case, then the MLB player, while playing at the same level, is simply less valuable because Quintanilla is closer to matching his production. That doesn’t mean WAR needs to be adjusted, as it would accurately reflect the true smaller gap between that player and Quintanilla. I do believe the replacement level definition is adjusted as years go by to ensure this is the case.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 11, 2011 9:59 AM MDT up reply actions
Ah okay, that makes sense and was an element I hadn't considered
Though it does mean that Babe Ruth’s WAR will likely be higher than Albert Pujol’s, relative to their relative talents.
That's part of the fascinating part of WAR
You would think that, but is that really true? Ruth transcended his peers so significantly, and he was a guy whose lifestyle really could have benefitted most from modern training/dieticians/etc. Would his dominance have translated and moved up even more to maintain ridiculous levels above his peers (sustained early 2000’s Bonds), or did he just figure something out then that wouldn’t translate?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 11, 2011 10:04 AM MDT up reply actions
Hmm, much to think about
My instinct is that the very best have less room for improvement than the mediocre, but obviously there is still some room.
This is a solid point
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 11, 2011 10:08 AM MDT up reply actions
It's probably been discussed a few thousand times...
so be patient with me for asking it again. What happened with Stewart ? Was it a case of just not being able to adjust at the major league level ?
I wish we knew.
All the potential holes he could have fallen through, he fell through them all. Everything’s shot to pieces.
yay Ubaldo last night?
did anyone watch the game?
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I did. He looked good overall
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from Lets Go Tribe
Then Ubaldo decided he’d had enough of the kittens.
They’re already falling in love…
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/sniff
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then there's this, which hurts in light of today's lineup
I wonder if the reason we gave up White and Pomz was that Colorado threw in some extra run support with Ubaldo.
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He threw a ton of fastballs.
I don’t know if this was due to scouting on the Tiggers or working with a new pitching coach. I definitely seemed to help his control. And he was able to get out of a few rough spots unscathed, which is something he was not doing at all this year.
by DumbAndNerdy on Aug 11, 2011 8:37 AM MDT up reply actions
Interesting that he had a negative WPA
Looks like a good line to me.
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Probably because the Indians scored 10 runs.
That means most of his pitching was low-leverage. It’s a mostly neutral WPA. He really only had two bad innings out of eight. One of which was him getting out of a jam (3rd). These innings happened at high-leverage times though when the score was still close.
by DumbAndNerdy on Aug 11, 2011 8:47 AM MDT up reply actions
baseball prospectus has an article up on he best cf prospects in the game
One Rockies earned a mention, and its not Tim Wheeler. I actually agree with the article.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=14755#93272
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 11, 2011 8:42 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
Considering it's a subscribe only any chance you let us in on the secret?
Time for some of this Rockies: "One of the beautiful things about baseball is that every once in a while you come into a situation where you want to, and where you have to, reach down and prove something." Nolan Ryan
PuRP 12
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 11, 2011 8:47 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Same.
He’d be my choice as well.
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Isn't it accepted now that Wheeler isn't
going to be playing CF at Coors?
by DumbAndNerdy on Aug 11, 2011 8:53 AM MDT up reply actions
That would be the reason, yep
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 11, 2011 8:58 AM MDT up reply actions
Just curious
What is Rockies record when Ianetta is catching. Just curious since he usually gets Sunday off.
according to B-R
Team Record in Appearances: 42-46 / in Starts: 42-44
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I couldn't find that, though I did find that Tracy has used only two lineups more than twice.
One of them has Charlie Blackmon in it (5 times). One has Jose Lopez (3)
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 11, 2011 9:01 AM MDT up reply actions
It's under 2011 Game Logs
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Wait, are you serious?
Those are the most common lineups this year? Why did 2009 Jim Tracy have to leave so suddenly…
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because everyone started sucking
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 11, 2011 9:05 AM MDT up reply actions
Damn right
I contend that players perform better when they know where in the lineup and in what spot in the batting order. The inabilty/refusal to send your best lineup out day after day is why Tracy needs to go.
the Seth Smith yanking is borderline ridiculous
hit two homers, Seth? Benched for EY2.
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I sure hope our farm system has everyday players coming up and not platoon guys
This is why I like Arenado so, so much more than Rosario and Wheeler at this point
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 11, 2011 9:29 AM MDT up reply actions
left-handed hitters that struggle vs LHP and catchers tend to be platoon partners in any system
but they certainly don’t get away with it here.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 11, 2011 9:43 AM MDT up reply actions
what are you talking about?
