Wednesday Rockpile: Rockies Are Dead in 2011, Let's Turn to 2012
by Jeff Aberle on Aug 31, 2011 7:30 AM MDT
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As if it weren't patently obvious already, last night's loss was an emphatic exclamation point on the terrible 2011 campaign the Colorado Rockies have had. Aaron Cook was lackluster as usual, legions of Rockies were left on the basepaths, and Ty Wigginton played left field while Seth Smith sat on the bench. All that's left to do is play for .500.
The incomparable Jim Tracy:
They got big hit with runners in scoring position and we didn't get any," Rockies manager Jim Tracy said. "That's what it boils down to again."
Well, that and the fact that the pitcher on the mound last night has just 4 quality starts out of 14 this year and sports a WHIP of 1.67. The recently demoted (to the bullpen) Jason Hammel may have the worst WHIP in MLB among qualifying players (1.52), but at least he managed 12 quality starts out of 25 total. That's an unfortunate back end of a starting rotation. For this mess of a 2011, the Rockies have spent over $82 million, about 54% of it on pitching.
This brings me to my main point -- Aaron Cook's $10+ million salary will be going away after this season (minus a $500k buyout). So too will the salaries of Manuel Corpas ($3.55 M this year, with $250k buyout), Jose Lopez ($3.6), and yes, Ubaldo Jimenez ($2.8). Players like Ian Stewart and Kevin Kouzmanoff are likely to be non-tendered, while Todd Helton's salary drops by over $5 million. As a result, as you can see with Baseball Prospectus' awesome new compensation tool, Colorado only has $57 million or so committed to next year's roster (to 10 players who will play for them).
Obviously the Rockies will be using around $10 million to retain their pre-arbitration players like Jhoulys Chacin and Rex Brothers as well as their arbitration cases with Dexter Fowler and Seth Smith. That leaves Colorado with between $15 and $20 million in payroll flexibility going into this offseason and around 5-8 roster spots to fill.
Some of this money will be used to bring back Jason Giambi and Mark Ellis if they desire to return, but I'd imagine that a few million will be used to get a pitcher to shore up the rotation. Yes, this might end up being Kevin Millwood. One of the names floated out there as a hitter, Michael Cuddyer, was listed as an overpay candidate at Fangraphs. Given his age and lack of defensive utility, I'm more inclined to agree than not given the $8-10 million per for three years he seems to be priced at by the market.
Who would you like to see the Rockies acquire in the off-season?
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In prospect news, 3B Nolan Arenado, 1B Ben Paulsen, and OF Tim Wheeler (all PuRPs) were selected for the Arizona Fall League. Wheeler was selected as the organization's priority player, guaranteed to get consistent playing time. Colorado hasn't selected the four pitchers that they will send to the AFL yet.
Meanwhile, catcher Wilin Rosario talked about his big league dreams with the Denver Post. Those dreams will likely be deferred until Tulsa's season ends.
Baseball Prospectus has a simple instruction to Jon Heyman: judge a player by his performance, not the company he keeps. It's a great case for why Jose Bautista deserves the AL MVP -- but it could be extended to show why Troy Tulowitzki wouldn't be a bad MVP choice either (though Joey Votto and Matt Kemp would be better ones).
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good link
Hopefully they’ll add Type A and B designation after the season
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 31, 2011 7:55 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Wiggy in left field?
C’mon man, the dude can’t run!!
Next game features Giambi in center, cause he has “baseball savvy” and “professional at bats”.
by Cheeseheadroxfan on Aug 31, 2011 7:54 AM MDT reply actions
I watched Mora start a game in CF last year in ST
It could totally happen
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 31, 2011 7:56 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Makes no sense whatsoever
If there’s ever a time to get Smith a fair number of PA’s against LH pitching,
now’s the time.
Tracy just has it in his head that Smith only platoons and he’s never going to
change his mind.
It’s time to change managers.
2011 Rockies -- what the hell?
Exactly
Tracy is just wasting any chance players have to prove themselves, let Smith prove he can hit lefties, maybe he will maybe he won’t but give him a shot. Why not have given Chris Nelson a shot to be an everyday starter instead of platoon/back-up. I really do not want to see Tracy back in 2012.
I'm pretty much over Tracy.
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I think it would be a mistake to non tender Nelson and Stewart
until we have someone better to replace them with. at least give them a chance to play this Sept and in Spring training before dumping them for another Lopez.
by Cheeseheadroxfan on Aug 31, 2011 8:57 AM MDT up reply actions
I think Stewy is done with the Rockies
I can’t imagine there isn’t some bad blood brewing and it’s probably best for all parties to move on.
Nelson should remain with the team. He’s not been soooo horrible at 3rd that he should be non tendered.
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49 games, .263 wOBA
Nelson is looking more and more like a AAAA player.
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Nelson is stuck in limbo right now
Hasn’t hit enough to earn consistent playing time. Has been inconsistent because he doesn’t play.
Exactly.
I remember the first month Cargo was up. Couldn’t hit a thing, but with consistent playing time he had a chance to prove what he could really do.
by Cheeseheadroxfan on Aug 31, 2011 9:11 AM MDT up reply actions
Well, that
and we were winning, a lot. That allowed us to be patient. I suspect we will see more Nelson is September when we stop trying to win games.
Looking at Tracy's lineups,
I would say we stopped trying to win games a long time ago.
by Cheeseheadroxfan on Aug 31, 2011 9:15 AM MDT up reply actions
he played 11 games in a row (and 17 of 18) in June and missed three (?) games between July 27 and Aug 23.
He’s had the chances this season, he’s just not done anything with them.
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I'm not completely giving up on the guy
but the idea that he hasn’t been given a chance this season is silly.
He was given quite a few chances, and was dreadful.
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Nelson is toast as a legit starting possibility
he’s in EY2 category now. We need to stop considering him as a realistic option at 3B for sure, and likely for 2B.
I'm starting to take this opinion as well.
I wanted to see what he could do, and I think he might be able to provide some value as a Herrera type with more gap power, but I’m not even sure about that. Herrera has shown he can take a walk, lay down a bunt, and play excellent defense. Nelson shows flashes of good defense but overall I’m not convinced he’s a good defender.
He seems very erratic
capable of web gems but also booting plays and making mental mistakes. I can easily see why the FO is so leery of him. The talent is respectable, but he’s just not a polished everyday guy yet and probably never will be.
I would give Stewart one more shot
with a new manager, if Tracy stays I think he’s gone. I agree with the Nelson as a AAAA player though, I haven’t been impressed by his bat or his glove.
Please, not Stewie again!
If the guy engineers a ramatic turn around, maybe. But the guy wasted too many games for the Rox. The team can’t afford to waste more opportunities on a guy who has performed as poorly.
by Real Perspective on Aug 31, 2011 12:30 PM MDT up reply actions
yeah they can
The season’s over, there’s nothing to lose anymore
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2011 3:16 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't understand
why nobody seems to blame DOD for these things. Sure, Tracy deserves the hit too…but does anyone really think that if DOD wanted to see Smith v. Lefties, that Tracy would still do this? Come on. Likewise Nelson. This is all organizational philosophy reflected through the manager.
I don't know if I can buy that
Tracy has a long history of this kind of nonsense. You raise a good point, but I think this is one of those situations that we’ll probably just have to guess on, as there’s no way we get a straight answer from anyone about it.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2011 10:28 AM MDT up reply actions
I agree that Tracy is doing his own thing
here. I also agree that we will never know. But let’s be real. Tracy is basically a lame duck manager playing out the string here. If DOD disagreed with his use of assets, its incumbent on him to do something about it. I’m not suggesting that DOD is (or should be) micromanaging the lineups, and I doubt he very much cares whether CDI bats 7th or 8th or whatever. But hitting Smith against lefties is a major organizational issue (and has been one for several years), and if Tracy is going against DOD’s wishes, DOD is not doing his job and/or should fire Tracy for it.
What makes you think Tracy is a lame duck?
Sadly I see no evidence that DOD intends to can Tracy.
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I see no evidence the Monforts will can Tracy.
No dreaded vote of confidence!
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He is not yet a true lame duck
because he’s got a year left on his deal. But until he is extended, he’s a lame duck, who has maybe more power than Jim Riggleman did but not much.
I don’t have any publicly supportable reason to think DOD will can Tracy either, which I contend supports my view that DOD is happy (or at least supportive) with what Tracy is doing in terms of management of the team. Which is my basic point above.
That said, if we end up finishing 4th and looking bad doing so (which right now seems like the most likely result for this season) I would not at all be surprised to see DOD dump Tracy, if only for PR reasons.
This is a team that had realistic playoff expectations at the start of the season.
With the personel that they had coming out of ST to have played so poorly I believe speaks volumes about the manager and his coaches, none who have seemed able to turn the tide. Most teams are lucky to have 2 super allstar type players; the Rockies have 3 (Helton, Tulo, Cargo) and should have been much more competive even with the remainder of the roster. Sure better players would help, but getting the most out of what you have is the sign of great coaching, and that isn’t happening here.
by Cheeseheadroxfan on Aug 31, 2011 11:09 AM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
I agree
that getting the most out of players reflects well on coaches, but I have a hard time blaming Tracy for Stewart’s apocalypse, Ubaldo’s issues, JDLR and Nicasio injuries, Spilborgs disappearance, Hammel and Cook’s ineffectivenes, Street blowing saves, the lack of any warm-blooded body to prop at 2b, Dexter’s early season issues, etc.
The roster was much better on paper than on the field. Tracy deserves some (a lot) of blame for not fixing issues or identifying them more quickly, but DOD is the man who put this together.
FYI, Huston has 28 saves and 3 blown.
I agree with everything else said, but I hate the unbased myth that Huston is sub-standard in the closer role. Obviously went through some injuries recently, but not a bad season out of him.
Kevin Kouzmanoff:
With OAK: stats/stats/stats
With COL: Irrelevant small sample size
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Aug 31, 2011 12:18 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'm not really anti-Street
I should have probably included the whole bullpen there. The team has 22 blown saves, which I know is a loose (bad) stat but does show there have been a lot of late-inning fires set by the bullpen.
Late-inning?
How do you know when the Rockies’ blown saves occurred, given that they have to pitch half of nearly every game?
The hard copy of the Denver Post this morning listed the Rockies’ pitching stats, sorted by ERA. Chacin is the only starter that even sniffs the upper half, while Reynolds is the only reliever in the lower half. Chacin is the only starter under 4.00, while Reynolds is the only reliever over 4.00 (Street is close at 3.91).
Not that I think the Rox have an elite bullpen, but you’ll never fix this pen until you seriously upgrade the rotation.
by Northsider1964 on Aug 31, 2011 1:13 PM MDT up reply actions
we're 10th in MLB in reliever WPA
and are tied for 5th in shutdowns, however we’re also 24th in meltdowns, and have the 3rd most relief appearances; but those relief appearances produce a 3.58 xFIP, good for 5th in MLB, and a 3.11 SIERA good for 4th.
i don’t think the pen is really an issue.
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I think the pen can certainly be improved
But how do you even evaluate them when they are used like rented mules? Belisle, for example, is never going to be a star. But he must be at the point where he would rather just throw the ball underhanded – slowpitch softball style – and take his chances.
by Northsider1964 on Aug 31, 2011 1:38 PM MDT up reply actions
I actually like street as a closer.
And don’t agree with the consensus that a closer needs to fit the mold of being an intimidating fireball thrower.
Get well soon Juan.
The problem is just that Huston's a big expensive next year (7.5 million)
And has question marks backing up a good year with another good year.
I’d look to trade him. I doubt there will be many (if any) suitors.
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 31, 2011 1:01 PM MDT up reply actions
a bit*
Man, typo galore for me today.
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 31, 2011 1:01 PM MDT up reply actions
Helton hasn't been a "super allstar type player"
since about 2003
Super, no
All Star, close.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2011 3:17 PM MDT up reply actions
Damn you, Victorino!
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perhaps
but in reality we know that’s not how it goes, particularly with big-ticket strategic issues. GMs tell managers/coaches what to do all the time. This isn’t LaRussa or Torre or somebody who carries a lot of weight. Tracy is clinging by his fingernails to this job and defying DOD on something important (like people here seem to think this is) would be pretty reckless and silly. Perhaps DOD flat out doesn’t care what Tracy does with Smith, and if that’s true again they both deserve blame.
My take is simple: this organization sees Smith as a platoon player. And he is treated as one.
If DOD fires Tracy after the season
then he can be absolved of this completely.
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I've raised this before
and agree DOD deserves some of the blame for not pressuring Tracy to play a better lineup. He needed to be more vocal when we were playing Herrera in the 2 hole and Amezaga when he came up from AAA. How much of the blame?…that i’m not sure. I really just want Tracy gone as manager.
by osierra11 on Aug 31, 2011 10:52 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Tracy leaves me speechless
Can we take a look and see what Tulo’s batting line is when Wiggy is playing LF? He did not have good at bats at all last night and my version is he was secretly peeved at Tracy for throwing Wiggy in LF and wasn’t able to focus.
