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HAMMER DON'T HURT HIM

It's the last week of August (essentially), the Colorado Rockies are sitting at 63-68, a mere 9.0 games behind the 1st place Diamondbacks and 6.5 behind the Giants. Yet this week has been somewhat crazy, with rumors flying, suddenly competent baseball being played (well, for the most part), new players being brought in, it's just crazy.

So the first lesson we've learned is that this organization seems to think they're still in it. Bringing in any sort of new talent and putting in a waiver claim on another organization's best pitcher (and another's star-caliber 3B) are tell tale signs of an organization that hasn't yet given up on the season, especially after winning their past 5 games. In the most horribly optimistic way, I see what they're driving at. In their last 10, the Diamondbacks are 4-6, as are the Giants. The Diamondbacks are on a 3-game winning streak as well, but were 1-6 in the 7 games before that. The Giants just lost to the Astros as well. This division does not look locked up to me.

The next thing we learned is that Dan O'Dowd is still going to attempt to be the crafty, opportunistic acquirer of talent, even late in what seems to be a lost season. Just because a trade/waiver claim didn't go through, the Rockies still made an offer on Wandy Rodriguez. The Astros wanted Wilin Rosario or Drew Pomeranz, and that's just silly. The Rockies countered with either Jason Hammel, Christian Friedrich, or Casey Weathers, plus eating all of Rodriguez' salary. My first reaction to that is "why on earth would any team want Casey Weathers?" Is the "former first round pick" luster still there? Jason Hammel kind of makes sense, and there's still value to Christian Friedrich, despite his setback 2011.

If Colorado had somehow acquired Wandy Rodriguez for Casey Weathers, I'd have laughed quite out loud.

But the whole Wandy thing kind of leads us into the next thing we've learned: the team recognizes the need for pitching next season. Pitching depth right now is in a good place, but there's no telling what Drew Pomeranz will be capable of, if Juan Nicasio will return to the majors, when Jorge De La Rosa will be MLB ready, what will become of Aaron Cook/Kevin Millwood, and whether or not Jason Hammel will return to being a viable starter. That leaves Colorado with a Jhoulys Chacin - Alex White rotation. No, I don't see Rogers as a part of the rotation, but given the general lack of arms, he might be. Wandy would've made September REALLY interesting in the NL West, but more importantly, he would've answered at least one question for the 2011 season.

Finally, Kevin Kouzmanoff. Acquiring Kevin Kouzmanoff and cash for a PTBNL doesn't seem like much of a move, and really, it isn't. But given the season we've seen from 3B, what's the worst that could happen? From this move, we're essentially learning that: Ian Stewart is all but done in a Rockies uniform (and yes, I know he's injured, but the fact that he's on the AAA DL kind of reinforces the point), the organization doesn't see Chris Nelson as much of anything, and something ambiguous about Ty Wigginton not being a world-beater or a season-saver.

So we've learned a bunch of things, but I'll be honest, I don't think we KNOW any more than we did before this week. My money is still on a 3rd place finish. But who knows, maybe the infamous Aberle Guarantee will hold true. But as a certain poster among us said:

These sons of [guns] are going to suck us all back in again, aren't they?

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Pitching is obviously going to be key for a run next year

look what is has done for the Brewers. But it will take more than feeble offers and hope that some other organization is going to let their star pitchers go for nothing (or Weathers, as the case may be).

by Cheeseheadroxfan on Aug 26, 2011 8:21 AM MDT reply actions  

the rockies still obviously think a lot of Weathers' arm

Which is interesting. Maybe this is another “get healthy” year for him or something?

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by black_knight101 on Aug 26, 2011 8:39 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

very good arm, very good stuff

No control

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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 26, 2011 8:45 AM MDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

It's possible that he's still building arm strength,

but he’s never really had any sort of idea where the ball is going, so maybe that’s something the organization can continue to work on. To be completely honest with you, I kind of hope he gets a cameo in the big leagues next month, maybe if nothing else to allow other teams to see what he has to offer.

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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 26, 2011 8:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

yeah i was thinking this as well.

And who knows, pitchers can improve their control out of nowhere.

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by black_knight101 on Aug 26, 2011 8:48 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

black magick was disallowed by the commissioner's office in 2009

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by Resolution on Aug 26, 2011 10:20 AM MDT up reply actions  

I don't think it's that obvious

They might just be trying to snakeoil the Mets

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by Andrew Martin on Aug 26, 2011 8:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

maybe this is just part of an extermely complicated plan to fleece the Mets

and maybe Gustafson is just not very good at ranking prospects, but read this from last year.

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by black_knight101 on Aug 26, 2011 9:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

well, remember that's last year

and that’s not taking into account the excellent amount of growth he’s shown at his age in Modesto

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by Andrew Martin on Aug 26, 2011 9:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

maybe he'll just stop walking people or something

at least we have Rex Brothers

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by black_knight101 on Aug 26, 2011 9:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

Ohhhh we're talking about Weathers

Why did I think we were talking about Arenado

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by Andrew Martin on Aug 26, 2011 9:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

haha now i see why I was so confused by your post

the rankings of positional prospects are equally interesting. It was written almost a year ago, maybe he’s due to give Irv his rankings for this year again soon

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by black_knight101 on Aug 26, 2011 9:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

yeah, Weathers took another giant step back this year

I have no idea what anyone still sees in him as far as being MLB viable. The stuff is outstanding, the walks are inexcusably high, esp for the Texas League

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by Andrew Martin on Aug 26, 2011 9:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

maybe he can be converted back into an outfielder!

lolzzzz we took a reliever 8th overall with a protected pick

/sadface

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by Resolution on Aug 26, 2011 10:18 AM MDT up reply actions  

Can we send him to Matzek's guru?

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by Junction Rox on Aug 26, 2011 10:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

true

but in hindsight, it wasn’t the best idea to hook Weathers up with Nuke LaLoosh either…

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by Resolution on Aug 26, 2011 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

Oh, I'm sure he isn't

at this point it’s more of a “what the hell, why not?” kind of idea.

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by Junction Rox on Aug 26, 2011 10:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

Jose Bautista

euthanized that adage…

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by Resolution on Aug 26, 2011 11:08 AM MDT up reply actions  

why not?

what do we have to lose at this point?

Also, not entirely serious…

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by Junction Rox on Aug 26, 2011 11:14 AM MDT up reply actions  

Some of the Rockies minor league guys

I talked to (AA and AAA) said he had the best fastball in the organization with pretty decent breaking stuff (they thought Brothers had the best slider). So there is that.

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by jrockies on Aug 26, 2011 6:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

Oh absolutely.

Mid-90s with good movement. I still have hope in him.

It’s just getting to the point where the Rockies need to bring him up in September and see if he can stick.

