Rockies Claim Wandy Rodriguez From Houston Astros
by Andrew Martin on Aug 23, 2011 2:00 PM MDT
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***UPDATE***
Jon Heyman of Sports Illustrated is reporting that the Rockies have indeed made an offer for Wandy Rodriguez. The hitch is that Colorado would like Houston to pick up some of the salary. Given the nature of MLB trades, the better the prospect given up, the more salary the other team should be eating. We'll see which negotiator ends up coming out on top, or whether or not a deal actually gets done.
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Ken Rosenthal of MSN is reporting that the Colorado Rockies have been awarded a claim on Houston Astros starter Wandy Rodriguez.
Rodriguez, 32, is having a very solid season for Houston, going 9-9 in 23 starts for Houston, compiling a 3.31 ERA with 125 strikeouts to 49 walks (2.55 K/BB).
The upside for Colorado is that they plug in a solid pitcher for the next several years, which will definitely be appreciated when you consider injuries to Jorge De La Rosa, Juan Nicasio, and steps backward with Aaron Cook and Jason Hammel.
There's no word yet on whether or not there will be a trade between the teams or if the Astros will simply let the Rockies take Wandy and his remaining $23M over the next 2 years ($13M club option for 2014, $2.5M buyout). Perhaps moving a prospect such as Christian Friedrich could knock a few million off of the remaining years of the contract.
This move is somewhat surprising, giving the seemingly obvious "end to the season" for Colorado after the Ubaldo Jimenez trade. Kevin Millwood was brought in to relieve some of the inning load on Jhoulys Chacin, Jason Hammel, and Aaron Cook while not exposing the weak "close" depth in Greg Reynolds and Clayton Mortensen. But with the sudden cracks in the armor of both Arizona and San Francisco, the Rockies may have found a way to sneak in and compete again in this division - despite sitting at a miserable 61-68.
Even if this season ends up as poor as expected, Wandy plugging in to the top of the 2012 rotation will also provide relief for guys like Alex White and Jhoulys Chacin, and hopefully create some buffer for Drew Pomeranz and Jorge De La Rosa as they make their way to the majors. In Pomeranz' case, the Rockies want to make sure that he's truly ready for the show and not rush him to the majors out of necessity. De La Rosa, having undergone Tommy John Surgery, is pretty much just out until May-June, as it's typically a 12-14 month turnaround on that surgery.
More details as they come.
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Hard to know what to think here
until we see if a trade was made or not. If no trade, can Houston pull him back, or can we decline to take him anymore? I always forget these rules.
if no trade can be worked out
they can either pull him back, or they can just waive him to us. I’m pretty sure we can’t decline to take him anymore.
If we just take him off waivers with no trade, the ‘14 option remains a club option. I don’t think this would be a bad option for us at all.
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by black_knight101 on Aug 23, 2011 2:07 PM MDT up reply actions
So either the Rockies are trying for this season...
…or what?
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 23, 2011 2:08 PM MDT up reply actions
hit enter too fast
It’s a mix of “hey, this division is falling apart…. can we sneak in at the last moment?” and “oh damn, Juan Nicasio may never pitch again, Pomeranz won’t be ready come opening day, and De La Rosa is looking like a May/June addition.”
This helps solidify the front end of the rotation, buffers White/Pom/Chacin a bit.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 23, 2011 2:10 PM MDT up reply actions
Rockies said earlier this season they were interested in SP under contract beyond this year
but I’m sure DOD is secretly thinking that we have a shot
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by black_knight101 on Aug 23, 2011 2:08 PM MDT up reply actions
This is more about the next two seasons than this season.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 23, 2011 2:13 PM MDT up reply actions
It's DLR/Nicasio injury insurance
At least that’s how I see it
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Surprised
But I think I like it pending what goes the other way I guess
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by nodakroxfan on Aug 23, 2011 2:13 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
In town
With Astros in town, it gives it some legs. If Houston had no motivation to move him, they wouldn’t have exposed him; his contract isn’t bad enough to want to dump him, but if you could free up Ham to finish out the year for them and send Friedrich their way to get him, it would be a good move.
