Friday Rockpile: The Future Looks Bright Thanks To Alex White and Drew Pomeranz
by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 7:30 AM MDT
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PrintWednesday and Thursday featured the organizational debut of Drew Pomerantz, the key piece from the Cleveland Indians in the Ubaldo Jimenez trade. Thursday night, his counterpart from Cleveland Alex White went out and threw an absolute gem against the Midland Rockhounds. Both Pomeranz and White threw shutouts (with a little help from their pen). Ultimately, White allowed 3 hits, 1 walk, 1 hit batter, while striking out 4.
I'd say that's the kind of coming out party these two studs needed to get the fans on their side.
When you lose a pitcher like Ubaldo Jimenez, the players you get back need to perform, and fast, if the team wants to mitigate some of the PR damage from trading away the fan favorite.
Thus far, Pomeranz has held up his end of the bargain. 7 innings of 2-hit, shutout ball definitely makes for an impressive organizational debut.
White's debut was only an inning long, and he allowed 3 runs, but since then he has yet to let a runner cross the plate. 15 innings of 7-hit shutout ball. Word is that White is scheduled for one more rehab start, in Colorado Springs this time, but after watching him pitch against the Rockhounds, I see no point in wasting his or the organization's time in keeping him in the minors. White gave up some decent contact to the Midland bats, but for the majority of the game, White was just toying with this lineup.
He's ready.
Juggle the rotation a bit if need be, but let's get White up into the major league rotation. Demote Esmil Rogers to the bullpen, permanently. No, the current MLB pitching depth isn't the greatest, but continuing to go back-and-forth with Rogers isn't giving him any time to settle in a spot and stay there. We've heard from countless evaluations that Rogers doesn't conceal the ball well enough, that hitters pick up on his stuff too well, and that his repertoire just isn't good enough to get him by as a starter. So slate him in as the 6th/7th inning guy, and just go an inning at a time. Don't move him back to the rotation, period. If you need a spot start, use Reynolds or Mortensen, regardless of how inauspicious their recent work has been.
This sets the rotation (for now) up as Chacin, Cook, White, Hammel, Millwood. After a couple more starts in Tulsa for Pomeranz, give him a start or two in the Majors in September.
Should things go well, this has a rotation going forward of Chacin-White-Pomeranz-Hammel-Cook/Millwood/Other Veteran Starter. Move up to Mid-May 2012, and we can probably slot in Jorge De La Rosa. This is all, of course, discounting Juan Nicasio's recovery efforts. Can you imagine an unpolished rotation of Chacin-White-Pomeranz-Nicasio-Hammel with Christian Friedrich en route and promises of Tyler Anderson, Tyler Matzek, Chad Bettis, and who knows, maybe down the line someone like Johendi Jiminian? Folks, this is just the best the Rockies' pitching depth has ever been.
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This is kind of interesting. Jason Giambi is still a trade candidate for August, meaning he'd have to clear waivers before he can be traded to another team. Ken Rosenthal is reporting that the Rockies haven't even put him on waivers yet, suggesting that there's not really a trade in the works right now. Even if Giambi were to be traded, the door would more than likely remain open for him to return in 2012, regardless of whether or not it would be a smart roster decision.
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What is the word on Gardner?
If we had to comp him to a MLB player who would it be? The farther I get from the Ubaldo trade the more I like it, when I think back to almost every established starter for prospect trade it seems like the team getting the prospects win. Whether you are talking about Mulder for Haren, or Haren for Anderson- et al, there are plenty of exceptions(Cliff lee). That said we really need young MLB ready hitters and that Reds haul would have been nice.
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Woah, hold the phone therer
No need to rush Pom and White back to the big leagues this year.
Especially Pom-Pom. Can that be his nick name? Pom-Pom?
White was already in the majors
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 8:16 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Furthermore, he looks downright nasty.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 8:51 AM MDT up reply actions
Did you see the game on MiLB?
He certainly has a presence out there.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 19, 2011 8:52 AM MDT up reply actions
er.
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I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 19, 2011 8:52 AM MDT up reply actions
watched the whole outing
the Rockhounds had a couple of decent pokes, but for the most part he was on top of things.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 8:53 AM MDT up reply actions
I would even argue that his start was slightly better than Pom's
Although they were both so awesome it doesn’t really matter. Pom was little luck with some of those line drives.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 19, 2011 8:55 AM MDT up reply actions
it was, but I expected that.
White is farther along in his development, and had been pitching regularly in games.
That being said, Drew Pomeranz is going to be an absolute STUD.
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Eh, White had been hurt a while.
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 19, 2011 10:15 AM MDT up reply actions
And if he'd given up, say, 6 hits or something with the same box otherwise
I’d likely not have complained.
I really wouldn’t have complained with a run or two, either. It was a great way to make a debut.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 8:56 AM MDT up reply actions
that Mitchell-Gomez relay to get the guy at the plate by like 30 feet was awesome
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... we think
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 8:58 AM MDT up reply actions
right
well, Rosario just standing there waiting for the runner was awesome. Then the guy tried bull rushing, and Rosario just slapped him in the head with his glove as he stepped aside.
I thought it was awesome.
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it was very matador
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 9:00 AM MDT up reply actions
ole
The oxen are slow, but the earth is patient.
by rockieprogress on Aug 19, 2011 12:04 PM MDT up reply actions
He was definitely better than Pomeranz.
This is as it should be though. White’s efficiency and consistent location were fantastic.
by DumbAndNerdy on Aug 19, 2011 8:56 AM MDT up reply actions
I have a hope that they develop a friendly rivalry to push themselves harder.
The guys in Atlanta had one back in the 90s.
by DumbAndNerdy on Aug 19, 2011 8:58 AM MDT up reply actions
this is the first time they've ever pitched on the same team, and on back to back nights
I like the results
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All this team togetherness is great,
but sometimes I want Cargo, after he’s driven in a late-inning run, to go up to Tulo and poke him in the eye. It doesn’t need to get mean, but a little in-team competitiveness wouldn’t hurt.
by DumbAndNerdy on Aug 19, 2011 9:03 AM MDT up reply actions
Both Tulo and Cargo
have gone on record, independently, and said the other was the best baseball player they had eer played with. That is the reason they both signed long-term contracts. So they definitely respect the heck out of each other. But no, I don’t see them being at all competitive.
why not
They are both proving to be mlb ready
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 19, 2011 8:22 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
What else does Pom have to prove in the minors?
Also, White.
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 19, 2011 10:14 AM MDT up reply actions
That he can repeat, I'd guess
There’s no harm in having him finish the AA season with Tulsa.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 10:15 AM MDT up reply actions
Yea he doesn't have many starts in AA
But he’s extremely close to being MLB ready
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 19, 2011 10:16 AM MDT up reply actions
we're on the same page there
it’s mostly precaution in my mind.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 10:17 AM MDT up reply actions
White: Nothing.
Pom: More consistent efficiency.
by DumbAndNerdy on Aug 19, 2011 10:16 AM MDT up reply actions
they each have an offspeed pitch they could work on
White with the slider and Pom with the change. But it’s not like these pitches are terrible right now, and working with Apodaca could really help them anyway.
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by black_knight101 on Aug 19, 2011 10:22 AM MDT up reply actions
Does White even throw a slider?
I’ve read Changeup, Splitter, Sinker.
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 19, 2011 10:31 AM MDT up reply actions
his "changeup" is the spiltter
and yeah he throws a slider. check this out.
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by black_knight101 on Aug 19, 2011 10:35 AM MDT up reply actions
he also has a 4-seamer and a cutter I believe.
but it’s hard to distinguish between all those fastballs based on pitch f/x. Which is also part of why he is so awesome. I’d have to bet all those fastballs look exactly the same coming in, and then they all move differently at the last minute.
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by black_knight101 on Aug 19, 2011 10:39 AM MDT up reply actions
Let's just hope Coors' air
doesn’t completely ruin that movement.
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 19, 2011 10:40 AM MDT up reply actions
another reason why he needs the slider to develop
the sinker is going to be the key for him at Coors
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by black_knight101 on Aug 19, 2011 10:47 AM MDT up reply actions
Alright! I, for one, welcome our new strike-throwing overlords.
Here’s an apropos song about nuclear holocaust:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qrriKcwvlY&ob=av3e
The Future’s So Bright…
Strike throwers - I like the sound of that
The Rockies probably saw that White went 7.2 innings on 81 pitches, and figured it must be a typo.
“This can’t be right – is that supposed to say 4.2?”
by Northsider1964 on Aug 19, 2011 8:16 AM MDT up reply actions
As we discussed earlier in the week
I too would move Esmil to the pen, but give him a significant role and see how he handles it. If he implodes and it costs the Rockies a game, big whoop. I just don’t want to see him moved to the pen, just to take over for Escolana in mop-up duty. That really won’t tell the Rockies much of anything, and will just keep Esmil on the same career treadmill.
But I also don’t get the rumblings from the organization about a 6-man rotation. Help me out here – we’re so flush with starting pitching that we just can’t find room for White? Have I been watching a different team?
There is a desire to do this to evaluate as much of the pitching as possible.
Only Hammel and Chacin appear to have set spots in the rotation next year. The FO wants to see:
1) Whether its worth offering Cook some kind of minor-league deal or smaller contract next year. They know that he would like to stay, or so he says.
2) Whether Millwood might make a good sixth starter (or better) next year. This might be better than the parade of retreads we used this year.
3) Whether there is any chance Esmil could be a starter or if he should be moved to the bullpen next year.
September is when they are going to find these things out before they start making plans in the offseason.
by DumbAndNerdy on Aug 19, 2011 8:18 AM MDT up reply actions
there is a 0% chance
White doesn’t start out in the rotation next year, and about a 10% chance Pomeranz doesn’t.
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0% is probably a little strong but it’s probably not far from that number.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 19, 2011 9:02 AM MDT up reply actions
I think he's right
White has already been penciled in right now.
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Yes.
But the point of the post was to explain why we would be going to a six-man rotation instead of just dumping Cook, Millwood, or Rogers.
So, 100 points for truth, but -10 for relevance.
by DumbAndNerdy on Aug 19, 2011 9:05 AM MDT up reply actions
Damn. We need both around here now?
I quit.
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If we're dealing with the number "0" or "100"
It should be written in pen.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 19, 2011 9:09 AM MDT up reply actions
YES on Rogers moving to the bullpen.
I’ve wanted that to happen for a while now.
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 19, 2011 10:17 AM MDT up reply actions
Rotation
The rotation you list above (Chacin-White-Pomeranz-Nicasio-Hammel) gives me some hope with the exception of Hammel. I am personally tired of his Jeklly and Hyde routine and fear his starts. I think its time to sale him off for anyone that wants him and plug Cook in the 5th starter spot until De La Rosa is ready. (That is assuming that Nicasio is ready by spring ball)
by Utah Rockies Fan on Aug 19, 2011 8:22 AM MDT reply actions
Yeah, we touched on this a bit yesterday
Planning on Nicasio to be ready by April would be foolish. Best to expect him to not be ready and plan for it, then if he surprises us, great.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 19, 2011 8:35 AM MDT up reply actions
I too don't trust Hammel,
albeit I trust Cook even less, but I am sick of Hamel being described as “inconsistent.” Every major league player is capable of greatness at times. It’s the bad ones who perform greatness at a rare clip. Now, he hasn’t been a bad pitcher for us, but with all the depth in our system, I think we can all agree he’s not a part of our future. He and Cook will only be kept next season to keep the seat warm for JDLR, and another top prospect. Any ideas when we can expect our prospects to start arriving in the majors? I know it’s too early to tell for sure, but wondering about guys like Bettis, Anderson, Matzek, and HOPEFULLY, Nicasio?