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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 26, 2011 7:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

for that

we will have to wait and see

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by jrockies on Aug 26, 2011 7:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

wow, casey weathers is the #20 PuRP?

that seem a little high to anyone else?

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by papality on Aug 26, 2011 11:17 AM MDT up reply actions  

I expect a correction in the next vote...

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by Junction Rox on Aug 26, 2011 11:25 AM MDT up reply actions  

Would be very surprised to see him on the list next time around

Time for some of this Rockies: "One of the beautiful things about baseball is that every once in a while you come into a situation where you want to, and where you have to, reach down and prove something." Nolan Ryan

by dsmba on Aug 26, 2011 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

without even accounting for the ubaldo trade

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by papality on Aug 26, 2011 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Time for some of this Rockies: "One of the beautiful things about baseball is that every once in a while you come into a situation where you want to, and where you have to, reach down and prove something." Nolan Ryan

by dsmba on Aug 26, 2011 12:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

I put him at #29 last time

with another draft class and the other new additions added in, there’s no way he makes me list next time, even when you figure in the guys who have moved on to the show…

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by Junction Rox on Aug 26, 2011 11:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

I think I had him around 23 (although I am a bit of an idiot)

Won’t be on my list even at 30 (I have that saved for my DSL crush Aquino)

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by dsmba on Aug 26, 2011 12:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

22 actually (and no, you're not...)

Yes, I actually bookmarked that thread….

I used 30 for my homeboy Kiel Rolling last time. I don’t think I’ll be able to do that again either…

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by Junction Rox on Aug 26, 2011 12:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

I should've book marked that thread just for the humility factor.

22 sigh…. at least its not as funny as the draft thread which was brought up recently.

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by dsmba on Aug 26, 2011 12:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

I still haven't figured out who to put at 30

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by Muzia on Aug 26, 2011 12:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

It's not even named after Delta Cleary anymore?

Poor Delta…. :-(

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by Junction Rox on Aug 26, 2011 12:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

Who?

yeah, I guess it’s still named after Delta Cleary

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by Muzia on Aug 26, 2011 12:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

Too much weight given to no. 1 pick memories

See also:

Matzek
Friedrich

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by maris61 on Aug 26, 2011 11:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

Matzek is a 20yo lefty hitting the mid high nineties with his fastball

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by TomCat009 on Aug 26, 2011 12:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

As could Randy Johnson

Just because some hard throwers didn’t develop doesn’t mean he’s doomed to failure…

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by Junction Rox on Aug 26, 2011 12:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

You won't convince Maris that Matzek is a prospect

until he goes 12-1 in AA

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by Muzia on Aug 26, 2011 12:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

If only he were a corner infielder

with 8 HR power in low A ball. THEN he’d be a prospect….

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by Junction Rox on Aug 26, 2011 12:35 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

That was my "Matzek protest" vote

an irony that seems to have been lost.

But FWIW, who had the better year?

2011 Rockies -- what the hell?

by maris61 on Aug 26, 2011 12:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

I actually like Tanos

Great OBP. But he’s also slugging .342 on the road. Eek.

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by Muzia on Aug 26, 2011 12:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

I never seriously considered him a Top 10 prospect

As explained at the time, I consider ranking a prospect based solely on draft-day hype to be a faulty ranking method. Same for picking someone based purely on batting avg. (or HR or any offensive stat). So I made a Top 10 pick that I considered equally ridiculous to ranking Matzek no. 1.

Go back a couple of years & Weathers/Friedrich had the same high rankings as Matzek. Their minor league performances have gradually brought reality to their rankings.

There is the off-chance that Matzek will be the next “Sandy Koufax Story” (wild lefty with great speed acquires control in late 20s & becomes an ace). It’s the only reason I’d keep him in the Top 30 at all.

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by maris61 on Aug 26, 2011 12:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

Go back a couple of years & Weathers/Friedrich had the same high rankings as Matzek. Their minor league performances have gradually brought reality to their rankings.

I think you mean injuries. If not for those injuries, you’re right that they wouldn’t be on the PuRPs list.

They would be on the MLB roster.

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by Muzia on Aug 26, 2011 12:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

Not so sure.

Weathers (like Matzek) never showed good control.

Friedrich wasn’t a speed demon to start with, so I’m not sure his injury history has made that much difference. Almost every pitcher has to overcome injuries in his career. I just think Frierich’s ceiling hasn’t grown since college, which is a disappointment.

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by maris61 on Aug 26, 2011 12:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

The last Sandy Koufax story was

Randy Johnson, so does that mean Matzek is the next “Randy Johnson Story?”

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by jrockies on Aug 26, 2011 6:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

how randy johnson (and schilling, for that matter)

pitched so well in arizona without a humidor for so many years is just astonishing, given our struggles with pitching

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by papality on Aug 26, 2011 6:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

They were just good

doesn’t matter how you put it. Johnson’s line against the Rockies:

29 games (19-8)
211.1 IP
827 PA
2.47 ERA
6 CG
.202 BA
251 K
43 BB
17 HR

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by jrockies on Aug 26, 2011 7:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

that's almost exactly his 162 game average

17-9
3.26 ERA
34 GS
6CG
2SO
230 IP
88BB
271K
23HR

i can’t wait to see how many votes he gets. and schilling damn well better get in, too

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by papality on Aug 26, 2011 7:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think we have a different definition of Purp...

Because I really don’t care who had a better year. A guy who can throw 97 MPH at 20 years old is a better bet to make the big leagues than a 1B who can’t hit 10 HR at low A. If we were voting on who is more valuable in producing MiLB wins in 2011, that’s a whole different concept. If we’re voting on who are the best prospects to become contributing MLB players, Matzek still has the tools to do that, and very successfully. A lot of guys having good MiLB years just don’t, and never will…

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by Junction Rox on Aug 26, 2011 12:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

he's 3-2 with a 3.51 ERA since returning to Asheville.

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by Muzia on Aug 26, 2011 12:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

But still walking batters like crazy

If I had to vote again today, I’d move him from from 30 to about 25 on my list based on the chance that his HS pitching coach fixed him.

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by maris61 on Aug 26, 2011 12:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

5.9 H/9, 10.76 K/9, 1 HR allowed…

He’s walked three or less batters in three of his last six starts. There is absolutely improvement happening here.

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by Muzia on Aug 26, 2011 12:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hope you're right.

But I doubt he’s going to make it. There SHOULD be improvement for any player with talent repeating Low A ball.

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by maris61 on Aug 26, 2011 12:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

We're not going to convince each other of anything here

You and I have completely different ways of evaluating minor leaguers, and that’s perfectly fine. We both get just one vote.

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by Muzia on Aug 26, 2011 12:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Just glad I get to vote for Pomeranz this time around.

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by maris61 on Aug 26, 2011 12:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

Even if it's with shitty peripherals.

