Wednesday Rockpile: What do the Rodriguez Waiver Claim, Kouzmanoff Trade Mean for 2012?
by Jeff Aberle on Aug 24, 2011 6:30 AM MDT
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PrintSo Alex White didn't have the dream Rockies debut that we were hoping for, but Colorado still managed to get a 4th straight victory thanks in large part to that feared slugger Jonathan Herrera. This marks the Rockies' longest winning streak since mid-June. Better yet, unlike many days of late, when there was little to speak of beyond what was going on in the farm system, yesterday featured a couple of moves designed to help the Rockies in the near term and beyond.
The bigger news was that the Rockies' waiver claim on Houston Astros lefty Wandy Rodriguez was awarded by MLB. There are three ways this could turn out: Colorado could trade Houston a prospect or two in return for some salary relief (Rodriguez is owed $36 million through 2014), Houston could choose to let the Rockies have him and make them pay his salary, or the Astros could take their ball and go home. In any case, the deadline for this particular negotiation is 11 AM MT on Thursday.
According to Ken Rosenthal of Fox Sports, who broke the story, the last scenario is the most likely. I'd put the odds at 25-5-70. Right now it looks like there isn't much trade momentum. Houston has established the position that they won't trade Rodriguez for salary relief alone and certainly doesn't have to trade him by any means. Even so, the thought of acquiring Rodriguez is certainly an intriguing one.
As for a potential Rodriguez acquisition by the Rockies, it will certainly help their short-term competitiveness -- in this case, mostly meaning 2012. Free agent pitchers aren't exactly clamoring to come to Coors Field, so getting a pitcher of Wandy's caliber (slightly above average to good the last few years) would be a sound baseball decision, especially with the uncertainty surrounding the 2012 rotation.
Financially, it might not be the best use of the Monforts' resources. Rodriguez would be in his age 33-35 seasons and Colorado would need him to average 2.5 WAR a season to achieve market value payroll efficiency -- an iffy proposition given his advancing age -- and it will hurt the payroll flexibility of the Rockies for the next 3 years. Then again, Colorado probably would need to pay a premium to lure in an above average free agent starter, so the math becomes a little more palatable. The math would be even better if the Astros were to pay a little of that salary burden for Colorado.
Looking at the free agent class this offseason, it's tough to see a pitcher that would out-produce Rodriguez that Colorado could realistically sign. Of course, no signing is made in a vacuum -- if the Rockies used the money freed up by dropping Aaron Cook's salary on Rodriguez, that would likely mean no run at a player like Michael Cuddyer to bolster the offense. In an awkward twist of fate, Rodriguez will be facing Colorado today unless he is traded.
But I've written enough about an eventuality that probably won't even come into effect. Let's discuss a player that definitely is in the Rockies organization -- Colorado native 3B Kevin Kouzmanoff, who was acquired as part of a PTBNL trade yesterday with the Oakland A's. Given Kouzmanoff's MLB performance this season (.221/.262/.353 line with 4 HR in 149 PAs) and salary ($4.75 million and headed into arbitration for the third and final time this off-season), I highly doubt that the PTBNL is a PuRP-caliber prospect.
Besides his $4.75 million salary (which per arbitration rules can't be lower than $3.8 million next year), I really think that this is a decent signing. I mean, Kouzmanoff is not only a Colorado boy who can field the hot corner well, he's also a player that has played his entire MLB career in extreme pitchers' ballparks (in San Diego and Oakland) -- yes, this is shades of the Mark Ellis trade, and that's turned out okay.
Kouzmanoff has some pop too (he's averaged 21 homers, 56 XBHs, and 87 RBIs per 162 games). All in all, he seems like the kind of guy who could fill in well until Nolan Arenado claims his place in the hot corner -- except for that contract. Are the Rockies willing to pay almost $4 million minimum to get (what is likely) below average production at the hot corner -- again? Kouzmanoff could be another Ty Wigginton situation waiting to happen. On the plus side, his B-R page shows that two of his top 10 comparable players are John Wockenfuss and Clell Lavern (Butch) Hobson. Awesome.
If Colorado does decide to keep Kouzmanoff on for 2012, they've probably decided to forgo the acquisition of an Aramis Ramirez or David Wright (both of whom were unlikely in any case). He wouldn't be the worst guy Colorado could go with, but at that price I'm not sure that I want to take the chance. I am looking forward to seeing how he does in the next few weeks, however.
News/Links
Mike Newman (AKA Scouting the Sally) has a very complimentary scouting report on Nolan Arenado up at Roto Hardball, though I'm not sure praising his clutchiness is the route I would have taken.
Baseball Prospectus has a nifty salary compensation tool that I've spent a little too much time going through. In fact, breaking down the Rockies' salary in graphic form now and in the near future as BP is something that I'll likely expand upon in a Rockpile to be named later.
Finally, here are two great articles from SB Nation's MLB hub. First, Jon Bois shows us the hilarious translations that come from feeding baseball's rules into other languages. "See Johnny, the problem was that you just weren't in the zone of assault enough today". Second, Grant Brisbee explores whether it is okay for grown men to bring baseball gloves to ballgames as spectators.
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Neither Rodriguez nor Kouzmanoff excites me
I posted this in the GT last night & will repost here. Rodriguez’s home/road splits for career:
ERA 3.43 / 4.78
Avg. against .241/.277
WHIP 1.241 / 1.451
Other posters said his splits have been better the last few years. Maybe so. He was always a bit of a head case away from his home park where he felt comfortable. A bad ump call or a blown fielding play behind him & he’d lose it quickly. Maybe he’s matured & gotten over that.
OTOH, Wandy’s success in any given game hinges entirely on his curveball. His 89 – 91 mph fastball is nothing special, and it’s his curve that makes or breaks his starts. Gambling on how a curveball specialist will do at Coors is a real gamble … with big stakes if the Rockies take on most or all of his salary. His career numbers at Coors are decent, but SSS. I’d say no unless the Astros eat a lot of the salary & no top prospect are surrendered.
Kouzmanoff = Jose Lopez Experiment Part II, except he’s a CO native. We already have one Wiggy. Do we really need another?
2011 Rockies -- what the hell?
I agree that neither pickup excites me
but I’d be very disappointed if the pickup of Kouz prevents us from making a real play for a 3rd baseman. I agree with your Jose Lopez comparison although at the time I felt Lopez had a better shot to be solid.
I’m not completely against the Wandy pickup and if he becomes a Rockie, he’ll be a good addition to the staff for next year. If the Astros pull him back, I’ll be okay with that too.
I think Kouz could be a good move for the Rockies.
Especially if they find someone to take Wiggy. Kouz might have a similar bat to Wiggy, but his defense is much better and if he’s at the low arb number, I think he’d be a better option.
shame on you being a Rockies fan
and then just posting home/away splits like they’re the full picture. We’ve been burned by that too many times
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
by Resolution on Aug 24, 2011 9:04 AM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
Ryan Braun 2010
Home 320 PA .266/.328/.471
Road 364 PA .336/.398/.527
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
Milwaukee is a notorious pitchers park
….right? right?
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Ryan Braun 2011
Home 233 PA .355/.429/.645
Road 266 PA .305/.372/.536
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
Brad Hawpe 2006
Home 274 PA .282/.369/.454
Road 306 PA .303/.395/.571
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
Ryan Braun career (the proper measure)
Home/Road
Avg. .355/.305
OPS .948/.912
OBP .371/.368
Confirms hitter-friendly nature of Miller Park
2011 Rockies -- what the hell?
only because Miller Park
removed their humidor like 6 years ago!
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
opposing pitchers are distracted by that sausage race
advantage: BrewCrew
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Sausage Race
is also the title of my picture below…
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by hotdoglady on Aug 24, 2011 9:26 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
who's the tortoise then?
because he’s clearly the Hare, just not giving a crap
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
also, Rec for making me smile
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Maria, do you think it's a conspiracy
that they call it the Sausage Race when clearly, all of the sausage hail from different racial background?
I’m not sure what the endgame would be with this conspiracy, but the dots are connecting just a little too neatly.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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Sausage North Amercans.
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My tongue is nearly pushing through my cheek in case it wasn't clear
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Home: .359/.429/.658
Away: .240/.314/.436
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 24, 2011 9:17 AM MDT up reply actions
He is totally a Chase Field Creation
Career
Home .310/.392/.556 126OPS+
Road .248/.321/.423 76OPS+
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he'll win mvp without this fact ever being talked about
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 24, 2011 9:23 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
for a non-CO player, this would incite a discussion about all of the pitcher parks in the NL west plus the quality pitching of the other teams (Kershaw?!?! Lincecum?!?!), so therefore Upton is totally capable and deserving, he’s just been a bit unlucky.
For a CO player this would incite a discussion about all of the pitcher parks in the NL west plus the quality pitching of the other teams (Kershaw?!?! Lincecum?!?!), so therefore it’s abundantly clear the CO player can’t handle ‘real’ hitting environments.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
josh hamilton sure did
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
2012: get ready for White Pomz!
