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PHOENIX, AZ - AUGUST 31:  First Base Coach Eric Young #7 of the Arizona Diamondbacks congratulates Sean Burroughs #11 as he smiles at the bench after getting a pinch hit against the Colorado Rockies at Chase Field on August 31, 2011 in Phoenix, Arizona.  (Photo by Norm Hall/Getty Images)

There's an interesting story on Peter O'Brien, the catcher selected in the third round of the June draft who the Rockies failed to sign, who says the Rockies disrespected him by offering what's apparently something pretty close to the recommended MLB slot bonus for the pick. The article then goes on to draw a parallel with that offer and what a local 16th round high school pick got, which is going to be extremely misleading to most readers, as the way the MLB draft works gives high school seniors the most leverage when it comes to signing with a team, and college seniors the least. College juniors, like O'Brien, have a moderate amount of leverage, but take pretty large gambles when they actually decide to use it as next year he will have to take whatever an MLB club puts on the table, and the chances are a lot more likely it's going to be considerably less than the approximately $350,000 he could have gotten from the Rockies this year.

All that said, the Rockies in terms of 2011 draft signing bonuses were well behind the curve, as other teams pushed the total bonus money spent on the draft to record levels. Since 2009, according to Baseball America, the Rockies have spent 18% less on draft signing bonuses than the average MLB team. In 2009 and 2010, the quality of the Rockies drafts went up considerably from the disasters of 2006-2008 (it's too early to say for 2011,) so saving 18% isn't necessarily a terrible thing if that extra money (just under $4 million/year) gets spent more wisely somewhere else. If it gets spent on Ty Wigginton or Jose Lopez, well, we've seen what comes of that.

 

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good thing Trevor Story didn't feel disrespected by the Rockies offer

He got more that 500% less than Josh Bell, who was taken after him. The humanity! Bethune-Cookman isn’t known for academics, is it?

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 1, 2011 8:08 AM MDT via mobile reply actions  

i think he was going to try to transfer to Miami

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by black_knight101 on Sep 1, 2011 8:11 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

he did, and has

I wonder what his price was

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 1, 2011 8:20 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Peter O'Brien

May we introduce you to Matt Harrington?

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by Yokel on Sep 1, 2011 9:10 AM MDT up reply actions  

I don't see an OT thread, so...

OT – today is my birthday. And I am issuing a lead-pipe guarantee that the Rox won’t dare lose on my birthday.

I pre-date divisional play by a few years and the Designated Hitter by almost a decade. Suffice it to say, I am older than infield dirt. Even old enough to remember coming home from school and finding out that day’s World Series game was already over.

But I had a good pre-birthday lunch yesterday at the 20th Street Cafe. The ladies who work there made a big fuss, brought the kitchen staff out to sing Happy Birthday, and then brought out a 5-quart bucket… er, I mean… a modestly sized bowl of peach cobbler ala mode for dessert, complete with a birthday candle. I hope with all the urban renewal going on around it, they don’t tear that place down. It’s one of the last of the great greasy-spoon diners.

by Northsider1964 on Sep 1, 2011 8:20 AM MDT reply actions  

Happy birthday

And thanks for the guarantee. It will help me strike the ball better when I’m out on the links later.

Get well soon Juan.

by Thnikkaman on Sep 1, 2011 8:32 AM MDT up reply actions  

Happy Birthday!

For what it’s worth, the Rockies have NEVER lost on my Birthday. I checked Baseball Reference. I see it as an insignificant detail that my birthday is on Nov. 13.

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by BittenAnkles on Sep 1, 2011 10:13 AM MDT up reply actions  

Mine neither,

But it would be great if they were playing on my Birthday more often.

Get well soon Juan.

by Thnikkaman on Sep 1, 2011 10:16 AM MDT up reply actions  

that cobbler ala mode is to die for

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by Muzia on Sep 1, 2011 10:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yes it is!

I’m just glad we had three people at the table to split it. Many peaches gave their lives for my birthday gluttony.

by Northsider1964 on Sep 1, 2011 10:43 AM MDT up reply actions  

Happy Birthday!

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by Yokel on Sep 1, 2011 10:17 AM MDT up reply actions  

Snakes.

Why’d it have to be snakes?

This year sucks.

by prettyinpurple on Sep 1, 2011 8:52 AM MDT via mobile reply actions  

heck yeah

This year sucks.

by prettyinpurple on Sep 1, 2011 10:12 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Unpossible

He can’t be Indy. He was Indy’s co-star in the last sequel.

We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!

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by Junction Rox on Sep 1, 2011 10:23 AM MDT up reply actions  

Aaaand, we just nailed Tulo's walk-up music for next year.

Also, he should get a custom batting helmet with a long brim so it looks like a fedora.

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by J_Stone on Sep 1, 2011 10:35 AM MDT up reply actions  

I seem to remember Indy defeating the Nazis at the end of his movies

not striking out.

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by Muzia on Sep 1, 2011 10:39 AM MDT up reply actions  

given the infinite possibilities regarding walk up music

I’m extremely disappointed in the collective wisdom of mlb players.

