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AAA Colorado Springs Sky Sox: L 16-7

The Sky Sox sprinkled seven runs through the game, including a solo home run by Jorge Cantu, his first in our organization. Mike Paulk and Ryan Rohlinger each hit their 16th double of the year as one of two hits on the night. Also with two hit nights were Jordan Pacheco and the recently acquired Jesus Merchan. In his first game on rehab assignment, Jason Giambi was 0-3 with a strikeout and a run scored.

The pitching was awful, but  only 6 of Memphis' 16 runs scored were charged to pitchers. Joey Williamson, promoted from Tulsa for spot-start duty for the third time this year, struggled through four innings, allowing six earned runs on two walks and nine hits which included two home runs. Andy Graham relieved Williamson and allowed another four runs over two thirds of an inning. None of these runs were charged to Graham thanks to Giambi missing a catch at first base. Andrew Johnston pitched the rest of the fifth plus the sixth, with Keith Weiser taking the seventh and eighth. Combining for six hits and two walks, no runs were allowed. In the ninth inning, Jim Miller buried any hope of a late game by allowing six more runs to cross. Once again, none of these runs were charged to Miller, this time due to a throwing error from Rohlinger. Williamson got the loss, his first decision at the AAA level.

 

AA Tulsa Drillers: W 12-4

The offense was led by the two oldest Tulsa position players, Bronson Sardinha and the recently acquired Matt McBride making his organizational debut. Both players had three hits, one RBI and at least two runs scored. Sardinha scored another run, along with hitting a double and his eighth home run of the season. Hector Gomez and Erik Wetzel were productive as well, batting in five runs between them. Each player had one hit, and also walked (Gomez twice). The Drillers were free swinging in failure too; 13 strikeouts for the lineup, including two players in Wilin Rosario and Thomas Field with three each.

The big story of the game is Alex White's second rehab start. White's pitch count was doubled this time, and he pitched efficiently through nearly four innings. He allowed two hits and struck out two with give ground outs. He did not walk any Springfield batters or give up any runs. The Tulsa bullpen struggled, with only Joe Torres allowing no runs, but the damage allowed by Josh Sullivan, Stephen Dodson and Daniel Turpen was inconsequential. Sullivan was awarded his third win of the year.

Star-divide

A+ Modesto Nuts: W 4-3

Delta Cleary Jr, Kiel Roling and a continually successful Josh Rutledge led Modesto to victory with two hit nights all around. Roling hit his 13th homer, a solo shot in the second inning. He also doubled and stole a base. Starter Dan Perkins was hittable, allowing three runs on nine hits over six innings, but was helped along by not walking any High Desert Mavericks in the game. Relievers Will Harris and Chad Rose each dealt with traffic in the form of both hits and walks, but each escaped unscathed. Kurt Yacko earned his third save of the year with a clean inning that included two strikeouts.

 

A Asheville Tourists: W 10-9

What started as a blowout ended up disturbingly close late in the game when Hickory put together a six run seventh inning to tie the game. Starter Josh Mueller allowed ten hits and three earned runs over six innings, but the Tourists were ahead by six runs as Mueller was relieved by Josh Hungerman. Hungerman faced four batters and didn't record an out, allowing two hits and two talks. Kraig Sitton followed and allowed all of his inherited runners to score, as well as two of his own. After Asheville retook the lead at the bottom of the inning, Bruce Kern secured the game for his fifth save of the season, and Sitton was awarded his seventh win.

Much to the delight of a certain PuRPs voter whose name I don't recall and am too lazy to look up, Brett Tanos annihilated Hickory pitching, smacking his fifth and sixth home runs of the season in the midst of a four hit game, in which he also walked, scored four times, and knocked in three runs. Also with home runs were Helder Velazquez (10th) and Joey Wong (4th). Both batters also had two hit games, along with Chandler Laurent and Cristhian Adames.