Hammel is worthless
that is all.
by Purple Row Troll on Aug 19, 2011 8:47 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nah
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 8:52 AM MDT up reply actions
Perhaps
But last time I checked, he’s on the same one-good-start-in-a-row “roll” that seems to have some people ready to re-up with Cookie.
by Northsider1964 on Aug 19, 2011 8:58 AM MDT up reply actions
well, that and 2 years of not sucking
and another year on his contract
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 9:00 AM MDT up reply actions
Only Re-Up with Cookie at a discount
I think that since I am hoping that our 5th starter is just a place holder until we get some players back we only re-up on Cook for a discount. If he wants to much money then we still have some serviceable pitchers in AAA like Mortensen. Although Mortensen has struggled since being sent to AAA, in the majors he posted a 3.86 ERA and 1.35 WHIP. Hammel has a 4.91 ERA and 1.50 WHIP, his last five starts ER are 1, 6, 6, 2, 8.
by Utah Rockies Fan on Aug 19, 2011 9:14 AM MDT up reply actions
Honestly
I’d rather just cut Cook Loose, he hasn’t been very good for 2 seasons now.. and he’s never going to be the same player he was in 2008. He’s basically a 1.0 WAR player right now, and I don’t think he’s worth spending much money on or giving a roster spot too.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
If history serves as a reminder
next spring we’ll have several guys no one really wants competing for 5th in the rotation. If one of those guys is Cook, who has had some success at Coors, I’m all for it.
If during this off season someone offers him 2 years at 7 million, we say “thank you for your services” and move on.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 19, 2011 9:25 AM MDT up reply actions
fair enough
If he will take around 1 or 2 million and come back on a one year deal with incentives, then by all means bring him back, however I think he signs somewhere else for more then that.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
I'm disappointed in Hammel's year
Was hoping he’d take a step forward but I like him much better than our other options out there: Cook, Mortensen, Reynolds, other potential Rockie FA pickup. The team’s problem for 2011 is not our 5th starter.
by osierra11 on Aug 19, 2011 9:09 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bettis is looking like a Sept 2012 callup at this point
unless he implodes in AA.
Anderson was drafted as a 2013 callup, unless he Friedrichs, and Matzek could also be 2013 if he continues to develop at a normal pace.
One thing about Matzek: he has the stuff to move quickly through the system if he’s finally comfortable with his delivery. He could be in AA by the end of next year, or he could still be in A ball. Who knows at this point?
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I like Hammel in the bullpen
but could see him being shipped off next year
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 19, 2011 10:19 AM MDT up reply actions
My opinion? Keep Giambi for all eternity.
Someone has to be manager when we fire Tracy in the middle of the season next year before the miraculous run to the playoff.
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Player-Manager
Yessssssssssss
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Aug 19, 2011 8:49 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Can we get Reg Dunlap too?
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 19, 2011 9:04 AM MDT up reply actions
As much as I like your optimism, Andrew
I think you’re getting a tad ahead of yourself w/regards to pitching depth.
by Purple Row Troll on Aug 19, 2011 8:47 AM MDT reply actions
When in the history of this organization was the pitching depth better than this?
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 19, 2011 8:49 AM MDT up reply actions
Nicasio was the 9th SP on the depth chart this year
That’s pretty deep.
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He wasn't the 9th best pitcher though
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 19, 2011 9:05 AM MDT up reply actions
Go on, I'm listening
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 8:52 AM MDT up reply actions
AA
White,
Pomeranz
Friedrich
Houston
Gardner
Scahill
Riordan
A+
(Anderson)
Bettis
Cabrera
Frazier
A
Matzek
Tago
Campos
Slaats
Every single player listed above has a chance to pitch in the majors some day based on either ceiling or current production.
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And at least four of them have a real chance to be a #1 or #2
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 19, 2011 9:06 AM MDT up reply actions
The mathematics in that statement
makes my brain hurt.
by DumbAndNerdy on Aug 19, 2011 9:08 AM MDT up reply actions
Only 4?
Which ones?
I’d say
White
Pomeranz
Friedrich
Bettis
Matzek
Tago
are your 6 highest ceiling players (not necessarily in that order though). The rest can probably make it either as 4 or 5 starters, or bullpen fodder.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
I think Friedrich is a #3 starter these days, along with Anderson
though Anderson could turn into a Francis #2 type. I completely agree with the rest of your list though.
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I agree that Fridrich has probably settled into solid number 3 territory
however I just based that list off of what the scouts were saying when he was drafted, and I do think that he could be a solid number 2 if everything goes well.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
Yeah, he can.
He’s actually had a good season, minus a few blowups here and there. This was his “get healthy” year.
Thankfully, we are no longer depending on him to make the rotation and can give him time to figure things out. He still has that devastating curve.
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I also think that
Besides White and Pom, and maybe Bettis, he also has the highest floor, where as I can see Tago and Matzek flaming out and not even making the majors.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
Tago is such a huge question mark
he could turn into a #1 starter, he could blow out his arm, he could become a devastating late inning reliever.
I really like his potential, but have no clue what that potential can turn into right now.
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I like Tago a ton as well
but I understand he’s a huge risk. But man does he generate some movement.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
I'd say
White, Pom, Bettis, and Matzek have the best chance based on either pure potential or how close they are to the majors. Other guys have a chance but I’d consider it more of a long shot. Tago is the best of those (I only leave him out of the higher category because he’s so far away), and Freidrich’s ceiling has come down the last couple of years.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 19, 2011 9:13 AM MDT up reply actions
Friedrich?
No. He’s not going to be better than a #4 in a Rockies rotation.
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 19, 2011 10:21 AM MDT up reply actions
He's been very hittable.
And it’s because he just doesn’t have good stuff. He doesn’t hit 90mph on his fastball, and it’s flat. Doesn’t set up his other pitches
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 19, 2011 10:24 AM MDT up reply actions
Well he has also dealt with Injuries as well
His 2008/2009 Seasons were damn near elite. He has a Plus Curve, as well. Jeff Francis didn’t hit 90 either, and he was a solid number 2 back in 2007 (miscast as a number 1) I think Friedrich is still young enough that he can reach that ceiling… yes its more likely he settles into a number 3 or 4, but to say he will never be a number 2 is foolish.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
No it's foolish to still think he can be that good.
He’s not the same pitcher because of the injuries. Jeff Francis was ELITE in the minor leagues. Friedrich has way worse stats.
When you only have one plus pitch (curve), and you even have trouble locating it, you’re not a #1-2 caliber pitcher.
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 19, 2011 10:33 AM MDT up reply actions
And I agree
However, given past history, I think there is a slight chance that he can turn it around and become a number 2… however, he will probably settle in as a number 3 or 4.
I’m just not going to rule out the fact that his ceiling is higher then that.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
But his ceiling isn't higher than that anymore.
I’d love to be proved wrong.
Also, does Friedrich even have a spot in the rotation any time soon? Doesn’t seem like it. Trade bait
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 19, 2011 10:38 AM MDT up reply actions
He could be in the mix for the number 5 next year
but he’s going to have to have a strong Spring to do so. I wouldn’t trade bait him just yet, his value is still a bit to low, but he’s just a few injuries next year from getting a solid look.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
Agreed completely.
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I thought I just read "elite in the MAJOR leagues"
my jaw almost dropped.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 10:37 AM MDT up reply actions
francis
sat low 90s in 97, not a burner but definitely enough to keep hitters honest given his control and speed-changes.
wow Francis was hitting the low nineties in HS?
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No wonder he was an elite prospect!
That’s some heat for a lefty at 16.
still though, with the mass of talent ahead of him
that’s just fine
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 10:22 AM MDT up reply actions
Yes it's fine.
But he’s not a #1-2 starting caliber pitcher anymore.
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 19, 2011 10:23 AM MDT up reply actions
He never was
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 10:28 AM MDT up reply actions
many called him a potential TOR guy after his first season in the minors
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Around MLB there was a lot of excitement about him
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potential TOR sounds like one of those "if everything goes right and he eats his wheaties" kind of statements
Everyone knew that MOR was more the realistic outlook.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 10:36 AM MDT up reply actions
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He had a questionable debut, may have just been an adjustment to pro ball
Then might have just progressed past A ball.
I’m not contesting that people said it.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions
word of caution regarding Bettis, perhaps?
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I don't claim to be the farm expert
But Tulsa does end up being some semblance of a litmus test.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 11:13 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm really curious to see what Anderson brings to the table
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 9:08 AM MDT up reply actions
It's really nice when I guy like him is almost an afterthought
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 19, 2011 9:14 AM MDT up reply actions
exactly
Pre-trade, the rotation was gonna HAVE to include more depth guys, and now those guys can be just that: depth.
Downside, the bullpen is pretty full, so if they start to hit that ceiling/stagnation point… well…
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 9:16 AM MDT up reply actions
How is having a full Bullpen a downside
Just do what the Padres do… flip your good bullpen pieces for something useful, and have your depth guys come in and take over and turn into Heath Bell or something…
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
it just means if Freidrich is knocking at the door but not breaking it down, you kind of have to leave him in AA/AAA, as you can't do the whole "put him in the pen until a rotation slot opens"
Regarding the Padres thing, we don’t have the witchcraft that the Padres do in constructing relievers from sediment on the ocean floor.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 9:21 AM MDT up reply actions
Probabaly helps to be close to sea level if you want to build your pitchers out of deep sea sediment.
We’d have to make them out of shale, and as anyone who’s ever tried to build anything on shale knows, it’s nasty stuff.
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by glaucophane on Aug 19, 2011 12:15 PM MDT up reply actions
I do not favor building flammable pitchers
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by Junction Rox on Aug 19, 2011 2:03 PM MDT up reply actions
...or maybe it suggests we shouldn't be drafting afterthought level talent
in the first round.
This goes back to the "who else was available that would be better"? debate
The answer is Bell, but he wasn’t signing.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 11:19 AM MDT up reply actions
That's tough to say
for a bunch of armchair analysts. But if everyone is already suggesting our first round pick is not really a significant factor in our system…that tells me he was probably not the ideal pick. Not a “bad” pick per se, but the fact that nobody in the world is excited about this guy at all has to be somewhat troublesome for a franchise that was very short on impact talent pre trade.
I'd make the case that we'd be more excited for him had the Pomeranz/White acquisitions not been made so soon in comparison.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions
And if White/Porneranz weren't in the system, period...
Adding two guys to the top of the “depth chart” of MiLB pitchers looks Anderson look more devalued than he would have if he were the same guy and Ubaldo were still in the MLB rotation and the minors had two less studs. Which doesn’t mean he got worse, just that the organization landscape changed since draft day…
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by Junction Rox on Aug 19, 2011 11:25 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm not going to complain about a fringe #2/#3 lefty
making an appearance in 2013. Not at all.
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If Anderson is a #3 starter in 2014 I will freak.
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Especially in our organization
If he’s #3 in a pool with White, Porneranz, Chacin, Bettis, Nicasio (hope), JdlR (if he’s still around), Cabrera, Matzek (hope), etc. something has either gone very, very right or very, very wrong…
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by Junction Rox on Aug 19, 2011 11:32 AM MDT up reply actions
there's a difference between being A "#3" and OUR "#3"
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Cole Hamels says hello
as does John Smoltz
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Of course
And I’d be surprised if he’s either one by 2014. Just pointing out that I’d be REALLY amazed if he’s OUR #3. Or really concerned, depending on how he ends up as our #3…
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by Junction Rox on Aug 19, 2011 11:36 AM MDT up reply actions
why?
He will likely be in Tulsa second half 2012.
Could be a midseason callup in 2013.
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Because I think we have more than 3 guys
who I expect to be ahead of him, just because of higher ceiling. Would I be stunned if he’s in the rotation by then? Not really. But I would be pretty amazed if he passes all but 2 other pitchers in the organization.
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by Junction Rox on Aug 19, 2011 11:43 AM MDT up reply actions
I don't expect him to be #3 in our rotation, but I believe he'll slot in there somewhere
if he gives us #3 production in the #5 spot, I won’t complain one bit.
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I think we're 100% agreed
It’s not that I think he can’t be A #3 by then (although I wouldn’t put big $ on the timing), it’s just that I don’t expect him to be OUR #3. And I sure as hell won’t be complaining if he’s giving us #3 production at that point.
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by Junction Rox on Aug 19, 2011 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions
oops...
“makes Anderson look”, not “looks Anderson look”…
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by Junction Rox on Aug 19, 2011 11:30 AM MDT up reply actions
pick Story first, then Anderson
and most of us would be raving about the first two selections.
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That would have been a different Story, I agree...