Yeah, but
I thought the Rockies were looking for players to try to decrease their historic home/road split problems. If Wandy on the road (other than in Houston) isn’t very good, the problems continue.
2011 Rockies -- what the hell?
well, this season
we’re better on the road and we’re only one game over .500 at home soooo we could use his talents regardless of their skew…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
rec!
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 24, 2011 9:39 AM MDT up reply actions
I thought lack of movement on fastballs at Coors was the problem
and not so much a problem for the curve-balls. I could be confused though.
Time for some of this Rockies: "One of the beautiful things about baseball is that every once in a while you come into a situation where you want to, and where you have to, reach down and prove something." Nolan Ryan
that's what that particular study showed.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 24, 2011 9:53 AM MDT up reply actions
Any other studies contradict these findings?
Time for some of this Rockies: "One of the beautiful things about baseball is that every once in a while you come into a situation where you want to, and where you have to, reach down and prove something." Nolan Ryan
I Imagine both could be true although
Locating your fastball is the key to MLB success and that is hard when it moves different on Sunday than it does on Thursday
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
just posting his career numbers ignores steady improvement for several years
home/road FIP , xFIP
2007 3.43,3.77/4.98,4.45
2008 3.16,3.33/4.28,4.22
2009 3.25,3.44/3.87,3.72
2010 3.29,3.38/3.72,3.71
2011 3.63,3.61/4.14,3,70
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
2012: get ready for White Pomz!
Salary dropoffs
Not only does Aaron Cook’s bad $10 million dropoff after this year but doesn’t that $3.5 million to Manny Corpas dropoff for good as well?
Taking all other onfield concerns away, financially it does become possible for the Rockies to do it I believe.
Not counting the arb level guys, the Rockies have $60.325 million on the payroll for next year
FFFFFFFFFFF.
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Aug 24, 2011 8:44 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Hammel +...
EY the Younger for Wandy and H-town eats a couple $mil per or Rodriguez’ deal? Obviously not Houston’s best-case haul but they at least get a body to replace Wandy and a replacement for Michael Bourn’s speed. Not enough? I’d even add a throw-in but I’m of a mind that i wouldn’t do a Friedrich/Rosario – type deal for Rodriguez. Insistence on a high-value prospect or more may very well have been what killed any deal between Houston and the Yankees, though. If Houston wants a lot for Wandy, I’d walk.
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
A lot is two words. Allot can be one word but it has another meaning.
The only time you really want to use "myself" is when you are the recipient of your own action. Usually you're better off using "me."
Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
It's anyway, not anyways.
But if you only remember one thing...
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Ugh let's not even throw out Rosario's name
in a potential Wandy trade.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Aug 24, 2011 8:40 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I'd give up Friedrich.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 24, 2011 8:41 AM MDT up reply actions
So what does everyone think about White now?
After all the talk the last few days, I find it a little surprising that no one is talking about him now. On the other hand, I felt that the hype was a little overblown going into last night’s game, as one start doesn’t really tell us all that much. My opinion: he was a mixed bag, pitching well at times and making some mistakes. The Root crew gave him a lot of credit for not melting down in the third, but considering what we gave up for him and what the expectations are, he should be expected to maintain composure there. At any rate, we know only slightly more now than we did before.
I thought he was ok
but the game was too weird to really judge him i think, between his debut with big expectations, the unlucky and bad defense in 3rd, and what I thought was a very inconstant strike zone from the ump I am holding off judgement so far.
Good point on the strike zone.
I didn’t watch on TV until about the 7th, but the radio guys were pretty strong in their criticism of the home plate ump. I don’t think I’ve heard them call out an ump like that before. I’m sure that would have an effect on any pitcher.
It was not Tim Timmons' best night.
Given White’s 23 and making his first Coors start, I saw a lot to like.
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
A lot is two words. Allot can be one word but it has another meaning.
The only time you really want to use "myself" is when you are the recipient of your own action. Usually you're better off using "me."
Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
It's anyway, not anyways.
But if you only remember one thing...
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
Timmons was absolutely awful
He was a classic “catcher’s mitt ump.”
That pitch was 2 inches above the knees, right over the heart of the plate. But it’s a ball, because the catcher lowered his mitt.
That pitch was 5 inches outside, and the batter couldn’t have reached with a rowboat oar. But it’s a strike, because it hit the mitt.
by Northsider1964 on Aug 24, 2011 9:50 AM MDT up reply actions
so that explains why I was confused last night at the game
quite a few pitches looked right down the pipe, but were called balls.
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some of those pitches simply dived into lefties' feet
it was crazy
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 24, 2011 9:53 AM MDT up reply actions
Hmmm....
Framing problems?
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
Framing shouldn't even be a required skill for catchers.
The fact that it sometimes has an effect shows the horrible state of umpiring. If they can’t learn to call a stable, if not uniform, strike zone then it’s time to get rid of umps altogether and use technology.
Several times there were two pitches located in the same area in the same at-bat.
One would be called a ball, the other a strike.
Get well soon Juan.
It seemed to me that Coors was an issue
His sinker didn’t sink as much as he expected, and he left them up a little bit more than he wanted. It wasn’t just the homers, but there were some pretty good line drives off it as well.
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His release
to me looks unusual and he certainly left a LOT of pitches up. Could have been his style, could just be rust. In any event, he’ll learn to keep those down.
Much like Nicasio, when the slider worked, it was a thing of beauty (I think 2ks on sliders) but when it didn’t…well. Carlos Lee happened.
Also hung a splitter to Paredes that was mashed.
And that ugly 4th (?) was a bunch of bloops and bleeders. He was pretty impressive IMO.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Aug 24, 2011 10:09 AM MDT up reply actions
The majority of hard hit balls were on the hanging breaking balls
Both HRs were on hanging sliders. Several hard-hit balls on splitters up.
White had talked about the biggest difference being the dry/slick grip on the balls . . . it’ll take him a bit of time to get used to it.
I’ll choose to be encouraged by the above (it was his first time pitching at altitude) and the GO/AO ratio.
by blooming rock on Aug 24, 2011 10:16 AM MDT up reply actions
Not looking too much into it
I was impressed with his start last night. Houston made really soft contact except for the two home runs, which were both mistake pitches. The defense didn’t help him much in that third inning. To a certain extent, he was better than expected.
I think he has a good chance to be good maybe not special
Better than Cook in his prime as a floor and maybe Branden Webb as a ceiling??
I think he’s a nice addition but he’s not going to throw a no-hitter. And also first game at Coors handling the altitude is tough.
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by El Paso Jeff on Aug 24, 2011 8:47 AM MDT up reply actions
his mistakes were punished, but overall I was very impressed in person
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This
plus that inning would have ruined some pitchers. Thought he did well, battling.
Time for some of this Rockies: "One of the beautiful things about baseball is that every once in a while you come into a situation where you want to, and where you have to, reach down and prove something." Nolan Ryan
Pretty much what I expected for his first game.
This year sucks.
by prettyinpurple on Aug 24, 2011 8:51 AM MDT up reply actions
His stuff and style reminds me of Brad Penny
(though he looks more like the illustrious lead singer of Mouse Rat.) I thought he looked pretty promising. Control will be his show: if he can really become a precise pitcher, with his stuff he could be a really high-end SP2. Obviously a high floor. I like him for sure.
I thought they were called “Nothing Rhymes with Blorange”?
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 24, 2011 10:13 AM MDT up reply actions
Now that I hear Scarecrow Boat I kind of hate it.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 24, 2011 10:25 AM MDT up reply actions
haha, i think it was cat who asked last night which actor does he look like
and i definitely thought andy
by purplesocks on Aug 24, 2011 10:43 AM MDT up reply actions
UMMMMMM if you've ever taken a foul ball off your hands
you’ll bring a glove to every game for the rest of your life.
I’ve been to dozens of MLB games, hundreds of lower professional games and I’ve never even sniffed a ball that was in play and came to me in the stands until July 21 2011. Arlington stadium. i had a row all to myself and family down the third base line about halfway between the LF and 3B. Lefty up at bat 2 hole hitter (travis synder of Tor) first inning, I had barely settled into my first beer of the game. I thought to myself that its alot harder to track the ball at the ballpark as I was out of practice attending games (only maybe one per year last 5 years) AND as this thought goes through my head a foul ball came my direction. I dropped my scorecard and then immediately slipped on it, shifted right a seat and attempted to basket catch a winding fly/liner. It bounced off my forearm to the seats behind. I was humiliated in front of my family and I could almost hear the announcers say “and thats why You bring a glove to the game”
Of course I had my Rockies cap on and I was razzed pretty bad by the rest of the stands but by then I didnt care, only reflecting that I at 36 years old, I had blew my first and possibly only chance to catch a MLB ball that was at one time in play
BRING YOUR GLOVE TO THE GAME ALWAYS, WHO CARES WHAT OTHERS THINK
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I went to an Isotopes game earlier this year.
