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Tuesday Rockpile: Todd and Tulo May Return Tonight

For the second consecutive season, the Rockies are mailing it in over the past couple weeks of the season.  For the first time since Clint Hurdle's last five home games as Rockies manager, Colorado has lost five consecutive home games.  It hasn't been particularly close.

Against the 2nd and 3rd lowest scoring offenses in MLB, Colorado has been outscored 43-18 in five straight losses.  Embarrassing.  Sure, the Rockies have reasons to finish well, but they aren't much playing like it.  And it has Jim Tracy all pissed off and motivated:

"We'd like to gain a little steam and win some of these final 10 games. Mentally it makes you feel better."

In an attempt to win some of the final ten games, Tracy is going to field a line-up with major leaguers again.

Troy Tulowitzki, Todd Helton won't be shut down for the season | ColoradoRockies.com: News  Tulowitzki and Helton might return as soon as tonight.  That could make tonight's game more enjoyable for those who will attend.  For what it's worth, there are 1st level tickets above the scoreboard for $2ea, and midfield 1st level tickets for $5/ea.

A large part of the Rockies' struggles of late have been a result of injuries pushing young rookies into the lineup.  Jordan Pacheco, Wilin Rosario, Thomas Field, Hector Gomez and Eric Young Jr. have all seen significant playing time in the last two weeks.  Not all of them have performed poorly:

G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K SB CS AVG OBP SLG
2011 - Jordan Pacheco 12 45 2 13 0 0 2 8 2 4 0 0 .289 .333 .422

Pacheco's play has gotten him essentially back to where he was in spring training:

Triple-A catcher Jordan Pacheco could have utility role with Colorado Rockies next year at first, third - The Denver Post

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Baseball Prospectus | Divide and Conquer, NL West: Thirty-Two Short Films About Aaron Cook  Geoff Young (Ducksnorts) devoted an entire article to obscure facts about Aaron Cook, who will undoubtedly make his final start in a Rockies' uniform tomorrow.  Most of the facts are pertaining to Cook's longevity and inability to strike guys out, like the man he has struck out 3rd most in his career is Brandon Webb.

  • Cook has pitched 1,307 1/3 innings in his career (and a K/9 under 4.0). The next-highest innings total by an active pitcher with a K/9 below 4 is 104, by Detroit Tigers southpaw Brad Thomas (3.9 K/9).
  • The highest innings total among all active pitchers with a K/9 lower than Cook's is 89 2/3, by his teammate, Greg Reynolds (3.6 K/9).
  • Astros Revealing 50th Anniversary Logo Thursday:  The Diamondbacks will have their 5th division title in 14 years of existence, led by their 4th 20-game winner, Ian Kennedy.  The Rockies have accomplished neither, but it may be therapeutic to be in Houston Thursday.  The franchise will be revealing their 50th anniversary logo while never having won a World Series...and while sitting on over 100 losses.  Maybe the Rockies aren't so bad?

    2011 Proves Rocky for Rockies Tyler Matzek | FanGraphs Baseball  Scouting the Sally's Mike Newman has joined Fangraphs, and he made one of his first articles there on the Rockies' enigmatic prospect.  

    Rockies’ Trevor Story writes first chapter in Casper | On the Rox — Colorado Rockies news — Denver Post  Troy Renck talked with Story about his first pro year.

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    The JT quote captures so much about what makes me crazy...

    The fact that we can (legitimately) read that quote as someone who is mad boggles my mind. I think that’s why so many of us were surprised when he came out an aggressively argued the CarGo ejection a few weeks ago…he’s so milquetoast-y.

    "Surgeons have determined that doing the wave will, yes, will cause tears to the suprapinatus muscle and the infraspinatus muscle from the throwing of an individual's arms rapidly into the air. In addition, any children doing the wave will be sold to the circus. Do NOT do the wave in the ballpark. Doing the wave is safe at pro football games and Miley Cyrus concerts.
    -scoreboard announcement at Ranger Ballpark in Arlington via Baseball Nation.

    by RdRnnr on Sep 20, 2011 8:01 AM MDT reply actions  

    I just hope he doesn't risk further injury to the three guys who are the backbone of the offense

    just to cover his own butt. He doesn’t like the taste of losing because at some point it reflects badly on him. Otherwise he has shown no passion or desire to change things. Clearly, putting Wiggington in right is not giving the team the best opportunity to win. I think even Jim could recognize that.

    by RoxnSox09 on Sep 20, 2011 9:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

    Does the fact that his contract ends in 2012,

    make it more likely that we will fire Jim Tracy?

    "Surgeons have determined that doing the wave will, yes, will cause tears to the suprapinatus muscle and the infraspinatus muscle from the throwing of an individual's arms rapidly into the air. In addition, any children doing the wave will be sold to the circus. Do NOT do the wave in the ballpark. Doing the wave is safe at pro football games and Miley Cyrus concerts.
    -scoreboard announcement at Ranger Ballpark in Arlington via Baseball Nation.

    by RdRnnr on Sep 20, 2011 8:17 AM MDT up reply actions  

    It makes it more likely that we will keep him.

    We will owe him that money if I’m not mistaken. But the Rockies could probably spare the money if it really came down to it.

    by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 20, 2011 8:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

    That's one way at looking at it.

    The other is that the Rockies have historically avoided having lame-duck managers, either firing or extending contracts. I’m hoping that no one in the organization is thing about giving JT an extension!

    "Surgeons have determined that doing the wave will, yes, will cause tears to the suprapinatus muscle and the infraspinatus muscle from the throwing of an individual's arms rapidly into the air. In addition, any children doing the wave will be sold to the circus. Do NOT do the wave in the ballpark. Doing the wave is safe at pro football games and Miley Cyrus concerts.
    -scoreboard announcement at Ranger Ballpark in Arlington via Baseball Nation.

    by RdRnnr on Sep 20, 2011 8:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

    Either way, I don't think the contract might be a reason to keep him.

    It isn’t a very good one. I’m wondering if anyone has any good reasons. I can’t think of any.

    by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 20, 2011 8:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

    I'd be interested to read a defense of Tracy, as well.

    Something beyond, “He wasn’t given the tools to be successful.” I’m wondering if anyone sees him as the right man for the difficult job ahead.

    "Surgeons have determined that doing the wave will, yes, will cause tears to the suprapinatus muscle and the infraspinatus muscle from the throwing of an individual's arms rapidly into the air. In addition, any children doing the wave will be sold to the circus. Do NOT do the wave in the ballpark. Doing the wave is safe at pro football games and Miley Cyrus concerts.
    -scoreboard announcement at Ranger Ballpark in Arlington via Baseball Nation.

    by RdRnnr on Sep 20, 2011 8:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

    unfortunately

    the only people that see him as the right man for the job are also the ones that make the decisions.

    by ween1980 on Sep 20, 2011 8:43 AM MDT up reply actions  

    I've heard:

    “It’s not the manager’s fault.”

    I agree with this somewhat, but I don’t think his presence is helpful for the team anymore. A new presence would be at least as good, and most likely better. In any case, this isn’t a defense of Tracy. it’s just a reason not to worry about the manager.

    “Who else is better?”

    I can think of at least four or five guys who would do a better job.

    “Firing the manager doesn’t fix anything.”

    Slightly different from it not being the manager’s fault. I would say that 2009 seems to be proof that it can have some effect. Even casting that aside, this isn’t a defense of Tracy, but just a reason not to worry about the manager.

    I’d be interested to hear if anyone has some good reasons. I might disagree, but it might back me off the ledge.

    by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 20, 2011 8:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

    "He knows how to handle a bullpen"

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    by Muzia on Sep 20, 2011 8:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

    I was going to suggest you write the defense.

    Not that you are a Tracy fan, but have a talent for contrarianism.

    "Surgeons have determined that doing the wave will, yes, will cause tears to the suprapinatus muscle and the infraspinatus muscle from the throwing of an individual's arms rapidly into the air. In addition, any children doing the wave will be sold to the circus. Do NOT do the wave in the ballpark. Doing the wave is safe at pro football games and Miley Cyrus concerts.
    -scoreboard announcement at Ranger Ballpark in Arlington via Baseball Nation.

    by RdRnnr on Sep 20, 2011 8:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

    You're confusing me with Greg Stanwood.

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    by Muzia on Sep 20, 2011 8:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

    Good point.

    This is possible.

    "Surgeons have determined that doing the wave will, yes, will cause tears to the suprapinatus muscle and the infraspinatus muscle from the throwing of an individual's arms rapidly into the air. In addition, any children doing the wave will be sold to the circus. Do NOT do the wave in the ballpark. Doing the wave is safe at pro football games and Miley Cyrus concerts.
    -scoreboard announcement at Ranger Ballpark in Arlington via Baseball Nation.

    by RdRnnr on Sep 20, 2011 8:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

    Jim Tracy is a good manager because no one else thinks he is.

    There. :D

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    by Greg Stanwood on Sep 20, 2011 11:12 AM MDT up reply actions  

    And misinformation.

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    by Greg Stanwood on Sep 20, 2011 11:18 AM MDT up reply actions  

    lol

    the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox

    be happy, because 2012 is coming.

    by papality on Sep 20, 2011 11:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

    Another one would be that "The players seem to like him."

    I just don’t see this is defensible, though it may be true. No one seems to be saying negative things about him. But there’s really no way of knowing this, and I’m inclined to think that some of them may be tired of him, and everyone, because of the losing.

    by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 20, 2011 8:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

    At this point, I think it would be like arguing theology

    It’s an evidence vs faith scenario, and very few of the arguments for retaining his services are concretely defensible.

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    by Muzia on Sep 20, 2011 9:00 AM MDT up reply actions  

    he has the only winning record as a rockies manager

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    by TomCat009 on Sep 20, 2011 11:13 AM MDT up reply actions  

    He's working really hard at losing that rather dubious distinction, too.

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    by Yokel on Sep 20, 2011 11:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

    Easy to forget that this team had never been

    20 games over .500 before he took over

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    by TomCat009 on Sep 20, 2011 11:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

    Did we finish the season there?

