Chris Iannetta, why so much disdain for him?
by hcubed on Aug 18, 2011 9:28 PM MDT
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HEZ AWFUL BECAUSE BATTING AVERAGE IS REALLY IMPORTANT AND HE ONLY HITS LIKE .150
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Technically is career batting avg is .235, not .150.
Though .235 is nothing to be proud of. Actually, if that had been my batting avg in little league I would have been ecstatic. Come to think of it, .150 would have been pretty good for me also. But I get your point. His OBP of .378 is very impressive.
I wonder how much better his batting avg would be if he had better protection behind him than a weak hitting pitcher. For instance, say if he was hitting in the 2nd position in the batting order with Cargo, Tulo, and Helton behind him, would he have better pitches to hit (and would he take advantage of them) since the pitcher can no longer pitch around him to get to an easy out.
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Batting 8th has the potential to both hurt Iannetta's average and bring up his OBP
And since he’s a low BA, high OBP gut to begin with, it just makes his numbers even wilder. The problem for the opposing pitcher here is that they have to deal with a guy who has some power with the pitcher is coming up next – so they tend to not give him much to hit. Iannetta, who has outstanding plate discipline, they takes this and turns it into even more walks.
So for this year alone, you end up with a guy whose OBP is 141 points higher than his BA.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 19, 2011 8:37 AM MDT up reply actions
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 9:18 AM MDT up reply actions
Dude
You have no idea what you’re playing with here. A PR war was started in 2009 largely because of Chris Iannetta’s high OBP, low batting average hitting style.
I see this a sign that “Catcher WARS II” may not be all that far away.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 18, 2011 11:08 PM MDT reply actions
I fall on the side of this team.
Just an average guy with exceptional hair. Nothing more, nothing less.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 19, 2011 10:49 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm on Team Doomstache
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TEAM IANNETTA!!
I thought I was the only one, until I discovered PR>
I love sequels and prequels!
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Oh, we're well past II by now. It's closer to V or VI by now
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I consider the others brushfire wars
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 19, 2011 8:28 AM MDT up reply actions
Border skirmishes you might say
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Nah, Rosario hasn't brought anything to the table yet.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 9:18 AM MDT up reply actions
I think I can settle Catcher War I once and for all
Forget about OBP, SLG, WOBA, and all those fancy stats. Pro-rate YT’s raw totals to 350, plate appearances, which is what Chris had. Yorvit’s totals become:
31 bb/hbp, 69 1b, 16 2b, 1 3b, 3 hr, 39 run, 45 rbi
CDI’s totals that year in 350 pa’s:
54, 33, 15, 2, 16 hr, 41 run, 52 rbi.
You tell me which is better?
Can you put that in terms of fancy stats?
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 12:25 PM MDT up reply actions
ah, excellent
I feel fancier now.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 20, 2011 12:07 AM MDT up reply actions
I don't think Catcher Wars was about the future....
It was about who was the better man to be behind the plate during the 2009 stretch drive. And it had a lot to do with YT’s fire, his connection to the pitching staff and his consistency. I was on Team Yorvit then, and I believe I chose the right side. But, whatever, that’s irrelevant now.
However, if the argument was “who will be the better catcher in 2011”, Id have switched sides in a hurry. But that’s not what I recall discussing.
I'll correct myself....
Just realized you were using 2009 stats, not current. My bad — so strike part of my comment.
I will say this, though — my take on Yorvit had more to do with non-statistical intangibles. He was one of the “heart & soul” guys on that team. Lots of fire, lots of great energy…basically the kind of guy I wish the Rox had more of right now. For a stretch run, you’ve gotta have guys like that, and he fit the bill wonderfully.
Like I said, it wasn’t about “who’s the most talented catcher”, it was about “who gives us a better chance to sustain this run and get us into the post-season.” For reasons that don’t show up on paper, I’m convinced it was Torrealba.