“Splurged” and got front-row seats on the 1B line, probably 7 or 8 down from the dugout.
My glove was a mandatory tool for self- and family-defense. I wouldn’t have thought of sitting there without it.
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Ditto
Took a hard Keith Hernandez foul ball off the left hand years ago (lucky I didn’t break my hand) & vowed never again to sit in foul ball territory w/o a glove. If I’m up around the purple row or in the Rockpile, I wouldn’t worry about it, but closer in/lower down, you bet I’m bringing a glove.
2011 Rockies -- what the hell?
Unless Smith or Cargo is hitting good that night.
Prediction----> Cargo and Tulo will both have over 30 homers this year
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
family defense
is a good call. I don’t even own a glove anymore (maybe a softball glove somewhere) but when my girls are old enough for a game, and assuming Dodger Stadium is at some point in the future a place where I would consider bringing them, I’d say protection equals need for a glove for sure. Better to have and not need…
I agree with this.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 24, 2011 8:54 AM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, the ball is moving pretty fast to catch it bare handed.
I “caught” a homer by Khalil Greene a few years ago in the left field seats off of Cook. I actually had the ball in my hand, but it had too much spin and speed for me to hold onto it. It landed at my feet, though, so I still got the ball.
I had a foul ball go off my hand, broke my fingernails...
I had a glove…you know where it was? NOT ON MY FREAKING HAND!!!!
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It's hard to hold a beer in your glove hand
But it can be done, if you need to be “fielder ready”
2011 Rockies -- what the hell?
harder still to eat a hot dog with a glove on
Is it 2012 yet?
by DAWNMARIE01 on Aug 24, 2011 10:05 AM MDT up reply actions
Maybe its from growing up in NYC
where really good seats aren’t in the price range, but I’m not too on board with bringing a glove.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Yep.
I’m the dumbass that tried to barehand that screaming line-drive foul off Barmes’ bat last night in the 3rd. The ball blew my hand open to the tune of 6 stitches. I didn’t even come down with it either; it glanced off my hand and hit a lady in the face 2 rows up from me. OTOH, if I hadn’t tried to grab it it would have absolutely smoked the woman with a baby in her lap right behind me, so grand-scheme-wise it mostly worked out ok.
Never sitting low-deck without a glove again.
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Ouch.
Sorry about your hand :(
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Thanks
I’ve been in a good humour about it since it was my own idiot fault for trying to be a web-gem rockstar. Also, I can’t help but chuckle at the idea that Clint Barmes just 2011’d me.
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by J_Stone on Aug 24, 2011 9:55 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I saw that happen, sucks that it was you!
The same thing happened on Saturday night in the club section. A Helton foul ball went screaming to our section and the guy barehanded it, complete with a loud “POP” sound.
He was grinning, but streaming tears down his face. He may have broken his hand.
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In a vacuum, a potential Wandy acquisition isn't terribly exciting.
Here’s why I absolutely love the idea in context:
Reliable, quality innings — Currently, we’re looking at an extremely young rotation in 2012 and a veteran scrapheap starter (Millwood, Cook, etc) that could hopefully give us 150+ innings. Wandy has been a 180+ inning guy on average the past five years. That type of dependability is tough to find. He gives us a bedrock in the middle of the rotation.
He’s a good pitcher — Sub 3.60 ERA each of the past four seasons, and a quality FIP and xFIP to match those rates. With his production, the contract isn’t really a concern. He’s worth the money from a pure production standpoint.
Saves the bullpen — We cannot enter 2012 with the same back end unknowns we did in 2011. Rogers? Reynolds? Paulino? These guys’ poor production early (along with Ubaldo and Hammel’s struggles) put us deep in a hole in May and forced O’Dowd to rest and rebuild the bullpen on the fly. 180+ quality innings would do wonders for the arms at the back end of the pen.
Competitive depth — A rotation based around Chacin, White, and Wandy is competitive next year. It’s even playoff worthy, and that doesn’t include the sudden quality depth of Hammel, Pomeranz, Nicasio (maybe), etc…there’s not an Alan Johnson to be found in that list.
Farm depth — I’m okay giving up some talent for Wandy because he has such an immediate impact. As long as we don’t trade anyone from the Bettis/Arenado/Matzek/Pomeranz/Story/Rosell/Rosario tier of prospects, I think we’ll be just fine. I’d give them Friedrich, I’d even give them Wheeler (sell high!). We could give them one or two quality names and still come out ahead long term here.
Payroll — Aaron Cook and Corpas money are off the books next year, which cover Wandy’s salary without adding payroll. Let’s face it, getting Aramis Ramirez or Cuddyer is a very unlikely proposition for the Rockies in any free agent market; with one as bereft of quality bats as this season it will be impossible. Acquire Wandy to solidify the pitching staff and see what else you can get. Don’t spend money just to try and acquire that one unlikely impact bat. We cannot compete against the big boys in the hunt.
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Yeah I'm not doing any cartwheels over Wandy
But this will likely be the 4th year out of the past five in which he’s made 30 starts. By contrast, Cook has done that twice in his career. if the organization can drop $10+ million on Cook the past three years, paying Wandy $12 mil shouldn’t be unthinkable.
It’s too much money, but lefty starters have always been paid too much money. I could see it working out okay.
by Northsider1964 on Aug 24, 2011 8:56 AM MDT up reply actions
Is paying Wandy 13 million
Worse than paying JDLR 12.5 to be injured half the season. Don’t get me wrong, I love Jorge’s stuff. But he only has one full season under his belt since becoming a serviceable pitcher in Colorado.
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by WalkerFan33 on Aug 24, 2011 9:58 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
You have a point as to staff workload
And I don’t think there’s going to be much better pitching available (for an affordable price anyway) in the free agent market. Just don’t expect Wandy to put up the same numbers at
Coors that he’s done overall in the last few years. (See home/road split warning above.)
If he can give us 180 IP, an ERA around 4.00 and a .500 W-L record, he’s probably worth it.
I’d give 50-50 odds on him being able to do those things, but that’s probably better odds than
Hammel, Cook, Rogers or Millwood being able to achieve those numbers.
2011 Rockies -- what the hell?
career at Coors Field
32.1 IP, 3.62 ERA, 1 HR allowed.
He’s actually been good at Coors in a decent sample size.
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Today will expand the sample size
(Assuming no deal gets done or close enough to done for the Astros to hold him out.)
It will be very interesting to watch.
Hard to figure what would be going through Rodriguez’s mind. If he wants to stay in Houston (weird, I know, but he’s very comfortable there & loves to pitch at MMP), does he not max out his effort to discourage the Rox from gettin him? Or if he’s ready to get out of there (see Oswalt, Roy) does he give it all he’s got to say, “Watch this — I can pitch at Coors.”? Hard to figure. Wandy’s had some confidence/attitude mental issues at times in the past (mild Frankie Morales Syndrome), so his psyce isn’t easy to analyze.
2011 Rockies -- what the hell?
Gotta see how he performs today.
I still don’t like the idea of Wandy in Coors, no matter how good you just spun it.
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 24, 2011 9:12 AM MDT up reply actions
You are going to weigh a single start with trade rumors flying at mid-day Coors over a much larger sample size?
I sure am glad the Indians didn’t do the same thing…
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he hasn't pitched a game in Coors in over a year.
And i was going for the “I want to see how his stuff looks in Coors before I decide if I want him or not”
If the curve is working and fooling hitters, sure give up a Friedrich + Gomez package. I just don’t see it happening.
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 24, 2011 9:20 AM MDT up reply actions
that would be hilarious to beat the crap out of him
then trade for him.
“hey, you suck here. stick around.”
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 24, 2011 9:49 AM MDT up reply actions
it's part of a plan to lower their asking price
shhhhhhhh
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 24, 2011 9:51 AM MDT up reply actions
as a Simpsons fan
I get this reference.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Exactly.
Today should mean nothing if our people are competent at their jobs.
(Even if DOD shamefully tried to pretend that the last start in SD would somehow have been meaningful to other trade options for Ubaldo.)
Today should mean nothing?
I’ll be paying attention to the quality of his pitches (to see how his curveball looks, to see if he can locate his fastball) at Coors.
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 24, 2011 10:19 AM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, I overstated it
obviously every data point should be meaningful to some degree. But if its a deal we are serious about, the results today should not move the needle very much if at all.
I also agree about the bullpen workload.
Matt Reynolds and Belisle can still be useful pieces when the Rockies are ready to compete again, so we shouldn’t destroy them in the meantime. Wandy might be a useful piece in ’13 when the Rockies should be looking to get back into it. Basically, I like the idea of finding reclamation projects with high ceiling and low cost for 2012. If they work out, great; they might help the Rockies compete, or better yet they could bring some sort of talent back in deadline trades.
this link is worth revisiting from a month ago
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/07/is-wandy-rodriguez-overpaid.html
A few GMs think there’s no chance any team would offer much in prospects for Wandy unless Houston eats a big portion of the contract. if they are right and Wade isn’t disillusioned againsi it, a trade is far more probable
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 24, 2011 9:14 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Maybe there's a chance for just a tiny bit of Apodaca magic too
boost his gb rate or something awesome like that!