    That’s probably why it’s easy to forget.

    by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 20, 2011 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

    I think 17 over in 07 had been the record

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    by TomCat009 on Sep 20, 2011 11:25 AM MDT up reply actions  

    92-70 to end the 2009 season

    I don’t want Tracy back next year in any way, shape or form. But I will defend him to this degree: Everyone in the front office watched a near-triple crown winner, an MVP candidate and a near-Cy Young winner drag the rest of the 2010 roster to 83. So they replaced Mora, Olivo and Beimel with Jose Lopez, Jose Morales and Matt Lindstrom, and declared it a team ready to win the NL West. Don’t think any jockey was going to ride this horse to a division title, though it also shouldn’t be struggling just to stay out of last place.

    by Northsider1964 on Sep 20, 2011 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

    I hear this

    Tracy doesn’t deserve any legitimate defense, but the FO did him no favors in the offseason. Nor did many of his players. A collective failure. But some heads have to roll.

    by Teekalong on Sep 20, 2011 11:53 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

    Yeah if Tracy was fired

    I would see it partly as scapegoat move because of underperforming players and a front office that can’t get out ot its own way. But firing Tracy also seems absolutely necessary if this team is going to turn things around. Sometimes, even a scapegoat just has to go.

    by Northsider1964 on Sep 20, 2011 12:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

    I am with you on that

    This may not be more than a little bit Tracy’s fault, but their is nothing in his time here that tells me he is the guy to fix it either

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    by TomCat009 on Sep 20, 2011 12:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

    I'd be all for keeping Tracy

    If he actually put the best line-up out there every day provided with they guys the FO gave him.

    Get well soon Juan.

    by Thnikkaman on Sep 20, 2011 12:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

    It's a real shame I can only rec this once

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    by RoarFrom112 on Sep 20, 2011 10:17 AM MDT up reply actions  

    I thought Hurdle was well liked too

    until he wasn’t. I’m not sure likeability matters a whole lot now.

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    by SDcat09 on Sep 20, 2011 9:03 AM MDT up reply actions  

    they have already said they are going to extend him

    which means it’s time for someone above Tracy to be fired, O’Dowd or whoever else would even begin to think that would be the right thing to do.

    by ween1980 on Sep 20, 2011 9:10 AM MDT up reply actions  

    Maybe they just hate job interviews?

    I know I do…

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    by Muzia on Sep 20, 2011 9:11 AM MDT up reply actions  

    Renck reported that they MIGHT, because they don;t like lame ducks.

    I’ve never heard anyone say that they were definitely going to do so.

    by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 20, 2011 9:12 AM MDT up reply actions  

    ok fair enough

    but the fact that they said they are definitely bringing him back next year should be enough for heads to roll. It’s pretty much time to clean house, it’s clearly not working the way it’s set up now.

    by ween1980 on Sep 20, 2011 9:14 AM MDT up reply actions  

    I'm not too sure of that either.

    There’s a chance we’re going to end up with 90 losses. I think that might change some of the things that were said around midseason. Not that those things mean anything anyway. I don’t think anyone expected 90 losses to even be a possibility in July.

    by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 20, 2011 9:20 AM MDT up reply actions  

    I don't believe that they will extend him

    I agree with the thought here that there’s no real justification for keeping him. I do not think he’s at fault for many of this team’s problems, but he’s clearly not the solution either and being at the helm of this nightmare of a season has to have a price. Further, keeping him would require an extension and essentially be a DOD endorsement of him, and I doubt very much DOD wants to direct the heat for this season his own direction. He’ll dump Tracy. And add to the huge list of things he needs to get right this offseason.

    by Teekalong on Sep 20, 2011 9:38 AM MDT up reply actions  

    Even that's a horrible reason

    The Rockies owe Jim Tracy less than $1.5million in 2012. They ate about $2.4million releasing Jose Lopez alone

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    by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 20, 2011 12:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Oddly enough I could see Rosario having a similar line next year to the one Lopez

    has with the fish 247/.282/.515

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    by TomCat009 on Sep 20, 2011 12:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Whoa.

    Not sure about that high of slugging.

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    by CentralCaliRox on Sep 20, 2011 12:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

    It will be nice to see Tulo and Todd tonight "IF" they play.

    Prediction---->Well, Tulo got his 30 homers. Well, it looks like my prediction on Cargo took a bad turn. So much for 30 homers and 100 RBI's. DAMN YOU PABLO! Why did you have to hit that ball near the wall?
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    by Roxman4ever on Sep 20, 2011 8:50 AM MDT reply actions  

    Maybe Jim Tracy could think about his here.

    "There’s plenty of reasons to go out there and strap it on. The main reason is I don’t want to feel like I’ve quit at anything."—1B Todd Helton

    Prediction---->Well, Tulo got his 30 homers. Well, it looks like my prediction on Cargo took a bad turn. So much for 30 homers and 100 RBI's. DAMN YOU PABLO! Why did you have to hit that ball near the wall?
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    by Roxman4ever on Sep 20, 2011 9:00 AM MDT reply actions  

    MLB.com video fail

    It’s Goodman, Drew Goodman. Not Goodwin.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=19419513&partnerId=aw-6587955385668250392-996

    /smh

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    by SDcat09 on Sep 20, 2011 9:04 AM MDT reply actions  

    Yep.

    "Surgeons have determined that doing the wave will, yes, will cause tears to the suprapinatus muscle and the infraspinatus muscle from the throwing of an individual's arms rapidly into the air. In addition, any children doing the wave will be sold to the circus. Do NOT do the wave in the ballpark. Doing the wave is safe at pro football games and Miley Cyrus concerts.
    -scoreboard announcement at Ranger Ballpark in Arlington via Baseball Nation.

    by RdRnnr on Sep 20, 2011 9:25 AM MDT up reply actions  

    Agreed. Rec'd

    Prediction---->Well, Tulo got his 30 homers. Well, it looks like my prediction on Cargo took a bad turn. So much for 30 homers and 100 RBI's. DAMN YOU PABLO! Why did you have to hit that ball near the wall?
    Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.

    by Roxman4ever on Sep 20, 2011 9:27 AM MDT up reply actions  

    You know what I'll miss

    in two weeks? Rockies baseball, be it bad or good.

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    by SDcat09 on Sep 20, 2011 9:29 AM MDT up reply actions  

    You're assuming we have lives?

    Winter Meetings used to be the best time of the year ’round these parts.

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    by Muzia on Sep 20, 2011 9:43 AM MDT up reply actions  

    What power play?

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    by Muzia on Sep 20, 2011 9:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

    I am yelling at people over at Mile High Hockey for praising our recent top draft pick as “not a star player but high on intangibles.”

    I think I may shoot myself.

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    by Muzia on Sep 20, 2011 9:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

    it’s hockey for “Greg Reynolds”

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    by Muzia on Sep 20, 2011 10:06 AM MDT up reply actions  

    Nah, but I think they drafted a player with limited upside instead of going for a homerun.

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    by Muzia on Sep 20, 2011 10:08 AM MDT up reply actions  

    We're Wallowing for Washington....

    yay trading away future #1 draft picks….

    We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!

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    by Junction Rox on Sep 20, 2011 11:11 AM MDT up reply actions  

    I have a life now... : (

    I wait, I don’t! : D

    This year sucks.

    by prettyinpurple on Sep 20, 2011 10:10 AM MDT up reply actions  

    I don't watch baseball unless

    I’m at the stadium. I listen on an old fashioned radio to all of the games.

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    by hotdoglady on Sep 20, 2011 9:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

    I tend to listen more than watch as well.

    But that’s because I’m typically juggling two kids and a GT while the game is on.

    by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 20, 2011 9:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

    I'm working juggling 3 balls at the same time.

    But I bet kids are tough because they are wiggly and stuff…

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    by hotdoglady on Sep 20, 2011 9:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

    I have it on on the tv

    but I listen to it more than watch it

    Is it 2012 yet?

    by DAWNMARIE01 on Sep 20, 2011 10:16 AM MDT up reply actions  

    I would have had a lot easier time getting the joke

    If I hadn’t restored one of these a few years back

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    by TomCat009 on Sep 20, 2011 11:24 AM MDT up reply actions  

    That's beautiful

    Nice job!

    "Surgeons have determined that doing the wave will, yes, will cause tears to the suprapinatus muscle and the infraspinatus muscle from the throwing of an individual's arms rapidly into the air. In addition, any children doing the wave will be sold to the circus. Do NOT do the wave in the ballpark. Doing the wave is safe at pro football games and Miley Cyrus concerts.
    -scoreboard announcement at Ranger Ballpark in Arlington via Baseball Nation.

    by RdRnnr on Sep 20, 2011 11:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

    When I was driving a cab a few years back

    I picked up a guy who owned about 5 acres right outside of DC. He told me about how that hurricane that went through a couple years ago had taken down several 100+ year old Maples, Walnuts and Oaks on his property. He then proudly told me how he had chainsawed it up into a firewood pile that will last for years, I told him that any cabinet maker he tald about that would open their wrists. That tight grain old growth Maple and Walnut has a much better use on things like this radio, than for heating a house

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    by TomCat009 on Sep 20, 2011 11:32 AM MDT up reply actions  

    This has been a dumpster fire of a season

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    by TomCat009 on Sep 20, 2011 12:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

    I just glanced at Alex White's statline for us this year and the season

    In 8 starts, he has given up 14 homeruns. 5 of those starts are with us, and he has given up 11 homeruns.
    I sure hope he can trim that number down next year. By, like A LOT.

    by TehChamp on Sep 20, 2011 9:32 AM MDT reply actions  

    I bet

    there’s a good drinking game here somewhere.

    by Teekalong on Sep 20, 2011 9:39 AM MDT up reply actions  

    Would've been epic for the Reds game

    Giving up 5 homeruns.
    Take a shot every dinger he gives up or K he gets, you’d be so hammered you’d think the 2011 Rockies were a good team.

    by TehChamp on Sep 20, 2011 9:45 AM MDT up reply actions  

    White not a Rockie yet

    I am not sure White is happy about being with this team. I don’t say is throwing games or anything, but I don’t think his heart is in it. Looking at the scoreboard recently one can empathize.

    by Real Perspective on Sep 20, 2011 11:43 AM MDT up reply actions  

    No basis for me to agree or disagree with that

    but I do worry that his role in denting cars over the LF wall will hurt his psyche as to pitching at Coors. We often forget that pitchers still really hate this place.

    by Teekalong on Sep 20, 2011 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

    I see two distinct possibilities regarding White:

    1.) he’s still struggling with location following the finger injury
    2.) he peaked in college and just isn’t very good

    I’m hoping, obviously, it’s the former. But neither has anything to do with his attitude. Between the ears he seems just fine – refreshingly so, in fact.

    by Northsider1964 on Sep 20, 2011 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

    his AA performance says both are unlikely

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    by TomCat009 on Sep 20, 2011 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

    I'd lean towards the former

    Major leaguers can punish mistakes the way AA hitters cannot

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    by Muzia on Sep 20, 2011 11:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

    That doesn't have to be injury related

    I remember Chacin looking unbelieving after Huff put a really well located change into the of seats

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    by TomCat009 on Sep 20, 2011 11:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

    Exactly

    Just because he had some nice rehab starts, it doesn’t mean his command was all the way back. It showed he was healthy enough to get back on an MLB mound and give it a shot, but coming 100 percent of the way back may take longer.

    by Northsider1964 on Sep 20, 2011 12:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Its clear to me that command is going to be crucial for him

    His stuff is very nice but not truly elite, nor unique at this level. But if located properly, he can eat guys up. But can’t miss too often, or god forbid spin that slider. But hardly any of this is novel, not many guys can survive at this level without control.

    by Teekalong on Sep 20, 2011 12:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Even Roy Halladay walked 4.8 and 5.6 per nine early in his career

    Randy Johnson was walking 8+ per nine in AA at White’s age, even Maddux didn’t get his K/BB over 2 untill his 4th full season. On a side note the Braves drafted Randy Johnson out of high school, can you imagine that mid 90’s rotation?

