Monday Rockpile: The Season Hasn't Even Ended and A Bidding War Has Already Emerged
by Andrew Martin on Sep 19, 2011 7:30 AM MDT
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PrintWell, here we are on game #153 come Monday, with 10 games remaining in the season (Padres, Astros, Giants), wondering how next season is going to turn out, between free agent signings, trades, prospects, etc. We've discussed the problem areas on the team, and one of the nastier (if not the nastiest) holes to fill is the 3B position. The options have been narrowed down to Aramis Ramirez, Chase Headley, Martin Prado, David Wright, Ryan Zimmerman, Jack Hannahan, Chris Johnson, Vinny Castilla, and Roger Dorn.
Just yesterday, Joe Frisaro from MLB.com reported that the Marlins were looking at Aramis Ramirez to fill their 3B vacancy.
The Rockies got the 4th worst batting production from the 3B position in the majors per OPS (not park adjusted or anything, but I'd wager that park adjustments make it that much worse), and 7th worst fielding in the majors per TotalZone. Florida got the 8th worst fielding in the majors per TZ, but that was a whole 5 runs on the season above Colorado. Batting-wise, Rockies 3B batted a combined .217/.275/.332 on the season. Marlins 3B batted .267/.322/.352 in 2011, which is a screaming far cry from where the Rockies were, but definitely below average. The Marlins have also been linked to players such as Jose Reyes, Albert Pujols, and Prince Fielder. Why 1B, I'm not entirely sure, as Gaby Sanchez has been a consistently above average player at 1B and is emerging as a plus fielder. Not near-Pujols levels, of course, but hey, it's their money, and it'd certainly make the NL East more interesting in 2012.
But as for 3B, we're entering an all-too-familiar position for the Rockies: interest in a player that other players are interested in. Typically, we'll find a guy that makes sense for the Rockies (Mike Napoli, Josh Willingham, Javier Vazquez, Lance Berkman, Jake Westbrook, the list goes on) and the minute another team sparks interest, the Rockies are suddenly not interested anymore.
What I simultaneously do and do not understand about this team is how they shy away from any kind of competition on a target player. I understand it because I am just awful at assembling trade packages or knowing how much to offer a player in free agency. This is why their people are paid a lot of money to make these decisions. But what I don't understand is why the Rockies are suddenly not interested anymore when another team shows interest. There's some variety of "out of the budget" and concerns about the prospect cost that end up costing the team the players they need.
What the Rockies need to realize in 2012 is that they have to muster up some gumption and be willing to potentially make a bad investment. Michael Young isn't really a good example of timid bidding, as I still have the impression that Nolan Ryan vetoed the deal because he just flat out didn't want to give up Michael Young for anything less than a "you'd be stupid to say no" deal. Mike Napoli could be construed as one the Rockies missed on, although they also didn't have a grossly overpaid and washed up outfielder coming off of a strong year to trade for Napoli (we call this the Tony Reagins Special).
With an Opening Day outfield likely penciled in as Smith (Gomes)-Fowler-Gonzalez, Charlie Blackmon is probably expendable. Chris Nelson, Eric Young Jr., Ty Wigginton, those guys are guys we'd be lucky to get value on. Depending on how the Wilin Rosario situation shapes up, Jose Morales could be tradable as well (Pacheco as the emergency C) - or who knows, possibly even Chris Iannetta. Whoever it is though, the Rockies should be looking at anyone as a potential trade candidate who don't fall among the following: nailed down (Troy Tulowitzki and Carlos Gonzalez), still in their inexpensive years (Chacin and anyone younger), and Todd Helton (Todd Helton). We know from their past that they like to hold on to "favorites" for too long, and this might be the best time to buck that trend.
Stewart: Denver is ‘where I want to be’ | On the Rox — Colorado Rockies news — Denver Post
None of Stewart's comments are encouraging. He seems to see himself as a sure thing who has just hit a rough patch with injuries. He's very confident in himself, which is good, but he doesn't seem to recognize his problems, which is bad.
There's still hope for someone like Stewart, as his line over the past few years would play as average-to-above-average in the 2011 landscape. We'll see what the Rockies want to do with him.
Jorge De La Rosa, who's been ahead of his rehab schedule to date, will be starting a throwing program at the end of this week. He's throwing around timetables like "Opening Day". That's not terribly likely, but I have a good feeling about this.
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I think he was listing Helton as a non-trade candidate.
Everyone but Tulo, Cargo, Helton, and Chacin or younger should not be traded
by I_Am_Marshall on Sep 19, 2011 7:58 AM MDT up reply actions
pretty sure he wrote Helton is one of 5 NOT to trade
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 19, 2011 7:59 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Confused me the first time through, too.
Reading comprehension FTL
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Lemme see if I can clear that up
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 19, 2011 8:09 AM MDT up reply actions
Keeping that part, just rearranging the sentence so it's clearer.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 19, 2011 8:14 AM MDT up reply actions
You have failed.
Get down and give me 20.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Sep 19, 2011 8:14 AM MDT up reply actions
that's only for that particular "journalist".
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 19, 2011 11:45 AM MDT up reply actions
lol
reading comprehension is useful
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be happy, because 2012 is coming.
I think it's been edited.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Sep 19, 2011 12:19 PM MDT up reply actions
I edited it after I saw Yokel's comment
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 19, 2011 12:29 PM MDT up reply actions
but refreshing the page makes the comments do weird stuff
how would anybody know ??
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Bring in Vinny!
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I'm absolutely serious that I think Vinny C. at his current age could've put up better numbers
than the 3B’s we’ve had this year.
2011 Rockies -- what the hell?
Im pretty sure Pie Traynor
as he currently lies could put up better numbers than the current lot did
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by El Paso Jeff on Sep 19, 2011 10:14 AM MDT up reply actions
Also
The inevitable hijinks that would ensue every time Pablo Sandoval saw Pie as he was rounding 3B would totally be worth the price of the contract.
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Junction Rox on Sep 19, 2011 11:25 AM MDT up reply actions
Smith has far more trade value than Blackmon
Blackmon is an unproven rookie with doubtful power; Smith is a proven LH hitter off RHP with decent power and the top pinch-hitter in baseball. He’d make a great LH half of a DH platoon for an AL team, or a platooned half of an outfield combo. Some team not coached by Jim Tracy might also give him a shot at playing OF fulltime & see what his numbers are mid-season.
With Blackmon as an immediate replacement and Wheeler in the wings, Smith makes the best trade bait for the Rockies.
2011 Rockies -- what the hell?
Platoon OF don't really have that much trade value, actually
Name me a platoon OF that garnered decent trade value the past few seasons.
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boom, roasted
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(not roasted you, roasted wells)
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Wheeler would be better than either Smith or Blackmon
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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 19, 2011 10:34 AM MDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Better how?
Longterm? Maybe. Next year? I’m doubtful. Trade value?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 19, 2011 10:49 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure he meant trade value.
I’ve seen some proponents of selling high on Wheeler this offseason, and I think CCR is one of them.
(I might be too)
Sorry about the ambiguity of my post there.
Yes, I meant Wheeler should have higher trade value than either Blackmon or Smith this offseason. He put up a monster year in AA, but there are some big question marks surrounding him.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Sep 19, 2011 11:54 AM MDT up reply actions
All these losses and we're still only picking 11th in the draft next year?
We can’t even lose correctly.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 19, 2011 8:12 AM MDT reply actions
still 10 games to go
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 19, 2011 8:14 AM MDT up reply actions
That may be enough time to catch Oakland and Florida
That will probably be it though.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 19, 2011 8:16 AM MDT up reply actions
And 10 more HAS to mean one more Esmil start...
…so there’s one. And we travel to SF for two. Plus I’m going Tuesday so there’s a good chance we drop that one. I have too much respect for the great contributions made to this club by Aaron Cook to count his last start as a loss but…
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by Since1993 on Sep 19, 2011 9:35 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I feel you on that last sentence
if I get enough done in the next 48 hours, I’m going to that start.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 19, 2011 9:41 AM MDT up reply actions
Buzz me...
I’ll be there.
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Will do
I’m debating just cramming like 3/4 days of work into the next 2 days.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 19, 2011 11:10 AM MDT up reply actions
I blame Kevin Millwood.
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srsly
pitch effectively? what a douche
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Looking at those options, I'd almost rather just roll the dice with Stewart again given the short-term need Colorado has.