As I said though, water long, long under the bridge.
I agree with your point about Yorvi's fire
We definitely need more people with fire in their bellies on the current Rockies team.
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simple mistake, we all make it.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 20, 2011 12:07 AM MDT up reply actions
iannetta
because there’s almost no difference in the times they reach base with those numbers, but iannetta’s 16 home runs make him far more valuable in a stat sense.
now, do i think torrealba was the real-world better bet, for some weird reasons that the fangraphs reader in me is trying to eat? yes, i do.
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The first part
is exactly the point I was making.
I'm very happy to have Iannetta catching for us
And would like him given more of a chance to make his bat count. However, he’s not so good that I’m not excited about the anticipated rise of Rosario. I don’t think we’re in a terrible position regarding catchers (with Pacheco the McKenry, waiting in the wings to be a perfectly decent reserve catcher when necessary, and Swanner being raw but exciting in the lower levels).
I am excited about the talent we have at the catching position also.
Whomever the Rockies choose, I will root for them to be the best they can be.
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I personally have zero faith in Pacheco.
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Yeah, the way he's completely blown it in AAA - in the PCL - in Colorado Springs - is perplexing.
Just an average guy with exceptional hair. Nothing more, nothing less.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 19, 2011 10:47 AM MDT up reply actions
I think the two sides come down, essentially, to this:
Pro-Iannetta folks tend to grade on a curve (i.e. compared to other catchers, his numbers do look good)
Anti-Iannetta folks don’t (or they compare him to what, historically, has been considered “good” offensive numbers for the position, not what’s been done recently).
On the one hand, the catcher position throughout baseball has been so completely degraded offensively that ANY positives (such as Iannetta’s OBP) have to be appreciated and applauded. OTOH, coming up as a youngster, many people looked at Iannetta and thought – this guy could be a 25-30 HR, 90 RBI kinda guy. But he’s not, and so he’s considered a disappointment.
I’ve been in the latter category, I suppose. But I’ve come to appreciate that, in these times of catcher scarcity, you should be happy to have a receiver who can help you at all offensively. So he’s fine. He’ll do. And I do like him behind the plate. But I still have hope that the era of Carlton Fisks, Johnny Benches and Gary Carters will return, and we’ll get someone like that someday. Until then, sure, Iannetta’s OK.
He'd be at those numbers
or close to it, if he was getting 600 plate appearances per year. His per 162 averages are 23 and 84.
Yeah, kinda, sorta
It’s a bit misleading to extrapolate any catcher’s numbers to 162, as even workhorse guys typically start 130 or so games a year. But, OK, point taken.
As I said, I’ve come around to him, at least insofar as I don’t view him as a problem. The position can be upgraded, but until then, as I said, he’ll do just fine.
I think you missed the mark just a bit with this
In a sense, yeah, you’re right about the whole Relative grading vs Absolute grading.
But a big chunk of the catcher wars boiled down to classical evaluation (AVG, RBI, HR) and the newer methods of statistical eval (OPS/wOBA/WAR).
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 12:29 PM MDT up reply actions
What I was getting at was...
that Iannetta’s defenses almost always include his rankings vis a vis other catchers, rather than his rankings vis a vis other offensive players in general. That’s fine — it’s the traditional way of measuring a player. But when a position has been so degraded offensively as catcher has, saying so-and-so ranks 3rd among catchers for whatever stat is really damning with faint praise.
None of this is Iannetta’s fault, he’s just a guy doing his job. And, compared to other catchers of his time, he’s a solid offensive catcher. Compared historically to his position, he’s not.
But we don’t live in history, and so he’s as good a fit as we’re likely to find back there until and unless someone better comes along.
As for the “old stats v new stats” thing, my eyes glaze over just thinking about it. I leave that to others to debate. :)
At his absolute best I find him merely competent.