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You can also look at return value in a year or two
Wandy may just be a short-term fix for 2012
If so, and the Astros pick up a chunk of his salary, you may be able to basically recoup your value next offseason.
by mattrob on Aug 24, 2011 9:57 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
That's what I was looking at yesterday
If all goes according to plan, in a year or so we shouldn’t have any need for Wandy, if the planned rotation of Chacin, White, Pomeranz, Nicasio and JdlR comes together. If we reach that point, he’s a trade piece. If we don’t, and there’s a few ifs there, we’ve got Wandy. Seems like a win/win to me…
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by Junction Rox on Aug 24, 2011 10:39 AM MDT up reply actions
I think I agree with all of this
It seems to me one of the only available ways of legitimately making a competitive move for next year (and any other way would have a similar cost). I’m not a huge fan of this guy, but I do think its a smart play if we can get it done. I also suspect that DOD knows this, and will make a real effort here.
Kouz is supposedly an above average defender at 3B
something we haven’t seen a lot of in this town(maybe young Vinny)
Wiggington has a career road line of .258 .319 .420 for a 92 OPS+ while Kouz has a career road line of .267 .310 .457 for a 112OPS+ so while at 30 years old he may not even be a stopgap for us there is some hope for a bounce back to above average.
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I think the last above average defender we had at third base was a kid named… uh… Steward, or something. Anyone remember who I’m talking about? Always thought he was pretty damn good over there.
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He isn't bad I like his lateral movement
but I cringe every time he charges a grounder
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remember Helton's ridiculous 2000 season?
He had a wRC+ that season that is matched this year by…Shane Victorino
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 24, 2011 8:57 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
I really don't care for the + when measuring players at Coors, too many veteran hitters can't hit here
and on the road
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to to mention the ridiculous level of offense league wide
as todd obtained that number with a .476(!) wOBA with only a .411 mark
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So went to the game on monday...took this pic...
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by hotdoglady on Aug 24, 2011 9:05 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm just glad the guy wore long shorts...
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Not a good defensive position for that guy...
In light of the foul ball stories above. Just sayin’.
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Considering I was in the purple row
and he was a couple above me…I think his junk is safe.
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I'd laugh if Seth Smith would've proved that theory wrong.
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It's anyway, not anyways.
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Way to represent the Row there
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I actually love sitting up there
behind home plate.
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Foul balls, indeed
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by Paleface Destro on Aug 24, 2011 11:03 AM MDT up reply actions 3 recs
Unpleasant Terrirtory for sure!
Is it 2012 yet?
by DAWNMARIE01 on Aug 24, 2011 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
you are on fire today!
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I had more caffeine than usual this morning.
Is it 2012 yet?
by DAWNMARIE01 on Aug 24, 2011 11:05 AM MDT up reply actions
Well if this is your caffeinated production
I suggest you stay on this plan. It’s hilarious
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This picture makes me want to start chanting USA! USA!
and I can’t quite figure out why…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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Nice photo
BUT SOME CROPPING IS MOST DEFINITELY IN ORDER!
by Northsider1964 on Aug 24, 2011 9:20 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I see some WMDs
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 24, 2011 9:44 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
you win the world.
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is that Glenn Beck?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 24, 2011 9:55 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
well he does look proud of himself for no reason at all...
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by hotdoglady on Aug 24, 2011 9:57 AM MDT up reply actions 3 recs
Terrific.
Just an average guy with exceptional hair. Nothing more, nothing less.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 24, 2011 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions
Certainly looks like him!
Is it 2012 yet?
by DAWNMARIE01 on Aug 24, 2011 10:23 AM MDT up reply actions
I've seen Rafael Betancourt
You, sir, are no Rafael Betancourt
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by Paleface Destro on Aug 24, 2011 11:03 AM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
well played
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Thanks
I feel like hot garbage today, so it’s nice to see at least part of me is working correctly.
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by Paleface Destro on Aug 24, 2011 11:08 AM MDT up reply actions
Well, I'm probably not the best
measure of what works correctly, but I admire the effort nonetheless
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Re: Wandy trade
With the Astros being so terrible, would it be possible, or even legal, for them to come up with a crack deal where Wandy’s waived outright (voiding the 2014 option), then the Rockies put a couple of players on waivers the Astros (who get the first claim, if I understand right) would want and could then claim?
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"... One order of buffalo wings, please..." -Yokel, after July 30, 2011
So if 1998 Barry Bonds joined the Padres tomorrow
How many HR would you expect over the next 5 years?
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35-45 a season
with a 70 guy in there somewhere…
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Ummm, you're just a trolley ride away from anything you want in San Diego.
…or so I’ve heard :)
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It's anyway, not anyways.
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Part of me thinks that
as Sabermetrics become more firmly grounded in their current plateau (i.e. only real incremental improvements), this discussion of clutchness and player makeup and team chemistry will regain some legs.
I’m totally down with advanced metrics, but things such as our ridiculous run in 2009 where we played over our heads for 2/3 a season, as well as recent reports about our team lacking mental toughness, or every time an awesome prospect with all the tools burns out, these all keep the more ‘unquantifiable’ intangibles just past the foreground of my baseball consciousness…
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If the Rox really think they have a chance to compete down the stretch this year
they should get him before he has the possibility of ending the streak here and then give Rogers back to the bullpen.
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Super. Cargo.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 24, 2011 9:42 AM MDT reply actions 13 recs
I called in external help on this one.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 24, 2011 9:45 AM MDT up reply actions
suddenly CarGo.
Love it.
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The glove thing at the end...Yea, I got it.
Prediction----> Cargo and Tulo will both have over 30 homers this year
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Can this become the site logo for just a little while?
I can’t stop watching. It’s brilliant. I love his little, “here it is, I got it”
Just perfection.
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by SDcat09 on Aug 24, 2011 10:03 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Also, best gif EVER
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This will never get old
Prediction----> Cargo and Tulo will both have over 30 homers this year
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by Roxman4ever on Aug 24, 2011 10:10 AM MDT up reply actions
You know he should get extra points for nailing the landing
plus he slid for about 2 feet after. God, I love this so very much.
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I love Herrera's little point there.
HE DA MAN RIGHT THERE!
Prediction----> Cargo and Tulo will both have over 30 homers this year
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by Roxman4ever on Aug 24, 2011 10:11 AM MDT up reply actions
who put the Slip-n-Slide on the field?
Is it 2012 yet?
by DAWNMARIE01 on Aug 24, 2011 10:24 AM MDT up reply actions
Nice. You win caption contest
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CARGO OUT OF NOWHERE
FFFFFFFFFFF.
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Aug 24, 2011 10:27 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Wow..
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Kouzmamoff here. Will activated. Not sure of corresponding move yet
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 24, 2011 10:02 AM MDT reply actions
Why is this surprising?
We didn’t acquire him to add to AAA collection.
You do know we acquried him and sent him directly to AAA, right?
I just wonder who’s going to be demoted for Kouz. Could be Nelson.
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 24, 2011 10:21 AM MDT up reply actions
WIGGY!
Prediction----> Cargo and Tulo will both have over 30 homers this year
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by Roxman4ever on Aug 24, 2011 10:22 AM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'm sure that was required by roster issues
because we weren’t going to use him last night so moving him to MLB immediately would have required a move. I assume he’ll be in the dugout (but not the roster) today and then the move will be made and he’ll be starting in LA on Friday.
He was obviously acquired to play this year for the Rox.
Yeah.
I really don’t mind seeing if Kouz can stick at 3B.
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 24, 2011 10:29 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm almost positive it will be Nelson.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 24, 2011 11:03 AM MDT up reply actions
dump ellis
he’s a waste of time.
let nelson play 2nd, he will never hit enough to justify third.
wiggy can play multiple positions (sort of)
other dump would be EY2 – he’s can never contribute enough offensively to be worth playing as an outfielder. well, really, as anything….
Nelson is an awful fielder though, I don't know if we can justify him at 2B
Ellis far outfielding AND outhitting Nelson.
I’m not against moving EYJ.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 24, 2011 10:47 AM MDT up reply actions
Maybe he'll be traded to Houston for Wandy.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 24, 2011 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions
i disagree with all of this
I’m not impressed with EY but there is no reason to just dump him, we might be able to use him as a trade chip
by purplesocks on Aug 24, 2011 11:06 AM MDT up reply actions
dump ellis over wiggy?
clearly the earthquake has affected the inner workings of your mind good sire
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maybe he was hit in the head by Herrera's homer last night?
Is it 2012 yet?
by DAWNMARIE01 on Aug 24, 2011 11:11 AM MDT up reply actions
smith's and i might buy it
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my question is..