Tulo cannot be happy with how this season is turning out and there’s going to be another sitdown with DOD in October. Instead of getting a 7 year extension, he’ll get a new manager this time around.
Can we get Tulo to ask for Guillen or Sandberg
That’s what I want for my birthday.
Get well soon Juan.
I'd rather take a guy who's been up at the Major League level.
I’m still pushing Dave Martinez.
by DumbAndNerdy on Aug 31, 2011 8:14 AM MDT up reply actions
I like either of these options as well
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I know close to nothing about managers
but was he a serious candidate in Chicago for being Ryno or for proving himself at the minor league level? Based on my interactions with Cubs fans, I would guess the former.
He's been a good AAA manager.
I just don’t think those successes translate well to the Majors.
by DumbAndNerdy on Aug 31, 2011 8:18 AM MDT up reply actions
I believe his team has won their division 5 of 6 years
at multiple levels, and with multiple organizations
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He's only been with the Cubs.
He left them when he got passed over for Quade and is with the Phillies now.
by DumbAndNerdy on Aug 31, 2011 8:22 AM MDT up reply actions
The IronPigs are 2 GB of their division
and tied for the Wild Card.
by DumbAndNerdy on Aug 31, 2011 8:25 AM MDT up reply actions
He’s managed the Cubs A, AA, AAA affiliates. After being passed up for the MLB gig, he was hired by the Phillies AAA affiliate but has publicly stated he wants a MLB job right now.
I would personally love to have Sandberg as our manager.
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Smart, hard-working, vocal, and is the type of guy that would demand the best of his players
and he’s got the resume to back it up.
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He has a resume as player. I worry about AAA managers.
It seems like many AAA guys come up to the Majors and blow up with their first job out of the gate. After that, they spend some time in the majors as a bench coach or something, then come back to a manager job with much more success. This is what worries me. I’d rather not be Sandberg’s proving ground.
Guys who are generally considered to be good (Maddon, Scioscia, Francona) had spent ample time in the Majors before getting their first gigs. I’d want to see Sandberg do that first,
by DumbAndNerdy on Aug 31, 2011 8:40 AM MDT up reply actions
Can't be any worse than what we currently have.
I am all for a change, any change.
by Cheeseheadroxfan on Aug 31, 2011 8:59 AM MDT up reply actions
I'd rather it be the best possible change though.
Although a good manager would give us one less thing to complain about.
by DumbAndNerdy on Aug 31, 2011 9:01 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
sounds like girardi
someone else i would love
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I wanted him as well
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2011 11:29 AM MDT up reply actions
I have an idea how to raise the $500K
for Cook’s buyout – a good old-fashioned telethon! With the way he’s pitching I’m pretty sure the phones would light up like a Christmas tree.
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No need for a telethon
We have some budget left over from not signing our draft picks.
ugh. indeed
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 31, 2011 8:15 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
this hurt as much as that Tracy article yesterday
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Which one?
Any Tracy article or quote is hard to take right now.
I'm still beating my head against the wall trying to convince my friend that Tracy sucks.
And his response today was something to the effect of “The Rockies are done this year, so who cares if Wiggy gets the start in LF over Smith”
Get well soon Juan.
Well the Denver Post has a new poll up
Priority for 2012 and one of the options is to fire Tracy. Let’s see how the general public reacts to this one….my guess is fire the FO to get the majority.
Tracy still gets a good amount of cheers at home games during lineup introductions. That needs to change.
Fire the FO is out to a quick lead
With 19 out of 39 total votes. Damn you casual observer!
Can't blame the FO for doing the best it can with the allowance the Monforts give them.
Get well soon Juan.
The Montforts provided adequate $$$ this year
Can’t blame them for the results.
2011 Rockies -- what the hell?
Wasn't blaming the Monforts
I don’t expect them to spend like the Yankees or BoSox. And I see the Front Office trying to get some players that can do something. I’m disappointed with their ability to get our drafts signed, but I imagine that under a different skipper, we would be in the race right now.
Get well soon Juan.
Count me as one
(not a voter) who thinks that the FO has made more critical mistakes that led to the downfall of this season than Jim Tracy has.
How much of that do you think is hindsight?
Serious question, not meant to single anyone out.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2011 10:52 AM MDT up reply actions
A lot of it, if not all.
No doubt. I thought this team would be very good, and I was happy with the direction before this season. But fortunately for me, its not my job to be right about these things. It is DOD’s job. And to me he was awfully wrong about an awful lot of things, and has not done very much in the way of tangible repairs.
DOD went after the right guys this offseason though
Michael Young and Berkman have had spectacular seasons, and both were (supposedly) very close to being in a Rockies uniform Opening Day.
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Fair points
but, critically, he didn’t get them. So I’ll give him some credit for the right ideas, but take it all back for failing to execute on good plans.
I think we all laughed at the money that Berkman was given in St. Louis...
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Thinking of Berkman roaming the OF at Coors
gave me a mildish case of night terrors last offseason.
Either that, or I was having premonitions of Seth Smith’s 2011. I wish I had paid closer attention now…
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by Junction Rox on Aug 31, 2011 11:15 AM MDT up reply actions
we could have a small child out in RF with the way berkman's hit this year
and i really wouldn’t give a damn
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That's true now, for sure
but I was following up to Muzia’s comment about how people felt about the Berkman signing before the season.
As it turns out, we really couldn’t have lost much from the defensive “contributions” we got from whoever was in the OF not named Dex or CarGo.
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by Junction Rox on Aug 31, 2011 11:30 AM MDT up reply actions
Could really have used Berkman's bat
Even if Berkman had made cameo appearances like Giambi has, the Rox would have several more reverses in the W-L column and would be competeing for first in the Div.
by Real Perspective on Aug 31, 2011 12:34 PM MDT up reply actions
Do you understand how WAR works?
Because as far as I can tell you’re suggesting Berkman’s cameo appearances would have racked up double figures WAR, which would be leading baseball by a huge margin. Seems dubious.
Sure
I’m not saying I was a die-hard supporter of the plan. But again, its not our job here. If DOD thought it was a great plan, he should have made it happen regardless of what the internet commandos have to say.
Making a bad decision is awfully similar to not making a good one.
I do have to wonder which side of the line those things were on
for example (and I’m not saying this is what happened, because your information is as good as mine) let’s say the Rockies badgered the Rangers into giving up Young for a relatively low price tag, after Daniels had said no a bunch of times until FINALLY he caved, but at the last minute Nolan Ryan was like “dude, you were going to give them up for THAT?! No, are you crazy?!”
The way it’s been presented is that O’Dowd and Daniels had a nice little chat and came to a friendly, fair, beneficial agreement and Nolan Ryan was shooting pistols in the backyard and shouting YEE HAW and being Mr. Strickland from Strickland Propane and when he heard news that his captain was gone, he took a big bite of steak and got on the phone and called Daniels a polecat or something.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2011 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't pretend to know what went down
but as in most things, there is almost always a price and at the end of the day DOD didn’t offer it/wouldn’t pay it. In any case, it didn’t get done.
I'm with you here
Of course, our information has been tainted by Rockies-centric sources, so we can’t really know if the FO screwed the pooch or not on these deals.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2011 11:31 AM MDT up reply actions
Rangers writers also said the same thing
deal was agreed upon, but the Rangers decided to pull back at the last minute. O’Dowd was willing to pay the price, but the Rangers FO reconsidered.
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I'm not saying
DOD should in fact be blamed for blowing this. But simply that he didn’t get it done. Sometimes you gotta keep after a deal and make it happen. Sometimes the deal just can’t happen. We don’t know the answer, we do know the result. Not good for us.
And that's what I've come to understand as well
I just wonder about the nuances that we don’t read.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2011 11:36 AM MDT up reply actions
The exact same can be said for the Wandy deal
there was a price for getting that done. Of course, it was apparently Rosario or Pomeranz, + taking on all of Wandy’s contract. But there was a price at the end of the day, and DOD didn’t offer it/wouldn’t pay it.
The only difference from the Rangers deal is that we have no idea what the Rangers price tag was, or even that there was one that would have made Ryan give up their Helton.
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by Junction Rox on Aug 31, 2011 11:34 AM MDT up reply actions
For me it depends greatly
On who it is that falls in love with ineffective players, and just can’t let go. Was it Tracy and Apodaca who said they could get by with two experiments in the bullpen this season, while burning up the other relievers – or was that decision thrust upon them by the front office? Did the coaching staff think it could twiddle its thumbs for two months waiting for Cookie to come back and save their patchwork rotation, or did that edict come from the front office? There was a lot of noise in the offseason about bringing in a RH-hitting OF, but someone decided the Happy Days combo of Spilly and Wiggy would be sufficient.
I’m more than ready for Tracy to go, because I think he’s lost this team. But I don’t think it’s a stretch to say that he’s been dealt some crappy hands to play over the past two years.
by Northsider1964 on Aug 31, 2011 11:12 AM MDT up reply actions
We'll never know for sure
but to me, the job of structuring the roster falls on DOD and I would be shocked if Tracy has more than input control on the 25. If he’s letting Tracy make all the personnel decisions, then he deserves the blame anyway for negligent supervision. And there’s obviously no way to blame Tracy for Wigginton, Lopez, and whatever pitchers are on the roster.
Watching the games are frustrating
and we lose games based on some of his decisions. We don’t talk enough about his insistance on aggressive baserunning
1. we should not be running on contact when the infield is pulled in with a runner at 3rd and less than two outs.
2. We should not worry that Fowler is a bad basestealer and instead realize that Fowler will always get to third on a single from first and score from 2nd.
3. We will not hit and run with Iannetta or Fowler at the plate.
4. No more sac bunts!
He costs us too many outs with this insanity he calls aggressive baserunning and this taken together with his failure with the lineups and bullpen is cause enough to fire him as manager.
by osierra11 on Aug 31, 2011 11:15 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
that poll makes me sad.
here’s the standings as of 1:23 PM EDT:
replace front office, 75 votes, 28.30%
replace tracy, 45, 16.98%
rebuild the rotation, 104, 39.24%
find a 3B, 41, 15.47%
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the only area where DOD has struggled has been the draft
but how much of that falls on him? He obviously doesn’t make these decisions unilaterally. What are the scouts, director of scouting and others doing here?
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Really?
In my view, you could say that DOD has struggled in putting winning teams on the field. Certainly he has struggled in assembling a division winner. Etc.
this is a joke right?
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Perhaps he should adopt Brian Sabean's foolproof strategy
for assembling a division winner.
Wait, that’s sort of what we’re doing now, and it’s not really working.
we're just frustrated
but lets not get it twisted. Wed haven’t done what Sabean has done (for better or worse). We haven’t signed crappy veterans to huge deals, and we have struck gold with like 3 or 4 almost consecutive first round picks.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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right but the issue you bring up
is the superordinate one with our poor drafts accounting for that. He’s been awesome with trades and such
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by black_knight101 on Aug 31, 2011 2:37 PM MDT up reply actions
I don't agree
that he’s been “awesome with trades and such.” A mixed record that is better than his draft record? For trades, probably yes. For FA? Meh. I don’t think poor drafts are the only reason we’ve been inconsistent (at best) on the field.
To be our budget is relatively tight in FA
Marquis, Matsui, Torrealba, Olivo, and Belisle were all solid FA acquisitions especially for the money. DLR, Lindstrom, Betancourt have all been good trades if anything his reluctance to trade from strength is what has hurt this team the most
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The Ubaldo deal will obviously need to be evaluated later
but I do like the logic behind it. The Jason Jennings and Matt Holliday trades were both pretty awesome.
If we had really hit on anyone out of Nelson, Weathers, Reynolds, and now regrettably Stewart, if any of those guys were a 4-5 win regular at 2b, 3b, or OF, I think we’d be a totally different position.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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Also, now that I look at it
it could be considered greedy to hope for one of these guys to become an above average regular, but not only were they all 1st round picks, they were ALL (which surprised me) within the top 10.
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The results of that poll are exactly backwards
How the world will end in 2012: George of the Roses builds a Machine that Pommels everyone with La Violencia during Whiteouts.
Maybe not...
May be untill the front office is cleared we won’t effectively do three and four,
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This time of year...
If we aren’t in the playoffs, this is the time of year I look forward to rosters expanding and see some potential future players. I however have the fear that Tracy won’t play them because he needs Wiggy in the line up striking out. All I want for next season is a new manager that doesn’t sit Smith for Wiggy
by Utah Rockies Fan on Aug 31, 2011 8:17 AM MDT reply actions
It gets worse
Spilly is due back from the DL soon. So Tracy will have another black hole into which he can throw September ABs.
A non-contending September, after all, is a great time to really see what your journeyman-caliber, below-average-in-every-phase-of-the-game, non-tender candidate OF brings to the table.
by Northsider1964 on Aug 31, 2011 8:24 AM MDT up reply actions
Spilly wasn't getting all that many starts when he was here.
And if we don’t have Wheeler or someone around, I’m not sure who plays in the outfield matters all that much.