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by Junction Rox on Aug 19, 2011 11:26 AM MDT up reply actions
I've heard that before
and that’s all well and good if true, but it still suggests that we overdrafted the guy pretty considerably and just got lucky later. I dunno, I don’t want to kill the guy because he could be a fine player, I just think it is disappointing that nobody in the world seems to have a ton of legit expectations for our 1st round pick in a year where it was pretty clear we needed an impact arm. Add that to the failure to sign a lot of the other talented longshots…oh well. The new Rox, same as the old Rox.
It was a late pick and a front-heavy draft.
And we’ve learned far too well how it goes when we draft according to need.
That all said, the Anderson pick doesn’t really fit into anything I just said.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 11:52 AM MDT up reply actions
Yeah
I don’t mean to kill the pick. Its certainly defensible and while greeted with a collective yawn from here and elsewhere, its better than pitchforks I suppose. I just don’t understand the reasoning other than covering the gaps of previous mistakes. Which maybe was necessary. Oh well.
Yeah, it's a weird bed the Rockies' scouting has made and subsequently as to sleep in
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 12:06 PM MDT up reply actions
Can we trade one or twodor a bat?
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Can we trade one or two for a bat?
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Oh I hate you sometimes mobile posting
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on the plus side
the second time around you spelled “two for” correctly.
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and I was all excited for some wainscotting.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 19, 2011 9:26 AM MDT up reply actions
I thought he wanted a two door bat
and I was all excited for a splashy red sportsbat.
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I thought he wanted a Too Dour bat
and I was disappointed we were going to sign Mora again.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 19, 2011 9:31 AM MDT up reply actions
I thought "twodora"
was a new line of frozen Mexican entrees.
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I thought "twodora"
was a cool new double decker fedora
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On the plus side
we live in an age where the frustrations of mobile posting are more common that complaints about poor typesetting 200 years ago.
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True, it used to take a half hour to LOL.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 19, 2011 9:28 AM MDT up reply actions
Thouest mobile postings shall incur my wrath.
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Uh, today's
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I bought all their alcohol supplies.
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Did you know there are five first round draft picks currently playing in Tulsa?
and that doesn’t even include our #1 PuRP, Rosario.
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This is an excellent triva question without looking
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 19, 2011 9:07 AM MDT up reply actions
I got 4 of 5 and felt like an idiot on the 5th
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 9:08 AM MDT up reply actions
the homer king?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 19, 2011 9:12 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
nope, even dumber
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 9:15 AM MDT up reply actions
he forgot Friedrich
nailed Weathers right away though :-/
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Weathers in the 1st round
might have been an even worse draft pick then Reynolds…. I hated that pick worth a passion.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
It was easily a worse pick than Reynolds
picking a reliever 8th in a deep draft was an abortion, here is a short list of players taken in the 50 picks after Weathers. Madison Bumgarner, Jason Heyward, Cory Luebke, Devin Mesaraco, Jordan Zimmerman, Travis D`Arnaud, Rick Porcello, JP Arenciba, Jarod Parker, and Brett Cecil
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Oops I forgot to add Mike Stanton
but it’s not like this team needs a power hitting RH RF.
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I do hate playing these hindsite games however
but when you pick a RP 8th overall, over say a SP or a position player, then you open yourself up too these hindsight games. Someone should’ve lost his job with the Weathers pick.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
It's a shame we can't go back in time and see what happened there
Like somebody’s handwriting was so bad that they thought it said “Weathers” when it really said “Heyward”
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 9:35 AM MDT up reply actions
Yeah I would be fine if we had drafted Weathers in a thin draft
It’s why the Nelson pick doesn’t bother me, but picking a reliever in a draft like that is horrible. That draft was crazy Catcher heavy Weiters, Arrenciba, D`Arnaud, Mesaraco, and three others in the 1st round
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Nelson in the first wasn't bad either
He was going to be the SS of the future before Tulo came along, and he has dealt with injuries.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
Yeah and taking a high upside HS SS
has crazy variability but the ceiling is HOF, drafting a college reliever is basically admiting you don’t have a scouting department
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To cement to point of us not having a great scouting department
how many late round picks by the Rockies end up being drafted out of college a couple years later? in the 05 draft the Red Sox got Ellesbury, Hansen, Lowrie, and Bucholtz in the first round. but they also drafted Pedro Alvarez in the 14th, Charlie Blackmon in the 20th and Jason Castro in the 40th sure they didn’t sign them but they were on the radar years before getting taken much higher
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Stanton
Might injure too many fans in the left-centerfield bleachers. Better stick with Spilly as our RH-hitting OF solution.
by Northsider1964 on Aug 19, 2011 9:35 AM MDT up reply actions
why do you hate worms
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 9:36 AM MDT up reply actions
not to mention how stupid we would look having the two best outfield arms in the league
what possible benefit could there be to that?
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Everybody would just bitch about how Stanton strikes out too much and hits for a low average
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 9:38 AM MDT up reply actions
True Woddy Paige and Kizla would be writing
Send Iannetta, Fowler and Stanton to AZ for Ryan Roberts at least he can hit .300!!!
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you mentioned kizsla
take a lap
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by BittenAnkles on Aug 19, 2011 10:28 AM MDT up reply actions
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 10:29 AM MDT up reply actions
duly noted
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by BittenAnkles on Aug 19, 2011 10:30 AM MDT up reply actions
ding ding ding
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I actually do hope Giambi is back next year
I like the combination of what he and Helton has brought this year. I understand that it doesn’t help with roster flexibility, however, Giambi has been a stud this year, and combined with Helton, we have had some very good production at 1b this year.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
I think Giambi will be back next year because Wiggy is still under contract for 2012.
Seriously. Wiggy is “flexible” enough at “playing” “multiple” “positions” that we can still keep Giambi in the whatever-the-hell role he plays.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Aug 19, 2011 9:21 AM MDT up reply actions
And we for some reason we also have a strange love affair with players like
Herrera, Nelson, and Young.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
well, Nelson's been showing flashes of being ready to take that next step
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 9:15 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm a huge Nelson fan too
But I included him in the list because of his versatility.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
Ah.
I was taking it more on the “crappy bubble players who have like one tool that keeps them in the majors for some reason” interpretation
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 9:22 AM MDT up reply actions
Well, ya, Herrera and Young fall under the
“strange love affair” statement…. the Organization hates Nelson
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
I have this inkling they're coming around on him
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 9:29 AM MDT up reply actions
Maybe
so far he has proven he can play 3b just as well as Stewart can, and he can hit better then Stewart has this year.
That said if he’s our starting 3b next year we are in trouble… if he’s the starting 2b next year, then ok, that’s not to bad, but he doesn’t have the bat to play a corner position.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
there are literally -3 third basemen in the league right now that are meeting corner INF levels
I’m more than happy throwing Nelson out there and seeing what happens. He does have a bat.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 9:35 AM MDT up reply actions
He does
I can see nelson being a .270/.330/.400 guy, with about 10 or so homeruns… that might just make him one of the best 3b in the NL looking at it… but still disappointing considering what we all thought stewart would become.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
Agreed
I’m not particularly impressed with his work at 2B. I prefer Ellis there. But that starts to shrink the number of positions at which we hope to see significant offensive improvement.
Bleed purple
Ellis doesn't really do much to impress me
The only good thing about him is he’s not Herrera/Young/et al.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
great glove, limited offensive contributions
perfect stopgap for now at 2B
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we have a bagillion potential 2B options in the minors right now
one of them has to stick. right?
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by black_knight101 on Aug 19, 2011 11:06 AM MDT up reply actions
All aboard the Josh Rutledge Train!
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Between Herrera, Rutlege, Gomez, Story, Nelson
I sure as hell hope so. I’m just not holding my breath right now.. and they are still a ways off.
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the good news is that yep. the good news is every single one of them can play good D
I’d also subtract Herrera from that list. He doesn’t really project as a 2B.
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by black_knight101 on Aug 19, 2011 11:12 AM MDT up reply actions
wow that sounds dumb
get rid of the first “the good news is that”
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by black_knight101 on Aug 19, 2011 11:13 AM MDT up reply actions
Tommy?
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 11:13 AM MDT up reply actions
Who?
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by Junction Rox on Aug 19, 2011 11:17 AM MDT up reply actions
or so I hear
but he doesn’t
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by Junction Rox on Aug 19, 2011 11:51 AM MDT up reply actions
dude
From SoHo down to Brighton, he’s played them all.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 11:52 AM MDT up reply actions
that's why we're due?
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by Junction Rox on Aug 19, 2011 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions
I totally agree with that last paragraph.
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 19, 2011 10:28 AM MDT up reply actions
As opposed to the crappy no-tool players we have run out on occasion?
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Wiggy?
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Desi Relaford?
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 9:40 AM MDT up reply actions
ALFREDO AMEZAGA?
NOT SURE WHY I HAVE CAPS ON
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ya and an added side effect of Amezaga
is he always made me crave Olive Garden after he played…
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 9:54 AM MDT up reply actions
I don't love that Lopez hit HR
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I was also upset
I yelled something
and tweeted something
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 9:56 AM MDT up reply actions
I yelled and commented in the game thread
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It was just annoying.
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this
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 10:00 AM MDT up reply actions
why couldn't he have done that for us?
Is it 2012 yet?
by DAWNMARIE01 on Aug 19, 2011 10:02 AM MDT up reply actions
Correct. Except for like
that one time.
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maybe that will be his only time for them too
Is it 2012 yet?
by DAWNMARIE01 on Aug 19, 2011 10:04 AM MDT up reply actions
I guess they all have at least one tool though.
Even a guy like Edgar Gonzalez has one baseball tool. Even if that specific tool is “sucking at baseball”
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Heard Raffy has a tool also...Wait
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HEADLINE: TEAM WITHOUT THIRD BASEMAN TRADES “BEST” “THIRD BASEMAN”
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 9:21 AM MDT up reply actions
nice
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Still not giving up on Stewart....
and I also have an irrational hatred for Wiggy
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
it's pretty clear that the team has
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 9:22 AM MDT up reply actions
In the AL, preferably.
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by glaucophane on Aug 19, 2011 12:23 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah
I think the trade deadline was the team’s swan song in trying to get something out of him. Now they’re just going to leave him in AAA and out of the way. I suppose he’d probably get a Sept callup but hell it wouldn’t surprise me if he didn’t at this point.
Pom can just throw so no groundballs are hit to third. Tulo can cover any needed throws that way, and we put in a 4th outfielder at Coors. Easy.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 19, 2011 9:22 AM MDT up reply actions
Since the start of 2009
Wigginton’s fWAR = -0.2
Wigginton’s rWAR = -1.8
If he’s the best “third baseman” on this roster at the start of next season, I will lose it.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 19, 2011 9:25 AM MDT up reply actions
And really......
If he’sthe best "third baseman"on this roster at the start of next season, I will lose it.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 19, 2011 9:27 AM MDT up reply actions
Who is trading for him in the offseason?
Come on. Guys like him get moved at the deadline because somebody needs a random piece. Nobody grabs him in the offseason (see, e.g., last year) because he’s not a needed piece and certainly not at the price of a prospect and 4MM. If DOD can get rid of him without buying him out, I’ll raise a glass to him.
Somebody call the generic replacement players agent.
We need to sign that guy!
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I don't get why you're looking at time when he played with another team
He’s a 0.8 fWAR player with Colorado and -0.2 rWAR. I know it’s not great, but let’s not use Baltimore numbers as an excuse to pile on the guy.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 9:29 AM MDT up reply actions
I think if you look at Baltimore's numbers for the past 2 years
along with this years numbers, you can find a trend… Most projection systems use 3 years of data anyways, and basically all three years of data support the fact that Wiggy isn’t very good.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
no, he's not very good
but he’s been alright for the Rockies.
TTL? Sure, he’s slightly above replacement at this point.
But let’s not pretend that he’s been COMPLETELY worthless for Colorado.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 9:34 AM MDT up reply actions
He's been ok....
If he was making 1 Million or so, then he would actually provide us some value… right now I see him as sunk cost on a team that needs as much money as it can to fill other holes.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
Jeff Francouer is making 6.75 million next year
Wiggy isn’t playing for 1 MIl
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 19, 2011 9:53 AM MDT up reply actions
experienced bench bats that can hit homers dont come much cheaper
We all hate Wiggy, but he’s being paid fairly. There’s a reason why there was trade interest in him at the deadline and probably will be some during waivers as well.