 

A- Tri-City Dust Devils: W 3-2

The Dust Devils continue their success in close games, thanks to what has turned into an excellent pitching staff. Starter Chris Jensen reached the sixth inning for the first time in his young career, throwing five and a third innings of four hit baseball, walking two and allowing just one run while striking out three Boise Hawks. Nelson Gonzalez threw and inning of relief and gave up an unearned run. Kenneth Roberts threw the final two innings and received his seventh save credit of the season. Jensen's first pro decision is a win.

Catcher Ryan Casteel doubled and tripled in the game, while both scoring and batting in a run. Left fielder Tyler Massey and designated hitter Juan Crousset each doubled in runs.

 

RK Casper Ghosts: W 11-6

Rosell Herrera provided the only multi-hit performance for the Casper offense, but the rest of the lineup spread out plenty of production. Samuel Mende hit his ninth home run of the year as part of a three RBI game. Jarod Berggren doubled and batted in two runs. Even hitless Will Swanner walked three times and scored twice.

Starter Daniel Winkler allowed one earned run (three total) over five and a third innings, accumulating seven strikeouts to no walks against the Idaho Falls lineup. Alejandro Barraza and Matthew Crocker pitched well in relief. Jeremiah Sammy continues to struggle, but the two runs he allowed in his inning of work made very little difference at the end of the game.

 

DSL Rockies: Double Header against DSL Diamondbacks

Game 1: W 4-1

Johendi Jiminian lasted just four innings, allowing three hits and three walks but just the one run. Reliever Javier Palacios picked up his third win of the year, while Andres Medrano got his 14th save. The Rockies only got two hits in the game, a single from Raimel Tapia and a double from Jose De La Cruz. Cesar Galvez walked twice, while Wilson Soriano scored twice.

Game 2: L 6-4

Joel Payamps gave up four runs (three earned) over two innings. Two more runs were scored off of reliever Manuel Montilla, both unearned. This time it was the Rockies' turn to outhit their opponent, only to lose. 12 hits were allowed by the Diamondbacks, and four Rockies had two hits. Only Miguel Dilone did not get a hit in the starting lineup. Jesus Basillio doubled and tripled in the game.

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Rosario is being downgraded in my purps list. He is still young and has all star potential, but he has completely stalled.

by mkorpal on Aug 9, 2011 8:51 AM MDT reply actions  

Agreed

It’s unfortunate, but as I’ve been saying, I think both Wheeler and Rosario have stuff to work out in AA. It would be foolish to promote them with the way they’re struggling at this point.

by RoxWS2014 on Aug 9, 2011 9:11 AM MDT up reply actions  

Wheeler has much less to work on

His flaws are minor compared to Rosario right now. He can stand to hit lefties better, and can still improve defense. But it’s minor compared to Rosario’s lack of plate discipline right now.

by mkorpal on Aug 9, 2011 9:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

Wheeler would also have to be more productive offensively to stay in the majors

with Rosario’s defense, there’s a lot more wiggle room for him to stay at the major league level.

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by Muzia on Aug 9, 2011 9:31 AM MDT up reply actions  

But,

I don’t see too many reasons why he won’t be productive. The question attached to him is weather or not he will hit lefties well enough to be an every day player vs a A+ platoon player like Smith is.

by mkorpal on Aug 9, 2011 9:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

I dunno

we seem to have plenty of “swing for the fences” players on this team, and Wheeler really looks like that kind of guy to me. I’m still hesitant on projecting MLB success for him.

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by Muzia on Aug 9, 2011 9:38 AM MDT up reply actions  

Swing for the fences without the results

Other than Tulo and maybe Cargo, not much in the form of results

Time for some of this Rockies: "One of the beautiful things about baseball is that every once in a while you come into a situation where you want to, and where you have to, reach down and prove something." Nolan Ryan

by dsmba on Aug 9, 2011 9:45 AM MDT up reply actions  

I guess I have always been real bullish

on Wheeler (and Bettis), which has gone against others who don’t like them as much. I’m always an optimist when it comes to prospects and sports (which makes it difficult to evaluate them sometimes), so when I look at Wheeler, I see someone who has elevated their game to the next level. I see a Hawpe level bat with better defense and base running.

by mkorpal on Aug 9, 2011 10:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

I've always been hesitant during this Wheeler breakout

It’s obvious he’s hit a new level, certainly, but I am still not sold on MLB success for him. He’s earned the shot, though.

