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Wednesday Rockpile: Surprise! Drew Pomeranz is the Player to be Named Later

PHOENIX, AZ - JULY 10:  U.S. Futures All-Star Drew Pomeranz #51 of the Cleveland Indians throws a pitch against the World team during the 2011 XM All-Star Futures Game at Chase Field on July 10, 2011 in Phoenix, Arizona.  (Photo by Christian Petersen/Getty Images)

Okay, so you probably aren't surprised. The big "news" today is that we can officially say that top pitching prospect Drew Pomeranz has joined the organization as the player to be named later in the Ubaldo Jimenez trade. This is possibly the worst kept baseball secret in recent memory, brought upon by the rule that states a player must remain with the team that drafted him for at least one calendar year from his signing date. If you're curious about this heretofore mystery prospect, there is video of Pomeranz in the above link.

I'm just happy that the big southpaw didn't hurt himself during his strange 17 day sabbatical at Cleveland's Arizona facility. Pomeranz doesn't plan on tarrying -- he's slated to start tonight for AA Tulsa. There were murmurs went the trade went down that Pomeranz would be in the big league rotation by year's end. I don't know if that will be the case, but I do know that Colorado will be eager to promote Pomeranz to the big league club by early next year should all the pieces fall into place -- if nothing else than to show Rockies fans that life after Ubaldo isn't so bad. I certainly hope that the front office is right.

If Pomeranz and the other major Jimenez acquisition, Alex White, acquit themselves with style and aplomb next year in the middle of Colorado's rotation, all will be well in the Rocky Mountain region. Should this not be the case, the pressure on Dan O'Dowd, fair or not, will increase significantly in this short attention span world we live in today.

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News and Links

Tim Wheeler was the Prospect of the Day yesterday over at Minor League Ball. John Sickels does a great job of summarizing Wheeler's career so far. I don't know if Wheeler will be even a decent starter at the MLB level, but I do know that he's earned at least a long look for the big league roster next spring with his .293/.374/.555, 29 HR 2011.

Juan Nicasio intends to pitch for the Rockies again. Considering that he feels lucky to be alive, it's great that he can make such statements so soon after the injury. All of the encouraging progress he's made over the past week would seem to indicate that pitching for the Rockies again is a plausible goal.

For those of us who don't like the RBI stat (or maybe just the undue praise given Ryan Howard), here is a look at Howard's RBI prowess in the NY Times. Baseball Reference looks at players who would have at least Howard's 95 RBIs if given the same opportunities. There are 21 players in all, including Nelson Cruz -- whose RBI totals would increase by 34 (to 111) if he had Howard's spot in Philadelphia's order. Chipper Jones would have an incredible 48 more RBIs if he had Howard's advantages. One Colorado player is among these RBI titans, though his identity might surprise you.

Finally, Grant's SB Nation power rankings from a week ago ranks ballparks on their distinguishing feature. Colorado comes in at #3 with the humidor. And here's this week's power rankings.

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I'm shocked! Shocked that Drew Pomeranz is a Rockie

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by SDcat09 on Aug 17, 2011 7:33 AM MDT reply actions  

What an outrage!

Trade for Cliff Lee!!

This year sucks.

by prettyinpurple on Aug 17, 2011 7:33 AM MDT reply actions  

YEAH!

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by SDcat09 on Aug 17, 2011 7:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

Ahahahahaha
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This year sucks.

by prettyinpurple on Aug 17, 2011 7:41 AM MDT reply actions  

It's insane

that they are trying to get Nicasio ready to pitch in fall leagues.

by mkorpal on Aug 17, 2011 7:43 AM MDT reply actions  

I can't see that happening

Because he has another month left in the neck brace. But you do get the feeling that by spring training, he might be as ready as he’ll ever be.

How cool would it be if he started the 2012 home opener? That would be amazing.

by Northsider1964 on Aug 17, 2011 8:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

It would be incredible

I can see spring training be more legit than the Arizona Fall League that I heard. That is just too soon. It will probably be a few months of rehab before his neck is strong enough to handle the force of pitching.

by mkorpal on Aug 17, 2011 8:37 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah I think with any kind of neck surgery -

even the more planned and less life-altering variety – an additional 3 or 4 months would make a world of difference. But by spring training, who knows?

Also, it could be that perhaps they just want Nicasio to observe the fall league and participate in the drills that he’s able to. I could see that being of some benefit, even if he can’t take the mound.

by Northsider1964 on Aug 17, 2011 8:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

I think thats more likely

He could be able to do soft toss programs, but to see him pitch or play would be very8 very unlikely.

by mkorpal on Aug 17, 2011 8:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

Winter Ball? sure seemed to help Ubaldo going into 2010

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by TomCat009 on Aug 17, 2011 10:14 AM MDT up reply actions  

Oh Grant is really funny

I love the Padres/Orioles stadium science. That cracked me up. Also, he really almost seems sincere about the humidor.