Prado would certainly be a guy I’m interested in, but I doubt he’s available. Ramirez will want too many years and too much money, Wright is too expensive, Zimmerman’s a pipe dream, and the rest aren’t too good.
Normally in this situation I’d be telling O’Dowd to gamble on a high upside, relatively low cost guy — but that’s Stewart.
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I’m right there with you. Dreadful market, and a sad list of candidates up there.
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If he does return, the last thing I'm going to do is a 3-part series on his strengths and weaknesses
I’d rather pretend he doesn’t exist
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 19, 2011 8:39 AM MDT up reply actions
Just write this
Things Ian Stewart Needs To Fix This Offseason:
Yes.
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by Muzia on Sep 19, 2011 8:40 AM MDT up reply actions 3 recs
I hate to keep bringing this up
But the decline of Atkins, Stewart, and the overall 3B situation around MLB only makes the failure to draft Longoria even worse. If one of the other options had worked out, it would be a pill Rockie fans could swallow. Seeing what has happened in the last 2.5 years however actually only makes me feel worse about not grabbing Longoria than I did when Longoria first arrived in the big leagues and showed he was going to be a star. This has become the ultimate lesson of why you draft the best player available when your spot comes up.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 19, 2011 8:42 AM MDT up reply actions
/Nolan Arenado
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He's not going to make a big impact until at least 2013
That’s still multiple years of PAIN assuming Arenado becomes what we all think he can. That pain is a constant reminder of our failure in 2006.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 19, 2011 9:00 AM MDT up reply actions
Masochist.
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Are you going to end up in a bath chair, rocking back and forth and muttering "why didn't we draft Longoria, oh god, why, why"
We KNOW okay :)
I like to believe that every guy we missed on would have had career ending surgery already
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Although
If Longoria leads Tampa past the Red Sox for this Wild Card, that will make me feel a little better. It will take years for Boston to get over this one if they blow it.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 19, 2011 9:20 AM MDT up reply actions
I…don’t think sports pain lasts as long as you are implying.*
*NOTE: Statement does not apply to fans of the Cubs, Vikings, or Pirates.
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Normally you're right
But when you are forced to watch what we have watched at 3B recently, you can’t help but think of how much that miss hurt. If Stewart was even an average third baseman I wouldn’t bring this up.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 19, 2011 9:32 AM MDT up reply actions
I can absolutely not think of that, because we can’t do anything to fix our crappy mid-00s drafts.
Spilled milk. Oh well. What’s the future look like?
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....
If Longoria and Tulowitzki lead the Rockies past the Giants for the NL West division……….
/sobs quietly in the corner
FFFFFFFFFFF.
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Sep 19, 2011 9:33 AM MDT up reply actions
If Longo had been in our system,
he’d probably have ended up like Stewart.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 19, 2011 9:35 AM MDT up reply actions
I agree :(
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Sep 19, 2011 1:04 PM MDT up reply actions
I agree :(
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Sep 19, 2011 1:04 PM MDT up reply actions
not to mention him and tulo are old buddies
there could be some sick mojo watching them hit back to back and turn double plays…
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Longo and Tulo
Back-to-back HR’s would’ve been frequent and awesome with those two…however they’d never turn double plays together. 2nd baseman covers 2nd on grounders to the left side.
why do you hate happiness
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
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What about Headley?
I want Headley.
And a pony.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 19, 2011 9:28 AM MDT up reply actions
We already have a pony.
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Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
It's anyway, not anyways.
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by Since1993 on Sep 19, 2011 9:41 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
A little pony.
FFFFFFFFFFF.
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Sep 19, 2011 9:57 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
but a pony, nonetheless.
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A lot is two words. Allot can be one word but it has another meaning.
The only time you really want to use "myself" is when you are the recipient of your own action. Usually you're better off using "me."
Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
It's anyway, not anyways.
But if you only remember one thing...
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
But an important distinction no?
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Can this pony play the Wii?
I want a Wii Pony
FFFFFFFFFFF.
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Sep 19, 2011 11:04 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Wait , are you saying you want
Wilin to be the new pony? I’m confused
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No, a Wii pony
/somebody hasn’t watched the annoying orange
FFFFFFFFFFF.
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Sep 19, 2011 11:12 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I've seen the annoying orange.
My nickname for Wilin is Wii…..
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I want two ponies.
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by glaucophane on Sep 19, 2011 11:01 AM MDT up reply actions
I want two unicorns.
Oh, wait.
This year sucks.
by prettyinpurple on Sep 19, 2011 11:09 AM MDT up reply actions
I want a quadicorn
FFFFFFFFFFF.
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Sep 19, 2011 11:13 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Oh, that's just silly!
Now, we could get ourselves a nice hippopotamus – deadliest animal in Africa, baby!
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
A lot is two words. Allot can be one word but it has another meaning.
The only time you really want to use "myself" is when you are the recipient of your own action. Usually you're better off using "me."
Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
It's anyway, not anyways.
But if you only remember one thing...
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
We have a walkapotamus
It has proven to be pretty deadly from time to time too…
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by Junction Rox on Sep 19, 2011 11:35 AM MDT up reply actions
A left-handed one and a right-handed one?
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by glaucophane on Sep 19, 2011 11:19 AM MDT up reply actions
That would be awesome.
This year sucks.
by prettyinpurple on Sep 19, 2011 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions
I think I would hope that other teams think Stewart was badly handled by the Rockies, and trade him while other teams are desperate for a 3B.
I don’t think he’s going to bounce back with the Rockies.
I’m not sure that Tracy is the right manager for a young guy with high upside who hasn’t performed, and I’m not sure that Ian is going to do the things necessary to improve.
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by glaucophane on Sep 19, 2011 11:00 AM MDT up reply actions
No more Stewart, please!
Yes, I think Stewie has a place in the Rockies organization, maybe in Single A or AA. He is not major league material, and needs to be sold, or relegated to oblivion.
by Real Perspective on Sep 19, 2011 11:09 AM MDT up reply actions
Why would you want to block Brett Tanos?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 19, 2011 11:10 AM MDT up reply actions
OMG
we don’t have a new alan johnson, do we??
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Yeah, his name is Dan Houston.
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Wait, so we could have a Dan Houston
and a Huston Street?
This is almost as amusing as the Mattpen
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We had a Johns(t)on pitching staff with AAA at the end there.
Alan Johnson, Blake Johnson, Andrew Johnston. All three are leaving the organization after the season.
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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 19, 2011 12:33 PM MDT up reply actions
Some big misinformed talking head needs to pick our next Alan Johnson
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 19, 2011 12:30 PM MDT up reply actions
I could have sworn I read at least one talking head advocate calling up Dan Houston to eat innings this year...
… but that could have been an article comment somewhere. They all sound alike sometimes. :D
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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 19, 2011 12:34 PM MDT up reply actions
roger dorn
i was flipping channels last night – ran into Major League…
classic!!!
“KY ball, grounded to short….”
So...our pitchers sure suck this year.
Looks like we will have zero pitchers reach 2.5 fWAR. Maybe one (or none) over 2.0 fWAR.
And who is sitting at 2.6 fWAR right now? Look.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 19, 2011 8:44 AM MDT reply actions
This is actually an excellent exmple of why I think when it comes to pitching
rWAR >>>>>>>>>> fWAR. I just can’t put that much stock into FIP. Chacin and Francis have tossed the same amount of innings this season and Chacin’s ERA is over a run lower despite pitching half his games at Coors Field. There’s no way anyone is going to convince me that Francis has been a better pitcher than Chacin. rWAR’s 3.9 rating of Chacin and 1.4 rating of Francis passes the smell test MUCH better.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 19, 2011 8:56 AM MDT up reply actions
Can't just pick and choose which stats you agree with, man
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 19, 2011 9:02 AM MDT up reply actions
I've always felt rWAR >>>>>>fWAR for pitcher but fWAR >>>>> than rWAR for hitters though
This was a good example for the pitching side.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 19, 2011 9:05 AM MDT up reply actions
Sure you can...
Pitcher wins, anyone?
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Hm. Good point.