Every time I see him, he seems lost at the plate. SSS I know…

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by Muzia on Aug 9, 2011 10:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

unfortunately

He has reached the last developmental stage. So, unlike prospects like Parker, who can backup their play by repeating it at the next minor league level, Wheeler is going to have to repeat his success at the major league level. It’s going to be a tough assignment.

by mkorpal on Aug 9, 2011 10:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

Like I said, he's deserved the opportunity.

I’m just not wild on his long term MLB success.

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by Muzia on Aug 9, 2011 10:29 AM MDT up reply actions  

I hope he's better than Hawpe

Hawpe was a good minor leaguer, but never exploded like Wheeler has this year. Hawpe’s best minor leaguer year came in the Springs, so that can be taken with a grain of salt. But I guess I’m thinking optimistically in that I really hope Wheeler can be a true star, and not just a platoon player. I guess only time will tell.

by RoxWS2014 on Aug 9, 2011 12:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

Any time you have a player like Rosario with lots of pop and very little plate discipline it's a crapshoot

High ceiling, and high flameout potential all in one. He’ll still get to the majors because of the position he plays but all that power will go to waste if he can’t show more OBP skills.

I'm pretty disgusted right now!

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 9, 2011 9:32 AM MDT up reply actions  

Glad to see some discussion of this at last

It’s really bothered me to have have the No. 1 PURP hitting .241 in AA ball.

I also don’t understand multiple references (on PR and in the Post as well) to Rosario being the next in line if Ianetta goes. I think Pacheco’s showed more consistent offensive potential, though I have no way of evaluating their defensive abilities.

I’d still rank Rosario in the Top 10, but not no. 1. But I’ve found that disagreeing with some people’s PURP selections (to wit: Tyler Matzek) really sets them off. Just like DOD recenttly
admitted to “falling in love with players” to an unwarranted degree, I think there’s some “falling in love with PURP” choices & not admitting when they’re not playing up to their rankings.

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by maris61 on Aug 9, 2011 12:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't think anyone here would disagree with the fact that Rosario isn't playing up to his ranking.

But, as a wise scout that I know very closely once said, minor league stats don’t even come close to telling the whole story. And this is coming from a big stat guy.

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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 9, 2011 12:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't think anything that's happened this season changes Rosario's ceiling

But I do believe the chances of him reaching it have to be downgraded a bit. The scary thing with Rosario is that if he does not reach his ceiling, it will be because he didn’t refine his OBP skills – And if that happens, not only will he fail to reach his ceiling, he also won’t come close to it.

With such a wide margin of potential for a 22 year old catcher already in AA, I expect to see him show up in all different spots in this Fall’s PuRPs list.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 9, 2011 12:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

If he's bored at AA, letting him sit another year isn't going to improve anything.

I think the front office fully expects him to make the roster next spring, regardless of 2011 numbers.

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by Muzia on Aug 9, 2011 12:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

David OhNo and I have chatted about it on Twitter

he feels that Rosario appears bored this season on both sides of the plate. He had a brief burst of awesome after the Futures game, but still appears out of it.

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by Muzia on Aug 9, 2011 12:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

If true

This would not speak very highly of Rosario’s work ethic. If he’s not going out there giving it 100% and trying to put together the best season he can just because he feels like he’s already proved himself at this level, then he’s in for a rude awakening down the road. Guys who go out and are constantly trying to get better regardless of what is thrown their way are far more likely to get maximum production out of their talents. I actually hope that this report is not true because if he’s “board” enough to let his OBP slip to a repulsive .282, I’m thinking he might not get the most out of his talent once he reaches the majors.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 9, 2011 12:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

He's also 22 years old

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by Muzia on Aug 9, 2011 12:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

This would not be a valid excuse for a guy who, if called up

Would need to display enough maturity to lead a young pitching staff at a position that under normal circumstances would demand leadership. Either way, truth in the “he’s bored” argument does not bode well.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 9, 2011 12:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

There's two ways of looking at a "bored player"

there’s Delta Cleary Jr, who seems to go through the motions without any sense of his career track.