I like it but...
I’m not sure Wandy is quite as good as some of his numbers appear, but he is pretty solid. I love him as a #3 or #4 which means Chacin plus one of the kids will have to be pretty special in the early part of next year. Plus it doesn’t hurt in trying to keep the race interesting this year even if it ends up only as a spoiler.
If our offense gets it together a rotation full of 2's and 3's would walk us into the playoffs
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I think that's basically the direction of team in the future
stockpile 2’s and 3’s, build a good offense.
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by black_knight101 on Aug 23, 2011 2:30 PM MDT up reply actions
He has more wins than any pitcher on our team except Chacin. And his ERA is decent enough.
I agree that he’s not our ace or #2, but he’s a nice lefty compliment, which we haven’t had in a while, and it can only help him to have an offense behind him.
good FIP, good GB%, slightly troublesome HR rate
he’s still a good pitcher, but the contract is the real kicker.
He’s durable though, and that’s something that is desperately needed around here.
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well it's not so much the contract as the age
we’re pretty much guaranteed to be paying for decline years; if he were 28 with this contract it would be a huge steal
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we're essentially replacing Cook's contract with what we had hoped Cook would be.
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Cliff Lee and Roy Halladay are both older than this guy
Chris Carpenter is 4 years older, nothing says a 32 year old pitcher who has been durable will suddenly decline
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roy halladay is a first ballot hall of famer
cliff lee is obviously just a late bloomer, and carpenter was one of the better pitchers of the decades.
but if by nothing you mean every indication of modern science and pitcher performance for decades of history, then sure, nothing.
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better pitchers of the decade*
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Chris Carpenter is as much of a late bloomer as Lee and had TJ at Wandy's age
and again there are plenty of effective 34 year old pitchers in baseball two out of ATL’s starters are 35+ the Yankees are running a 35 and a 38 YO every week.
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none of which contradicts the mountains of evidence demonstrating the natural decline of the human body which begins in the years following 30, particularly for athletes, and particularly for pitchers
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don't pitchers have a more graceful aging curve than hitters?
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other way around
http://www.insidethebook.com/ee/index.php/site/comments/when_do_pitchers_peak/
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/how-do-baseball-players-age-part-1/
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eh, that inside the book thing is kind of a mixed bag
the peak for pitchers is really discussed more in terms of innings and not quality.
Wandy is definitely older which is risky. I guess the good news is, we could always just trade him at the deadline for something next season should we acquire him….
Maybe we can deal him to the Indians in the offseason for Kipnis…
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tango also discusses total WAR and WAR/game for each age
by which criteria pitchers peak at 27 and 29
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Some combination of
Delarosa, Chacin, Wandy, Nicasio, White, Pomeranz, Bettis, Anderson, Matzek, Tago will make us competitive for years to come.
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poor Friedrich
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Tough to say until he actually starts getting back to baseball action.
His recovery so far has been as good as we could have hoped for, though.
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damn so much fun today
and Alex White pitching, and I have to go to “fancy dinner date” with the gf! Pffft!
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Can you rearrange your fancy dinner date.
to Coors Field?
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sadly no :(
we’ve had the reservation for a couple weeks, and she’s wanted to go for over a month. She’s also a vegetarian, which doesn’t leave much for ball park cuisine (peanuts for dinner?). We’re going to Linger, btw… the fancy new hip place to go in Denver, in the Highlands. We’re sooo classy!
Perhaps I will just DVR the game, and try like heck to not turn on the radio or read this blog until later.
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do they play the Cranberries?
I bet they at least serve them
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 23, 2011 4:11 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I understand, already had tickets to the Death Cab for Cutie concert at Red Rocks
Upset that I don’t get to see White’s start. But DCFC will be awesome.
we're totally going for it
this is hilarious
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We would have totally seen Pomeranz on Sept 1 if he didn't have a crappy appendix :-(
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is he already on the 40 man?
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No, but that can be easily fixed
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He'll be up on the 4th.
With a Doctor’s Note.