I think RIRF and I were on the same page there… As far as “pick and choose” I mean we can’t say “xFIP says Ubaldo is still good, but tRA says he’s bad so I’ll use xFIP for him; xFIP says Lincecum owns but SIERA says he sucks, so I’ll use SIERA for him”
There are some caveats, Ubaldo being a key example. xFIP undervalued him, but it wasn’t just because OMG HE’S AN ACE HOW CAN YOU NOT SAY HE’S OUTSTANDING, xFIP, it was more because it was apparent that his HR suppression was demonstrably repeatable (before this year ): ) but xFIP would just normalize to league average HR/FB (which I object to on principle).
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 19, 2011 11:14 AM MDT up reply actions
Got it.
I think we all agree. I read RIRF’s Op as fWAR is not good for any pitchers.
"Surgeons have determined that doing the wave will, yes, will cause tears to the suprapinatus muscle and the infraspinatus muscle from the throwing of an individual's arms rapidly into the air. In addition, any children doing the wave will be sold to the circus. Do NOT do the wave in the ballpark. Doing the wave is safe at pro football games and Miley Cyrus concerts.
-scoreboard announcement at Ranger Ballpark in Arlington via Baseball Nation.
that's what he said, yeah
My quibble is “You can’t say fWAR is no good but rWAR is good as it suits your case” and his example of “well I KNOW that Chacin was more valuable than Francis!”
In all honesty I wonder if there’s a bug in their stored procedures.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 19, 2011 11:28 AM MDT up reply actions
Yes - Chacin is better-- and more valuable.
Would be nice to have him fix his positioning problems. But that should be doable this off season.
by Real Perspective on Sep 19, 2011 3:18 PM MDT up reply actions
Francis' BABIP is 50 points higher, and his walk rate is less than half (12th best in MLB)
That’d be why
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 19, 2011 9:03 AM MDT up reply actions
Chacin ALWAYS outperforms his FIP though
Look at any year at any level you want and his ERA will ALWAYS be better than his FIP. Chacin has the ability to induce an abnormally large number of outs when the ball is put in play – And this isn’t SSS anymore. FIP misses the boat on several pitches – Chacin is one of them – and this makes fWAR (for pitchers) a weaker stat in my mind.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 19, 2011 9:08 AM MDT up reply actions
I just don't like pitcher WAR altogether.
I like ERA+ as a go-to stat for comparisons within a specific year. From year-to-year, xFIP is ok.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 19, 2011 9:31 AM MDT up reply actions
FIP
certainly has it’s purposes. But, like most stats, it has it’s flaws. I do believe, however, that FIP’s flaws are much greater than other advance stats.
Precisely my feelings
I like FIP as a tool, but not as the crux of a WAR calculation.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 19, 2011 10:10 AM MDT up reply actions
Couple observations/questions of fWAR
Was Nicasio the Rockies best starting pitcher (Not taking innings pitched into consideration of course) in 2011? .
Seems like the top starters including Ubaldo were from the Intl FA market. This is quite impressive/kind of sad….
Time for some of this Rockies: "One of the beautiful things about baseball is that every once in a while you come into a situation where you want to, and where you have to, reach down and prove something." Nolan Ryan
It depends what stat you look at (ERA, ERA+, FIP, xFIP, K/BB...........)
I would probably rank our starters 1) JDLR 2) Chacin and 3) Nicasio but this is really up for debate.
Also, I just saw your comment from Friday this morning – Thanks.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 19, 2011 9:38 AM MDT up reply actions
If you're going on the rate version of fWAR, then the "best pitcher" would just be the lowest FIP
Among starters, that’s Pomeranz, de la Rosa, Ubaldo, then Nicasio.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 19, 2011 10:05 AM MDT up reply actions
you're forgetting
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
I so wanted him back for another go-round this year...
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Look who else might get pretty close to 2.5
by purplesocks on Sep 19, 2011 10:32 AM MDT up reply actions
Paulino does tend to undermine the validity of the stat...
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he's pretty good as a starter
He should’ve been a starter the whole time
Shame on Houston and Colorado for wasting this man’s talents, and good on KC.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 19, 2011 11:15 AM MDT up reply actions
I want to see a SIERA or tERA based WAR
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 19, 2011 11:15 AM MDT up reply actions
That would be spectacular
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 19, 2011 11:26 AM MDT up reply actions
Possibly.
I just think the idea of pitcher WAR, especially for starters, who pitch 35 games at a maximum, is a little tough to balance out.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 19, 2011 11:28 AM MDT up reply actions
it's an innings thing though
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 19, 2011 11:28 AM MDT up reply actions
I understand.
But the W is WAR is not. I don’t know. I just think it’s a strange stat for pitchers. And the existing formulas are pretty weak. Maybe there is a better way to do it.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 19, 2011 11:30 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm not sure where the disconnect is
All players on the field accumulate value in one form or another, whether through pitching or fielding or batting.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 19, 2011 11:32 AM MDT up reply actions
35 is a small number
until you consider starting pitchers generally face more hitters in a season than a hitter has plate appearances.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 19, 2011 11:29 AM MDT up reply actions
Pitching is the issue
I still say that the Wandy Rodriguez waiver claim (even at his $12MM (?) salary) shows that DO’D thinks that pitching is the main priority. Assuming that the market and Rockies finances provide some limits, I agree with DO’D to focus mainly on pitching because (i) there is more value to be obtained in SP, and (ii) because playoff teams start with good pitching.
When the season first began, our pitching was seen as our ticket to the playoffs ...
Look how things have changed with injuries etc. We lost many game when the pitchers were great but the out field sucked. Pitching needs to be backed up with a good quality field. I wish we could get BOTH. …/sigh
In all things, it is better to hope than despair.
No QUESTON Stewart should be back...
We have to look at his lost season as an “anomoly” at this point due to the lack of better alternatives. At age 26, Ian has time to restore his career path to what it was before this pratfall in 2011. Even an “Average Stewart” putting up numbers consistent with his 2008 – 2010 production would out-hit and out-field what is out there, and certainly would be better than we got from Wiggy and the rest of the stiffs who played in his place this year at the hot corner.
If Stewart is willing to stay here for less money, let’s get it done. He’s probably the best we’re gonna be able to get, anyway. We aren’t signing Ramirez in my view, and I highly doubt we would trade for David Wright. BTW, anyone noticed Wright’s numerous errors of late? Do we really want him?
A.) love the use of the word pratfall...
B.) Kind of agree with retaining Stewart as long as he gets that it’s “make good or else” time. I think a big part of his problem has been attitude. He really needs a wake-up call.
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Maybe a new manager would help.
/firetracy
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 19, 2011 10:06 AM MDT up reply actions
LDMM for manager
FFFFFFFFFFF.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Sep 19, 2011 10:09 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Hmmmm, maybe but who do you get?
1998: We gotta fire Baylor!
2001: Hit the bricks, Bell!
2008: First, replace Hurdle with Jim Tracy…
I don’t know. Not disagreeing but I just wonder who would be better. Ozzie would sure be more fun.
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Alan Trammel, Weiss, or Castilla
FFFFFFFFFFF.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Sep 19, 2011 10:22 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
My top three candidates:
1: Dave Martinez, Rays Bench Coach
2: Don Wakamatsu, Blue Jays Bench Coach, Former Blue Jays Manager
3: Alan Trammel, Diamondbacks Bench Coach, Former Tigers Manager
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 19, 2011 10:22 AM MDT up reply actions
you sold me on Martinez on Saturday
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 19, 2011 11:16 AM MDT up reply actions
There's another guy who seemed to learn a lot from Maddon.
His name is Mike Sciocia. He’s not doing too bad. And he probably taught Maddon a few things as well. Give me Martinez.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 19, 2011 11:19 AM MDT up reply actions
Hell yeah he's a good manager!
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 19, 2011 11:25 AM MDT up reply actions
Mike Sciosia
would be fun around here. The place might burn to the ground.
There are just so few managers who know anything about
player development and motivation. He’s one of them, but he’s never leaving L.A. I want to get someone who is like that, because once you have them, they help build your team. This brings a lot more value to that spot.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 19, 2011 11:53 AM MDT up reply actions
I was thinking more about
his super-duper old school mentalities about player usage, all that. I haven’t studied him closely but he seems about as anti-SABR as any manager could be, and his use of catchers would make Jim Tracy seem like a hero around here. Maybe I’m wrong in those assumptions, but the guy just bleeds old-school.