Arenado’s a perfect platoon partner for Ellis.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 11, 2011 9:31 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm really struggling with my PuRPs top 10 order this fall
But yes, <3333333 Arenado with all of my heart
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I don't want these players mollycoddled into knowing when they're playing and where.
/sarcasm off.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 11, 2011 9:27 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
extra point for mollycoddled
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There'll be NO mollycoddlin'
FFFFFFFFFFF.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Aug 11, 2011 9:29 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
What about the lollygaggers
will you mollycoddle the lollygaggers?
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wow
in his last 19 games, CDI has the following line: .316/.429/.509
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I figured out this madness of a lineup
Chacin goes 7 innings allowing 2 runs.
We’re down 2-0 heading into the top of the 8th.
Leading off the, Chris Nelson strikes out looking on a fastball down the middle.
Wiggington hits a deep fly ball to left, but knowing we won’t win if he hits a dinger, he pulls the ball back into play…right into the glove of the left fielder.
Herrera hits a sharp grounder that stuns the entire Cincinnati defense who were stretching out in lawn chairs, so he miraculously gets a single.
We were originally going to send up EYJ to pinch hit, but Tulo pulls him back and tells Tracy he’s had enough. He walks up to the plate, and first pitch hits a 2 run home run to left.
Fowler, stunned by the amazing Tulo, strikes out looking.
Bottom of the 8th, 1-2-3 inning as Tulo, staying in the game replacing Herrera, gets all the outs.
Top of the 9th, Ellis grounds out to catcher.
CarGo, he gets a brushback pitch. Bad idea, as the following pitch he unleashes the lazors and clobbers the ball to right, homerun.
Alfonzo strikes out swinging on a slider in the dirt.
Smitty doubles to center.
Nelson grounds out to pitcher.
Bottom of the 9th, we send out Helton to replace Wiggy. Good move, so obviously Tracy isn’t awake managing anymore.
Whoever closes decides to walk the bases loaded, then strikes out Votto on a nasty off speed pitch.
Bruce is up, and he sends the first pitch deep down the line, but foul. Next pitch, he smacks a liner down the 1B line, however Helton snares it for out number 2.
Stubbs up now, and he decides to test Tulo, sending one in the whole. Tulo’s all like “You for reals dawg? lol” and makes his patent jump lolli-pop throw to get Stubbs out at first.
Ball game.
by TehChamp on Aug 11, 2011 9:15 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
...
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Your scenario has Tulo hitting a home run after the sixth inning.
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Clutch: I no has it
….that should be a thing.
FFFFFFFFFFF.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Aug 11, 2011 9:21 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
...
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Oh look.. A thing.
FFFFFFFFFFF.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Aug 11, 2011 10:00 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Congratulations, by the way
The anti-wave movement has reached the British press:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/aug/11/texas-rangers-mexican-wave
Wooooohoooooo
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Started in Mexico
at the world cup.
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Or the University of Washington
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 11, 2011 9:44 AM MDT up reply actions
but the "mexican wave" sounds better.
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sounds ominous, and job-threatening
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The Washington Wave sounds like an MLS team
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 11, 2011 9:47 AM MDT up reply actions
they should put the team in Puget Sound
and call them the Sound Wave
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 11, 2011 9:49 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's stupid
The Puget Sound Sound Wave?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 11, 2011 9:56 AM MDT up reply actions
no, drop the puget and one sound
the team name is just “Wave”
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 11, 2011 9:59 AM MDT up reply actions
.
Sound Wave
/nerd
FFFFFFFFFFF.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Aug 11, 2011 10:22 AM MDT up reply actions
How can we live in an age
where everything is available all the time, but we can’t say for sure where the wave started? Didn’t someone tweet it?
"Surgeons have determined that doing the wave will, yes, will cause tears to the suprapinatus muscle and the infraspinatus muscle from the throwing of an individual's arms rapidly into the air. In addition, any children doing the wave will be sold to the circus. Do NOT do the wave in the ballpark. Doing the wave is safe at pro football games and Miley Cyrus concerts.
-scoreboard announcement at Ranger Ballpark in Arlington via Baseball Nation.
And how can we still be asking
Who put the bomp in the bomp, bomp, bomp?
by DumbAndNerdy on Aug 11, 2011 10:30 AM MDT up reply actions
Something amusing about umps
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904006104576500353926412590.html?mod=e2tw
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This lineup...
Seriously WTF is wrong with Tracy, it’s as though he’s trying to give us the greatest chance of losing. I thought I’d seen it all when he batted Ellis third but Alfonzo fourth might top that.