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Wandy?
we aren’t talking about Betancourt’s thing again are we?
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by Jeffrey Morton on Aug 23, 2011 2:42 PM MDT reply actions 3 recs
kouz's contract is 1 year 4.75 mil
and he will have 5 years of service after this season so we are adding him for next year as well
Stewie insurance
and Sept bench help
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also he knows ellis
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more of an audition
can he hit in a hitter friendly park? He will get a ton of time down the stretch.
Poor Chris Nelson.
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He has no business
as a 3b prospect. He needs to be working at 2b.
no doubt
he is no way a 3b, he should be playing everyday at 2b.
I argue that he shouldn't be playing.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 23, 2011 5:26 PM MDT up reply actions
At all?
Hey, I’m definitely no fanboy but I prefer him giving the upside a run than just treading water with Ellis/Herrerra. I’m of the view that Nelson might be best as the Herrerra-role next year, but given how hard it appears to be to fill the 2b spot I think he’s a fair play here this year anyway.
i don't think Nelson fits as a utility
Because his glove isn’t good enough.
He needs to be starting at 2B IMO.
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 23, 2011 5:31 PM MDT up reply actions
My assumption
is that we have adequate fielders as starters. We don’t need some Herrera/Q type all-D/no-O type backup if we have guys like Tulo and Ellis playing the bags.
as long as he's a lateral move
Sure, start him, can’t hurt anything.
I just don’t see him making it.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 23, 2011 5:31 PM MDT up reply actions
I think I agree with you
and I think the org probably agrees with you. My only point is that, right now, we’ve got nothing to lose. And when you got nothin’ to lose than baby you’ve got it all.
Sure, play him now
as an alternative to the other guys on the roster. That makes sense.
It is also more of an indictment of the alternatives than it is an endorsement of Nelson’s apparent ability as an MLB starter…
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by Junction Rox on Aug 23, 2011 6:05 PM MDT up reply actions
if the dude knew how to draw a walk
I’d be a pretty big fan of his and this acquisition.
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any analysis on this?
because it does seem to answer the question of “how can we get worse at 3b” based on his stats. Wandy I can get down with as long as we don’t give up much…but this seems like a head-scratcher.
he tore up the minors
hit a grand slam in his first at bat, then had to play in PetCo and Oakland and his numbers were meh. He plays awesome defense and if he can somehow boost his walk rate to 8%, he could be sneaky valuable…
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Well
why not, I suppose, but “meh” is probably vastly overrating his numbers…
He's played in Oakland
so add like 50 points to his slashline, like what happened with Ellis haha
those were decent numbers in PetCo
he’s been crappy with the A’s fo sho
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he is kind of Arenado's floor with great D
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probably not a bad comp
though his numbers in the minors looked like he’d be much better
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I love how there's a front page article on Kouz and we're talking about it in the Wandy article
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 23, 2011 5:27 PM MDT up reply actions
I wonder if the Kouz acquisition
signals Stewie getting sent to Houston. I hope not though, I wouldn’t wish that on anyone man…
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Well, he'd have more access to hogs
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He'd have to be part of a package
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What if we offered Stewart and Friedrich and also paid for the entirety of Wandy's contract?
Stewart is done as a Rockie, and with Friedrich’s recent struggles combined with the pitching depth in the system, I doubt that he’ll have a spot on the ML team either. And as Olney pointed out, Wandy just replaces Aaron Cook in payroll for the next couple years.
If we offered anything in addition to paying for all of Wandy’s contract, it would be called ‘overpaying like a mother-blank’.
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I'd give them Stewart and pay the contract.
Classic “change of scenery” candidate. He’ll never find it here, just let the man and the team get on with it.
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by jasontheuncatchable on Aug 23, 2011 3:17 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, if we offered Steward and Freidrich I'd want Houston to pitch in a couple on the contract.
But this is Ed Wade we’re talking about. Let’s give them Wigginton and Willy Taveras in exchange for them paying 75%!
Sure, but then I doubt the deal will get done...
Every indication is that Houston doesn’t really want to move him. Although the same was said about the Ubaldo trade, so who knows.