I think Rosario falls into the “Gifted and Talented” track, where he’s always been so much better than everyone that he gets bored without a new challenge. I think it’s far less negative than you are currently viewing it.

Does it impact his future ceiling? Probably. But that’s exactly why the organization needs to give him a challenge aka a callup, to ensure he has the best chance at reaching his ceiling.

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by Muzia on Aug 9, 2011 1:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

I can definitely see this.

For example, there was always that really smart kid in school who didn’t get very good grades, simply because everything was so easy that he got bored with it and didn’t bother doing his homework, but would ace tests with little effort at all. Maybe that’s how Rosario feels. Does that affect them and their life outcome going forward? I wouldn’t necessarily say that. Once they make it to college and are challenged a little, as well as growing up a bit, they can be just fine. And sometimes, may even be better for it. I’m not going to be too worried about it (if that truly is the case) until Rosario gets to the big club and shows a lack of fire to get better when he is here.

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by Cargo's Ball Sack5 on Aug 9, 2011 1:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

I coulda been valedictorian if not for silly homework

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 9, 2011 1:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

It may just be me

But IF true, and I still think it’s a big IF, I have a very hard time rewarding this type of behavior. Anyone who thinks they are so high and mighty that they don’t even have to try to be good anymore to earn a callup to the next level needs a smack of reality, not a promotion. Worse yet, if you reward this breed of player, you only feed the moster by making him more entitled in the furture because he’s already seen he doesn’t have to work hard to earn anything because he’s above everyone else. At least that’s the message you’ve sent.

If the argument is that he’s 22 years old and immature, then you help him grow out of that immaturity by showing him that the only way he’s getting a ticket out of Tulsa, is if he starts performing to his capabilities.

On the other hand, a good way to enhance the immaturity of a guy who doesn’t feel like he has to try anymore at AA is to reward him for his pouty behavior.

Regarless of whether he’s actually stuggling at AA or just bored, I want to see more results before I send I guy with a .282 OBP in Tulsa in 2011, to Denver in 2012.

I'm pretty disgusted right now!

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 9, 2011 1:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

See, you're viewing it as intentional behavior

I’m more in line with what Cargo’s Ball Sack is saying. It’s not an intentional behavior, and therefore shouldn’t be viewed as reward/punishment.

It requires positive reinforcement and challenge.

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by Muzia on Aug 9, 2011 1:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

If you don't think this qualifies as behavior

I’d love to know what category you’d file it under.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 9, 2011 1:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

INTENTIONAL behavior

Important word there

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 9, 2011 1:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

Either way

I still don’t come close to buying the argument. It’s not like Rosario has ever been an elite OBP guy so even going into this season he still had some flaws to fix. You fix those by putting in a good effort at AA.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 9, 2011 1:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

the same exact thing is happening with Jesus Montero with the Yankees

he’s bored in AAA, and his numbers have slumped a bunch. and yet he’s still an elite prospect because his ceiling hasn’t changed at all – just like Rosario’s ceiling hasn’t changed much, if at all.

it is unfortunate that Rosario doesn’t look at it as an opportunity to work on his plate discipline (though maybe he has been and the results haven’t come), but I wouldn’t downgrade him too heavily because of it.

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by black_knight101 on Aug 9, 2011 2:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

As I said above

This season does not change Rosario’s ceiling in my eyes – It just makes me think his chances of reaching it are slightly less.