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    by TomCat009 on Sep 20, 2011 12:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

    True

    But I’m not as purely concerned about just walks as I am with location of all pitches. Walking a guy is preferable to letting him put an in-zone mistake 15 rows back. White seems to have both problems right now. But I’m far from worried about him long-term (certianly worried about 2012).

    by Teekalong on Sep 20, 2011 12:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

    right but Halladay's ERA for those first two seasons

    were 3.92 and 10.47 walks lead to runs

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    by TomCat009 on Sep 20, 2011 12:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Of course they do

    not excusing walks, any Rox fan knows how deadly they are at Coors. Just noting that this guy will not be an “effectively wild” pitcher for very long. He needs to hit his spots consistently to be the guy we hope he can be.

    by Teekalong on Sep 20, 2011 12:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

    HAHA!

    you really had me curious.

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    by BittenAnkles on Sep 20, 2011 9:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

    BLAM

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    by SDcat09 on Sep 20, 2011 9:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

    haha

    UNDO UNDO UNDO

    FFFFFFFFFFF.

    /it is a new beginning, right?

    by The Lodo Magic Man on Sep 20, 2011 10:15 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

    Wasn't a problem with your link...

    I followed it earlier.

    "Surgeons have determined that doing the wave will, yes, will cause tears to the suprapinatus muscle and the infraspinatus muscle from the throwing of an individual's arms rapidly into the air. In addition, any children doing the wave will be sold to the circus. Do NOT do the wave in the ballpark. Doing the wave is safe at pro football games and Miley Cyrus concerts.
    -scoreboard announcement at Ranger Ballpark in Arlington via Baseball Nation.

    by RdRnnr on Sep 20, 2011 10:23 AM MDT up reply actions  

    The commenters made that pretty clear.

    "Surgeons have determined that doing the wave will, yes, will cause tears to the suprapinatus muscle and the infraspinatus muscle from the throwing of an individual's arms rapidly into the air. In addition, any children doing the wave will be sold to the circus. Do NOT do the wave in the ballpark. Doing the wave is safe at pro football games and Miley Cyrus concerts.
    -scoreboard announcement at Ranger Ballpark in Arlington via Baseball Nation.

    by RdRnnr on Sep 20, 2011 10:43 AM MDT up reply actions  

    Did it make it into the Wayback Machine

    Or fall down the Memory Hole?

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    by Yokel on Sep 20, 2011 10:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

    I read that earlier and I thought it was a little contradictory to what I had heard

    But at the same time I couldn’t quite pinpoint how it was wrong… could anyone enlighten me?

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    by SurfaceThought on Sep 20, 2011 11:00 AM MDT up reply actions  

    Got my own question answered
    He absolutely did make a significant mistake, as was pointed out in comments. People generally weren’t taking issue with the "single season UZR is enough" point, but they were pointing out that Bradley’s comparison between UZR and BABIP misses the point that UZR has significant measurement error and BABIP has virtually none.

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    by SurfaceThought on Sep 20, 2011 11:05 AM MDT up reply actions  

    Wow, however wrote the article has to feel like a moron

    Look at the article that was posted as a result of it

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    by SurfaceThought on Sep 20, 2011 11:03 AM MDT up reply actions  

    This is probably blasphemous.

    I’m not really a fan of Fangraphs. The articles and comments get a little too pedantic. There are some good writers on there, but too much of it seems to be people staking claims to things.

    /stakes his claim

    by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 20, 2011 11:17 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

    ooooh interesting here is their explanation

    of why player who play at altitude, suddenly can’t hit on the road, and why they don’t need to include that in their wRC+ equation.

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    by TomCat009 on Sep 20, 2011 11:17 AM MDT up reply actions  

    ISWYDT

    And can sense a meme being created.

    Get well soon Juan.

    by Thnikkaman on Sep 20, 2011 11:25 AM MDT up reply actions  

    as of now that article has been removed, and replaced by...

    this

    good job, dave. real good job.

    the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox

    be happy, because 2012 is coming.

    by papality on Sep 20, 2011 11:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

    Already noted.

    Good job, paplity. Real good job.

    by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 20, 2011 11:37 AM MDT up reply actions  

    z'd right past it

    the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox

    be happy, because 2012 is coming.

    by papality on Sep 20, 2011 11:37 AM MDT up reply actions  

    Get a slower computer.

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    by Muzia on Sep 20, 2011 11:38 AM MDT up reply actions  

    butbutbut

    the only computer in my mom’s basement already has a pentium 3… how could i get a slower computer?

    the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox

    be happy, because 2012 is coming.

    by papality on Sep 20, 2011 11:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

    I don't understand why people think this is bad.

    Rather than defend a bad idea, they realized their mistake and tried to correct it. I think a lot of the arguments people have is because they are unwilling or incapable of admitting that their idea might be flawed. If more people would be open to actually considering the possibility that they should change their mind, the world would have a lot less conflict.

    by RoxnSox09 on Sep 20, 2011 11:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

    it's actually a good thing

    dave cameron, who has my utmost sympathy in his battle with cancer, is a very pompous and arrogant writer who never admits his mistakes and often ridicules any critics. the fact that he admitted to having blown it big-time with the first two “fangraphs official position on…” articles is nothing less that shocking, and very refreshing.

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    be happy, because 2012 is coming.

    by papality on Sep 20, 2011 2:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Just to reiterate,

    despite his wonderful career as a player, Ryne Sandberg has never been a coach not manager at the major league level. He hasn’t been a bench coach, hitting coach, bat boy, nor anything else.

    In the absence of any other good candidates, he might be worth the risk. But, there are at least three or four choices who are better.

    by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 20, 2011 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

    This organization doesn’t take risks with personnel anyway, so you have nothing to worry about.

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    by Muzia on Sep 20, 2011 10:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

    Huh?

    You want this guy to replace Tracy?

    Perhaps you meant this guy.

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    by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 20, 2011 10:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

    No the first one.

    I’m just doing it to kill PetroCW

    Of course I want Ryne.

    Get well soon Juan.

    by Thnikkaman on Sep 20, 2011 10:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

    He reminds me of Taylor Buchholz

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    by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 20, 2011 10:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

    His eyes aren't lemur'y enough

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    by SDcat09 on Sep 20, 2011 10:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

    He'd be a figurehead

    Todd would be pulling the strings from deep within the shadows.

    Get well soon Juan.

    by Thnikkaman on Sep 20, 2011 11:07 AM MDT up reply actions  

    Todd would be pulling the strings from deep within the shadows of the nearest Cracker Barrel.

    Is it 2012 yet?

    by DAWNMARIE01 on Sep 20, 2011 11:10 AM MDT up reply actions  

    Anyone else figure Cookie will sign with the Pads or Dbacks next year

    and go 19-3? Because…

    /2011’d

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    by WalkInRight on Sep 20, 2011 11:32 AM MDT reply actions  

    aaron cook for 2012 AL MVP

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    by papality on Sep 20, 2011 11:36 AM MDT up reply actions  

    If he was smart he would sign with seattle

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    by TomCat009 on Sep 20, 2011 11:36 AM MDT up reply actions  

    Doesn't seattle have horrible defense?

    He should sign with the best fielding team possible, and for gods sake stop walking people

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    by SurfaceThought on Sep 20, 2011 11:38 AM MDT up reply actions  

    Brendan Ryan might be the only SS in MLB better than Tulo

    Smoak has an above average rep, Ackley I am not sure about, and whoever they run out at 3B, Ichiro and Franklin Guts are excellent in OF so cookie would proably be okay there

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    by TomCat009 on Sep 20, 2011 11:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

    sure

    but I figured the highest ‘add insult to injuryness’ness’ would be in the NL West…

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    by WalkInRight on Sep 20, 2011 11:39 AM MDT up reply actions  

    I conjure that the Indians will sign Cook, sign Kevin Millwood from under our nose, and claim Greg Reynolds off waivers.

    All three plus Jimenez will have amazing years as 4/5ths of the Cleveland rotation. Meanwhile, we sign Fausto Carmona after they turn down his option and he goes 0-15 with a 12.45 ERA.

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    by Greg Stanwood on Sep 20, 2011 11:39 AM MDT up reply actions  

    It came to me in a vision from my native American great grandfather Jessum Herring

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    by Greg Stanwood on Sep 20, 2011 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

    With your powers of assessment

    you would make a fine government agent…

    We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!

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    by Junction Rox on Sep 20, 2011 12:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Bwahahahaha!

    I’m sure the baggy red underwear helped also.

    by RoxnSox09 on Sep 20, 2011 2:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

    ewww

    if we sign Carmona we deserve it…

    /Twins fan who has happiily watched Carmona implode

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    by WalkInRight on Sep 20, 2011 11:43 AM MDT up reply actions  

    As long as the Indians eat a lot of cash

    Carmona has nasty nasty stuff. I’d like to have him here at Coors.

    @CentralCaliRox

    by CentralCaliRox on Sep 20, 2011 12:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

    To continue with my desire to fire Jim Tracy:

    I think we need a clean break really. It is often passed over that Jim Tracy was the Bench Coach for the 18-28 part of the 2009 season that cost Clint Hurdle his job. Rich Dauer was the Third Base Coach. Bob Apodaca was the pitching coach. Glenallen Hill was the first base coach. Jim Wright was in the bullpen. Hill and Apodaca were around for the 2008 debacle.

