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Rockies Set Hits Record With 25, Outscore Broncos in 19-3 Win

The squad from Colorado dominated the squad from Texas on both sides of the ball, with Colorado's defense only allowing a late field goal by Texas and their offense showing its versatility, scoring with long bombs and by pounding the ground...okay, so the Rockies outscored the Broncos by 5 today, and they did it in spectacular fashion.

I would go so far as to say that today's game is about as far away from tanking for a better draft position as you can get. Colorado pounded out a team record with 25 hits, only 6 of which went for extra bases. Kevin Kouzmanoff led the charge on that front, smacking two two-run homers in back-to-back innings to make a rout a laugher. Chris Iannetta hit a three-run bomb, while starting pitcher Kevin Millwood also went yard on a two-run shot, his 2nd of the season.

Millwood was also pretty darn good on the mound, as he went 7 innings and allowed only 1 unearned run on 3 hits, striking out 6 to get the win (4-3). I would say that Millwood's strong cameo for Colorado this year should at the least get him strong consideration for the rotation next year if he does remain with the Rockies organization.

But enough about pitching, let's talk more about offense. Both Iannetta (2-5) and Kouzmanoff (3-6) drove in 5 on the game, while Ty Wigginton (4-6) was a HR short of the cycle. That's not even mentioning the first 3 RBIs of Tommy Field's MLB career, as the SS went 4-5. Oh, and rookie Jordan Pacheco also had four hits, while both Seth Smith and Mark Ellis got 3 apiece. I'm sure you get the picture -- there were a lot of hits for Colorado today.

Every Rockie who came to the plate with the exception of mop-up reliever Greg Reynolds got a hit, which forced Houston's pitchers to throw 207 pitches in a 9 inning game. The Rockies scored in every inning but the first and last, as they unleashed the frustrations of a terrible 2011 on the hapless Astros.

While coming in I was hoping for a Rockies loss, it was great to see a powerful display of offense by Colorado.

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really liking pacheco

the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox

be happy, because 2012 is coming.

by papality on Sep 25, 2011 3:52 PM MDT reply actions  

That was entertaining

Now on to SF

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by jrockies on Sep 25, 2011 3:54 PM MDT reply actions  

The Empire Strikes back!

Rockie Nation that is, at least for one afternoon. Sweet.

by DeepPurple on Sep 25, 2011 4:07 PM MDT reply actions  

hahahahahaha

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Sep 25, 2011 4:20 PM MDT reply actions  

I was just about to post this....

I just well.. ….uh

Leia has some nice legs though

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by SDcat09 on Sep 25, 2011 4:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

WHO IS CHEWBACCA AND YOGA?

Pacheco needs to change them clothes

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by Roxman4ever on Sep 25, 2011 4:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

Pacheco is Leia right?

I think he looks kinda hot except for a bit of a muffin top

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by SDcat09 on Sep 25, 2011 4:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

Brothers is also in the same as Pacheco

Thank you Cookie for many years of service. Hope all goes well with you in your continued career.
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by Roxman4ever on Sep 25, 2011 4:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

I can see him now

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by jrockies on Sep 27, 2011 10:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

I like how Giambi is just there

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by jrockies on Sep 25, 2011 4:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

I could use some names put to this picture

Most of them look a lot older than I would expect

We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!

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by Junction Rox on Sep 25, 2011 4:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hang on. I'm going to identify them for you.

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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 25, 2011 4:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

Renck beat me to it

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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 25, 2011 4:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

@TroyRenck
Troy Renck, Rockies
Players are L-R top row White, M Reynolds, Burgess, Miller, Brothers, Pomeranz, Giambi, bottom row: Field as Yoda, Escalona, Pacheco

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 25, 2011 4:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't know who Burgess is....

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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 25, 2011 4:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

That's what I want to know

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by jrockies on Sep 25, 2011 4:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ah

Pat Burgess, bullpen catcher

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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 25, 2011 4:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

That makes sense

haha

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by jrockies on Sep 25, 2011 4:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Also, no Hector Gomez or Wilin Rosario.

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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 25, 2011 4:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

Gomez didn't travel with the team

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by jrockies on Sep 25, 2011 4:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ah. Missed this news.

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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 25, 2011 4:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

heard it on the radio I think

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by jrockies on Sep 25, 2011 4:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

nope, there's Rosario now
"@TroyRenck: Here’s one of Edgmer Escalona and Wilin Rosario

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 25, 2011 4:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

The bra fits Rosario, well,

better than it really should. And let’s just leave it at that.

by Northsider1964 on Sep 25, 2011 4:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

Happened today

Radio guys were mentioning how excited they were to see it

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by jrockies on Sep 25, 2011 4:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

I almost need another picture

showing all of them, some appear to be hiding

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by jrockies on Sep 25, 2011 4:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Renck poster another one

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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 25, 2011 4:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

Here

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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 25, 2011 4:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

that's pomeranz next to giambi still, right?

he looks uh…. really really creepy

the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox

be happy, because 2012 is coming.

by papality on Sep 25, 2011 5:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

Pacheco's pose in this one is a bit, um, unusual too...

We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!

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by Junction Rox on Sep 25, 2011 5:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

When you gotta go you gotta go.

I met a gin-soaked barroom queen in Memphis...

by squalene203 on Sep 25, 2011 6:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

Holy Crap

What day to have too much to do. Didn’t see/hear a minute of it. Will have to watch the rewind tomorrow for sure.

I miss the magic. (h/t papality)

by rockhead on Sep 25, 2011 4:23 PM MDT reply actions  

Our run differential went from -49 to -33

that pretty much guarantees that our pythagorean W/L will be skewed even more than it would have been.

Fun day at the yard nonetheless.

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by BittenAnkles on Sep 25, 2011 4:25 PM MDT reply actions  

Rox win, Giants get swept

Sawxx drop Game 1 of a DH, Patriots lose, Jay the Cuddler booed off the field in Green Bay…

I’ve never bought a Powerball ticket in my life, but today might be the day.

by Northsider1964 on Sep 25, 2011 4:46 PM MDT reply actions  

Sawx down 3-0 after the first inning of Game 2

Go buy that lotto ticket!

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by Muzia on Sep 25, 2011 4:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

Lackey getting bombed

Would make a Game Two loss even sweeter. I cannot even imagine playing with that guy – he’s a complete jackass.

by Northsider1964 on Sep 25, 2011 4:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

heynow

dave cameron said there’s no statistical reason to worry. don’t you start thinking with your heart, muzia!

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be happy, because 2012 is coming.

by papality on Sep 25, 2011 5:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

EY2 has some good ones as well

They have to ride the bus like this:

http://yfrog.com/nu574hj

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by jrockies on Sep 25, 2011 4:52 PM MDT reply actions  

this is funny:

http://www.overthemonster.com/2011/9/25/2448908/jacboy-ellsbury-plays-1-on-10-loses

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by papality on Sep 25, 2011 5:22 PM MDT reply actions  

Well, September has been from Hell, as noted, but we did learn some things

1. Millwood, if no one outbids us, is likely to be a strong contender for a rotation spot. And I, for one, would be fine with that. Dude can rake.
2. Pacheco absolutely HAS to be on this team next year and get 400 AB’s, wherever he plays. Or to be part of a useful trade. I’d be fine with either.
3. EY and Nelson can’t cut it. If someone else thinks they can help them, more power to them. I’d take a bag of balls.
4. I wouldn’t mind keeping Kouz as a back-up/occasional 3B/1B guy. Unfortunately, we’ve also got Wiggy and Pacheco.
5. Rosario is, as advertised, scary talented but with some work to do on both sides of the ball. I’m thinking we might be able to talk another team to consider him a centerpiece of a real, lead-story-on-Sportscenter kind of deal. Because really, Iannetta and a veteran-to-be-named-later will be fine.
6. Pomeranz is gonna be a stud. White needs to have a good Winter.