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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 26, 2011 1:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm personally lokking forward to next year....

    That is if DOD gets off the dime and and really fills two of the offenses’ holes; institutes a longterm plan for Todd’s replacement. I further need to see inproved evidence of scouting and instruction at all levels
   
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by Oldfoagie on Aug 26, 2011 8:22 AM MDT reply actions  

I think we're far enough along in the season

to say we’re 9 and 6 games back in the loss column to the dbacks and giants. We’ll all play 162 games so there’s no reason to mention the halves.

by osierra11 on Aug 26, 2011 8:25 AM MDT reply actions  

Pom

If we continue to be in the dogfight in the next few weeks could we see a rehab start for Pom in Modesto playoffs? Thinking he’s not likely to be a September call up, but if you’re in it to end the season you have to try and get your ace card in there right?

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by remyrems on Aug 26, 2011 8:28 AM MDT reply actions  

For all the SABRites there is an article about context on Fangraphs....

    I’m no good at the linky thing; the article title is Context Rules All. It specificly mentions Cargo’s home / road splits.

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by Oldfoagie on Aug 26, 2011 8:39 AM MDT reply actions  

In other news

I just bought my first baseball!

by biondino on Aug 26, 2011 8:39 AM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Now you need to learn how to grip it. :-)

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by Oldfoagie on Aug 26, 2011 8:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

Well yes

I am just showing it to all y’all! Though I did have a go at a knuckler earlier :)

by biondino on Aug 26, 2011 8:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

Can you throw a curve?

I hear the Rockies are looking for some arms.

by Cheeseheadroxfan on Aug 26, 2011 8:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

Watch out Mariano

THE biondino is out for you!

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by SDcat09 on Aug 26, 2011 8:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

Are you also pounding the strike zone?

And in the best shape of your life? If so, you at least have the jargon down pat.

by Northsider1964 on Aug 26, 2011 8:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

"Just want to make a contribution to the

team’s success"

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by SDcat09 on Aug 26, 2011 8:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

I've been feeling a little stiffness in my shoulder

But don’t worry, I shall pitch through it until June, going 1-8 with a 6.54 ERA, before my arm falls off in the second inning of a blowout loss against the Giants.

by biondino on Aug 26, 2011 8:48 AM MDT up reply actions   2 recs

He should start with both the two seam (sinker) and four seam (riser) fastballs and work from there.

    Be like Maddux and control all four corners of the strike zone and learn how to change speeds. Then learn the fancy stuff. A cutter is easy to fall in love with. Just makes sure you throw the four seamer enough to not over develope one side of the wrist.

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by Oldfoagie on Aug 26, 2011 8:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the advice, Foagie!

Though being able to throw the ball 60 feet and have it roughly approximate a strike zone is enough to be starting with. I have literally never thrown a baseball.

by biondino on Aug 26, 2011 9:08 AM MDT up reply actions  

Hahahaha!

I will, and I’ll take a video of it :)

In the meantime, here’s my previous cricketing vid in case anyone missed it:

by biondino on Aug 26, 2011 9:14 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

GIVE THAT MAN THE 10000 DOLLARS!

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by hotdoglady on Aug 26, 2011 9:17 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

well the good news is, if you do bowl

that may help reduce the risk of an elbow injury since you know… you don’t bend your elbow when you throw…

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by Resolution on Aug 26, 2011 10:03 AM MDT up reply actions  

Anytime.

    Read Lau and counterpoint with Williams and Carew for hitting therory. I’ll let a pitcher recommend pitching books.

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by Oldfoagie on Aug 26, 2011 9:12 AM MDT up reply actions  

Wait, you bought that it in a sporting goods store

in London??? They allow those to be sold in the UK?! I figured the cricketeers would have them banned or something.

That said, YAY!!!

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by SDcat09 on Aug 26, 2011 8:43 AM MDT up reply actions  

I do have two cricket balls too

Neither have been used in anger. I have a baseball bat at home – I thinik it’s kid sized, which makes sense as I’ve had it or at least 25 years – “Sandlot” brand, if that means anything? Anyway, if I can get the gf to throw me BP – she has a 89-92mph 2-seamer and a wicked eephus – then I might actually hit a baseball with a baseball bat for the first time in my life!

by biondino on Aug 26, 2011 8:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

Are you in the UK?

There are baseball leagues over there. I played in one when I lived there. If you are interested in playing, you should check it out.

by webgem14 on Aug 26, 2011 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'm 37 and not very athletic - I don't think I'd be a boon to any team!

Though I did think seriously about it (well, softball) last summer, just never got round to it. Maybe next year.

by biondino on Aug 26, 2011 4:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

awww you even named the ball too!

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by Resolution on Aug 26, 2011 10:09 AM MDT up reply actions  

If he hits it somewhere he can't find it

will he cry out, “WILLLLLLSOOOOOONNN!”?

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by SDcat09 on Aug 26, 2011 10:14 AM MDT up reply actions  

Don't forget the eephus pitch...

it makes your baseball look like it’s going 105 mph. ;-)

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by Roxman on Aug 26, 2011 10:25 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

*fastball

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by Roxman on Aug 26, 2011 10:28 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Following our 17-game losing Sunday streak

I read the following post by St Dingleberry at MCC which tickled me:

The streak lives. 11 in a row and counting.
The first game of our last 11 series:
7/22 Milwaukee lost 4-2
7/26 @Philly lost 7-2
7/29 @Cincy lost 4-3
8/1 Arizona lost 5-2
8/4 Philly lost 3-0
8/8 Pittsburgh lost 5-0
8/12 @Florida lost 2-1
8/15 @Atlanta lost 5-4
8/19 @Houston lost 6-0
8/23 San Diego lost 7-5
8/26 Houston lost 3-1

by biondino on Aug 26, 2011 8:41 AM MDT reply actions  

Wow The Rockies have now used 27 pitchers this year

by comparison the Giants have used 15

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by TomCat009 on Aug 26, 2011 8:48 AM MDT reply actions  

shows how bad the pitching has been

The giants have been incredibly unlucky with injuries this year.

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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 26, 2011 8:50 AM MDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

But obviously, mostly with position players.

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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 26, 2011 8:52 AM MDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

Hey, Muzia has a shot!

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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 26, 2011 8:52 AM MDT reply actions  

Ohh he is so in

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by TomCat009 on Aug 26, 2011 8:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

besides she was getting a bit old for Jetes

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by TomCat009 on Aug 26, 2011 8:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

At least someone is smart enough

Not to cling to Jeter for way too long.

Minka for GM!

by Northsider1964 on Aug 26, 2011 8:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

Wait, I thought they got married already?

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by SDcat09 on Aug 26, 2011 9:10 AM MDT up reply actions  

YEAHHHHHH

wait, I’m pretty happy right now.