But I’d be happy to have him. Living in LA, nobody in this area, even Phil Jackson, gets the kind of tempered respect from all sides (players, media, fans) that he does. Its rare he’s ever criticized. Part of that is because the Angels aren’t as visible as some other teams, but most of it I’m sure is just that he’s a respected guy that wins a lot. And the last part there is all I really care about anyway.
I've never heard of him being Anti-SABR.
In fact, I’ve usually read that he keeps an open mind, and tries a balanced approach using stats as part of his thinking. Maddon is a little more of a SABR-guy, but he’s about the same in his philosophy. Maybe I am missing something though.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 19, 2011 12:07 PM MDT up reply actions
I don't mean that he's anti-SABR
in some sort of outwardly strident manner, but he’s a guy that believes heavily in bunting, playing for 1 run, stolen bases, small ball, all that jazz. Will play awful OBP guys for various unscientific reasons, etc. My friend is a big Angels fan and a SABR guy, and constantly critiques the moves, but without the hatred that JT inspires. But all that is not a real criticism from me, I just want results and he gets them.
No.
He has never worked as a coach or manager of any sort at the major league level. I’d hire him as a Bench Coach, but not the manager.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 19, 2011 12:22 PM MDT up reply actions
what's good with Martinez?
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Joe Maddon is the best manager in the game.
He not only understands statistics, but more importantly he understands how to motivate adult professionals and how to develop players. My assumption is that Martinez has spent four seasons now under his tutelage, and could apply his ideas, along with some of his own, to our club. And our club really needs someone who is a motivator and understands payer development as a manager.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 19, 2011 12:24 PM MDT up reply actions
I would take almost anyone associated with the Rays.
Talk about a team that can make the most of their talent and budget.
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by glaucophane on Sep 19, 2011 11:18 AM MDT up reply actions
I'll also say that there should be relatively few teams looking for managers this offseason,
so the market should be pretty good.
This will not be the case next year.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 19, 2011 10:28 AM MDT up reply actions
Explain.
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There were quite a few teams that hired new managers in the offseason
or midseason last year. Most were hired to two-year contracts. Barring any unforeseen disaster, most will see it out through their contracts. That leaves only a handful of teams looking this year. With the possible exception of the Nats, we’re probably the best-looking organization.
Teams most likely looking for new managers:
White Sox, Astros, Marlins, Nats
Other possibilities, but unlikely:
Cubs, Royals, Padres
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 19, 2011 11:26 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm aware of a possible White Sox-Fish-Cardinals merry-go-round...
…and I’d put the Cubs as a higher probability than the Padres. I understand the Nats like Davey Johnson (Riggleman – what an idiot!) Astros are a possibility with new owners coming in but jeez, who blames Mills?
Aren’t there five or six skippers on the hot seat every year and at least five or six guys who seem like great replacement candidates?
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Usually there are more guys on the hot seat than this year.
That’s my point really. This year, the market should be better for us.
I didn’t really rank them in order of possibility. Anyone who is not on that last is almost guaranteed not to be in the market for a manager. Unless the Cardinals get into the mix, which is highly doubtful, we have the best situation for any incoming manager out of the other likely suiters. The only ones who might be close to us would be the Nats, but there are some questions there due to the difficulty of that division.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 19, 2011 11:45 AM MDT up reply actions
That might be more of a shift in thinking to...
…“continuity” being more paramount than it used to be.
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I don't think so.
It’s just that everybody got fired last year. Next year will be another bloodbath.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 19, 2011 12:00 PM MDT up reply actions
If the Padres let go of Bud
I would love him to become the next Rockie skipper. Didn’t follow him up much this season but he still seemed to get a lot out of his team.
by Cargo'es Yard on Sep 19, 2011 11:57 AM MDT up reply actions
SDSU, baby!
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I think that's a very slim chance,
but it’s possible.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 19, 2011 11:59 AM MDT up reply actions
Okay I've see this "attitude" thing before.
I’m still unclear as to where his “attitude” affects his performance.
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from the Denver Post article above
"In my opinion, the Rockies’ best option at third base is right here in their own organization with me,’’ he said. "I feel like, defensively and offensively, if they’re looking for all those things, all they’ve got to do is put Stewart in the lineup somewhere. — Ian Stewart
He still has a very high opinion of himself as a player, which is a mixed bag.
He doesn’t say anywhere that he’s at fault for his awful year, and that’s a problem. For someone who has never “slopped hogs” his entire life, it’s difficult to adjust to a challenge where you are the one that needs to fix yourself. He’s never had to, and I don’t sense the type of commitment he needs to get on track. That article was disconcerting to me.
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Sounds like he needs his father-in-law to shove a boot up his ass.
Jim Tracy sure as hell isn’t the type of personality to do it.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Sep 19, 2011 10:20 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Quite.
“I really didn’t improve on my swing from last year like I’d wanted to. I need to concentrate on putting the ball in play and using the whole field. I’m going to do whatever it takes to get back to being the player I know I can be. I’ll work with Carney – I’ll work with anybody to get better and show this club that I belong at third next year.”
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Is this a quote from another article?
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I believe it's all the things he didn't say...
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Whose to say he doesn't believe those things inwardly
but outwardly wants to project confidence? I’m not sure what all the fuss is about. Nor have I ever gotten all the fuss about his “attitude”.
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A fair point but...
An “I’m their best option, they need to keep me and play me” attitude after really bad results is not the sort of projection I wanted to see. I’m hoping he does feel the need internally to get better. I would still definitely pick him up for next year (at a lower rate) but let him know that it’s put up or shut up time.
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I'm sitting on the fence here
Like Cat’s suggesting, we don’t know what’s REALLY going through his mind. He might be thinking all of the things we want him to say. But why wouldn’t you just say them? If his comments really do reflect his state of mind though, he doesn’t realize why the team is debating on cutting ties with him.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 19, 2011 11:20 AM MDT up reply actions
This, more or less.
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It's anyway, not anyways.
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I really don't care what he says
or doesn’t say to the media. But PHLP’s prior knocking of his attitude was supposedly insider/off the record stuff, and this article seems to be right in line (as is his performance). I don’t care if we give him a run again next year or not given how unlikely a real impact replacement is, but I’m long since done having any hope for him.
This.
Players never say anything interesting, nor insightful.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 19, 2011 10:36 AM MDT up reply actions
Yes...it's from the Bizarro Ian Stewart.
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I didn't find it as disconcerting.
I don’t expect him to come out and say publicly he was completely worthless and that he is ashamed of himself. I don’t think any athlete would necessarily say that. If he is completely demoralized, then he may be closer to giving up. If he is confident, then I think he’ll be more motivated to get back on track. I can’t verify any claims I just made, but pop-psychology is sure fun!
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by BittenAnkles on Sep 19, 2011 10:24 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm more inclined to your interpretation.
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Oh, I agree...
If he said he was worthless and he was ashamed, I’d let him go immediately. But if he acknowledged he’s on a journey and had not reached his destination yet, that would make me much more sanguine about where his mind is than the “I’m the best they’ve got” thing he went with.
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But this isn't the first time, Ian's "attitude" has been questioned. And I still dont' really understand it.
And frankly if our options at 3B are still Wiggy, Kouz, and Nelson, despite his horrible season, which might be an anomaly, he’s really not that wrong. Because he IS a better defensive 3B than those three players.
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If you think you're an extremely talented player who just had a bad year
there’s less motivation to work hard than if you know that it’s your fault you had a bad year. I don’t see any of that in this (limited) interview.
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I guess I'm not too worried about what Ian says or doesn't say.
It’s not like he’s a team leader etc.
I’m pretty sure he already knows that he’s on about the thinnest ice there is. And if he doesn’t produce he’s gone.
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He doesn't need to be a team leader
But a productive member of the team is critical. We need – NEED – him to get better, and fast. NEED.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 19, 2011 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions
No doubt about that.
I’m just saying that his words don’t carry the weight of say, Tulo’s, CarGo’s or Helton’s.
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In terms of the team, I'd agree with you.
But in terms of his personal goals/objectives, I’d say his words carry a lot of weight.
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Not as far as the team goes
but we’re not worried about everyone else (as far as this discussion goes), we’re worried about Stewart. We don’t need Stewart to worry about the rest of the team, we need him to worry about himself.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 19, 2011 11:26 AM MDT up reply actions
Here's what I'm trying to say that I'm obviously failing at.