Anything else? I still think we can trade just about anyone on the ML roster not named Tulo, Cargo, Helton, Chacin, or Pomeranz. But we have some things to work with.

by BostonTransplant on Sep 25, 2011 6:21 PM MDT reply actions  

i think i pretty much agree with all of those points, except trading pacheco

i’d definitely be okay with rosario getting traded in a big-time deal, though

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by papality on Sep 25, 2011 6:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

Pacheco

seems like a perfect low cost CI/utility option. 400 pa’s seems like a lot, but would definitely like him to get playing time.

by webgem14 on Sep 25, 2011 6:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think he's better than that, actually

I’m not sure where the idea comes from — very widespread, to be fair — that he’s a utility-quality guy. It’s true he hasn’t focused on one position so far, but from what I’ve seen his hands and arm are fine, and he could probably settle down at 2B or 3B. And I just LOVE his approach and swing. If we could clone him four times and have a lineup of Tulo, Cargo, Helton, Pacheco, Pacheco, Pacheco, Pacheco, Pacheco, and the pitcher, we’d be one hell of a nasty lineup to get through.

by BostonTransplant on Sep 25, 2011 7:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

LOL.

Let’s stop the Pacheco at 2B ideas.

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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 25, 2011 7:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

if yuni betancourt can play SS,

jordan pacheco can play 2B

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by papality on Sep 25, 2011 7:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

We don't want a huge defensive liability at 2B.

Now, if Pacheco works on 2B all offseason and looks good during ST, then I’m all for giving him the 2B job. I love his bat. I just don’t think he can do it… I’d prefer Ellis.

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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 25, 2011 7:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

He did play 2B in college ...

I know, that and 10 cents buys you a gumball (I liked that expression better when 10 cents got you a cup of coffee), but he knows the position, seems to have good hands, and be a decent athlete. Also, his hitting profile says 2B more than 3B, at least to me.

by BostonTransplant on Sep 25, 2011 7:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

He hasn't played 2B at all since 2007.

He definitely knows the position.

Agreed about his hitting profile. Doesn’t have the pop for 3B. He just fits that utility role.

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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 25, 2011 7:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

Is Pacheco in the same shape as he was in college?

My guess is he’s put on a few pounds, and has spent several years damaing his knees behind the plate.

I could be wrong, but I just don’t buy him as an everyday 2b.

by webgem14 on Sep 25, 2011 7:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

Considering how awful the average 2B around baseball is

I can definitely picture it. My guess is he would take that assignment and run with it.

by BostonTransplant on Sep 25, 2011 7:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

Offensively?

sure. That doesn’t mean he can field the position.

by webgem14 on Sep 25, 2011 7:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

Considering the black holes at 2B and 3B this year

I’ll take literally any bat that can stand there with a glove.

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by Muzia on Sep 25, 2011 9:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yuni is only on a division-winning team

Because the Royals said, “If you want Greinke, you have to take Betancourt too. Package deal.”

by Northsider1964 on Sep 25, 2011 8:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

If Nelson could draw some walks

he’d actually be a good bat. RIght now he’s Barmes without the glove.

Ironically, EY has finally started drawing walks. Not sure there’s much else tho.

by webgem14 on Sep 25, 2011 6:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ewww Kouz.

We don’t want him. Not with Wigginton and Pacheco.

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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 25, 2011 6:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah on second thought ...

I think it’s likely we’ll find someone — anyone — to play 3B every day. And if so, there’s no room for Kouz. Kind of like the way he plays, though. Good off-speed hitter with pop and a great fielder.

by BostonTransplant on Sep 25, 2011 6:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

This

is what we really need at 3b. Someone who is actually good enough to play 3b everyday.

by webgem14 on Sep 25, 2011 7:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

We need a third baseman.

I don’t absolutely hate Stew back though.

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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 25, 2011 7:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

Me neither

even if he’s only 2010 Stew.

by webgem14 on Sep 25, 2011 7:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

Kouz's two homeruns and fancy play today holds no sway with you?

And you’d rather have Wiggy than Kouz at 3b?

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by SDcat09 on Sep 25, 2011 7:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yes, because one game should hold that much weight.

Yes Wiggy should play at 3B over Kouz because Wiggy had FOUR hits today and even got some with RISP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Of course I’m joking. I like Wigginton as a STRICTLY UTILITY player/fill-in at 1B for Helton against some LH starters. I don’t want Kouz and he’s kind of expensive for 2012.

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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 25, 2011 7:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

i like wiggy as a farmer somewhere in like, siberia

far, far away from baseball fields

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by papality on Sep 25, 2011 7:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

Kouz has not been THAT bad.

in his short time here. And I think he’s better defensively at 3b

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by SDcat09 on Sep 25, 2011 7:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

Offensively, I mean.

Defensively, he’s good. Great. Fantastic.

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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 25, 2011 7:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

If my choice is Wiggy or Kouz at 3b, I'll take Kouz

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by SDcat09 on Sep 25, 2011 7:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

It will be neither, though.

Kouz will be gone, Wiggy penciled in as utility. We either find a third baseman by trade or FA, or resign Stewart.

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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 25, 2011 7:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah and Ian is so much better with the bat. I

I love him defensively though

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by SDcat09 on Sep 25, 2011 7:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

He's a good bounceback option.

He’s not going to be 2011-bad.

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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 25, 2011 7:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

I have no faith

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by SDcat09 on Sep 25, 2011 7:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

That's definitely fair.

I wouldn’t be shocked if DOD added a 3B. Headley, please.

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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 25, 2011 7:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

He's a good bounceback option

but not one I’m willing to rely on. Remember all the talk last off season about how he was going to fix his swing? This is not the first time we’ve dealt with this with Stewart (although of course 2011 was worse than any other year).

by holly96 on Sep 25, 2011 7:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

Everything went wrong with Stewart in 2011.

Can’t forget that. He’ll most definitely be better, but DOD may agree with you and cut ties.

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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 25, 2011 7:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yes, everything went wrong.

But a heck of a lot of it was all on him. I just don’t trust him to make adjustments anymore. I agree he’ll definitely be better, but that’s not a very high bar.

by holly96 on Sep 25, 2011 7:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

i agree

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by papality on Sep 25, 2011 7:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

I want another team to gamble big on him, and give the Rockies something worthwhile for him.

Given the lack of 3B options, it might be possible to trade him.

I doubt that Colorado is the place where Stew will show himself to be competent. (Though I wouldn’t mind being wrong – I like the guy.)

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by glaucophane on Sep 25, 2011 7:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't mind having him back.

I’m just not comfortable going into ST with him as the main option.

by holly96 on Sep 25, 2011 7:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

agree

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by SDcat09 on Sep 25, 2011 7:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

If the Rockies resign him

he almost certainly would be the main option in ST.

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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 25, 2011 7:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think it will a matter

of him and other competing for the job. I think he’s not in favor with the organization anymore and I think he’s got a LOT to prove

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by SDcat09 on Sep 25, 2011 7:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

I give him the job in ST.

And tell him he’s starting every day at 3B. And if he’s not producing 2 months later, demote him.

I just think Ian Stewart needs the confidence of others. In AAA, he was starting everyday and had the confidence of the manager that he’d be in the lineup. He hit pretty well in AAA. He needs the organization to back him up.

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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 25, 2011 7:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

Oh I don't think Ian lacks confidence

but let’s not have that conversation. :) We’ll go around and round.

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by SDcat09 on Sep 25, 2011 7:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

Confidence in himself? Definitely.

But he doesn’t have the confidence of the organization/Jim Tracy behind him.

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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 25, 2011 7:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

And at this point,

he’s done nothing to show he deserves that confidence. Not to sound too harsh.

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by SDcat09 on Sep 25, 2011 7:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

You mean in 2011?

In a year where everything went wrong for him? Of course not.

This is a huge decision. I know that a lot of people will disagree with me because of the season Mr. Stewart just had.

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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 25, 2011 7:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

I see him

a lot like I saw CDI last year. Rough start, coupled with incostent playing time and he never recovered. Then when he played well, after coming back, the first rough stretch sent him to the bench for good. Couple that with the injury issues, and you see how this happened.

Unlike CDI, there wasn’t someone playing out of his mind ahead of him, so it has to be even more frustrating.

by webgem14 on Sep 25, 2011 8:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

I agree

players relax when they know they aren’t going to get benched after a bad day.

by webgem14 on Sep 25, 2011 7:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't necessarily disagree with this to some degree.