Oh great
So now we’re going to pay him and Wiggly a combined $9 million next season to man 3B?
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
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not if
Wiggy is likely exposed on waivers, not impossible something could happen there leaving a need.
Wiggy for Wandy
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by Lost Winter on Aug 23, 2011 3:28 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Picking up Rodriquez is pretty cool...
…even if it costs a prospect. The K.K. trade is totally “yawns” though. Cleveland-Colorado-Oakland…strange love triangle Dan O’Dowd has made. Rest of the league probably avoids trades with the Rockies for a reason, and I’m not sure if that’s a good or bad thing. The obvious reason would seem to be the consistent over-valuing of Colorado prospects.
In any event, things have gotten pretty interesting in the NL West recently and hopefully these players can have an impact like Giambi and Contreras did down the stretch in ’09.
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by jasontheuncatchable on Aug 23, 2011 3:11 PM MDT reply actions
Am I the only one that saw that Kouzmanoff will report to AAA on the Rockies official Twitter feed, and therefore didn’t make the immediate leap to ‘OH NOES 600 ABZ FOR KOOZY’?
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Keving Kouzmanoff is gonna rake in Coors, man.
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yeah Kouzmanoff doesn't excite me
I rather have Wiggy since Kouz can’t hit and is an avg fielder.
I think Wandy is a great addtion
With the ?‘s on Nacasio and DLR, and Cook being likely gone. It just makes sense to add a solid arm to the rotation. To top it off this guy isn’t your typical scrape heap, he is actually good
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by Colsportsfan on Aug 23, 2011 3:24 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
i actually think we will have to give something up in order to get wandy
the astros arent as strapped for cash as I thought they were. right now they have 47.5 mil committed for 2012 with only a couple arb cases. if i were the stros, i wouldnt just give wandy away for free when you can probably get something for him in the winter
Friedrich + another mid level prospect
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im weary of that because that 2014 option
i wonder if the rockies did this to block him from going to the Dbacks
Dbacks weren't going to take that salary
they have decent pitching depth going forward, but budget concerns as well.
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I think this may be a factor
to prevent the Dbacks or Giants from acquiring him. We’ll see – there’s certainly no downside to claiming the dude…
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not so sure i'd give up friedrich that easy
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can you elaborate on this?
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To us, Friedrich profiles as a #3 starter at most
but with the influx of new arms, there isn’t a likely rotation spot for him provided he’s MLB ready.
Pomeranz, White, Bettis, Nicasio, and Anderson are all close to surpassing Friedrich on the depth chart (and all likely will next season).
Even then, he can still project as a solid mid rotation starter with another organization. The Astros’ lack quality starting pitching prospects, and he would be an instant upgrade to them. Therefore, he’s worth more to someone else than he is to us. After the Ubaldo trade/Anderson draft, Friedrich became a valuable trade chip.
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thaaaaaanks
Is Friedrich’s ceiling that low? How fast things change…
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2010 really did a number on him
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I think his injury may have lowered his ceiling.
Unless I’m mistaken, he’s lost a few MPH on his fastball since recovering from it.
ceiling looks to be around #3 right now, when there was hope in 2009 he could be a TOR
fringe avg fastball, still good curve.
He has good stretches, and I believe he will be a decent mid rotation starter. Just not here.
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your brutal honesty hurts my heart Muzia
but I accept your reasoning and conclusions.
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It's not that he's been bad this year. He's actually recovered from 2010 with a stable, consistent season.
But he’s been passed up by several others. Pomeranz, Anderson, and maybe Edwar Cabrera have good cases as higher prospects on the LHP totem pole.
I still like Friedrich, but if he’s the solution for a quality pitcher like Wandy, then I’m sold on that deal.
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We have a glut of young pitchers with more promise than him in the system
and Houston needs prospects. That’s pretty much it I think
to be sure
i’m not suggesting we keep him to start for us next season, i’d just prefer to try and snag a decent hitter with say him and smith etc in the offseason
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I would consider it a win
if we could land Wandy for Friedrich and someone like Ben Paulsen or Zuanich (not sure how highly regarded he is, seems like his stock might have risen enough to be considered a mid type prospect). Names being thrown out by Houston’s fans are Wheeler, Bettis and Matthes (along with Friedrich). With the breakout seasons those three are having, I can’t imagine O’Dowd being on the phone for long with Ed Wade if they are being discussed.