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by SDcat09 on Aug 17, 2011 7:46 AM MDT reply actions  

So based on the Baseball Reference article

High OBP at the top of the lineup? That’s crazy talk!

by osierra11 on Aug 17, 2011 8:00 AM MDT reply actions  

I prefer it in the 8 hole myself

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by TomCat009 on Aug 17, 2011 10:16 AM MDT up reply actions  

speak for yourself

"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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by Resolution on Aug 17, 2011 10:18 AM MDT up reply actions  

I went to post a week back and my auto complete wanted me to say

“I think he fits into the two hole perfectly” I don’t ever remember saying that but I really chould be more careful what I write

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by TomCat009 on Aug 17, 2011 10:37 AM MDT up reply actions  

auto complete is a humbling beast, as is auto correct

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by Resolution on Aug 17, 2011 10:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

Even if we all knew it was coming, it's great to have Pomeranz officially in the organization

Now he can officially move on and continue that rapid progression to the big leagues. I’m really hoping he gets a shot in September, and am looking at tonight as the start of a long, successful Rox career.

by mattrob on Aug 17, 2011 8:02 AM MDT reply actions  

Wait, how did you know this was coming?

Did you have some super secret double probation decoder ring?

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by SDcat09 on Aug 17, 2011 8:06 AM MDT up reply actions  

RBIs don't mean anything

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by Yokel on Aug 17, 2011 8:07 AM MDT reply actions  

I thought we wanted players with a little more edge and bite?

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by SDcat09 on Aug 17, 2011 8:39 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Needs more purple Pom

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by SDcat09 on Aug 17, 2011 8:38 AM MDT up reply actions  

needs more Panda Pom

because when you look at it really quick, the “m” looks like a “rn”

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by Andrew Martin on Aug 17, 2011 10:12 AM MDT up reply actions  

Indeed it does

I have to really remind myself that it does in fact say P-O-M

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by SDcat09 on Aug 17, 2011 10:20 AM MDT up reply actions  

Trust me. It's better, because

you really don’t want to be in my head when I confuse pom and p0rn

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by SDcat09 on Aug 17, 2011 10:37 AM MDT up reply actions  

LOL. Maybe so

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by SDcat09 on Aug 17, 2011 10:43 AM MDT up reply actions  

Nice...bahahaha

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by SDcat09 on Aug 17, 2011 10:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

Drew Porneranz

"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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by Resolution on Aug 17, 2011 10:28 AM MDT up reply actions  

I've been typing it this way for two weeks

I’m not sure anybody ever noticed…

We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!

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by Junction Rox on Aug 17, 2011 10:37 AM MDT up reply actions  

About 8 years away

Society better still exist by then, because that’s right in the middle of the White/Porneranz & Tulo/CarGo wheelhouse…

Someone buy this man a steak!

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by Resolution on Aug 17, 2011 10:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

Okay this is awesome

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by SDcat09 on Aug 17, 2011 10:37 AM MDT up reply actions  

Wrong

Drew pRoneranz

Get well soon Juan.

by Thnikkaman on Aug 17, 2011 11:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

Pomorade sounds great

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by ROK Rox on Aug 17, 2011 8:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

Pomsi ftw

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by Resolution on Aug 17, 2011 9:12 AM MDT up reply actions  

I hope he has that tattooed somewhere on him

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by Resolution on Aug 17, 2011 9:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

Pomeranz ETA

The expectations on Pomeranz are unrealistic. He’s not going to be in Denver in 2011 or early 2012. He just touched AA before being traded. He hasn’t faced smarter, better hitters yet who will hurt him if his control doesn’t improve.

Pomeranz is a plus-prospect at this point but he still has to prove it at Tulsa, then altitude at the Springs )although Juan Nicasio skipped AAA) and Denver.

After the all-star break, maybe even late 2012 is likely a truer timetable for a Pomeranz MLB debut, although that too might be premature.

Alex White is the trade piece to focus on as he should be in Denver much sooner.

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by Mjay424 on Aug 17, 2011 8:54 AM MDT reply actions  

there's no way in hell that Pomeranz pitches in AAA Colorado Springs. None.

I think you are severely undervaluing Pomeranz’s polish. He’s an advanced pitcher who has dominated the minors and doesn’t need to sit in AA for long. Bumping him up quickly to the majors was Cleveland’s plan, and the Rockies have given similar hints.

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by Muzia on Aug 17, 2011 8:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

he's on a similar track to Trever Bauer, Arizona's top pick this year.

He’s tearing up Hi-A right now, and will probably be a September callup with less than two months of pro ball experience.

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by Muzia on Aug 17, 2011 9:00 AM MDT up reply actions  

crap, Bauer just made his first AA start this week. Wow.

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by Muzia on Aug 17, 2011 9:01 AM MDT up reply actions  

h4x

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by Resolution on Aug 17, 2011 9:03 AM MDT up reply actions  

Anyone read the SI article on him?