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by black_knight101 on Aug 19, 2011 9:47 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Not sure if there was much interest
or if the Front office was just drumming that up… I don’t think anyone is going to want to pay him the 4 million dollars next year to be a replacement level player.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
Meh there are people willing to pay Edgar Renteria
Miguel Tejada, and Orlando Cabrera to play “Short Stop” there is someone willing to pay Wigs 4 Mill Philly jumps to mind
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no there was interest
Yankee and Red Sox sources said they were interested. Jeff Passan said he was “appealing to other teams”.
Just because he’s a replacement level player or maybe slightly above replacement level doesn’t mean other teams view him that way.
He “plays” 3B, of which there is a complete black hole at in the entire MLB right now. He’s hit 14 HRs this season. He has “versatility”. He’s a veteran. Somebody will happily pay him 4 mill next year.
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by black_knight101 on Aug 19, 2011 9:55 AM MDT up reply actions
May that "somebody" not be the Rockies.
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I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 19, 2011 9:41 AM MDT up reply actions
What?
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 9:55 AM MDT up reply actions
It is correct to say that the Houston Astros are not very good
It is also correct to say they are downright awful.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 19, 2011 9:57 AM MDT up reply actions
Yep, the Astros are miserable
I don’t see what this has to do with Ty Wigginton.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 9:59 AM MDT up reply actions
In my opinion
Wigginton is also miserable.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 19, 2011 10:08 AM MDT up reply actions
0.8 fWAR and an average-to-slightly plus bat from a bench guy?
I think your standards are too high for backup players thrust into starting by failures of others.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 10:16 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't consider a guy who's averaged 448 AB's
the last 8 seasons (and who will probably end up close to that number again this season) bench. I look at him as a decent hitter who gets worse with men on base, becomes bad with RISP, and a near automatic out with the bases loaded – I also see him as a guy who can’t play defense anywhere so he then somehow gets tagged as a guy who can play everywhere and through that accumulates a bunch of AB’s.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 19, 2011 10:30 AM MDT up reply actions
The Rockies brought him on as a bench guy.
That’s why he’s a bench guy.
He would’ve stayed a bench guy had Stewart not so completely wet the bed.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 10:32 AM MDT up reply actions
Wigginton is likely to get at least 400 at-bats playing multiple positions.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 19, 2011 10:38 AM MDT up reply actions
Playing multiple positions.
He was never considered to be the starting 3B, 1B, LF before the season.
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 19, 2011 10:40 AM MDT up reply actions
I don't care what position he's at because he really can't play any of them
If he’s getting 400 AB’s – that’s a boatload of innings where you have a huge defensive liability on your hands somewhere in the field. And while he wasn’t supposed to be the starter at any of those positions, I still consider a guy getting 400+ AB’s far from a bench guy.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 19, 2011 10:45 AM MDT up reply actions
How is a player with a negative WAR under both systems for a sample size of nearly 500 games
anything but bad? He’s also going to turn 34 in the next couple of months so it’s actually possible that his production will start getting even worse. He’s so awful.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 19, 2011 9:39 AM MDT up reply actions
yeah, it is
He’s not very good.
But he’s been an average bat at 2/3 positions and he wasn’t supposed to be a starter anyhow.
I’m not saying he’s great. But he’s not the sinkhole he’s being made out to be.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 9:53 AM MDT up reply actions
I never liked the signing
but I’m confused by this late-season revolution of hate against him. What did people expect? You sign a “backup” level guy that nobody else wants, get predictable production, and now everyone hates the guy? He is what he is, what he was, and what he was expected to be.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 19, 2011 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions
by saying I hated the guy
I mean the guy as a baseball player… nothing wrong with him as a person or even a locker room presence. I just hated the signing.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
yeah, that's cool
and well deserved
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 11:46 AM MDT up reply actions
I don't hate him.
I hate how he’s been used, which really isn’t anyone’s fault too much.
by DumbAndNerdy on Aug 19, 2011 11:36 AM MDT up reply actions
Some of the commentary is bordering on personal, which is really what bothers me
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 11:37 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
There is a lot of purple frustration right now
if you are the Astro’s coming into this year you saw it coming, I really saw us as WS Contenders this year.
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And well deserved, too
I guess I just feel that Wigginton is getting an unfair beating.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions
Everybody hates him because he's so incredibly unclutch.
His RISP numbers are terrible. When he homers, the team usually loses. He’s not a great defender.
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 19, 2011 11:51 AM MDT up reply actions
I hate that he's unclutch.
But the homer thing I find somewhat amusing.
And I don’t hate him for either.
Is it 2012 yet?
by DAWNMARIE01 on Aug 19, 2011 11:53 AM MDT up reply actions
There's just all these little reasons to not like him (as a baseball player).
When you watch him everyday, it just gets so brutal seeing him fail in RISP situations. EVERY DAY.
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 19, 2011 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions
Wiggy? Or Tulo...
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your bias is showing
Tulo with RISP: .317/.414/.556
depends on the size of the bat
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dammit, this is the internet Muzia
there is no time for jokes
When did this start?
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by Junction Rox on Aug 19, 2011 2:36 PM MDT up reply actions
pics or it didnt happen
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
2012: get ready for White Pomz!
He is the easiest to catch
try catching EY2 to beat him up
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 12:01 PM MDT up reply actions
I think part of the revolution of hatred
comes from the way he’s struggled. Being turribad in RISP situations is one of the all-time great ways to get fans pissed off at you. As is struggling in late inning or key situations. Look at the amount of complaining we’ve done about Tulo around here on that count. The guy is having a huge overall season, but you wouldn’t know it by some of the reaction. It’s what happens when your failures come in particularly memorable spots…
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by Junction Rox on Aug 19, 2011 11:39 AM MDT up reply actions
There's also the fact that
the season is over so let’s play somebody at 3B who might need the reps there. But I think that the team is moving toward doing this now.
by DumbAndNerdy on Aug 19, 2011 11:42 AM MDT up reply actions
This is a good point
but isn’t Wigginton’s fault and its hard to say playing Nelson at 3b is some grand design. I’d prefer they play him at 2b over another of our random journeymen that aren’t any good.
Right.
I mentioned elsewhere that it isn’t his fault. But we always need someone about whom to vent. We have Wiggy.
by DumbAndNerdy on Aug 19, 2011 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions
That is true
Now that Yorvit is gone and the Tracy doll has been pummeled to unrecognizability, and without Morales anymore, he seems to be a fair choice for next in line.
how has Herrera dodged this
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 12:07 PM MDT up reply actions
Scrappiness > Wigginess?
Is it 2012 yet?
by DAWNMARIE01 on Aug 19, 2011 12:09 PM MDT up reply actions
I honestly laughed out loud at "Wigginess"
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 12:10 PM MDT up reply actions
he hit that one homerun in Florida once
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One in FLA one at Citi Field
maybe he is just bored hitting in easy parks
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Not enough of a role
though essentially similar to Wiggy, but nobody expects much out of slap hitters. Everyone saw those bombs from Wigs in NYC and now expects it every time.
Crap!
damn fan perception
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 12:19 PM MDT up reply actions
chicks dig the long ball
Is it 2012 yet?
by DAWNMARIE01 on Aug 19, 2011 12:21 PM MDT up reply actions
and disdain the lack thereof
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 12:32 PM MDT up reply actions
disdain is a much better description than hate!
Is it 2012 yet?
by DAWNMARIE01 on Aug 19, 2011 12:44 PM MDT up reply actions
For that matter
Wiggy’s WAR is better than Nelson’s. I get wanting to play Nelson to see what he can do, but he doesn’t get tagged with the suckiness the way Wiggy does either…
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by Junction Rox on Aug 19, 2011 1:53 PM MDT up reply actions
WAR is cumulative on playing time
That explains (partially) why Wiggy has a better WAR.
Also one is still in his 20’s and was a 1st round draft pick… the other is an old journeyman.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
Nelson' WAR
Ranks ahead of only Spilly at this point for the season. There’s quite a few guys with fewer PA than Nelson who are ahead of him.
As for Wiggy/Nelson, pick your stat. Aside from defense, Wiggy leads almost all the way across the board.
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by Junction Rox on Aug 19, 2011 2:30 PM MDT up reply actions
That is a fair point
and understandable. But again, it speaks to unreasonable expectations of having some unwanted journeyman come into the clubhouse and turn into David Ortiz in late innings or something. I’m disappointed in him too, and I know its all just internet fan brouhaha nonsense, but its just bizarrely intense in this case.
Don't blame just the internet
My wife’s not on here, and she’s had enough of Wiggy, too. Tells me so every time he comes up to bat.
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Yeah, I didn't see this before I posted my comment ^^^
Agreed completely.
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 19, 2011 11:56 AM MDT up reply actions
At the very least
Wiggy does have the best walkout music by far (La Grange, ZZ Top). Chris Nelson may have the worst (sampled NBA on NBC rap…i miss good Hip Hop).
I didn't know that
he jumps in esteem! What a great song.
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Is it 2012 yet?
eh
I think he’s trying to hard to be Brian Wilson
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 9:53 AM MDT up reply actions
What if he never reads Wilson's tweets?
Maybe he just has a sense of humor?
This year sucks.
by prettyinpurple on Aug 19, 2011 9:53 AM MDT up reply actions
at least they're more entertaining better than tweeting about playing video games all night and eating pancakes
Is it 2012 yet?
by DAWNMARIE01 on Aug 19, 2011 10:00 AM MDT up reply actions
it's a new account yet
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 10:02 AM MDT up reply actions
Needs more hog slopping...
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is spilly on the DL?
or did we DFA/release him?
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DL
Plantar Fasciitis
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 9:53 AM MDT up reply actions
we'll see
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 9:56 AM MDT up reply actions
After the year?
Contract is over.
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 19, 2011 10:30 AM MDT up reply actions
doesn't have the service time to be a FA
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 10:32 AM MDT up reply actions
check Rockies Roster
he’s a NT candidate
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 10:36 AM MDT up reply actions
Well he should be non-tendered then.
Lol
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 19, 2011 10:39 AM MDT up reply actions
If Spilly's on this roster in 2012
The Rockies have officially joined the ranks of the Not Really Even Trying Division.
by Northsider1964 on Aug 19, 2011 3:08 PM MDT up reply actions
that seems odd
hasn’t he been on the ML roster since 2006? I guess I don’t know/care too much about these rules.
not continuously
172 days on the MLB roster is a “year”. You need 6 full years to hit FA.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 11:36 AM MDT up reply actions
That just blows my mind
I mean it all makes sense when you spell it out, but it seems like Spilly has been around forever. It’s hard to think that he hasn’t even reached FA eligibility yet…
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by Junction Rox on Aug 19, 2011 11:41 AM MDT up reply actions
right?
I was clamoring for him to be the opening day CF in 2007, and when he started in the Springs in favor of John Mabry, I had a cow.
I was actually at Coors the day he got the call, and when I got the text, I stood up and started yelling how Spilly was coming back.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 11:42 AM MDT up reply actions
and when he started in the Springs in favor of John Mabry, I had a cow.
I think history will judge you well for this…
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by Junction Rox on Aug 19, 2011 11:46 AM MDT up reply actions
I hope it wasn't during God Bless America
by purplesocks on Aug 19, 2011 11:54 AM MDT up reply actions
not this time
The ushers had a talk with me about that
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 12:02 PM MDT up reply actions
bout damn time
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 9:54 AM MDT up reply actions
Ya but I hate the Cubs... and because I hate the Cubs, I was perfectly fine with Hendry being GM
because he is a truly awful GM.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
If only he were in the Giants organization.
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Yeah but he still finnagled a WS out of that mess
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Sabean's a first-class a-hole
and has had some miserable trades and FA signings. But the man sure can draft – I will hold my nose and give him that much.
by Northsider1964 on Aug 19, 2011 9:58 AM MDT up reply actions
Look I can't stand the miserable SOB
Or the Giants fans who, after seven years of missing the postseason completely, suddenly decided that “Sabes” invented baseball. But he’s on a roll with his high draft picks, that’s all.
by Northsider1964 on Aug 19, 2011 10:05 AM MDT up reply actions
Is it wrong that I've liked Beltran about a thousand times more
Since he started sucking for the Giants and robbed them of yet another pitching beast? No?