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by Resolution on Sep 1, 2011 4:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

Giants. I hate these guys.

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by squalene203 on Sep 1, 2011 12:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

That article made you want to vomit?

It made me ill, but only because it wasn’t about the Rockies. A team working hard in the spring, playing with a chip on their shoulder, good pitching, good hitting, good baserunning, and eschewing strike outs? That’s the kind of team I want to watch. Can we get one of those, please?

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by Yokel on Sep 1, 2011 9:13 AM MDT reply actions   1 recs

I thought we had one of those

Then the tinkerer put an end to it.

Get well soon Juan.

by Thnikkaman on Sep 1, 2011 9:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

Something's left off your list

The D-backs also have a manager who commands respect and apparently can influence his players’ performance and attitude on the field.

I would like one of those also.

2011 Rockies -- what the hell?

by maris61 on Sep 1, 2011 10:41 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Good call

Request so amended.

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by Yokel on Sep 1, 2011 10:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

We're not as bad off as the lastros..

    This off season will tell if we are as bad off as the Mess

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by Oldfoagie on Sep 1, 2011 10:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

Lastros have some good young players just up from AA

and the top draft pick sewn up.

All they need is an owner.

2011 Rockies -- what the hell?

by maris61 on Sep 1, 2011 11:33 AM MDT up reply actions  

A staff that commands respect

trammell, Gibson, And yes Baylor ( i was on the get rid of Baylor bandwagon too)

The D-backs had a severe attitude problem that was fixed, the Pads manager gets his players to play over their heads consistently, The Gints’ Bochey will fight you and Mattingly is going to be as good as any.

What’s the Rox excuse? Our problem is not necessarily talent (yes that is a problem too) but attitude as well. We need a fixer.

I do not see Tracy as this, I hope the FO has a plan.

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by El Paso Jeff on Sep 1, 2011 12:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

I would not mind Trammel as a manager...

 His failure in Detroit I put mostly on the lack of talent he had

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by Oldfoagie on Sep 1, 2011 12:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

I get the impression

that the best possible managers out there, are the people we haven’t heard of

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by Resolution on Sep 1, 2011 4:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

Purps Update

Any thoughts on when the next Purps update will take place?

TGFPR!!

by jlot10 on Sep 1, 2011 9:32 AM MDT reply actions  

next week at the latest

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 1, 2011 9:34 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Crap. I have work to do.

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by Muzia on Sep 1, 2011 9:36 AM MDT up reply actions  

i've been working on my list all year

but focusing on 1-20. I really need to work on 20-30

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by black_knight101 on Sep 1, 2011 12:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hoo boy...

I am unprepared.

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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Sep 1, 2011 12:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

I will post a polling thread sometime this weekend

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by Jeff Aberle on Sep 1, 2011 5:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

Here's the deal with O'Brien.

He was trending as 1st rounder. He had a bad year. He plays at a college with less high-level competition. This made his stock drop precipitously. Nevertheless, he still thinks he is a 1st rounder.

Now he is transferring to Miami, a team that plays against probably the highest-level of competition in the country, in order to prove once again that he is a 1st rounder. If he fails, he might end up dropping below the 3rd round. We’ll see in nine months.

by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 1, 2011 10:05 AM MDT reply actions  

Interesting

Then in reality as a Senior next year he is going to have to play like he was a Top 10 pick this year as a Junior, which he obviously wasn’t, in order to even sniff the 1st Rnd. Best of Luck to him. This sounds like the type of player I wouldn’t want to waste my time on.

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by jlot10 on Sep 1, 2011 10:11 AM MDT up reply actions  

Its interesting the comparison RG draws between signing O'Brien and..

The money wasted on Lopez. I would rather see more moneys invested in signing draft picks (and opening a baseball clinic in Venezuela) than bottom feeders like Lopez. Especially when internal options can provide the same replacement value.

by Charlie77 on Sep 1, 2011 1:38 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Can't really blame him for this

he has options, and he elected to take a shot betting on himself. Maybe he’s got delusions of grandeur, or maybe we let a good one slip through our fingers. Certainly this is the thing that makes the baseball draft interesting relative to other sports drafts.

by Teekalong on Sep 1, 2011 10:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

As a catcher, though

That year is particularly costly. A college junior catcher is already seen by many teams as getting up there in years.

Don’t wish him any ill-will, but he may have let his ego get in the way of his best path to pro ball.

by Northsider1964 on Sep 1, 2011 10:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

He doesn't project as a catcher long-term

and next year’s draft isn’t as deep. It’s a risk for him, but there are some reasons for his decision

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by Muzia on Sep 1, 2011 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

Maybe not

but I thought if he didn’t make it as a catcher, then he woudl probably project as a 1b long term. 1b Seniors usually don’t get drafted very high.

It's Jim Tracy's Fault.

by wolf213 on Sep 1, 2011 11:01 AM MDT up reply actions  

They don't, which is why he has to absolutely tear the cover off the ball at Miami

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by Muzia on Sep 1, 2011 11:02 AM MDT up reply actions  

Wait we let a good hitting 1b slip thru or fingers?