It’s fascinating. The amount of work he does to develop and refine his mechanics on his own initiative is staggering for a 20-year-old.

by steakman on Aug 17, 2011 9:43 AM MDT up reply actions  

ummm...

not really

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by black_knight101 on Aug 17, 2011 11:08 AM MDT up reply actions  

it's become significantly worse the past four years

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by Muzia on Aug 17, 2011 11:10 AM MDT up reply actions  

Right,

That’s why I said “at this point.” It didn’t used to be like this. But the last few years seem to be trending in this direction.

by DumbAndNerdy on Aug 17, 2011 11:12 AM MDT up reply actions  

Colorado Springs Organ Bank

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by Resolution on Aug 17, 2011 11:13 AM MDT up reply actions  

CSOB...that's about right

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by SDcat09 on Aug 17, 2011 11:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

We know

We were reiterating it to black_knight

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by Andrew Martin on Aug 17, 2011 11:13 AM MDT up reply actions  

I know that you know.

I was reiterating it to black_knight.

by DumbAndNerdy on Aug 17, 2011 11:14 AM MDT up reply actions  

well I know that you knew that I know

damn the threaded nature of message boards

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by Andrew Martin on Aug 17, 2011 11:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

just z past it. easier

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by SDcat09 on Aug 17, 2011 11:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

but is that a function of the organizations decision making...

or the prospects themselves?

tell me if I’m wrong, but the only top prospects that have made regular MLB starts since then are Chacin, Nicasio, and Rogers. Chacin made 11 starts in AAA (in line with what you said), Nicasio skipped AAA altogether because of needs at the MLB level, and Rogers has made plenty of starts at AAA.

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by black_knight101 on Aug 17, 2011 11:17 AM MDT up reply actions  

in fact Rogers was pushed from AA to AAA in 2009

because he was dominating in AA

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by black_knight101 on Aug 17, 2011 11:18 AM MDT up reply actions  

Chacin originally skipped AAA on his first callup to the bigs

when he was sent back is when he first went to AAA.

I dont know about Rogers. Cant remember

by purplesocks on Aug 17, 2011 11:18 AM MDT up reply actions  

right. and I think how we handled Chacin may be how we handle Pomeranz/White

allow them to pitch at the MLB level, but won’t be afraid to send them to AAA if they need more time in the minors (although it never really seemed to me that Chacin needed much more time in the minors)

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by black_knight101 on Aug 17, 2011 11:20 AM MDT up reply actions  

yes that's right

I’m just not sure that the Springs will continue to be one of the most boring minor league teams in baseball as it has been this year. Part of the reason there’s not any talented guys there right now is because of how the Rockies have drafted in the past, and a couple of weird situations (Rosario would probably be in AAA if not for injury, Friedrich as well…). Plus the humidor is going to be there next year…maybe elite pitching prospects like Pomeranz/White won’t pitch in AAA, but guys like Friedrich and Bettis probably will.

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by black_knight101 on Aug 17, 2011 11:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

I wonder if this will change

given that Dick Monfort has said there will be a humidor at Security Service Field even if the Rockies have to pay for it.

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by RoarFrom112 on Aug 17, 2011 11:20 AM MDT up reply actions  

Cool. The sooner, the better as far as I'm concerned.

Feels like the Rox are running the organization at a huge disadvantage if they don’t think they can/should send anybody to AAA.

by blooming rock on Aug 17, 2011 3:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Exactly

Though, to be fair, it wont solve all the problems with the PCL being a hitter-friendly league. You still have the actual altitude and there are plenty of other dry parks in the league (Albuquerque, Reno, Las Vegas, Salt Lake, Tucson). But yeah, if the Rockies are afraid to send serious pitching prospects to AAA it’s a serious problem so it’s at least a step in the right direction.

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by RoarFrom112 on Aug 17, 2011 3:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

And ABQ is still a mile high

With Reno and SLC being around just 1,000 feet lower.

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by Yokel on Aug 17, 2011 3:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

I disagree

I expect the club to fast track him to the majors and let him make his debut in September. There is zero indications that he can’t make the jump now.

by mkorpal on Aug 17, 2011 8:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

That my thoughts

I would rather him have a small audition with the Rockies in September than sent him to Colorado Springs. Then see what he does in spring training to find him a place.

by Rosenort on Aug 17, 2011 9:01 AM MDT up reply actions  

There is really

almost zero reason for any top prospect to go to the Springs. It’s a flat out joke of a team.

by mkorpal on Aug 17, 2011 9:05 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Exactly...

If you’re top prospect, you won’t see the Springs.

by osierra11 on Aug 17, 2011 9:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

...in a flat-out joke of a league.

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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 17, 2011 2:40 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

With JDLR and probably Nicasio out to shart the season

Pom will be in the rotation on Opening Day. He might not stay there, and might get sent back down to Tulsa for more polish, but the organization wants to compete in 2012, and needs a rotation to start 2012. Ergo, Pom will be in that rotation.