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by Muzia on Aug 26, 2011 9:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

That's a good thing

because Minka will be mine….

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by Junction Rox on Aug 26, 2011 9:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

are you saying derek jeter's dating life is off topic?

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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 26, 2011 9:02 AM MDT up reply actions  

At least he's not Max Mosly!

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by Oldfoagie on Aug 26, 2011 9:08 AM MDT up reply actions  

Hah!

I prefer Mosely tbh. He’s a filthy old fascist but he’s more or less honest and has at least a passing interest in the sport rather than (purely) his pocket.

by biondino on Aug 26, 2011 9:10 AM MDT up reply actions  

Oh I dunno about that.

Jeter is a good looking man.

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by SDcat09 on Aug 26, 2011 9:10 AM MDT up reply actions  

Wrong.

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by hotdoglady on Aug 26, 2011 9:11 AM MDT up reply actions  

He doesn't hurt the HAR chart .

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by SDcat09 on Aug 26, 2011 9:12 AM MDT up reply actions  

He hurts my face

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by hotdoglady on Aug 26, 2011 9:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

Heh.

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by SDcat09 on Aug 26, 2011 9:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

What? I think he has nice eyes

Sheesh. I didn’t say I wanted to go out with him, just saying he’s good looking. I mean he’s no Huston Street but he’s not ugly.

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by SDcat09 on Aug 26, 2011 9:17 AM MDT up reply actions  

He's not sexy or hot. Just nice looking.

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by SDcat09 on Aug 26, 2011 9:17 AM MDT up reply actions  

what is that for?

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by TomCat009 on Aug 26, 2011 9:02 AM MDT up reply actions  

never heard of it

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by TomCat009 on Aug 26, 2011 9:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

so what do you think about the crusades?

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by TomCat009 on Aug 26, 2011 9:23 AM MDT up reply actions  

Monumental waste of time and money...

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by Oldfoagie on Aug 26, 2011 9:25 AM MDT up reply actions  

You know I never use the OT.

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by Oldfoagie on Aug 26, 2011 9:28 AM MDT up reply actions  

I know; I could not Forgo throwing you the breaking pitch! :-)

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by Oldfoagie on Aug 26, 2011 9:39 AM MDT up reply actions  

the what?

I only know things that are baseball. Not things that aren’t baseball.

If by Crusades you mean the David Wright Waiver Claim

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by Andrew Martin on Aug 26, 2011 9:25 AM MDT up reply actions  

...

then I think it’s even more “testing the water” than the Wandy deal.

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by Andrew Martin on Aug 26, 2011 9:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yo, apparently,

David Wright cleared waivers

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by Resolution on Aug 26, 2011 9:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

No claim was awarded though

meaning no one filed a claim. Right?

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by Muzia on Aug 26, 2011 10:04 AM MDT up reply actions  

i they pulled him back

would that still count as clearing waivers?

by Rosenort on Aug 26, 2011 10:18 AM MDT up reply actions  

Nope

we have conflicting stories, boys and girls

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by Andrew Martin on Aug 26, 2011 10:35 AM MDT up reply actions  

if he did in fact clear waivers

then it’s just as it was before Aug 1st and a trade can be worked out with any team.

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by Resolution on Aug 26, 2011 10:05 AM MDT up reply actions  

Kidding, Kidding Kidding!!!

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by TomCat009 on Aug 26, 2011 9:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

So, just like the Rockies..

The Astros have lost 17 of their last 18 Sunday games.

Lol.

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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 26, 2011 9:06 AM MDT reply actions  

And includes a current 13-game losing streak on Sundays.

Whew. I thought the Rockies were the only weird, stupid team in MLB.

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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 26, 2011 9:07 AM MDT up reply actions  

With them being 40 or so games under it makes a lot more sense

we would be .500 if we were even decent on Sunday

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by TomCat009 on Aug 26, 2011 9:22 AM MDT up reply actions  

heck,

the rockies would be better off if they were just .500 in the games I’ve gone to.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 26, 2011 9:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

they're .667 in the games I've gone to this year!

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by Resolution on Aug 26, 2011 10:08 AM MDT up reply actions  

pics or it didn't happen

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by Resolution on Aug 26, 2011 10:10 AM MDT up reply actions  

even when Rogers is pitching?

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by Muzia on Aug 26, 2011 10:10 AM MDT up reply actions  

Of course

because Ubaldo still has Rockies 2011 hangover.

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by SDcat09 on Aug 26, 2011 9:29 AM MDT up reply actions  

I hope they both dominate

the better players look when they leave here the more we will get for them.

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by TomCat009 on Aug 26, 2011 9:32 AM MDT up reply actions  

I am forever going to wonder

why we converted Paulino back into a reliever so quickly.

by Shoemaker on Aug 26, 2011 10:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

in fairness coming off two consecutive years of being #2 in all MLB in pitcher WAR

with a rotation that looked to be 6-7 deep with a 1-2-3 that I would have felt comfortable with in any playoff series, with our recent success with Belisle they most likely saw Paulino as a potentially dominant bullpen piece.

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by TomCat009 on Aug 26, 2011 10:35 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but Houston had jerked him back and forth between the two,

and he’s been quite good as a starter and TERRIBLE as a reliever.

Considering I remember him dominating us at least two times as a starter, I find it odd that Tracy/O’Dowd showed absolutely NO patience with him.

Would have been nice to have instead of the Greg Reynolds/Alan Johnson/Aaron Cook/Kevin Millwood/Esmil Rogers parade. Oh well, hindsight and all that.

by Shoemaker on Aug 26, 2011 10:37 AM MDT up reply actions  

Not saying it was a good idea just defensible

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by TomCat009 on Aug 26, 2011 10:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

True, I can sort of understand that reasoning,

though I’m not sure I buy anyone beyond Rogers qualifying as “comfortable” depth.

by Shoemaker on Aug 26, 2011 10:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

he had a 94 inning stint in Tulsa with a 2.51FIP

and had a 3.44FIP in last years stint here. As a 5th starter he would be a pretty good option.

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by TomCat009 on Aug 26, 2011 11:00 AM MDT up reply actions  

Are those Rogers' statistics?

Yeah, I was saying he’s definitely quality depth, but I didn’t buy anyone past him (Reynolds/Mortensen/Johnson) as depth that would make the organization comfortable enough to convert Paulino.

Sorry, I didn’t word it very well.

by Shoemaker on Aug 26, 2011 11:02 AM MDT up reply actions  

yeah but now you are getting into 7th, 8th, and 9th starters

Make Paulino a starter and now you have to move either Hammels or Cook to the bullpen. Hammel was a 7+ WAR pitcher in 2009/2010 Cook is the all-time franchise wins leader and is making 10+ million a year. If Paulino had even one option left he would be our 5th starter right now

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by TomCat009 on Aug 26, 2011 11:13 AM MDT up reply actions  

Both throw no hit shut outs thru nine and may the best bullpen win.