But I have a really hard time buying the idea that his main problem is the organization not having confidence in him.

by holly96 on Sep 25, 2011 7:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't think that's the MAIN problem.

He’s as flawed a hitter as you’re going to find. No inside corner coverage. Loop swing. No intention of going to the opposite field when the ball is outside.

Those are the main problems.

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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 25, 2011 7:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

meh

the milwaukee brewers won the NL central with yunieski betancourt as their starting SS, with craig counsell as primary back up.

i’m very comfortable with the idea of ian stewart being slotted as our primary 3B going into spring training

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by papality on Sep 25, 2011 7:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

Better is not necessarily synonymous with good.

I don’t know. I like Ian Stewart. I hope he turns it around. But I really do think he’s an ideal change of scenery candidate, if we can get anything of value back for him.

by everever on Sep 25, 2011 7:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

ouch

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by SDcat09 on Sep 25, 2011 7:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

Garbage defensively? no

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by SDcat09 on Sep 25, 2011 7:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

Why are you yelling at me?

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by SDcat09 on Sep 25, 2011 7:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well stop it

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by SDcat09 on Sep 25, 2011 7:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

But you only shouted when I commented :(

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by SDcat09 on Sep 25, 2011 7:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

At 2011.

Not at you.

I just REALLY do not want a defensive third baseman. I can live with a defensive second baseman. But NOT a defensive 3B.

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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 25, 2011 7:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't understand why you would accept a lesser

defensive 3b in the hot corner. You realize we will have EY, or Wiggy, or Seth Smith in LF. I’d rather we just stop it at 3b :)

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by SDcat09 on Sep 25, 2011 7:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

I hope neither of those is the Opening Day LF.

No offense to Seth, but he’s a reserve outfielder on a winning ballclub. We need a corner OF.

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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 25, 2011 7:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

No

he’s at worst a strong side platoon guy. We need a RH complement to him and that’s about it.

by webgem14 on Sep 25, 2011 7:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

If Smith is the LH part of the platoon

he’s going to get the majority of the starts. I wouldn’t really consider that reserve in any way.

by holly96 on Sep 25, 2011 7:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

Let's not forget about Blackmon either.

I think he has a good shot if he’s fully recovered.

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by SDcat09 on Sep 25, 2011 7:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

There's a difference

since he’s LH he’d get most of the AB’s and thus considered the primary guy.

by webgem14 on Sep 25, 2011 7:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well, maybe Blackmon

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by SDcat09 on Sep 25, 2011 7:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

If our choices are a

barely better Stewy, Wiggy, or Kouz…I’ll take Stewy, then Kouz. I’m over Wiggy

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by SDcat09 on Sep 25, 2011 7:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm over Wiggy as a starting player.

But if he fulfills the role he was assigned to at the beginning of 2011, he’s more than fine.

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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 25, 2011 7:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

I just don't trust Jim Tracy

to not play him as more than a utility bench guy

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by SDcat09 on Sep 25, 2011 7:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

As long as our other players actually hit

we won’t have to worry about that.

/looks at you, Ian freakin’ Stewart.

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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 25, 2011 7:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

That's the problem

I don’t think Ian can fix it.

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by SDcat09 on Sep 25, 2011 7:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

I want somebody to be obviously better than this year.

I don’t care if it’s the 3B, 2B, left fielder, center fielder, utility guys. Just be better than this year, and don’t count on Wigginton or Herrera as the backup outfielder, and have a good plan in case Todd’s back has problems.

That, and have five starting pitchers.

And no freak injuries. No cuticles, no fingers slammed in doors, no horrific balls to the pitcher’s head. (And if CarGo could avoid running into outfield walls as much, that would be cool.)

And stop making outs on contact plays going home.

And don’t treat LH relief pitchers like LOOGYs when their splits don’t say they should be a LOOGY.

And world peace.

Thanks.

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by glaucophane on Sep 25, 2011 7:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

You lost me at world peace

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by SDcat09 on Sep 25, 2011 7:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think world peace may be more likely

than Jim Tracy giving up the contact play…

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by Junction Rox on Sep 25, 2011 8:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

world peace walks too much

tracy hates walks

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by papality on Sep 25, 2011 8:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

Metta World Peace never walks

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by SDcat09 on Sep 25, 2011 8:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

Or dance, anymore...

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by Junction Rox on Sep 25, 2011 8:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

voice emodulation

IS A VERY SERIOUS ISSUE, TINA

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by papality on Sep 25, 2011 7:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

I wonder if Tracy is watching the NY/Bos Game

because if he is, he just saw the greatest closer of all time intentionally walk RH Marco Scutaro with the winning run on 3rd and 2 outs to pitch to SH Jarrod Saltalamacchia.

Apparently Girardi needs to learn from Tracy on Matchupz

by MCDallas on Sep 25, 2011 7:13 PM MDT reply actions  

hahahaha.

Scutaro has had a good game. Saltalamacchia sucks. Good call by Girardi, IMO.

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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 25, 2011 7:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

scutaro is a better enough hitter that it's not so ridiculous, i think

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by papality on Sep 25, 2011 7:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

It's a good move

that tracy wouldn’t have made because you’d have a RHP facing a LH batter.

by webgem14 on Sep 25, 2011 7:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

I was actually agreeing with Girardi's decision

Girardi was actually looking at the situation as a whole and not just LH vs. RH, which Tracy is fixated on. It would have been easy for Girardi to just pitch to Scutaro since he has Rivera.

by MCDallas on Sep 25, 2011 7:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

although what is perplexing

and i’m frankly astonished even joe maddon does this, is people like to use LOOGYs against robbie cano… who has no platoon splits.

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by papality on Sep 25, 2011 7:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

mark teixeira wins an epic 12-pitch battle against daniel bard with a walk

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by papality on Sep 25, 2011 7:17 PM MDT reply actions  

Did anybody else see Justin Upton get hit in the head by a Tim Lincecum fastball?

Stewart was situated on the OUTSIDE CORNER of the plate. That…is iffy.

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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 25, 2011 7:21 PM MDT reply actions  

I saw that.

And then left the game and was experiencing nausea.

by everever on Sep 25, 2011 7:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

not even timmeh would hit him in the head on purpose

hit him elsewhere on purpose, sure, but not in the head.

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by papality on Sep 25, 2011 7:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

Maybe

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by Junction Rox on Sep 25, 2011 7:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

if he had good enough command to risk ending upton's career like that and not,

his career BB/9 would be a lot lower

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by papality on Sep 25, 2011 7:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

Come on opponent of the Red Sox! Please beat them

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by SDcat09 on Sep 25, 2011 7:27 PM MDT reply actions  

cant bring yourself to say "go yankees" can you

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by papality on Sep 25, 2011 7:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

nope

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by SDcat09 on Sep 25, 2011 7:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

papelbon strikes out austin romine with the bases loaded to end the 9th

BOS/NYY going to extras

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by papality on Sep 25, 2011 7:38 PM MDT reply actions  

Stupid team I won't speak the name to root for

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by SDcat09 on Sep 25, 2011 7:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

francona brought in papelbon after bard couldn't finish the inning

romine was the only batter he faced in the inning.

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by papality on Sep 25, 2011 8:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

Can it be Pimplebon?

Pleeeeeeeeeeease?

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by Junction Rox on Sep 25, 2011 8:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

When that pitcher

isn’t in danger of swinging the bat there is no rule (written or not) against it.

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by jrockies on Sep 25, 2011 8:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

also i'm pretty sure you're not allowed to use your relievers for more than one inning at a time

girardi and francona are in big-time trouble with the baseball police tonight.

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by papality on Sep 25, 2011 8:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

papelbon gets out of the 10th

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by papality on Sep 25, 2011 8:03 PM MDT reply actions  

SCORE NOW YANKEES!