Is it better than this one?
http://colorado.rockies.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=12460001
Prediction----> Cargo and Tulo will both have over 30 homers this year
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Saw this in person. I can't believe how far he flew through the air
Prediction----> Cargo and Tulo will both have over 30 homers this year
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by Roxman4ever on Aug 24, 2011 10:05 AM MDT up reply actions
I think it is for the humor factor
because on the TV shot we didn’t see him come in until the last second. But this is just a perfect catch in a highly important game.
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Oh you just game me an idea.
Can someone good with gifs do a mashup of this Cargo catch and the one from last night, where they are running at each other?
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this would be awesome
Prediction----> Cargo and Tulo will both have over 30 homers this year
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by Roxman4ever on Aug 24, 2011 10:07 AM MDT up reply actions
Wandy isn't worth a top prospect, especially if the Astros aren't going to knock any money off the contract.
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Astros still want one of Rox top prospects and for Colorado to take on 37 mill of wandy contract so right now no momentum for deal
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 24, 2011 10:03 AM MDT reply actions
I'd give them Friedrich or Wheeler.
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Renck just mentioned "Rosario" for the 3rd time.
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 24, 2011 10:05 AM MDT up reply actions
No.
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If they want Rosario. Tell them to take a hike and dont let the door hit in you the butt on the way out
Prediction----> Cargo and Tulo will both have over 30 homers this year
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by Roxman4ever on Aug 24, 2011 10:09 AM MDT up reply actions
Here's how that conversation should go
Ed Wade: How about Rosario for Wandy?
O’Dowd: No. click
How the world will end in 2012: George of the Roses builds a Machine that Pommels everyone with La Violencia during Whiteouts.
I hope it was
1. The Rockies will not include Rosario in any deal for Wandy.
2. The Rockies are still not going to include Rosario in any deal for Wandy.
3. There is no way in hell the Rockies are going to give up Rosario in any deal for Wandy, so would you PLEASE just stop asking about it??
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by Junction Rox on Aug 24, 2011 11:20 AM MDT up reply actions
Wheeler?
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 24, 2011 10:18 AM MDT up reply actions
I really want to see what Wheeler does next season first before moving him
Friedrich, on the other hand, is all theirs.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 24, 2011 11:05 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm really not sold on the guy as an MLB corner bat
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doesn't matter anyway
Renck responded to my tweet saying the Astros are not asking about Friedrich or Wheeler at this point. It looks like they are really going after a TOP name from us.
Pomeranz/Rosario/Arenado/Matzek territory
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HIt the road buddy. NO DEAL
Prediction----> Cargo and Tulo will both have over 30 homers this year
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by Roxman4ever on Aug 24, 2011 11:15 AM MDT up reply actions
Jesus, that's terrible.
I’d kindly tell Ed Wade to go seek a courtship with himself.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 24, 2011 11:15 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I chuckled at this euphemism.
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LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Seriously Ed, that is hilarious….
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by Junction Rox on Aug 24, 2011 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions
Do you really think he can't play CF at all or just here?
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I don't see him as a CF in general, and I have doubts that his bat will play on the corners consistently
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It isn't happening
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 24, 2011 10:13 AM MDT up reply actions
Dammit Wade, you gave away Oswalt and Pence for next to nothing.
You’re supposed to be incompetent.
by Shoemaker on Aug 24, 2011 10:17 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
He'll forget to pull Wandy back tomorrow
And let us have him for nothing.
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yeah, isn't the pence deal supposed to be an overpay?
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by Paleface Destro on Aug 24, 2011 11:18 AM MDT up reply actions
So, no then, eh?
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
A lot is two words. Allot can be one word but it has another meaning.
The only time you really want to use "myself" is when you are the recipient of your own action. Usually you're better off using "me."
Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
It's anyway, not anyways.
But if you only remember one thing...
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
Wow, really?
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by Paleface Destro on Aug 24, 2011 11:16 AM MDT up reply actions
Dang Seth I take back everything I have ever said about you.
/clap clap clap
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With Kouz being activated today, I think Chris Nelson's playing time gets cut dramatically.
he hasn’t been very good either way.
I
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 24, 2011 10:11 AM MDT reply actions
I am done with Chris Nelson
he will never be a everyday player on a good baseball team, I would rather have Herrera around than Nelson
I like Nelson's opposite field power.
But I agree with this:
he will never be a everyday player on a good baseball team
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 24, 2011 10:22 AM MDT up reply actions
But but but
if we lose Nelson and Stewart in one offseason, and CDI is the clear starter…what “prospect” underuse are people going to complain about???
Free Ben Paulsen!
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 24, 2011 10:29 AM MDT up reply actions
Why does O'Dowd/Tracy hate Mike Zuanich????
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A lot is two words. Allot can be one word but it has another meaning.
The only time you really want to use "myself" is when you are the recipient of your own action. Usually you're better off using "me."
Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
It's anyway, not anyways.
But if you only remember one thing...
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
Free Wheeler!
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Brett Tanos for 2B!!!!!!
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by Junction Rox on Aug 24, 2011 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions
Wong answer.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 24, 2011 11:25 AM MDT up reply actions
Look how Wong he is..
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by Junction Rox on Aug 24, 2011 11:27 AM MDT up reply actions
Raffy?
Prediction----> Cargo and Tulo will both have over 30 homers this year
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by Roxman4ever on Aug 24, 2011 11:27 AM MDT up reply actions
he reminds them of CDI for some reason?
Is it 2012 yet?
by DAWNMARIE01 on Aug 24, 2011 10:59 AM MDT up reply actions
I don't get the Nelson hate.
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It's his turn today.
Not sure why though either.
Is it 2012 yet?
by DAWNMARIE01 on Aug 24, 2011 11:01 AM MDT up reply actions
Agreed
the guy has only had 200 ML plate appearances.
Time for some of this Rockies: "One of the beautiful things about baseball is that every once in a while you come into a situation where you want to, and where you have to, reach down and prove something." Nolan Ryan
Me neither
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I don't hate him
but I sure don’t get the love either. He’s not awful or anything, but he doesn’t seem to be altogether very good.
IAWTC
I was all for giving him a trial to see what he can do. But it’s not unlimited. 200 PA’s is enough time to show that you can bring something to the table. I’m really not sure what it is he’s supposed to have shown at this point… A steal of home, OPS of .606 and .459 the two months that he’s gotten 70 or more PAs? Or his mind bottling .172 OPS in late and close situations (1 for 26)?
At this point I’ve just given up dreaming that there is a superstar hiding deep inside Nelson, and if we just keep “freeing” him indefinitely, it’s going to decide to make an appearance one day…
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by Junction Rox on Aug 24, 2011 11:47 AM MDT up reply actions
Yep
I could be compelled to care more if he showed a better eye or a likelihood to be elite on defense…but right now he’s living off raw tools and draft hype, which might be more meaningful if he was drafted in 2008 or something.
I am all for letting him finish the year in heavy rotation because I’d like the question settled once and for all. But if the demotion happens, it appears that DOD has seen all he needs to see and we should probably stop talking about him as a legitimate option going forward.
He's pretty bad thus far
It’s not so much hatred as I just don’t have much hope for him, and his defense isn’t giving me reason to.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 24, 2011 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions
We should have moved him last year to KC
they were looking for MIF help and you could still squint enough to see him as a SS then
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I haven't been keeping up
but realized I haven’t spotted Spilly lately (not such a bad thing), where has he gone?
Rehabbing in AAA
He’ll be back September 1
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 24, 2011 10:15 AM MDT up reply actions
Thanks
It feels like there’s been a ton of roster moves this year compared to years past.
there's been a lot of injuries, too
That’s why Spilly went down, plantar fasciitis.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 24, 2011 10:31 AM MDT up reply actions
Them..Waiting on us
1. Jordan Schafer (L) CF
2. J.B. Shuck (L) LF
3. Matt Downs® 2B
4. Carlos Lee® 1B
5. Brian Bogusevic (L) RF
6. Jimmy Paredes (S) 3B
7. Clint Barmes® SS
8. Carlos Corporan (S) C
9. Wandy Rodriguez (S) P
Prediction----> Cargo and Tulo will both have over 30 homers this year
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J.B. Shuck should change his first name to "Giants"
That way his name would be “Giants Shuck”
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I just wonder what kind of lineup JT will put out there today
I SAY LET SMITH PLAY!
Prediction----> Cargo and Tulo will both have over 30 homers this year
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
I doubt Seth plays
Btw, who the hell is our 4th outfielder?
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 24, 2011 10:36 AM MDT up reply actions
Prediction
EY
Fowler
Cargo
Tulo
Giambi
Kouz
Ellis
Alfonzo
Cook
Prediction----> Cargo and Tulo will both have over 30 homers this year
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
I think Wiggy is definitely in the lineup, probably in place of Giambi
I also want CDI to start, but I don’t see that happening.