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by Yokel on Aug 17, 2011 10:31 AM MDT up reply actions  

shart?

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by hotdoglady on Aug 17, 2011 10:32 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

lololololololololol

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by Resolution on Aug 17, 2011 10:35 AM MDT up reply actions  

dammit.

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by Yokel on Aug 17, 2011 10:36 AM MDT up reply actions  

We're going to shart another season?

We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!

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by Junction Rox on Aug 17, 2011 10:38 AM MDT up reply actions  

Is Wiggy still going to be on the team?

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by Yokel on Aug 17, 2011 10:39 AM MDT up reply actions   2 recs

I think he implying that next season will be just like this one

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by TomCat009 on Aug 17, 2011 10:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

He's probably right :(

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by SDcat09 on Aug 17, 2011 10:45 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Brilliant really.

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by SDcat09 on Aug 17, 2011 10:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

We might be able to get by with a 4 man rotation early on

Chacin, White, Hammel, Esmil would probably occur. If we need a 5th starter, I still get the feeling it wouldn’t be Pom

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by Resolution on Aug 17, 2011 10:37 AM MDT up reply actions  

Our bullpen would be dead with those four

we really need a solid innings eater back end starter

by Rosenort on Aug 17, 2011 10:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

Aarom Cook/Kevin Millwood!

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by Muzia on Aug 17, 2011 10:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

Adding an OM to Aaron's name

will not make me think of p0rn or p0m when Cookie’s involved. I don’t care how hard you try.

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by SDcat09 on Aug 17, 2011 10:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

I agree

but I’d have a hard time saying Pom will be in the starting rotation game #1 next year with a month left of this season and a whole offseason between now and then…We can get bullpen help/longmen/whatever to cushion us…

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by Resolution on Aug 17, 2011 10:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

Your website (assuming it is yours)

claims that Rockies should have drafted Josh Bell and paid him the 5 million, because he has a far superior upside than Anderson, and it is the “type of offensive force Colorado desperately needs…”

I don’t think you draft a HS slugger when you have a need for offensive force. There is no telling how this offense will be in 3/4/5 years.

I also think you are wrong about Pomeranz.

by roxintober on Aug 17, 2011 9:17 AM MDT up reply actions  

Wow.

I mean, I think it would have been great to get Bell too. But there’s so much hindsight in that comment that it’s silly. There’s a reason why Pittsburgh stole him at the 61st pick. Most thought he wasn’t going to sign. Others weren’t willing to pay for two first-rounders.

by DumbAndNerdy on Aug 17, 2011 9:24 AM MDT up reply actions  

would've been cool if

we could have gotten a pick for losing Olivo and used it to draft Bell

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by Resolution on Aug 17, 2011 9:24 AM MDT up reply actions  

Very much

But, we didn’t. Too bad.

by mkorpal on Aug 17, 2011 9:31 AM MDT up reply actions  

or Hawpe

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by TomCat009 on Aug 17, 2011 10:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

Eh he shoulda been traded for a few relievers at whatever time it was where I was all about this hypothetical...

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by Resolution on Aug 17, 2011 10:39 AM MDT up reply actions  

Eh he shoulda been traded for a few relievers at whatever time it was where I was all about this hypothetical...

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by Resolution on Aug 17, 2011 10:39 AM MDT up reply actions  

I also disagree with several other points

Cabrera is not the best lefty pitcher in the system, and will not see Coors Field as a starter in 2012.

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by Muzia on Aug 17, 2011 9:29 AM MDT up reply actions  

"until Pomeranz proves otherwise"

Ha, what? So, the fact that he was absolutely dominate in Cleveland’s system and was in the top 20 on Baseball America’s top prospect list doesn’t mean anything at all????

No, I like Cabrera, but he is the one that has to prove to me. He has to prove that he can get legit batters out at higher levels.

by mkorpal on Aug 17, 2011 9:36 AM MDT up reply actions  

*dominant

Dominate is a verb, meaning to utterly overwhelm and defeat.

Dominant is an adjective, meaning “having the capability to regularly dominate”

I say this out of love to you and anyone else who makes this mistake.

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by Andrew Martin on Aug 17, 2011 9:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

Damn it Andrew

I’m taking away your grammar police badge. Now please hand in your grammar police gun and your grammar police handcuffs.

by mkorpal on Aug 17, 2011 9:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

Nope.

Dominant is too awesome of a word to be misspelled.

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by Andrew Martin on Aug 17, 2011 10:00 AM MDT up reply actions  

Sorry

it does not induce awe.

by mkorpal on Aug 17, 2011 10:02 AM MDT up reply actions  

It does when spelled correctly

dominant is a word that is reserved for the top flight pitchers in baseball. It needs to be used properly.