You mean when he was on the DL?
Otherwise looking at his game log, he has consistently gotten 1-2 starts a week the entire season
I guess I was thinking people were worried about something closer than a straight platoon.
Which Spilly wasn’t really doing.
But in general, if we don’t have a Wheeler or Blackmon on the team, I’m not sure who else is critical to give at bats too through the rest of the season.
Cuddyer is obviously the best position-player get for us.
It’d be interesting to see how Willingham would do in Coors. There are plenty of decent relievers and rotation gap-fillers. Although extremely inadvisable, I have a soft spot for Willis. I’d like to get him on a lark.
The biggest problem is the amount of suck at 3B. We’re going to have to trade somebody.
the biggest problem, actually, is that our holes mirror the majority of MLB
so in order to get ANY decent player, we’ll have to bid against 5-10 other teams. I’m not confident it’s going to happen.
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I think it's a very, very slim chance we sign him.
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I'm not really that worried about it.
The chances of him providing any long-term effectiveness for us are pretty minimal. He’d be a one-to-two year rental at best. There are a slew of other guys below Cuddyer who would still be upgrades for us We’ll end up getting one of them.
by DumbAndNerdy on Aug 31, 2011 8:33 AM MDT up reply actions
cuddyer is playing over his head right now
put down money on him seriously regressing next year
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Personally,
I don’t really see what Cuddyer gives us that Wigginton doesn’t. True Cuddyer may provide better defense at 3b and in the of spots but it will still be sub-par defense and I just don’t see that adding much to this team or our W/L record.
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You're joking, right?
Cuddyer=teh suck.
Aramis Ramirez, however…
by Purple Row Troll on Aug 31, 2011 1:49 PM MDT up reply actions
We need to address 2B in 2012. That's been needed for a long time.
Mark Ellis is not the answer. He’s a good-fielding, light-hitting journeyman who at age 34 isn’t anything more than yet another stopgap. We’ve had plenty of those. They’re a dime a dozen. I don’t really care that he’s from South Dakota & has family in the area. We need a 2B who can hit.
I’d like to see Thomas Field get a shot, but he strikes out too much & may be another Barmes offensively (some power, low-avg., though his minor league OBP has been pretty good.). He would be cheaper, I suppose.
Since good free agent 3B’s are scarce (unless we want to shell out for Aramis Ramirez, which I’d be in favor of) and Arenado’s on the way to plug that hole soon, acquiring a 2B who can hit by trade or free agency would be a productive use of the payroll flexibility. And I don’t mean another Jose Lopez reclamation project gamble.
That and a starting pitcher. I think Milwood would do as a filler under JDLR’s ready, supposedly in May. But we’ve got to spend $$$ on another starter, unless winter ball makes it apparent that Nicasio is 100%.
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Not going to happen. There’s a guy named Nolan Arenado that’s going to be here soon.
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 31, 2011 8:38 AM MDT up reply actions
Ramirez plays 3B until Arenado cracks the majors, then there's like half a season of shuffle
Helton retires, Ramirez moves to 1B, Arenado stays at 3B, win.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2011 9:51 AM MDT up reply actions
well hey
that’s just, that’s just crazy enough to work!
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I really like that.
Though I think Kyle Parker will be knocking on the door for the 1B job by the time Helton retires.
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 31, 2011 12:19 PM MDT up reply actions
We could always try trade either of them
and particularly Aramis is Parker seems to be everything we hoped he would be..
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Easier said than done.
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 31, 2011 12:32 PM MDT up reply actions
Spend money on a starter, even if Nicasio is 100 percent
This team has a lot of holes, but none bigger than starting pitcher innings.
by Northsider1964 on Aug 31, 2011 8:39 AM MDT up reply actions
I agree, but with one caveat
second base is a black hole across the entire league. Who could we find that’s an obvious upgrade over Mark Ellis?
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Aaron Hill....
oh wait, you said obvious. I dunno
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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Keppinger for one.
Heck, I think Barmes is an upgrade over Ellis.
Same defense, Barmes has more power.
Actually, they’re close to a wash.
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Oh i can't stand Barmes
As bad as we’ve been at 2nd, Barmes has and will never come to mind as a better solution. There’s no slider with two strikes low enough or away enough for Grimey
i agree
barmes is worthless and i would take most anything over him
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Astros are getting a 3 fWAR season out of that worthless fellow
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2011 11:32 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
barmes is only a league average hitter this year
because league average has sunk so low
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so?
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2011 11:37 AM MDT up reply actions
so he's awful
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if he's less awful than the other half of the league, then he's not that awful
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2011 11:40 AM MDT up reply actions
LET ME HAVE THIS ANDREW
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by papality on Aug 31, 2011 11:41 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
oh, he's still awful
just less awful than the awful awful alternatives…
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by Junction Rox on Aug 31, 2011 11:41 AM MDT up reply actions
it's awful I tells ya
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2011 11:42 AM MDT up reply actions
still would be an upgrade at 2B
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by Muzia on Aug 31, 2011 11:38 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
don't dump what your have...
until you have something better to replace him with!
by Cheeseheadroxfan on Aug 31, 2011 11:40 AM MDT up reply actions
Clint Barmes was pretty terrible last season.
It wasn’t unreasonable to think one of those four would manage to outproduce him.
Then we got 2011’d.
So..
Then we got 2011’d.
Made me want to make a gif out of Nicasio’s injury with the caption “you got 2011’d”
by Purple Row Troll on Aug 31, 2011 1:54 PM MDT up reply actions
No thank you.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2011 3:22 PM MDT up reply actions
Keppinger is not a free agent
He’ll be in his last arbitration year. Not sure SFG will nontender him
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 31, 2011 6:32 PM MDT up reply actions
Keppinger, definitely.
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 31, 2011 8:44 AM MDT up reply actions
Really?
Ellis’ defense>>Keppinger’s D
Similar age, similar OBP (Keppinger had a fluky 2010), similar average…
I really don’t see the obvious upgrade.
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Keppinger's 3 years younger.
And a better hitter, though won’t walk as much, than Ellis. Which explains the similar OBP.
I like Keppinger’s LD rate, which is about 6-7% higher than Mark Ellis’. Could work out very well in Coors..
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 31, 2011 8:51 AM MDT up reply actions
You don't see the Giants re-signing him to play SS next year?
I think that’s a given.
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it wasn't a joke at all
The Giants need someone at SS, and Sanchez is already committed at 2B.
I honestly think Keppinger is their starting SS Opening Day.
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I don't think Keppinger can play SS.
If the Giants really do that, I will laugh. Keppinger is not a good defensive IF… Bad range (I watch a lot of Giants games…) won’t work out at SS.
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 31, 2011 9:03 AM MDT up reply actions
Neither can Miguel Tejada, or Juan Uribe
but they were the starters the past two seasons.
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But they've each played SS much more than Keppinger.
The more I think about it, the more I think the Giants let Keppinger walk.
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 31, 2011 9:07 AM MDT up reply actions
And I only see Keppinger on a 2-year deal
I think that’d be a great sign.
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 31, 2011 8:53 AM MDT up reply actions
...which means Sabean will sign him to a four year deal
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I really hope we can sway Keppinger over here..
I see him resigning with the Giants though.
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 31, 2011 8:56 AM MDT up reply actions
Keppinger's "fluky" 2010
resulted from him finally being given the chance to play every day over the course of a season. (See Smith, Seth) It’s been followed by a solid 2011, including 2 game-winning hits for the Giants last week. His big weakness was an inability to hit RHP … he’s always been lights out vs. LHP. But given regular playing time, his hitting against RHP improved.
If we’re content to just have good defense at 2B, then Ellis will be fine. So would Barmes. So would Herrera. So would Nelson, probably, with more reps at 2B.
The problem at 2B has been, and still is, lack of offense. I’ll swap a little defense for offense there at this point.
Another suggestion: Anderson Hernandez, currently playing SS for the Astros’ AAA affiliate & owner of a 28-game hitting streak. Astros have 2 rookie infielders (Altuve,Paredes) who are looking like future stars, and seem happy with Barmes at SS (the veteran to anchor a young infield). Hernandez would come cheap.
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Hernandez's minor league stats look soooo bad though..
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 31, 2011 9:01 AM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, his OBP isn't good
Didn’t look at career stats before I posted that.
He’s had several major league tryouts, and his OBP isn’t good overall.
He was decent for the Astros last year & is having a nice AAA season this year,
but he had more major league history than I thought, and it’s not that good,.
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OBP the last four years
.310
.320
.351
.317
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All I can tell you is
if he’s playing 2B for the Giants next year & the Rockies have Ellis/Herrera,
the Giants will have a better-hitting 2B
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They already have Freddy Sanchez. Keppinger won't be the starter if everyone's healthy
I’m dead serious. Keppinger will start at SS next year for SF unless they pay Reyes 120mil+
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No way.
Cincy gave up on him as a SS.
So did the Astros — insufficient range. After his fine 2010 season, if he could play SS, they wouldn’t have gotten Barmes.
He can’t play SS other than on a fill-in basis. The Giants know that. He won’t be their starting SS in 2012.
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you're talking about a team
that paid Miguel Tejada 6.5mil this season as their starting shortstop
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ha. not
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 31, 2011 12:09 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
there's nothing definitive about Keppinger being an upgrade over Ellis.
At best, the two are a wash, given that Keppinger’s offense isn’t just so night and day better than Ellis’ is to make up for the gap in glovework.
But here’s the real thing. Even if you guys are all right about Keppinger, that he’s turning a corner with steady playing time, etc, we’re talking about a slightly above league average bat with a minus glove. That, and a likely bidding war if he actually hits the open market, given the absolute dearth of 2B this season.
We have a much better shot of extending Ellis than signing Keppinger. With Ellis, we get a below-average bat, which is far from great, but if he’s batting 8th like he should be under whatever new manager the team isn’t going to get, it’s still workable. I’d rather have his glove in defense of Alex White and Jhoulys Chacin and have him playing every day in a park that isn’t the Oakland Foul Ground Coliseum.
Look at this another way: if you don’t have a homegrown 2B stud, you’re paying a premium. The teams in MLB that have the best 2B production are the ones who have Dustin Pedroia, Ian Kinsler, Robbie Cano, etc etc. As you go down the list, you get a few teams who struck some gold with guys like Matt Downs or Nick Punto, but past those teams with the elite 2B up top, the value drops pretty steadily. Once you get past the teams with the elite 2B, the talent level is pretty weak.
That all being said, guys like Ellis, Keppinger, hell, maybe even Jamey Carroll are gonna have bidding wars over them purely because of how many teams are trotting out Johnny Herreras and Robert Andinos and recognize the need to upgrade 2B.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2011 10:27 AM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
that's all you got out of that?
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2011 10:34 AM MDT up reply actions
not dry enough sorry
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2011 10:52 AM MDT up reply actions
Ah...an oasis of vermouth
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2011 10:58 AM MDT up reply actions
colour me unimpressed
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Excellent analysis
How does a franchise reach the point where fans are looking longingly at Jeff Keppinger as the solution to their problem? It has a lot to do with this…..
Second basemen
Alfredo Amezaga (34)
Clint Barmes (33)
Willie Bloomquist (34) – $1.1MM mutual option with a $150K buyout
Orlando Cabrera (37)
Robinson Cano (29) – $14MM club option with a $2MM buyout
Jamey Carroll (37)
Alex Cora (36)
Craig Counsell (41)
Mark Ellis (35)
Jerry Hairston Jr. (36)
Bill Hall (32) – $4MM mutual option with a $250K buyout
Aaron Hill (30) – $8MM club option for 2012 and $8MM club option for ’13
Omar Infante (30)
Kelly Johnson (30)
Adam Kennedy (36)
Felipe Lopez (32)
Jose Lopez (28)
Aaron Miles (35)
Brandon Phillips (31) – $12MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Of the people on that list not named Cano (who obviously isn’t going anywhere), the only ones that could possibly be called the solution by a team with hopes of contending are Phillips (who isn’t going anywhere unless the Reds just balk at the price tag…) and maybe Johnson. Aside from that, in the land of the awful the Keppinger becomes King…
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by Junction Rox on Aug 31, 2011 10:44 AM MDT up reply actions
What I get out of this
is that we need to make an awesome, slick trade i.e. Brandon Phillips to Cincy or Zobrist to Tampa.
Unfortunately, those types of trades can’t happen at will….
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That list does start to make Infante look borderline attractive...
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by Junction Rox on Aug 31, 2011 10:51 AM MDT up reply actions
I prefer Scutero at 2nd
if we’re going down the route of FA. He can become a super utility. He’s old but better than a lot of those 2nd base options.
Although I might get killed for saying this,
2B isn’t killing us. 3B and RF are killing us. We can have a defensive 2B if we can find a way to get production from OF or 3B.
by DumbAndNerdy on Aug 31, 2011 10:52 AM MDT up reply actions
Our team has gotten the absolute least production out of 2B in the majors this season.
Ignoring defense, we’re worst offensively by a decent margin.