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 24, 2011 10:40 AM MDT up reply actions
I want to see Giambi and Wiggy left out. Would love to see CDI
Prediction----> Cargo and Tulo will both have over 30 homers this year
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by Roxman4ever on Aug 24, 2011 10:41 AM MDT up reply actions
Wandy is LHP
Wiggy has good numbers against LHP, so he’s certainly in there.
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 24, 2011 10:42 AM MDT up reply actions
so is Giambi though
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=18061239
Prediction----> Cargo and Tulo will both have over 30 homers this year
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by Roxman4ever on Aug 24, 2011 10:47 AM MDT up reply actions
Helton's off day
He looked really bad last night.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 24, 2011 10:47 AM MDT up reply actions
Yea. Todd needs a day to think about it
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by Roxman4ever on Aug 24, 2011 10:48 AM MDT up reply actions
I think his back could use the 2 days off, personally
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 24, 2011 10:49 AM MDT up reply actions
he was making those weird awful flailing swings like he did last year
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 24, 2011 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions
He looked a little tired and stiff last night
Prediction----> Cargo and Tulo will both have over 30 homers this year
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by Roxman4ever on Aug 24, 2011 10:51 AM MDT up reply actions
Very close to being right
EY
Fowler
CarGo
Tulo
Wiggy
kouz
Alfonzo
Ellis
Cook
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 24, 2011 11:13 AM MDT up reply actions
How the hell did you get already?
Prediction----> Cargo and Tulo will both have over 30 homers this year
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by Roxman4ever on Aug 24, 2011 11:14 AM MDT up reply actions
whatever that is?
Prediction----> Cargo and Tulo will both have over 30 homers this year
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by Roxman4ever on Aug 24, 2011 11:16 AM MDT up reply actions
A joke.
Are you following Jim Armstrong on Twitter?
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 24, 2011 11:16 AM MDT up reply actions
no. What the heck is twitter?
Too much stuff for me
Prediction----> Cargo and Tulo will both have over 30 homers this year
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
by Roxman4ever on Aug 24, 2011 11:17 AM MDT up reply actions
I think you can find it
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 24, 2011 11:18 AM MDT up reply actions
ok thats not funny. LOL
Prediction----> Cargo and Tulo will both have over 30 homers this year
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by Roxman4ever on Aug 24, 2011 11:19 AM MDT up reply actions
he's jim tracy
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
2012: get ready for White Pomz!
YESSSSSSSSS.
CDI looked good last night, LH starter on mound today.
sigh
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 24, 2011 11:20 AM MDT up reply actions
No way man, day game after night game
Or, in layman’s terms, any excuse to not play Iannetta.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 24, 2011 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions
Also off day tomorrow.
CDI should really be playing today. ugh
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 24, 2011 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions
Oh I know.
I know.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 24, 2011 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions
Tracy loves him some Alfonzo.
Can’t talk highly enough about him in his press conferences, which makes me really paranoid that we’re going to re-sign him.
Tracy seems to fall in love with every shitty non-Iannetta catcher that we sign.
It's pretty true.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 24, 2011 11:24 AM MDT up reply actions
i really wonder what iannetta did to tracy to make him hate him
or maybe it’s like the janitor and JD on the first episode of “scrubs”
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 24, 2011 11:26 AM MDT up reply actions
no with the penny in the door
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2012: get ready for White Pomz!
stupid Mike Scioscia
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No matter what, at least no backup catcher the Rockies will ever have
will be as shitty as Jeff Mathis.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 24, 2011 11:26 AM MDT up reply actions
yeah, but how is he at framing pitches?
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Probably awesome, I'm sure.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 24, 2011 11:27 AM MDT up reply actions
Good. He can start.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 24, 2011 11:27 AM MDT up reply actions
We don't need to re-sign him, he's not headed for free agency.
You mean you’re afraid we’re going to tender him a contract.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 24, 2011 11:35 AM MDT up reply actions
but he would still just get a minimum contract right?
i see on rockies roster it says he may be super 2 eligible (see notes). where are the notes?
by purplesocks on Aug 24, 2011 11:38 AM MDT up reply actions
Click on his name and read the player card.
I added that note because Alfonzo’s service time is a little wonky. I calculated it by hand and got something different than Cots has listed on their site. I’m using Cots’ number, but I actually think Alfonzo’s service time is about 30 days larger.
Either way, Alfonzo won’t break 3.000, but he does have a chance to hit Super 2 status either way.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 24, 2011 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions
Redundancy FTW!
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 24, 2011 11:45 AM MDT up reply actions
ah, thanks for the explanation
incredible work you have done on that site
by purplesocks on Aug 24, 2011 11:46 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Alfonzo Ellis
lol
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 24, 2011 11:16 AM MDT up reply actions
The former Nuggets forward?
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Thank you! I was like, wait, that name is familiar!
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Yep
How the world will end in 2012: George of the Roses builds a Machine that Pommels everyone with La Violencia during Whiteouts.
I mean, I know it was LaPhonso Ellis, but still
I lol’d
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 24, 2011 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions
Look how wrong you are.. FUTBOL!
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man, I want to watch Kouz' debut.
I wonder if they’ll let me leave work (no)
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 24, 2011 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions
hahaha, YES
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 24, 2011 11:57 AM MDT up reply actions
Renck tweets
Chris Nelson just came out of Jim Tracy’s office. So that appears most likely move to activate Kouzmanoff
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And this is stupid
Prediction----> Cargo and Tulo will both have over 30 homers this year
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by Roxman4ever on Aug 24, 2011 11:02 AM MDT up reply actions
meh
"Don't give up, don't ever give up" - Jim Valvano
by nodakroxfan on Aug 24, 2011 11:03 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
this
Nelson hasn’t done much other than get drafted high and accidentally steal home once, he impresses me not.
I'm kinda-sorta starting to feel this way, too.
Although I really would like to see him start for, like, a week or two consecutively and see how he comes out of it.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 24, 2011 11:06 AM MDT up reply actions
Yep
Steal home once, become fan favorite, be less than stellar with bat yet still get a pass to remain freed
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by nodakroxfan on Aug 24, 2011 11:16 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't get why
Kouz is a better option than seeing once and for all if Nelson can play at all, but I don’t get much of what DOD is doing these days.
why?
He’s been terrible.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 24, 2011 11:46 AM MDT up reply actions
Oh GODDAMNIT
Please make Wigginton go away instead, tia
FFFFFFFFFFF.
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Aug 24, 2011 11:05 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
THIS!
Prediction----> Cargo and Tulo will both have over 30 homers this year
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by Roxman4ever on Aug 24, 2011 11:06 AM MDT up reply actions
No kidding.
There is nothing wrong with Chris Nelson.
There is nothing right with Wiggy.
How is this such a difficult concept?
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theres nothing wrong with chris nelson?
whats right about .231/.258/.340 .264wOBA?
by purplesocks on Aug 24, 2011 11:14 AM MDT up reply actions
200 PAs
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This
and that line isn’t far from Tulo’s first 200 ML PAs.
Such quick judgement for a very very small sample size.
Time for some of this Rockies: "One of the beautiful things about baseball is that every once in a while you come into a situation where you want to, and where you have to, reach down and prove something." Nolan Ryan
While I agree in theory
that is a ridiculous comparison. Tulo was an elite prospect worthy of latitude. Nelson is a fringe prospect at best anymore.
I am sorry wasn't Nelson at one time an elite prospect?
The point is no matter what…. you have to be given an opportunity to show what you have/or don’t have.
Basing anything on 200PA is moronic and insulting to the game itself.
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are you pissed that they gave up on jayson nix so quickly?
by purplesocks on Aug 24, 2011 11:47 AM MDT up reply actions
Who?.... No... ;)
not sure why this has so riled up but I really believe you have to give people a legitimate chance so see what they can be.
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it's a Right Now thing
Nelson will probably have a shot at the job in ST, but he couldn’t hit his way out of a wet paper sack right now.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 24, 2011 11:49 AM MDT up reply actions
You think so?
If the org won’t give him a shot now, how can they possibly give him a chance in ST? I’m not really a big fan of whatever it is we’re doing in ST anyway because there seem to be some big flaws…but even moreso, I won’t enjoy it if we can’t find a guy for next year that is better than a guy we won’t even let play this year when games don’t matter.
I think they're all holding their breath for this Wandy deal
if it happens…. they think we might have a shot at this. Who knows, they might. But if the Wandy thing falls through, then they might as well run Nelson out there. They’re just trying to keep this momentum alive for a little longer.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 24, 2011 12:00 PM MDT up reply actions
It doesn't seem to me
that it is very smart for development purposes (to say nothing for being at all realistic), though I guess DOD’s focus now is undoubtedly on post-Ubaldo PR “we’re not rebuilding!”, so for that reason I guess it makes sense.