I really do not want the Red Sox in the playoffs. Teehee

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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 25, 2011 8:08 PM MDT reply actions  

I like that you laugh at the end of that

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by jrockies on Sep 25, 2011 8:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

they deserve it

crawford sold his soul to play there

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by papality on Sep 25, 2011 8:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

I also concur with your statement

COME ON NY

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by jrockies on Sep 25, 2011 8:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

papelsuck coming back for the 11th

jim tracy is texting francona like mad, trying to figure out how he’s left him in there so long

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by papality on Sep 25, 2011 8:12 PM MDT reply actions  

It really hasn't been that long.

Just 1.2 innings so far. Pitch count is alarming though, highest pitch count for Papelbon on the year.

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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 25, 2011 8:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

Oh well I'm wrong.

I see nothing wrong with Papelbon for the 11th and probably 12th.

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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 25, 2011 8:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

2.1, cause he got the last out of the 8th.

(Using a decimal to mean one out bugs me, btw. I know it’s standard, but I think it means there are 10 outs per inning whenever I read it.)

(Also, we’re joking about Tracy more than being really shocked at Papelbon pitching multiple innings.)

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by glaucophane on Sep 25, 2011 8:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

2.1 now.

And of course you meant the 9th* ;)

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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 25, 2011 8:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

LOL @ your last comment.

Of course I knew that. Doesn’t need clarification.

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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 25, 2011 8:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

It seemed so long, it felt like the 8th...

(actually I have no excuse)

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by glaucophane on Sep 25, 2011 8:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

Papelbon has the most punchable face in the leage

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by SDcat09 on Sep 25, 2011 8:13 PM MDT reply actions  

Makes it no less true

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by SDcat09 on Sep 25, 2011 8:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

Actually I include all of the MLB

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by SDcat09 on Sep 25, 2011 8:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't really find Brian Wilson's face all that punchable.

He’s not even the most punchable guy on his team.

A punchable face is about the face itself demanding to be punched, and often has nothing to do with the personality of the the face’s owner.

by holly96 on Sep 25, 2011 8:18 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

david ortiz

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by papality on Sep 25, 2011 8:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

This is hilarious

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by SDcat09 on Sep 25, 2011 8:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

Part of the problem is that you can't really even see his face.

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by SDcat09 on Sep 25, 2011 8:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

that would involve touching that thing

there are not enough antibiotics in the world.

by everever on Sep 25, 2011 8:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

My response was very similar to this.

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by glaucophane on Sep 25, 2011 8:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

surgical gloves

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by SDcat09 on Sep 25, 2011 8:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well yes.

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by SDcat09 on Sep 25, 2011 8:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

Nope, not even close.

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by SDcat09 on Sep 25, 2011 8:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

In n out

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by SDcat09 on Sep 25, 2011 8:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

in n out

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by papality on Sep 25, 2011 8:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

i feel similar concerns...

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by papality on Sep 25, 2011 8:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

I want a cafeteria

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by Junction Rox on Sep 25, 2011 8:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

both

you are young. take advantage of it.

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by Junction Rox on Sep 25, 2011 8:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

that was the plan

after his rookie year

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by papality on Sep 25, 2011 8:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yezzur it was.

That’s why I bring it up now

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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 25, 2011 8:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

CCR made me all hungry and i want to go get food

but i’m worried that if i stray too far from my computer, boston will win…

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by papality on Sep 25, 2011 8:22 PM MDT reply actions  

Same.

And my chem lab report will disappear.

This year sucks.

by prettyinpurple on Sep 25, 2011 8:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yep : )

I like Chem, but doing reports every week sucks. I’ve stayed up til 2 on Tuesdays every ight now…tryin to win this week.

This year sucks.

by prettyinpurple on Sep 25, 2011 8:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

heh, yeah.

The bad news is that my lab slot is literally during lunch, 11-2.
The good news is that I found out I might not have to take Chem 2 next semester.

This year sucks.

by prettyinpurple on Sep 25, 2011 8:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm on my 4th quarter of Chemistry here.

It’s been pretty terrible. Lol eh that’s not too bad. I have Physics lab from 6-8p and Chem lab the next day from 2-4

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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 25, 2011 8:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

ME TOO!

Lol.! I’m waiting for the end of this game to go eat. Grub. Totally pig out. (I’m starving)

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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 25, 2011 8:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ahh to be young again

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by SDcat09 on Sep 25, 2011 8:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

Okay this ad with John Kasinski and Alec Baldwin

is funny. I love John threatening to tell his brothers where he lives.

I did LOL

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by SDcat09 on Sep 25, 2011 8:23 PM MDT reply actions  

frankie mo?!?!

2011 Rockies record when I am in attendance: 6-6

by pacified on Sep 25, 2011 8:28 PM MDT reply actions  

Frankie Mo!

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by SDcat09 on Sep 25, 2011 8:28 PM MDT reply actions  

FrankieMo is in.

Shouldn’t take much longer now.

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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 25, 2011 8:29 PM MDT reply actions  

this makes me happy and sad all at the same time

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by SDcat09 on Sep 25, 2011 8:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

frankie mo in

lol

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by papality on Sep 25, 2011 8:29 PM MDT reply actions  

Frankie Mo is coming in to pitch for Boston.

Now the extra innings feel more familiar.

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by glaucophane on Sep 25, 2011 8:29 PM MDT reply actions  

Was that a slider?

Hm. I dunno how many times I’ve seen FrankieMo throw a slider. Usually fastball/curveball.

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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 25, 2011 8:30 PM MDT reply actions  

the first pitch?

gameday says changeup…

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by papality on Sep 25, 2011 8:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

Might've been changeup

I didn’t see the movement of the pitch, just the velocity (86mph). First comment stands, as I didn’t see Frankie throw a changeup/slider this year as Rockie.

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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 25, 2011 8:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

Gameday is right.

That’s a changeup.

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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 25, 2011 8:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

you wouldn't throw a slider there

of course, you wouldn’t throw a changeup there, either.

of course, frankie can’t exactly hit his spots all that well, either.

hmmm….

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by papality on Sep 25, 2011 8:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

Did you see that 0-1 to Pena?

That’s definitely a slider.

I’m going to stop thinking about it though. Lol

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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 25, 2011 8:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yes.

If Pitch FX is right, those aren’t sliders, but I’m never sure how much I trust that thing.

by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 25, 2011 8:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

Heh, I will laugh so hard if I now watch Frankie Mo uncork the finest pitching outing he has ever delivered

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by SurfaceThought on Sep 25, 2011 8:32 PM MDT reply actions  

montero with a hit!

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by papality on Sep 25, 2011 8:34 PM MDT reply actions  

Who did we get when we traded Frankie anyway?

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by SurfaceThought on Sep 25, 2011 8:35 PM MDT reply actions  

Reliever?

I think. Daniel Turpen? Not sure.

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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 25, 2011 8:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

We got Turpen for mcKenry

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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 25, 2011 8:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

a six-pack of sam adams boston lager

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by papality on Sep 25, 2011 8:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

win

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by SDcat09 on Sep 25, 2011 8:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

a pair of Red Socks?

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by Colsportsfan on Sep 25, 2011 8:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

Nobody.

PTBNL that defaulted to cash

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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 25, 2011 8:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

That's what I said

We got not having Franklin Morales

by MCDallas on Sep 25, 2011 8:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

no, it's what i said

cash was used to buy booze

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by papality on Sep 25, 2011 8:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

And half a dozen size XXL Princess Leia costumes...

We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!

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by Junction Rox on Sep 25, 2011 8:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

you mean giambi doesn't just have those laying around his house?

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by papality on Sep 25, 2011 9:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

I would prefer not to think about this possibility

but if pressed, I would have to say yes….

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by Junction Rox on Sep 25, 2011 9:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

LOL Frankie Mo's pickoff is HILARIOUS.

He doesn’t even look to 1B when he throws!!!

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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 25, 2011 8:36 PM MDT reply actions  

andy pettitte

he is not…

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by papality on Sep 25, 2011 8:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

FRANKIE Y U THROW STRIKES?