3B, we’re last place by a long shot.
RF …. 3rd worst, awesome.
Full season from Smith would’ve likely equated to a 2.0 fWAR, or a league average player. Spilly’s been atrocious.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2011 10:55 AM MDT up reply actions
I understand your premise
and don’t really disagree, except to say that its all 3 that are killing us. And only imagine if we had a normal guy at SS. The fact is, we need material upgrades at 2 if not 3 of those positions if we are to have a competent offense.
Wow. That's one ugly list
Can we convert Rogers back to an IF?
Suddenly Thomas Field looks better. He’d probably give you close to the same offense as most on that list, and for Major League minimum.
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by SurfaceThought on Aug 31, 2011 11:41 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Very true.
But isn’t the whole problem we have with 2B is that we get no offense from that position? Resigning Ellis does not solve anything offensively.
Keppinger, please.
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 31, 2011 12:21 PM MDT up reply actions
and FWIW, I rec'd that post.
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 31, 2011 12:22 PM MDT up reply actions
It depends on what we do with 3B and RF
We can afford to have a single “no offense” position (even though a 90 wRC+ is hardly “no offense”) if the other holes are well patched.
Keppinger’s defensive lackings are going to make his offensive additions a wash.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2011 3:23 PM MDT up reply actions
Well, I'm not so sure on your last line.
I really feel that Keppinger could be a good fit in Colorado. Very high LD% (24%, or 7% higher than Ellis’ current 17% LD%) and won’t be VERY pricey. I’d like to make a run at him, and if he falls out of our price range, resign Ellis.
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 31, 2011 5:39 PM MDT up reply actions
You're assuming that Ellis will just wait around for us to figure out our 2B situation though
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2011 6:36 PM MDT up reply actions
yo
what about Pacheco?
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
he was a second baseman that was moved to catcher
wasn’t he?
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Lemme check it out.
I think he’s played a little bit of 2B. However, he’s fallen off the table in AAA. Not a good option offensively.
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 31, 2011 8:59 AM MDT up reply actions
Not many games at 2B.
And if he was transitioned to catcher, that tells me he couldn’t field 2B… Bad range and such.
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 31, 2011 8:59 AM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, but
he’s hitting .270 at AAA with little power.
Projecting to the majors, I’d take a .250 – .260 hitting catcher with little power in a heartbeat (assuming adequate defense). But not a 2B.
2011 Rockies -- what the hell?
That's not what I said.
I said a catcher who can hit .250 – .260 in the Majors with average defense is worth having.
I have no idea if Rosario can do that.
Ianetta can’t, but if his % of walks as a No. 8 hitter is good enough for most, so be it.
2011 Rockies -- what the hell?
Iannetta is a 240 catcher (average be damned)
with above average defense, on base skills, and power. I’m not sure how Rosario will do in terms of average and OBP, but his power looks like it will be elite for a catcher, and so could his defense.
Pacheco is a catcher who will hit 240 in the majors with well below average power and defense.
Is there any chance we're overestimating this recent down season of his?
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perfect
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Yeah, actually.
I think he may rebound in 2012. His bat was declared MLB ready two seasons ago.
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it's definitely a weak season
but it is kind of out of line with his minor league past and all his numbers trended the wrong way despite moving to a hitting oasis.
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steady line drive rate this year
strikeouts have doubled this season, and the BABIP has dropped 46 points from Tulsa last season.
Since the level of competition hasn’t dramatically changed (and may have become weaker), I’d say he’s pressing in his at bats, has been unlucky, and hasn’t taken advantage of the environment.
I honestly think he rebounds in 2012.
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He could
But I’m just not sure if he will ever be a major league player. Defense, power, and baserunning are three well below average tools for him. He would need to survive on contact. But without any real position, I’m not sure if he can.
are we sure about his defense and baserunning?
where would I find that information?
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Super utility guy has always been his future
I’m not giving up on his potential quite yet, but this year has certainly been a struggle
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super utility guy?
sounds like he’d be a great fit for us at 2b then!
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
yes, there's a big chance of this IMO.
If you step back and remember that he was pushed to AAA because of Rosarios injury, and realize that he (basically) skipped AA, and is probably really trying to focus on improving his defense, it’s really not that surprising that he’s struggling this season.
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by black_knight101 on Aug 31, 2011 1:52 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
what is aram looking at getting? 4/60? or would it be higher?
4/60 might be the highest I am willing to go if I am the rockies. He’ll probably get more elsewhere though, right?
Yes. And for more years.
He’s the top FA position player (not named Pujols) and is a plus bat at a position that was miserable throughout baseball this season.
It’s the perfect storm for Aramis.
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I would put 10 American dollars on whatever contract Aramis signs
Being the subject of much snickering on fangraphs in 18 months time.
10 American dollars won't be worth much in 18 months
by WanderingRoxFan on Aug 31, 2011 10:09 AM MDT up reply actions
You're probably right
He’s having a good 2011 … but it’s his “contract year”.
Jayson Werth had a very good 2010 contract year, and now look at
what the Nats are stuck with.
2011 Rockies -- what the hell?
"Fangraphs eschews FA signing"
“Film at 11”
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2011 10:29 AM MDT up reply actions
and he's got this going for him!
http://www.fangraphs.com/not/index.php/son-of-gif-a-ram-doesnt-look-at-explosions/
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He's been a teammate of Carlos Zambrano for years, he's used to being surrounded by people blowing up
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he's just that cool Muzia
he doesn’t need to even see who’s blowing up.
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"All that's left to do is play for .500."
Wrong.
Beat LA. If we can finish ahead of the Hated Dodgers, then this season will be slightly better than an unmitigated disaster, IMHO.
"Surgeons have determined that doing the wave will, yes, will cause tears to the suprapinatus muscle and the infraspinatus muscle from the throwing of an individual's arms rapidly into the air. In addition, any children doing the wave will be sold to the circus. Do NOT do the wave in the ballpark. Doing the wave is safe at pro football games and Miley Cyrus concerts.
-scoreboard announcement at Ranger Ballpark in Arlington via Baseball Nation.
Meh. I just wanted to finish ahead of the Giants.
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If they continue their free fall...
you might still get your wish.
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yeah i dont care about beating the dodgers
it’s like beating up a little kid whose parents are getting divorced and they only have 2 nice toys and one’s going to get thrown away soon anyway
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Here is what I’d come next fall:
1. Keep Kouzmanoff at 3B, you are not going to get Cuddyer or Ramirez. Kouzmanoff can give you .260-.270, 15-20 HRs, 70 RBI, with above average defense that I can tolerate
2. Go after Grady Seizmore and put him in LF, that would be an upgrade from what we have.
3. Keep Millwood as he can eat innings and keep you in games, go after another 3-5 starter in UFA or trade. Mainly because of Nicasio’s and DLRs health. Hopefully by June Pomeranz is ready to be added to rotation.
4. Explore options at 2B, not many great options, Maybe give Nelson full time shot.
Lineup would be:
1. Fowler CF
2. Sizemore LF
3. Gonzalez RF
4. Tulo SS
5. Helton 1B
6. Kouzmanoff 3B
7. Ianetta/Rosario (platoon situation) C
8. Nelson
9. Pitcher
Smith, Wigginton, Giambi off bench as main replacements
Rotation:
1. Chacin
2. White
3. UFA
4. Rogers
5. Millwood
only until Pomeranz, DLR and Nicasio are ready then:
1. Chacin
2. DLR
3. Pomeranz
4. White
5. UFA/Nicasio
I like some of these ideas
but would substitute Nelson for Ellis, and Sizemore for a decent platoon RH bat to pair with Smith.
I’m (sadly) onboard with Millwood to start off next season.
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Go get some real talent
I don’t see enough improvement in the line up or the rotation you have here to get excited. With these guys you would just be rerunning this tyear.
You have to know at least one of the SPs will get injured. Who is there to pick up the slack? There is not enough depth on the list. Pomeranz is big question mark still and so far White has not lit up. I like the idea of keeping Millwood. But you got to have another top of the rotatin guy if you expect to survive.
I would go after some high grain position players no matter what. Let Giambi go play for the AL. Sizemore is OK, but the problem (at least this year) for the Rox has been the infield not the outfield. We need people hitting above .310.
by Real Perspective on Aug 31, 2011 12:45 PM MDT up reply actions
I think I'd keep Ellis around
I think his above average defense will benefit the young pitchers as they transition. I’m not sure what Sizemore offers at this point over Smith other than an awesome past and injury problems…
I’m totally on board with the Kouzmanoff idea.
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Well, he certainly wouldn't hurt the HAR:)
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Sizemore that is
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hottie above replacement?
he’s more of a cutie than a hottie
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Handsome Above Replacement
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is he more so than Smith?!?!!
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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Sizemore is a terrible idea.
He’s terrible.
by DumbAndNerdy on Aug 31, 2011 11:03 AM MDT up reply actions
Sizemore can't stay healthy
I think throwing money at a player with his injury history is a bad idea.
by Utah Rockies Fan on Aug 31, 2011 11:15 AM MDT up reply actions
Even when he hasn't been injured,
he’s been horrible over the past few years. He strikes out 1/3 of the time. He’s just bad. The name seems exciting because he was so good for three years. But he’s horrible now.
by DumbAndNerdy on Aug 31, 2011 11:17 AM MDT up reply actions
I'd rather have Hammel in the rotation than Rogers.
Rogers is a bullpen arm, I’m almost positive of that now.
I don’t HATE Sizemore, I just don’t think it’s a good idea. If you’re going to sign an OF, we’re going to need to trade some of the OF depth we have (Wheeler, Blackmon).
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 31, 2011 12:33 PM MDT up reply actions
I have a question
if the biggest issue with Rogers is that hitters just get too good of a look at his pitches, wouldn’t that still be a problem in the bullpen? Would this issue be exacerbated if we then try to use Rogers in medium and high leverage roles?
I don’t know what to do with Rogers but I think given that he has pretty decent stuff and and a respectable minor league track record, he needs to shift his mechanics a bit to hide the ball (provided that doesn’t screw up everything else)
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
He does need to fix his mechancis to hide the ball.
But in the bullpen, it would minimize the problem.
As a starter, the team sees your pitches more. The more pitches they see, the more they can recognize what he’s going to throw based on how early he shows the ball. Rogers has a plus fastball, and should be able to throw it even harder as a bullpen arm. Good, hard slider. You can live off those two pitches, but he also is working on a changeup.
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 31, 2011 12:56 PM MDT up reply actions
I agree with this
though I’d add we should just try to trade him then for a legit bullpen arm if such a thing is possible
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--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Honestly, I'd rather have Rogers.
He’s a great competitor and has a good mentality for the bullpen (IMO).
He’s a sleeper for me right now. Could be an elite bullpen arm.
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 31, 2011 12:59 PM MDT up reply actions
In the Belisle/Roenicke realm?
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Sizemore..Too much of an injury risk. Willingham is the one who we should go for
Prediction----> Cargo and Tulo will both have over 30 homers this year
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pot, kettle, kettle, pot
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The Rockies can't be fixed this offseason...
Unless we go to a $100 million payroll, and both Pom/White come out of ST blazing hot and establish themselves immediately as rotation stalwarts, we’ll likely not be any better next year. However, with some better luck and perhaps smarter managerial decsions, we still could reach or slightly exceed .500. That’s about our ceiling, though, realistically.
I see the Rockies entering a multiyear losing skein, unfortunately. May not be as bad as the pre GenR junk of the early to mid ’00’s, but it won’t be as fun as we’d like.
Why....
Glasses not purple tinted enough for you, or for PR? This type of response by you is mindless.
Whatever, man.
1) He’s joking.
2) If you’re trying to be controversial, you’re not. You actually need to back up your proclamations with reasons. Without reasons, they’re just hot air.
by DumbAndNerdy on Aug 31, 2011 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions
Reason #1...
Aside from Tulo/Cargo, we aren’t very talented.
Reason #2 – We have no immediate offensive help of the farm.
Need I go on?
Both of those points are debatable, but let's accept them as absolute truths. This might explain 2012.
But how do you get multiyear losing skein from that? How many years is multiyear?
by DumbAndNerdy on Aug 31, 2011 11:45 AM MDT up reply actions
this season, should it end the way it likely will
makes it a multiyear skid. so, it can go ahead and stop next year!
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I don't get his response either, but let's not jump into personal attacks
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2011 11:25 AM MDT up reply actions
I disagree.
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I semi-disagree
I mean, it’s not like PR was the sole beacon of optimism coming into 2011. We had concrete reasons for hoping for success, and many of those reasons remain.
The question is, which areas of which good things were predicted will produce good things in the future, and which areas NEED to be fixed? I suspect we’ll have to get lucky next season (for a value of lucky), but not that lucky unless the Dbacks turn into 100-game winners.
White, Pomeranz, Tulo, Cargo, Rosario, Fowler, Brothers, Wheeler, Arenado, Rutledge, Bettis, Gardner, Blackmon
There’s an awful lot to look forward to in the next couple of years. Will it translate into success? Uncertain. But it should at least be something to watch, and a much higher quality of product than the first couple seasons of Gen R.