My perception is that collectively at PR, there has been a inordinate amount of attention paid to what Ian says, that I believe has little to no relationship to Ian’s play. I post tweets that come from Renck about most of the players because I think it’s relevant or somewhat interesting. And I’ve been as guilty as anyone about it.
I just get the distinct impression that some people look for a sign of his “bad attitude” in every word.
Does that make sense? I think ever since the hog sloppin’, twitterpating days his every word and deed is parsed for more than any other players. I just think it’s weird and I don’t get it.
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It's because he's vocal, and has a lot of untapped potential
Everyone’s looking for a way to tap that, and we’ve discussed his plate coverage or whatever to death. But as long as he keeps saying things, we try and use that as the inlet to his mentality as a player. I’m not saying so much “rahhhh he’s not trying I hate him” but if anything he says is to be taken seriously, it doesn’t SOUND like he realizes that he’s in a very, very bad spot. You should know that I’m a bigtime Stewart defender by now, and even I’m shaking my head by now and wondering what’s going through his head.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 19, 2011 11:35 AM MDT up reply actions
It's not what he says...
It’s how he professionaly approaches his job at the plate. I don’t see anything there to work with anymore. He doesn’t seem to recognize that all his flaws are now fully exposed; and he has done nothing concrete to correct them.
It’s more than just his swing mechanics now. He needs to understand how he’s always hitting from behind and how the pitchers are working him and he’s NOT working them.
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Not to mention that Tulowitzki called him out in the press
for having his “eyes on arbitration” instead of playing hard on the field. It’s not a new phenomenon, and at this point there’s so much evidence supporting it, we have to consider it credible.
Some days, I feel like I’ve accidentally entered the Church of Tulowitzki on Baseball Easter.
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I thought Troy was calling out Smith in that one article.
FFFFFFFFFFF.
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Sep 19, 2011 10:33 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
During Stewart's last stint with the team?
I have trouble believing he was talking about Smith over Stewie….
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Me too.
Pretty sure it was Stew.
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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 19, 2011 11:54 AM MDT up reply actions
I thought it was about Smith as well.
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Why would he be calling out one of the few productive members of the team?
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 19, 2011 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions
He also said this last offseason
“There are definitely some guys in this locker room that are at points in their career where it’s make-or-break time. Either they establish themselves at this level, or they aren’t going to be here,” Tulowitzki said.
“Those guys need to realize that. The offseason is huge. It’s not enjoy yourself and go on as many vacations as you possibly can, then go to spring training and get ready. That’s a valuable lesson that I hope a lot of people learned this year. Not everybody did that, and the guys that did that, it shows.”
……..which I think may have been targeted at Stewart.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 19, 2011 10:50 AM MDT up reply actions
Or any other player that was struggling.
One might also think it was directed at Ubaldo too. Considering Ubaldo went on vacation etc…
Look I’m not Ian’s great defender. I just think sometimes too much is made of every word that comes out of his mouth. I can understand if people don’t like Ian for whatever reasons, but I just really fail to see where “attitude” is directly proportional to performance.
Clint Barmes is one of the nicest, most humble players and couldn’t hit the ocean from a boat in the middle of the ocean. I’m not sure Tulo’s words were solely directed at Ian..
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How was Ubaldo at a make-or-break point in his career last offseason?
It screams Ian Stewart.
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This was made before Ubaldo went on his long vacation.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 19, 2011 10:57 AM MDT up reply actions
I'll bet Troy knew Ubaldo was going on vacation(I'm joking)
Fair enough,.
But again, I just think all this hub bub every year over every little thing Ian says or doesn’t say is just odd. We don’t obsess over other players words to this degree.
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No other player on this team was the #4 overall prospect in baseball
And no other player on this team has ever had a year as worthless and disastrous as Stewart has this year.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 19, 2011 11:09 AM MDT up reply actions
No doubt.
So is it massive disappointment that has led us to this point?
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It has certainly put every nuance of his more under the microscope
I mean, we sure didn’t care in March about Ubaldo’s European vacation in January, did we?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 19, 2011 11:14 AM MDT up reply actions
Why he gets quoted
Stewie appears to be one who is willing to talk with the press and let his feelings be known. Others are quieter. So he gets more press.
Am I right on this one?
by Real Perspective on Sep 19, 2011 11:11 AM MDT up reply actions
That doesn't explain why we seem to hyperfocus
on Ian’s words.. I guess Ian is guilty of being “Nuke” LaLoosh before he was called up to the majors This goes back to his twitter days too.
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I'm backing you up here, Cat.
People love to assume they have less intrinsic bias towards the attitudes of other people due to the separation, and this isn’t just a problem in the sports community. You see this everywhere in life; people strongly skeptical about other people having the ability to be self-aware to the point where their own understanding of themselves is superior to some third party trying to play armchair psychologist.
Now, to be clear, I have no problem with people coming to their own conclusions about Stewart’s comments. I do the same thing with people, and really there’s no other way to operate. It’s a necessary substitute for the ultimate form of empathy that is impossible to attain. This isn’t a discussion of how Stewart’s comments are interpreted. They are relative, like all other things, and can be picked clean as much as is desired.
That said, I think it is plainly clear to me that there have always been an extraordinary amount of assumptions made about Stewart, the most common and to me disrespectful of which is that he’s got no perspective. Chances are he does, and unless he has some sort of bizarre psychological handicap, it’s far better than anyone here or elsewhere can even pretend to have in a superior position.
It’s absurd to think any of us have a better understanding of Ian Stewart than Ian Stewart.
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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 19, 2011 11:42 AM MDT up reply actions
Have ever noticed that really successful Top Prospects
have much better attitudes than unsuccessful Top Proscpects
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by TomCat009 on Sep 19, 2011 11:45 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I support Cat,
but mostly because players never say anything insightful nor important.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 19, 2011 11:46 AM MDT up reply actions
Assumptions is the wrong word here
People here (for the most part) are making educated guesses based on repeated quotes from those in the know that have less than stellar things to say about Ian Stewart’s perspective.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 19, 2011 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions
I don't really care how "educated" these guesses are...
…and from my view, calling these guesses educated at all is frankly precisely the separational entitlement I refer to in my post that is such a problem in our society. It straight up offends me. It rots my very soul.
I would describe an educated guess would be someone who knows a lot more about Ian Stewart as a human being than a plethora of third hand information, and even that educated guess would pale in comparison to any first hand gleaning of the man’s psychology. What this is, to me,
In my eyes, this is nothing but judgmental arrogance. As I said, there is nothing wrong with you or anyone else coming to your own conclusions about someone.
We all do this, we all have to lest we have no opinions at all. But for anyone to claim that they know someone better than they know themselves shows an extreme lack of understanding.
I don’t think Troy Tulowitzki is a particularly good person. Do I know him? No. Is that even an educated guess? NO. Am I able to understand that this particular assessment has almost no basis in reality and the slightest bit of more tangible evidence could change it in a heartbeat? YES.
So again, if people want to think Ian Stewart might be lazy/lacking in self awareness/playing too many video games/spending too much time on Twitter/whatever, that’s FINE, but it cannot be forgotten that regardless, there’s no education here. Only guessing. It is just an unbelievable presumption for one to assume they have a better understanding of someone than they do.
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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 19, 2011 12:06 PM MDT up reply actions
What this is, to me, is another example of a third party assuming (yes, assuming) that their image of a human being is most reliable.
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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 19, 2011 12:07 PM MDT up reply actions
It quacks like a duck.
It looks like a duck.
We’ve heard numerous second hand reports that it’s a duck.
It’s probably a duck.
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Do ducks subject themselves to public ridicule
to help sick kids?
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My opinion of Tulo is based solely on my own personal bias.
Ian Stewart is a completely different animal. A duck.
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What does foot speed have to do with anything
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Except when it could also be a rabbit.
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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 19, 2011 12:14 PM MDT up reply actions
What kind of rabbit quacks like a duck????
"Surgeons have determined that doing the wave will, yes, will cause tears to the suprapinatus muscle and the infraspinatus muscle from the throwing of an individual's arms rapidly into the air. In addition, any children doing the wave will be sold to the circus. Do NOT do the wave in the ballpark. Doing the wave is safe at pro football games and Miley Cyrus concerts.
-scoreboard announcement at Ranger Ballpark in Arlington via Baseball Nation.