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by Oldfoagie on Aug 26, 2011 9:45 AM MDT reply actions  

so then KC

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by TomCat009 on Aug 26, 2011 9:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

You like Cleveland's bullpen more than KC?

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by TomCat009 on Aug 26, 2011 10:13 AM MDT up reply actions  

Holland, Crow, Wood, Coleman and Collins with Soria at the back end?

I like Pestano a lot, Smith, Perez are great pieces but Perez scares the crap out of me. plus that entire BP is do some serious xFIP/ERA regression

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by TomCat009 on Aug 26, 2011 10:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

Fair but that is colored by a couple players in the KC Bullpen like Soria

who had a really bad stretch. I like xFIP a lot more for relievers and both bullpens have a sub 3 xFIP pitcher(Pestano,Holland) and 4 other sub 4 xFIP guys both are pretty even to me so I would rather have a bullpen with Joaquin Soria at the back end than one with Chris Perez

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by TomCat009 on Aug 26, 2011 11:07 AM MDT up reply actions  

That's true, the Mexicutioner is pretty Boss

But one has to wonder about that bad stretch.

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by Andrew Martin on Aug 26, 2011 11:09 AM MDT up reply actions  

also dude

Mexicutioner is not the preferred nomenclature.

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by Resolution on Aug 26, 2011 11:10 AM MDT up reply actions  

north americutioner

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by papality on Aug 26, 2011 11:11 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

El Matador?

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by TomCat009 on Aug 26, 2011 11:13 AM MDT up reply actions  

tell that to KC fans and the KC players

oh my, he changed it though to something else

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by Andrew Martin on Aug 26, 2011 11:14 AM MDT up reply actions  

drug cartels ruin it for everyone else!

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by Resolution on Aug 26, 2011 11:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

That BLS article reminded me just how incredible Tulo's been in the second half.
Since the All-Star break, Tulo has hit .387/.454/.673 with 10 homers and 32 RBIs

I mean, I knew he’d been really good, but holy moly.

Every time I bitch about him not being clutch or whatever I need to step back, look at that line, and remind myself how happy I am he’s on our team.

by Shoemaker on Aug 26, 2011 10:35 AM MDT reply actions  

Cargo has been excellent as well

posting these lines since May 1st
May wOBA .398 BABIP .278
June wOBA .406 BABIP .442
July wOBA .429 BABIP .286
August wOBA .436 BABIP .241

June is his only month this year with a BABIP over .300 his post all-star triple slash
is .278/.364/.629 with a .239 BABIP!!!!

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by TomCat009 on Aug 26, 2011 10:56 AM MDT reply actions  

that's ridiculous

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by Muzia on Aug 26, 2011 11:00 AM MDT up reply actions  

suck it non-believers

that extension was a smart friggin’ move!!

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by Resolution on Aug 26, 2011 11:09 AM MDT up reply actions  

i just z'd right past it

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by papality on Aug 26, 2011 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions  

No kidding I really don't get the people

who are worried about paying him through his age 31 season. If he can make his road numbers slowly come up to his home numbers he might become a HOF player. Then again Wade Boggs had a
home .354/.443/.491 362 doubles
road .302/.387 .395 216 doubles and he made the first ballot

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by TomCat009 on Aug 26, 2011 11:29 AM MDT up reply actions  

wade boggs is an odd person to nitpick about their HOF worthiness

he’s about as solid as they come

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by papality on Aug 26, 2011 11:31 AM MDT up reply actions  

Solid yes but that doubles total screams home field advantage

also should tell you to draft Agon in leagues that count XBH. I think Boggs was HOF worthy I just think the 150 point OPS difference tells you he owes a lot of that worthiness to Fenway.

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by TomCat009 on Aug 26, 2011 11:36 AM MDT up reply actions  

true, and the difference between his fenway and yankee stadium numbers is shocking as well

but i think he’s the kind of guy who would have taken good advantage of whatever park was his home, as his BABIP splits demonstrate.

fun fact: oakland is an awful, awful place to hit: wade boggs put up a .248 BABIP there in almost 400 PAs

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by papality on Aug 26, 2011 11:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

Weird that Rickey did so much there

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by TomCat009 on Aug 26, 2011 11:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

weird that he had 4 seperate stints there

some serious stockholm syndrome

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by papality on Aug 26, 2011 11:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

Well any extension of anyone is a fair concern

but a 24 who has 6.6 WAR is as good a bet to be worth the money as anyone is,

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by TomCat009 on Aug 26, 2011 11:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'm not even worried about the plate discipline, etc

it’s the fact that he’s such a blatant Coors hitter at this point.

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by Andrew Martin on Aug 26, 2011 11:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

so was everyone early in their career

it’s taken until now for tulo to even out

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by papality on Aug 26, 2011 11:43 AM MDT up reply actions  

every rockie, not everyone period

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by papality on Aug 26, 2011 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

Even Larry Walker or Jeff Cirillo had

big road drops their first year here.

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by TomCat009 on Aug 26, 2011 11:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

the org needs to devote resources to

develop some sort of catalytic process for this…

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by Resolution on Aug 26, 2011 11:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

perhaps some sort of person who could instruct the every day players in the finer points of hitting

coach them, if you will

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by papality on Aug 26, 2011 11:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

hah

but it’s not that simple.

Think about how fine-tuned the muscle-memory, the pitch-recognition, and the discipline has to be to hit a baseball squarely.

Then on the road, throw that off not only by a small amount, but consider that the pitches that batters are most likely to see are impacted off the most, and this is the result.

There should be some way to speed up the adjustments either in terms of a players career or in terms of roadtrips. If the org can work out a solution, I bet it costs less than a first-round signing bonus.

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by Resolution on Aug 26, 2011 12:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

I've been thinking this for years now.

But they haven’t done anything. Perhaps they could build a pressure chamber type batting cage somewhere so that the players could get used to thin air before heading out on a road trip.

by RoxnSox09 on Aug 26, 2011 12:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

I assume you mean thick air

and yea, it’s definitely an interesting question.

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by Resolution on Aug 26, 2011 1:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

Right, thick.

The other possibility I thought of was using lighter baseballs in the cages they have now. They’d have to be careful with that, though, because you know some Giants announcer would love to spread rumors that the Rockies were using juiced balls.

by RoxnSox09 on Aug 26, 2011 1:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

what would lighter baseball's accomplish?

wouldn’t just move faster and still not break as much in the thin air?

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by Resolution on Aug 26, 2011 1:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

No.

The ball moves less at altitude because the aerodynamic forces are smaller, due to less dense air. If you decrease the mass of the ball, the acceleration of the ball will increase (F = m*a). You would have to adjust the pitching machines so that the initial velocity was the same, but you should be able to adjust it to get the same amount of break that you would see at sea level.

by RoxnSox09 on Aug 26, 2011 1:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

But how do you create higher molecule air at mile high altitude?