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Well, this is assuming that Blackmon, Rutledge, Wheeler, and a few others actually pan out and aren't just 4th OF options
I’m not as bleak as GoRoxGo, but I’m not sold on them rounding out the offense in a completely beneficial way.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2011 11:26 AM MDT up reply actions
I would hate to see Rutledge play in the OF...
I’m not sold on them either, but it would be a fun experiment. Dex is decent, Cargo is great.
Let’s just find a RH platoon partner and see if the other guys pan out into something more.
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I was thinking about it this morning.
Why do we do with Blackmon/Wheeler if we do get a RH platoon OF?
I’d package Wheeler for an arm. His value is going to be sky high this offseason, SELL HIGH please.
But what about Charlie? Lots of questions the Rockies FO need to figure out this offseason.
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 31, 2011 12:28 PM MDT up reply actions
Blackmon has shown the ability to hit LHP throughout the minors
I haven’t heard any complaints about Dex switch hitting anymore (because it’s not an issue).
Cargo
Fowler
Smith
Blackmon
RH platoon partner (Gomes?)
Wheeler starts in AAA next year, called up in case of injury or struggles
I’ll go to battle with that outfield.
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I'd rather just trade Wheeler and use Blackmon as depth.
Smith/RH platoon partner in LF.
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 31, 2011 12:35 PM MDT up reply actions
This is kind of where I'm at.
Wheeler may very well never have another season like this again, and I would very much like the Rockies to start selling high on some prospects.
Yep.
Gawwd, I really hope DOD trades Wheeler this offseason.
Emergency OF: Herrera/Wigginton.
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 31, 2011 12:38 PM MDT up reply actions
If we could get Daniel Murphy straight up for Wheeler
do you do it?
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Where would he play?
Are we sure he’d have multiple good seasons? I’m not sold on Murphy by any stretch.
If we’re going to trade Wheeler, use him in a bigger deal surrounded by other prospects.
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I agree that we should package Wheeler for a bigger name.
But Murphy would solve the 2B problem.
I’d do it. I would think about it for a bit.. But ultimately I’d pull the trigger.
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 31, 2011 12:50 PM MDT up reply actions
/sigh
I would probably do it as well.
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I'd play Murphy at 1b vs RhP and Todd vs LHP and primary pinch hitter.
I’d rather trade wheeler for Headley.
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No way.
Todd/Murphy platoon?
Murphy would become the starter at 2B.
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 31, 2011 12:52 PM MDT up reply actions
Murphy keeps getting hurt at 2b because he's awful at the pivot.
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I'm not sure about this...
Fielding pct looks solid at 2B though. I dunno.
But platooning him with Helton at 1B is.. no offense or anything.. but foolish.
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 31, 2011 12:57 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm not saying he can't catch the ball; he's decent in the infield not great.
His foot work has always been bad at the double play pivot; and his injuries happen there. He actually surprised people that he was decent at 1b with his footwork.
As for plattooning Todd; Why do Wiggy and Giambi exist on this team but to give Todd time off?
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He's been most productive offensively at 1b and sss 3b.
Ditto defense
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Headley, yes.
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I might be the only one
I would like to see Blackmon get a chance to play with this team.
by Utah Rockies Fan on Aug 31, 2011 11:32 AM MDT up reply actions
I would too
I’m just not sold on him
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2011 11:33 AM MDT up reply actions
You are not alone; He needs to heal. untill he does he gets forgotten.
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"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
I can buy that one or two of those kids pan out...
or at least do better than our worthless scrubs this year such as Spilly. BUT for all of it to come together in one season and give us a well above .500 record is a stretch and unrealistic, IMO. This is a sub-.500 team as currently put together, and was way overrated by media and most fans coming into the season. People have to adjust their views and expect less going forward or they will be dsappointed once again.
This team could win the World Series in 5 games
And you’d complain that it wasn’t a sweep.
How the world will end in 2012: George of the Roses builds a Machine that Pommels everyone with La Violencia during Whiteouts.
Give me a break...
You don’t like realistic and sober commentary? Then just move on to the next comment. This attacking of me is just not necessary.
This, after you called someone mindless?
Nice.
Also, your use of realistic and sober here implies that commentary to the contrary is neither. So, it’s much the same as the comment above yours. Just saying.
by DumbAndNerdy on Aug 31, 2011 12:00 PM MDT up reply actions
Yes I did...
with the person who wrote “Banned”. I don’t throw the first punch.
You might not want to thrown any punches at all.
It’s a message board for a baseball team. Just a suggestion.
by DumbAndNerdy on Aug 31, 2011 12:05 PM MDT up reply actions
Can we stop bitching about who was first to get too defensive over a stupid joke?
People say “banned” all the time. It’s a regular joke.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2011 12:07 PM MDT up reply actions
one of these days, petro
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2011 12:08 PM MDT up reply actions
To the MOON Alice; To The MOON!
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fighting a losing battle, dude
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I have been on the 2011 expectations were too high soapbox several times.
I’ve been beaten mercilessly for it. Nevertheless, this team was easily an 85-win team at the beginning of the season. This is even looking at your lowest statistical predictions. The sheer folly of this team is pretty drastic.
This sounds like a ton of hindsight. I’d love to see you link to a comment before this season began in which you expressed the concerns above.
by DumbAndNerdy on Aug 31, 2011 11:59 AM MDT up reply actions
if only one or two of the 12 names I listed pan out, then we need to fire everyone
and I mean everyone
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What were your predictions at the beginning of this season?
by DumbAndNerdy on Aug 31, 2011 11:13 AM MDT up reply actions
I predicted the Rockies would not meet expectations...
They never do.
Why did you predict this?
Just because they never do?
by DumbAndNerdy on Aug 31, 2011 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions
hindsight 20/20 and all that
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Pretty much.
Some time next year the Rockies will be in the hunt and people will start saying, “I told you that they could compete in 2012!”
by DumbAndNerdy on Aug 31, 2011 11:47 AM MDT up reply actions
I've been saying that since the Ubaldo trade!
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I've watched too much baseball to rule anyone out for the next season in the middle
of the preceding season. Stuff happens all the time. Ask Kirk and the Snakes.
by DumbAndNerdy on Aug 31, 2011 12:06 PM MDT up reply actions
kind of hard to when they're predicted to cure cancer and colonize Mars.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2011 11:27 AM MDT up reply actions
look dude, Latin America is fully tapped by the major league teams
we all know Mars is the new hotbed for talent. Did you see what they did to the Earth’s Team in the Intragalactic Baseball Classic? Sure a lot of Earth’s players used it as spring training but damn man, it wasn’t even close.
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They really need to install a gravidor in Mars Stadium.
Until they do, that stadium is a complete joke. Who would want to pitch there?
by Shoemaker on Aug 31, 2011 12:37 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
Have they developed a reliable test for Martian PEDs?
Until then, I would stay away from Martian players.
Get well soon Juan.
You also can't trust their birth certificates.
A year on Mars is 687 days.
by DumbAndNerdy on Aug 31, 2011 1:13 PM MDT up reply actions
I think you are right about 2012
as for anything beyond that, I think there’s absolutely no basis to think so, no moreso than any other non-Yanks/Sox type organization. Players need to pan out.
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by TomCat009 on Aug 31, 2011 12:23 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I pretty much agree.
White hasn’t exactly impressed (I do realize it’s just two starts, but given the level of anticipation …), Chacin is a #2 starter at best until he demonstrates improved control, Helton probably won’t stay healthy/keep hitting at the same rate for much longer, and the rest of the offense behind Tulo and Cargo is pretty weak. I think Fowler/CDI/Smith have value, but they aren’t middle of the order pieces, and the prospects for improving at second and third, plus first when Todd slows down, are slim.
For next year, I see the Rockies as about a 78 win team, with a standard deviation of maybe 8 or 9 wins. After next year, depending on how Pomeranz and Nicasio turn out, they might more like an 84 win team. But the DBacks look poised to improve over the next few years, and I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Padres start to contend in a few years.
The prospects at 3rd look VERY good!
Arenado’s probably the best bat in the system and I really feel he’ll be ready at some point next year. It may take a bit of an adjustment period, but I think he’ll be at least an average ML 3B by 2013. Considering Rosario is a potential middle of the order bat at C, and should make his debut this year, there are a couple of very nice pieces close to making an impact. I’m less optimistic at 2nd though.
Arenado probably won't contribute next year though.
And is Rosario much of an upgrade over Iannetta? I ask because his minor league numbers don’t look as good. Even if he is better, it probably won’t be a huge difference (especially if Iannetta were utilized more efficiently). I’m not as pessimistic as GoRoxGo in that I could see improvement in 2013, but I’m not holding my breath for next year.
I do not want Giambi retained as an active player at any cost.
His being here obstructs finding an eventual replacement for Todd. Keeping him means you you will probably have to replace both simultaneously; with still no plan.
As for 3b I still prefer getting Headley over Wright and Ramerez because I expect both to regess. Headley brings what the Rox lack most . Consistant contact. Wright has been subject to long funks scince his beaning. Ramerez has always been Hawpe streaky.
Unless you are going to put Cuddyer at 1b I’d rather not have his and Giambi’s and Wiggy’s D on the same team; probably on the field at the same time! This years free agent pool does not look like a promising proposition to me. I’d rather cull in trades for prospects that are close to the majors that need a change of scene or are blocked. Risky yes; expensive no.
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I agree with you about Giambi
For the reasons you state, as well as the goofy manner in which he is used (or not used, as the case may be).
Last night was a good example. Game still vaguely within reach at 6-2 in the 6th, Rockies have two on, one out, and the pitchers’ spot coming up. But we can’t use Giambi to try to get back in the game, because it’s either “not late enough” or he’s not the actual tying run. So we send up EY – a player that might actually be needed to pinch run or play the OF later in the game. Not EY’s fault that he looped into a double play (thanks, Kouz), but the decision made no sense to me. You had the opportunity to send Giambi up against starter who was clearly tiring, but passed. Next thing you know it’s 7-2, you’re running out of opportunities, and it’s just another dogcrap loss in a season full of them.
Since his big power surge on Aug. 15-16, Giambi has 5 ABs, recording one single. That’s 5 ABs in half a month of play, coming right AFTER he finally produced something big in the late innings. I won’t deny he was a productive DH in the two series in which the Rockies actually use one, or that he’s had some good starts in Helton’s place. But this is a roster spot that seems to be a lot more about man-crush than it is about potential production.
by Northsider1964 on Aug 31, 2011 11:39 AM MDT up reply actions
How about we have a manager who will PH the big LHB over the crappy SHB?
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2011 11:41 AM MDT up reply actions
If we get a manager who will use Giambi to PH every game in a high leverage situation,
I’d be happy to keep the big guy on the team.
Keep Tracy, and Giambi just isn’t worth the roster spot.
keep giambi as manager
that’d be a neat thing to try for like 2 months.
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Giambi as PH, 2011:
4/27, 1 HR, 5 RBI, 15 k’s. .250 OBP, .509 OPS.
Call me crazy, but I’d rather use that roster spot on somebody who can give you reasonable defense, and maybe a platooon option to Todd (might as well give Todd his rest when you can replace with him a RH bat against lefties. And I don’t mean Wiffy, dammit!).
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by Junction Rox on Aug 31, 2011 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions
Giambi as a starter in 2011
92 PAs 304/.402/.772/1.174
Call me crazy but I’ll take those numbers with slightly below average defense on Todd’s days off any day. Who gives a crap about a platoon option when the backup is OPSing over 1.000
The crazy part is why he doesnt start on Helton’s off days MORE.
by purplesocks on Aug 31, 2011 11:53 AM MDT up reply actions
This goes back to my original point
I don’t really want him on the roster. But if he’s going to be on the roster, for God’s sake use him – and not just when he feels like playing.
by Northsider1964 on Aug 31, 2011 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions
I agree wtih you there
Need to use him more often
by purplesocks on Aug 31, 2011 11:57 AM MDT up reply actions
His primary job is pinch hitting
and he’s been awful. Yes, Andrew, AWFUL. :-)
It’s really not worth tying up a roster spot for him for 92 PA’s, and when you’ve tied your 1B position to two LH options. Get a good RH option to take some ABs against lefties off Todd’s plate, and to give us a decent RH bat off the bench. Or, hell, a decent PH bat period.
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by Junction Rox on Aug 31, 2011 11:57 AM MDT up reply actions
why does it matter that we have tied 1B to two LH options?
Giambi vs LH: .273/.407/.682/1.089
Helton vs LH: .286/.353/.436/.788 (vs LH Starters: 339/.420/.513/.933)
The problem is we don’t play Giambi more often. He should have more than 92 PAs as a starter.
by purplesocks on Aug 31, 2011 12:01 PM MDT up reply actions
So you want Todd to play less?