I don't root for players to get injured
but when you trade your (only) top pitching arm for 3 months of damaged goods…
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he can draft first round pitchers
the rest of his drafts leave something to be desired
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True, but I would certainly take Posey on my team
by Northsider1964 on Aug 19, 2011 10:03 AM MDT up reply actions
No arguments here
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I bet Posey will come back just fine
If you look at the the fWAR leaders for 2011 right now, three of the top six guys are Tulo, Ellsbury, and Pedroia. All of them missed pretty significant chunks of time last season with injury and just one year later, they are the best in the game.
He still has things to overcome but I’m not going to EXPECT him to be anything less than the player he was.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 19, 2011 10:12 AM MDT up reply actions
Yes but the question is
Will he be able to play catcher. I do like his bat though.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
I'm guessing he will as he's young and has a good chance to bounce back
The question is do the Giants want to keep him there.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 19, 2011 10:18 AM MDT up reply actions
He had the best player in baseball
for a decade, but he couldn’t put a team together that could do much more than one losing trip to the WS. In fact, they were not competitive several times in that decade.
Not quite a genius.
by DumbAndNerdy on Aug 19, 2011 10:06 AM MDT up reply actions
Yeah but he ain't Jim Hendry either
Whose claim to fame was coaching Creighton to the College World Series once – and then he parlayed that into a long tenure as an MLB GM.
Nice guy, but I still can’t figure out how that happened.
by Northsider1964 on Aug 19, 2011 10:13 AM MDT up reply actions
I should add that the Cubs said he wasn't going anywhere like a week ago
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 9:56 AM MDT up reply actions
this is why nobody should read into the Monforts saying that Tracy is safe
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by black_knight101 on Aug 19, 2011 9:57 AM MDT up reply actions
Eh. I dunno.
They said Hurdle was safe for years. Until he wasn’t. Hard to tell with those guys
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that's what i mean
that statement is meaningless. he could be safe, he might not be. there’s no way to know.
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by black_knight101 on Aug 19, 2011 9:59 AM MDT up reply actions
I was trying to say that
every season Hurdle was safe. I mean for like 5 years worth of “FireHurdle”. It took him benching Tulo for that to happen. I think Tracy is safe at least until the offseason
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I agree
the only difference is that this team has higher expectations that those first few years of “FireHurdle”. But they’ll give Tracy a bit of a leash, we forget that he’s only been part of one bad season.
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by black_knight101 on Aug 19, 2011 10:13 AM MDT up reply actions
He should be safe until the offseason
but then the org should really seriously consider its options and/or its realistic goals.
Well, for 5 years people didn't realize what the organization was doing
and were wondering why Hurdle couldn’t use Royce Clayton and Aaron Miles and get the Rockies to the World Series.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 11:39 AM MDT up reply actions
Anyway, that's not why they're going to keep him.
Tracy’s signed through next year.
I think that they legitimately feel that we can compete next year, and they don’t want to rock the boat too much. But he’ll be on the hot seat on 4/1.
by DumbAndNerdy on Aug 19, 2011 10:00 AM MDT up reply actions
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by black_knight101 on Aug 19, 2011 10:05 AM MDT up reply actions
DOD as well I hope
Three years out of the playoffs would be a serious regression I think
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who is the "they" in this statement?
the Monforts? How can anyone look at our potential rotation for next year and consider that it could possibly be a contender in 2012?
The Monforts, yes.
Probably in the same way that people looked at this year’s rotations and thought we could be contenders. Unless they thought that Ubaldo was going to pull down 30 wins.
by DumbAndNerdy on Aug 19, 2011 11:45 AM MDT up reply actions
With DLR healthy
a promising Chacin and Hammel’s respectable track record, this season’s rotation certainly was competitor-worthy. We heard much the same “deepest ever” type stuff. Sure, the over-emphasis on historical WAR valuations and comparisons to SFG and Philly (I think some folks actually made that argument) was legitimately silly, but coming into this year it was certainly reasonable to think it was a playoff caliber rotation if the offense held up its end of the bargain.
Next year we’re purportedly relying on a still-green (and presently fighting hard to avoid smacking into the rookie wall) Chacin as the “anchor” and following him with 2 rooks, a guy teetering on the edge (Hammel) and a [fill in the blank]. There is no way anyone can make a credible case for this being a blueprint for a consistently strong rotation in 2012.
Sure, anything can happen. We went to the WS leaning heavily on Josh Fogg. But let’s be honest here. And fair to the players by not burying them with unrealistic expectations.
How about this:
2011 Opening Day Rotation:
Jimenez
De la Rosa
Chacin
Hammel
Rogers
2012 Opening Day Rotation:
Chacin
White
Pomeranz
Hammel
FA/Rogers
Three of the five pitchers are the same. Is the assumption that we aren’t competitive because we lost Ubaldo and won’t have De La Rosa the whole season?
Chacin has been better than Ubaldo this year. He hasn’t been the first-half-of-2010 Ubaldo, but second-half-of-2010 Ubaldo wasn’t first-half-of-2010 Ubaldo. In fact, second-half-of-2010 Ubaldo looked a lot like first-half-of-2011 Ubaldo. Chacin is at least equal to that guy, if not better, so I think we’re even at the #1 spot. Unless, as I mentioned, you expected to get the first-half-of-2010 Ubaldo this year as well. If that’s the only reason why you thought we were going to be competitive, then I have no argument for you.
White and Pomeranz are rookies, but if even one of them puts up the numbers of a rookie Brett Anderson, Madison Bumgarner, or Clayton Kershaw, they will be an improvement over every pitcher we put out there this year except Chacin both historically and over this season. They would still be an improvement over Ubaldo this year, but not historically. At least one of them, if not both, will do this.
If the other one only puts up numbers equivalent to Nicasio, which I think is an acceptable expectation, then he is still equivalent to what DLR put up this year, and has put up historically.
Thus, both Pomeranz and White are acceptable replacements for De La Rosa. On top of this, De La Rosa will be back. Nicasio might be back.
Hammel is still Hammel. His numbers this year are still slightly off from his numbers last year, but not drastically so. I’m not sure how you could have had higher expectations for him at the beginning of this year than the beginning of next year.
The Rogers/Cook spot will receive an improvement in one of two ways:
1) Free Agency
2) Juan Nicasio
Maybe this doesn’t prove competitiveness, but the 2011 rotation had just as many question marks as the 2012 rotation will. Questions like:
1) Will the ace be able to hold up? (Ubaldo/Chacin)
2) Will the young middle-of-the-roation guys be able to live up to their promise? (Hammel/Chacin – Pomeranz/White)
3) Will the 5th starter actually be an effective MLB pitcher? (Rogers/Cook – Rogers/Cook/FA)
The only additional certainty in 2011 was JDLR. But that certainty was a middle-of-the-rotation pitcher who had only pitched over 130 innings once in his career.
We compete because we have a decent, not great, rotation and two of the best players in the game surrounded by (hopefully) a more competent cast of sidekicks.
by DumbAndNerdy on Aug 19, 2011 1:08 PM MDT up reply actions
Interesting takes
but its fair to say I disagree with at least three pretty key positions in your argument:
1. Expectations for Chacin 2012 are not equivalent to Ubaldo 2011. Even if we lost 2010-level Ubaldo, that cat cat was still a good pitcher from 2007-2009 as well. His talent (or “stuff”) is unmistakably superior to Chacin, even now. Whether or not his injury derailed him to a 2/3 level guy, no legitimate analyst could credibly compare the reasonable expectations of pre-season 2011 Ubaldo to 2012 Chacin. Chacin hasn’t even had a full season of consistent performance yet, and he’s presently showing some serious inconsistency. Your expectations for him are unreasonable, and your casual dismissal of the value of a proven pitcher like Ubaldo (even at 2nd half 2010 levels, which was still damn good) is abusive to your position. 2011 Ubaldo was disappointing for the most part, but that’s not the argument here.
2. DLR was a big loss. He was expected to, and was, pitching at a TOR level before the injury (particularly for Coors Field standards). Dismissing his 2011 as mid-rotation is not credible and comparing him to Nicasio is only reasonable if you are trying to say neither is Roy Halladay. Even so, we don’t get that guy coming out of the blocks in 2012, and may not get him at all. We don’t get Nicasio either. The guy may never pitch again.
3. Rookie expectations. Sure, if we get both Kershaw and Anderson out of these cats, everything changes. Huzzah! All we need is a couple of uber-elite performances out of a guy with 15 ML innings and another with 20 some AA innings? Too easy, I say. We’ve got this sucker beat. Snark aside, even Kershaw (who was good but not elite as a rook) and Nicasio-level, we might be respectably good (assuming Chacin is also equally as good), say maybe 2010 level overall if the rest of your rotation assumptions break right. I’m not going to put those kind of expectations on these guys, though. Your position requires 400ish innings of pretty legit pitching from Pom and White to come to fruition, which is possible I suppose. Feel free hold those types of expectations, though, as it falls in line with the wishin’ and hopin’ strategy we’re seeing from DOD’s next-gen “strategery”.
And this all leaves aside offensive expectations. Under your logic, we only need a solid rotation to compete if we have a big boy offense. But presently there are no legit reasons to think our offense is going to be materially improved next year, on paper or on the field. Thus, even more pressure on a pitching staff to perform.
Anyway, whatever. I don’t want to spoil everyone’s fun. I’ll be watching the 2012 games too, and cheering along. But I remain entirely unconvinced by this or any argument that this team is poised to be a threat in 2012.
Here's the problem:
You wrote the following:
How can anyone look at our potential rotation for next year and consider that it could possibly be a contender in 2012?
There is no way anyone can make a credible case for this being a blueprint for a consistently strong rotation in 2012.
Just because you don’t believe it does not mean that there aren’t perfectly sound reasons for believing it. You did not address one of my points about how expectations between 2011 and 2012 rotations are not that different.
Your counterarguments were:
1) Ubaldo is better than Chacin. I already addressed this several times. He WAS better than Chacin, but I don’t think that you can argue that he alone made for competitive expectations for the 2011 rotation.
2) JDLR was pitching well this year before he got hurt. Yes. But he was also pitching above his career stats and may have easily returned back to that level over the course of a season. I’m not sure who was expecting him to be pitching this way. The expectations on him could not have been that much higher than the expectations on, say Hammel, whose 2009 and 2010 stats were not too far from JDLRs. His career WAR in 8 season is 4.8. His career ERA+ is 95, which puts him below league average.
I also think it’s interesting that you discount Ublado’s performance this year, yet use JDLR’s performance this year to support your claims. That’s a pretty big inconsistency in your argument. It’s cherry-picking the good and the bad for the best. That’s an easy way to make an argument, but not a very good one.
3) Rookies can’t be trusted. I would like to see statistically why we can’t trust Pom or White to give us at least Nicasio-level performances next year. I can think of tons of rookie pitchers, with less talent, who have equalled that level of performance. I named a few of them in my post. Why can’t we have expectations on this two to do the same? You may not want to, but that’s your choice. I would argue that that choice is not based on fact. Please explain.
And fair to the players by not burying them with unrealistic expectations.
In addition to this, you seem to not want to put high expectations on these players. Yet, you were willing to except JDLR, Hammel, Chacin, and Rogers to carry high expectations last year, since this collection of, up-to-that-point league average pitchers was expected to compete. I would argue that it is more unreasonable to place high expectations on pitchers who have not demonstrated in their careers that they are capable of attaining them than on rookies who have yet to set their ceilings and floors.
This is why I see very little difference in expectations for the 2011 rotation than the 2012 rotation outside of Ubaldo. But I don’t think that Ubaldo should have been your only reason for expecting the 2011 rotation to be competitive. If he was, I have no argument for you.
Sure, the over-emphasis on historical WAR valuations and comparisons to SFG and Philly (I think some folks actually made that argument) was legitimately silly, but coming into this year it was certainly reasonable to think it was a playoff caliber rotation if the offense held up its end of the bargain.