I think this may actually be Todd Helton...
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That would be wonderful wouldn't it?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 11, 2011 10:15 AM MDT up reply actions
(you guys stay here, I’m going to test)
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 11, 2011 10:16 AM MDT up reply actions
OH IF ONLY
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Well he HAS been at
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 11, 2011 10:24 AM MDT up reply actions
Oh my. It's science
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Hey so Cracker Barrel sucks, huh?
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 11, 2011 10:17 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
HaHa no
Occasional lurker I just had to get that off my chest, I can’t stand Tracy’s demeanor anymore while this team continually makes mental mistakes and shows no fight whatsoever
You're definitely not alone there
Too bad it appears we’ll get another year (or at least Spring) with him
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Well Todd I can see why you only lurk
I mean you don’t get that many days off for rest.
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Woulda posted earlier
but I only recently figured out this blog thing and I was too busy talking with Millwood about the 99 season
you should get on Twitter.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 11, 2011 10:26 AM MDT up reply actions
@crackerbarrelrocks17
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Good try.
This is like a Turing test to see if a poster is really Todd Helton.
"Surgeons have determined that doing the wave will, yes, will cause tears to the suprapinatus muscle and the infraspinatus muscle from the throwing of an individual's arms rapidly into the air. In addition, any children doing the wave will be sold to the circus. Do NOT do the wave in the ballpark. Doing the wave is safe at pro football games and Miley Cyrus concerts.
-scoreboard announcement at Ranger Ballpark in Arlington via Baseball Nation.
How do you get the the BR equivalent of the Fangraphs leaderboard?
I don’t want to see career leaders, I a want to see this seasons leaders.
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by SurfaceThought on Aug 11, 2011 10:15 AM MDT reply actions
Here
http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/NL/2011-value-batting.shtml
Home page. Click National League. Go to the dropdown menu for Batting [+], click player value, then after the team WARs, scroll down. You’ll have to sort for WAR
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 11, 2011 10:19 AM MDT up reply actions
Wow, hidden much?
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by SurfaceThought on Aug 11, 2011 10:21 AM MDT up reply actions
Has anyone linked the Neyer piece at BN?
Worth reading, but here’s the sad conclusion.
“Really, though, the only thing that’s truly surprising about the Rockies is their poor luck.”
"Surgeons have determined that doing the wave will, yes, will cause tears to the suprapinatus muscle and the infraspinatus muscle from the throwing of an individual's arms rapidly into the air. In addition, any children doing the wave will be sold to the circus. Do NOT do the wave in the ballpark. Doing the wave is safe at pro football games and Miley Cyrus concerts.
-scoreboard announcement at Ranger Ballpark in Arlington via Baseball Nation.
Interesting/Depressing aspect of the bWAR list...
Rockies make up 5 of the BOTTOM 13 in the NL. Costing us the most wins, in order of least to most damaging:
EY Jr.
Chris Nelson
Ian Stewart
Charlie Blackmon
and the single most damaging player in the NL goes to…
Ryan Spilbourghs!
Congratulations! Yay! Yay!
Just a small town kid who thinks Coors Field on a sunny summer Saturday night is the best place to be on this or any other plane of existence. When a late-inning Todd Helton go-ahead homerun is added to this scenario, my brain melts.
at least he's funnyish!
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Stewart's time in Denver is over
Ian Stewart"s career with the Rockies is over. It’s hard to imagine him even being in spring training with the club. His time in the majors however might not be at an end. He needs a sports psychologist and then a new voice as a hitting coach. The talent is there. The rest is missing. Wish him well. The Rockies are moving on.
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It is clear
that Tracy doesn’t like him. I would like to see Tracy get the boot but it is clear that he won’t so Stew will be a DFA unless they can get a bag of balls for him at his depressed trade value.
This is really my beef with Tracy
It’s clear which skillsets he values and which he doesn’t “like”, and that translates to which players get the PT and which don’t. The frustration is when he plays inferior players for whatever reason. Some of the time, there’s a legit reason, like a small injury, or something off field that nobody could account for, or whatever.
I can usually just roll my eyes and bear it. But when I hear Jack and Jerry say that Tracy combs the books, looking for ANY potential edge, I almost scream at the radio “YOU MEAN LIKE PLAYING YOUR BEST PLAYERS AND NOT PLAYING YOUR TERRIBLE ONES?”
Of course, we aren’t the only fanbase that has to perpetually deal with this:
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 11, 2011 2:30 PM MDT up reply actions
Jeff Mathis, right?
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