That’s the problem with having two LH players who can only play first. In order to play Giambi more, you put Todd’s bat on the bench. No other options. And because both are LH, you can’t even use games against LH to take those extra days away from Todd. Although, as you showed, it isn’t really necessary to take AB’s away from Todd against lefties. That still doesn’t change this team’s need for a RH bat not named Tulowitzki, and doesn’t change the fact that filling in for Todd when he gets a day off is one place we have the opportunity to add that.
I guess where we disagree is that you don’t see that as a problem. I do. I don’t want this team to waste a roster spot on a guy who is horrible at his primary role and redundant, if effective in a sss, in his secondary role.
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by Junction Rox on Aug 31, 2011 2:03 PM MDT up reply actions
no, I don't advocate taking starts away from Todd. I advocate giving Todd's existing 30-40 days off to Giambi and not Wiggy
The splits show that you do not need to worry about what hand the pitcher is when you do give Todd a day off. You don’t need to plan Todd’s days off around who’s pitching.
I am advocating that instead of going out and looking for a new backup for Todd, you already have a good one in Giambi and his 1.000+ OPS.
That right handed bat to complement Troy could be inserted in at 3B or a RF platoon with Smith
Wiggy has 65 PA's at 1B this year
2 fewer than Giambi. Add his AB’s at first to Giambi’s and you get 132. I won’t argue with you about giving all those to Giambi over Wiffy, but I still take issue with carrying a guy who is a massive black hole as a PH on the roster all season just to give him 150 (by the end of the year) plate appearances as a substitute. Especially when that player is old and offers no future value to the team, and offers no flexibility defensively. He plays one position, one position only (and doesn’t do that all that well…).
I just think the return of a few good games as a backup 1B isn’t worth tying up a roster spot all season. Especially when this team has been hurt over and over and over again by not being able to bring anybody off the bench to get a big hit late in the game.
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by Junction Rox on Aug 31, 2011 3:33 PM MDT up reply actions
I really hope "Wiffy" was intentional.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2011 3:34 PM MDT up reply actions
Wouldn't that be the two headed Stewie Wiggy 3B monster?
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Not intentionally
I’ve been making that typo since the day we signed him. My fingers were trying to tell me something even back then.
In the last month or so I’ve just quit fixing it. I really can’t see any reason to.
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by Junction Rox on Aug 31, 2011 3:37 PM MDT up reply actions
This x1000
But the only thing dumber than carrying Giambi on the roster, is carrying him on the roster and then not using him. This idea of “saving the Giambi card” for the 9th inning may give Drew Goodman a thrill, but in many games just like last night’s it doesn’t make any sense. If the team is determined to keep Giambi, I would much rather see him try to get the Rockies back into a game against a tiring rookie starter than flail helplessly at a 96 mph fastball in the 9th.
by Northsider1964 on Aug 31, 2011 3:41 PM MDT up reply actions
We have Spilly, Hererra, and EY on this team
I just don’t have a problem with Giambi taking up a spot and providing a big time bat for Todd’s days off when there are plenty of other wasted spots on the bench that can be upgraded.
Want to get a bigtime RH pinch hitter? Then just swap that player into one of those three scrub’s roster spots.
On any given pre-September day
you have 5 position players on your bench. 1 is the backup catcher. 1 is likely to be a MI, and on the roster more for his glove than his bat. If a third is a guy who absolutely sucks unless he’s starting at 1B, you’ve got a pretty short bench. 2 dependable bats off the bench doesn’t give an NL manager a lot of room to work with. A 150 PA guy with a poor glove and a poor PH bat is a major luxury, and it’s one I really don’t think this team has room for next year.
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by Junction Rox on Aug 31, 2011 4:03 PM MDT up reply actions
oh yeah, Giambi's been just atrocious as a PH
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2011 12:04 PM MDT up reply actions
With these numbers in mind
if Giambi was the guy who would DH in interleague and primarily give Helton days off, then why exactly do we have Wigginton? Looking at this past season it seems clear that Wigginton was useful, but if we’re to keep Kouzmanoff to play 3b, then what exactly is Wigginton’s function?
We don’t need him to really back up 3b (any injury to Kouzmanoff and we can either just find someone else for Kouz like we did with him in the first place, or perhaps use that as a time to audition Arenado), and we don’t need him to back up at first base with Giambi. We also don’t need Wigginton to sub in the middle-infield and given our depth in OF we don’t need him there.
I get the arguments that Giambi has a perplexing presence and that he’s been poor in pinch hitting situations, but 1. everyone does worse as a pinch hitter and 2. if we’re trying to free up cash for whatever, then I think Wigginton’s higher cost makes him much more expendable than Giambi…
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by black_knight101 on Aug 31, 2011 12:59 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
The fact that 100% of his ABs this year is a SSS
Ought to speak volumes by itself.
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his PH stats will always be a sss
how else are they supposed to be judged?
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by Junction Rox on Aug 31, 2011 2:07 PM MDT up reply actions
you probably shouldn't even bother judging them
that’s my point. 27 ABs isn’t even enough to stabilize contact %.
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by black_knight101 on Aug 31, 2011 2:22 PM MDT up reply actions
But he's our "Giambi card" off the bench
I really think it’s kind of important to take a look at how he’s done in that role.
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by Junction Rox on Aug 31, 2011 3:35 PM MDT up reply actions
sure you can evaluate him
But any evaluation made is going to be basically meaningless, especially when trying to decide if his numbers will be similar next year. 27 ABs is not a meaningful sample size. Period. See Herrera, Johnny.
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by black_knight101 on Aug 31, 2011 3:48 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
But when a guy can't play in the field
and can’t even run the bases for himself, and you spend a lot of energy touting him as your secret-weapon PH, you better get more than .80 pinch hits from him per month. Small sample size or no small sample size, one pinch hit every five weeks isn’t cutting it.
by Northsider1964 on Aug 31, 2011 3:59 PM MDT up reply actions
oh i agree with that
But that’s Tracy’s issue
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by black_knight101 on Aug 31, 2011 4:50 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
But what choice do you have?
Just keep throwing him out there in the role and hope that no matter how bad it gets, if the ss just gets big enough, he just might turn it around? We’re 5 months into the season, and only 1 player has more PA’s as a PH. If we can’t evaluate Giambi, you’re basically saying it’s impossible to evaluate anybody.
Sometimes you can’t just sit back and wait for the big sample size to grow. You have to work with the information you’ve got. Especially when it’s been saying exactly the same thing for the last 5 months.
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by Junction Rox on Aug 31, 2011 4:14 PM MDT up reply actions
the other option is to do what major league teams actually do
Which is to scout him. We unfortunately don’t have that luxury, but that doesn’t mean we should read into something that isn’t worth reading into.
I don’t know if Giambi is worth bringing back for next year, ir probably depends on what the rest of our roster looks like, but his line as a PH is not going to convince me one way or the other.
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by black_knight101 on Aug 31, 2011 4:52 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
But they can only scout the PA he has
And if those aren’t enough information to judge anything from, how are they getting anything from scouting him? Do they have crystal balls that let them glean information from PA’s that never happened that we can’t?
The bottom line is, this team has an OPS of .599 in PH situations. (Giambi’s is .509.) That’s not going to cut it, and it probably has a lot to do with the number of one run losses this team has. I really don’t think that ignoring the pitiful performance of their #1 high leverage PH option, simply because you want to have more data than any PH will ever generate in a season before you make a decision, is a great idea.
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by Junction Rox on Aug 31, 2011 5:09 PM MDT up reply actions
If his PH line is too small of a sample size to scout usefully
And his job is ostensibly to PH, doesn’t that belie a wasted roster spot just as much as the poor numbers in the SSS do?
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But it's not like they brought Giambi back in 2011
to be a big-time pinch-hitter.
Oh, wait – that’s exactly why they brought him back. I get confused, because the story keeps changing to whatever justifies his spot on the team.
by Northsider1964 on Aug 31, 2011 11:53 AM MDT up reply actions
How about we upgrade the crappy SHB?
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by Junction Rox on Aug 31, 2011 11:45 AM MDT up reply actions
Still rolls back to Tracy though
this late inning PH/Bullpen stuff is a big chess match. He’s playing checkers.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2011 11:46 AM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
Oh, I totally agree with that too...
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by Junction Rox on Aug 31, 2011 11:49 AM MDT up reply actions
More like Shogi the way he uses the bull pen.
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Giants just DFA'd Miguel Tejada
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AND Aaron Rowand
Whoa.
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Is this the start of a surrender by the Gints?
Are they going to bring up prospects to replace these guys?
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by Junction Rox on Aug 31, 2011 11:38 AM MDT up reply actions
(they don't have any)
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flags fly forever!
/remembers last year
/oh crap
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by Junction Rox on Aug 31, 2011 11:41 AM MDT up reply actions
purchased the contract of Brett Pill
(read: Joe Koshansky)
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The Giants are eating $12 million on Rowand’s contract for 2012.
Oof.
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hell, sign him out of spite
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2011 11:46 AM MDT up reply actions
we'd use him as late-inning PH
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but only in the 9th or something
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2011 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions
"No Sabes, we're not going to play him
we just wanted you to know that you’re paying one of our players $12 million. Have a nice day."
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by Junction Rox on Aug 31, 2011 11:52 AM MDT up reply actions
I think it's a serious warning re: Cuddyer this offseason
offensive player coming off good contract year, but with limited defensive ability
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uh oh
does this mean we can’t count on the Giants to make stupid acquisitions over the offseason?
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They are paying Rowand, Zito and Tejada almost as much as the Marlins
are paying their 25 man
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no i think we can still count on the giants giving beltran some ridiculous contract
by purplesocks on Aug 31, 2011 12:45 PM MDT up reply actions
unless he just DL's his way out of consideration
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of course, if they don't sign him
then that mean’s we’ll be hearing a lot of chatter about how he’s the panacea to our outfield problems (which I’m not totally convinced exist)
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Whoaa hooo hooooooo.
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 31, 2011 12:28 PM MDT up reply actions
McC rejoices
Worshiping the holy trinity of Cargo, Tulo, and Ubaldo
by squalene203 on Aug 31, 2011 12:42 PM MDT up reply actions
At least this will prevent any young, aspiring ballplayers out there
from witnessing any more Aaron Rowand at-bats.
That stance can only be described as a really homely stripper practicing her pole dance, while simultaneously sitting on the toilet.
by Northsider1964 on Aug 31, 2011 1:05 PM MDT up reply actions
So why did they do this BEFORE the roster expansion?
If somebody could give me a reasonable explanation, I’d really appreciate it.. Not just the obvious “they suck” post
I guess I just don’t see why they ate the money and cut the players when they didn’t HAVE to.
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 31, 2011 1:08 PM MDT up reply actions
he's coming here
crap
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2011 11:33 AM MDT up reply actions
So We acan haz Rowand and Tejada's luagh in! :-)
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dude bring back Canseco at this point
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2011 11:36 AM MDT up reply actions
Replacing Martin with Tejada?
Sooooooooooooo not a good deal…
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by Junction Rox on Aug 31, 2011 11:36 AM MDT up reply actions
That's the point!
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I should clarify
the Rockies have been interested in Tejada in the past. He is now available.
Crap.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2011 11:38 AM MDT up reply actions
worst of all
he even played for the athletics…. with ellis, AND giambi
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by Utah Rockies Fan on Aug 31, 2011 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions
or that anyone in the front office has read moneyball
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I'd be surprised if a few of them haven't read it.
I doubt too many abide by it, but it’s not like we’ve got Joe Morgan in our front office.
If we sign Miguel Effing Tejada I might lose it just a little bit.
I would rather let Wigginton have the 3B job every day than have Miguel Tejada on this team.
the guy is a winner!
He had 238 RBIs like 7 years ago. We’ve had difficulty scoring runs. We need Tejada, we can slide Tulo over to 2b. Boom, problem(s) solved.
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by Resolution on Aug 31, 2011 12:44 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thankfully Tulo protects us from things like Keppinger, Tejada, OCab, Renteria and Uribe
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I like the idea of Tulo as a mediocre, veteran infielder kryptonite
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You know the Rockles drafted Matt Harrington a couple spots ahead of Utley?
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recced for being the greatest idea of all time
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Oh, he's coming here
and in the next month he’ll be starting 15 games in LF in place of Smith, 8 in place of Kouz/Ellis/Nelson at 2B/3B and 3 games at C (just because…)
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by Junction Rox on Aug 31, 2011 11:40 AM MDT up reply actions
OH HEY HOCKEY SEASON IS STARTING
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Wallowing for Washington!!
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Junction Rox on Aug 31, 2011 11:52 AM MDT up reply actions
Let's see now... Tulo gets hurt and Todd needs a day off.
We have an infield going around the horn of Cuddyer ,Tejada , Wiggy and Giambi. Marvelous!
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We had better not grab him. Its a waste of time and money
Prediction----> Cargo and Tulo will both have over 30 homers this year
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I have a terrible feeling that 2012 is going to be a Holding Pattern year.
Saving a few dollars for 2013 FA, allowing Pomeranz/White to settle, Nicasio/JDLR to get fully healthy, and throw some top-priority position prospects at some significant playing time.