    Sombody find me a Rope!

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by Oldfoagie on Sep 1, 2011 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions  

and Matthes

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by Muzia on Sep 1, 2011 11:20 AM MDT up reply actions  

Not that I expect much out of either

but there is some hope there

It's Jim Tracy's Fault.

by wolf213 on Sep 1, 2011 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions  

Don't forget my homeboy Kiel

or go ahead and forget him, as you feel is appropriate…

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by Junction Rox on Sep 1, 2011 11:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

I like Kiel

but he’s a bit old for the league he is in.

It's Jim Tracy's Fault.

by wolf213 on Sep 1, 2011 11:28 AM MDT up reply actions  

Totally agree

I would love for him to do well, but my expectations are pretty much non-existent at this point…

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by Junction Rox on Sep 1, 2011 11:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

Who's gonna get the tar and the feathers?

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by Oldfoagie on Sep 1, 2011 11:24 AM MDT up reply actions  

Best GIFs of August.

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by Muzia on Sep 1, 2011 10:30 AM MDT reply actions  

yessssss

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by black_knight101 on Sep 1, 2011 10:43 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Honorable Mention in the comments section?

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by Muzia on Sep 1, 2011 11:03 AM MDT up reply actions  

Agreed. I crack up everytime. It's just perfect

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by SDcat09 on Sep 1, 2011 11:07 AM MDT up reply actions  

I know.

I think it should be posted every day just to brighten the Row’s spirits.

Is it 2012 yet?

by DAWNMARIE01 on Sep 1, 2011 11:12 AM MDT up reply actions  

Can you make a mashup of this catch

and is flying catch in the Giants game last year?

Both coming at each other in opposite directions.

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by SDcat09 on Sep 1, 2011 11:08 AM MDT up reply actions  

Exactly

Or they fly past each other

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by SDcat09 on Sep 1, 2011 11:20 AM MDT up reply actions  

You mean this one

http://colorado.rockies.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=12460001

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by Roxman4ever on Sep 1, 2011 4:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

yep

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by SDcat09 on Sep 1, 2011 5:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

I was there at that game. OMG! What a catch that was.

Prediction----> Cargo and Tulo will both have over 30 homers this year
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by Roxman4ever on Sep 1, 2011 5:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

not deserving

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by Muzia on Sep 1, 2011 11:13 AM MDT up reply actions  

I asked Jeff Sullivan to make that one for me

So I don’t think he used it in an article. Hence Jon Bois not using it in an article.

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 1, 2011 11:14 AM MDT up reply actions  

I want to see a GIF of Sunday's game

When Tony Gwynn, Jr., Eliezer Alfonzo and the home plate ump all went scampering in unison out of the home plate area.

Drew Goodman blamed a bee or a wasp, but my theory is that The Fonz let one rip.

by Northsider1964 on Sep 1, 2011 11:13 AM MDT up reply actions  

CarGo IMO has two of the better GIFs all year

between this one and the one where he holds his bat after taking a walk

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by black_knight101 on Sep 1, 2011 12:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

LOL!

That imaginary conversation with his bat was hilarious. I had forgotten about that.

by holly96 on Sep 1, 2011 3:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

REC'D because its full of awesomeness

Prediction----> Cargo and Tulo will both have over 30 homers this year
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by Roxman4ever on Sep 1, 2011 4:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

I had a crazy Idea

with Rosario getting a shot to be a catcher, and having a big black whole at 3b… why not let Iannetta take some reps at 3rd during the months of september. He would be a decent stop gap until Nolan is ready.

It's Jim Tracy's Fault.

by wolf213 on Sep 1, 2011 11:26 AM MDT reply actions  

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by Muzia on Sep 1, 2011 11:27 AM MDT up reply actions  

ya minor detail

But aside from the not a chance in hell because Tracy won’t go for it, its a decent idea right?

It's Jim Tracy's Fault.

by wolf213 on Sep 1, 2011 11:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

I like that Idea.

But if Tracy was going to go for that, he would have Iannetta start for Helton on days when Helton needs a rest and he wants to put his flavor of the month catcher behind home plate

Get well soon Juan.

by Thnikkaman on Sep 1, 2011 11:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

Why not? Ian has!

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by Oldfoagie on Sep 1, 2011 11:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

Wow, I checked the numbers

9PA batting 8th. What a joke.

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 1, 2011 11:33 AM MDT up reply actions  

But that would mean someone besides Tulo has a "Role"

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by Oldfoagie on Sep 1, 2011 11:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

"Personal Whipping Boy"

or that actually might be Stewart.

Chris Iannetta is to Jim Tracy as Toby Flenderson is to Michael Scott.

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 1, 2011 11:37 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Has anyone thought maybe Tracy can't stand watching him like I can't?

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by Oldfoagie on Sep 1, 2011 11:39 AM MDT up reply actions  

So Tracy has a nit to pick with Iannetta, and it bugs him

Tracy is actively hurting the team by letting this get to him and acting on it rather than starting the best lineup as often as possible.