A far as Montero goes, most of his numbers are the same as last year – Batting Average, OBP, very slight changes to his BB% and K% – The only real difference is that he’s not hitting for power. Rosario’s slide, has been much, much worse.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 9, 2011 2:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'd agree with your first statement wholeheartedly

but we view different causes for it.

I think the front office needs to push Rosario, and I think they feel the same with their talk of him being on the 2012 roster and a certain September callup.

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by Muzia on Aug 9, 2011 2:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't mind him being a September callup

But if he doesn’t show you more beteween now and next April, then I want him to go work on his OBP skills some more in Tulsa.

I'm pretty disgusted right now!

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 9, 2011 2:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

no need to keep him bored and leave him in Tulsa

he’ll go to the Springs if he’s not on the opening day roster

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by black_knight101 on Aug 9, 2011 2:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

and then he's going to stay bored.

we can’t just keep all of our players out of the Springs. There’s going to be a humidor there next year anyway.

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by black_knight101 on Aug 9, 2011 2:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

No

He’ll adventually realize that he has to perform to his capabilities in Tulsa if he ever wants to be a part of a major league roster.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 9, 2011 2:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

....this statement is very far from the truth.

you do realize that Matt Holliday had a .253/.313/.395 line in Tulsa at age 23? and played most of the next season in the majors?

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by black_knight101 on Aug 9, 2011 2:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

Holliday did not have the same OBP questions we should be asking about Rosario

Holliday also showed he could cut his K% down from 02 to 03 without it effecting his pop.

Rosario has regressed in every department this season.

I'm pretty disgusted right now!

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 9, 2011 2:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

and yet, Holliday never "performed to his capabilities" in Tulsa. that line is not ideal, at all.

the idea that all of our prospects has to be perfect before they reach the majors is going to leave us with a bunch of aging players in AA/AAA. Go through the list of players on the Rockies roster, and tell me which ones were unflawed when they made it to the bigs. Not every player needs to “perform to their capabilities” to earn a promotion.

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by black_knight101 on Aug 9, 2011 3:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

I agree with this line of thinking actually

My issue is that this season Rosario has taken a gigantic step backwards and has failed to show improvement at the plate in any way.

If his drop had been smaller, I wouldn’t question it.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 9, 2011 3:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

and I'm actually ok with leaving him in the minors

but I don’t get what is going to be achieved by leaving him in Tulsa.

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by black_knight101 on Aug 9, 2011 3:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

For me

I think Tulsa is a better place to work on OBP skills than Denver.

I’m not sure what the team will do though.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 9, 2011 3:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

Given the depth in front of him

in Iannetta, Pacheco, and guys like Alfonzo and Pagnozzi, there’s no real rush.

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by Andrew Martin on Aug 9, 2011 3:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

I have always been this type of student.

It’s not easy to “get a good effort” if you continue doing the same thing over and over again.

Maybe I’m projecting a little bit on Rosario, but it makes a ton of sense to me.

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by Muzia on Aug 9, 2011 2:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

The same thing over and over?

He only had 297 PA’s last season; barely enough to be a relevant sample size.

I don’t think Rosario is elite enough to be able to justify getting bored. He has a career .317 OBP in the minors. In my mind, he has to see that as something to work on.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 9, 2011 2:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

You're missing the point

He dominated the league last year, and showed he was better than the level of competition.

Yet he’s still back there this year. If we are following a Gifted and Talented mindset, that’s viewed as a disappointment.

I’m seeing it as a non-baseball issue.

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by Muzia on Aug 9, 2011 2:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

But he only dominated it for 297 PA's

And even then he still could have pushed that OBP a little higher (even though it was pretty good last year).

He still needed to do it a little more to prove that he really is advanced for that league.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 9, 2011 2:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

I’m seeing it as a non-baseball issue.

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by Muzia on Aug 9, 2011 2:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

Even if it's a non-baseball issue (which I'm not convinced of either way)

We still disagree on how to hadle it; (call him up to challenge him vs. make him prove himself more) – And there we probably won’t reach common ground.