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some rotation stability going into next season
is a must if we plan on contending. for the right price of course.
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Why couodn't we flip the 2 minor leaguers we got for Ubaldo
McBride and the other guy. Not Pomeranz or White
Prediction----> Cargo and Tulo will both have over 30 homers this year
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Prediction----> Cargo and Tulo will both have over 30 homers this year
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Although some Astros fans
seem to think Wandy is worth both White and Pomeranz.
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by Cargo's Ball Sack5 on Aug 23, 2011 4:15 PM MDT up reply actions
I dont think so. He's not worth that
Prediction----> Cargo and Tulo will both have over 30 homers this year
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He's broken, isn't he?
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I think so
He’s only had 7 AB’s for Tulsa. I know there was that eye freak accident during BP right before the deal and I think some other issue arose soon after he arrived in Tulsa.
We just acquired them.
Team must’ve liked them.
I like Muzia’s “Friedrich + mid-tier prospect”
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 23, 2011 5:08 PM MDT up reply actions
i'd much rather ditch gardner for wandy than friedrich
friedrich at least could be a #3, gardner could maybe be a replacement level swingman
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I'm saying it's just not a realistic option.
Not that they’re “too good”
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 23, 2011 5:12 PM MDT up reply actions
Wandy
Depends what you can get him for – really should be a #4 but profiles higher in our rotation. If it means the last of Cookie then by all means go for it. Houston is a hitters haven so pitching here won’t scare him.
Still seems unlikely that it will go through but you just never know. I really don’t like soft tossng lefties but at the very least he will eat up innings and save the pen.
3.65 xFIP with supporting ERA and SIERA is not a #4 in anyone's rotation
except philadelphia
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Lets throw out some advanced stats to make an inaccurate point (again)
He would be a #4 in San Fran and Milwaukee as well just off the top of my head. He is a durable career .500 pitcher who eats innings nothing more. You are not going to win too many 7 game post season series when he is going to pitch twice vs a Hamels or a Marcum. Is he an upgrade on Cook – absolutely. Is he a #2 – no way – thats almost as good as when you tried to say with a straight face that the Rox would be on Hamels in the off season.
He's better than a #4 unless you are running a rotation of all aces.
You’re underselling the guy.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 23, 2011 5:30 PM MDT up reply actions
I prefer to think of it
as looking at it realistically – much as I have done all season (to be proven correct again and again). Fact is he is a .500 starter and is likely not to ever be any better. Before you say the Astros suck – look at their records since Wandy got there and the truth is until this year they have been about a .500 team. So Wandy has been no better no worse thn the rest of their guys.
cliff lee was an .880 starter in 2008 for a .500 cleveland team
pitcher W-L != a good measure of true talent
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Regardless of W-L
I feel like we could both make decent cases for why Wandy sits in whichever slot in the rotation. The point is, he’s an experienced MLB pitcher, and having him taking one of the spots of the A. prospect who isn’t ready or B. purely depth starter who should barely see the light of MLB day will both help bridge the front end and the back end.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 23, 2011 11:08 PM MDT up reply actions
except it's not incorrect
2011 FIP/xFIP/SIERA, NL mystery starters
A: 3.00/2.40/2.36
B: 3.54/3.43/3.43
C: 3.60/3.75/3.66
D: 3.71/3.75/3.86
E: 2.85/3.08/3.08
F: 2.75/3.14/3.15
G: 2.76/3.59/3.62
H: 3.63/3.89/3.92
I: 3.91/3.65/3.62
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he's going to say something derogatory about advanced metrics now.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 23, 2011 5:32 PM MDT up reply actions
oh without a doubt
“he smells like a #4 to me therefore is”
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Let's watch the Rockies destroy him on Wednesday
Then we’ll see how much we want him.