Then enter 2013 FA with a clearer idea of what to throw money at.
Somewhat feel the same.
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We're so making it to the WS next year.
by DumbAndNerdy on Aug 31, 2011 11:51 AM MDT up reply actions
BAND
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I don't care if Johnny Herrera is the WS MVP
as long as we win the freaking WS.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2011 11:53 AM MDT up reply actions
i would think wigginton winning would be far, far more offensive that herrera
because it would mean he was still on the team
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by black_knight101 on Aug 31, 2011 1:01 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
well, i'll care
if only so i can say “how the F*** did we beat the yankees, with ty wigginton as series MVP?”
but only after months of drunken celebration
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No way: Even Year
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Agreed with this...
but still afraid we may have more sub .500 seasons than 2012 in front of us.
2012 may be a "rebuilding year"
But in 2013 we’ll have a very, very good rotation, solid bullpen and Cargo and Tulo at the height of their power. Back off from the ledge, buddy.
How the world will end in 2012: George of the Roses builds a Machine that Pommels everyone with La Violencia during Whiteouts.
Hope springs eternal...
And I want to hope too, but this constant underachievement has me really irked this year. Except for 2007 and 2009, we have never met or exceeded expectations.
I no longer want to live on “hope”, I want to live on results.
You want to talk results?
The Rockies are one of 6 teams that have multiple playoff appearances and a pennant since 2007, and three of the other five (Philly, Boston, the Yankees) have virtually unlimited resources. I’m not going to complain about that kind of success, but I suppose you’re free to do so.
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Hmm that could definitely happen.
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by CentralCaliRox on Aug 31, 2011 12:30 PM MDT up reply actions
As much talk about Michael Cuddyer I have seen lately
I really don’t see him leaving the Twins…he has been there a while and from the feeling I get around all the Twins fans and such is that he will likely stay a Twin for life
A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves
If DOD plans on keeping Tracy
He should just go ahead and trade Nelson and Ianneta this offseason
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by SurfaceThought on Aug 31, 2011 11:53 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
as well as finding a perma platoon parter for Seth Smith
its like the buddy system
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by waterboy31321 on Aug 31, 2011 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions
This is exactly where the front office has to get involved
If O’Dowd is going to let Tracy make the permanent call that Smith is just a platoon player (which is obviously what Tracy has decided), then O’Dowd has to find a legit. RH-hitting outfielder to partner with Smith. (Or trade Smith, with Blackmon/Wheeler lurking.) No declining Spilly, no Wiggy in the OF, no EY2 running (fast) in circles in the OF. Tracy’s lineup decision forces a personnel decision.
The options are: (1) Order Tracy to play Smith every day (not going to happen, or it would’ve been done by now).
(2) Trade Smith.
(3) Get a decent RH-hitting OF. (Aaron Rowand need not apply)
(4) Fire Tracy.
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can we also just play CarGo in right field
where his arm is a plus and Smith in left field, where his meh arm is respectable and where he’s actually posted positive numbers in the past?
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I want
1.) Tracy gone doesn’t do much to help, but nothing in this teams attitude, confidence, or execution says he needs to come back. Not laying it all at his feet but it is time to move on.
2.)2B/3B fixed A flyer on Kelly Johnson and a trade for Headley would be perfect, never happen but I would be all for it. Kouz/Ellis seems a lot more likely which wouldn’t be the end of the world if they just signed
3.)Josh Willingham. The Hammer would be an excellent replacement for Wiggy in the 6 hole and his ability to play some 1B would give Todd some rest, and his .882 career Ops against LHP would look really good there.
4.) Trade Wiggy/Smith/Lindstrom anyone not named Todd/Tulo/Cargo/Fowler/Iannetta/Chacin/Pomeranz/White/Nicasio/Brothers to fix holes in our team.
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My name is Thnikkaman
And I approve of this plan.
But I would be sad to see Seth go.
Get well soon Juan.
only problem with kelly johnson, who i also covet
is that kevin towers would get 2 draft picks if they offer him arb and he signs with us
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ah yes, i forgot
more okay with that, but i really don’t want DOD talking to AA at all, since he’ll probably use his voodoo and make us give him cargo and pomeranz as well as draft picks
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AA has some major VooDoo
I give him credit for getting the Angels to take Vernon Wells’ contract. DOD should have taken note and gave them Aaron Cook if they wanted bad contracts!!
by Utah Rockies Fan on Aug 31, 2011 1:45 PM MDT up reply actions
He had to sacrifice Mike Napoli on an altar to get the deal done
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I would only approve
of the Johnson flyer if he not a type A I wouldn’t want to lose a pick for him, in that scenario I would rather have Ellis. If we could swing a Wheeler centered Headley trade and sign Josh Willingham I would be fine with a Ellis/Field combo at second
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Do not like Johnson
WAY too many K’s.
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his high before this year was 22%
which is what cargo posted in 09 and 10…
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LHB 20/20 2B with decent defense on the FA market are going to have some flaws
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The rest of the team K's too much, too.
If it weren’t an organization-wide weak spot, it wouldn’t be as big of a deal.
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Playing at altitude will always result in K's would you rather have Eckstein? Keppinger
They don’t K much but that is almost their only skill
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That's exactly why I don't want him at altitude
If he K’s like that normally, why would we want that much suck at altitude?
Playing at altitude and in pitcher’s parks when you’re not at altitude requires putting the ball in play and getting on base. A roster of High K/High HR hitters won’t win in Purple Pinstripes. Just ask Ian Stewart.
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Fair enough but unless you can point to a decent contact 2B that is available
we will have to take what we can get. If we had signed O-Dog in 09 we wouldn’t have this problem
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Infante's available.
Heh.
I think it has to be a change in organizational philosophy. Strike outs = Bad. Ball in play, Walks = Good. Heck, it might even help in discerning the pyrite from the gold when looking at lines down in the Springs.
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Not sure if it has been covered but we are sending only 3 to the AFL
Arenado, Wheeler, and Paulsen…. Would like to see a few more
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that's only the position players
pitchers are chosen separately apparently
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Good to hear I hope Pom, Gardner, Matzek, and maybe Weathers
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Matzek can't
we already have a below AA player with Arenado.
definitely think Weathers should go. Pom depending on how much they want to get him more innings (they probably do). I’m kind of meh on all the other pitchers.
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by black_knight101 on Aug 31, 2011 2:34 PM MDT up reply actions
Pom is almost certain to go, just because his innings were limited this year
Friedrich is a likely choice, but I am indifferent on the others.
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by black_knight101 on Aug 31, 2011 2:41 PM MDT up reply actions
I think Gardner should definitely go, Friedrich, Escalona as well
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Escalona?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 31, 2011 6:33 PM MDT up reply actions
I tried to get into the OT and there is a virus or something on there. It wouldn't let me in
My computer told me
Prediction----> Cargo and Tulo will both have over 30 homers this year
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email it to support@sbnation.com, including your operating system and browser.
But mine seems to be running fine
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2011 4:43 PM MDT up reply actions
well it was telling me that www.purplerow.com is the virus...
I was like WTF??
Prediction----> Cargo and Tulo will both have over 30 homers this year
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not sure what to tell you without being able to see a screenshot or something
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2011 5:02 PM MDT up reply actions
Tulo not playing tonight per Renck
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This is not a lineup that will win, I fear.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2011 4:47 PM MDT up reply actions
KEVIN KOUZMANOFF CLEANUP HITTER.
FFFFFFFFFFF.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Aug 31, 2011 4:49 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I love that Alfonzo is batting 7th. Love it
I swear, Tracy says to himself “God, I want to shoehorn more crappy players into the lineup…let’s see, I already have 1 #8 hitter batting 2nd, another one batting 4th, and I want to put Herrera in, but he’d need to bat 8th, and friggin Iannetta is already batting 8th. GOD, WHY CAN’T HE BAT ANYWHERE ELSE… wait, I know! I’ll play Alfonzo! He can bat somewhere other than 8th so I can put Herrera in the 8! It’s perfect!”
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2011 4:51 PM MDT up reply actions
God forbid bat Iannetta cleanup for one game.
oh he might get some more hits or walks, especially with runners on base.
NOPE, FOR FFFFFFFFFFFFF’S SAKE CAN’T HAVE THAT HAPPEN
FFFFFFFFFFF.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Aug 31, 2011 4:55 PM MDT up reply actions
There's a rare lineup when CDI should bat cleanup, anyway.
And in most of those lineups, he’s probably not in it to begin with. I get the frustration about CDI, but Alfonzo batted cleanup once, I believe. Yet the PR meme would suggest he bats cleanup every time he plays.
The fact that Tracy feels like he can bat Alfonzo cleanup in a tight spot is really what everyone's driving at
He’d never – NEVER bat Iannetta higher than 7th.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2011 4:58 PM MDT up reply actions
chris iannetta has 10 career PAs hitting 4th
and no more than 182 anywhere other than 7th or 8th.
#catcherhits8th
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those 182 were in the 6 in 2008, right?
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2011 4:58 PM MDT up reply actions
yessir
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how sad is it that I miss Clint Hurdle
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2011 5:00 PM MDT up reply actions
we should have a get together with pirates fans
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the PR meme would suggest he bats cleanup every time he plays.
nope.
Thats what Tulo is for. The rare time Tulo DOES need an off day, Iannetta is good option for one game.
FFFFFFFFFFF.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Aug 31, 2011 4:59 PM MDT up reply actions
silly fans
you don’t bat the catcher 4th unless he’s brian mccann
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2011 5:01 PM MDT up reply actions
it's not even the "RAHHHH CHRIS IANNETTA!!!!!1" thing
it’s “Jim Tracy hates TTO batters, and thereby hurts the lineup by not playing them”
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2011 5:03 PM MDT up reply actions
TTO took me a second, but I figured it out.
And yeah, I know. But the catcher position in general just has taken up too much of my PR attention span over the years. My eyes just start to glaze over now. It’s mostly a pathological response.
I understand
if Iannetta were regularly batting 6th I doubt I’d say a peep about the position.
Also if Stewart were worth his weight, I’d be probably raging about him.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2011 5:07 PM MDT up reply actions
that's about as true as it gets
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2011 4:52 PM MDT up reply actions
at least alfonzo isn't hitting cleanup
CAN’T LET IANNETTA DO IT, THOUGH. CAN’T EVEN PLAY HIM, EITHER.
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How many hits did he have last night??!?!?
#firetracy
FFFFFFFFFFF.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Aug 31, 2011 4:51 PM MDT up reply actions
well, Iannetta went 3-for-7 in the first 2 games of the series.
Nevermind that off day, Alfonzo needs at bats.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2011 4:52 PM MDT up reply actions
"need his bat in our lineup"
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well, we can't throw out a crappy lineup without filling it with crappy batters, right?
ALFONZO, AHOYYYY
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2011 4:54 PM MDT up reply actions
.242/.286/.303
no, those aren’t typos.
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.246 > .230 or whatever the crap it is
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2011 4:56 PM MDT up reply actions
787 OPS < 589 OPS apparently.
FFFFFFFFFFF.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Aug 31, 2011 4:57 PM MDT up reply actions
damn, he's down to 787?
that sucks
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2011 4:58 PM MDT up reply actions
jose bautista's SLG is higher than alfonzo's OPS
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by black_knight101 on Aug 31, 2011 5:05 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
you're right, you're right.
here’s his career line:
.237/.268/.376
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2011 5:06 PM MDT up reply actions
thats at least a more convincing argument
Trust me im not a huge fan of the Fonz other than his name.
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by black_knight101 on Aug 31, 2011 5:08 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I know you're not
I’m getting people stirred up for some stupid reason.
I honestly don’t care that Iannetta isn’t starting, he started the first 2 games.
It’s more frustration with his personnel choices based on the batting type.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2011 5:09 PM MDT up reply actions
yeah...i am starting to understand why Tracy doesnt like Iannetta though
I noticed yesterday that 8.7 % of his ABs end in Ks looking. Twice the MLB average. Do we really want a dude that’s going to stare at strike three batting in a clutch situation/higher in the order? Its aggrevating because Iannetta is a very valuable player, but understandable if you look at it from the “I’ve been around MLB baseball all my life and that’s not how you play baseball” POV that Tracy has
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by black_knight101 on Aug 31, 2011 5:20 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Which slot in the order comes up in clutch situations the most?
banishing someone to 8th isn’t a panacea for preventing them from ruining unclutch situations.
What’s the rest of the team’s KL%?
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2011 5:22 PM MDT up reply actions
good q...im about to jump on my computer so ill do some research
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by black_knight101 on Aug 31, 2011 5:24 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
ok for the kL%. MLB average is 4.5%. SSS warning on some of these.
Dex 7.5 (although I’d imagine it’s much lower since the ASB…dunno where to find that)
Ellis 4.7 % (3.0 % in OAK)
CarGo 3.3%
Tulo 4.8%
Helton 4.5%
Smith 3.6 %
Stew 8.8%
EY2 4.5%
Nelson 4.3%
Iannetta 8.6%
Fonz 0.0 …. <——— and why am I not surprised
Morales 1.4
oh and by the way, Nolan Arenado’s kL% this year in A+ is 0.4%. 2 K’s looking all season.