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 1, 2011 11:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

That's exactly what we're saying?

It doesn’t mean it’s the right decision for the team.

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by Muzia on Sep 1, 2011 11:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

Could you watch 152 games of Steve Trachsel?

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by Oldfoagie on Sep 1, 2011 11:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

The Mets gave up on Trachsel when they noticed an attendence Drop when he pitched.

     I hoped Iannetta would have been traded by now; and maybe Tracy has too? Is it wrong on his part? Probably; unless he knows some thing we don’t. I’ve watched Billy Martin do worse.

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by Oldfoagie on Sep 1, 2011 12:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

You're right.

The public clamors for more Eliezer Jesus Alfonzo starts.

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by Muzia on Sep 1, 2011 12:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm not saying the public does.

  But untill the casusl fan clamours for Tracy’s head or Iannetta gets traded nothing is going to change. As for the TTO batting approach; I don’t like it either to me it leads to a lot of wasted AB’s. I don’think that’s the real problem. We won’t know till one or both ( I can only hope) are gone.

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by Oldfoagie on Sep 1, 2011 12:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

Iannetta doesn't NEED to be traded is the thing

He’s a good batter with faults, just like everyone else in the game. Not playing good batters is the fault of the manager.

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 1, 2011 12:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think Tracy sees more of a problem with him catching and has been grinding his teeth all season.

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by Oldfoagie on Sep 1, 2011 12:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm with you on this point

I can’t see any reason for his weirdness towards CDI. I was more on the Yorvit side of things when he was here. But this has gone on year after year and it’s pretty much ludicrous now.

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by SDcat09 on Sep 1, 2011 12:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

I have fully come around on CDI this year

And I will be pissed if he gets traded away in the near future.

Get well soon Juan.

by Thnikkaman on Sep 1, 2011 12:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

meh...we might get some real value for him

I doubt he gets traded though, he’s just going to be catcher 1a next year with Rosario 1b

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by black_knight101 on Sep 1, 2011 12:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

Tracy has done this before

He does not like certain styles of batters, and plays that grudge out to the detriment of the team.

Stewart I won’t defend. He played himself out of the job. But I’d wager that if he were putting up a line similar to Iannetta, Tracy would be starting Wigginton (or anyone) over him purely because he can’t stand the TTO batting style.

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 1, 2011 12:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

If it makes you feel any better Berra and Stengel couldn't stand each other either,

  For the opposite reason; Berra was an intangibles catcher and not a technician. He felt Stengel played him into the ground.

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by Oldfoagie on Sep 1, 2011 12:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well, I'm glad it isn't unprecedented

But given the state of the team and the way that Jim Tracy doesn’t seem to play well with younger players, I don’t think Jim Tracy is the right fit for this team going forward.

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 1, 2011 12:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

I want Tracy gone as much or more as you do.

 This Iannetta thing is a side show of bigger prolems he creates with his other management decisions. He wre out Ubaldo . He wears out the bull pen by not having them conditioned to go more than one inning. His lineups with or with out Iannetta are bizzare. He does not stand up for his team enough with the umps and he talks out of both sides of his mouth about the players hoping not to offend the PR gods.

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by Oldfoagie on Sep 1, 2011 12:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well, he should be worried about not offending us!

Seriously though, I’m making a rap sheet. I think I have enough of the skullcrackingly obnoxious stuff he does regularly to make a case.

Downside, it’s from the fan’s perspective, as we clearly don’t have that insight behind the presser. I still think I have a case.

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 1, 2011 12:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

So ask Reneck for an interview?

 Ask PHLP to introduce you to scouts not on the Rox payroll based in the area. PLace a mole in the front office. ( Silver are you listening ?). Hack Tracy’s cell phone. The evidence is out there.

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by Oldfoagie on Sep 1, 2011 1:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

Phone Hacking: News of the World! Ask me how!

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by SDcat09 on Sep 1, 2011 1:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

Tell AMart;

  He’s the " journalist"

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by Oldfoagie on Sep 1, 2011 1:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

What's with the underhandedness?

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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Sep 1, 2011 2:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

He wants to lay out a case in public and not a court of law.

      So long as he does not say anything untrue by law that’s absense of malice. Placing a person in a false light is libel and is hard to get a conviction on. Blogs are in an ambiguous legal ground as the established press tries to under cut them legally to save their own position.

    Journalists rightly or wrongly often get away with breaking the law to gather evidence in ways no law enforcement agencies should. (But do anyway) News of the World bribed government officials to do their hacking for them. To do the same thing here the software is commercially available.

    Welcome to the big leauges kids. You want big time street cred that’a how Skiptracers, Private Investigators, Information brokers and real hard core journalists do it. They subvert IP adresses; read screenshots off of cellphones; read your texts and emails to find a plausible way to real physical evidence.

    The trick is not to publicly or legally use that info gathered untill you have established a plausible means of finding that evidence elsewhere by legal means.