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by SurfaceThought on Sep 25, 2011 8:41 PM MDT reply actions  

/2011

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by glaucophane on Sep 25, 2011 8:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

clearly no one bothered to tell the yankees that frankline morales is terrible

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by papality on Sep 25, 2011 8:41 PM MDT reply actions  

They told the New York Yankees,

just not the Scranton/Wiles-Barre Yankees.

by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 25, 2011 8:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

well...

his balks are no longer balks and his balls are now strikes, given he is now wearing a Red Sox uniform

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by Colsportsfan on Sep 25, 2011 8:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

black is white. Good is bad. Frankie Mo realizes his potential

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by SurfaceThought on Sep 25, 2011 8:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

Probably this.

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by Yokel on Sep 25, 2011 9:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

whatever happened to chamberlain anyway?

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by SurfaceThought on Sep 25, 2011 8:44 PM MDT reply actions  

Injured.

Elbow. Tommy John I believe.

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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 25, 2011 8:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

this is correct

but petro’s is funnier.

he actually had the surgery around the same time as DLR, i believe

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by papality on Sep 25, 2011 8:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

they converted him to reliever and back to starter...

and back to reliever again?

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by Colsportsfan on Sep 25, 2011 8:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

He was succeeded by Churchill

due the to pressure of the war and all.

by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 25, 2011 8:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

His appeasement policy was hit hard

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by SurfaceThought on Sep 25, 2011 8:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

nice

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by papality on Sep 25, 2011 8:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

I hear Russ stirring

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by SDcat09 on Sep 25, 2011 8:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

Just a big ole history guy

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by SDcat09 on Sep 25, 2011 8:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

You see, this is where you would expect the Sox to close this out.

They’ve got Aaron Laffey going up against Crawford, Perdroia, and Ortiz.

by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 25, 2011 8:48 PM MDT reply actions  

loogy vs sellout, midget, and steroids?

what could possibly go wrong?

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by papality on Sep 25, 2011 8:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

Dream Eight

1: Chacin, Pom, White, Hammel, Millwood, anyone who can be had off the scrapheaps for cheap (+JDLR, Nicasio).
2: CDI
3: Todd
4: Pacheco
5: Tulo
6: Headley (trade for Rosario, EY2)
7: Blackmon
8: Dex
9: Cargo

Backup C: I really didn’t mind Morales
IF: Wiggy (since he’s signed), Nelson, Field(?)
OF: Smith, Wheeler

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by Yokel on Sep 25, 2011 8:51 PM MDT reply actions  

I would like one good-hitting right-handed corner outfielder.

I would give up any of the LH outfielders except CarGo.

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by glaucophane on Sep 25, 2011 8:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think they need a whole new approach.

Low-power, contact-type guys rather than high-K power guys (See: Stewie, Wiggy).

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by Yokel on Sep 25, 2011 9:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

If we're trading Rosario, we better get a 3B that is one whole hell of a lot better than Chase Headley

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by free7694 on Sep 25, 2011 8:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

Oh, I'm sure DOD would get them to throw in a half-dozen relief pitchers from the Uruk-Hai production line.

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by Yokel on Sep 25, 2011 8:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

That's shooting awful low

I think that team is worse than the one we had this mid-season. And we better get more for Rosario, if we trade him, than Chase Headley. Catchers with monster potential don’t grow on trees.

by BostonTransplant on Sep 25, 2011 8:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

he forgot to mention that we got heath bell in the deal too

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by papality on Sep 25, 2011 8:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I didn't mention expecting a pitcher or three out of that.

And, honestly, “low production” is the point. I tend to think power is overrated.

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by Yokel on Sep 25, 2011 9:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

wait, why was girardi ejected?

gameday tells me nothing constructive

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by papality on Sep 25, 2011 8:56 PM MDT reply actions  

but why he not be safe?

he’s scrappy and gritty and hustles and 2008MVP and LAZER SHOW

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by papality on Sep 25, 2011 8:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

And, Tim McClelland

Can’t be bothered to pay attention on EVERY PLAY, especially in extra innings.

by Northsider1964 on Sep 26, 2011 6:11 AM MDT up reply actions  

Seriously,

I would never have thought, in a million years, that the Yankees would sweep this series. This is just crazy. And with the schedule screwing that this extra inning game on top of a double-header is doing, even if they win I don’t know what to think.

by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 25, 2011 9:00 PM MDT reply actions  

okay guys

let’s get it done. robbie, do your thing and not be affected by frankie being a lefty. frankie, do your thing and suck. ready, BREAK!

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by papality on Sep 25, 2011 9:03 PM MDT reply actions  

hahaha
TrippingOlney Not Buster Olney
I MEAN JESUS THE RED SOX CAN’T EVEN BEAT SCRANTON WILKES-BARRE

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by free7694 on Sep 25, 2011 9:03 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

I don't get the Pacheco love here...

Here is a 25 year-old who has a career .303/.377/.426 slash line in 1,978 career minor league plate appearances. In AAA this year, at the best hitters’ venue in the minors, he hit just .278/.343/.377 in 411 plate appearances. On defense, he is competely inexperienced at 3rd, 2nd, and 1st base. I saw him at the Padres game Monday night, and he missed three easy balls hit right in his zone in the one bad inning that Millwood had. Any decent MLB 3rd baseman gets to them with no trouble. He appeared statuesque to me.

Would I replace Wiggy with Pacheco? Maybe. Would I want him exposed for 400 ABs as someone here suggested? No way.

by GoRoxGo on Sep 25, 2011 9:05 PM MDT reply actions  

He gets on base

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by free7694 on Sep 25, 2011 9:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

Bingo.

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by Yokel on Sep 25, 2011 9:09 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Bango.

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by papality on Sep 25, 2011 9:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

Balderdash...

Did you say the same thing about Herrera in April?

He makes good contact, but has not proven he can get on base with great frequency at the MLB level. His .343 OBP at AAA this year would also argue against that notion.

by GoRoxGo on Sep 25, 2011 9:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

i was there

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by papality on Sep 25, 2011 9:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

Glad I'm not the only one that saw Moneyball this weekend

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by free7694 on Sep 25, 2011 9:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

It was

Thank you for catching it

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by free7694 on Sep 25, 2011 9:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

I concur

2-300 PA’s in a utility role seems ok, but 400 is a lot if we have a good 3b ahead of him.

by webgem14 on Sep 25, 2011 9:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

good contact hitter

walks a fair amount, doesnt K a lot

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by papality on Sep 25, 2011 9:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

He is a super U with power, patience and contact skills

and his catcher’s mitt means using C more often, something we should certainly do if Iannetta and Rosario are our C.

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by TomCat009 on Sep 25, 2011 9:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

Wow, that's a nice story...

totally unsupported by the numbers he put up in AAA this year, or his career minor league numbers for that matter. Power? He has as many homers as Millwood, so no big deal there. Super U??? To be one, you gotta be able to bring a slick glove to multiple positions. I see an iron glove all over the infield with him. It’s nice to dream, though.

by GoRoxGo on Sep 25, 2011 9:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

He gets on base

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by free7694 on Sep 25, 2011 9:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

Herrera gets on base too...

but neither have done it at an acceptable rate at the MLB level for any extended period.

by GoRoxGo on Sep 25, 2011 9:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

Pacheco hasn't had a chance to do it at the MLB level for an exteded period

And he got on base quite a bit more than Herrera did in the minors, so the point remains: He gets on base

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by free7694 on Sep 25, 2011 9:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think Pacheco is a better hitter than Herrera....

but then again, I think Herrera is a minor league quality bat, so that’s not saying a lot. I also think Pacheco’s glove is non-existent.

by GoRoxGo on Sep 25, 2011 9:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

Don't make me say it again

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by free7694 on Sep 25, 2011 9:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

he gets on base

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by papality on Sep 25, 2011 9:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

Whatever....

You guys are gonna be awfully disappointed, I believe.

by GoRoxGo on Sep 25, 2011 9:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

If he doesn't turn into Jeff Baker?

Nah, can’t say I’ll really be disappointed.

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by Muzia on Sep 25, 2011 9:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

good thing our success as a franchise doesn't rest solely on his shoulders, then

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by papality on Sep 25, 2011 9:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

Go see Moneyball

This conversation will make a whole lot more sense once you do

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by free7694 on Sep 25, 2011 9:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

And what's wrong with that?