I’m still not impressed with his framing; his passivity with the umpires is madening to me. I absolutely hate watching him work a game to the extent that he is in Trachsel territory with me. His arm is average, and his release is barely so. His biggest improvement has been his footwork.
So he walks a lot. Big deal! You just clogged the basepaths with a catcher and put the double play in order. While he has improved his plate coverage over last year; his hot zone is still miniscule for a big leaguer. He leaves his bat on his shoulder far too often with runners in scoreing postion trying to draw a walk. That might be okay if there were actually somebody who could actually hit behind him. So as far as I’m concerned his OBP in the role he’s being used is meaningless.
Yes he has home run power. His hot zone is so small he hardly gets a chance to use it. To me it’s ironic that Stewart can’t recognize what he sees and Iannetta can’t use plenty of hittable pitches he sees. Yes he shines compared to some of his competion. What he’s competeing against aint that great.
Yes I don’t expect HOF numbers from Chris. I don’t have to have Piazza/Bench/Berra/Fisk type numbers to respect a catcher. Some of my favorite catchers wre not star hitters like Grote, Boone, or Roseburo. I don’t care if you use the old fangled or new fangled numbers. He ain’t that good!
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Wow. This seems overly harsh.
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'clogged the basepaths and put a double play in order'
do you have statistics on this or are you just assuming, because OBP is proven to have the best correlation with offensive performance of any of the triple slashes
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obviously any time a runner is on first with less than 2 outs a double play is "in order," and all the more so with non-speedy guy like iannetta
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brain..... bleeding
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 11:14 PM MDT up reply actions
was that not clear
it seemed clearish as i wrote it
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oh, that's not what I meant
I meant the fact that we’re blaming the baserunner for being on base.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 11:22 PM MDT up reply actions
haha yeah i know, right?
like what a jerk, drawing walks and creating opportunities to score runs. must really hate being on a team.
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That's how you get to bat cleanup!
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 11:28 PM MDT up reply actions
Iannetta is actually the second most valueable player on the team according to fWAR
But Foagie really hates the new stats…
WAR is a meaningless, useless stat to me. It tells me absolutely nothing I want to know. Were I a replacement trying to break into a major league lineup; I’d file a grievence against anyone useing WAR to judge me. I want the people judgeing me in the context of each play on the field. I don’t think WAR accurately reflects that.
It might be usefull for fantasy geeks; I don’t think it reflects the real world at all.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 19, 2011 11:29 PM MDT up reply actions
To expand
Many of the things Foagie doesn’t value about Iannetta in that post are exactly the things WAR measures. In this department, I think we value different things than him.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 19, 2011 11:31 PM MDT up reply actions
i remember that post, one of the last i followed before i ended my lurking days
but i just really and truly have trouble understanding a viewpoint that doesn’t value an OBP as high as iannetta’s.
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Ah
I knew it was before you joined so I wanted to give you some background.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 19, 2011 11:40 PM MDT up reply actions
like yeah a walk isn't the same as a hit,
but they’re only just a tad less valuable than a single, while providing the added bonus of driving up pitch count, as a walk guarantees 4+ pitches seen, whereas a hit can be achieved only off one pitch
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Considering CDI has hit behind the black hole that is the 7 spot all year
There is even less difference between a walk and a single.
Foagie is not gonna like that link
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 19, 2011 11:51 PM MDT up reply actions
well if you don't buy into the advanced concepts
seeing a chart of linear weights isn’t going to change your mind.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 20, 2011 12:08 AM MDT up reply actions
Interesting that a HBP is more valuable than a walk
I’ve got a feeling there’s correlation but not causation to more runs being scored there.
it's got to do with pitchers losing command
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Yep, both of the strike zone and himself
I also think there may be a little reverse causality involved. IE, a pitcher gets lit up, then decides to plunk someone.
Like all atheletic endeavours baseball is an "Art form" to me.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 20, 2011 8:53 PM MDT up reply actions
I don't hate all the new stats but I do hate WAR on multiple levels.