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by Andrew Martin on Aug 17, 2011 10:03 AM MDT up reply actions  

That settles it my wife has our 3rd boy due in Oct

if her friend can name her boy Brazen then damnit I am nameing this one Dominant Wilson

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by TomCat009 on Aug 17, 2011 10:33 AM MDT up reply actions  

Better name than recessive.

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by Yokel on Aug 17, 2011 10:37 AM MDT up reply actions  

He can go by Dom

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by Resolution on Aug 17, 2011 10:39 AM MDT up reply actions  

Well both Grandma's are lefty's

and my wife’s brother is 6’7" ginger so maybe I will have the next Roy Halladay on my hands

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by TomCat009 on Aug 17, 2011 10:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

What a brazen thing to do!

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by Yokel on Aug 17, 2011 10:43 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yep

and to everyone’s surprise he is an aggressive little S

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by TomCat009 on Aug 17, 2011 10:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

does the S stand for Shart?

because these Rockpiles need that word a lot more than they’ve historically featured it….

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by Resolution on Aug 17, 2011 10:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

Brazen Shart

best baseball name ever

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by SDcat09 on Aug 17, 2011 10:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

OMIGOD

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by Muzia on Aug 17, 2011 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

These are not mutually exclusive.

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by SDcat09 on Aug 17, 2011 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

Also, depends on the size of the bat

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by SDcat09 on Aug 17, 2011 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

I am what I am

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by SDcat09 on Aug 17, 2011 11:02 AM MDT up reply actions  

Well that was certainly helpful

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by SDcat09 on Aug 17, 2011 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yo

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by SDcat09 on Aug 17, 2011 11:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

If a friend can't help you out in those moments

well that’s not much of a friend

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by SDcat09 on Aug 17, 2011 11:27 AM MDT up reply actions  

The cat.

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by hotdoglady on Aug 17, 2011 11:29 AM MDT up reply actions  

Dick Pole ans Stubby Clapp disagree

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by TomCat009 on Aug 17, 2011 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

Good point

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by SDcat09 on Aug 17, 2011 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

These 2 want to join

Pat McCrotch and Harry Dick

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by Roxman4ever on Aug 17, 2011 11:13 AM MDT up reply actions  

he's a loose grammar cannon

you knew that when he was brought on the force.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 17, 2011 10:01 AM MDT up reply actions  

he is very dominate.

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by hotdoglady on Aug 17, 2011 10:01 AM MDT up reply actions  

You beat women?

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by Muzia on Aug 17, 2011 10:05 AM MDT up reply actions  

He's a little busy these days

trying to keep Baylor in some type of relevant athletic conference…

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by Junction Rox on Aug 17, 2011 10:39 AM MDT up reply actions  

They can join the MWC.

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by Yokel on Aug 17, 2011 10:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

I think you missed something there...

trying to keep Baylor in some type of relevant athletic conference…

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by Junction Rox on Aug 17, 2011 10:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

When Kansas and K State join

It’ll be a basketball conference to rival the Big East in the west.

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by Yokel on Aug 17, 2011 10:43 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Okay, Baylor can join the Texas Conference

We all know that’s what UT really wants.

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by Yokel on Aug 17, 2011 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions  

Baylor is a bench coach now

he’s still relevant…

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by Resolution on Aug 17, 2011 11:10 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yup

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by Junction Rox on Aug 17, 2011 1:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

I can't even see how you could make it

“-ate” is a verb ending. “-ant” is an adjectival ending. They’re never used in the same way. Sorry to be a grammar snob but I just don’t gt it!

by biondino on Aug 18, 2011 6:22 AM MDT up reply actions  

Fixed.

Ha, what? So, the fact that he was absolutely dominate a dominatrix in Cleveland’s system and was in the top 20 on Baseball America’s top prospect list doesn’t mean anything at all????

by DumbAndNerdy on Aug 17, 2011 11:03 AM MDT up reply actions  

o_O

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by SDcat09 on Aug 17, 2011 11:05 AM MDT up reply actions  

He's 23 in High A

He needs to move to AA quickly to see what we really have there. Although I wouldn’t mind using him as trade bait if some other organization thinks really highly of him.

by osierra11 on Aug 17, 2011 9:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

and he's moved on the strength of his plus changeup

the rest of his pitches are average. LOOGY, not starter.

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by Muzia on Aug 17, 2011 9:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

I think he can be a starter

but certainly not a top of the rotation type of guy. More of a back of the rotation inning eater. Success will depend on how much sink he gets on his fastball.

by mkorpal on Aug 17, 2011 10:01 AM MDT up reply actions  

I would definitely trade a LOOGY

but i’ll leave the scouting report to you and mkorpal

by osierra11 on Aug 17, 2011 10:07 AM MDT up reply actions  

not sure where you're getting your info

But the indians were planning on calling up white AND pomeranz this September, even if they were still in the race for the division.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 17, 2011 9:44 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

why do you hate our prospects

the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox

lets just use our 2012 money for something good and not another wigginton

by papality on Aug 17, 2011 6:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

Re: RBI

Is it really a surprise that our near-triple-crown LF is in the “shoulda woulda” top-RBI club?