My whole point was that, with about an equal amount of hope that was put in the 2011 rotation, we can expect to compete with the 2012 rotation. Despite your claims that this is near impossible, you have not demonstrated how a rotation that has three of the five same pitchers, with the clear possibility of an improvement over one of those pitchers (Rogers), and an infusion of two talented young pitchers is vastly inferior to the preceding rotation which you claim was playoff-caliber. So inferior that there is no way that we can be competitive next year.
by DumbAndNerdy on Aug 19, 2011 2:51 PM MDT up reply actions
While I take issue
With most of this, particularly your overestimation of Chacin’s expectations relative to Ubaldo as well as the bizarre JDLR analysis (which spins my head as to why you’d choose to go full career in his case, but your issue there is evidently more with DOD giving a 40MM contract to your perception of a Jason Hammel-level player, but that’s another matter). I also have never argued anything about Rogers/Cook (or the 5th spot) though I remain curious as to how that spot is likely to be materially upgraded.
1. We agree that expectations for 2011 were legitimately playoff level performances (unless you are really arguing that neither was/is really likely to be anything special, which is possible).
2. We differ in that you think replacing expected 2011 Ubaldo/JDLR contributions with reasonable 2012 Pom/White is of no material significance. (Though you did cloud this by suggesting merely a Nicasio-level performance, which you presumably contend was at least playoff worthy for the SP2 and SP3 spots in the rotation…ok. Can we borrow Boston’s offense though?) Obviously we are worlds apart on this.
Surely, you will be right if we get Kershaw (not rookie year, of course, but first full season) and Anderson here. But for your three nice examples of rooks that killed it (none of which did so over 200 innings, and Kersh/Bum not close) we could easily run around looking at Andrew Miller and Rick Porcello and Brian Matusz and Homer Bailey and some guy named Franklin Morales or whatever. And certainly you’ve got more bullets for your gun. We could spin around all day.
Hey man I hope you prove to be right. I think you are likely to be pretty disappointed, though, if you really expect a playoff year in 2012 without any further significant changes to the roster and I doubt your view will be reflected in what analysts say, but none of that really matters I suppose. That’s why they play the games. Go Rox.
I agree with you and think it is unwise to really put high expectations on White or Pom
Looking at the top 10 pitchers in baseball according to fWAR this season, here are their fWARs from their rookie season
1) Halladay – .9 WAR over 149 IP
2) Verlander – 3.1 WAR over 186 IP
3) Sabathia – 2.9 WAR over 180 IP
4) Kershaw – 1.4 WAR over 109 IP
5) Weaver – 2.6 WAR over 120 IP
6) Haren – .7 WAR over 76 IP
7) Lee – 1.5 WAR over 179 IP (he actually had a couple seasons before that but I dont think he ever burned through his rookie status yet)
8) Hamels – 2.6 WAR over 132 IP
9) Cain – 3.5 WAR over 190 IP
10) Masterson – .8 WAR over 88 IP
So I think AT BEST, we should expect Pom/White to combine for 5-6 WAR. With 2011 Ubaldo expectations being 5-6 WAR and DLR 4-5 WAR, you would need Chacin to go from the 3 WAR player he is this year to an expected 6-7 WAR player next season to make up the difference in total expectations
I hope that all made sense. I kind of just threw it together while I am at work and don’t really have time to re-read and think about it more carefully
Why did you choose these pitchers?
I think you would want to choose pitchers with similar tracks and paths through the minors.
Either way, I don’t think that 4–5 WAR from both is bad estimate. But my contention is that DLR was not a 4–5 WAR pitcher. And you are making up WAR from the #5 spot in 2012 that will also limit how high Chacin has to go.
Thus, we’re not talking about such a huge difference there. That the playoffs are now nearly impossible.
by DumbAndNerdy on Aug 19, 2011 5:02 PM MDT up reply actions
My point isn't what I expect. It's what is reasonable.
First off, I never said that I thought we could compete without further changes. There will certainly be further changes.
The discussion was centered around the viability of expectations, particularly those related to the rotation. Personally, I didn’t think we came into 2011 with a playoff-caliber rotation. I don’t think we’re going into 2012 with a playoff caliber rotation either.
But, is it possible the we can compete? Absolutely. Your previous statements, which is why I quoted them, seemed to suggest that being competitive next year is out of the question. Not only do I think this is wrong, but I’m 100% sure that the Rockies think that this is wrong. If you remember, the Rockies organizational perception is what started this conversation.
My point of contention is with your statements that suggest that anyone who thinks that we can be competitive next year is some kind of fool. I’m going to guess that you might have said the same thing last year to anyone who thought we WEREN’T going to compete this year. Yet, here we are.
The truth is that this is a hit-and-miss team in a weak division. You can count them out for 2012 by assuming that the various under performances and injuries of the current year will continue into the next. I don’t think that that this is very likely.
We still stack up pretty well against our divisional competition. I’m not going to rule the 2012 Rockies out in August of 2011, nor am I some kind of deluded fool to do so.
by DumbAndNerdy on Aug 19, 2011 4:01 PM MDT up reply actions
Never said you were a fool
rather, that I see no rational basis for your position. Maybe those are the same thing, I guess. I dunno, not trying to be too mean about it amigo. No intention of stealing hopes and dreams. By April 2012, i’m sure I’ll have fallen under the spell myself.
Anyway, your concession above that 2011 was not playoff caliber is pretty revealing, and makes more sense (in terms of understanding your argument, I of course disagree with it.) I wish you would have dropped that during spring training though, this place would have melted down to the ground. The common perception here was that it was the best pitching staff in franchise history, by a wide margin.
And I’m quite sure the Rox think they will be competitive next year…publicly. DOD cannot admit to a rebuild for PR, ticket sales and related purposes. I guess I just think its not a very credible position. (Other than the good old “the division sucks so we can hang” argument, which I’m not really crediting for team building purposes but might be right in reality).
I said you were a fool.
Just the other day I was talking to my friend and said, ‘Hey, guess what – there’s this Rowbot named PetroCW. He be a fool.’
/I keed/ :)
Is it 2012 yet?
i think most people thought that DLR was going to take huge steps forward this year and that includes the Rockies who gave him 30 million dollars over the next 3 years which many considered a discount on his true market value
and there definitely is an expectation difference between Hammel going into 2011 and 2012. He has taken a huge step back this year with his K rate falling and BBs increasing. His FIP has gone up by 1.5 runs.
Going into 2011, my expectations were
1) Ubaldo 5-6 WAR pitcher, I figured 2009 would be his average season
2) DLR 4-5 WAR pitcher, had shown flashes of #2 stuff. I expected him to finally put it all together
3) Chacin 3-4 WAR pitcher, great rookie campaign and figured he would build on it
4) Hammel 3-4 WAR pitcher, he had done this the previous two seasons and seemed pretty consistent
5) Cook/whoever else, 1 WAR. I did not think cook was going to be good but figured they could figure out a way to get a win out of their 5 hole
Going into next year right now I expect:
1) Chacin 3-4 WAR. He has actually regressed a little from 2010 but overall he has had a pretty good season.
2) DLR: 1-2 WAR. Coming off TJ surjury I think it will take at least until May for him to pitch and even a little longer to return to the DLR we saw at the beginning of his season. May not even happen until 2012
3) White: 2 WAR. I imagine White will pitch pretty well at times but like most rookies will struggle with consistency. He will also be on an innings cap
4) Hammel: After this season 1 WAR if he even stays on the team. He has looked pretty dreadful this year and his peripherals have taken a big step back. My expectations are low.
5) Pomerez: Hes the tricky one. I expect no more than 2 WAR as he will most likely be on more of an innings cap than White and unlike White hasn’t yet pitched in the majors.
So yes, I think it is fair to say that expectations should be lower going into 2012 than they were for 2011. I think that were we to start the season with both DLR and Nicasio, highly unlikely, my expectations would be higher for 2012 but still not at the levels they were for 2011.
Now at this moment, my expectations for 2013 are currently higher than my 2012 expectations and we haven’t even finished 2011 yet, haha.
Wouldn't you say that those
expectations for 2011 were pretty unreasonable?
You have every pitcher except Ubaldo doubling their highest season WAR in the same year.
I guess what I’m saying is that, if you put even half of that expectation (ie. a 50% increase in WAR rather than a 100%+ increase in WAR), along with good seasons from the rookies, you get a serviceable rotation.
Just because we were disappointed this year doesn’t automatically mean that next year will also be the same, thus we should drastically reduce expectations.
by DumbAndNerdy on Aug 19, 2011 4:07 PM MDT up reply actions
I'd say
he’s too high on Hammel for sure, and probably should have had a 3-5 range for DLR, but otherwise its probably pretty close to the common reasonable upside expectations for this team.
ok so what are common reasonable upside expectations for 2012?
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by black_knight101 on Aug 19, 2011 4:17 PM MDT up reply actions
What? The only guy I had doubling was DLR
Chacin was a 3 WAR pitcher in 2010, Hammel was a 3.8 WAR pitcher in 2010. I expected Chacin to take a small step forward and go to 4 WAR, Hammel to stay about the same, and Cook to regress.
I will admit that my expectations for DLR were high compared to his career numbers but I thought he truly was a great pitcher in 2010 but battled an injury which caused his overall numbers to stay low.
Here is ZIPs projections for 2011
They had Hammel, DLR, and Chacin all taking steps forward from 2010 levels and Ubaldo continuing to be an Ace.
so to answer your question, no I dont think my projections were that unreasonable
and I would be interested in seeing what you expected since you thought this wasnt a playoff caliber rotation
Expecting JdlR to be great this year
wasn’t an uncommon expectation, and I don’t think it was an unreasonable one based on his 2010. AFAIC, his numbers in KC were about as relevant in setting expectations for him as my little league numbers would be. He clearly has become a totally different pitcher during the time he’s been in Colorado.
Add 2010 JdlR to the 2010 Ubaldo we hoped for or expected, a Chacin growing into his talent and improving over 2010, and Hammel and Cook/Rogers doing what they do, and I think it was very reasonable to think we could contend with that pitching. The offense always worried me, but not really the pitching so much.
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by Junction Rox on Aug 19, 2011 4:32 PM MDT up reply actions
I have been using fangraphs this whole thread
2010
Hammel: 3.7
Chacin: 3.54
DLR: 1.7
Cook: 1.5
Ubaldo: 6.3
Well, there's part of the problem.
Could you use ERA+ to determine the their rating against league average?
That’s mostly how I like to look at things. I’m not too high on FG pitching WAR.
by DumbAndNerdy on Aug 19, 2011 4:51 PM MDT up reply actions
I do admit that I also am not too high on pitching WAR but for something like this, I think it works to show the changes I expected
Basically when I was doing my preseason expectation summary I went off the basis of Ubaldo will be similar to 09, DLR would make a big improvement, Chacin will see an improvement, Hammel will stay the same, and Cook will decline.
So since I was already at Fangraphs, I just used their WAR in my post and reflected what my expectations were based off of the player’s fWAR from 2010.
Had I been at BR, I probably would have wrote I expected DLR to be a 3-4 WAR pitcher, Hammel to be in the 1-2 WAR range, Cook to be 0-1, and Chacin to be 3-4 range.
The way I look at it with ERA+ is that
coming into 2011 the Rockies had two above average pitchers (Ublado and Chacin), two average pitchers (DLR and Hammel), and one below average pitcher (Cook).
Going into 2012, I think we’ll have one above average pitcher (Chacin), and four average pitchers (White, Pomeranz, Hammel, #5).
If Pomeranz or White can be above average, we are pretty close to the expected rotation results for this year. If not, we’re still better than the actual results this year.
I say that neither is playoff-caliber because a playoff-caliber because I few a playoff-caliber rotation as one with three above average pitchers.
The biggest pint of contention is whether DLR was above average. I suppose I was an outlier thinking that he was not, but I stand by my belief until he proves otherwise over a full season.
by DumbAndNerdy on Aug 19, 2011 5:09 PM MDT up reply actions
Innings caps
are another very key point. I’ve been considering them and I don’t think they’ve made it into my argument explicitly, but obviously are of huge significance. I have not heard DOD speak to this, but it seems pretty unlikely that Pom for sure, and possibly White, won’t be restricted.
you think Pom wont be restricted?
I think one reason why he might not be in the opening day rotation is so that his innings ARE restricted.
Didn’t Kershaw go on the DL with a phantom injury his sophomore season just so his innings would be cut back?
I would expect the Rockies to be more cautious with Pom than White although I think they will be with both anyways.