What if you had a prospect or a retired veteran travel with the team that wasn’t on the roster that would pitch curve balls or sinkers during away batting practice to get the batters eye used to seeing the break?

Get well soon Juan.

by Thnikkaman on Aug 26, 2011 1:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well, changing the balls wouldn't work for live BP

because then the person throwing the ball would indeed end up throwing it faster. It would only work with a machine pitching the ball, and I don’t know if the team even uses a system like that. The only way to change the air would be to have a special room that was pressurized.

by RoxnSox09 on Aug 26, 2011 1:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

But if you're refferring to having someone throw more like a game situation

when they’re on the road, I think that would be good too. They just have to do something to address the issue.

by RoxnSox09 on Aug 26, 2011 1:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

but fastballs

are impacted the most by the change in air density and pitchers throw fastballs anywhere between 50 and 60% of the time – so that’s where you’ll get your most bang for the buck

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by Resolution on Aug 26, 2011 3:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

What I mean is that if you use a pitching machine

then you can decrease the mass of the baseball, but also adjust the force that the pitching machine exerts on the baseball. This way, you can get any initial velocity you want, but because of the lower mass the ball will break like a ball at sea level.

by RoxnSox09 on Aug 26, 2011 3:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

In thinking about it more

I think I see where you’re coming from here.

Also my comment was just to address Thnikkaman’s comment since I think it would be fastballs that the hitters would benefit most from seeing from this hypothetical pitching machine.

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by Resolution on Aug 26, 2011 7:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

Holliday's were

~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~

by TomCat009 on Aug 26, 2011 7:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

We will see when the season ends what his numbers look like

but I think his road numbers will get up to league average

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by TomCat009 on Aug 26, 2011 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

I mean,

I’m all for hyping up CarGo as not some ‘no plate discipline’, ‘Coors hitter’ player.

But I’ve learned never to compare anyone to Saint Boggs. It’s not fair to both Boggs and the would-be hopeful…

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by Resolution on Aug 26, 2011 11:32 AM MDT up reply actions  

Let's remember the facts though

Cargo is like twice the offensive producer at Coors than he is on the road.

He’s Dante Bichette + fielding.

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by Andrew Martin on Aug 26, 2011 11:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

Except Cargo is awesome and left handed

Time for some of this Rockies: "One of the beautiful things about baseball is that every once in a while you come into a situation where you want to, and where you have to, reach down and prove something." Nolan Ryan

by dsmba on Aug 26, 2011 11:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

bichette never had our tacos right here

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by papality on Aug 26, 2011 11:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

no but

bichette happens.

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by hotdoglady on Aug 26, 2011 11:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

this is a key point

I concede the entire discussion ;-)

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by Andrew Martin on Aug 26, 2011 3:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm still thinking

some of that split is anomalous. He’s hitting better on the road this year but has like a .260 babip.

Going forward I feel like while he may have strong splits, they won’t be so extreme.

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by Resolution on Aug 26, 2011 11:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

I don't have the time to look

but xBABIP explorations would be someone interesting for Cargo’s H/R splits

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by Andrew Martin on Aug 26, 2011 3:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

Line drive rates are 18.7% and 15.6%

at home and road, respectively. Using my highly complex method of estimation, that should leave his BABIPs at .291 and .278. The split should probably be a little higher than that. So .310/.260 seems about right.

The bigger issue is his home/road K rate.

by webgem14 on Aug 26, 2011 4:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

uh oh

someone’s making a quick and dirty fanpost!

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by Resolution on Aug 26, 2011 4:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

oh haha

i read it as the first number was BABIP for some reason… my mind was like, WHAT??

i fixed it now, though

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by papality on Aug 26, 2011 11:10 AM MDT up reply actions  

The only downside

is that is walk rate is still a little meh once you factor out intentional walks – which puts it at something like 7.6% of PA’s.

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by Resolution on Aug 26, 2011 11:25 AM MDT up reply actions  

oh it definitely is

I just needed the reality check because I get too stoked when I see his bb rate over 9%

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by Resolution on Aug 26, 2011 1:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

wright

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by papality on Aug 26, 2011 12:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ok

Thanks. Didn’t realize we made a claim on him.

by webgem14 on Aug 26, 2011 12:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

There seems to be some dispute about that

Posts above indicate he cleared waivers. That seems hard to believe … that in this year of weak overall 3B production, no one would claim Wright.

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by maris61 on Aug 26, 2011 12:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

yoo

maybe it’s the classic ‘no one asks the hottest girl in school to the dance’ phenomenon. Every team assumed they wouldn’t actually get the claim…

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by Resolution on Aug 26, 2011 12:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

still costs you nothing to try

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by Muzia on Aug 26, 2011 12:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

uhhh

all the other GM’s laugh at you when the team withdraws before a deal is even considered dude. Then you get a swirly the next day.

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by Resolution on Aug 26, 2011 12:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

Damn! Baseball is rough!

Do they still do the can of paint above the door at the Winter Meetings?

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by Muzia on Aug 26, 2011 12:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

every door

every year.

You say it costs nothing Muzia. I say you can’t put a price on that kind of emotional damage.

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by Resolution on Aug 26, 2011 1:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

My therapist says the price is $180 per hour

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by Junction Rox on Aug 26, 2011 1:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

hour? you wish

45 minutes! 50 if you’re lucky!

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by Resolution on Aug 26, 2011 1:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

My therapist is cheap

not very good, though…

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by Junction Rox on Aug 26, 2011 1:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

Rockies are featured heavily on page 3

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by Muzia on Aug 26, 2011 1:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

Giants top pitching prospect Eric Surkamp makes him MLB debut on Saturday.

Great AA numbers, but not more than a likely #3 or #4.

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by Muzia on Aug 26, 2011 1:41 PM MDT reply actions  

Renck tweets about Seth Smith
I told Seth Smith Wednesday that Twitter needed advil when he didn’t start Wednesday. He laughed. He clearly wants to play.
He was unaware that there was a freeSethSmith movement. I told him just hack my email. It’s alive and well

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by SDcat09 on Aug 26, 2011 1:49 PM MDT reply actions  

I highly reccomend Jeff Sullivans article today

Because poking fun at pitchers facial expressions never grows old. Funniest baseball article I’ve read in awhile

http://mlb.sbnation.com/2011/8/26/2385552/classifying-mlbs-closer-mentalities

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by SurfaceThought on Aug 26, 2011 2:29 PM MDT reply actions  

Jeff Passan’s 25 Baseball Oddities from this season.