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by black_knight101 on Aug 31, 2011 5:41 PM MDT up reply actions
i can't wait for arenado
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Swing and a miss!
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SSS or not, that's his line
and it’s not like he’s got a screaming line-drive rate and miniscule BABIP just begging to regress, or elite minor league stats
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ha, he actually does have a baller LD% and low BABIP.
but he still sucks.
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holy smokes, yeah he does
START ELIZER ALFONZO FOREVER
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2011 5:10 PM MDT up reply actions
seriously
that would be good for 3rd in MLB if he qualified.
i think i need to sit down.
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and LD % is one of the first to stabalize...haha
Although I don’t think he has enough PAs yet
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by black_knight101 on Aug 31, 2011 5:22 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
this explains it
Somebody must have told Tracy about BABIP
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he needs a sweet middle name
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oh, it's apparently "Jesus"
Eliezar Jesus Alfonzo
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excellent typo
intentional?
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the hell you say
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JIM TRACY IS AN EFFING IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Could Tulo be hurt since he took that pitch to his fingers?
Or did he make Jimmyboy mad enough last night that he got benched?
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I'm gonna guess the former
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2011 5:06 PM MDT up reply actions
yea that would be my guess also.
But, he is only 6 for 52 against the D-Bags this year. That is only a .115 average. Plus, he could use the break I suppose. We may not like it but its something we have to deal with
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Calm down, dude.
It’s just one off day. Out of the very small handful he gets all year.
He may be sore. He may also just need a day (not to mention he hits terribly against AZ). I seriously doubt Tracy is punishing him for anything.
Oh, I am calm. There are much worse things I could say about him as Im sure everyone else would like to.
But since we are a PG rated blog. I will keep a civil tounge. However, one of these days, we need to have a thread where everyone can go over there and voice their honest opinions on Jim and not get banned for it.
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Plenty of people voice their honest opinions.
And aside from the language rules, anything else that could get you banned is probably more personal than Tracy deserves.
Holly is pretty much the best
Some days, I feel like I’ve accidentally entered the Church of Tulowitzki on Baseball Easter.
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No no no. I wouldn't attack Jim on a personal level. Not my style.
I don’t say alot about his managing. He is the one getting paid to do it. Therefore, OUR opinions do no good. This is the last thing I am saying on it.
Prediction----> Cargo and Tulo will both have over 30 homers this year
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
ಠ_ಠ
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2011 5:16 PM MDT up reply actions
Thats neato. Have no idea how you did it. But, its cool
Prediction----> Cargo and Tulo will both have over 30 homers this year
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
I would like to know what this represents?
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it's two eyes and a mouth
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2011 5:20 PM MDT up reply actions
a straight mouth like that is
Telling me to shut my mouth before I get into big trouble. LOL
Prediction----> Cargo and Tulo will both have over 30 homers this year
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
Yes I get that part.
But what emotion or expression is it trying to convey?
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for the love of God
Say what you want about the manager, but if you can’t maintain a civil tongue, you shouldn’t be around this site.
I think Jim Tracy is a godawful manager and he raises my blood pressure. Well, him and the 32oz of gravy I drink daily.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2011 5:14 PM MDT up reply actions
well there's no way that combination is good for you
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Now listen
You doctors have been telling us to drink 4 glasses of gravy daily.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2011 5:16 PM MDT up reply actions
4 shot glasses, not regular glasses
you’ve been seeing weird doctors
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AMart
I love this site. I wouldn’t do anything to put myself in jeopardy like that. I haven’t called for Jim’s head on a platter. He may not be the best for us anymore because of some of the stuff that he does with the lineup. Does he trot the best lineup out there everyday? NOPE. Can he do it everyday? Maybe…He has his own style and we may not like it but it is something we have to live with day to day.
Prediction----> Cargo and Tulo will both have over 30 homers this year
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
I'm saying we don't need an announcement of the "PG" rating that isn't really the case.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2011 5:22 PM MDT up reply actions
it's actually pg-13
you can slip a penis in there’s no mods around
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
2012: get ready for White Pomz!
heh...you said ...hehe hehehee
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shh, don't tell anybody
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
2012: get ready for White Pomz!
Ok, I will just stay clean,
Prediction----> Cargo and Tulo will both have over 30 homers this year
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
I LOVE 7/11 selling gravy big gulps
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Junction Rox on Aug 31, 2011 5:25 PM MDT up reply actions
.
FFFFFFFFFFF.
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Aug 31, 2011 5:26 PM MDT up reply actions
This oddly seems like
there should be some maple syrup involved….
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WRONG.
FFFFFFFFFFF.
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Aug 31, 2011 5:28 PM MDT up reply actions
I think it's just because of the picture.....
feels Vermonty maple syrupy
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It's part of Jones Holiday soda pack
FFFFFFFFFFF.
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Aug 31, 2011 5:32 PM MDT up reply actions
did you ever see the video where the guy tried drinking all of these and just barfed everywhere?
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2011 6:38 PM MDT up reply actions
I can imagine
Those sodas have as much sugar in them as a whole pie
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 31, 2011 6:41 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Time is money playa!
I need my sugar now without the ‘I just ate a whole pie’ food coma to boot!
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
So Iannetta plays 2 days
and goes 3 for 4 yesterday and he gets benched on a day with a weak lineup and when we also have an off day tomorrow?
And yet we’re all discussing why we’re wasting Giambi’s roster spot and all of the great things that roster spot could be going toward instead?
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
you could at least rationalize 2/3 starting
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2011 6:39 PM MDT up reply actions
In general with two catchers this divergent in ability?
or compared to what we’ve recently experienced?
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
watch out for Eliezer Alfonzo's 26% LD % and .270 BABIP
/runs and hides
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by black_knight101 on Aug 31, 2011 6:42 PM MDT up reply actions
he'll gitcha
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2011 6:42 PM MDT up reply actions
/also runs and hides, but runs and hides from Eliezer Alfonzo
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
probably wouldn't have to run very far
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2012: get ready for White Pomz!
maybe he'll just throw me out as I run
and by doing so earn a 45/55 playing time split with CDI
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
according to the Rockies front office
thou shalt not play thine catcher 75% of the time
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2011 6:42 PM MDT up reply actions
Among my least favorite of the Rockies 10 Commandments.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I mean
I could see it if Iannetta was losing playing time to this guy
But he’s not.
Also, I think I’m going to just watch that video for 3 hrs on loop than the game. It may be more entertaining…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Okay that made me laugh
And reconfirms CDI’s HAR is in the top 5 on the team :P
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Hey!
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Also, I keep wanting to call this guy "Father Guido Sarducci"
just because of the stache
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I agree with a small amendment
I want to keep calling Father Guido Sarducci ‘Domingo Ayala’ because of the stache
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Father Guido Domingo Ayala Sarducci?
"I think I speak for everyone in here when I say: It''s playoffs or bust"- Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
also icwydt
"I think I speak for everyone in here when I say: It''s playoffs or bust"- Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
Is CDI
above or below Studly Sizemore?
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Above. Sizemore would be like 20
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hah nice
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Also Renck tweets
Part of reason he lost playing time is bc defense regressed RT @ScTumi @TroyRenck run Seth’s August numbers…
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(also I think I may be addicted to Twitter)
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I can see that
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2011 4:59 PM MDT up reply actions
check out this picture of clint hurdle
it’s gigantic, so I’m just linking it.
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I rather miss that passion. Tracy is so sedate
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Hurdle's passion wasn't even that insane, is the crazy thing
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2011 5:04 PM MDT up reply actions
It really wasn't.
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I used to make fun of him, too
pretending that every time an umpire yelled at him, he’d start crying.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2011 5:15 PM MDT up reply actions
calling tracy "sedate" is like calling troy tulowitzki a "good" shortstop
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2012: get ready for White Pomz!
caption that:
“so I was watching that “Aliens” movie right? and that little bastard crawled up on the guy’s face……"
FFFFFFFFFFF.
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Aug 31, 2011 5:04 PM MDT up reply actions
OMG I thought the same thing!!!
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hivemind.
FFFFFFFFFFF.
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Aug 31, 2011 5:15 PM MDT up reply actions
HEY UMP!
YEA YOU! I’D SAY GIMME SOME EYES HERE WHILE I TALK TO YOU BUT CLEARLY YOU DON’T HAVE ANY OTHERWISE THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN CALLED A STRIKE!!!1111
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Im sure its been posted up already but here it is
1. Dexter Fowler (S) CF
2. Mark Ellis® 2B
3. Carlos Gonzalez (L) RF
4. Kevin Kouzmanoff® 3B
5. Todd Helton (L) 1B
6. Seth Smith (L) LF
7. Eliezer Alfonzo® C
8. Jonathan Herrera (S) SS
9. Esmil Rogers® P
Prediction----> Cargo and Tulo will both have over 30 homers this year
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
Dude, I even included a linked picture of the actual lineup
It’s like…..
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I was having trouble with my computer trying to tell me that the Purple Row is a virus. Maybe my security system is too good
I didn’t get to see it.
Prediction----> Cargo and Tulo will both have over 30 homers this year
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
I was really just messing with you
"I think I speak for everyone in here when I say: It''s playoffs or bust"- Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger
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Rogers may be the best hitter in the bottom third of the order...
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Junction Rox on Aug 31, 2011 5:26 PM MDT up reply actions
Thanks for that uplifting notion
/looks for hemlock
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I've got turkey gravy soda
will that do?
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Junction Rox on Aug 31, 2011 5:36 PM MDT up reply actions
Is it maple flavored?
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it can be
/eyes bottle of Mrs. Butterworth’s
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Junction Rox on Aug 31, 2011 5:47 PM MDT up reply actions
Sounds disgusting.
I’ll have some.
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For the second night in a row
Tulo won’t be swinging the bat.
by Northsider1964 on Aug 31, 2011 5:29 PM MDT up reply actions
wait he started last ni...........oh ICWYDT.
FFFFFFFFFFF.
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Aug 31, 2011 5:29 PM MDT up reply actions
boom, roasted
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I dont know if to laugh or
Throw something across the room. He needs a rest I know.
Prediction----> Cargo and Tulo will both have over 30 homers this year
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
Them
1. Willie Bloomquist® SS
2. Ryan Roberts® 3B
3. Justin Upton® RF
4. Miguel Montero (L) C
5. Paul Goldschmidt® 1B
6. Chris Young® CF
7. Aaron Hill® 2B
8. Gerardo Parra (L) LF
9. Josh Collmenter® P
Prediction----> Cargo and Tulo will both have over 30 homers this year
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
hey it's their A lineup
you mean MLB players can play more than 2 games in a row?
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2011 6:39 PM MDT up reply actions
I shouldn't be complaining. It will give me a day back on my fantasy team.
Prediction----> Cargo and Tulo will both have over 30 homers this year
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
can't be burning up Tulo. Need him for the end of the year
Prediction----> Cargo and Tulo will both have over 30 homers this year
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
Well boo. Hope he feels better soon
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Friedrich!!!!!!!!!!??
Nvm.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Aug 31, 2011 5:50 PM MDT up reply actions
Renck
TroyRenck Troy Renck, Rockies
Millwood White Cook vs padres. Tulo wrist a little sore no big deal tracy said. Don’t want to risk it
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Here's a quiz for you....who are the top five pitchers in MLB in walks allowed this season?
As a hint, I’ll provide their team.
1) COL
2) OAK
3) SFG
4) OAK
5) NYY
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 31, 2011 6:30 PM MDT reply actions
i just saw your twitter post
so i’d be cheating if I answered
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by black_knight101 on Aug 31, 2011 6:31 PM MDT up reply actions
chacin
gonzalez
sanchez
anderson
burnett
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2012: get ready for White Pomz!
you nailed three of them
Whiffed on two. Remember, its total walks, so Anderson and sanchez are lower from less PT
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 31, 2011 6:36 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Chacin
Gonzalez
Lincecum
Cahill
Burnett
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
you're a smart cookie
I would have gone thru the whole Giants rotation before guessing Lincecum
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 31, 2011 6:40 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
as would i
although cahill was my next guy after gonzalez
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I figured
his control has been poorer this season and he’ll certainly have the innings…I thought Vogelsong for a sec, but then I thought… really? Naaaaahh
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
and 3.60/9 doesn't really seem like it's a lot
weird
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
2012: get ready for White Pomz!
it doesn't
I guess with his k numbers and his reputation, he’ll have a longer walk/innings leash than others. Surprised Morrow isn’t up there…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
he's only got 140 innings
didn’t he spend some time in AAA?
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
2012: get ready for White Pomz!
ooo
I think he started the year on the DL.
Next year Morrow, next year!
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
OT: Isner v Baghdatis is a dog fight
"I think I speak for everyone in here when I say: It''s playoffs or bust"- Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger
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And I'm totally in the wrong thread...sorry
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