Many will POoPOo my arguments; that doesn’t negate their validity. Everything in baseball is done in a context. Every play is a isolated event. How a player handles the context of that event determines that success or failure. In particular role players are being judged out of role by WAR by negateing the context of their use by the manager or their response to that use.
WAR puts one number to all uses I might have ignoreing my opportunity to have been used in all ways. I don’t think that is “Fair” in any use of the word. WAR is an amalgam that blurs what I’ve done to others that don’t nessasaily compare to how i’ve been used. It’s not so much the componet stats of WAR I object to; as to bluring those stats into a single number out of context.
The very concept of assigning a single number on a person to state their value is ethicly and morally repugnent to me. It’s a very slippery slope to me that says to me a person is only worth X. Eventually you take that down to a binary solution. 1/0, good/evil, etc. You can say i’m being ridiculous all you want to. It’s part of my value system as a man, a person and someone of faith.
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every event isn't isolated, though
that’s literally the entire premise of advanced statistics
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Then your premis is flawed.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
but it's not, though
BB+BB+BB+HR+K+K+K is not the same thing as HR+BB+BB+K+K+K+BB. they may include the same events, but the order of them absolutely does matter
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by papality on Aug 20, 2011 3:20 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
how that third walk got in after the third K i'm not really sure
but whatever
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I feel like you're putting too much emphasis on your comprehension of the usage of WAR
No Manager, GM, or analyst worth their salt will simply navigate to Fangraphs, look at a player’s WAR value, and say “well, that’s enough for me!”. That’s no different than looking at their RBI total, their Slugging Percentage, or one’s interpretation of how well they run out grounders that are almost obviously going to be outs.
WAR is just a single tool in the toolkit. Granted, it’s a pretty complicated and effective tool, but still only one tool. Nobody uses just one tool to perform a complicated task.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 20, 2011 9:02 PM MDT up reply actions
I value OBP and I'm not trying to argue against OBP. I am specificly not going to argue AVG versus OBP.
My arguement is with wasteing his OBP by hitting him in front of the pitcher just to flip the lineup. You more or less force your pitcher to have to sacrifice a slow runner to avoid a double play. I value sacrifice hits intellegently used as the tactical situation dictates. Setting up the pitcher only to sacrifice in most circumstances is setting him up for failure. In the Rockies case that walk is more often a runner wasted.
Drawing a walk without the bases loaded and runners on increase the percentage of a possible double play or fielder’s choice that prevents the runner scoreing. By having your slowest runner ih front of your weakest hitter you magnify the possibilities against you. This one of the reasons I agree with La Russa having the pitcher batting ninth all the time may not be the wisest use of your resources. But what drives me craziest with Iannetta is watching hittable strikes not even close to the edges go by trying to draw a walk instead of driving in the runner in front of him. He has to do this because his plate coverage is so small.
Like Amart’s argument about me blaming the base runner; I see the argument against RBI as blaming the batter for driving the run home. Like PHLP said recently this is where moneyball breaks down. By stressing OBP you negate the value of striving to drive home the runner. You assume that just by getting on by any means possible means that you are pushing the runner forward. That isn’t always so. By having a poor approach even if you draw a lot of walks doesn’t mean you are an efficient batter.
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"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
the argument against RBI isn't that it's pointless
it’s that it’s not good to use for individual evaluation, because it’s based more on the people who get on base in front of an “rbi man” than the man himself, case in point joe carter.
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Or case in point Wiggy?
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
not really
joe carter is a guy who amassed a ton of RBI by hitting 3rd and 4th for every team he ever played on, while consistently not being a very good hitter in any situation.
wigginton is actually a good hitter with nobody on, and very much so against lefties, he just collapses with anyone on base in front of him, while batters as a whole actually perform better in those situations
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Pedro Feliz would probably fit into this category as well
Atrocious batter, but always had decent RBI totals.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 20, 2011 9:04 PM MDT up reply actions
crap, i had these big explanations with career splits and stuff, but only the subject line got through.