Todd Helton’s LD rate is featured at #14

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by Muzia on Aug 26, 2011 2:59 PM MDT reply actions  

iawt<3

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by SDcat09 on Aug 26, 2011 4:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

After I get through my 50+ pages of quotes

I’m going to go through and post a comment every day from the back of a Todd Helton card (this could take 2-3 years by itself).

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by jrockies on Aug 26, 2011 6:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

Renck tweets
Street and Lindstrom activated. Romero and Roenicke out..

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by SDcat09 on Aug 26, 2011 4:47 PM MDT reply actions  

Rob Neyer must be going to the Giants game tonight.

He tweeted a photo of himself on Caltrain. Which I ride every day and know like the back of my hand. If I worked late and caught a Giants train, I could stalk him. But there’s no way I’m doing that.

by holly96 on Aug 26, 2011 4:48 PM MDT reply actions  

You make it seem like a bad thing

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by SDcat09 on Aug 26, 2011 4:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

Oh, I would totally do it if it didn't mean staying way later and dealing with post-game Giants fans.

Like, if I could have somehow figured out which train he was on coming and and could have been at the train station that soon, I would have done it.

by holly96 on Aug 26, 2011 4:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

I met Rob

at the SABR convention this year.

by webgem14 on Aug 26, 2011 5:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

Rox lineup per Alanna

http://t.co/TeOvyaT

Yeah needs more Iannetta

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by SDcat09 on Aug 26, 2011 4:49 PM MDT reply actions  

And less Kouzmanoff

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by free7694 on Aug 26, 2011 4:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

yeah well, it's him or Wiggy

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by SDcat09 on Aug 26, 2011 4:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, Kouz has only had one game.

I’m totally fine with him being in there.

by holly96 on Aug 26, 2011 4:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

the more PAs people not named ty wigginton get for this team, the better

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by papality on Aug 26, 2011 5:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

He hit a line drive with RISP on Wednesday!

Sure, it was right at Barmes, but considering Wigginton’s results in the same game with runners on….give Kouz a shot.

by Shoemaker on Aug 26, 2011 5:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

OTish- baseball books

Hi everyone, I am in a history capstone finishing my college career and I need some help. My capstone I have to pick a historian and write a paper on him. I am looking for a good baseball historian/book. Any ideas? Thanks!

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Doris Kearns Goodwin

Is a presidential historian and baseball junkie.

by coffeeis4closersonly on Aug 26, 2011 5:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

...and a plagiarist.

"Surgeons have determined that doing the wave will, yes, will cause tears to the suprapinatus muscle and the infraspinatus muscle from the throwing of an individual's arms rapidly into the air. In addition, any children doing the wave will be sold to the circus. Do NOT do the wave in the ballpark. Doing the wave is safe at pro football games and Miley Cyrus concerts.
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by RdRnnr on Aug 26, 2011 6:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Say what?

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by SDcat09 on Aug 26, 2011 6:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

She "failed to properly attribute" section of another's work in at least one of her books.

Wikipedia gives a high level overview.

The accusations originally came from The Weekly Standard (evil right-wing source), but were also backed by Timothy Noah at Slate (evil left-wing source).

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by RdRnnr on Aug 26, 2011 6:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

Not that any of this makes her a bad choice.

The book “Wait ’till Next Year” deals with her relationship to baseball.

Russ may want to chime in on the whole debate as well…

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by RdRnnr on Aug 26, 2011 6:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

Here is written version

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im_armstrong Jim Armstrong
by TroyRenck
rox lineup….young lf…fowler cf…cargo rf…tulo ss….helton 1b….alfonzo c..kouz 3b….ellis 2b…rogers p

Still needs more Iannetta

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by SDcat09 on Aug 26, 2011 4:54 PM MDT reply actions  

You don't get what?

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by SDcat09 on Aug 26, 2011 4:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

/jimtracylogic

We’ve been dealing with it for years now, it shouldn’t surprise anyone right now.

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by Muzia on Aug 26, 2011 4:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

You know, it actually does continue to amaze me

I get fooled by him. He sucks me in with the occasional awesome lineup and then well. you know.

But I will still be surprised, annoyed and complain about it.

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by SDcat09 on Aug 26, 2011 5:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

Oh, yeah, me neither

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by SDcat09 on Aug 26, 2011 5:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

I have a feeling it has something to do with tomorrow being a day game.

Remember, Alfonzo played last Friday, as well, and then Iannetta on Saturday. Had we not had the 13 inning game, I think we would have had CDI on the Sunday game. I think it’s the same situation this weekend. Both Saturday and Sunday are day games. So play Alfonzo today, and CDI can do both tomorrow and Sunday.

by holly96 on Aug 26, 2011 5:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, well.

I’m still gonna harumph

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by SDcat09 on Aug 26, 2011 5:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

I bet Alfonzo starts on Sunday

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by Muzia on Aug 26, 2011 5:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

This would not surprise me at all

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by Junction Rox on Aug 26, 2011 5:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

since being called up, Alfonzo has started 40% of games.

let’s compare their Augusts:

Iannetta: 15 H (11 singles, 4 doubles) and 8 RBI in 15 games, for a .381 wOBA

Alfonzo: 8 H (7 singles, 1 double) and 2 RBI in 11 games, for a .242 wOBA.

Unreal. Indefensible.

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by Muzia on Aug 26, 2011 5:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

but alfonzo hit a grand slam in petco

what has that douche iannetta done, other than draw walks?

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by papality on Aug 26, 2011 5:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

It's really mystifyin g

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by SDcat09 on Aug 26, 2011 5:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

like i seriously think tracy has a personal issue with him

because he handles the catchers in just the most ridiculous way

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by papality on Aug 26, 2011 5:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

It is literally indefensible.

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by Muzia on Aug 26, 2011 5:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

I wonder if it has more to do with Alfonzo.

I don’t remember Morales getting as many starts (but it’s been awhile, so I could be wrong). So either he likes Alfonzo way more than he liked Morales or he changed his mind on something about Iannetta part way through the season.

But either way, the catcher issues on this team have beaten me down to the point that I just don’t care as much as maybe I should anymore.

by holly96 on Aug 26, 2011 5:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I was gonna mention.

Morales is the one catcher that Tracy has actually treated like a backup.

Everyone else gets to platoon with Iannetta, no matter how terrible.

Alfonzo is honestly making me miss Matt Pagnozzi; at least he could defend (and gave the gynocracy something to admire). Somehow I knew that when we called Alfonzo up for no real reason Tracy would play him a stupid amount of the time.

by Shoemaker on Aug 26, 2011 5:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

I will gladly think otherwise...

but sometimes if it walks like a duck…etc.

by butterfly on Aug 26, 2011 6:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

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by Muzia on Aug 26, 2011 6:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

I guess I just have a hard time ascribing lineup decisions

to personal conflicts unless we have some inkling of such (not including the lineup decisions themselves). It could be personal, it might not. I really don’t know. But I prefer to give the benefit of the doubt.

by holly96 on Aug 26, 2011 6:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

Jim Tracy's favorite quality in a starting catcher

is that they should have a certain “Not-being-Chris-Iannetta-ness” about them.

by Shoemaker on Aug 26, 2011 5:43 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

After awhile, you'd think Chris would start getting a complex

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by SDcat09 on Aug 26, 2011 5:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

start?