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by Oldfoagie on Sep 2, 2011 12:02 AM MDT up reply actions  

Needs a little feather in the hat band.

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by Oldfoagie on Sep 2, 2011 12:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

Gmen know all about it and are the biggest offenders.

    My speacialty was tracking known buying habits of people who dropped of the grid. By legally brokering info off of grocery shopping cards I might have to surviel a store for several weeks to determine if my skip was useing it. It was tedious and expensive and only used on high dollar stuff.

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by Oldfoagie on Sep 2, 2011 12:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

(I really think the Mets "gave up" on Trachsel because he was 35 with a 5 ERA)

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by Muzia on Sep 1, 2011 12:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

That too; but the broadcast sponsers really were clamouring for someones head. he was costing everyone money.

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by Oldfoagie on Sep 1, 2011 12:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ned Flanders to Homer Simpson

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by Oldfoagie on Sep 1, 2011 11:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

Something like this for 2012

Fowler CF
Ellis 2b
Cargo RF
Tulo SS
Helton 1b
Smith LF
Iannetta 3b/C
Rosario C

It's Jim Tracy's Fault.

by wolf213 on Sep 1, 2011 11:39 AM MDT up reply actions  

Not terrible.....

I don’t think it makes the team any better though.

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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 1, 2011 12:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

let's do it

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by papality on Sep 1, 2011 12:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

have you seen the Yankees rotation recently?

Darvish is going to be expensive

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by black_knight101 on Sep 1, 2011 12:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

if CC opts out, and he likely will,

the yankees aren’t going to have the money to bid on darvish

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by papality on Sep 1, 2011 12:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

The Rox will overspend on whoever the other guy is.

 That’s their SOP scince Neagle

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by Oldfoagie on Sep 1, 2011 1:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

it's pretty much a guarentee that he will

and then he’ll resign with the Yankees

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by black_knight101 on Sep 1, 2011 1:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

the yankees aren’t going to have the money to bid

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by Junction Rox on Sep 1, 2011 1:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

i'm probably the biggest yankee fan here on PR i think

earlier in the year, when it looked like they would decline swisher’s option (not the case anymore) and CC probably wasn’t going to opt out (he will) i would have said they could make a run at darvish, between swisher’s option, cano’s option, raises for the arb guys, jeter and rivera’s new contracts, and CC’s new contract, they simply won’t be able to; darvish is way better than dice-BB, and look at the ridiculous overpay the red sox had to put up to get him.

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by papality on Sep 1, 2011 1:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

inoright

he’s so swishalicious

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by papality on Sep 1, 2011 1:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

Swish for 1b Gardner for CF

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by Oldfoagie on Sep 1, 2011 1:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

try swish for RF

i’d trade friedrich+smith

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by papality on Sep 1, 2011 1:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

so would every Rockies' fan in existence

too bad they’d want Pomeranz + Rosario, and would probably be justified in asking for that.

by ween1980 on Sep 2, 2011 10:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

lol for nick swisher?

cashman is FAR from the idiot ed wade is

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by papality on Sep 2, 2011 2:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

I feel the same about his wife...

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by Junction Rox on Sep 1, 2011 1:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm so on board

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by SDcat09 on Sep 1, 2011 1:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm really not an Iannetta critic

But I don’t see how he’s a major league baseball player unless he’s behind the plate full-time.

Very good OBP, decent bat control, yada yada – but in my opinion, if he’s not behind the plate he’s just not an MLB player.

by Northsider1964 on Sep 1, 2011 1:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

joe mauer laughs at you

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by papality on Sep 1, 2011 1:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

Because his average is low?

Why do you think he’s not a MLB player unless he’s a catcher?

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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 1, 2011 1:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

Because he's likely to be below average at any other defensive position

And his offensive skills are pretty good for a player at a premium position, but on the corners? To me it’s like putting Dex at 1B – yeah he could probably play there, but he sinks or swims as a CF.

I guess what I’m saying in an indirect way is that long before I would play Iannetta at a different position, I would just trade him to a team that wants a catcher. I think I can get better players in return than what I can get from him at some other spot on the diamond.

by Northsider1964 on Sep 1, 2011 1:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

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by Oldfoagie on Sep 1, 2011 1:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

How can you exactly know if he would not be good

in another position without him having some reasonable time at said other position?

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by SDcat09 on Sep 1, 2011 1:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

this is why joe mauer laughs at northsider

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by papality on Sep 1, 2011 1:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

Everyone but me seems to think he's a great bat for a catcher.

    I don’t think he’d really carry his weight as a 1b or 3b. But then again I can’t explain Lyle Overbay’s carreer either.

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by Oldfoagie on Sep 1, 2011 1:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

I can't say that for sure

But if I was a scout and somebody had me come look at Iannetta as a 3B, I’m going to time him in the 60-yard dash, put him through a few infield drills, and then ask the guy to pass me some of whatever he’s been smoking.

1B might be a different story, as he could probably do okay there defensively. But his bat isn’t going inspire me to put him there more than a handful of games in a season. For a RH bat to make it as an MLB 1B, you have to be pretty special.