Think less as manifestation and more as interpretation.
Muzia believes that he has uncovered enough evidence second hand to call Ian Stewart his duck. That’s fine; up to the subjectivity of the interpretor entirely. Muzia never claimed to know Stewart better than Stewart does.
While the Wittgensteinian analogy may end at the visual realm before it starts getting logical questions like yours the principal is still valid. It can look, sound and walk like a duck, and still not be a duck.
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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 19, 2011 12:20 PM MDT up reply actions
But odds are, if there's a mountain of evidence towards one particular conclusion
that’s most likely the correct conclusion.
I’d call that the definition of an educated guess.
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How about an educated assumption?
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It remains difficult for me to call anything that can be applied towards another person an educated guess unless you are close to that person.
This “that there darn crazy Stanwood relativism shin’in through again”, I know, and I apologize for the obtuseness, but I do not find any reliable evidence towards that particular conclusion.
If I heard a quack my mind would probably think “duck” too. My thoughts are generally far from objective in principal (I do not believe in objectivity as it relates to any experience as a subjective being), but yes, I concede that even with that PRINCIPAL belief, I’m still going to operate under the assumption that it is a duck, but with the understanding that it is still an assumption.
Again, your conclusion based upon the evidence is not wrong, and I am not trying to argue that in any way. What bothers me isn’t the conclusion, more the belief that their interpretation is more reliable than the actual one in question, originating from the subject, Ian Stewart. I haven’t seen you doing that, so I wasn’t trying to imply you were.
To try and be more precise: what is bothering me is people, anywhere, assuming that Stewart is in some kind of self-awareness denial, and that we as far separated but nonetheless presumably intelligent, analytical people can overcome that with our own judgment. I argue that one cannot do this. This one issue is essentially a template fit for what I consider to be a serious philosophical problem amongst humanity, which explains why I am unable to avoid arguing this.
But since this is a baseball forum, and what I’m really doing is just substituting a thinly veiled baseball related template for a much larger philosophical issue that is really the location of my passion for this subject. I’ll try and stop making such a big deal out of it. :D I already know my views on these subjects tend to be disorderly at best (a side effect of so much philosophy study alongside my film education; opinions galore!)
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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 19, 2011 12:32 PM MDT up reply actions
You're comments are just too long for me today.
I’m sure they’re really insightful though.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 19, 2011 12:36 PM MDT up reply actions
That comment was basically one big apology for using this baseball topic as a proxy for a philosophical quandry that rattles me.
So for you I will amend that with an apology for a lack of brevity. :D
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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 19, 2011 12:38 PM MDT up reply actions
No need to apologize.
I’m just actually trying to get things done.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 19, 2011 12:40 PM MDT up reply actions
See: 1970's Elton John
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So people still think Tulo is a douche, eh?
Hm
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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 19, 2011 12:09 PM MDT up reply actions
I just think he looks like one
I try not to judge, but I am not sinless…
Just an average guy with exceptional hair. Nothing more, nothing less.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Sep 19, 2011 1:11 PM MDT up reply actions
You're not wrong...
I just wasn’t really crazy about Ian’s self assessment in this particular article. There have been questions in the past about how badly Ian “wants it” with the tweets and all but that I don’t really focus on. I was just that much underwhelmed by him in this interview. I wanted more “I’m confident that I can get better and I know what I need to do” than I got.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 19, 2011 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions
The biggest problem I have with Ian Stewart is that (at least with his quotes in the press)
he fails to take accountability for his actions. A failure to acknowledge those flaws is troubling because you can’t address them until you are honest with yourself about the mistakes you’ve made.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 19, 2011 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions
I really
doubt Ian is that un self-aware. I mean surely he knows he’s struggling. But I also think he’s correct that his defense is excellent and has not gone downhill because of his poor hitting. In some ways, his a bit like Tulo in that I think Ian might value his defensive skills more than his offensive skills. But obviously Ian knows he’s on his last leg here.
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What he seems to lack though (at least in his comments) is a
Here’s where I screwed up – And here’s how I’m going to improve that. He talks about how he can get better next season (although using this year as a baseline is not setting the bar very high) and how he thinks he’s the best man for the job (and if he reaches his potential he’s right) but he doesn’t seem to have a plan on how he’s going to get there.
There’s an old saying that goes “If you fail to prepare, you are preparing to fail”. There are several indications that point towards this applying to Ian Stewart.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 19, 2011 11:34 AM MDT up reply actions
But again, just because he's not saying
publicly, doesn’t mean he doesn’t know it?
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It would get him a vote of confidence from many if he took a route of showing some humility.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 19, 2011 11:36 AM MDT up reply actions
I guess I'm weird
because I haven’t interpreted any of this as a lack of humility. I guess I don’t really care that much one way or the other what he says. The proof will be in his pudding.
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Knowing it is half the battle, Cat! :)
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Huh?
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not a big GI Joe fan?
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Knowing that you're weird.
And there was that requisite smiley thing so you had to know that I was kidding.
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Oh...gotcha :)
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His public actions
As well as comments made by those in the know would suggest he’s not completely in touch with what he needs to do. I can’t be 100% sure, but it’s where I’d place my money.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 19, 2011 11:39 AM MDT up reply actions
The big danger in retaining Stewart is
management may decide to play him.
He is blocking the entrance of a better player. Get rid iof him before it is too late!
by Real Perspective on Sep 19, 2011 3:22 PM MDT up reply actions
He’s blocking no one this season. Tender him a one-year deal and see what happens. No lose.
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He is blocking the entrance of a better player.
Unfortunately, I’m not sure anyone can be sure of that.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 19, 2011 3:27 PM MDT up reply actions
An Idea I threw out last year but would be more expensive this year
Trade Wheeler and one of our SS prospects, and maybe a pitching prospect for Alex Gordon, he was a decent/slightly below average 3B and would hold down the Hot Corner until Arenado arrives at which point he could move to LF to team with Dex and Cargo.
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I actually traded Dex and Cook for Gordon and Jeffres in a game
He’s had kind of an awesome season though. He won’t come cheap
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 19, 2011 11:28 AM MDT up reply actions
You think Wheeler, Story/Nina/Herrera, and Bettis is cheap?
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i'm not giving up bettis for anything yet
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be happy, because 2012 is coming.
Agreed. Story either until we've seen him for a year or two.
Kid could be dynamite.
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I would LOVE Gordon anywhere in this lineup
I just don’t see KC moving him anymore.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 19, 2011 11:29 AM MDT up reply actions
Yeah you are probably right after this year
last year we probably could have had him for a Stewart, Nelson, and EY2 package
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He would give dex and Cargo a lot of looks with someone on 2B when they came to the plate
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I think Gordon's big year...
Makes him an unlikely trade candidate…but the Royals may want to sell high.
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It's anyway, not anyways.
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He has two years of Arb left they traded Dejesus with 1 year of Arb left
I just see him as a guy that would plug a lot of holes here, and while they may need to be blown away, I would at least like us to put a call in on him
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Not bad.
I don’t think the Royals will relinquish him after this year though. I still want Chase Headley.
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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 19, 2011 11:58 AM MDT up reply actions
If either can be had(and they might available considering how young both teams are)
then I want us front and center
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Back to back HR's for the O's
They are now up on Boston 5-1 in the 4th.
/Drama continues to build.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 19, 2011 12:03 PM MDT reply actions
Yep!
Go Rays!
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Yep
Boston plays a double header today while Tampa has the day off so they could be tied in the loss after today. (Not likely though)
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 19, 2011 12:05 PM MDT up reply actions
I will be more than happy if both Boston and SF miss the playoffs.
Though the Giants recent surge has me a bit worried with 10 games to go..
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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 19, 2011 12:07 PM MDT up reply actions
I hope the Giants have the best record of any NL team that misses the Playoffs
the one thing that FO is decent at is drafting in the top half of the 1st round, plus you know that Sabes will totally be willing to lose a first to sign a Vet.
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Atlanta is gonna have to really fall apart to let San Fran get in this
As long as AZ takes one in the series this week they should be Okay for the divsion too. Idealy the Giants will have the best record of any NL team to miss the playoffs (which seems very possible right now.
Would love to see the Red Sox and Giants draft 21st and 22nd next year.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 19, 2011 12:11 PM MDT up reply actions
Ah.