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now it's there
wtf internet
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You must have missed the game where he got tossed for freaking out at the umpire
Oh, and those RISP stats? .300/.485/.543 with RISP. Yeah, about that.
Clogging the basepaths and setting up the DP isn’t Iannetta’s fault. In fact, “Clogging up the basepaths” is one of the laziest means of stringing a player up whose batting style you don’t appreciate. Good OBP is good, I don’t care what the situation is. You can’t score runs without runners on base.
Nobody’s touting him as Piazza/Fisk/whoever. No, he’s not HoF good. But he is top-10 C in MLB good, whether or not you choose to admit it.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 11:14 PM MDT up reply actions
Here’s the PR link to the Brewer game where CDI got tossed. There’s no video up on it on MLB. Too bad, it was fantastic.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 19, 2011 11:36 PM MDT up reply actions
there was
and the best part is that they cut out his very visible and obvious “OH [word] YOU”
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 20, 2011 12:09 AM MDT up reply actions
I went and watched it on the MLB.TV archive.
It was fantastic.
This year sucks.
by prettyinpurple on Aug 20, 2011 8:51 AM MDT up reply actions
I don’t care if you use the old fangled or new fangled numbers. He ain’t that good!
If you don’t think he’s that good, I assume you mean he’s below average. If so, name 15 catchers right now who are better than Iannetta.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 19, 2011 11:39 PM MDT up reply actions
Singles clog up the base too
If only he could get an extra base hit once and a while…
As for the role he’s being put in. Shouldn’t the player’s role be based on his abilities, instead of asking the player to change based on the role you are putting him in? In other words, does it really make sense to put a batter who draws a lot of walks in the 8 spot?
See, that's the mark of a manager, where they play their catcher
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 20, 2011 12:09 AM MDT up reply actions
hahahahahah
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This is basically everything I was going to say when I decided to actually respond.
I don’t even understand what Chris is supposed to DO to be less “passive” with the umpires. I don’t remember us getting any favorable calls after he got ejected in that game where he blew up.
For something Oldfoagie seems to consider such a big deal, I don’t see how Chris’ handling of the umpires has hurt the team this year, or what other catchers do that he doesn’t.
I think both sides kinda go overboard with this guy.
You can look at his BA and declare him a bum. You can look at his fWAR (I thought that was a GWAR tribute band, BTW) and declare him a wonderful player.
I think the following is more or less the case:
He’s the walking definition of an “average MLB player”. No more, no less. And, at a time when there are barely a handful of average major league players donning catching gear around the league, he’s nice to have. Spending hours and hours arguing over this guy would be like doing the same for, I don’t know, Charlie Hayes or Armondo Reynoso.
He’s fine. He’ll do. If someone better comes along, awesome. If not, OK.
That's more or less where I am with him
I staunchly defend him, but honestly, Iannetta seems to embody the skillset that’s eschewed by so many yet still very valuable.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 20, 2011 9:05 PM MDT up reply actions
(it's more the skillset I'm defending rather than Chris Iannetta)
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 20, 2011 9:07 PM MDT up reply actions
Agreed
I love CDI, but that love is entirely irrational, and I’ll admit to that. I sometimes think that folks are expecting him to be the second-coming of Johnny Bench, but that ain’t gonna happen anytime soon. Others seem to want more fistpumpz and fireyness to really qualify him for the position. Like you said: He’s fine. Leave it alone for Chis’sake.
I miss the magic. (h/t papality)
by rockhead on Aug 21, 2011 9:16 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hey, shoot me an email when you get a minute.
Nothing important, just frivolous.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 22, 2011 10:01 PM MDT up reply actions
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 23, 2011 8:18 AM MDT up reply actions
I said it was frivolous
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 23, 2011 9:33 AM MDT up reply actions
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