This isn’t really a criticism of Iannetta. Aside from Mauer and McCann, I’m hard-pressed to name any catchers who could move to a different position full-time. Maybe Posey can do it – we’ll see. But most of them are catchers who hit just enough to get on the field, and they stay on the field because they can play a premium position.

by Northsider1964 on Sep 1, 2011 1:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

I tend to agree with this,

at least as to 3b. He’d make Wigginton look like Nelson out there with lateral quickness. But at 1b he could probably manage a credible effort. I don’t see any reason to mess with him though. He’s a good player at a tough position and he’s worth more to us than he’d be worth in trade most likely (that said, if a legit good trade came along it should be done, Tracy or no).

by Teekalong on Sep 1, 2011 1:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

I disagree

The Orginization has had him take Reps Before at 3b. I think it is at least worth a shot, coming from an orginization that played the likes of Todd Zeil and Garrett Atkins at 3b.

Its not as if there are any better options out there either.

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by wolf213 on Sep 1, 2011 1:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

Taking reps to serve in an emergency capacity

is entirely different than expecting the guy to manage it 150+ games per year. I freely admit that I haven’t seen him practice and maybe I’m wrong, but it seems crazy that someone with his build and lack of experience could be anywhere close to a competent 3b at this level. Garret Atkins practiced the position for years and years and was not good, and he seemed more mobile than Iannetta does. Its not like we’ve got Biggio back there. Iannetta is built like a fullback.

Maybe it is worth a shot, for sure given lack of reasonable options, but its not worth relying on in any meaningful way or investing any real resources. Trying to convert lumbering Cs into infielders seems like it should be pretty low on the org “to do” list.

by Teekalong on Sep 1, 2011 2:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well there is also precident for it to

Kung Fu Panda was a catcher at first, and he is a lot “bigger” then Iannetta. Its been done before, I think it is something that is worth looking at, instead of spending money on more Wiggintons and Betimits.

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by wolf213 on Sep 1, 2011 2:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

Sure

Why not try it. No real argument, nothing to lose really. But its fair to say I’d be pretty staggered if he can be an adequate defender there.

CDI is 6’, 230. He is not fast, nimble, he’s a brick wall. Sandoval is bigger to be sure, but seems to be a credible defender (when in shape) and is also a bigtime talent at the plate. CDI, as noted above, is not a bigtime bat out from behind the plate.

I think Wiggintons and Betemits are probably in our future, sadly.

by Teekalong on Sep 1, 2011 2:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

Future? You mean Nolan Arenado?

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by Muzia on Sep 1, 2011 2:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

near future perhaps

although Arenado himself is fully convinced that he can start for us next year. he’s quite the confident guy.

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by black_knight101 on Sep 1, 2011 2:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

Sandoval was clearly an offense-first player,

and a switch-hitter at that, who may or may not have ever made it to the majors as a catcher. That’s exactly the kind of guy who gets moved from C to 3B or 1B. Iannetta is not. Doesn’t mean he couldn’t fill in at the corners if needed, but I don’t think he holds a roster spot playing anywhere but behind the plate. And like I said before, that’s probably true of 90+ percent of the MLB catchers out there.

by Northsider1964 on Sep 1, 2011 2:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

wow

slow rockpile today

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by papality on Sep 1, 2011 11:52 AM MDT reply actions  

After last night; everyone still wants to vomit!

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by Oldfoagie on Sep 1, 2011 11:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'm just kind of actually sick today

:(

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by SDcat09 on Sep 1, 2011 11:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

LOL no.

It’s a head coldy sinusy yucky thing….

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by SDcat09 on Sep 1, 2011 12:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

That's why you should drink beer for breakfast...

    Think of it as probiotics. :-)

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by Oldfoagie on Sep 1, 2011 12:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

heh

probe

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by papality on Sep 1, 2011 12:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

Toodles all; bills to pay

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by Oldfoagie on Sep 1, 2011 1:35 PM MDT reply actions  

bye

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by SDcat09 on Sep 1, 2011 1:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

has anybody heard anything about September callups other than Rosario?

maybe it’s just me, but I’d like to see Gomez up with the Rox after the Drillers playoff run is over.

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by black_knight101 on Sep 1, 2011 1:50 PM MDT reply actions  

Hector? Him?

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by Muzia on Sep 1, 2011 2:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

yeah...

i mean we might as well give him a shot. I don’t see why not.

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by black_knight101 on Sep 1, 2011 2:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

he's gonna play in the AFL

not on the 40 man
needs more work vs. LHP

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by black_knight101 on Sep 1, 2011 2:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

and aside from a ridiculous may,

he’s been the same guy all year

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by papality on Sep 1, 2011 2:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

which, to be fair, is still a pretty decent prospect

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by Muzia on Sep 1, 2011 2:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

The AFL doesn't start until October. Trout is going to the AFL and hes been in the majors since July

2) he can be added to the 40 man easily. There are several players that can be replaced
3) This is true and will likely be something he works on in the AFL and will hurt his chances of breaking camp in the show next year but why not see what he can do against major league RHP? We’re not really playing for anything so I would like to see some youngsters up and playing.