At least we had some fun speculating about what he might do.

Instead of just dumping on him.

by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 25, 2011 9:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

I mean, crap,

you could dump on Cargo, Tulo, and Helton if you really wanted to do so.

by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 25, 2011 9:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

not worth it

they’re all injured

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by jrockies on Sep 25, 2011 9:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

Has somebody been guaranteeing something from him?

I really don’t think so.

The only person who seems to be 100% certain they know what he can or can’t do at the MLB level is you. And you are ignoring virtually his entire MiL career and his admittedly small MLB sample to reach that conclusion.

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by Junction Rox on Sep 25, 2011 9:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

pacheco's major league career?

you mean the one that has consisted of 17 games?

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by papality on Sep 25, 2011 9:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yes, the one that has consisted of a tiny sample size...

that Rockies fans are getting all excited about for no discernable reason.

by GoRoxGo on Sep 25, 2011 9:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

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by Muzia on Sep 25, 2011 9:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

we're excited based on his minor league slash line

you know, the one that’s pretty good?

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by papality on Sep 25, 2011 9:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

.278 at AAA Co Springs is not pretty good...

It’s downright ugly. His .377 SLG and .343 OBP are underwhelming too.

You guys must be yanking this old man’s chain.

by GoRoxGo on Sep 25, 2011 9:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

Again, he had a bad year

The rest of his Minor league career suggests a much better bat.

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by Muzia on Sep 25, 2011 9:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'd guess you'd be excited about that guy from Cleveland....

in the Ubaldo trade too, using that logic. Pacheco’s 25 and has hit barely over .300 at AA and below, so McBride could and should be given a chance to win a bench role too, I suppose.

I just love how Rox fans simply fall in love with whatever “flavor of the month” player the FO sends out there.

by GoRoxGo on Sep 25, 2011 9:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

is there anything that makes you happy?

like, at all?

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by papality on Sep 25, 2011 9:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

...

the scouting report on Pacheco has always been that he has an MLB ready bat without a defensive position. Everything we’ve seen in ST and in September suggests that is likely true, though nothing is guaranteed.

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by Muzia on Sep 25, 2011 9:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

Matt McBride doesn't get on base

Pacheco does

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by free7694 on Sep 25, 2011 9:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

You're misrepresenting everything that people have said.

This is speculation about what you might be able to do, but no one hints he is at all an important piece of the franchise.

The point is that there is fun in imagining what someone might be able to do based on their performance. This is more fun than taking a big dump on a guy that’s ours.

It isn;t falling in love. It’s just speculation.

by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 25, 2011 9:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

I made several comments like this now.

They’ve all been completely ignored. This is telling me something.

by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 25, 2011 9:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

silly petro

everyone knows you can’t speculate, you must make hardline assertions right now about everyone and everything

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by papality on Sep 25, 2011 9:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

So you guys just aren't being serious, then...

Just a lot of fun conjecture. I get it now. If this is all semi-facetious, I understand. If you are being serious, I would be sorry to know that.

by GoRoxGo on Sep 25, 2011 9:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

We're all just fans and amrchair GMs around here.

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by Muzia on Sep 25, 2011 9:41 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

you would be sorry that we think a guy on our team who has demonstrated the tools for success in the past might be able to be successful in the future?

seriously? you really see a problem with that?

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by papality on Sep 25, 2011 9:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

I would be sorry to know fans are seriously...

pinning their hopes on a guy who has never played more than a few games at any infield position becoming our infield utility guy. He isn’t prepared nor qualified for that role, DEFENSIVELY. Can he hit a little bit. Probably. But you don’t want to give that person the job without showing he can play defense. If you were serious that this should be considered, I would indeed be sorry to learn that, for obvious reasons.

by GoRoxGo on Sep 25, 2011 10:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

Can he get on base? Can he get on base?

I’ll deal with the defense.

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by Muzia on Sep 25, 2011 10:06 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

bingo

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by papality on Sep 26, 2011 5:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

And I think people are willing

to give him the time to show he can play defense. You seem to assert that he’s a finished product in that area and there’s no hope for him whatsoever.

by holly96 on Sep 25, 2011 10:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

You're right.

We should cut him now. He’s just taking up roster space.

by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 25, 2011 10:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

A utility guy can be one of two things:

1. A hitter capable of playing multiple positions or

2. A position player capable of hitting

Pacheco is the first. I’m not counting on him being in the game all the time, or starting 6 days a week at different positions but if a double switch is necessary having him wouldn’t kill the team.

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by jrockies on Sep 25, 2011 10:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

So I assume you want Giambi gone?

Wiggy? Hell, Smith for that matter.

Anybody who doesn’t have a great glove should probably be gone…

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by Junction Rox on Sep 25, 2011 11:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

there are going to be much more important things for the franchise's future

than whether or not jordan pacheco is an elite defensive utility player

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by papality on Sep 26, 2011 5:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

Nothing here is very serious.

We’re a bunch of fans watching a children’s game played by men.

There is a line between speculation and expectation. Holly had a good post below about this. Most of the people here know their baseball very well. Many probably know more than you or I. I’d be safe in the fact that they don’t expect Pacheco to be our starting 3B for ears to come.

by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 25, 2011 9:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

That's Chase Headley's job, anyway.

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by Yokel on Sep 25, 2011 9:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

I thought that was for Pujols?

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by jrockies on Sep 25, 2011 9:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

Oh, good call.

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by Yokel on Sep 25, 2011 9:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

Only in 2012

then he moves to 1B to make room for Headley. Headley will play LF next year…

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by Junction Rox on Sep 25, 2011 9:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

Headly in 2012?

Nolan will be ready by then

/book it

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by jrockies on Sep 25, 2011 9:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

2B

his defense is just getting THAT good…. ;=)

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by Junction Rox on Sep 25, 2011 9:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

good plan

and when Headly’s done in a couple years we will have Story or Herrera ready to take third for him.

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by jrockies on Sep 25, 2011 9:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

Deven Marrero

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by Junction Rox on Sep 25, 2011 9:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yes, we seriously think he might not

be the suckiest suck who ever sucked. We even believe there is some evidence to that effect. We’re just silly like that sometimes…

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by Junction Rox on Sep 25, 2011 9:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

I've got some swampland to sell ya....

I’d sell you ice too, but I’m not an Eskimo.

by GoRoxGo on Sep 25, 2011 9:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

interesting you reply to this and not the comment i posted just above

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by papality on Sep 25, 2011 9:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

It was a down year........

Look at his minor league career slash line: .303 / .377 / .426

SLG isn’t fantastic, but that’s not what Pacheco is known for. That BA and OBP is awesome.

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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 25, 2011 9:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

I hope he turns into Jeff Baker 2.0

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by Muzia on Sep 25, 2011 9:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

He's been exclusively

a catcher since 2007. I would give him a little break on the fielding for now

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by jrockies on Sep 25, 2011 9:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

Exactly my point...

that you just made for me. Pacheco is UNQUALIFIED to get major defensive innings at anyplace but catcher at the MLB level. He would be credible at these infield spots if, say, the Rox had him play more than a handful of games there this year in the minors.

by GoRoxGo on Sep 25, 2011 9:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

I will wait to see

what he does in the spring to determine if he’s qualified or not. A strong winter of footwork and ground ball practice can go a very long way for someone. The only thing then would be the speed of the game which he’s already experienced and I think he will be fine.

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by jrockies on Sep 25, 2011 9:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

You can't work and go from worst fielder to best fielder

It’s all natural talent.

ring, ring
Oh, I’d better take this. Nolan Arenado’s calling.

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by Yokel on Sep 25, 2011 9:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

I know.

It was setup for the Arenado gag.

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by Yokel on Sep 25, 2011 9:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

I did too actually

I’m glad I read the comments before I posted

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by jrockies on Sep 25, 2011 9:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

...who went from "butcher" and "unlikely to stick at 3B"

all the way to “Defensive 3B of the Year” in the Cal League. In 12 months.

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by Muzia on Sep 25, 2011 9:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

He's not an MLB quality catcher

If anything, his MiLB defensive stats are probably stronger at 3B than anywhere…

He was a MI in college and his first couple years of minor league ball. He’s adapting to being a catcher, so to say he’s only qualified to C at the major league level doesn’t strengthen your argument.