Cardinals 3.5 GB of Braves, Giants 4 GB.
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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 19, 2011 12:13 PM MDT up reply actions
Saaaax have drafted pretty well of late...
At the back of the pack, too.
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They'll lose that pick though now that I think of it
No way they don’t sign a type A in response to blowing this lead (if they do).
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 19, 2011 12:17 PM MDT up reply actions
If you're right...
and you probably are, in this case: I’ll guess C.J. Wilson first with Prince Fielder 2nd.
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I dont think they go after Fielder
They already have Papi and AGon.
I think they will be heavy on the free agent pitching though
by purplesocks on Sep 19, 2011 12:47 PM MDT up reply actions
totally spaced AGon!
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It's anyway, not anyways.
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epstein will be wary, though
given how lackey has worked out….
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be happy, because 2012 is coming.
I bet not...
Where else is he going to go for pitching? It’s either Wilson or he trades a lot of his prospects. If Darvish is posted, does he do a Dice-K again?
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A lot is two words. Allot can be one word but it has another meaning.
The only time you really want to use "myself" is when you are the recipient of your own action. Usually you're better off using "me."
Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
It's anyway, not anyways.
But if you only remember one thing...
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
not sure what boston will do with that
they’re probably not eager to shell out a lot of cash this offseason, given the crawford and gonzalez contracts
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
Have I mentioned how mad I am about the Friday night game?
If the Red Sox win the WC by 1 game, I just might kill a man.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 19, 2011 12:10 PM MDT up reply actions
What happens if BOS/TB are tied to end the year?
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Sep 19, 2011 12:12 PM MDT up reply actions
He kills a small boy?
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
A lot is two words. Allot can be one word but it has another meaning.
The only time you really want to use "myself" is when you are the recipient of your own action. Usually you're better off using "me."
Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
It's anyway, not anyways.
But if you only remember one thing...
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
hahahahaha.
Do we go to tiebreaker?
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Sep 19, 2011 12:13 PM MDT up reply actions
I'll be ok.
Because the Rays will beat them in the play-in game.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 19, 2011 12:13 PM MDT up reply actions
One game playoff (In Tampa because the Rays won the season series)
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 19, 2011 12:16 PM MDT up reply actions
Do we get to pick who you might kill?
"I think I speak for everyone in here when I say: It''s playoffs or bust"- Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger
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Nominations are now open!
"Surgeons have determined that doing the wave will, yes, will cause tears to the suprapinatus muscle and the infraspinatus muscle from the throwing of an individual's arms rapidly into the air. In addition, any children doing the wave will be sold to the circus. Do NOT do the wave in the ballpark. Doing the wave is safe at pro football games and Miley Cyrus concerts.
-scoreboard announcement at Ranger Ballpark in Arlington via Baseball Nation.
I was thinking Hunter Wendelstedt,
but I guess I’ll take other options.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 19, 2011 12:18 PM MDT up reply actions
"Now then, does anyone here remember how to kill a man?"
-Dabney Coleman in “The Man with One Red Shoe.”
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
A lot is two words. Allot can be one word but it has another meaning.
The only time you really want to use "myself" is when you are the recipient of your own action. Usually you're better off using "me."
Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
It's anyway, not anyways.
But if you only remember one thing...
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
Joe West
gets my vote. I hate that guy….
Time for some of this Rockies: "One of the beautiful things about baseball is that every once in a while you come into a situation where you want to, and where you have to, reach down and prove something." Nolan Ryan
Boston in a box
They don’t want to use their pen in Game 1; they’ll need it in Game 2.
But if they let the O’s beat ’em 20 – 1 or something in Game 1, their panic meter goes off the chart.
2011 Rockies -- what the hell?
Frankie Mo time!
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
A lot is two words. Allot can be one word but it has another meaning.
The only time you really want to use "myself" is when you are the recipient of your own action. Usually you're better off using "me."
Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
It's anyway, not anyways.
But if you only remember one thing...
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
And they have Bedard sheduled to start tomorrow who is on a pitch count so they will be using more bullpen there
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 19, 2011 12:32 PM MDT up reply actions
The good news for them though is that both the O's starters in the next two games look awful
They may be able to win those with their bats even with all the awful pitching and then they have Beckett going in the game after that so there is a pretty reasonable scenario where they take 3 of 4 here despite all of their problems.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 19, 2011 12:35 PM MDT up reply actions
On paper, they should have clinched a few weeks ago.
SO, there’s that.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 19, 2011 12:37 PM MDT up reply actions
HAHA
touche
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 19, 2011 12:39 PM MDT up reply actions
Well the Rays really need to take care of business against the Yankees
That also keeps the Yankees vs Sox series relevant, which could be a great finish to the season
by Britbronco22 on Sep 19, 2011 12:56 PM MDT up reply actions
If I'm the Yankees I do everything I can to keep Boston out
The Red Sox are designed to beat New York and the Yankees would do themselves a favor if they helped Tampa out with their demise.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 19, 2011 1:01 PM MDT up reply actions
They'll definitely be playing Scranton in that last series.
They might put up a little fight during the series this week.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 19, 2011 1:08 PM MDT up reply actions
Damn the Sox got lucky the ball hopped the fence for the GRD in the last inning
I think the lead runner would have scored.
by Britbronco22 on Sep 19, 2011 1:32 PM MDT up reply actions
Bleh.
Had a good time at the game Saturday Night. Glad my kids lasted until the end of the 6th and I missed the Huston Street debacle.
Hopefully the Rockies fire Tracy and give Sandburg a shot.
Get well soon Juan.
Carl?
That would be poetic but I fear he’s dead.
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
A lot is two words. Allot can be one word but it has another meaning.
The only time you really want to use "myself" is when you are the recipient of your own action. Usually you're better off using "me."
Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
It's anyway, not anyways.
But if you only remember one thing...
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
Ryan Sandberg
Oh hell.
Travel from Denver to Iowa was hell last night. I was stuck in long term parking in the rain trying to find someone to give me a jump because one of my kids left a dome light on before we left on Friday.
Get well soon Juan.
I wandered around during the delay,
wondering if I would bump into you. No such luck.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 19, 2011 12:39 PM MDT up reply actions
Hate to do this to ya but it's Ryne...
just kidding! I’ve done the Iowa there and back thing (In a van – with only AM radio for company) and that will erase anyone’s mind.
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
A lot is two words. Allot can be one word but it has another meaning.
The only time you really want to use "myself" is when you are the recipient of your own action. Usually you're better off using "me."
Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
It's anyway, not anyways.
But if you only remember one thing...
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
There's no FM radio in Iowa?
Crazy. But not unsurprising.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 19, 2011 12:43 PM MDT up reply actions
There was, I'm sure but it was an old, raggedy-ass van without such luxuries.
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
A lot is two words. Allot can be one word but it has another meaning.
The only time you really want to use "myself" is when you are the recipient of your own action. Usually you're better off using "me."
Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
It's anyway, not anyways.
But if you only remember one thing...
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
.. ..-. / .- - ..- / .. - ..- .-.. .. / .. . .- .. / - - .-. … . / .. - .. . -..— / .- - ..- / .— - ..- .-.. .. / .. . -.. . .. … – .- . -.. / …. -- .— / .—. . - .—. .-.. . / .. - - - ..- . .. -.. .- – . / .. . / .. -- .— .-
FFFFFFFFFFF.
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Sep 19, 2011 2:12 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Really, folks.
No to Sandberg. There are better options out there. At least three or four.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 19, 2011 12:38 PM MDT up reply actions
Like Jason Giambi
Jason Giambi for player-manager in 2012!
How the world will end in 2012: George of the Roses builds a Machine that Pommels everyone with La Violencia during Whiteouts.
verlander earns his 24th win last night
against moscoso’s 5-inning perfect game.
inching closer to that MVP award…
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
silly dont you know that pitcher wins
Dont mean squat to a team??!?
pffffft. next your going to want to give credit to some bozo who Bats In a lot of Runners. Like that’s hard to do. Just crazy talk. Gimme 20
The Big Purple Machine will make a believer outta you!
by El Paso Jeff on Sep 19, 2011 12:43 PM MDT up reply actions
haha
i want to write some witty response, but i can’t think of anything, so you get this instead.
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
Wow, Red Sox are really getting owned by the umpires here.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Sep 19, 2011 12:40 PM MDT reply actions
Is this a bad thing? You know if the outcome is the Red Sox lose?