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by Andrew Martin on Aug 17, 2011 9:47 AM MDT reply actions  

Most Driven In: Self 19, D Fowler 18, J Herrera 5, T Wigginton 4, S Smith 4, E Young 3, R Spilborghs 3, C Blackmon 3, …

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by Muzia on Aug 17, 2011 10:06 AM MDT up reply actions  

Baseball Reference

go to Game Logs, 2011.

It’s right below Player profile

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by Muzia on Aug 17, 2011 10:13 AM MDT up reply actions  

cool, thanks muzia

this is why I enjoy PR. I come here to read and learn

by purplesocks on Aug 17, 2011 10:16 AM MDT up reply actions  

He gets on base

but only with two outs and in front of pitchers. So, I guess it don’t matter none.

by mkorpal on Aug 17, 2011 10:08 AM MDT up reply actions  

...maybe he should bat 9th or something

that’s crazy that Blackmon and Young are there before CDI.

Smells like wasted opportunity to me…

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by Resolution on Aug 17, 2011 10:13 AM MDT up reply actions  

when you say that, you mean

2 outs, pitcher coming up to explain this right?

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by Resolution on Aug 17, 2011 10:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

I mean, it makes sense

CarGo has batted 3rd more than leadoff, and CDI doesn’t play every day.

But still, I feel like something is wrong when a guy has a .380 obp and hasn’t been driven in by our leadoff/3rd spot hitter. There’s gotta be a way to benefit from CDI’s OBP skills more than what we’re currently doing…

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by Resolution on Aug 17, 2011 11:38 AM MDT up reply actions  

CDI OBPs

0 outs: .321
1 out: .384
2 outs: .429

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by black_knight101 on Aug 17, 2011 12:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

nvm i found it

Iannetta definitely is a better than average 8 hole hitter, that’s safe to say

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by black_knight101 on Aug 17, 2011 12:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

I consider myself a CDI fan

but I think a decent chunk of his OBP can be explained by hitting in front of the pitcher. With two outs, opponents are willing to let him take a base. I think he would still provide decent OBP from another spot, just not what we’ve seen.

by RoxnSox09 on Aug 17, 2011 12:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

absolutely

pitchers just don’t bother challenging him with 2 outs. he has enough power that it’s probably a bad idea. I actually think he’s a good fit for the 8th spot in the order because of this, but I may be the only person on PR that thinks so.

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by black_knight101 on Aug 17, 2011 12:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

everything else would look better though

nice to see what he could do if they had to pitch to him

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by TomCat009 on Aug 17, 2011 12:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

no better time than the present

I fully agree with the reasoning that has him holding down the 8-hole for a contender, but right now might as well move him up to 6 and see how he performs.

by Teekalong on Aug 17, 2011 1:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

Exactly

I really like what CDI has done in the 8 hole, but not when it’s at the expense of putting Mark Ellis or Johnny Herrera higher in the order (although I’ve been ok with Ellis in the 2 hole…)

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by Junction Rox on Aug 17, 2011 1:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

the 2 hole is the only place that ellis has actually hit well in this year

.323/.368/.505/.873

everywhere else he has sucked. granted its all SSS as he only has 106 PAs in the 2 hole and 164 in the 7th,55 in the 6th, 31 in the 5th and that’s essentially it

by purplesocks on Aug 17, 2011 4:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think the SS on him getting on base with 2 outs

is a lot smaller than when he gets on base with 1 out.

Just guessing, because looking at his season’s OBP (.378), it seems that’s the case.

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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 17, 2011 12:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

theres just a 13 PA difference

0 Outs: 114 PAs
1 Out: 125 PAs
2 Outs: 112 PAs

by purplesocks on Aug 17, 2011 12:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

that my friends is what we call Standard Distribution

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by TomCat009 on Aug 17, 2011 12:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

So help me out here

RBI don’t mean anything, unless Carlos has too few of them. In which case, it’s because Jim Tracy batted him leadoff?

I still don’t get the disdain for batting Carlos #1, as long as Helton is holding his own as a #3 hitter. The 2009 team reached 92 wins using that lineup, and they played some of their better baseball this year using that lineup.

Whether it seems like a waste of Carlos’ power or not, I would write Gonzales-Fowler-Helton-Tulo-Smith on the lineup card until a better alternative surfaces – and save the tweaking for the lower third of the order.

by Northsider1964 on Aug 17, 2011 2:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

Don't look at it as "Carlos Gonzalez' RBI total" so much as "runs that were scored based on lineup construction"

I know it’s kind of silly and a way to scapegoat a manager further, but truth of the matter is that good lineup construction will score a few more runs for your team.

I like the top 5 you suggest.