Lots of people around here are advocating using Smith as a trade chip this offseason. I would like to see Wheeler get some big league time before we go shopping Smith around

by purplesocks on Sep 1, 2011 2:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

I would like to see Wheeler get a call-up

if for no other reason than to prevent me from ever seeing another at-bat from Spilly, or another inning in the OF from Wigginton.

by Northsider1964 on Sep 1, 2011 2:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

.

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by Muzia on Sep 1, 2011 2:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

...

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by hotdoglady on Sep 1, 2011 2:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

Absolutely mesmerizing.

My name isn’t even Iannetta or Smith, and yet I feel compelled to sit on a bench.

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by Muzia on Sep 1, 2011 3:01 PM MDT up reply actions   2 recs

shorted it by four

guess I’m riding the pine.

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by hotdoglady on Sep 1, 2011 3:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

My therapist will be sending you a bill

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by Junction Rox on Sep 1, 2011 3:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

watch two of these

http://screencast.com/t/8uMa1rX9k

and call me in the morning….

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by hotdoglady on Sep 1, 2011 3:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 1, 2011 3:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

“Hit!”

“Miss!”

“Walk!”

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by Muzia on Sep 1, 2011 3:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

You sunk our hopes of winning the division!

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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 1, 2011 3:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

Playing Battleship with CDI, are you?

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Go fish, Pirate edition, by the sounds of it

Hit (take card)
Miss (lose card)
Walk (walk the plank when you fail to take a card)

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by jrockies on Sep 1, 2011 6:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

Adding him to the 40 man now starts his clock ticking

and almost guarantees that we use an option on him next year, something we don’t want to do if we don’t have to. Also, our 40 man roster is actually going to be pretty crowded pretty soon. No need to add players that we don’t need to.

back to point #1, there’s been (some) concern that he’s getting tired. no need to push him if this is the case.

I’d love to see him too, but the smart organizational decision is to not add him to the 40-man yet.

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by black_knight101 on Sep 1, 2011 2:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

after the season

when all the players come off of the 40 man and we have to protect some players from the rule 5 draft

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by black_knight101 on Sep 1, 2011 3:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

sorry wow i got my thoughts jumbled

I meant, “when all the players come off of the disabled list and we have to protect some players from the rule 5 draft”

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by black_knight101 on Sep 1, 2011 3:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

theres a lot of spots on the 40 man that can easily be removed

Cook, Millwood, Reynolds, Roenicke, Romero, Weathers, Spilly and Stewart could all be easily removed when the season ends.

Nelson, Gomez, and EY are all out of options and could get moved.

Theres a lot of spots on the 40 man to work with.

by purplesocks on Sep 1, 2011 3:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

Agree

And frankly if someone comes up in September and shows enough promise to get the front office wringing its hands about his arbitration clock, I will cheer loudly.

by Northsider1964 on Sep 1, 2011 3:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

Cook's gone

even if Millwoods gone, a similar veteran pitcher will replace him. we will probably add another veteran pitcher. or maybe 2.
Reynolds is probably gone
Roenicke is probably staying
Romero is gone
I bet they hold onto Weathers, but I could be wrong.
Stewart I have no idea what they’re going to do with him.

so that’s at most 6 guys being removed, with possibly a few guys being swapped for other veterans (Ellis, Kouz) etc.. We have Blackmon, JDLR, and Nicasio that will definitely get a spot on the 40 man when they return from injury. Morales and Daley…who knows. So that’s at most 3 spots that available. Friedrich and Field, and possibly others, are definitely going to be added to the 40 man roster. That’s 1 spot left, and if we’re being really optimistic there might be 2. We will have some trades and FA acquisitions this offseason. Do uou really want to waste that a 40-man spot on 3 weeks of Wheeler in September, plus (almost) guaranteeing that you have to use an option on him next year that you might not have to otherwise?

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by black_knight101 on Sep 1, 2011 3:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

the other day, I had around 15 possible names that could be removed from the 40-man this offseason

Seriously big turnaround year. (Thankfully)

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by Muzia on Sep 1, 2011 3:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

there are a ton of guys that could be removed

but a lot of them will have to be replaced. I just don’t want to hand out 40 man spots for a few games in September

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by black_knight101 on Sep 1, 2011 3:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

/Ryan Spilborghs

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by Muzia on Sep 1, 2011 3:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

i think i counted him in my 6

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by black_knight101 on Sep 1, 2011 4:36 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Somehow that's exactly how I read it....

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by Junction Rox on Sep 1, 2011 3:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

oh he is beefy alright

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Does he make you quiver?

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by hotdoglady on Sep 1, 2011 2:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

i didn't know we had darryl kile's number up in the bullpen

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by papality on Sep 1, 2011 2:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thank God, he doesn't talk to CDI in Spanish

CDI may have had problems figuring out what he was saying and then he would say something totally different.