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 23, 2011 5:35 PM MDT up reply actions
well I don't mean it quite like that, sorry
I just meant that there’s a gap in the conversation here, and I doubt points will be made without both sides stepping towards each other a bit.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 23, 2011 5:36 PM MDT up reply actions
I am sorry
but spewing out advanced stats means little to me. Especially when the poster has been known to spew out such garbage as the Rox will take the money saved on Ubaldo to go after Cole Hamels (when he is not even a free agent). Wins and losses are important regardless what the advanced stats say and on this front Wandy is very very average. It appears to me that sometimes these stats are thrown out to mask any real knowledge about the game.
Wins/losses is not a real measure of a pitcher's talent.
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 23, 2011 5:41 PM MDT up reply actions
Somebody has to win the games
I am so sorry of this argument. The object of the game is to WIN. The pitcher has more control of this than any other player on the field. He sets the tone and his body language often impacts the other players. Yes occasionally somebody will lose 2-1 but this is typically evened out over time when the pitcher wins 8-7.
Trust me, we are as well.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 24, 2011 9:27 AM MDT up reply actions
Tone? Body language?
Not really going to argue with you, because I sense that nothing is going to change your mind.
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 23, 2011 5:45 PM MDT up reply actions
so because advanced stats mean little to you, you automatically are the winning side in a discussion?
ad hominem attacks as well?
nice.
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Show me some real knowledge
rather than spewing out numbers created on a computer. The game is played on the field and we do not need another .500 pitcher. He is fine as a bottom of the rotation guy. Every point you try to make relies on these advanced stats – rather than what actually happens on the field.
The best GM’s are the ones who do not rely on that garbage Amaro etc. Beane was successful because he had three guys named Hudson, Mulder, and Zito in their prime.
sorry, not going to answer your troll posts any more tonight
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Yup
you are too busy waiting for our impending signing of Cole Hamels to answer my post. You have zero credibility – sorry. Go out and watch some games and then maybe you will make some sense going forward.
I'll bite
It’s foolish, but if you want to play with wins and losses, consider this: Wandy Rodriguez is 9-9 for a team that is 42-86 overall. In other words, he’s “responsible” for 21% of his team’s wins (and only 10% of their losses).
By comparison:
Verlander: 28%
Halladay: 19%
Felix Hernandez: 20%
Weaver: 20%
Sabathia: 22%
Lincecum: 16%
Kershaw: 26%
Jurrjens: 17%
Kennedy: 22%
CJ Wilson: 18%
Price: 16%
Lester: 17%
Gallardo: 18%
All these pitchers “aces”, like Wandy, and by consensus top pitchers. Wandy’s percentage of team wins stacks up right there with them. I’m not saying that he’s as good as they, but two can play at this game if you want to evaluate a pitcher by his wins.
is ERA a stat that means little to you?
since the start of 2008, Wandy ranks 17th in the majors in lowest ERA
ready for the answer key?
A: Zach Greinke
B: Yovani Gallardo
C: Shaun Marcum
D: Chris Narveson
E: Tim Lincecum
F: Matt Cain
G: Madison Bumgarner
H: Ryan Vogelsong
I: Wandy Rodriguez
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I see him more as a low #2/high #3
Sure he may be “soft-tossing”, but at least he can locate his fastball and curve, which for some reason is more than we can say for most starters here in Colorado….
Timeframe??
So what would be the timeframe for a deal to get done? Or is there a deadline?
by MileHighHawkeye on Aug 23, 2011 4:23 PM MDT reply actions
48 hours
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
48 business day hours
so I’m not sure if that’s 2 days or like 6 working days…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
48 hours from when they claimed him
Of course the news broke later
Noon ET Thursday
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 23, 2011 5:31 PM MDT up reply actions
Wandy has 32.1 IP at Coors with a 3.62 ERA and only 1 HR allowed.
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hes scheduled to be on the hill tomorrow night too
will make for some interesting drama should the deal not have gone through yet
QUICK, TEACH WANDY A CUTTER
/cole hamels
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YEAH!