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by Andrew Martin on Aug 17, 2011 2:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

The reason I don't like CarGo in leadoff

is mostly because of what it does to the lineup farther down. Once you get past Seth in the 5 hole, your 6/7 hitters aren’t very exciting. Ellis? Nelson? Herrera? Assuming CDI isn’t coming out of the 8 hole, your 5 hitter has basically nothing behind him (best case scenario is Wiffy. Nuff said?). I’m a lot better with Dex leading off and one of those other guys in the 2 hole where just moving a runner can be part of the job description. Then you can put CarGo at 3 and Helton/Smith 5/6. You’ve still got a hole in the 7 spot, but at least you don’t have 2 holes right behind your #5 hitter.

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by Junction Rox on Aug 17, 2011 3:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

But you're avoiding that hole behind your #5 hitter

by 1.) batting a AAA player in the leadoff spot, or 2.) batting Dexter leadoff with a below-average player in the #2 spot. Too large a price to pay, in my opinion.

I just think the team was actually showing some offensive life with Carlos in the leadoff spot, with Carlos himself leading the way. Then he crashed into a wall, went on the DL, and went back into the #3 hole for no apparent reason.

by Northsider1964 on Aug 17, 2011 3:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

So Dex is a AAA hitter, now?

Numbers aren’t much worse than his rookie season . . . which were suprisingly good.

That said, he’s a #2, not a leadoff, IMO.

by blooming rock on Aug 17, 2011 4:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

there's two solutions to the problem we have going forward

we either need another OBP/speed guy to hit leadoff (Blackmon?)
or another power guy to bat 5th so that CarGo can bat leadoff. (Wheeler?).

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by black_knight101 on Aug 17, 2011 4:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

I have much more faith in Dex

leading off than I have in Wiffy, Ellis or Herrera hitting 6th. There is no comparison, IMO.

I have no idea why Junior is not in Colorado Springs, so he isn’t part of the equation for me…

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by Junction Rox on Aug 17, 2011 4:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

FREE CHRIS NELSON!!!!!!!

er, wait….

free Ryan Rohlinger? Free Brad Emaus?

Yeah, I got nothin….

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by Junction Rox on Aug 17, 2011 4:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'd take Chris Nelson at 6

He’s looked pretty decent lately. Put Ellis/Wiffy at 7, then CDI at 8 so you’ve got a not-out between 7 and 9, and I think it’s passable for now.

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by Yokel on Aug 17, 2011 3:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think I'm liking the idea of CDI batting 9th more and more

you know, his OBP + CarGo’s power and all that….

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by Resolution on Aug 17, 2011 3:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

Now that I think about it,

when I was reading “The Book” it was talking about how batting your 8 hole hitter 9th and your pitcher 8th will score you like 3 more runs over the course of the season – clearly not that big of a deal, though it technically is a more optimal lineup.

But, thinking about it further, this analysis was based off of whatever crappy numbers they used for the ‘typical 8th hitter’. CDI is not the typical 8th hitter with that OBP and his power.

His OBP would play pretty well at the top of the lineup and his power would play better late in games when the pitcher is being pinch hit for.

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by Resolution on Aug 17, 2011 3:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

Too bad it'll never ever never happen.

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by Muzia on Aug 17, 2011 3:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

Please select one of the following choices

1. Due to Jim Tracy
2. Due to the organizational culture
3. Due to you’re a cynical, cynical man

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by Resolution on Aug 17, 2011 3:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yep.
Yep.
Yep.

You forget that second basemen have to bat second and catchers have to bat eighth

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by Muzia on Aug 17, 2011 4:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

sowwieee

I was hoping you would just say #1 which means it could happen at some point. Booooooo

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by Resolution on Aug 17, 2011 4:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

(* catchers may bat cleanup if they are the backup catcher and it’s a day game)

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by RoarFrom112 on Aug 17, 2011 4:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

.

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by Muzia on Aug 17, 2011 4:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

So you get

Cargo
Dex
Todd
Tulo
Smith
Nelson
Ellis/Wiggy (aka “Not Nelson”)
P
CDI

I like Ellis before the Pitcher better than Wiggy. But if Nelson cleans the bases, Wiggy would be fine there, too.

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by Yokel on Aug 17, 2011 3:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

No opposing pitcher is scared of Chris Nelson

As much as we tend to love him around here, he really hasn’t exactly exploded on the scene. No power threat (10 HR power predictions don’t mean anything until he actually shows it…), not a great batting average even. With Nelson in the 6 hole, Smith isn’t going to see anything good to hit, especially if Ellis or Herrera is behind Nelson in the 7 hole.

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by Junction Rox on Aug 17, 2011 4:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

who's our left fielder again?