It’s a good discussion though.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 9, 2011 2:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

As I said before, I believe the Rockies have given every indication they plan on handling it the way I’ve suggested.

I think they view him as a very talented player who needs a new challenge, and they are going to give him that opportunity.

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by Muzia on Aug 9, 2011 2:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm talking about the person, you're talking about the player

Big difference.

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by Muzia on Aug 9, 2011 3:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well if the player's OBP is .317 in the minors

I think that takes precedent over the person needing a new challenge. We talk about him like he’s a guy who’s aced every test and needs to be asked harder questions.

He has done anything but ace the OBP test – And that test may be the most important of all when you are trying to translate production at the plate in the minors over to MLB.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 9, 2011 3:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

Very true

He better be passing the tests of things we can’t see with flying colors though if they are gonna call him up because generally a guy who gets on base as little as he has in Tulsa this year gets eaten alive in the majors.

I conceed that there are things we don’t know though.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 9, 2011 3:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

his stat line concerns me as well, don't get me wrong

I just never feel comfortable hanging my hat anywhere with prospects anymore.

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by Andrew Martin on Aug 9, 2011 3:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

His 2010 season was about as close to aceing a test as you can get.

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by Muzia on Aug 9, 2011 3:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

But it was only part of a season which is now sandwiched between two pretty unspectacular ones

I think Rosario can still be that 2010 guy, I just don’t think he’s get there as fast if you bump him up right now.

That’s where I think we reach our impasse.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 9, 2011 3:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

You're really, really underselling his accomplishments

a 20 year old catcher goes from Casper into Modesto, puts up a .700 OPS with a decent BA and above average defense, and you call it unspectacular?

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by Muzia on Aug 9, 2011 4:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

I wish boredom was the issue

Then at least we would know he’s capable of turning on the switch and dominating at will. But it’s not like he’s cruising along this season. The guy’s below .250. He would have started “trying harder” by now, don’t you think? He’s just young and still needs time to develop his consistency.

by RoxWS2014 on Aug 9, 2011 2:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

This "bored" thing

intrigues me, because at surface level it sounds like horsesh*t. I mean, it would be one thing if he was just killing everyone int he first half and then let it slip a bit, but that doesn’t seem to be teh case. Moreover, I’m not sure how you challenge someone further who is presently getting whooped by most AA pitching. I can dig the vibe discussed below that he might need to be directly challenged to be motivated, but I also agree with RIRF that such a quality is not really a good thing. I see no reason to pull him up until he shows that he should be pulled up.

by Teekalong on Aug 9, 2011 2:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

even the stats don't look that bad

his IsoP is lower, but still not bad (especially for a catcher). but his BABIP is .269, compared to last years .299, despite basically the same batted ball profile. he’s probably suffering from a bit of bad luck, combined with a timid start with the knee issue. I’m not exactly sure what everyone else was looking for in a season from a young catcher coming off of a knee injury.

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by black_knight101 on Aug 9, 2011 2:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

the lower OBP can be attributed to a much lower walk rate + that BABIP

his LD rate is still pretty solid.

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by Muzia on Aug 9, 2011 2:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

Pacheco has not been so great this year either though

Those numbers in the PCL will traslate to a disaster at the MLB level unless there is some improvement.

I'm pretty disgusted right now!

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 9, 2011 12:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm not even sure Pacheco is going to make my top 30 list.

The bat is not impressive, and he doesn’t play any real defense. It’s hard to imagine him having a major league role anywhere.

by mkorpal on Aug 9, 2011 3:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

Considering the additions and breakouts of some player I am inclined to agree with you here.

If you are looking at where he is and the numbers he has put up I am not sure anyone on the list has had a worse season.

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by dsmba on Aug 9, 2011 4:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

Sam Mende is now leading the Ghosts in home runs

Not bad for a 31st round shortstop listed at 166 lbs.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 9, 2011 8:52 AM MDT reply actions  

Mende intrigues me

I love the Casper infield with Mende, Story and Herrera.. that teams been on a tear in the second half

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by nodakroxfan on Aug 9, 2011 11:23 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Rox Girl pegged him early on

as someone to watch.