    There is a theory that looks at this and says, “These guys led us to two playoff births in three years.” But it’s now become two in five years, and probably six.

    If we’re going to get rid of Tracy for a change of atmosphere, then we probably have to get rid of all of the other stale pieces loafing around the clubhouse. This is, in essence, what the Diamondbacks did. While Kirk Gibson came up through the Arizona system, the only other remaining piece of the 2009 coaching staff is Glenn Sherlock, their bullpen coach.

    by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 20, 2011 12:31 PM MDT reply actions  

    I agree I love Apodaca

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    by TomCat009 on Sep 20, 2011 12:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

    the last two are three years are the first he had actual pitching talent to work with

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    by TomCat009 on Sep 20, 2011 12:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

    I don't know.

    And we might keep him. It’d really stink to have yet another hitting coach as well.

    The idea is that 2009 was not really a regime change. Perhaps we need a little regime change.

    by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 20, 2011 12:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

    I would say we need a baserunning coach more than any other position

    there are some wheels on this team that are completely wasted

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    by TomCat009 on Sep 20, 2011 12:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Totally agree


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    by butterfly on Sep 20, 2011 12:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Agree

    Carlos is the only fast guy on this team who really looks like he knows what he’s doing when he arrives at first base. The rest of them just seem to be terrified of getting picked off – and still manage to do so with disturbing regularity.

    by Northsider1964 on Sep 20, 2011 12:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

    He is also the only fast guy on the team who didn't come up in our system

    Although EY2 is so fast it doesn’t matter as much

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    by TomCat009 on Sep 20, 2011 1:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

    EY's almost unstoppable

    As long as the ball goes to home plate. But even he gets picked way too much.

    by Northsider1964 on Sep 20, 2011 1:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Rickeyfor1BCoach

    FFFFFFFFFFF.

    /it is a new beginning, right?

    by The Lodo Magic Man on Sep 20, 2011 1:13 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

    Dave Collins was good at that job

    Assuming I would arrested for kidnapping Davey Lopes and hauling him back to Denver hostage-style, Collins would be an okay fallback.

    by Northsider1964 on Sep 20, 2011 1:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

    I would like whoever SD has doing the job

    Venable’s 26/3 or Headley’s 13/2 speak volumes so does Orlando Hudsons 18/3

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    by TomCat009 on Sep 20, 2011 1:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Can't teach speed...

    /Throwing out the cliche

    "Surgeons have determined that doing the wave will, yes, will cause tears to the suprapinatus muscle and the infraspinatus muscle from the throwing of an individual's arms rapidly into the air. In addition, any children doing the wave will be sold to the circus. Do NOT do the wave in the ballpark. Doing the wave is safe at pro football games and Miley Cyrus concerts.
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    by RdRnnr on Sep 20, 2011 1:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

    I would start even higher than JT

    but otherwise I agree with you. I don’t really care about the Glenallen Hills of the world, but the real movers/shakers have not been doing their part lately. And while Apodaca is a sacred cow around here, he has to take some heat for the Ubaldo debacle (how did nobody realize he was hurt and/or what really caused it) as well as pretty material declines from Hammel, Cook, etc. I’m not out for his scalp but he needs to be scrutinized along with the rest.

    by Teekalong on Sep 20, 2011 12:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Hammel seems to have returned to form

    and the Ubaldo thing has to be on the training staff as much as anything. Dac deserves to stick around for what he did with Hammel and DLR

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    by TomCat009 on Sep 20, 2011 1:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

    I seem to remeber

    that Apodaca kept questioning Ubaldo about being hurt and he denied it . Who would replace him?


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    by butterfly on Sep 20, 2011 1:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

    I think Ubaldo

    FFFFFFFFFFF.

    /it is a new beginning, right?

    by The Lodo Magic Man on Sep 20, 2011 1:09 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

    After he had the cuticle injury the first time,

    I think Ubaldo was afraid of putting 100% on his pitches out of fear of it recurring

    FFFFFFFFFFF.

    /it is a new beginning, right?

    by The Lodo Magic Man on Sep 20, 2011 1:11 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

    I'm not really down enough on any of the coaches

    to want them canned in a “deck chairs” kind of move. But if there’s a new manager hired who wants his own guys, it won’t break my heart to see any of them go. Apodaca’s done some great things here. Lansford made progress with Fowler, Smith and Iannetta – which were 3 out of 4 (Stewart, ehh) of the players identified as most needing his help. But I don’t think anyone on this staff is so outstanding that a new manager shouldn’t be free to replace them.

    by Northsider1964 on Sep 20, 2011 1:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

    No OT today,

    but FI#2 wrote about college football’s greatest rivalry between Colorado State and Northern Colorado. No, that’s not right. He wrote about a civil war in his family over this game. Not quite there either. OK, he wrote a story about someone (not) getting beer at a game.

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    by Russ Oates on Sep 20, 2011 1:08 PM MDT reply actions  

    Oh. And you have to call it UNC here.

    I know. UNC means Chapel Hill anywhere else in the world, but not in Colorado. I’m still adjusting myself.

    Me: “Where did you go to school?”
    Them: “UNC.”
    Me: “Really? I love Chapel Hill. A few of my go…”
    Them: evil stare
    Me: quizzical look
    Them: “No. UNC in Greeley.”
    Me: “Ahh. Never been there. But I’m told that I can smell it if the wind blows just right.”

    by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 20, 2011 1:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Great closing.

    "Surgeons have determined that doing the wave will, yes, will cause tears to the suprapinatus muscle and the infraspinatus muscle from the throwing of an individual's arms rapidly into the air. In addition, any children doing the wave will be sold to the circus. Do NOT do the wave in the ballpark. Doing the wave is safe at pro football games and Miley Cyrus concerts.
    -scoreboard announcement at Ranger Ballpark in Arlington via Baseball Nation.

    by RdRnnr on Sep 20, 2011 1:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Backup punter

    stabbed starting punter.

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    by Russ Oates on Sep 20, 2011 2:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Yep

    Five years ago

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    by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 20, 2011 3:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

    He became forever known as

    The Tonya Harding of backup Division 1-AA punters.

    by Northsider1964 on Sep 20, 2011 3:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

    That was flippin' hilarious.

    Well done, FI#2.

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    by Yokel on Sep 20, 2011 4:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Anyone else going tonight?

    /final game of the year for me
    /f u 2011 season

    FFFFFFFFFFF.

    /it is a new beginning, right?

    by The Lodo Magic Man on Sep 20, 2011 1:09 PM MDT via mobile reply actions  

    If I was In Denver

    I’d be there.

    My wife who is not a baseball fan admitted to having a lot of fun at Saturday’s game.

    Get well soon Juan.

    by Thnikkaman on Sep 20, 2011 1:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

    No. And I wasn't actively trying to having family in tow.

    I am hoping I can get a solo trip to Denver in the next year since I have many friends in Denver I would love to visit since this trip was mainly to catch up with family that probably wouldn’t care if they ever saw me again accept for my Grandmother.

    My family is full of bums not that I’m fretting over it.

    Get well soon Juan.

    by Thnikkaman on Sep 20, 2011 1:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

    I think I remember that your Grandmother has a special name , and you love her a lot

    so the rest of them aren’t important ..


    In all things, it is better to hope than despair.

    by butterfly on Sep 20, 2011 2:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

    On a bittersweet note

    It did make me smile ear to ear when my son said:

    The Rockies won’t win because Tulo and Cargo aren’t playing today

    Get well soon Juan.

    by Thnikkaman on Sep 20, 2011 2:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

    ha, smart child !


    In all things, it is better to hope than despair.

    by butterfly on Sep 20, 2011 2:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Indeed.

    I have been meaning to go back and watch the first 6 innings of that game to see if we got caught on camera.

    Get well soon Juan.

    by Thnikkaman on Sep 20, 2011 1:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

    I'll be the one wearing a theoretical bag over my head

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    by WalkInRight on Sep 20, 2011 3:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Good God!

    Chase Headley leads the Padres with a .407 slg%

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    by TomCat009 on Sep 20, 2011 1:35 PM MDT reply actions  

    PETCO'd

    In one of my MLB 10 the show seasons, Eric Young played basically a full season at 2B, hit .298 and SLG like .308 or something stupid.

    /BUNT BUNT BUNT

    FFFFFFFFFFF.

    /it is a new beginning, right?

    by The Lodo Magic Man on Sep 20, 2011 1:41 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

    I think EY2 would play well in that park easier to have gap power when the gaps are so big

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    by TomCat009 on Sep 20, 2011 1:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

    he wouldn't play well in any park.

    he’s legit terrible. he’d probably hit .150 in SD.

    by ween1980 on Sep 20, 2011 1:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

    If the boy can't hit here, he sure won't be able to hit in that chasm in San Diego.

    This is still the best stat .298 avg/.308 slg

    FFFFFFFFFFF.

    /it is a new beginning, right?

    by The Lodo Magic Man on Sep 20, 2011 1:56 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

    didn't herrera almost do that last year?

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    by TomCat009 on Sep 20, 2011 1:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Headley would be awesome but what would everyone think of trying to get Will Venable?

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    by TomCat009 on Sep 20, 2011 1:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

    I don't think Venable fits the club's needs, personally.

    We don’t need another lefthanded-hitting outfielder.

    Just an average guy with exceptional hair. Nothing more, nothing less.
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    by Bryan Kilpatrick on Sep 20, 2011 1:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Fair but if we could get them both that would give us some crazy OF D

    and his Home/Road says his bat wouldn’t be to bad either

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    by TomCat009 on Sep 20, 2011 1:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Yeah I know, but it's his platoon splits that worry me.

    I love the thought of getting some good Headley, though.

    Just an average guy with exceptional hair. Nothing more, nothing less.
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    by Bryan Kilpatrick on Sep 20, 2011 1:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Heh, Headley and Kouz where was that scouting departments mind at:?

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    by TomCat009 on Sep 20, 2011 1:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

    I just love the idea of our defense with him out there

    I would much rather have Headley or Alex Gordon

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    by TomCat009 on Sep 20, 2011 1:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

    I want Tulo to play tonight. No reason for this thinking. Opinions?