I may have phrased it poorly
but I definitely think Pom will be restricted. Harder to say with White, but there will be some careful-steppin’ to be sure. I think its pretty optimistic that Pom even makes the opening day rotation, but I’ll be shocked if he pitches more than 120 or so in the show next year best-case.
duh, you phrased it correctly. i just reread it
haha reading comprehension ftl
And this MAY have been afer they already fired him in July
Oh Cubs, never change
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 19, 2011 10:04 AM MDT up reply actions
That's the best move that organization's made in a long, long time
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 19, 2011 9:56 AM MDT up reply actions
according to Twitter
he was actually fired in mid-July, but stayed around “to help get the draft picks signed”
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 9:59 AM MDT up reply actions
kind of looking like that at this point
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 10:02 AM MDT up reply actions
Noooo who else will I mock now?
The Cubs will still sign Pujols or Fielder to an eleventy billion dollar contract
FFFFFFFFFFF.
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"Hello, my name is Mr. Yrdneh....yes that will do...and i come from some place...far away.
May I suggest hiring former Cubs GM Jim Hendry for a position in your front office?"
FFFFFFFFFFF.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Aug 19, 2011 11:07 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
There goes Keith Law hating the Rockies again
He’s got Tulo in his top 3 for NL MVP..
I don't think he hates Rockies players/prospects
he generally has a fair evaluation of them. But he’s always making snide comments about Tracy and the FO.
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by black_knight101 on Aug 19, 2011 10:25 AM MDT up reply actions
except Matzek
he used to mock him every chat, but hasn’t said a word since he’s been pitching well. Silence.
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yeah I used the word "generally" on purpose
I think I might tweet him and see if he wants to give me his opinion on Matzek
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by black_knight101 on Aug 19, 2011 10:29 AM MDT up reply actions
Recently he tweeted he won't have Bettis on his top 100 next year
May have to do with him being in High A since he’s really big on college pitchers needing to prove it in AA for him to get super excited. His opinion which I’m sure will change if he does well in AA.
I'm in the same boat on Bettis as well
85% sold on him, but need AA confirmation
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yep exactly
Bettis is going to be in some top 100s but not most. it’s understandable.
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by black_knight101 on Aug 19, 2011 10:33 AM MDT up reply actions
sounds about where I am
A bit more like 75%, but the point stands.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 10:36 AM MDT up reply actions
The big thing about Bettis is where his ceiling currently sits
That’s the reason to get so excited there.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 19, 2011 10:40 AM MDT up reply actions
Here's a win for the coaches in A ball
Turning a college closer into a legit prospect. They seem to have made all the right moves with this kid so far.
he mockes more the change to mechanics
if that indeed was the case. He had Matzek in the top 20 to being the year
He made a lefthanded crack
about Matzek in his chat yesterday, or more specifically alluded to the Rox’s tinkering with him.
I agree on Tracy
But I don’t remember reading anything negative about DOD. I may be wrong but I thought he was a supporter of DOD.
so are we
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 10:29 AM MDT up reply actions
I know it was brought up earlier in the week
but this is a great start to the contract for Tulo. Having this season validated by at least one prominent baseball writer is great news for Tulo’s national image. It may be a down year but with Cargo putting up great numbers since his slow start and the potential of the our rotation, we aren’t far from being a playoff team.
This now makes two straight days of positive Rockies coverage (Neyer’s Coors Field experience) from outside sources. Couple that with Nicasio’s Coors appearance and White/Pom’s starts in AA and now I’m in feeling really good about the Rox! I feel like I did in April.
I like the pitching outlook
but still haven’t figured out how we score more runs in 2012 (hoping and praying don’t count).
Bleed purple
We have the two great pieces
So we’ll go from there. I really don’t know what the offseason is going to hold for us but we could be worse off. I’m been having this discussion with some friends and I’m slowly convincing them we’re going to pry Freese away from the Cards. With Wainwright’s option having to be picked up, Pujols resigning and their stud 3rd baseman ready for the bigs, I can see STL moving some salary. STL will be in win now mode which makes it a great time to poach!
I love the Freese idea
and they need some more arms coming up. They have Miller near ready, but their other top prospect is still years away
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it'd be Friedrich +, but I love the idea
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Friedrich + Field for Freese?
F YEAH
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sorry, those names don't start with F
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Dave Duncan could do some nasty stuff with Rodgers
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Could we throw in
F’ingWigginton?
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by Junction Rox on Aug 19, 2011 11:34 AM MDT up reply actions
I know you're half joking
But I wouldn’t put it past DLR to look for Theriot’s replacement.
Is this innacurate?
http://www.spotrac.com/mlb/st.-louis-cardinals/david-freese/
Says Freese is an unrestricted free agent at year end.
No.
He has 3 years of Arb left
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 11:38 AM MDT up reply actions
OK. Figured he didn't have the ML time to go FA.
Exhibit #128,434,234 of why you should never trust anything you read on teh internets.
Never believe anything you hear, and only half of what you see
Seriously though, Cot’s Contracts is a marvelous resource for this stuff.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 11:45 AM MDT up reply actions
I wish every team had a www.___roster.com
Rockiesroster is so freaking useful
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YOU HEAR THAT GREG?!
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions
honestly, is there anyway we can share the coding for it
with the other SBN sites. Every team MUST have one or two guys that are also transactions-crazy and can set this up.
We could take over the world.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 19, 2011 12:06 PM MDT up reply actions
Give Greg something he can use :-)
honestly, is there anyway we cansharesell the coding for it
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 19, 2011 2:38 PM MDT up reply actions
@ashtonkutcher
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I thought Bell was closer than that
I don’t follow the minors too closely but he’s in AA now so next year shouldn’t be a stretch.
This is a really interesting idea.
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by Junction Rox on Aug 19, 2011 11:33 AM MDT up reply actions
Worries me too
To compete, this team has to get consistent every day production from 3B and RF. And no doing on the cheap, with more scrap heap guys. Make free agent runs at guys like Aramis Ramirez and Michael Cuddyer, to name two.
If (and this is a big if) this team can get better fundamentally and learn how to win, they really aren’t that far off. If they can’t improve fundamentally, or they just don’t have a winning makeup, we’re far away.
One year ago today...
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 19, 2011 10:26 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
rec for NEVAR FERGIT
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 10:29 AM MDT up reply actions
You should've posted it at 8:47am
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Aug 19, 2011 10:41 AM MDT up reply actions
Too buried in Know Your Foe
or else I would have had a shot at doing so.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 19, 2011 10:48 AM MDT up reply actions
Why does Justin Upton get a complete pass on Home/Road splits
every single article about Cargo last year mentioned his Home/Road split I haven’t seen anyone bring it up for Upton
Cargo 2010
Home
.380 .425 .737 1.161
Road
.289 .322 .453 .775
Upton 2011
Home
.359/.429/.658 1.087
Road
.242/.314/.445 .759
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 11:07 AM MDT up reply actions
In fact, I'm gonna steal that. Are you on twitter? I'll mention you as a h/t
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 11:07 AM MDT up reply actions
It's the Internet Man you can take whatever you want!
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Just wanted to give credit where it's due ;-)
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 11:12 AM MDT up reply actions
I still like my Jeff Cirrillo
Home/Road/Overall splits best I love when something jumps out at you like a guy who hasn’t had a lower than 800 road OPS in his career suddenly turning in a .630 road OPS his first year here
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cause when everybody checks stats for a Rockies player
the first thing they do is check the H/R splits
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by black_knight101 on Aug 19, 2011 11:07 AM MDT up reply actions
don't forget Josh Hamilton last year too!
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clearly you don't understand the rules
only rockies players have bad H/R splits
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OT: I have an interesting OT article
about decision fatigue. Obviously it applies to life, but who knows maybe sometimes even baseball players and managers suffer this …..I thought it was fascinating.
Now I can’t decide what to do next…..
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have a beer.
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by maris61 on Aug 19, 2011 11:57 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
ah good ol' ego depletion
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I thought it was a fascinating study.
Well I can’t really decide now that I think about it.
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ego depletion is serious stuff
I actually didn’t read what you linked but recognized it right away. It’s really cool. The mind is a muscle yo – between this and neural plasticity.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Very interesting.
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"...buffalo chicken is a fine anti-depressant, after all." -UZ
"... One order of buffalo wings, please..." -Yokel, after July 30, 2011
Tulo had a
173/.236/.337 .573 .151BABIP from the end of April to the begining of June since then he has a .346/.406/.586 line
Cargo had a three week stretch after that April series where he hit .158/.210/.228 .438 .205BABIP since then he has a .305/.379/.574 .953 .323BABIP line that is some pretty nice production from the two guys we owe money too.
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so next year we need to remember that the more rainouts in May, the better
2011 Rockies -- what the hell?
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Why yes I do
I’m a pretty serious jersey collector.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 19, 2011 12:08 PM MDT up reply actions
if you take that Massanari jersey I will slaughter you
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 12:09 PM MDT up reply actions
I think I'm only going to bid on the Matzek.
Although I’m confused because the picture doesn’t match the description
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 19, 2011 12:10 PM MDT up reply actions
let’s see, I have $100 just sitting around…
Matzek? Nah. ISAIAH FRONEBERGER
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/partypartyparty
Remember that it’s an auction
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2011 12:18 PM MDT up reply actions
You can get a Nick Schnaitmann for the same $
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by Junction Rox on Aug 19, 2011 1:59 PM MDT up reply actions
OMG. WANT. SO. MUCH.
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/wipes away tear
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Aug 19, 2011 1:21 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Stare closely kiddies, as you witness what evolved into the black sleeveless vest we have today.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Aug 19, 2011 1:03 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm sorry, but this would be okay on
a towel or blanket, but no person should ever wear this. Well, a snuggie might be cool. But that’s where I draw the line.
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Actually a snuggie with that on it would be pretty sweet
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I know right?
I have one that’s just plain purple bought in hopes of attending another cold play-off game last year. This one would be way more awesome!
Is it 2012 yet?
Look at how wrong you are.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Aug 19, 2011 1:45 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
whoa, matzek wears a 2XL?
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The part of this season that's frustrating is knowing that while the future is bright, we still could be so close now
I almost feel that we set ourselves up by relying too much on guys like Ian Stewart and Jose Lopez to improve upon what they’ve done and what they’re capable. Quite frankly, I feel almost as if the Rockies are setting themselves up for the same mistake as this year in asking a guy in Chris Nelson to suddenly transform from a .620 OPS guy to a .750-.800 bat. I get that Nelson has the talent to step it up very suddenly, but so did Stewart. They each have a different flaw that kills them; Stew’s lack of pitch recognition and Nelson’s lack of ability to take a walk (which he also has not done in the minors the past 2 years). Pitchers are consistently taking advantage of it.
This is we whey we need to be proactive and find another weapon in the lineup. Personally, I miss the days of 2007 when our lineup was loaded, there were little holes, and when each player had a specific role. I also really miss the complexion of having a strong 3-6 where it was really hard to find an out. Hell, we HAVE three parts of that already in Helton/Giambi, Tulo, and CarGo. Arenado has the ability to be that 4th weapon but he’s still at least a year away.
As most have stated, we should probably go out and sign Michael Cuddyer, and if there’s a problem financially, we should trade Street or Wiggy to get the money. Cuddyer is the prototypical 5 hitter that would thrive in this lineup, especially as he gets away from the pitcher friendly Target Field. Also, this would hurt ourselves defensively, but I would put him at third. He has a history defending it (though not great), and when Helton starts downtrending again, Cuddyer could be our immediate solution at first. This also allows us to keep Smith around until Blackmon/Wheeler prove they can hit in the bigs. This also gives us a lineup of Fowler/Ellis/CarGo/Tulo/Helton/Cuddyer/Smith/Iannetta that Tracy can feel confident putting out there everyday.
It’s not often that we’re one player away, but I really feel as if DOD has been waiting for that one player to complement Tulo and CarGo to come, but there’s nobody in sight who can fulfill that until Arenado.
2011: A new year and a new chance at a championship.
Also, counterpoint to any Cuddyer defense things
Ask any Cardinals fans if they’re complaining about Lance Berkman right now.
2011: A new year and a new chance at a championship.
I'm still not on board with Cuddyer, but you make excellent points
just last night, I was wondering if we were going to enter 2012 with a lower payroll than 2011.