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by Junction Rox on Sep 25, 2011 9:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'd take a mop handle with a glove this season at 3B

if it could hit at all.

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by Muzia on Sep 25, 2011 9:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

Really?

Glad you aren’t my GM, then.

by GoRoxGo on Sep 25, 2011 9:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well, that's one potential candidate out

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by Junction Rox on Sep 25, 2011 9:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

I've been pursuing the wrong career path!

Scouting at Ace Hardware looked like my ticket to The Show!

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by Muzia on Sep 25, 2011 9:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

Real scouts always work Home Depot

maybe True Value in certain circumstances

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by Junction Rox on Sep 25, 2011 9:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

I figured there was a hardware market inefficiency.

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by Muzia on Sep 25, 2011 9:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thad Levine for GM..

I already wrote that to you as my top pick.

by GoRoxGo on Sep 25, 2011 9:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

think you missed the joke

the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox

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by papality on Sep 25, 2011 9:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I saw that

One name with no explanation doesn’t really answer my questions, though…

I still don’t believe that Dan O’Dowd is somebody you fire if you don’t have some easily defensible candidates in mind to replace him, and it might just be a good idea to have a backup plan in case that one name doesn’t work out. Clearly you disagree.

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by Junction Rox on Sep 25, 2011 9:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

A GM that thinks like Muzia

Just had a major motion picture made about his success…

Jason Giambi for player-manager in 2012!
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by free7694 on Sep 25, 2011 9:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

Only I would work on improving the power play

but #FI#24MGR would be my campaign slogan

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by Muzia on Sep 25, 2011 9:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

No, it's the one with Brad Pitt

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by free7694 on Sep 25, 2011 9:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

<3

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by Muzia on Sep 25, 2011 9:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

Oh yes.

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by Muzia on Sep 25, 2011 9:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm a huge Malick fan.

We’ll have to share our interpretations of it some time. I’d be interested to here your take.

by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 25, 2011 9:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

Same here.

I anticipated that movie for several years, and it was nothing like I imagined. We’ll have to discuss it sometime

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by Muzia on Sep 25, 2011 9:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

I got to see Days of Heaven on the big screen a few years ago.

Second most power theatrical experience I’ve had, behind 2001: A Space Odyssey in 70mm

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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 25, 2011 9:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

True Romance

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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 25, 2011 9:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

tangled?

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by papality on Sep 25, 2011 9:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thelma & Louise

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by Junction Rox on Sep 25, 2011 9:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Oh, Lord...

What movies would you people have come up with if I’d said Jonah Hill?

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by free7694 on Sep 25, 2011 9:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

forgetting sarah marshall

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by papality on Sep 25, 2011 9:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

Get him to the Greek

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by Junction Rox on Sep 25, 2011 9:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think he's a little bit different from Baker.

He’ll probably get on base more, and doesn’t have Baker’s power.

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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 25, 2011 9:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well, I remember Baker had pure power.

Career SLG doesn’t agree with me….

I still think Pacheco ends up better than Baker because of Jordan’s OBP potential.

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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 25, 2011 9:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=pachec002jor

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by papality on Sep 25, 2011 9:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, read that second line right der.

He’s not suited for middle infield. 3rd, 1st, backup catcher? Sure.

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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 25, 2011 9:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

good thing you're the ending authority on this

now we don’t have to worry!

quick, call o’dowd and let hi-
erm. nvm…

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by papality on Sep 25, 2011 9:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

Are you basing it all on the one game you attended?

I think it’s doing him a disservice to think that he can’t at least be adequate. I’m not as sure about 2B, since we haven’t really seen much of him there, but I think he’s been mostly fine at 1B (which he’d only play as a utility guy) and not a total butcher at 3B. He’s also said he’s really going to focus on improving his defense over the offseason.

by holly96 on Sep 25, 2011 9:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

Good for him...

I’d say anything in a job interview to get the job.

He is eager, which doesn’t mean he’s either good or polished for a utility role in the major leagues. Thinking or hoping for it is just a fantasy at this point.

by GoRoxGo on Sep 25, 2011 9:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hoping is fantasy?

Hoping isn’t the same as expecting. I can hope anything I want.

You seem to expect the worst out of him. I hope for the best, and would be fine with anything in the middle.

And I certainly am not going to totally discount the value of an off season of hard work.

by holly96 on Sep 25, 2011 9:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'd like a full SEASON of hard work in a utility role...

at the MINOR league level, before handing him such a job in the majors. They should not fill out the 25 man roster based on hope, and no proven experience fielding, say, infield positions.

by GoRoxGo on Sep 25, 2011 9:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't like utility players in the Minors

not a good position to work on anything except batting, which is why the Rockies are often reluctant to move a player out of a position until it is necessary.

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by jrockies on Sep 25, 2011 9:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

The thing is....

Pacheco isn’t even a proven MINOR league super utility guy as he’s never done it in a season. How can fans seriously be contemplating or hoping he’s our utility guy next year? Honestly, Tommy Field gives me more comfort in such a role. At least he’s a slick fielder and not a liability between the lines.

by GoRoxGo on Sep 25, 2011 9:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

That was the point of my comment

super utility guys are not made for the minors because it really doesn’t help them grow. Let them learn a position completely (catcher for Pacheco) and if you need to move them you can do that as necessary. Todd Helton and Albert Pujols didn’t make their MLB Debuts at first, while Ryan Braun made his at third. In fact Braun is a decent comparison (not on batting he’s much better) with the glove because he was terrible at third when he came up and now he’s mediocre in left (and getting better). The more time they spend at a position the more comfortable they get and the better. I can tell Pacheco has the athletic ability to move around to different positions but he isn’t polished yet, practice and game time will help.

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by jrockies on Sep 25, 2011 9:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

His footwork is just terrible...

as I’ve been keying on his play at 3rd, including the game I saw last week.

It’s easier for a natural shortstop like Field converting to a MLB utility role and being asked to move around the infield than it is a person who has almost exclusively played at catcher. That’s the difference. The Braun analogy really isn’t germaine to this argument since we aren’t looking at Pacheco the same way. Apples and oranges, really.

by GoRoxGo on Sep 25, 2011 10:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

Pacheco isn't naturally a catcher...

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by Muzia on Sep 25, 2011 10:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think you're definition of utlity is different than everyone elses

You’re talking about a guy playing any position. Others are talking abou backup 1b/3b. We’d still need another guy on the bench who could play 2b/ss.

by webgem14 on Sep 25, 2011 10:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

This organization doesn't really do that

See: Mora, EY2, Wiggy,

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by Muzia on Sep 25, 2011 9:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

It's a utility job

not a full time gig. If it turns out he’s bad, your not giving him 600 pa’s, You’re giving him 250 and it’s not a major issue.

by webgem14 on Sep 25, 2011 9:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

And if it turns out he's good, he needs to play.

I could definitely see the organization giving a winter assignment rebuilding his fielding skills.

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by Yokel on Sep 25, 2011 9:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

no guys, we have to give up on him NAO!

don’t you see how ridiculous it is to think pacheco could have any kind of career as a major league baseball player?

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by papality on Sep 25, 2011 9:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

nope...

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by jrockies on Sep 25, 2011 9:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

i thought the use of "nao" would give it away for sure...

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by papality on Sep 25, 2011 9:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

I got yours

i thought everever was serious for a second.

by webgem14 on Sep 25, 2011 9:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm almost never 100% serious.

Also, for the record? I’m having fun watching Jordan Pacheco. He’s had some good ABs. I don’t know what the future brings for him, but baseball is entertainment, and thus far? he’s entertaining me.

by everever on Sep 25, 2011 9:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

Of course

after that mediocre 4 months in AAA, he is clearly done.

by webgem14 on Sep 25, 2011 9:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

forget the rest of his career

he is sans future

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by papality on Sep 25, 2011 9:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

they shouldn't even waste Princess Leia

cinammon rolls on his head. He is not worthy of being hazed.