    Prediction---->Well, Tulo got his 30 homers. Well, it looks like my prediction on Cargo took a bad turn. So much for 30 homers and 100 RBI's. DAMN YOU PABLO! Why did you have to hit that ball near the wall?
    Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.

    by Roxman4ever on Sep 20, 2011 2:09 PM MDT reply actions  

    I just woke up from a nap and trying to read this made my head asplode.

    Prediction---->Well, Tulo got his 30 homers. Well, it looks like my prediction on Cargo took a bad turn. So much for 30 homers and 100 RBI's. DAMN YOU PABLO! Why did you have to hit that ball near the wall?
    Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.

    by Roxman4ever on Sep 20, 2011 2:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

    I would like JT to pull his head out of his(enter your own word) and actually try to win a ballgame for some damn reason.

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    by Roxman4ever on Sep 20, 2011 2:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Pump It Up!!!

    get to it crazy legs

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    by TomCat009 on Sep 20, 2011 2:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

    I will say burrito.

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    by hotdoglady on Sep 20, 2011 2:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

    I'll say LineupSortingHat

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    by SDcat09 on Sep 20, 2011 2:30 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

    The Lineup Sorting Hat

    does take into account Jim Tracy’s wishes when he has it on.

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    by Russ Oates on Sep 20, 2011 2:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Damn

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    by SDcat09 on Sep 20, 2011 2:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

    SLYTHERIN'D!

    Showing extreme symptoms of Rocky Mountain Baseball Fever since 1993.
    I'm not happy.

    by WalkInRight on Sep 20, 2011 3:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Jim Tracy Madlibs Entry mine =

    Overly Complicated Decision Engine

    Get well soon Juan.

    by Thnikkaman on Sep 20, 2011 2:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Jim does too.

    Fortune Cookies – they pick the best lineups.

    Is it 2012 yet?

    by DAWNMARIE01 on Sep 20, 2011 2:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

    No Helton or Tulo tonight....also, Fowler hitting 3rd

    Young7, Ellis4, Fowler8, Smith9, Pacheco3, Kouzmanoff5, Rosario2, Gomez6, Chacin1

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    by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 20, 2011 3:05 PM MDT reply actions  

    :-O

    FFFFFFFFFFF.

    /it is a new beginning, right?

    by The Lodo Magic Man on Sep 20, 2011 3:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Darn.

    As for Fowler in 3rd (assuming there aren’t any mistakes there), might as well try anything at this point. If you’re not going to get any of your 3 best hitters back, you’re going to be in desperate straights either way.

    by holly96 on Sep 20, 2011 3:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

    But with CarGo, Tulo, & Helton out, half these guys are going to be in roles they're not going to be in going forward, anyway.

    And I think guys would rather win if it means trying something different with the lineup (I’m not saying this lineup means that, just in general).

    by holly96 on Sep 20, 2011 3:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

    How can it be "trying something different" if it's different every day?

    Trying something different would be to try to stick with a lineup with minimal changes for subs.

    by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 20, 2011 3:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Baseball is about routine. This group is now going on about two weeks

    of consistent play, yet none of them has been in a routine spot in the lineup. Nor is there any sense to when they are playing. If we truly wanted to gauge their abilities, we would at least try to give them a semblance of real baseball rather than Magic Hat lineups every day.

    Does it mean a lot in the win/loss column? No.

    Does it mean a lot to players who have worked their entire lives for this opportunity only to be jerked around by the whims of LIneupSorting Hat? Absolutely.

    by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 20, 2011 3:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

    I guess I just doubt most of them actually feel jerked around.

    And in this lineup, inserting Smith back in is likely going to mean others dropping down. Unless you put Smith in 6th or 7th, which is just going to lead to different complaints.

    by holly96 on Sep 20, 2011 3:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

    That's not the only move.

    Pacheco moved up from yesterday. Dex swapped with Ellis. These have nothing to do with Smith.

    Seriously, look at other teams in similar situations. Watch their lineups. This type of thing does not happen on a day-to-day basis. Might they try a few things? Yes. But they do it thoughtfully. And this is the real problem. There is no thought involved in these moves besides: why not?

    I ask you to explain the thought process behind the progression of the last five days of lineup. I don’t think there is one. This troubles me.

    by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 20, 2011 3:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

    I'm positive there's a thought process.

    We just don’t know what it is.

    Contrary to popular belief Tracy really isn’t throwing darts at a board to put together the lineup. He’s not trying to lose and he’s not trying to put together a lineup he doesn’t think will be successful. I don’t mind criticizing his reasoning (whether we know what it is or not), but I don’t like criticizing his motives.

    And how many other teams have this many rookies/backups all starting at the same time?

    by holly96 on Sep 20, 2011 3:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Sadly, I’m not positive there’s a thought process here.

    And I have most of a season’s worth of evidence in support of my theory.

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    by Muzia on Sep 20, 2011 3:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

    We have had 126 different lineups this season.

    Let’s look at a couple of other teams that have no real superstars:

    Royals – 81
    Astros – 114

    Strangely enough, the entire NL West seems to dominate baseball in different batting orders this year:

    Padres – 132
    Giants – 130
    Dodgers – 132
    Diamondbacks – 113

    Anyone think of a legitimate reason for this division-specific split?

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    by Muzia on Sep 20, 2011 3:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

    I can't think of anything division-specific, no.

    But in general, is there some correlation to number of different players used? Without actually checking, I would guess that maybe the Royals haven’t had as many injuries or demotions/callups, etc., as other teams. We know that both the Giants and Rockies have had a lot of injuries.

    Also, does the different lineups include the pitchers slot? If so, I wonder how different it would be if you excluded that spot.

    by holly96 on Sep 20, 2011 3:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

    I was going to say almost the same thing.

    The more injuries you have, the more different lineups I would expect to see.

    by everever on Sep 20, 2011 3:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

    These exclude the pitchers' spot

    NL West just seems to be generally higher than the rest, and I can’t really think of a reason why that should be the case.

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    by Muzia on Sep 20, 2011 3:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

    I have no idea.

    Is that the case just this season, or previous seasons as well?

    Is the division maybe generally more competitive (we don’t always have a team like the Astros or the Pirates that everyone can beat up on, and usually nobody running away with the division) so managers are more likely to try more things in order to get an edge? That’s all I can think of.

    by holly96 on Sep 20, 2011 3:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

    It's at least a two year trend

    Everyone in the division except for Arizona has extremely high numbers of batting orders.

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    by Muzia on Sep 20, 2011 3:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Hmm.

    I would say it’s function of the particular managers, but LA has had two different managers in that stretch, right?

    by holly96 on Sep 20, 2011 3:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Yeah, same with Arizona.

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    by Muzia on Sep 20, 2011 4:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

    The hat is a joke.

    But it is a joke because the reasoning is not clear at all. I really think it’s: “Well, that didn’t work. What if we try this?”

    That’s the only thing that seems to make sense. I maintain that it is a bad way to go.

    We’re also not the only ones rolling out duds. Heck. Even the Giants, who are in contention, rolled out a pretty weak lineup on Saturday. Other teams like the Pirates have been doing this for weeks as well. This is what happened at the end of the season for the losers.

    by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 20, 2011 3:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Yeah, but most teams don't have their 3 best hitters sitting on the bench.

    Maybe 1 or 2, but all 3 is going to decimate pretty much any team. The Giants at least still have Pablo Sandoval available to them.

    And yeah, I get that the hat is a joke. I just don’t like the idea that Tracy is essentially a one-cell organism in a baseball uniform putting together a lineup. I bet if anyone sat down with him and went over the lineup top to bottom, he’d have reasons (maybe not in detail for every spot, and maybe not that others would agree with, but he’d have them). It’s just that nobody does that, so we never know them.

    by holly96 on Sep 20, 2011 3:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Yes.

    But if he has his reasons, why do they change every day?

    That’s what I don’t get.

    by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 20, 2011 3:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

    And really, I'm not meaning to defend Tracy.

    I wouldn’t be upset if he got fired. I just don’t think any lineup he puts out with this bunch is going to please everyone.

    by holly96 on Sep 20, 2011 3:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

    I understand that.

    I just want some thoughtfulness behind what we’re doing. If they led off with Kouz every night, I’d at least feel as if there were a plan. As wrong as it might be, at least it’s a plan.

    There is no plan.

    by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 20, 2011 3:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

    And just think

    That lineup doesn’t even have Ty Wigginton in it.

    I'm pretty disgusted right now!

    by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 20, 2011 3:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Even Tracy is pretty disgusted with his play.

    "Surgeons have determined that doing the wave will, yes, will cause tears to the suprapinatus muscle and the infraspinatus muscle from the throwing of an individual's arms rapidly into the air. In addition, any children doing the wave will be sold to the circus. Do NOT do the wave in the ballpark. Doing the wave is safe at pro football games and Miley Cyrus concerts.
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    by RdRnnr on Sep 20, 2011 3:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Im going to find this stupid magic hat

    And burn the Sonofabitch to dust

    FFFFFFFFFFF.

    /it is a new beginning, right?

    by The Lodo Magic Man on Sep 20, 2011 3:24 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

    It's a magic hat

    You can’t destroy it by ordinary means. Pretty sure you need to be gathering a party and embarking on a quest.

    by everever on Sep 20, 2011 3:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

    It's a definite possibility.

    I hope you have a couple of expendable friends. This could be wrought with peril.

    by everever on Sep 20, 2011 3:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Put them in a red shirt

    keeps you safer.

    "Surgeons have determined that doing the wave will, yes, will cause tears to the suprapinatus muscle and the infraspinatus muscle from the throwing of an individual's arms rapidly into the air. In addition, any children doing the wave will be sold to the circus. Do NOT do the wave in the ballpark. Doing the wave is safe at pro football games and Miley Cyrus concerts.
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    by RdRnnr on Sep 20, 2011 3:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

    I'm sure CDI starts tomorrow, anyway.

    It’s a day game after a night game.

    Other than that, there’s no reason not to start Rosario at this point, in my opinion.

    by holly96 on Sep 20, 2011 3:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

    watch him not

    They need to be starting as many players from 2008 as possible on Wednesday, just to give Cookie the proper sendoff.

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    by Andrew Martin on Sep 20, 2011 3:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

    I would seriously be shocked if CDI doesn't start.

    One thing Tracy has always been pretty consistent about is not starting the same catcher in a day game after a night game.

    by holly96 on Sep 20, 2011 3:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

    .

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    by Muzia on Sep 20, 2011 3:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

    this is a joke, right?