It's kind of a mix, I'm with you for the most part
But I’m pretty sure the organization isn’t looking at Nelson as a “prospect” anymore, and he’s just kind of fading with the rest of the crappy infield options.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 24, 2011 12:04 PM MDT up reply actions
I definitely think that is true
they would not demote him if there was any organizational belief in the guy at all. Which is why I was surprised you suggested he might still be a 2012 candidate.
the same way Herrera was
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 24, 2011 12:10 PM MDT up reply actions
he's not a recent draft pick
he’s been in the system forever, and he is no longer anything close to an elite prospect. The organization has obviously never believed in him, and 200 PA has confirmed that view. As I’ve noted, I’m all for letting him play out this season, but it appears his time is done.
yeah, i'd rather see them put it to bed once and for all
put him back in AAA and watch him light up and then there’s always going to be questions. run him out there in the remaining games and there won’t be.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 24, 2011 11:59 AM MDT up reply actions
I don't really have any more questions about AAA
If Spilly can sock two dingers in a rehab assignment that tells me all I need to know.
Willy Taveras has 10 home runs this year down there.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 24, 2011 12:04 PM MDT up reply actions
Jeff Mathis hit like .300/.375/.450 in AAA.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 24, 2011 12:11 PM MDT up reply actions
I stand corrected...
He actually had a .502 slugging percentage one year.
/PCL
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 24, 2011 12:15 PM MDT up reply actions
He is not you are correct - been in the system forever, not an elite prospect and the Org appears to have no faith
200 PA is what I am arguing against. There is no way to tell what someone can be with 200 PA.
I can’t guarantee he will be worth a damn but you can’t tell anything from 200 PA
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So how long do you give?
And how many people do you give that opportunity? There are plenty of people who are decided upon without ever having a MLB plate appearance. There are plenty of people who get less than 200 PA and are gone. It’s simply impossible to give everybody 1000 plate appearances just to see if they can play or not.
Nelson has an OPS+ of 53 right now. The number of players in Rockies history with a lower OPS + and more plate appearances? 1. Omar Quintanilla…
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by Junction Rox on Aug 24, 2011 1:51 PM MDT up reply actions
this is pretty much it
to give someone a real chance, you have to have a reason to think they might capitalize on such chance. It does not appear that Nelson has given any reason to the FO. Its hard to make any sort of case for him, and I suspect if he wasn’t a former 1st rounder nobody would even know his name.
I agree with this it appears the FO has no faith whatsoever
Which makes my opinions pretty much useless.
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See that last paragraph isn't looking at enough (which is my issue)
How many Rockies first 200 PA sucked just like Nelson’s have? At least two Cargo and Tulo are now stars.
Now I am not saying he will be a star but I am saying you can’t make a determination so quickly.
Too your first questions “how long and how many people?” I am not sure, but what would it hurt to run Nelson types out there everyday from here on out. I see not knowing what you have as a big problem (which reared its ugly head this year).
No I don’t believe the season is salvageable. As much as I want to believe…..
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What's right about keeping Wiggy?
Veteraniness
that’s it
Also he can deliver babies which might be of benefit.
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 24, 2011 11:17 AM MDT up reply actions
counterpoint:
useless with men on base, cannot field any position
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Counterpoint, part deux:
The one position we could use him for already has a mostly-useless backup in Jason Giambi.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 24, 2011 11:51 AM MDT up reply actions
yeah but tulo is also a top 5 defender in baseball
since when did you become a wiggy defender, andrew?
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Opening Day, I think.
Wiggy has NOT been as bad as everyone is making him out to be.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 24, 2011 12:01 PM MDT up reply actions
-0.2 rWAR, 0.8 fWAR
sounds pretty bad to me
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hangon, I haven't decided which fielding metric I'm going to use yet.
The team brought him in fully knowing that he’s a poor fielder. They wanted his bat. He’s at least been competent at 3B/1B, and he has a league average bat. He is doing what the team is paying him to do.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 24, 2011 12:06 PM MDT up reply actions
This is my view
somewhere along the way people forgot what his role was. Maybe its fair to bang him for failing to step up after Stew’s demise, but I’m not mad at him for being exactly who I thought he was.
HE IS WHO WE THOUGHT HE WAS
I fully blame Ian Stewart, I’ll be honest.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 24, 2011 12:11 PM MDT up reply actions
I think the anger stems from the fact he was supposed to be "depth"
Stewart was supposed to start. If Wiggy is doing what he does from the bench I don’t think there’s near the amount of vitriol.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 24, 2011 12:09 PM MDT up reply actions
exactly
the worst thing about wiggy is his 360+ PAs of suckitude, if he had like 150 it would be annoying but not really as big an issue
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he was always going to get 300+ PAs
either JT or DD said so after the signing
by purplesocks on Aug 24, 2011 12:14 PM MDT up reply actions
why can't you people let me hate
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We can hate him. Its our right. LOL
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by Roxman4ever on Aug 24, 2011 12:15 PM MDT up reply actions
and I can defend him, it's my right. ಠ_ಠ
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 24, 2011 12:16 PM MDT up reply actions
very true. Opinions...Everyone has one like everyone has...................
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by Roxman4ever on Aug 24, 2011 12:17 PM MDT up reply actions
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by Roxman4ever on Aug 24, 2011 12:19 PM MDT up reply actions
hate = love
/Oates’d
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but between backup 3b and backup 1b
mostly it’s been starting 3b with some 1b and lf thrown in.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 24, 2011 12:16 PM MDT up reply actions
veteranarianess?
maybe he can birth piglets too?
Is it 2012 yet?
by DAWNMARIE01 on Aug 24, 2011 11:30 AM MDT up reply actions
But can he slop them
THAT is the important question
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by Paleface Destro on Aug 24, 2011 11:34 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm more concerned with whether
he can slop the children. WON’T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN?
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Veteraniness on loser teams, maybe.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 24, 2011 11:50 AM MDT up reply actions
As long as no one's on base.
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as long as it's not RISP
he’s been like a borderline All Star bat (I’d have to look this up to verify, but if his RISP splits are so bad, and he grades out as a league average bat, his Non-RISP splits must be marvelous).
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 24, 2011 12:02 PM MDT up reply actions
Have you looked at Nelson's splits in "clutch" situations?
They’re not exactly sparkling either…
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by Junction Rox on Aug 24, 2011 1:54 PM MDT up reply actions
I think there's some sarcasm in there.
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 24, 2011 11:16 AM MDT up reply actions
Sarcasm in where?
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To the post I replied to?
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 24, 2011 11:17 AM MDT up reply actions
I don't think Yokel was being sarcastic
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I'm 100% sure he was being sarcastic
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 24, 2011 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions
Yokel, paging Yokel
to a completely unimportant yet highly relevant debate!
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i'm pretty sure he's a pro-nelson guy
i’m for damn sure he’s anti-wiggy
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At least I hope he was being sarcastic
Chris Nelson has been pretty terrible this year
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 24, 2011 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions
This
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you're kidding, right?
Wigginton has done everything Nelson has, and better (except field 3B I guess, but Nelson’s been so bad at 2B, it’s a wash?).
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 24, 2011 11:49 AM MDT up reply actions
Interesting...
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
A lot is two words. Allot can be one word but it has another meaning.
The only time you really want to use "myself" is when you are the recipient of your own action. Usually you're better off using "me."
Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
It's anyway, not anyways.
But if you only remember one thing...
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
Not surprised by this, at all.
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yeah, that's interesting
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 24, 2011 11:52 AM MDT up reply actions
Maybe JT is scared to put out the lineup.
We might tear him apart if it up to our standards. Day game. I bet it dont
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Or his Magic 8 Ball is on the fritz
Is it 2012 yet?
by DAWNMARIE01 on Aug 24, 2011 11:11 AM MDT up reply actions
they ran out of fortune cookies at the chinese restaurant he ate at last night
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Good point<----------------------------------------
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by Roxman4ever on Aug 24, 2011 11:13 AM MDT up reply actions
Renck tweets Rox lineup
RT @jim_armstrong rox lineup…young lf…fowler cf….cargo rf..tulo ss…wiggy 1b… kouzmanoff 3b…alfonzoc…ellis 2b….cook p
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at least wiggy's still here
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Dodged a bullet right there we did
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what a crock!
I wanted Giambi. He’s a veteran. He can hit left LHP
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by Roxman4ever on Aug 24, 2011 11:30 AM MDT up reply actions
george, is that you?
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Nope sorry.
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by Roxman4ever on Aug 24, 2011 11:32 AM MDT up reply actions
apparently
giants have waiver claimed heath bell…
please make this NOT happen…
and they already gave up their last prospect to get beltran
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which would be good for us
until the Padres are fully reloaded and then we’re in teh same position but with a different team…
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and who do they have?
A bunch of old broken down players.
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by Roxman4ever on Aug 24, 2011 11:32 AM MDT up reply actions
holy crap
Padres fans probably melting down right now. I mean to the Giants???
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It won't happen
unless the Giants give up one of their top prospects like….
…..
…Surkamp?
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belt for bell?
lol
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suspenders???
any name close to that in the gints minors??
Tie.