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by Roxman4ever on Sep 1, 2011 5:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

/recovers

They came! The Sept issue of Rockies magazine came in my mail today! Oh my God! And my name’s in there, along with words that I wrote!

This year sucks.

by prettyinpurple on Sep 1, 2011 3:20 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Cool!!

PiP – published writer!

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by Junction Rox on Sep 1, 2011 3:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

: D

This year sucks.

by prettyinpurple on Sep 1, 2011 3:41 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yep, I'll bet college is full of them...

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by Junction Rox on Sep 1, 2011 3:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

/shakes head

/sighs

This year sucks.

by prettyinpurple on Sep 1, 2011 3:41 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

that's funny

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by jrockies on Sep 1, 2011 6:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

Can somebody explain to me how somebody (Hector Gomez) can be out of options without ever setting foot in the big leagues?

I thought at his age he had a couple more seasons for sure in the Minors to see if he fulfills his potential…

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by SurfaceThought on Sep 1, 2011 4:02 PM MDT reply actions  

he was added to the 40 man to protect him from the rule 5 draft

also, I may be wrong but I think he’s going to be awarded another option because of injuries

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by black_knight101 on Sep 1, 2011 4:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thats a little bit odd to me, it's hard for me to imagine a team that would want a 20-23 year old prospect

Who is pure potential, has a bad injury history, and has proven to be very error-prone at a defensive premium position on their 25-man roster for an entire season.

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by SurfaceThought on Sep 1, 2011 4:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

Tools, man.

He’s got a shed full of them.

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by Muzia on Sep 1, 2011 4:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

also, he was a top prospect at one point

some bottom feeder team would have happily put them on their 25 man roster and waited for his bat to develop

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by black_knight101 on Sep 1, 2011 5:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

and he gets lost in it

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by jrockies on Sep 1, 2011 6:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

or it all falls on him and causes an injury

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by jrockies on Sep 1, 2011 6:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well, and, uh, not rebounding from them

And, you know, that Tulowitzki guy

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by SurfaceThought on Sep 1, 2011 4:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

McCourt offered $1.2 Billion for the Dodgers.

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by Muzia on Sep 1, 2011 4:24 PM MDT reply actions  

Does China have a baseball league?

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by SurfaceThought on Sep 1, 2011 4:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm not totally sure I get it

is it the ‘yo’?

Regardless, I am flattered

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by Resolution on Sep 1, 2011 5:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

ahhh

it’s the ‘yo’

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by Resolution on Sep 1, 2011 9:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

Off day. :(

I have very limited days before I go back to NYC and can only find the Yankees and Mets on TV, and the Rockies have the nerve to have an off day. I disapprove.

by Squeaky on Sep 1, 2011 5:06 PM MDT reply actions  

Ken Singleton, Michael Kay, and Ron Darling

all say hello and miss you dearly!

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by Resolution on Sep 1, 2011 5:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think I'm the opposite

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by Resolution on Sep 1, 2011 5:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

it has to do

with a strong irrational hatred of AL baseball.

by Squeaky on Sep 1, 2011 5:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

mine is just a strong irrational hatred of Ron Darling

plus I’d rather watch a team that’s doing something – though that may change in time with the Mets’ new FO…

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by Resolution on Sep 1, 2011 5:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

yeah well we'll see

I haven’t watched the Mets since the whole kerfuffle so I’ll probably get bored quickly. I just like having a game on in the evenings!

by Squeaky on Sep 1, 2011 5:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm watching the US Open

and the Donks are on NFL Network tonight…maybe I’ll check it out.

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by SDcat09 on Sep 1, 2011 6:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

JFK's Quote of the Day:

“The hall of fame ceremonies are on the thirty-first and thirty-second of July.” ~Ralph Kiner

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by jrockies on Sep 1, 2011 6:23 PM MDT reply actions  

Tomorrow is "Team Spirit Day" at work

I think I should wear something Purple

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by jrockies on Sep 1, 2011 6:25 PM MDT reply actions  

Matzek throwing the exact opposite of his last dominant start

6 IP so far, 1 K, 3 BB, 1 H, 3 R, 0 ER

Two balls have left the infield.

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by Muzia on Sep 1, 2011 7:02 PM MDT reply actions  

1:3 K/BB ratio!?

DFA’D

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by SurfaceThought on Sep 1, 2011 7:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

at this point it seems like his stuff is way too advanced for thr Sally

Its just a matter of him harnessing it

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by black_knight101 on Sep 1, 2011 8:05 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

What was the 1H?

I assume he’s working on something to not strike out more than 5, because he was doing that even before he was sent down (out?).

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by jrockies on Sep 1, 2011 8:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

You're going to be addicted to this network.

I’m trying to limit my viewing to 20 hours a day instead of 24.

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by SDcat09 on Sep 1, 2011 8:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

There's something you can never do anywhere else.... lol

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by Junction Rox on Sep 1, 2011 10:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

<3 MLBN

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by papality on Sep 1, 2011 8:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

this

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by SDcat09 on Sep 1, 2011 8:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

the announcer is so serious

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