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by Junction Rox on Sep 25, 2011 9:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

AAAA player

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by jrockies on Sep 25, 2011 9:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

His family has already written his obituary.

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by Muzia on Sep 25, 2011 9:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

no, that's on the gravestone

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by jrockies on Sep 25, 2011 9:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

i heard rox girl was petitioning the president for it to be a national holiday

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by papality on Sep 25, 2011 9:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think Jordan

will work on that during the winter even if the team doesn’t tell him too (which they should) because he knows it will help him the most.

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by jrockies on Sep 25, 2011 9:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

What are your problems with his MiL numbers

prior to 2011?

OPS by season: .772, .728, .871, .848
SLG by season: .399, .360, .492, .442
BA by season: .287, .280, .322, .323
XBH by season: 17, 12, 47, 41
K/BB by season: 42/22, 36/21, 20/26, 44/38, 42/60

He’s never going to be a power guy, but he is a guy who can find the gaps and get on base (the kind of players who get the least help from Colorado Springs, I believe). September has given reason to think that can be true at the MLB level. Of course he’s not guaranteed, but I think it’s a mistake to just look at Colorado Springs and ignore everything else he’s ever done.

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by Junction Rox on Sep 25, 2011 9:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

The kind of player who gets the most help

At Coors. And Petco. And AT&T. And Chavez Ravine.

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by Yokel on Sep 25, 2011 9:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

eggzactly...

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by Junction Rox on Sep 25, 2011 9:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

It's probably a little too much,

but people are excited to see some promise from an unexpected source as opposed to failure from unexpected sources.

We’ll see what kind of spring he has.

by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 25, 2011 9:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

The CSprings stats are really an outlier

and hard to explain. He had put up excellent hitting stats prior to this year, and he’s looked good at the plate in September.

I agree he’s not looking like a great glove at this point, but we could do worse for a utility guy than a RH bat with an excellent approach at the plate and the ability to be at least workable at a couple defensive positions..

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by Junction Rox on Sep 25, 2011 9:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

i put forth a theory the other day

that pacheco didn’t really try to change his approach in the springs, as so many do, and in doing so, he didn’t put up ridiculous stats.

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by papality on Sep 25, 2011 9:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't understand.

If he didn’t change his approach, why did the numbers fall off the table in such a good hitter’s park? He obviously had a good approach before 2011. Why did the numbers decline?

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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 25, 2011 9:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

because of how it's all wacky down there.

he tried to hit like he was at a regular park.

also i’ve heard he put most of his focus into catching and defense rather than hitting

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by papality on Sep 25, 2011 9:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

I choose to ignore Springs numbers

Someone could OPS 4.000 for an entire season and I still wouldn’t care.

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by Muzia on Sep 25, 2011 9:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

He had a good approach in March, too.

And in September.

C Springs really is the outlier. Maybe he didn’t bother swinging to break the record like some guys might at that park.

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by Yokel on Sep 25, 2011 9:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

He means that maybe other batters tailor their approaches to the unique Springs environment

allowing them to put up ridiculous numbers that often won’ translate to MLB. Perhaps Pacheco kept his approach from previous levels, making his AAA numbers look bad but making him better suited to do okay in MLB.

by holly96 on Sep 25, 2011 9:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

Oh, I understand his argument.

I just don’t agree with it.

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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 25, 2011 9:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure either.

But I think it’s at least plausible. His AAA numbers were really weird, and totally out of line with what he did in ST or in September.

by holly96 on Sep 25, 2011 9:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

Pacheco skipped AA almost entirely..

he had a 20 game callup last year and then went to the Arizona Fall League, and raked there. However there’s a big gap in pitching between AA and AAA. Not especially talent-wise, but in the manner pitchers throw. The pitchers at AAA are more inclined to throw offspeed pitches and sliders compared to the fastballs the majority of the lower level pitchers throw. So for Jordan to pretty much jump from Single A to AAA in one season was a big adjustment for him. He saw a lot of breaking balls. Jordan hit .341 in his last 10 games at AAA with an .831 OPS. So he was definitely figuring out the pitching and it shows in his Sept callup to the majors. He’s not the slickest glove on the field, but he’s adequate and like Holly said before I would be interested to see how he does with an offseason and ST of infield drills. Remember he was a SS in college.

by Charlie77 on Sep 26, 2011 2:20 AM MDT up reply actions  

this is what i meant

the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox

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by papality on Sep 25, 2011 9:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

bahahaha

frankie walks robbie

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by papality on Sep 25, 2011 9:07 PM MDT reply actions  

bahahaha

and at last, boston sees the true franklin morales!

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by papality on Sep 25, 2011 9:12 PM MDT reply actions  

Two walks. There's our Frankie.

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by glaucophane on Sep 25, 2011 9:12 PM MDT reply actions  

Nobody told Golson that he should stay on 1st base

so Frankie would be more likely to balk in the winning run.

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by glaucophane on Sep 25, 2011 9:17 PM MDT reply actions  

That's cause nobody ever asks our opinion.

We could tell them all about Frankie Mo, but do they ask? Noooooo.

by everever on Sep 25, 2011 9:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

Wow. Frankie...gets out of it???

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by Paleface Destro on Sep 25, 2011 9:20 PM MDT reply actions  

boston

evil

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by papality on Sep 25, 2011 9:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

This

At least the Pats lost.

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by Paleface Destro on Sep 25, 2011 9:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

Wow...and Yinzers-Colts tied at 20 at the 2-minute warning.

This…is an AWESOME sports day.

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by Paleface Destro on Sep 25, 2011 9:23 PM MDT reply actions  

uh oh

2 on and 1 out in the top of the 14th, jarrod “terrible” saltamacchia up to bat

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by papality on Sep 25, 2011 9:31 PM MDT reply actions  

Jacoby Ellsbury: Not terrible

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by free7694 on Sep 25, 2011 9:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

ellsubry homer

7-4 evil.

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by papality on Sep 25, 2011 9:34 PM MDT reply actions  

I'm glad you mentioned Ellsbury

otherwise your comment would do nothing to tell me who is winning a game between these two teams…

We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!

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by Junction Rox on Sep 25, 2011 9:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

It's really just circles of Hell at this point.

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by Paleface Destro on Sep 25, 2011 9:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

well if they yankees had scored, they would have won

and i would have put up very different comments.

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by papality on Sep 25, 2011 9:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

The interesting thing is that

at this point, the Red Sox are still taking a hit after playing 23 innings today.

by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 25, 2011 9:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

down to our last strike...

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by papality on Sep 25, 2011 9:43 PM MDT reply actions  

boston retains their wild card lead

sad face

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by papality on Sep 25, 2011 9:45 PM MDT reply actions  

unless lee Ks 17 or more tomorrow

kershaw will win the pitching triple crown, and the Cy Young with it.

kemp remains in the hunt for his own triple crown, leading in RBI, tied in HR, and 3rd in average.

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by papality on Sep 25, 2011 9:58 PM MDT reply actions  

That would be insane

for two players to win the triple crown as a hitter and pitcher and their team to finish that far out of first place.

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by jrockies on Sep 25, 2011 10:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

In 1934, Lou Gehrig and Lefty Gomez

were triple crown winners for the New York Yankees. They finished sec on in the AL, seven games back of the Hank Greenberg, Mickey Cochrane (player-manager), Jo-JO White Detroit Tigers, who lost to the Gashouse Gang Cardinals in seven games.

by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 25, 2011 10:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

The great thing is he doesn't

have to make up 9 points if Braun somehow, miraculously, stops hitting the next three days and drops his own average. Kemp would just have to make up that difference.

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by jrockies on Sep 25, 2011 10:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

There's a simple solution for that though.

Braun can just not play, which is likely to happen in at least one game. That solves it.

by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 25, 2011 10:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

but that doesn't help Braun lower his BA so Kemp can pass him

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by jrockies on Sep 25, 2011 10:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think that's what Petro's saying.

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by Yokel on Sep 25, 2011 10:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

doesn't Kennedy have one more win then Kershaw?

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by SurfaceThought on Sep 26, 2011 12:35 AM MDT up reply actions  

they tied with kershaw's win last night

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