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by bishoPurple on Aug 17, 2011 9:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

oh thank God...I was afraid AMart meant Wiggy

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by bishoPurple on Aug 17, 2011 9:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

i dunno, i think tulo's got a pretty good angle on that last category

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lets just use our 2012 money for something good and not another wigginton

by papality on Aug 17, 2011 6:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah I thought that wording was a bit weird

When I read that I immediately thought, ok so its not Tulo or Cargo. Maybe its Seth Smith or Todd Helton?

by purplesocks on Aug 17, 2011 10:00 AM MDT up reply actions  

that's what booze is for yo

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by Resolution on Aug 17, 2011 11:10 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

The muscle relaxant

or the clothing line of women’s intimates?

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by Resolution on Aug 17, 2011 11:12 AM MDT up reply actions  

real talk

"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker

by Resolution on Aug 17, 2011 11:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

Or the Smashing Pumpkins song?

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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 17, 2011 2:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

or the punk club in San Diego (thank you google)

"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker

by Resolution on Aug 17, 2011 3:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

Curious question

how does on create a negative FIP?….. Edwin Carl……. Also that has to be the best K/BB ratio ever (in any professional league)

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by dsmba on Aug 17, 2011 11:42 AM MDT reply actions  

Matt Reynolds had a negative FIP for part of April

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 17, 2011 11:45 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think we can safely say that even if it is 27 innings

that he has proved all he needs to prove in rookie ball

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by TomCat009 on Aug 17, 2011 12:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

that game log is ridiculous

he has two appearances where he fails to strike out at least two batters.

2 out of 18.

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by Muzia on Aug 17, 2011 12:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

lol and one is for .1 of an inning

"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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by Resolution on Aug 17, 2011 12:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

27 IP, 58 K

hahahahaha.

O_O

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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 17, 2011 12:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

It can't be fun to come to the plate against that guy right now

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by TomCat009 on Aug 17, 2011 12:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

negative FIP is impressive as hell

i’ve had some seasons close to 0 on MLB2k11, but damn…

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lets just use our 2012 money for something good and not another wigginton

by papality on Aug 17, 2011 6:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

giggity

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by SDcat09 on Aug 17, 2011 2:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

Anybody interested in tonight's game?

I have 3 tickets, thanks to bailing friends, for $12 apiece. Section U331.

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by Andrew Martin on Aug 17, 2011 3:17 PM MDT reply actions  

If only I were there. I'd be all over it

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by SDcat09 on Aug 17, 2011 3:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

no, this just happened

3 people emailed within about 5 minutes “uhhhhh I can’t make it.”

He even said something like “I’d take yours, but I’m already going”

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by Andrew Martin on Aug 17, 2011 3:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

the most interesting game tonight is happening in Tulsa :-/

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by Muzia on Aug 17, 2011 3:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

its on MiLB.tv if anybody has it

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by black_knight101 on Aug 17, 2011 3:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

I do, but I'll be at Coors

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by Muzia on Aug 17, 2011 3:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

ah ok

well Renck is at the game in Tulsa, so we’ll get to hear his report

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by black_knight101 on Aug 17, 2011 3:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yep

There for Pom and White’s starts

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by nodakroxfan on Aug 17, 2011 4:51 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Tracy (oddly) sticking with the same lineup two days in a row

Fowler8, Ellis4, Gonzalez9, Tulowitzki6, Helton3, Smith7, Nelson5, Iannetta2, Cook1.

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by black_knight101 on Aug 17, 2011 3:58 PM MDT reply actions  

Well, it worked last nig---

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by Muzia on Aug 17, 2011 4:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

heeeeeey

the 2b is batting second and the catcher is batting 8th!! You’re on to something buddy!

"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker

by Resolution on Aug 17, 2011 4:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

as if there's another option

the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox

lets just use our 2012 money for something good and not another wigginton

by papality on Aug 17, 2011 6:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

it would have worked a lot better

if Fowler and Ellis would have just gotten on base at least once each…

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by black_knight101 on Aug 17, 2011 4:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

Nah

Then Tulo and CarGo would have just hit their homers in some other inning.

This team is seriously too predictable. Last night at the game, the first time Tulo came up, I said to my father-in-law “there’s no one on base. He’ll probably hit it out”. BAM! The next time, I said “there’s still no one on base. He already hit a homer. Probably a double”. BAM! Sadly, I missed the next two though (correctly predicted outs because there were base runners, but missed the specific types of outs – I called a pop-up and a strikeout). I guess I should hold off on that move to Vegas…

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by RoarFrom112 on Aug 17, 2011 4:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

If its early in the game, I would not bet against Tulo with men on base

He has hit slightly better with men on than bases empty this year. Late in the game though…

by purplesocks on Aug 17, 2011 4:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

Someday I'll figure out how to do a split with go-ahead/tying run on base verses not

Based on personal observation, that’s where I think his K% goes up due to an expanded strike zone and the rest of his numbers go down. I can’t prove it though, so it could very easily be confirmation bias.

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by RoarFrom112 on Aug 17, 2011 4:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

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