Chacin
Pomeranz
White
Nicasio
Wandy
Heck of a rotation next year with De La Rosa even coming in to relieve any bad apple of the bunch.
I'd say DLR is there before Nicasio is.
Try
Chacin
Pom
White
Wandy
Hammel
until Nicasio/JDLR is ready.
Let’s convert Rogers into a pen arm. I still like the way the bullpen lines up for next season.
Rogers
Belisle
Reynolds
Lindstrom
Brothers
RafBet
Street
(not sure if I’m forgetting a bullpen arm or not)
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 23, 2011 5:33 PM MDT up reply actions
Saw Beimel got DFA'd
Prediction----> Cargo and Tulo will both have over 30 homers this year
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I like Reynolds/Brothers better.
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 23, 2011 5:34 PM MDT up reply actions
to be sure
but beimel has really cool tattoos and grabs his crotch as he walks away from the field… such swagger
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Too many Rockies grab their crotches anyway
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 23, 2011 5:36 PM MDT up reply actions
Insert Raffy joke here?
Prediction----> Cargo and Tulo will both have over 30 homers this year
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and a kick ass entrance song
Prediction----> Cargo and Tulo will both have over 30 homers this year
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Yeah
I guess everyone is entitled to their view, but I just can’t credit any conversation involving Nicasio right now. I hope sincerely that we see him again. But its not worth projecting at this point, he’s probably lower on the “likelihood of contributing” continuum than Matzek at this point.
I like this Wandy addition in any event, so long as its a Friedrich-or-lower cost. I can’t say I know him well or that I love what I know, but having a credible, proven MLB starter in next year’s rotation seems like an awfully good thing to me regardless.
I see DLR in there somewhere in that rotation for good
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Obviously this depends on how much $$$ Houston eats
but I think we should try to involve Hector Gomez in this trade. He’s a good fit for Houston, they’re a rebuilding team that can sit and wait for his bat to develop. He has the tools to succeed as an everyday SS, definitely defensively, and we already have one of those anyway…
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by black_knight101 on Aug 23, 2011 5:35 PM MDT reply actions
Definitely defensively?
Dude makes errors. A lot of errors.
I really really want him to be a part of that trade. He’s going nowhere in this organization
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 23, 2011 5:37 PM MDT up reply actions
well I specified tools for a reason
because he has the tools to be an everyday SS. Rocket arm.
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by black_knight101 on Aug 23, 2011 5:38 PM MDT up reply actions
definitely a move worth exploring
This is definitely a move worth exploring.
You know the Rockies don’t want the burden of too much cash outlay for Rodriguez so they would have to hope to entice Houston to pay a nice chunk of contract by sending some attractive prospects to the Astros.
Would Dan Houston and Christian Friedrich be of interest? Or maybe a moderate-level hitting prospect?
I do not consider trading anything of higher value like Edwar Cabrera or a producing reliever like Coty Woods.
If the price is right, Rodriguez is a nice no. 3 starter to add to Chacin and White this year and hopefully next year, to De La Rosa (who will need the year to become what he was) and Nicasio (if he ever pitches effectively again) and at some point, Pomeranz.
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by Jeff Aberle on Aug 23, 2011 7:07 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
There is a game thread up.
Prediction----> Cargo and Tulo will both have over 30 homers this year
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rosenthal says that the rockies could include hammel plus a prospect
if we could dump hammel and get away with friedrich plus a lower ranked prospect in this i would go from tepid about the trade to favoring
Would we trade Hammel?
Prediction----> Cargo and Tulo will both have over 30 homers this year
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Totally
Hammel may likely be moved over the offseason anyhow.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 23, 2011 11:17 PM MDT up reply actions
I really hope we get him
For one, I love the name “Wandy.” It’s gives everyone who says his name an Elmer Fudd speech impediment, if only for one word. But this guy is a solid pitcher. I had him last year on my fantasy baseball team and he killed it the last half of the season, consistently putting up big-time outings. People need to realize, this guy is as good as ANY pitcher we have right now, and when you add him to next season, it makes our rotation all the better.
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