    Hell, let’s bat Chacin 5th

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    by Andrew Martin on Sep 20, 2011 3:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

    mebbe they'll squeeze out two hits tonight?

    /If wishes were horses…

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    by WalkInRight on Sep 20, 2011 3:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

    FOWLER! POWER HITTER

    Prediction---->Well, Tulo got his 30 homers. Well, it looks like my prediction on Cargo took a bad turn. So much for 30 homers and 100 RBI's. DAMN YOU PABLO! Why did you have to hit that ball near the wall?
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    by Roxman4ever on Sep 20, 2011 4:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

    ...

    How I feel about the Rockies lineup:

    Showing extreme symptoms of Rocky Mountain Baseball Fever since 1993.
    I'm not happy.

    by WalkInRight on Sep 20, 2011 4:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

    (I see no o/t thread) O/T: Peyton Manning is really going all in to try to make it back ASAP, I hope he doesn't wreck his body before he is 50

    Peyton did have vertebrae fusion surgery in his neck. What was recently found out was that the vertebrae were fused with a piece of hip bone from a cadaver

    Ewwwwwww

    Zombie Manning

    FFFFFFFFFFF.

    /it is a new beginning, right?

    by The Lodo Magic Man on Sep 20, 2011 3:17 PM MDT reply actions  

    I suppose it's better to have a QB

    who’s only one part cadaver – as opposed to what the Colts have when Manning doesn’t play.

    by Northsider1964 on Sep 20, 2011 3:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

    He's saying that Kerry Collins is basically dead.

    Much like Kevin Millwood.

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    by Muzia on Sep 20, 2011 3:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

    You mean mostly dead.

    There’s a big difference between basically dead and mostly dead.

    Is it 2012 yet?

    by DAWNMARIE01 on Sep 20, 2011 3:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

    That's pretty standard, probably.

    When I had spinal fusion, they removed one of my hanging ribs in case they needed to use it, but I don’t think they did. I don’t think they do that much anymore though, so it makes sense to use bone from other sources.

    by holly96 on Sep 20, 2011 3:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

    He's got the smile of a clean-up hitter!

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    by RdRnnr on Sep 20, 2011 3:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

    All the smile of a clean-up hitter

    with none of the hitting!

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    by hotdoglady on Sep 20, 2011 3:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

    It's championship-caliber!

    *without the championships!!

    "Surgeons have determined that doing the wave will, yes, will cause tears to the suprapinatus muscle and the infraspinatus muscle from the throwing of an individual's arms rapidly into the air. In addition, any children doing the wave will be sold to the circus. Do NOT do the wave in the ballpark. Doing the wave is safe at pro football games and Miley Cyrus concerts.
    -scoreboard announcement at Ranger Ballpark in Arlington via Baseball Nation.

    by RdRnnr on Sep 20, 2011 3:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

    GOTTA HAVE THAT SECOND BASEMAN IN THE 2 HOLE

    FFFFFFFFFFF.

    /it is a new beginning, right?

    by The Lodo Magic Man on Sep 20, 2011 3:27 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

    That's why we've been losing.

    Ellis hasn’t been in the 2 hole much.

    This actually might be the plan.

    by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 20, 2011 3:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

    bahahahaha this is awesome

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    by SDcat09 on Sep 20, 2011 4:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

    From a Fangraphs chat today. Lulz

    Comment From Ted
    Do you often judge prospects based on whether they chart with sunglasses on?
    5:25

    Mike Newman: If I had milk to shoot out of my nose, it would have been on this question. Understand that scouts make assessments based on perception and body language all the time. It goes to makeup which is a big part of scouting. Plus makeup allows a scout to envision fully developed tools. Poor makeup raises questions as to whether a prospect will ever fully develop. Matzek’s overall makeup leaves MANY more questions than answers.

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    by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 20, 2011 3:30 PM MDT reply actions  

    Bullsh*t answer to an excellent question about a very bizarre and haphazard article.

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    by Muzia on Sep 20, 2011 3:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

    I think it's a somewhat valid observation for a scout to make

    but it is very similar to the Ian Stewart line of discussion that went on yesterday. Like Stanwood was saying, it’s pretty arrogant for someone to presume they know what is going on inside someone else’s head (at least, I think he was saying something to that effect). Then again, scouts need to get information wherever they can.

    by RoxnSox09 on Sep 20, 2011 4:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

    You can make assumptions about a player based on body language, sure.

    I am pretty confident that Delta Cleary, Jr. is an indifferent ballplayer by the way he casually strides to the batter’s box and striking out before casually striding back to the dugout.

    But wearing sunglasses while charting? There’s a line between collecting data to make assumptions and just making assumptions.

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    by Muzia on Sep 20, 2011 4:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

    On topic off topic

    I’ve said before that I witnessed Wily Mo Pena hit 3 HR in a low-A game in Cedar Rapids, Iowa. Two years later, I watched a lightning fast leadoff hitting CF for Cedar Rapids named Quan Cosby…the same Quan Cosby the Broncos just signed as a wide receiver.

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    by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 20, 2011 3:43 PM MDT reply actions  

    Ooh, does that mean we don't have to suffer through another Esmil Rogers start?

    It would be nice if Hammel could end the season on a strong note. It’s not been a great year for him.

    by everever on Sep 20, 2011 3:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

    I think so.

    Renck had speculated earlier today that Hammel might take his spot. So I’m assuming that’s what this means.

    by holly96 on Sep 20, 2011 3:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Also from Renck:
    Nicasio getting neck brace off today. Tulo available to pinch hit

    by holly96 on Sep 20, 2011 3:51 PM MDT reply actions  

    So...

    Nicasio is available as a pinch-runner?

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    by RdRnnr on Sep 20, 2011 3:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

    them or does it really matter?

    Maybin – 8
    Bartlett – 6
    Hundley – 2
    Blanks – 3
    Hudson -4
    Hermida – 9
    Cunningham – 7
    Parrino – 5
    Latos – 1

    Prediction---->Well, Tulo got his 30 homers. Well, it looks like my prediction on Cargo took a bad turn. So much for 30 homers and 100 RBI's. DAMN YOU PABLO! Why did you have to hit that ball near the wall?
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    by Roxman4ever on Sep 20, 2011 4:06 PM MDT reply actions  

    would anyone want Maybin on this team?

    Prediction---->Well, Tulo got his 30 homers. Well, it looks like my prediction on Cargo took a bad turn. So much for 30 homers and 100 RBI's. DAMN YOU PABLO! Why did you have to hit that ball near the wall?
    Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.

    by Roxman4ever on Sep 20, 2011 4:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

    kinda without a place

    he’s basically dexter fowler, and we already have one of those

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    be happy, because 2012 is coming.

    by papality on Sep 20, 2011 4:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

    he’s basically dexter fowler + UZR love

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    by Muzia on Sep 20, 2011 4:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Maybin-LF Dex-CF Cargo-RF

    I wouldn’t complain

    Prediction---->Well, Tulo got his 30 homers. Well, it looks like my prediction on Cargo took a bad turn. So much for 30 homers and 100 RBI's. DAMN YOU PABLO! Why did you have to hit that ball near the wall?
    Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.

    by Roxman4ever on Sep 20, 2011 4:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

    if i'm going to trade with SD i

    would rather go after headley, he would prove much more useful to us

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    by papality on Sep 20, 2011 4:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Yea, I thought about Headley after I typed that out

    Prediction---->Well, Tulo got his 30 homers. Well, it looks like my prediction on Cargo took a bad turn. So much for 30 homers and 100 RBI's. DAMN YOU PABLO! Why did you have to hit that ball near the wall?
    Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.

    by Roxman4ever on Sep 20, 2011 4:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

    the only guy off the Padres I want

    is Ryan Klesko

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    by Resolution on Sep 20, 2011 4:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

    I'd take Heath Bell...

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    by Muzia on Sep 20, 2011 4:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

    I'd take Mat Latos

    yeah he’s kind of a tool, but hellagood pitcher

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    by SDcat09 on Sep 20, 2011 4:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Yeah, but then we'd have to bump Esmil Rogers out of the rotation

    Pass.

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    by Muzia on Sep 20, 2011 4:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

    that had better be full of sarchasm!

    Prediction---->Well, Tulo got his 30 homers. Well, it looks like my prediction on Cargo took a bad turn. So much for 30 homers and 100 RBI's. DAMN YOU PABLO! Why did you have to hit that ball near the wall?
    Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.

    by Roxman4ever on Sep 20, 2011 4:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

    And this is bad how?

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    by SDcat09 on Sep 20, 2011 4:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

    would you like a hand out of the chasm?

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    by papality on Sep 20, 2011 4:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Raffy is a tool also

    Prediction---->Well, Tulo got his 30 homers. Well, it looks like my prediction on Cargo took a bad turn. So much for 30 homers and 100 RBI's. DAMN YOU PABLO! Why did you have to hit that ball near the wall?
    Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.

    by Roxman4ever on Sep 20, 2011 4:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

    No Raffy has a tool. He is not a tool

    "I think I speak for everyone in here when I say: It''s playoffs or bust"- Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger
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    by SDcat09 on Sep 20, 2011 4:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

    I once used a betancourt when I had a flat tire.

    Some days, I feel like I’ve accidentally entered the Church of Tulowitzki on Baseball Easter.
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    by Muzia on Sep 20, 2011 4:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

    ...i really don't see how a betancourt would be very helpful in that situation....

    the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox

    be happy, because 2012 is coming.

    by papality on Sep 20, 2011 4:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

    He used it as the handle to operate the jack

    Prediction---->Well, Tulo got his 30 homers. Well, it looks like my prediction on Cargo took a bad turn. So much for 30 homers and 100 RBI's. DAMN YOU PABLO! Why did you have to hit that ball near the wall?
    Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.

    by Roxman4ever on Sep 20, 2011 4:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

    I didn’t say it was helpful in fixing the flat, I just said I used one…

    Some days, I feel like I’ve accidentally entered the Church of Tulowitzki on Baseball Easter.
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    by Muzia on Sep 20, 2011 4:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

    He is a pretty good pitcher considering how much crap we give him for taking his sweet time to throw the ball

    But, he has been pitching quicker and I say that as WHEN HE ACTUALLY GETS TO PITCH!