Torrealba, Olivo, Alfonzo…the cycle continues.

We just need a non-latin catcher…

/checks PuRPS list

/sees Rosario

Damn.

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by Muzia on Aug 26, 2011 5:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

but he still wont play everyday

Prediction----> Cargo and Tulo will both have over 30 homers this year
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by Roxman4ever on Aug 26, 2011 5:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

catchers shouldn't play every day

but they should still play more frequently than iannetta does

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by papality on Aug 26, 2011 6:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

It's for the stupidest reasons, too.

“Alfonzo has taken really quality at-bats while he’s been with us.”

Yeah, you know who never takes a quality at-bat? The guy with the highest walk rate on the team.

by Shoemaker on Aug 26, 2011 5:52 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Honest to God.

You said it.

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by SDcat09 on Aug 26, 2011 5:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

"Iannetta"

FFFFFFFFFFF.

/it is a new beginning, right?

by The Lodo Magic Man on Aug 26, 2011 5:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

This makes sense, but....

Yesterday was on off day. He didn’t play on wednesday. So he’s coming in with two full days rest. I’m all for giving players rest (especially catchers), but given the circumstances I think he could manage a day game tomorrow.

After his, I’m assuming he plays the rest of the road trip until next saturday/sunday.

by webgem14 on Aug 26, 2011 5:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

Iannetta won't

FFFFFFFFFFF.

/it is a new beginning, right?

by The Lodo Magic Man on Aug 26, 2011 5:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

FFFFFFFFFFF.

/it is a new beginning, right?

by The Lodo Magic Man on Aug 26, 2011 6:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

are we taking bets on who shows their junk on the postgame show?

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by papality on Aug 26, 2011 6:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

yup, i just saw that on facebook

good to see

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by papality on Aug 26, 2011 6:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

watching ubaldo....

I still have love for that guy. OK with the trade of course but watching him work for my team was so much fun.

The Big Purple Machine will make a believer outta you!

by El Paso Jeff on Aug 26, 2011 6:16 PM MDT reply actions  

1-0 Royals in the 6th

Ubaldo vs Paulino.So weird.

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by Muzia on Aug 26, 2011 6:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

still only hitting 92-93 on the gun

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by Muzia on Aug 26, 2011 6:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

6IP, 7H, 1BB, 8K

the only run was on an eric hosmer homer. which is a weird two words to type out sequentially.

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by papality on Aug 26, 2011 6:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

89 IP of 3.45 FIP ball, good for 1.9 WAR

yeah, he’s been pretty good

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by papality on Aug 26, 2011 6:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

ubaldo up to 10 K through 7

105 pitches though, so he’s probably done… and still in line for the loss

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by papality on Aug 26, 2011 6:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

Holy crap Tyler Matzek

line so far tonight:

5.0 IP, 2 H, 1 ER, 9 K, 1 BB

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by Muzia on Aug 26, 2011 6:32 PM MDT reply actions  

What is this I'm feeling?

Is it…optimism? About Tyler Matzek?

I had almost forgotten.

by Shoemaker on Aug 26, 2011 6:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

whoa

maybe we can find out again what it’s like to have a first-rounder with promise

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by papality on Aug 26, 2011 6:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

You been listening to it?

Trying to figure out how a single brought a guy from first all the way around to score?

Mills Rogers strikes out swinging.
Justino Cuevas strikes out swinging.
Michael Taylor walks.
Randolph Oduber singles on a fly ball to right fielder Corey Dickerson. Michael Taylor scores.

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by Bloynoys on Aug 26, 2011 6:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

I saw that too

Not listening to it tonight, unfortunately.

My guess is hit and run, combined with a fast runner and Dickerson in right field?

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by Muzia on Aug 26, 2011 6:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

garry style

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by papality on Aug 26, 2011 6:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

now at 11 K through 6 IP

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by Muzia on Aug 26, 2011 6:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

and still only 1 BB

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by papality on Aug 26, 2011 6:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm liking him more and more

Maybe a promotion back to Modesto is order?

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by jrockies on Aug 26, 2011 6:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

i'd rather have him finish in asheville

building confidence by feasting on weaker hitters is probably the best thing for him right now

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by papality on Aug 26, 2011 6:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

Think he'll start next year in Modesto

I wouldn’t be suprised if he keeps this success in Modesto to see Tulsa mid-late year next year. Mainly the walks staying down.

by remyrems on Aug 26, 2011 7:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

13 K through 7 IP

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by Muzia on Aug 26, 2011 7:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

bench him now

he walked another batter

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by jrockies on Aug 26, 2011 7:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

/klaw'd

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by Muzia on Aug 26, 2011 7:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

...pretty sure he's a bust.

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by Muzia on Aug 26, 2011 7:03 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'm particularly pleased in my decision to keep him Top 3 in the Spring list

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by Muzia on Aug 26, 2011 7:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

Do you think he'll stay there with Pomeranz and White?

Assuming White doesn’t pitch enough innings over the next few months to disqualify him from rookie status next year.

by Shoemaker on Aug 26, 2011 7:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

My top 5 will be Pomeranz, White, Arenado, Rosario, and Matzek

in some undetermined order. Pomeranz is definitely first.

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by Muzia on Aug 26, 2011 7:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

I've actually started looking at one.

I’m not having too much trouble with the top 10, it’s ranking 20-30 where i feel out of my depth.

by Shoemaker on Aug 26, 2011 7:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

yeah, me too

i feel like they get a little too interchangeable outside the top 10

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by papality on Aug 26, 2011 7:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

he faced 25 batters.

He struck out 13 of them.

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by Muzia on Aug 26, 2011 7:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

OK, so

these are calculations I’ve done myself and might be off since I’m stupid and no good at maths.

Since reworking his delivery:
48 IP, 29 H, 17 ER, 31 BB, 62 Ks.

by CSTsports on Aug 26, 2011 7:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

JFK's Quote of the Day:

“Life is precious and time is a key element. Let’s make every moment count and help those who have a greater need than our own.” ~Harmon Killebrew

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by jrockies on Aug 26, 2011 7:05 PM MDT reply actions  

matzek lowers his ERA to 4.89 with tonight

final line 7IP, 2H, 1ER, 2BB, 13K

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by papality on Aug 26, 2011 7:28 PM MDT reply actions  

almost ready to call myself a believer

we’ll see how he ends up the year, but he’s probably my 4 or 5 PuRP

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