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Why not?
Say we put Cuddyer at third over Nelson/Wiggy. Cuddyer is on track for about 35, 40 runs over replacement this season. Wigginton is about on track for half of that, he’s an average bat, and he has shown he’s just that with bad defense consistently in his career. Nelson can be more, but starting him runs the risk of him hitting under .700, and that doesn’t mention that his ceiling next season (but not for his career) is probably an a slightly above average bat with solid defense. Probably 2-2.5 WAR is his ceiling. Now lets say Cuddyer gives back a win with his defense, but puts up the offensive numbers he’s shown in his career. He’s still over 3 WAR, maybe even getting close to 4 now that he isn’t defending first, which is worth the likely 10 mill we’re paying him. It’s a clear upgrade, and as I said, it adds a totally different dynamic to the lineup, eliminates a black hole, and gives less options for Tracy to screw around with the lineup.
2011: A new year and a new chance at a championship.
he'll be 33 at the start of next year
and I can’t see him signing for less than for years.
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Remember when 33 seemed old?
/talking to myself again
by Charlie77 on Aug 19, 2011 1:05 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I do remember
Which means I’m not too old yet.
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I like the idea for 2012
and maybe even for 2013.
But I don’t like the price in 2014-2015
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But the thing is, he wouldn't be playing third for more than a year and a half
Helton is almost definitely gone after 2013. Cuddyer would be his replacement. Arenado would replace Cuddyer at third. A 35-36 year old Cuddyer at first would still be pretty good, though he will be declining.
As for the bidding, if it’s really strong for Cuddyer, then I expect it to be 4 years, but with Pujols, Fielder, Berkman, and Beltran above him in the free agent pecking order, then those teams will be seeking those players for the impact bat. I expect it to take 3 years and mutual or vesting option for a 4th year.
2011: A new year and a new chance at a championship.
That's what Im concerned about with Cuddyer
Those stupid-ass contracts that are going to given to Pujols and Fielder may cause his deal to be too much for too long
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Aug 19, 2011 1:35 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
cuddyer is currenty having the best year of his career at age 32
his .370 wOBA is pretty good, sure. however, he’s 32. his career wOBA is .346. his ZIPS ROS is .344. the chances of him still being a positive contributor at age 35 are not good, not at all. and when you factor in his atrocious defense… do not want.
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by papality on Aug 19, 2011 1:44 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I would take Cuddyer over Wiggy in a freaking millisecond
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Aug 19, 2011 1:06 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
We should have just resigned Holliday as a FA after the 09 Season
Then we would have a Cargo, Tulo, Helton, Holliday middle of the order
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If we did that, I don't think we'd ever hear LOL CHEAPFARTZ again
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A 100 million dollar payroll would have pulled it off
he is getting 15.2 with 2 million per defered.
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that would require Holliday desiring to resign with us
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Dear Captain O'Dowd - Please consult this wall when deciding on when to part ways with Mr. Giambi:
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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Sincerely,
Some guy with a creepy avatar.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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I find your avatar
erotic in a weird way…
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Cree. P.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Aug 19, 2011 1:09 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Maybe he just had to write that 1000 times for a school punishment?
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He did it the lazy way then. Gotta use one of those things that holds 5 pieces of chalk if you get that type of punishment.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Aug 19, 2011 1:15 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
O/T: I just spoke with a guy at my job, whom I'm certain is a former Rockies t p
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O/T: I just spoke with a guy at my job that I'm almost certain is a former t Rockies player living in Japan
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Aug 19, 2011 1:32 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
josh fields?
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Nope, not THAT recent. roughly 3-5 years ago recent
No, not Matsui
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Aug 19, 2011 1:37 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Matt Murton?
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I'm not going to name drop. :-X
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You know what man.
You can’t just come in here, and name hint but not name drop. Poor form!!
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He was a pitcher.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Aug 19, 2011 1:47 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Mark Redman?
How the world will end in 2012: George of the Roses builds a Machine that Pommels everyone with La Violencia during Whiteouts.
Wrong.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Aug 19, 2011 1:50 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Speier?
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I knoooooow nothing.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Aug 19, 2011 2:04 PM MDT up reply actions
Do I win a prize?
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I have no idea what youre talking about
/knows nothing
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That's your story and you're sticking to it?
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OT: The West Memphis Three are free!
\m/
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 19, 2011 1:33 PM MDT reply actions
Are you going to make me google that for myself?
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Never mind I just saw it on Twitter.
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OTish?
Why is “The Sandlot” trending on twitter? More importantly, why I am hooked on twitter now?
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Because it's on TV right now
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 19, 2011 1:43 PM MDT up reply actions
So everyone is chillin' and watchin' the Sandlot and telling everyone that's what they're doing?
Is it 2012 yet?
I can't find it on my TV right now. :(
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No TV and no beer make LDMM.....something....something.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Aug 19, 2011 2:06 PM MDT up reply actions
productive?
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Junction Rox on Aug 19, 2011 3:38 PM MDT up reply actions
smalls, you're killing me
FOR-EV-ER
Rockies record when I am in attendance: 6-5
Someone posted this at talking chop, that team is going to be very good for a while
2011 Braves rookie pitchers combined numbers •Average age: 23
•273 IP (24% of total Braves IP)
•K/9: 10.45
•BB/9: 3.49
•K/BB: 2.99
•ERA: 3.66
•FIP: 2.87
[Beachy, Minor, Kimbrel, Gearrin, Ascencio, Varvaro, Terehan, Vizcaino]
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here you go
1. Tony Gwynn (L) LF
2. Justin Sellers® SS
3. Aaron Miles (S) 3B
4. Matt Kemp® CF
5. Juan Rivera® RF
6. James Loney (L) 1B
7. Rod Barajas® C
8. Jamey Carroll® 2B
9. Hiroki Kuroda® P
DO YOU KNOW HOW HARD IT WAS TO DROP UBALDO AND NICASIO FROM MY FANTASY LEAGUE? I'VE HAD UBALDO SINCE 2008.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
Rox lineup
interesting to see the Fonz on Friday, maybe CDI is going to play Sat. and Sunday.
Fowler CF
Nelson 3B
Gonzalez RF
Tulowitzki SS
Helton 1B
Smith LF
Alfonzo C
Ellis 2B
Hammel P
hard to complain about this one.
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by black_knight101 on Aug 19, 2011 3:59 PM MDT reply actions
Needs more Iannetta
"I think I speak for everyone in here when I say: It''s playoffs or bust"- Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger
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yeah he's kind of on fire right now too
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by black_knight101 on Aug 19, 2011 4:07 PM MDT up reply actions
Maybe CDI is getting tonight off...
so JT doesn’t end up giving everyone Sunday off.
"Surgeons have determined that doing the wave will, yes, will cause tears to the suprapinatus muscle and the infraspinatus muscle from the throwing of an individual's arms rapidly into the air. In addition, any children doing the wave will be sold to the circus. Do NOT do the wave in the ballpark. Doing the wave is safe at pro football games and Miley Cyrus concerts.
-scoreboard announcement at Ranger Ballpark in Arlington via Baseball Nation.
Oh, we won't win...
But there has been a lot (and probably justified) complaints here about white flag lineups on Sundays. The alternative to that is to spread out the days off…this MIGHT (I have no inside info) be a way to try to avoid that.
"Surgeons have determined that doing the wave will, yes, will cause tears to the suprapinatus muscle and the infraspinatus muscle from the throwing of an individual's arms rapidly into the air. In addition, any children doing the wave will be sold to the circus. Do NOT do the wave in the ballpark. Doing the wave is safe at pro football games and Miley Cyrus concerts.
-scoreboard announcement at Ranger Ballpark in Arlington via Baseball Nation.
Day games on Saturday and Sunday
Wouldn’t be surprised to see Alfonzo start again Sunday. I think it’s pretty obvious that Tracy is crushing on him and the grand slam he hit on Ubaldo Fiasco Night has bought him a lifetime of goodwill.
by coffeeis4closersonly on Aug 19, 2011 5:14 PM MDT up reply actions
Wait, Saturday is a day game?
Is it a Fox game? Either way, I’ll probably be confined to audio. Boo.
It was going to be a Fox game
for some odd reason, they decided to drop it from their schedule. So no TV at all. I’ll be driving, at least at the start, so I’ll have something to listen to…
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Junction Rox on Aug 19, 2011 8:27 PM MDT up reply actions
Alanna tweets
RHP Alex White will throw a bullpen in the next couple of days. Jim Tracy not opposed to a 6 man rotation.
"I think I speak for everyone in here when I say: It''s playoffs or bust"- Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
I assume the bullpen would be his routine between-start work, no?
How the world will end in 2012: George of the Roses builds a Machine that Pommels everyone with La Violencia during Whiteouts.
yep probably
why don’t we just put Rogers in the pen though? I don’t get this.
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by black_knight101 on Aug 19, 2011 4:24 PM MDT up reply actions
Ok, Bots.
I have two more free tickets. My mini-plan seat neighbor gave me his two tickets for Sunday’s game. They are right next to my tickets. We couldn’t find anyone who wanted to go.
I’ll be attending with my wife and two kids (2yo an 1yo). So, you’ll have to deal with sitting next to them. Besides that, the tickets are free for anyone who wants them. Sec. 144, Row 14.
Let me know if you’re interested. I’ll give you my email.
So envious right now!
"I think I speak for everyone in here when I say: It''s playoffs or bust"- Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
Well there is the TARDIS
"I think I speak for everyone in here when I say: It''s playoffs or bust"- Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
Ha! I would transport back to 80s U2
and PurpleRain days
"I think I speak for everyone in here when I say: It''s playoffs or bust"- Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
Well I mean just for the shows...not necessarily the decades
"I think I speak for everyone in here when I say: It''s playoffs or bust"- Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
Well. I should have posted earlier,
but I was waiting for the last no to come in from friends. Things are kind of dead now, and most of the GT folks don’t live in Denver. If you start driving now…
by DumbAndNerdy on Aug 19, 2011 6:16 PM MDT up reply actions
I may be able to take them
Have to check with a friend first
How the world will end in 2012: George of the Roses builds a Machine that Pommels everyone with La Violencia during Whiteouts.
You're 8 rows behind me
"Surgeons have determined that doing the wave will, yes, will cause tears to the suprapinatus muscle and the infraspinatus muscle from the throwing of an individual's arms rapidly into the air. In addition, any children doing the wave will be sold to the circus. Do NOT do the wave in the ballpark. Doing the wave is safe at pro football games and Miley Cyrus concerts.
-scoreboard announcement at Ranger Ballpark in Arlington via Baseball Nation.
What seats are you in?
We’ll be in Seats 1 and 2.
by DumbAndNerdy on Aug 19, 2011 8:02 PM MDT up reply actions
3-10, Row 6
Rowbots will own section 144
"Surgeons have determined that doing the wave will, yes, will cause tears to the suprapinatus muscle and the infraspinatus muscle from the throwing of an individual's arms rapidly into the air. In addition, any children doing the wave will be sold to the circus. Do NOT do the wave in the ballpark. Doing the wave is safe at pro football games and Miley Cyrus concerts.
-scoreboard announcement at Ranger Ballpark in Arlington via Baseball Nation.
No need to email then.
Just say hi, or I will. It’ll be me, my wife, a one yo girl and two yo boy. You can ask for Charlie. See you there!
by DumbAndNerdy on Aug 19, 2011 8:50 PM MDT up reply actions
any sign of a GT?
"I think I speak for everyone in here when I say: It''s playoffs or bust"- Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
They just showed Alex White at Coors in a Rockies uniform
I guess they were supposed to be checking his finger in Denver today, but it’s exciting to see him in a Rockies uni….
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Junction Rox on Aug 19, 2011 6:32 PM MDT up reply actions
Okay GT up now
"I think I speak for everyone in here when I say: It''s playoffs or bust"- Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
Braves leading Dbacks 3-0 in the 3rd
"I think I speak for everyone in here when I say: It''s playoffs or bust"- Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
If the Rockies
can get to the AZ series within 8 games I’d be pumped.
by coffeeis4closersonly on Aug 19, 2011 6:31 PM MDT up reply actions
That was poorly worded
but you know what I mean.
by coffeeis4closersonly on Aug 19, 2011 6:32 PM MDT up reply actions
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