Fairness/schmairness, I want the Red Sox out
"I think I speak for everyone in here when I say: It''s playoffs or bust"- Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger
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by SDcat09 on Sep 19, 2011 12:46 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
i agree 100 million %
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
my god i hate those advertisements that take total control of gameday
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
mike Newman wrote about Matzek for Scouting the Sally
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/2011-proves-rocky-for-rockies-tyler-matzek/
He’s not optimistic, despite proclaiming “he’s back” at one point.
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 19, 2011 12:46 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
Yeah, I read that.
A really confusing article.
Some days, I feel like I’ve accidentally entered the Church of Tulowitzki on Baseball Easter.
SB Nation Denver | On Twitter | Random Music Writings
Not sure what I'm confused most about
That an milb.com article stating he hit 97mph was readily available and not cited.
That the second paragraph pulls a rather large conclusion based on Matzek wearing sunglasses.
That Marshall isn’t mentioned at all.
What he actually thinks of the future.
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 19, 2011 1:24 PM MDT up reply actions
Who does he think he's writing about...Ian Stewart?
Some days, I feel like I’ve accidentally entered the Church of Tulowitzki on Baseball Easter.
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meh
don’t know that i want to pay a lot attention to matzek detractors at this point
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
So the 97mph report is bogus?
Because if he’s still throwing in the upper-80’s, that’s worrisome.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Sep 19, 2011 12:53 PM MDT up reply actions
Rockies scouts (and others) have reported him touching 96-97mph.
Some days, I feel like I’ve accidentally entered the Church of Tulowitzki on Baseball Easter.
SB Nation Denver | On Twitter | Random Music Writings
As long as he's maintaining 90+ in his starts.
And not just throwing 97mph in the first inning.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Sep 19, 2011 12:58 PM MDT up reply actions
Newman doesn't believe it
But I don’t think it is bogus. Newman wasn’t at one of Matzek’s better games
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 19, 2011 12:56 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
What strikes me as odd is not that he didn't see 97
It how far away from 97 he believes Matzek was that night. A small difference is one thing but Newt is almost describing a totally different pitcher here. Very strange.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 19, 2011 12:59 PM MDT up reply actions
He saw a start in mid August
only a couple weeks after Matzek returned to the mound and was still struggling with consistency. I don’t find it that odd, and I bet we would have received a different scouting report if he had seen a game in September.
Some days, I feel like I’ve accidentally entered the Church of Tulowitzki on Baseball Easter.
SB Nation Denver | On Twitter | Random Music Writings
or the 13K game
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
Ah
So his velocity got stronger as he made more starts? That would be quite encouraging.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 19, 2011 1:04 PM MDT up reply actions
Seemed that article was as positive as it was negative when Newton talked about matzek using his changeup and curveball.
There’s always bound to be a little fall off for prospects when the rubber meets the road, anyway. Hopefully, Matzek’s in the “but I get up again” phase of the classic Chumbawamba paradigm.
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
A lot is two words. Allot can be one word but it has another meaning.
The only time you really want to use "myself" is when you are the recipient of your own action. Usually you're better off using "me."
Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
It's anyway, not anyways.
But if you only remember one thing...
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
What is the timing of possible options for Stewart?
As I understand if we offer arbitration and resign him he will get a 20% pay cut. I assume we would just offer him the 20% pay cut and he would take it without arbitration, and that it isn’t possible to offer less?
At what point does this salary become guaranteed?
Or we can non-tender him, which means he becomes a free agent and we could try to resign him at less than 80% of his 2011 salary. Is there any exclusive rights negotiating period before he can negotiate with other teams?
At what points can we trade him? Is this possible before committing to us salary?
Lots of questions:
The Rockies can trade Stewart whenever, he’s still under team control. The lowest Colorado could offer is a 20% pay cut, but there’s no guarantee that Stewart would take it — arbitration is for when the two sides don’t see eye to eye on what the salary should be. The salary becomes guaranteed when the player signs the contract tender.
Exclusive negotiating period…not positive about a non-tendered player, but I doubt it.
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If Stewart's performance this season doesn't warrant a 20% salary drop
I don’t know what does.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 19, 2011 9:21 PM MDT up reply actions
What the Baseball Prospectus bunch thought about the Rockies before the 1996 season. This is kinda awesome.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
excellent find
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
is there a more stinging jab
than “good friends with Jose Canseco” followed by anything about “working hard to improve offense?” Funny.
Let’s play Guess the Player:
If I had to pick a 30-year old reliever who could break out and make a late-career Hall of Fame case, a la Dennis Eckersley, this would be the guy. He and Troy Percival are the best relievers in baseball right now.
The Rockies seem to actually have themselves a bona fide prospect! He needs to learn not to swing at anything within a three-county area, but it looks very promising for ______…
This is what happens when you add Jose Valentin to Coors Field, shake vigorously, and stand back.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
I will add one more...
A common problem: a bat that’s good enough if he can play the more demanding defensive position well, but not enough to play the easier defensive position.
No fair using the current roster to find the person with the same name who also fits this description…
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
In line for seats at the Grand Junction Rockies 2012 home opener
by Junction Rox on Sep 19, 2011 1:18 PM MDT up reply actions
Van Der Wal
FFFFFFFFFFF.
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Sep 19, 2011 1:26 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Or orginal EY
Gotta be one of those two
FFFFFFFFFFF.
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Sep 19, 2011 1:29 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Haha
Just an average guy with exceptional hair. Nothing more, nothing less.
Bear Naked - My thoughts on sports, music, and life.
by Bryan Kilpatrick on Sep 19, 2011 1:29 PM MDT up reply actions
I have not read that article yet....
Let’s see…..1996
Those players would have been:
Steve Reed, Neifi Perez, and Castilla
FFFFFFFFFFF.
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Sep 19, 2011 1:25 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Not lying about the bullpen
Rockies pen ranked first in MLB that year with 8.7 fWAR, 2.0 WAR more than any other team.
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 19, 2011 1:25 PM MDT up reply actions
:stare:
FFFFFFFFFFF.
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Sep 19, 2011 1:27 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, they were absolutely terrific.
Just an average guy with exceptional hair. Nothing more, nothing less.
Bear Naked - My thoughts on sports, music, and life.
by Bryan Kilpatrick on Sep 19, 2011 1:29 PM MDT up reply actions
That guy was so bummed out on the Rockies
He ended up being extremely correct about a lot of those players, though.
Just an average guy with exceptional hair. Nothing more, nothing less.
Bear Naked - My thoughts on sports, music, and life.
by Bryan Kilpatrick on Sep 19, 2011 1:32 PM MDT up reply actions
Sadly those teams were just competitive enough for us to keep forfeiting 1st and 2nd round picks
always believing we were 1-2 players away
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
Oh god, I just heard a coworker utter the stupidest phrase:
“Let’s not use a humidor. Why can’t we have the home field advantage like we used to”
I wanted to stab him the eye with a ball point pen.
FFFFFFFFFFF.
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Sep 19, 2011 1:39 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
If we could sign 5 2008 Aaron Cooks I would agree
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
Amazing stuff here
They were 9 back just 16 days ago.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 19, 2011 1:58 PM MDT up reply actions
The sound of those footsteps HAS to be deafening!
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
A lot is two words. Allot can be one word but it has another meaning.
The only time you really want to use "myself" is when you are the recipient of your own action. Usually you're better off using "me."
Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
It's anyway, not anyways.
But if you only remember one thing...
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
Dear Boston:
Lick it.
FFFFFFFFFFF.
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Sep 19, 2011 2:07 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
O's jump on top 2-0 in the nightcap
Still in the 1st so there’s a long way to go, but the Sawxxx fans must be in full meltdown mode.
by Northsider1964 on Sep 19, 2011 5:24 PM MDT up reply actions
heh, 3-0 now
And it’s even sweeter because Lackey the Overpaid Jackass is on the hill.
by Northsider1964 on Sep 19, 2011 5:27 PM MDT up reply actions
john lackey may turn out the worst season ever by a boston starter
so happy
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
and, there it is!
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
game thread??
FFFFFFFFFFF.
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Sep 19, 2011 6:35 PM MDT reply actions
Nevermind
New gamethread up now
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 19, 2011 6:47 PM MDT up reply actions
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