FFFFFFFFFFF.
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Bochy DOES hate Belt...
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 24, 2011 12:03 PM MDT up reply actions
Gary Brown? fits the SD model
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I just can't see SF completely empty their farm system
After Brown, they literally have nobody. Belt is 10 PA from exhausting rookie status.
Surkamp may be their best prospect at the end of the year, and he’s a younger Edwar Cabrera more than anything
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We should put a claim on Bell
Just because of this
FFFFFFFFFFF.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Aug 24, 2011 11:34 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
DO IT
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by Roxman4ever on Aug 24, 2011 11:35 AM MDT up reply actions
Bell Blocking
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This Wandy thing ain't gonna happen....
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Don't be stupid Astros
just give us the pitcher.
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this made me laugh
“shut up. just do it.”
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 24, 2011 11:41 AM MDT up reply actions
you're gonna take Reynolds and pay Wandy $30 million,
then you’re gonna wish us a nice day.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 24, 2011 11:41 AM MDT up reply actions
This is how the Yankees and Red Sox are able to complete a majority of their trades.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 24, 2011 12:04 PM MDT up reply actions
FYP
This is howthe Yankees and Red Sox areAlex Anthopolous is able to complete a majority of their trades.
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friggin' "Awsome GM 101" right here
Yo, shut up and give us Wandy, we’ll be your friend or something…
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they wont get Rosario.
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by Roxman4ever on Aug 24, 2011 11:33 AM MDT up reply actions
it was a fun fantasy
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I can almost guarantee that Chad Bettis is that top young pitcher
they drafted him in 2007
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and now they want him back
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by Roxman4ever on Aug 24, 2011 11:34 AM MDT up reply actions
Wasn't he a reliever when he was drafted?
Those jerks aren’t gonna benefit from our hard work not screwing up a pitching prospect.
besides sabean is TINSTAAP to the core
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WTH does Sabean have to do with Wandy?
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by Junction Rox on Aug 24, 2011 11:49 AM MDT up reply actions
If it is sabes that P stands for prospect
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good point
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by Junction Rox on Aug 24, 2011 1:55 PM MDT up reply actions
oh god if we sent them Bettis for Wandy, I'd be very OK with that.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 24, 2011 11:53 AM MDT up reply actions
Wouldn't mind that at all.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 24, 2011 12:05 PM MDT up reply actions
it would hurt, but he would have to hit his ceiling for us to regret that decision.
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which is kind of Wandy Rodriguez
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 24, 2011 12:12 PM MDT up reply actions
but a RHP and cheap for many years
I’m okay with this swap. It would hurt, but it’s doable unlike Arenado/Rosario/Pomeranz
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Only if thay ate some contract
3-4 Million a year
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I don't think we're going to send them anything if they want us to take on the entire thing.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 24, 2011 12:08 PM MDT up reply actions
I figured that was assumed, sorry
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 24, 2011 12:11 PM MDT up reply actions
let's not forget that he's an idiot
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2012: get ready for White Pomz!
Maybe, but....
he’d be derelict in his duties giving Wandy away if he doesn’t have to. He has all off-season to shop him, so he doesn’t have to settle now.
plus they can still realistically keep wandy for next year
the owner has said that their payroll will be in the 60s and with wandy they have 47 mil committed for next year. I really think the odds of this happening are low.
by purplesocks on Aug 24, 2011 11:41 AM MDT up reply actions
Eff off Ed Wade you dip-s---.
FFFFFFFFFFF.
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Aug 24, 2011 11:36 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Maybe we could flip to the Indians for Kipnis or Chisnehall
Prediction----> Cargo and Tulo will both have over 30 homers this year
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those guys are their Tulo and Cargo
it ain’t happening
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They seem to want pitching
Prediction----> Cargo and Tulo will both have over 30 homers this year
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
by Roxman4ever on Aug 24, 2011 11:40 AM MDT up reply actions
They want pitching
But to give up one of those two they’d have to get Clayton Kershaw or someone of that ilk
How the world will end in 2012: George of the Roses builds a Machine that Pommels everyone with La Violencia during Whiteouts.
yes, I'm sure that Chris Antonetti will ever deal with the Rockies again.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 24, 2011 11:54 AM MDT up reply actions
More from Renck re Kouz
Tracy “Kouzmanoff is going to get a look”. So expect a run of starts or a “series of games” as Tracy said
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/goes 0-4
/sits for a week
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 24, 2011 11:42 AM MDT up reply actions
Come on, be fair.
He only does that with young players he hats.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 24, 2011 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions
hats, fantastic
I hate today
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 24, 2011 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions
LineupSortingHat agrees
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whatever, Iannetta's a Muggle as far as TracyHat is concerned.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 24, 2011 12:02 PM MDT up reply actions
there's no latin in him
no way he can be a squib
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 24, 2011 12:03 PM MDT up reply actions
i though filch was
white north american
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CDI looks a little more Hufflepuff than anything else
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Tracy is a Ravenclaw. Must be why I'm not at his throat all the time.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 24, 2011 12:07 PM MDT up reply actions
Cargo is definitely Ravenclaw he is so damn smooth
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 24, 2011 12:08 PM MDT up reply actions
fffffffffffff
/watches Maria’s video
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 24, 2011 12:09 PM MDT up reply actions 3 recs
Never saw this. This is good
Prediction----> Cargo and Tulo will both have over 30 homers this year
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by Roxman4ever on Aug 24, 2011 12:13 PM MDT up reply actions
Wow, I finally created a second PR meme.
Yopu doesn’t count as that was an accident and everybody’s forgotten about it already.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 24, 2011 12:05 PM MDT up reply actions
Oh no we haven't. We trot it out when appropriate
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HAS THINGS CHANGED?
1. Eric Young (S) LF
2. Dexter Fowler (S) CF
3. Carlos Gonzalez (L) RF
4. Troy Tulowitzki® SS
5. Todd Helton (L) 1B
6. Kevin Kouzmanoff® 3B
7. Eliezer Alfonzo® C
8. Mark Ellis® 2B
9. Aaron Cook® P
Prediction----> Cargo and Tulo will both have over 30 homers this year
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
this is via baseballpress
Prediction----> Cargo and Tulo will both have over 30 homers this year
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
by Roxman4ever on Aug 24, 2011 11:42 AM MDT up reply actions
Look at that number 5 hitter
Prediction----> Cargo and Tulo will both have over 30 homers this year
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
by Roxman4ever on Aug 24, 2011 11:42 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm going with Renck's lineup
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Me too. But this is what it shows. Only way I get it ahead of time
Prediction----> Cargo and Tulo will both have over 30 homers this year
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
by Roxman4ever on Aug 24, 2011 11:45 AM MDT up reply actions
-hit 2 titanic homers in past 3 games.
-gets benched
#FireTracy
FFFFFFFFFFF.
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Aug 24, 2011 11:48 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
LHP! Give the guy a effing chance. Let him hit against a lefty.
Can’t learn if he dont play
Prediction----> Cargo and Tulo will both have over 30 homers this year
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
by Roxman4ever on Aug 24, 2011 11:50 AM MDT up reply actions
Nope, can't have those 460+ foot homers in themiddle of the lineup
No. Nope. Nosirree.
FFFFFFFFFFF.
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Aug 24, 2011 11:54 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Listen man, if we wanted to hit dingers we'd play Jonny Herrera every day.
Sometimes a manager has to play small ball.
/RafBet shakes head
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by Paleface Destro on Aug 24, 2011 12:31 PM MDT up reply actions
Ryan Rohlinger was designated for assignment to make room for Kouzmanoff on the 40.
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Hitting .247. In Triple-A. In the PCL.
I hath no care.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 24, 2011 12:09 PM MDT up reply actions
Is anyone still down for us grabbing Willingham next year?
maybe a 2/15 with some escalators? I still think he would platoon well with smith although he maybe should get some starts at first as well.
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ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME
I wanted us to get him before he signed with the A’s.
Prediction----> Cargo and Tulo will both have over 30 homers this year
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
by Roxman4ever on Aug 24, 2011 12:14 PM MDT up reply actions
Wasn't he traded to the A's? can't imagine any pending FA wants to go there in their walk year
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he may have been
But he is only on a 1 yr 6 million deal with them
Prediction----> Cargo and Tulo will both have over 30 homers this year
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
by Roxman4ever on Aug 24, 2011 12:24 PM MDT up reply actions
Yes sir
December 16, 2010: Traded by the Washington Nationals to the Oakland Athletics for Corey Brown (minors) and Henry Rodriguez.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 24, 2011 12:25 PM MDT up reply actions
At this point
I would pretty much put out the welcome mat for any RH-hitting OF who walks upright, isn’t a convicted felon, and isn’t named Spilly.
by Northsider1964 on Aug 24, 2011 12:35 PM MDT up reply actions
2:31 PM EST
rockpile dies
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2012: get ready for White Pomz!
That means it is 12:30 MST
meaning lunch time.
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