As usual, she was correct.

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by maris61 on Aug 9, 2011 12:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

White was only supposed to pitch 3 innings..
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by Charlie77 on Aug 9, 2011 10:17 AM MDT up reply actions  

especially since Sullivan immediately walked the first batter he faced...

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by Muzia on Aug 9, 2011 10:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

The next three Casper Ghosts games are on Milb.tv

their only televised games of the season

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by Muzia on Aug 9, 2011 10:37 AM MDT reply actions  

They had one a week or two ago in Missoula

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 9, 2011 10:38 AM MDT up reply actions  

You're right

I didn’t see it on the schedule. It’s in the archive though, thankfully

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by Muzia on Aug 9, 2011 10:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

There is literally no one interesting in AAA

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by squalene203 on Aug 9, 2011 1:14 PM MDT reply actions  

i dunno, i think giambi's pretty interesting

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lets just use our 2012 money for something good and not another wigginton

by papality on Aug 9, 2011 1:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

I save them for last when writing my pebble reports

Because I’ll fall asleep reading the box score either way

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 9, 2011 1:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

Not just in Colorado Springs, either

AAA baseball is awful.

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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 10, 2011 2:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

Rosario's achilles, Alex White

Wilin Rosario has solid power for a catcher and he’s certainly not old for Double-A but the fact that his batting average is low and he’s hitting .212 against right-handed pitching, with serious strikeout issues, shows he’s nowhere near ready for Denver.

White showed in a rehab start that he is close to being ready for the majors again. He had three starts in Cleveland and had too very solid performances against two quality teams – Detroit and the Angels.

He could really help the rotation if he’s all lined up mechanically and healthy.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 9, 2011 1:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

what ever happened to...

Jordan Ribera? I thought he had a minor groin issue, but has been out a long time.

I’m enjoying this discussion of Rosario…I’ve always felt that his stats have never matched his hype and thought I was missing something. It is interesting to hear others have thought the same thing.

While on the subject…what about Kyle Parker? I’ve had a similar feeling about him. I realize he is transitioning to full-time baseball, but his splits make me think he has a long way to go before I’ll get too excited.

Lastly…is Rutledge’s streak still active. If so, how many game is he up to?

by DenverBears on Aug 9, 2011 1:42 PM MDT reply actions  

On Rosario
I’ve always felt that his stats have never matched his hype and thought I was missing something.

His defense has been top notch, and that must be considered for a guy at a defensive premium position. He can stick at the position where offense is pretty weak league wide. Also, he’s always been young for his level, so when he hit 18 home runs…in less than 300 PA…at age 21….in AA….as a catcher. It’s a rare skillset. He had been improving with the bat each year even against better competition, so while his .341 OBP wasn’t great by any means, it was thought he could improve it. He’s taken a step back this year for sure, but his high ranking was warranted as a young catcher with great defense and power.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 9, 2011 1:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

but his high ranking was warranted as a young catcher with great defense and power.

I’d argue it’s still warranted. He’s still young for the level, even after repeating it.

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by Muzia on Aug 9, 2011 2:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

No

Unfortunately, a couple nights ago, Rutledge went hitless. But he has been quite a surprise, and looks like a legit hitter, who looks like he could project well as a future 2-hole hitter. Thoughts?

by RoxWS2014 on Aug 9, 2011 1:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

His streak of games getting on base now stands at 31

Even that’s a little misleading though because that last time he didn’t reach base was July 3rd in a game where he only got 2 PA’s. (Oddly, he did score a run in that game so he technically was on base :-))

He has now reached base in 41 straight games he’s had at least three PA’s in.

I'm pretty disgusted right now!

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 9, 2011 3:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ribera has not play since July 16th and is still on the DL

I’m not sure when he’s scheduled back.

I'm pretty disgusted right now!

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 9, 2011 1:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

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