    Prediction---->Well, Tulo got his 30 homers. Well, it looks like my prediction on Cargo took a bad turn. So much for 30 homers and 100 RBI's. DAMN YOU PABLO! Why did you have to hit that ball near the wall?
    Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.

    by Roxman4ever on Sep 20, 2011 4:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

    I totally just remembered that I had a dream last night

    that involved some gigantic game where people had to tag bases (not round the bases, but different people were assigned to touch each base) and one of them was Rafa Nadal.

    by holly96 on Sep 20, 2011 4:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

    oh, we're just pillaging their roster?

    gimme that rizzo guy

    the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox

    be happy, because 2012 is coming.

    by papality on Sep 20, 2011 4:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

    where would he play?

    Prediction---->Well, Tulo got his 30 homers. Well, it looks like my prediction on Cargo took a bad turn. So much for 30 homers and 100 RBI's. DAMN YOU PABLO! Why did you have to hit that ball near the wall?
    Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.

    by Roxman4ever on Sep 20, 2011 4:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

    1B

    part time next year, then full time in 2013 forward

    the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox

    be happy, because 2012 is coming.

    by papality on Sep 20, 2011 4:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Latos is a huge tool

    "I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

    by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 20, 2011 4:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

    But is he a

    massive tool like Carson Daly?

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    by Russ Oates on Sep 20, 2011 4:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Quite

    "I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

    by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 20, 2011 4:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Kind of a tool?

    From what I’ve heard (from very reliable sources), he’s about the biggest jackass on the planet.

    Do. Not. Want.

    Jason Giambi for player-manager in 2012!
    How the world will end in 2012: George of the Roses builds a Machine that Pommels everyone with La Violencia during Whiteouts.

    by free7694 on Sep 20, 2011 5:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Ryan

    Klesko

    "These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
    --Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker

    by Resolution on Sep 20, 2011 4:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

    keep making people up, resolution,

    see what happens.

    the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox

    be happy, because 2012 is coming.

    by papality on Sep 20, 2011 4:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

    haha

    poor Klesko – he’s always the name I forget on sporcle quizzes…

    "These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
    --Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker

    by Resolution on Sep 20, 2011 4:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Jason Hammel will start for the Rockies on Saturday in Houston.

    Prediction---->Well, Tulo got his 30 homers. Well, it looks like my prediction on Cargo took a bad turn. So much for 30 homers and 100 RBI's. DAMN YOU PABLO! Why did you have to hit that ball near the wall?
    Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.

    by Roxman4ever on Sep 20, 2011 4:29 PM MDT reply actions  

    Per Renck, Hammel is starting on Saturday.

    by holly96 on Sep 20, 2011 5:48 PM EDT reply actions

    the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox

    be happy, because 2012 is coming.

    by papality on Sep 20, 2011 4:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

    I just saw it on Alanna's facebook.

    Prediction---->Well, Tulo got his 30 homers. Well, it looks like my prediction on Cargo took a bad turn. So much for 30 homers and 100 RBI's. DAMN YOU PABLO! Why did you have to hit that ball near the wall?
    Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.

    by Roxman4ever on Sep 20, 2011 4:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

    It's like no one reads...

    "I think I speak for everyone in here when I say: It''s playoffs or bust"- Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger
    BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy

    by SDcat09 on Sep 20, 2011 4:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

    hard to navigate

    the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox

    be happy, because 2012 is coming.

    by papality on Sep 20, 2011 4:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

    I must've missed that. I read that area also.

    And I didn’t Z right past it either.

    Prediction---->Well, Tulo got his 30 homers. Well, it looks like my prediction on Cargo took a bad turn. So much for 30 homers and 100 RBI's. DAMN YOU PABLO! Why did you have to hit that ball near the wall?
    Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.

    by Roxman4ever on Sep 20, 2011 4:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

    oh, so you just hate holly.

    gotcha.

    the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox

    be happy, because 2012 is coming.

    by papality on Sep 20, 2011 4:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Oh no. I could never hate Holly or anyone on here.

    Prediction---->Well, Tulo got his 30 homers. Well, it looks like my prediction on Cargo took a bad turn. So much for 30 homers and 100 RBI's. DAMN YOU PABLO! Why did you have to hit that ball near the wall?
    Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.

    by Roxman4ever on Sep 20, 2011 4:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

    I dunno. Didn't you say you might push her and then run away?

    "I think I speak for everyone in here when I say: It''s playoffs or bust"- Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger
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    by SDcat09 on Sep 20, 2011 5:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

    i remember that.

    the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox

    be happy, because 2012 is coming.

    by papality on Sep 20, 2011 5:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

    (before anyone gets all bent out of shape, I'm joking)

    "I think I speak for everyone in here when I say: It''s playoffs or bust"- Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger
    BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy

    by SDcat09 on Sep 20, 2011 5:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

    this could've gotten out of hand

    Prediction---->Well, Tulo got his 30 homers. Well, it looks like my prediction on Cargo took a bad turn. So much for 30 homers and 100 RBI's. DAMN YOU PABLO! Why did you have to hit that ball near the wall?
    Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.

    by Roxman4ever on Sep 20, 2011 5:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

    find it then. If I said that, then she probably would've banned me.

    Hell, we’ve even e-mailed a couple of times

    Prediction---->Well, Tulo got his 30 homers. Well, it looks like my prediction on Cargo took a bad turn. So much for 30 homers and 100 RBI's. DAMN YOU PABLO! Why did you have to hit that ball near the wall?
    Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.

    by Roxman4ever on Sep 20, 2011 5:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

    I was kidding.

    Because it goes back to the whole Holly pushing Matt Cain thing…

    "I think I speak for everyone in here when I say: It''s playoffs or bust"- Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger
    BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy

    by SDcat09 on Sep 20, 2011 5:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

    i hate people who are slow in hallways.

    the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox

    be happy, because 2012 is coming.

    by papality on Sep 20, 2011 5:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

    LOL.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5atPYaxX0lM&NR=1

    Prediction---->Well, Tulo got his 30 homers. Well, it looks like my prediction on Cargo took a bad turn. So much for 30 homers and 100 RBI's. DAMN YOU PABLO! Why did you have to hit that ball near the wall?
    Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.

    by Roxman4ever on Sep 20, 2011 5:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

    I love that story

    "I think I speak for everyone in here when I say: It''s playoffs or bust"- Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger
    BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy

    by SDcat09 on Sep 20, 2011 5:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

    or on escalators

    the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox

    be happy, because 2012 is coming.

    by papality on Sep 20, 2011 5:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

    oh hell, I would push Matt Cain also

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8_zWBQXZj4

    Prediction---->Well, Tulo got his 30 homers. Well, it looks like my prediction on Cargo took a bad turn. So much for 30 homers and 100 RBI's. DAMN YOU PABLO! Why did you have to hit that ball near the wall?
    Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.

    by Roxman4ever on Sep 20, 2011 5:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

    push him towards signing with us once his arb years end

    the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox

    be happy, because 2012 is coming.

    by papality on Sep 20, 2011 5:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Um no. Your trying to make me look bad.

    Prediction---->Well, Tulo got his 30 homers. Well, it looks like my prediction on Cargo took a bad turn. So much for 30 homers and 100 RBI's. DAMN YOU PABLO! Why did you have to hit that ball near the wall?
    Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.

    by Roxman4ever on Sep 20, 2011 5:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Right. That's my goal.

    "I think I speak for everyone in here when I say: It''s playoffs or bust"- Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger
    BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy

    by SDcat09 on Sep 20, 2011 5:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

    what did I ever do to you? LOL

    Prediction---->Well, Tulo got his 30 homers. Well, it looks like my prediction on Cargo took a bad turn. So much for 30 homers and 100 RBI's. DAMN YOU PABLO! Why did you have to hit that ball near the wall?
    Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.

    by Roxman4ever on Sep 20, 2011 5:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

    see above

    "I think I speak for everyone in here when I say: It''s playoffs or bust"- Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger
    BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy

    by SDcat09 on Sep 20, 2011 5:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Do you honestly think I have a reason to make you look bad?

    "I think I speak for everyone in here when I say: It''s playoffs or bust"- Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger
    BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy

    by SDcat09 on Sep 20, 2011 5:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

    um I dont know. For me being dumb

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6GuEswXOXo&NR=1

    Prediction---->Well, Tulo got his 30 homers. Well, it looks like my prediction on Cargo took a bad turn. So much for 30 homers and 100 RBI's. DAMN YOU PABLO! Why did you have to hit that ball near the wall?
    Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.

    by Roxman4ever on Sep 20, 2011 5:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Yes, because I'm just that mean

    "I think I speak for everyone in here when I say: It''s playoffs or bust"- Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger
    BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy

    by SDcat09 on Sep 20, 2011 5:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

    I don't think you are

    Prediction---->Well, Tulo got his 30 homers. Well, it looks like my prediction on Cargo took a bad turn. So much for 30 homers and 100 RBI's. DAMN YOU PABLO! Why did you have to hit that ball near the wall?
    Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.

    by Roxman4ever on Sep 20, 2011 5:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

    clearly you've not been paying attention

    the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox

    be happy, because 2012 is coming.

    by papality on Sep 20, 2011 5:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

    /snort

    "I think I speak for everyone in here when I say: It''s playoffs or bust"- Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger
    BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy

    by SDcat09 on Sep 20, 2011 5:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Cat has never really been mean to me.

    I’ve never really given a reason for her to be mean to me. I might say some stupid things every now and then but nothing for someone to be mean to me. If I have, its never been said.

    Prediction---->Well, Tulo got his 30 homers. Well, it looks like my prediction on Cargo took a bad turn. So much for 30 homers and 100 RBI's. DAMN YOU PABLO! Why did you have to hit that ball near the wall?
    Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.

    by Roxman4ever on Sep 20, 2011 5:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

    okay this is all getting out of hand.

    Papality is joking. I am joking. We are all joking
    We’re just a bunch of jokers

    "I think I speak for everyone in here when I say: It''s playoffs or bust"- Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger
    BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy

    by SDcat09 on Sep 20, 2011 5:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Oh I know you are.

    Prediction---->Well, Tulo got his 30 homers. Well, it looks like my prediction on Cargo took a bad turn. So much for 30 homers and 100 RBI's. DAMN YOU PABLO! Why did you have to hit that ball near the wall?
    Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.

    by Roxman4ever on Sep 20, 2011 5:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

    It's like no one...

    "I think I speak for everyone in here when I say: It''s playoffs or bust"- Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger
    BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy

    by SDcat09 on Sep 20, 2011 5:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

    It's like the train is coming,

    your car is stuck on the track. You get out. You start pushing the car from behind. It seems like there’s plenty of time. You save your car, but the train just runs right over you anyway.

    by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 20, 2011 5:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Sort of like 2011 Rockies

    "I think I speak for everyone in here when I say: It''s playoffs or bust"- Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger
    BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy

    by SDcat09 on Sep 20, 2011 5:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

    The moral to this story

    is to just get out of the car and run like hell.

    by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 20, 2011 5:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

    With my luck I'd trip over the train tracks

    /2011’d

    "I think I speak for everyone in here when I say: It''s playoffs or bust"- Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger
    BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy

    by SDcat09 on Sep 20, 2011 6:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

    hard to navigate?


    In all things, it is better to hope than despair.

    by butterfly on Sep 20, 2011 6:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

    It's like I never saw them...

    "I think I speak for everyone in here when I say: It''s playoffs or bust"- Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger
    BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy

    by SDcat09 on Sep 20, 2011 6:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

    My car never gets stuck on the tracks in the first place...

    I z right past them with my fast computer.

    "Surgeons have determined that doing the wave will, yes, will cause tears to the suprapinatus muscle and the infraspinatus muscle from the throwing of an individual's arms rapidly into the air. In addition, any children doing the wave will be sold to the circus. Do NOT do the wave in the ballpark. Doing the wave is safe at pro football games and Miley Cyrus concerts.
    -scoreboard announcement at Ranger Ballpark in Arlington via Baseball Nation.

    by RdRnnr on Sep 20, 2011 6:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

    this is Cat towards me

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX7wtNOkuHo&feature=related

    Prediction---->Well, Tulo got his 30 homers. Well, it looks like my prediction on Cargo took a bad turn. So much for 30 homers and 100 RBI's. DAMN YOU PABLO! Why did you have to hit that ball near the wall?
    Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.

    by Roxman4ever on Sep 20, 2011 5:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

    I'm such a bully

    "I think I speak for everyone in here when I say: It''s playoffs or bust"- Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger
    BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy

    by SDcat09 on Sep 20, 2011 5:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

    SHOCKERRRRRRRRRRRRr

    "I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

    by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 20, 2011 5:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

    I'm not sure, but there seems to be a touch of sarcasm......

    "I think I speak for everyone in here when I say: It''s playoffs or bust"- Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger
    BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy

    by SDcat09 on Sep 20, 2011 5:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Mr. Helton would like a word.

    Prediction---->Well, Tulo got his 30 homers. Well, it looks like my prediction on Cargo took a bad turn. So much for 30 homers and 100 RBI's. DAMN YOU PABLO! Why did you have to hit that ball near the wall?
    Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.

    by Roxman4ever on Sep 20, 2011 5:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

    I have seen Mr. Helton

    and Mr Gomez is no Mr. Helton

    "I think I speak for everyone in here when I say: It''s playoffs or bust"- Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger
    BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy

    by SDcat09 on Sep 20, 2011 5:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

    He’s not even white!

    Some days, I feel like I’ve accidentally entered the Church of Tulowitzki on Baseball Easter.
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    by Muzia on Sep 20, 2011 5:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

    is this racist? LOL Im kidding

    Prediction---->Well, Tulo got his 30 homers. Well, it looks like my prediction on Cargo took a bad turn. So much for 30 homers and 100 RBI's. DAMN YOU PABLO! Why did you have to hit that ball near the wall?
    Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.

    by Roxman4ever on Sep 20, 2011 5:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

    He’s not even white North American!

    the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox

    be happy, because 2012 is coming.

    by papality on Sep 20, 2011 5:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

    this is true

    Prediction---->Well, Tulo got his 30 homers. Well, it looks like my prediction on Cargo took a bad turn. So much for 30 homers and 100 RBI's. DAMN YOU PABLO! Why did you have to hit that ball near the wall?
    Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.

    by Roxman4ever on Sep 20, 2011 5:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

    should be Tulo...But he is availible to PH

    Prediction---->Well, Tulo got his 30 homers. Well, it looks like my prediction on Cargo took a bad turn. So much for 30 homers and 100 RBI's. DAMN YOU PABLO! Why did you have to hit that ball near the wall?
    Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.

    by Roxman4ever on Sep 20, 2011 5:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Renck tweets re Tracy
    Again, in my latest my #Rockies’ story, Tracy won’t get an extension, but will have final call on coaching staff: http://bit.ly/nEU825

    "I think I speak for everyone in here when I say: It''s playoffs or bust"- Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger
    BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy

    by SDcat09 on Sep 20, 2011 6:10 PM MDT reply actions  

    you put the modifier before the wrong verb

    the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox

    be happy, because 2012 is coming.

    by papality on Sep 20, 2011 6:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

    This means that you're pissed off.
    “I don’t concern myself with that, simply put. I don’t have any problem with that,” Tracy told the Post today. “Those are decisions that are completely out of my jurisdiction and I don’t concern myself with that one bit. I’ve gone through this before. It’s not something I fret.”

    by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 20, 2011 6:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Wait, I'm pissed off?

    "I think I speak for everyone in here when I say: It''s playoffs or bust"- Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger
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    by SDcat09 on Sep 20, 2011 6:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

    I don't know.

    Did you say the same things that Jim Tracy did.

    by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 20, 2011 6:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

    i think he means tracy seems pissed because of the general tone of his post and the words used

    the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox

    be happy, because 2012 is coming.

    by papality on Sep 20, 2011 6:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

    This is the kind of response you get from your wife when

    she says that she doesn’t care if you go out with the boys after the game, though she really doesn’t want you too.

    by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 20, 2011 6:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Oh I'm an idiot.

    "I think I speak for everyone in here when I say: It''s playoffs or bust"- Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger
    BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy

    by SDcat09 on Sep 20, 2011 6:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Time to start the Jim Tracy Firing Pool!

    Okay, Rowbots, on what day will Jim Tracy be fired next year?

    I’m going with May 15

    Jason Giambi for player-manager in 2012!
    How the world will end in 2012: George of the Roses builds a Machine that Pommels everyone with La Violencia during Whiteouts.

    by free7694 on Sep 20, 2011 6:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

    This should be a fan post...

    for an easier revisit next year.

    I’ll take April 30, please.

    "Surgeons have determined that doing the wave will, yes, will cause tears to the suprapinatus muscle and the infraspinatus muscle from the throwing of an individual's arms rapidly into the air. In addition, any children doing the wave will be sold to the circus. Do NOT do the wave in the ballpark. Doing the wave is safe at pro football games and Miley Cyrus concerts.
    -scoreboard announcement at Ranger Ballpark in Arlington via Baseball Nation.

    by RdRnnr on Sep 20, 2011 6:15 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

    I'd need 75 words

    I only have three: Fire Jim Tracy

    Jason Giambi for player-manager in 2012!
    How the world will end in 2012: George of the Roses builds a Machine that Pommels everyone with La Violencia during Whiteouts.

    by free7694 on Sep 20, 2011 6:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Okay, here it is

    The Jim Tracy Firing Pool

    Jason Giambi for player-manager in 2012!
    How the world will end in 2012: George of the Roses builds a Machine that Pommels everyone with La Violencia during Whiteouts.

    by free7694 on Sep 20, 2011 6:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

    I agree.

    Freed, do you want to do the honors?

    by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 20, 2011 6:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

    so that permanent and uncloseable social networking thing on the side of DP articles

    is pretty freaking annoying and must be destroyed.

    the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox

    be happy, because 2012 is coming.

    by papality on Sep 20, 2011 6:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Is there a game thread?

    "I think I speak for everyone in here when I say: It''s playoffs or bust"- Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger
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    by SDcat09 on Sep 20, 2011 6:27 PM MDT reply actions  

    I was about to ask exactly this

    Because I haven’t gotten to be in one in so long, even if the Rockies suck.

    Die-hard Rockies fan since 1993.
    @Paul_Franz
    My blerg

    by EmersonCR on Sep 20, 2011 6:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

    I do, I do

    Same thing happened last year. I got all busy at the end of the season and the Rockies lost every game for three weeks straight or something.

    Die-hard Rockies fan since 1993.
    @Paul_Franz
    My blerg

    by EmersonCR on Sep 20, 2011 6:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

    So basically this is all your fault.

    "I think I speak for everyone in here when I say: It''s playoffs or bust"- Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger
    BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy

    by SDcat09 on Sep 20, 2011 6:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

    excellent

    i love a good scapegoat

    the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox

    be happy, because 2012 is coming.

    by papality on Sep 20, 2011 6:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

    I was just reiterating based on Emerson's response

    "I think I speak for everyone in here when I say: It''s playoffs or bust"- Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger
    BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy

    by SDcat09 on Sep 20, 2011 6:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

    The powers that be are trying to save us from ourselves.

    We KNOW this game is going to be excruciating, and yet, still we feel the need to watch/listen and discuss with our internet friends.

    by everever on Sep 20, 2011 6:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Putting it this way, makes it almost seem like we're crazy or something.

    It’s not to say we’re not…just sayin

    "I think I speak for everyone in here when I say: It''s playoffs or bust"- Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger
    BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy

    by SDcat09 on Sep 20, 2011 6:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

    It's not coming up through a search either.

    Give it until first out, then I’ll make a game thread.

    by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 20, 2011 6:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Cool

    "I think I speak for everyone in here when I say: It''s playoffs or bust"- Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger
    BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy

    by SDcat09 on Sep 20, 2011 6:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Renck tweets
    Nicasio standing in front of dugout during national anthem, sans the neck brace.. Great sign…

    "I think I speak for everyone in here when I say: It''s playoffs or bust"- Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger
    BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy

    by SDcat09 on Sep 20, 2011 6:33 PM MDT reply actions  

    Oh, hey.

    Something about the Rockies can still make me smile.

    by everever on Sep 20, 2011 6:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Oh the Rockies make me smile

    in that Heath Ledger version of the Joker kind of way.

    "I think I speak for everyone in here when I say: It''s playoffs or bust"- Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger
    BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy

    by SDcat09 on Sep 20, 2011 6:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

    ...

    Jason Giambi for player-manager in 2012!
    How the world will end in 2012: George of the Roses builds a Machine that Pommels everyone with La Violencia during Whiteouts.

    by free7694 on Sep 20, 2011 6:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Thank you. Thank you very much

    "I think I speak for everyone in here when I say: It''s playoffs or bust"- Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger
    BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy

    by SDcat09 on Sep 20, 2011 6:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

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